There’s No Money, But… (Hour 1)

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Great show.

He will join us after 9.30.

or to talk some more about, yep, he's still dead and he's still not going away, Jeffrey Epstein.

I want him to go away so bad.

You're not the only one.

There's a couple other people who would really like him to go away.

There was another decision by a judge yesterday that.

and we're going to be talking about.

Relates to the Epstein case and the releasing of the files.

So we will talk about that with Jim Santel coming up after 9 35 along and along with a number of other things in our number two after 10 o'clock, Kate Riley is the president and CEO of America's public TV stations.

Yes.

And we're going to be talking about the cuts to the corporation for public

especially I want to talk about the emergency broadcast system and what this is going to mean for communities that depend on public broadcasting to get that kind of information.

I'm looking forward to discussing just breaking some of the myths and rumors.

Everyone has their opinions on why this was cut and I don't want to delve into politics with Ms.

Riley for sure, but I do want to make sure that people understand that

the cuts, the closure of the corporation for public broadcasting.

corporation for public broadcasting.

There it is.

Yes.

That it was, you know, this was a matter of, of it being done just by the whim.

It was, it was, it was called to be done.

It's done.

And now we're going to have to deal with the ramifications and including to see what her viewpoints are on this.

Well, and with so many decisions by the Trump administration coming in right off the bat and just kind of blowing things up.

And then it's like, Oh, well, geez, we fired the guy who's got the passcode for.

everything.

So we should probably hire him back.

It'll be an interesting discussion.

I hope you can stay tuned for that.

Last half hour of the show will lighten it up.

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Okay, it didn't go well yesterday.

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It's the all aboard edition.

Stay tuned for that.

One of the start off with this is from WISN.

FEMA officials will be on the ground today after the flooding.

It's almost two weeks ago now.

And there are still a lot of people who are suffering without water, without heat, without air conditioning, still no power, still waiting for things to get cleaned up.

There are folks now I'm seeing some reports that they can see the mold growing on their walls.

And if you can lend a helping hand, please do so, whether it's lending your laundry to someone, your shower or a couch, something.

If you can do that, please, please reach out.

This is, I actually heard this on a civic media radio, Stuart J. Waddles was talking about this.

It's an important distinction and announcement from David Crowley, the County Executive Milwaukee FEMA is here for assessing not for aid or aid distribution.

They're not going to

be right now at any check.

This is just surveying the damage and making sure they have all the best information.

And one of the ways they can help

You can help get that information.

If you have been affected is by going to 211.

You can actually file a report on what has happened.

They really, really would like you to do that because it gives them a sense of who has been hit.

how bad and then, and I know, let's just take the whole FEMA funding thing out of the equation.

Let's say in a perfect world, we get money.

They know how much needs to be allocated to the state to cover damages that have been in court.

So go to two on one and then put your information in there and you're good to go.

You can call, but it's from what I understand, very busy.

You can do the same thing online.

And personally, I would do it online just so I know I've done it.

There's a paper trail, that kind of

thing.

I did it online.

There you go.

So it's super easy.

We will include a link.

in our show notes if you need some way to do that.

So far, 211 has gotten more than 16,000 damage reports from Milwaukee County.

Officials have done so far their own assessment of about 3,500 homes.

More than half of those have been classified having either major damage or destroyed.

Destroyed.

Yeah.

as you said, FEMA is going to be on the ground just doing assessments right now.

They're not going to be writing out any checks.

That's not what's going to happen.

They're here again to assess the damage, which then they will take back, I assume, to Washington.

There is no timeline as far as any funding goes or getting actual assistance to folks.

I'm seeing a lot of people in the community step up, which makes me so proud.

Yes, absolutely.

Absolutely.

It's and it's something that we have to keep in our minds as well for the future because there will be a future of this.

This is not about if this is about

when

and we will see more storms and more flooding and it's imperative upon all of us to have plans, whether it's a go pack.

Whether it is

making copies of documents.

Yes, not a

bad idea That is something that that is something that when we had dr. Ben Weston and chief case on the show early earlier this week They spoke was making sure you have access to your documents your medications medications have some food You know just the basic things but you can go you can find all the information online on what you should have but it's it's Good to be prepared and in your situation that you had you had no electricity so it makes the cleanup

That much more difficult.

It's

so tough.

Yeah.

My husband and I were in that situation.

This is going back a number of years again.

We only had six inches of water in our basement.

We got off super easy.

But it's a when you don't have power and your basement is dark and it's a mess and you don't know if you're dealing with partial sewage or whatever.

Yeah.

It's just a nightmare.

Uh, yeah, that's, you know, it's funny that all those things you think, you know, I bet a lot of people go downstairs and they're flip flops and look, you got to, you got to have a good pair of, of wellies.

You got to.

get

some good rubber boots.

Yeah, absolutely.

And some gloves and bleach

and bleach

and a good squeezy mop.

And a good squeezy mop.

Squeezy mop is very, very important.

We had just mentioned a lot of folks stepping up in various communities with people who've been hit so hard by this.

And I found this in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, which just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

Natalie Ibert with the byline supplied to the brand with donations.

Little Geese Shop in Wauwatosa.

opens for flood impacted residents.

What they are doing is people are bringing in old toys that their kids don't play with anymore.

the shop, the little goose shop already focused on second hand kids clothing and stuff.

If you're looking for this place, it's right in the village at 7601 Harwood Avenue.

But according to this article, people from all over have been donating things, everything from kids books to diapers, baby clothes, strollers, cribs, packs and plays over the next few days.

The gracious Onir Danielle, Scampini Lynn says families can take what they please.

Whether it's a direct replacement or just something that gives your kids a little joy

if I'm not mistaken Danielle Scampini Lynn has been a guest on Peck right low show She's part of the group motherhood for good with Kate Duffy my gosh how we all connect seriously

But

yeah, that is wonderful and that that in in all of the In all these things we've been talking about this week and there's been all you know the flooding the damage

I mean, as far as I know, I don't know about you, Jane.

I have not heard about one fatality from the flooding.

Not so far, which is wonderful.

But these kinds of things are great.

This is one.

This is good.

It's fantastic.

It really is.

Again, in this article about the little goose shop, which is right in the village in Wauwatosa, not everyone at the shop was taking stuff for themselves.

One woman was there just to help out a friend who had lost everything.

Because again, we put stuff in the basement like.

baby clothes and old toys everything and I mean a lot of folks had finished basements yeah I just I got destroyed

my basement has a little bit of everything it has a bedroom it has a little it's like almost like a little apartment down there but then there's laundry and there's all that stuff on the floor and it's very much like I said you know I'm very lucky that where I live was not hit

by either storms that came through in the past two weeks.

But that doesn't mean we're immune forever.

And I think it's something we have to look at.

The owner of a little goose shop again, Scampini Lynn says there's a tendency to minimize the scope of damage.

She says it's Midwest nice.

People are shy about taking too much stuff.

Of course, she said people have a tendency to say it's so much worse for somebody else.

And she's like, sure, that's true.

But it's also terrible what happened to you.

This makes me so happy.

We're doing what we're doing to bring you some joy.

That's why we're here.

And that's what you always tell people to do, Jane.

Find a little bit of

joy and share.

Just a little bit, if you can.

Yeah.

So again, the Little Goose Shop downtown, Wauwatosa, we will include a link in our show notes if you don't know where to find them.

Where would I do that?

You're going to go to civicmedia.us slash shows.

Look for Matt in there on air.

You can click those episodes.

You can also download those episodes directly from the device and listen to them on your leisure when you want, when, uh, how you want.

And it goes back, you know, quite a few weeks.

It's got all of the episodes.

We got a separate for this shouldn't be a thing.

So you can listen to them all as podcasts, but go to civicmedia.us slash shows.

And there you'll also find other programs as well, including the Maggie Dunn show, Todd Alba.

Earl Ingram's got a great new show called what's going on fabulous podcast where it's sitting down having a long-form conversation with luminaries and and and leaders in the community

power fully

yeah absolutely so yeah go to civic media dot us slash shows for more information download those episodes and take a listen and then

those show notes will have links directly to the things we are talking

about.

I want to share this on a live stream, Jenny texting in.

I volunteered there on Tuesday to help prep for the pop-up.

Lovely people, wonderful community turnout to help people impacted by the flood.

Please go get the goods.

I insist.

Thanks so much, Jenny, really.

That's fantastic.

And if you have ties to the owner of that shop, I did reach out to her hoping she could join us on the show.

If you want to...

Let her know we're trying to track her down.

That would be great.

Come talk to us.

Come talk to us.

On the way, we do have Jim Santel.

He's going to be joining us after the 930 News.

But when we return, we don't have money.

There's no money, Greg.

There's no money for hungry children.

Public broadcasting.

Public broadcasting.

There's no money.

But the federal government, we've got money for this.

All the details on the ways stay close.

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Coming up a little bit later on today, five o'clock hour with Maggie Dawn.

Should be a great discussion.

She's going to talk to Officer Dan Hodges.

He is from the Washington DC Metro Police Department.

Yes.

And he was on duty at the Capitol on January 6th.

and injured in that attack.

They're going to have a candid discussion about what is happening in DC right now.

Should be a very interesting discussion.

Join Maggie this afternoon, five o'clock hour when she talks to Officer Dan Hodges.

Right now, though, we hear so much, but there's no money, Greg.

None.

There's no money.

We have no money for Snap.

We do have no money for Hungry Kids.

No money for Public Broadcasting.

We have no money for Public Broadcasting, but...

Thank heavens.

We've got money.

Here's the headline from the Washington Post.

Ice aims to spend millions on decked out vehicles.

Isn't that nice?

Documents show the agency wants to buy two dozen SUVs along with special gold detailed.

Oh my God.

Custom wraps.

You don't know what that is when you see

Vehicles driving down the road buses have the buses have them radio stations

have them

on radio station vehicles It's got the call letters on the side and all that fancy stuff So yes ice will spend millions on SUVs and these gold detailed vehicle wraps with the words defend the homeland Yeah, oh my god

The agency proposed paying four companies more than 2.4 million dollars for 25 Chevy Tahos and then about a hundred and seventy four thousand dollars to custom wrap a whole bunch of these vehicles.

I selected the companies without an open bidding process.

I

was gonna say who was there an open bid process and who owns those companies.

that are doing the services for this, for this great

nation.

You mean when there might be ties to someone?

They might own

a meme coin or went to a fancy dinner that cost a lot of money.

Yeah, no open bidding process.

Okay.

The document proposed the purchase of 25 Tahos.

The vehicles must be deployed to the streets immediately to provide visible law enforcement presence, support public safety operations and reinforce recruitment efforts.

Oh, yeah.

Okay.

So,

Jen, you're sitting there with your buddies on the stoop, just, you know, kicking it, having fun, talking smackless in the ball game.

I've made a scenario from 1952 and down in the street comes a role in this beautiful Tahoe.

Gold wrapped in all of its ice splendor with gold trimming.

And the first thing you're going to think to yourself is I'm signing up to

I so want to be right in that.

I need to get myself one of those because I love me some gold trim.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Of course.

It just, of course, this is a full proof plan.

A lot of money.

Yeah.

But we have no money.

No money whatsoever.

Except

for this.

Well, and also, you know, Dave on the live stream says it perfectly.

We've got money for ballroom and tax breaks.

So yeah, we do.

We're spending, we are very, very, what is it, fiscally responsible here.

That's not the word I would have looked

for, but sure.

855-752-4842.

Jean from Eau Claire is on the line.

Good morning, Janie.

Thank you for joining us.

Hi, did you see the smoke signals coming from my ears all the way up to the feet of the sky in the heavens?

I'll tell you something.

Rob from the poor and give to you rich buddies, but you know this is such fraud and abuse and ripoffs for the people I hope that they wake up because this is ridiculous and the poor people in Milwaukee and all the different places that have had Bad storms and floods and fires and stuff like this and this you know what?

And you can think of any kind of nasty word you want to put in there, sits there and worries about himself and going after people.

The guy's sick and we're living in psychosis throughout our country until we get that mad man out of there and the gang.

And also, every one of those people are after their name that are aiding in a baton and not doing a God-done thing of oversight.

It's on them.

That's one man.

All those other people that are after their name, there are armies that support this.

this derangement.

You guys have a great day and thank you very much.

Goodbye.

Thank you so much.

Really appreciate it.

You can join us as well at 855-752-4842.

Oh, just one little side note.

DHS Secretary Kristi Noem has announced that they're going to paint the what is what we have of the border wall.

They're going to paint it black.

They're not gonna paint it gold.

No, they're gonna paint a black at the request of President Trump reasoning that the black paint will be hotter

Boy, that sounds like a move for the Christians right there.

Do you know what that you know what that's gonna cost Jane?

Let me guess it's gonna cost

70 bucks half a billion dollars, huh?

And thank goodness.

There's nothing like ladders Nobody's got ladders to get over walls

I don't see our phone lines against that one and then you climb

I don't see I don't see the live stream lighting up the phone lines light up the text lines lighting up with anyone who's defending this come on folks defend this why does this make America great I want to know from you why does this make America great while you're at it defend Elaine Maxwell defend it all I want to hear from you because this is I'm waiting I'm waiting the time is coming Jane America is about to get great

Yeah, any day now

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Great show.

Jim Santel is here.

Good morning, sir.

Thanks for joining

us.

We cannot

say once

again.

There you go.

It is Thursday once again and a few things happening in this place we call the United States of America.

They're not.

Yeah, there is a lot going on.

And I did want to start off with this.

Diversion, Judge Rips, Trump's DOJ's Epstein grand jury file request in blistering takedown.

A judge who presided over the Epstein Grand Jury ruled yesterday not to release the court materials and at the same time pretty effectively blasted the Trump Justice Department.

Judge Richard Berman said the government's 100,000 pages of Epstein materials and files dwarf the 70 odd pages of Epstein Grand Jury materials.

The government is the logical party to

disclose the public the Epstein files.

The grand jury motion appears to be a diversion from the breadth and scope of the files in the government's possession.

That seems not complementary Jim Cento.

It is not and if you're on the receiving end of that kind of an order from my federal district court judge.

You sit down and you consider your future candidly because this is a judge who plainly knows what he's talking about.

And so going back once again, recall that our president a number of weeks ago said, I'm going to give you everything you want.

We'd get those grand jury transcripts and all this is going to be revealed.

Well, he knew maybe he didn't know, but certainly Pam Bondi knew.

Certainly his deputy attorney general Todd Blanche knew that all of these requests.

And by the way, this is the third one that has been denied by a federal district court.

judge, all of them were d precisely the reasons tha judge Berman looking at th nothing here.

We've even t in this very show a number information that transcrip revealed something interesting only one grand jury wit

That's all that's there.

And that's not unusual, by the way.

What happens is agent comes in, provides a summary of all the testimony.

We do not have QAnon showing up.

We do not have Pizza Gate showing up, all these kinds of things.

It's not there.

And so the judges looked at this, said there's no there there number one.

And number two, the thing that is so perfect about this, it is not only a rebuff to the president, but also to the Department of Justice, Jane, as you just said, the judge saying, you want to find out what's in there?

It's right on Pam Bondi's desk, right?

Ask her about this, right?

Go back.

He says, it pales in comparison to the investigation information materials in the hands of the Department of Justice.

That's Pam Bondi.

You want to get this information for whatever prurient reason you've got.

take a look at that, do not continue to divert this into a federal system.

You know, what's worth here is your ounce of civics.

Rule 60 basically says the only basis for turning over grand jury information is some legitimate law enforcement purpose.

It's not because you want to have something on the tabloids, you want to have something to talk about, some prairie interest.

Sure, is America fascinated with a very small F inappropriately by this wild and

And sixth story about all of this tragic story, but it's not a matter for federal law enforcement anymore.

One person is dead.

He killed himself.

The other has been convicted.

We have got victims out there.

It should

be... Now he just froze up a little bit.

At the

top of the list, some of them have committed suicide as well.

Tragedy across the board.

But nothing here that requires further investigation, further involvement.

And Pam Bondi, how dare you, how dare you invoke the federal courts three times now and ask the same thing.

All the judges are saying exactly the same thing.

What are you talking about?

Basically saying, you're incompetent.

You know this.

There is nothing to see here.

Go back and look at your own desk and produce this for the American public if you want.

Judge Berman, other judges have said exactly the same thing.

Well, and that's and that ultimately is what it comes down to for me is when we were talking about this before we went on the air You know, you have the report that apparently there's nothing in there now.

There was something there years ago, but now there's nothing.

It's just it's a Figment of our imagination.

There's no report.

There's no Jeffrey Epstein But people were putting their their their I don't know their cards down on this grand jury grand jury report and

For me, I guess I was like it's me.

I just say hey, what's on the hard drive?

What's on that thumbnail drive that's sitting on your desk print that out put it online and As we've said on this show and Jim you've said before and I've heard other people say if there are individuals on that list who are whether they're beloved figures in Hollywood whether they are politicians Then the letter next to the name or the person they voted for doesn't matter.

They are

implicated in one of the

one of the most horrendous crimes in recent history.

And for me, this is what I will always tout is this is about the justice for the survivors, the victims and their families.

And the longer this gets played out, the less they the less attention that should be on their closure.

I don't care about an influencer who thinks they've got it.

I don't care about any of that stuff I want.

I want a survivor.

I want family to be able to say, all right, we can now move on.

And we got justice.

Yeah.

And I want Elaine Max will go back to prison, like hard time prison.

That's what I want

to write.

Exactly.

All those kinds of things.

Other things should happen here.

And the emphasis once again upon the victims.

I hope, presumably, through the federal system, maybe the state system as well, they're getting what we establish in this nation as victim support services.

And those are the focuses that we should be on here.

Will it be helpful in some ways?

I suppose if they also see some information, sure.

And maybe it does address beyond them, beyond them, the prairie and interest of other people out there.

It certainly will be news in America.

but nothing related to a legitimate investigative purpose supporting them.

And again, it's all tragic.

The longer this goes on, now we've got these reports from Congress saying tomorrow, Jane, you commented about this during the week, tomorrow maybe we're going to get this report.

Okay, as long as this continues to go on, it continues to be a story and to tie all these things up while this is happening as we all know well.

are presidents seeking all kinds of diversions from this, including the horrors of what's going on right now in Washington DC, our nation's capital.

How terrible is it to use this tragic event?

People died, people terribly victimized the rest of their lives, using it for other purposes.

And also just, this is another example of the administration's incompetence, right?

Thank

you.

If they had released some of this months ago, and we'd be done talking about it, yes, still be in the news somewhat, we'd be done talking about it, they just don't know how to operate government.

And that's the other part of this.

Well, and again, they created this Frankenstein.

They made this monster.

They made the Epstein thing.

I'm assuming they assumed it was only going to be Democrats.

It's only going to be Democrats who were on the Epstein list.

They were the only ones who were naughty.

And that's why they made this such a thing.

Everybody was salivating about what's going to come out because it's all going to be.

Yeah.

Well, no, we don't know who's on it.

And I think there's a wide swath of people that Jeffrey Epstein hung around with and cultivated.

Well, and also.

the other thing too, we mentioned it yesterday.

If they do release the report, the Republicans might want to take credit for it.

I don't know, but Congressman Rob Garcia from California said that this release is coming from pressure from the Democrats to do it.

They're the ones pushing this and therefore pushing the Republicans who run Congress.

But it's not about trying to find, it's not about a altruistic,

mission.

This is about getting, this is about the Democrats getting on their cases and keeping on their cases about it because they, we want to see the list.

We want to see the report.

If you're

just joining us on Matt Nair on here, Jim Santel is our guest.

He hosts Amicus, a law review across the network Saturday mornings from 9 until 11.

We're talking about the latest slapdown to the Trump administration over the Jeffrey Epstein file by a judge.

And you had mentioned as well, Jim, that now James Comer, who heads the House Oversight Committee, said that they're going to start releasing some of the actual files

tomorrow.

I just want to remind folks, Fridays are notorious for being what we call news dumps.

So they wait until late in the day before they release this information, hoping that over the weekend, people will forget.

But this also brings up questions.

So they're going to release some files tomorrow.

They could redact everything except the word and and

the.

And that's the other piece of this spot on Jane.

When this is released, we hope, of course, there'll be redactions of the victims.

We hope there'll be some other redactions that maybe, maybe relate to some law enforcement things, but get ready to be disappointed, right?

Once again, for two reasons.

One is just like the grand jury transcript is a big, big nothing out there.

Don't anticipate.

Yes, there may be names of some of the patrons here to put it very diplomatically.

And that will steal some headlines for a while across the board.

But don't anticipate that this is going to reveal, again, all this stuff that Dan Bongino and others have made their career on, that this is the golden chalice here.

This is the one that's going to reveal now all of this background about government history.

It is not.

It's going to be boring.

It's going to be uninterest part with the exception m of those names out th be routine law enforc interviews, maybe some d

It's going to be boring.

And so don't anticipate that somehow we're going to be pouring through all of this and producing some great new finding.

And again, as to your point, Jane, for those redactions, it's only going to lead to what?

Let's all say it together, more allegations of cover up, right?

Oh,

they didn't release everything here.

And for that, it's in that redacted page that you've got the motherload, if you will, of all the information about and you fill in the names of every political person you hate.

And this will unfortunately not be the resolution that everybody wants, but at least maybe it will bring it to some further closure.

And we can move on to things as we've talked about in this show, like, oh, I don't know, the environment and education and other things about the future of our planet.

Yeah, just a little clue when they do release, if they release those files.

Yeah, if there are handwritten names on there, I would take that as a sign that this isn't necessarily legitimate.

Well, and I want to make a prediction too, because when they tried to release a report or a list or something a few months ago and all those conservative influencers were so excited and then so angry about it.

And then it sort of went away for a while.

Whatever report they released now.

I have a feeling they're going to say, well, the names aren't on there because we don't want certain individuals to be harmed by this because that's what they were already saying, that people were on this list.

We don't want them to cause them extra harm, you know, you know, not the victims, don't take care of the victims.

But then also I want to see the outrage from the right on what they believe is going on.

Or will there be nothing because they're already starting to say this, let's just move on.

Let's

just

move on.

There's bigger things to do.

Like, you know,

Rapping our ice vehicles in you rah rah in guilt patriotic gilded gold.

So yeah,

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We were talking before the break.

Jim about the Epstein files.

The Trump administration get another slap yesterday from a judge saying, no, we're not going to release the grand jury files because there's essentially very little in there.

You've got the stuff that has all the details in it.

about releasing that.

We did have a question from a listener come in on the text line.

Kevin from McGowanego.

Why didn't the Biden administration release these files?

And the answer may well be you need to make requests to do so again.

Had in terms of just the timing on this.

We know that when Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide, and yes indeed, he commits suicide, there's no conspiracy there.

When he did that, he was awaiting trial.

And again, as that goes to trial, it is not at all appropriate to release the materials in anticipation of a trial that was not yet happened.

More recently, Maxwell herself was prosecuted.

And now that everything is closed, now you can presumably make that request and get those documents in the public domain.

Don't recall exactly the timing on all this inside the Biden administration itself, but the reality is that you do that after all the prosecutions are completed.

And again, the question is whether or not there is a legitimate law enforcement interest as to grand jury materials.

None here.

If there is a public interest, and this is the other point of this, which is Pam Badi can embrace, whether it's a Biden administration, the Trump administration, Obama, you call it, if there is a public interest in these materials, just satisfying the public that indeed your government is, hold on.

competent and doing its job well, you can release materials to satisfy that interest.

Typically, it's in the case of a violent matter.

There's something having to do with a major uprising, for example, in a city or some sort of a mass murder, those kinds of things.

The public wants to know that government is responding.

And we've got this and we're investigating, we're prosecuting under those circumstances again, even.

While things are still percolating up and out, government can release those as a part of its service to the population.

Whenever the time is right, that can be done.

I did a quick Google search on this, Jim.

And what came up that I found was from 2021 through 2025, the Epstein files were under strict federal court orders.

Federal judge controlled the records

to protect the privacy of the victims, including minors.

Biden could not overrule those protections.

No president can bypass federal judges to release sealed court.

evidence to the public.

That's what I found again, just doing a quick Google search.

Right.

And that's it.

That's basically the content here.

We used to abide by court orders in America.

We don't do that much anymore.

And again, pendency of matters that are in the courtrooms and proceeding to trial, you just don't do it in advance of that.

You don't want, and the question may be, well, why not?

The answer is you don't want to compromise the single most important thing that doesn't exist or anymore, which is the conduct of a fair and decent and equitable trial.

You want to ensure that for the defendant or defendants, for the people of the constituency, for the government generally, and anytime you are sending things out in the public domain,

admittedly into the media for publication, you arguably are tainting the jury pool, compromising the process.

That can all come.

And yes, indeed, journalists legitimately are concerned about getting information and getting it in timely fashion.

The single most important thing that prosecutors do is you want to protect the integrity of that criminal prosecution.

You don't want things out there, even compromising who witnesses are, where they're living, where they're going to be, all those kinds of things.

You wait until the appeal is done and the case is closed, which it now is.

And now, therefore, the requests come in.

Appropriate, I would offer to release it to bring this to conclusion.

Jim Santel is our guest, Jim.

We only have about two minutes left.

Real quickly, you had mentioned before the break, what is happening in DC.

And now Judge Jean Pirro, who used to

be a

host on Fox, says her office will no longer prosecute violations carrying non-permitted rifles or shotguns in public, a felony.

Stunning.

Words fail.

Once again, this is a basic tool for any prosecutor in any city, big and small in between.

You address, you investigate, and yes, you prosecute people who are engaged in what?

Gun crimes.

Why?

Because they're increasing violence in your neighborhood.

Fascinating that that's exactly the president's explanation for why he's doing what he's doing.

Another thing just came across also, just as I was preparing for this morning with talking with you, Gene Pirro is also now recruiting members of the Judge Advocate General Corps to join the DC U.S.

Attorney's Office to prosecute cases there.

Why?

Because they fired all of the legitimate

10-year people.

And so now, apparently next week, 20 new JAG officers.

By the way, big, big fan of JAG officers from the time I was in Iraq.

They're very good, but they're not civilian prosecutors.

And that's the point.

So now we're looking at the Defense Department to fill all these spots.

Why did we get them?

Because we let all these people go because we didn't like what they did.

And now, as Gene Pirro is saying, I need all these people to do the work of the office.

No kidding.

No kidding.

U.S.

that's the reality of wh

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Right now though, delighted to be joined by the president of and CEO of America's public television stations, Kate Riley is here.

Good morning, Kate.

Thank you so much for making time for us.

Good morning.

Thanks for having me.

A lot of discussion about the cuts now to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and what this is going to mean, especially I think what's getting skipped over a little bit is how important this is for rural areas.

and getting information out to our rural areas, what do you see, Kate, as the consequences of this cut?

Well, you're exactly right.

What we have are local stations all over the country that are committed to serving their local communities.

Our local public television stations provide an free over the air signal to 97% of the American population.

And in many rural areas, they may be the only locally controlled broadcast media, and sometimes the only broadcast media available at all, which makes them a critical source.

of local information during emergencies and disasters and also a critical source of community information about what's going on local public affairs.

In addition, of course, to the education resources that our stations provide.

So when you look at the rescission of the funding for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, over 70% of that funding went directly to local stations based in communities.

And what we see is that the stations in rural areas were more reliant on that funding from CPB.

than other stations, which puts them at a very high risk of potentially having to close.

But I will say, as we've been seeing our member stations dealing with this sudden cut in funding, we are seeing every single station around the country looking at cuts in services, cuts in local programming.

This is going to affect every single community, but the rural communities are going to be hardest hit.

And we're talking about job cuts too.

Absolutely.

We've already seen numerous layoffs from stations around the country.

And I think what's important to really think about there is what are the services that those staff were providing to their community that are no longer going to be provided because of those staffing cuts?

And that's education support.

We have numerous stations that have educators on staff who work with their local schools and their communities, families, caregivers, homeschoolers to really provide this

educational content that's been proven to move the needle in education outcomes for kids.

So we really are seen.

a real loss of services.

The other big area that we see cut is local programming and these are you know the local documentaries about the history of places and people but also current affairs programs.

Those are some of the most expensive things that our stations produce and having that federal investment of funds really made it possible.

Without that we've already seen stations

eliminating local programs, and then others flagging, look, we think we're going to have to eliminate this program in the coming month or two.

And really the effects are going to be on a rolling basis.

stations are at different points in their fiscal years because they're all independent entities, locally controlled.

So this isn't a big national operation.

This is sort of a decentralized federation and each station is responsive to their community.

And as a result, we're going to see the impact roll out over time in the coming months.

What are the things that...

A while ago, I put something on my social media platform about the closure of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.

And one of the comments that came back was, well, if they just would have gotten more money and gotten better investors, and what they were doing is they were speaking about the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, as well as public television, whether it's NPR or PBS or local stations, he was talking about it like they were businesses, like they were for-profit businesses.

And that's not what these groups do.

This is about

locally funded free new like as as you I've looked at your website this is about independent news nonpartisan news just trying to get people the information they need this isn't a business that can be I don't know injected with investment money like that you can give money as a donation but it's not like a big corporation that's for profit.

Right.

I think that's a really important point to make.

I think too much in this conversation, there's this idea that NPR and PBS are networks that control all the stations, and that is not how it operates.

The stations are all independent entities locally controlled.

They choose whether to be members of PBS or NPR.

We have some public television and some public radio stations that are not members of NPR or PBS, and they air a different mix of programming.

That's a variety.

All stations air a mix.

of local, regional, and national programming.

Some they create themselves, some they create in partnership, and some they acquire from other sources.

But I think your point is very, very important, which is that.

Our mission is public service.

The Public Broadcasting Act established that mission that we should provide educational content to all Americans for free.

And that is what we are committed to doing.

And that means that we have stations in small rural areas where there is not a commercial incentive to be there.

No one is going to make money by serving those communities.

But that makes this service even more important.

And it's why the federal investment is critical.

If you're just joining us on matinee or on air, Kate Riley is our guest, the president and CEO of America's public television stations.

And we're talking about the decision by the Trump administration to stop funding the corporation for public broadcasting.

One thing I want to throw in here, Kate, that people may not be aware of.

And it's one of those lesser things floating around.

But when.

communities lose reporters on the ground, it actually affects their bond rating when the city wants to go and borrow money because there's no one looking out for the public.

That's an important piece that I just think a lot of people don't think about.

Yeah, and there really is so much value to that local community connection and local coverage and local stories that

our public television stations are able to provide a number of our stations throughout the country, provide a sort of sea span of the states where they're covering their state legislators, both the legislative bodies, but also the regulatory agencies, even the Supreme courts, and especially in areas where people aren't able to travel to attend a legislative committee meeting, these stations are airing these meetings.

that the American people and the citizens of that state can know what's going on and can be informed about what their government's doing, how their government's working for them.

And we've actually talked to a number of members of Congress and state legislators who know that their local public television stations are some of the only media outlets that are actually covering their work in a very detailed way.

We have reporters here in DC covering their congressional delegations from their states on a deeper level than any other media outlet.

Yeah, I'm wondering if they like that.

You know,

let's have

fewer people watching what I'm doing.

I think if I were a politician might be a good thing.

You know, I think that what what when the members that we've talked to, especially with their local stations, they generally feel like they get a fair shake.

They get a chance to put their view into.

put their priorities out there, which is what we want to do is to make sure that we're covering issues from all angles.

One of the things I frequently talk about is that there's actually more than two sides to every issue.

There's a whole range of views and impressions.

And one of the things that public television stations do that is so important in terms of these community connections is really shine a light on what is motivating

different parts of their community to seek solutions in different ways.

As Americans, we generally have a lot of similar goals, to be healthy, to be secure for our families, to have a better future than we had, but we come to how do we achieve those?

on different paths and really trying to foster communication and understanding of how people are viewing different challenges in their life and different solutions.

That's something that we actually need more of in this country and that's what public television and public radio are committed to doing.

And I watched a part of your address to a group.

It was on the website.

And we'll have the website on our show notes.

You spoke about your parents being of different political parties, as were mine.

And I think that was a very important point in my raising, is understanding both sides.

And I also, on the website, see that you recognize the work of both Democrats and Republicans to help foster public television, public broadcasting.

What have you heard from state and

state and federal politicians, elected officials about what's going on and just basically about making a plan forward, whether it's the states then increasing their funding or maybe something that can be done.

But what are you hearing from the elected officials on what's been going on over the past couple of weeks now?

Yeah, so we have continued to have conversations with members of Congress on both sides of the aisle in both political parties.

And what we've heard is that there's a lot of concern about what I think were really unintended consequences of the rescission and their impact on local stations.

And so we do have interest.

from members on both sides to think about how can we mitigate this negative impact on the local stations?

Really the conversation was focused on the national level and criticisms that folks had of PBS and NPR.

And I think what we're able to focus people on right now in which there is interest in finding the path forward, although it's always a challenge to get anything enacted, but we do have interest from folks trying to figure out how do we actually help local stations and make sure that we don't lose.

that local service.

Well, and the other thing that we'll talk about in a little bit, we're just about ready to come into the break here, Kate.

The break here.

But the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, as part of this cut now, is no longer going to administer a program that gave millions to local TV and radio stations to upgrade equipment that is used to send out emergency alerts.

That sounds, I don't know, critical.

Yeah, it's very concerning that the next generation warning system grant program which is a grant at FEMA but has been administered by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting is being ended because the Corporation for Public Broadcasting has to wind down its operation since it has no more funding after October 1st.

So we are very concerned.

These are critical grants that support station infrastructure that transmit emergency alert and warnings throughout our country.

And so we are calling

on FEMA to ensure that that program continues and that they continue to operate and provide those grants to local stations as Congress intended.

Just two weeks ago, Kate, we had massive flooding here in southeastern Wisconsin.

People are still we had people with basement walls collapsed and things like that.

And I think about stuff like this happening in rural areas.

This is why we need this so you can get those alerts and the word can get out to you.

That's this stuff is coming.

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So we'll just pretend that never happened.

Right now, though, we are joined by Kate Riley.

She's the president and CEO of America's public television stations.

We were talking before the break about the recent funding slashing of the corporation for but.

public broadcasting and what that's going to mean.

And right before the break, Kate, we were talking again about these grants that go out to local TV and radio stations to upgrade equipment that they used to send out emergency alerts.

That's really critically important, especially for smaller communities.

It's absolutely true.

You know, the emergency alert system has multiple layers and public television is one of the ways in which emergency alerts are distributed throughout the country.

And it's extremely important that we have those multiple layers so that if the internet is goes down in one area, that broadcast transmission signal can still get the alert to regions that desperately need that information.

We also have our local stations providing

on air local up to the minute news and information on the evacuation routes and other information that can help people stay safe during emergencies.

And we've seen this be particularly effective during hurricanes in Florida, during wildfire situations out west.

where the local public television and public radio stations are really the only local news that Americans are able to access to get that critical information in the moment.

So we are very concerned about the impact on public safety of these cuts, both the cuts to CPB, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, and now the fact that the Next Generation Warning System grant has been...

thrown into uncertainty.

So we know that Congress intended that funding to go to public media stations to support the transmission of these alerts.

And we are working and encouraging FEMA to ensure that that funding does continue to get out.

Well, and unfortunately, these weather events, and we talked about this many, many times, these are only going to continue.

It's not like the need for these alerts is going to lessen.

Unfortunately, I think they're going to just go up.

Well, yes, of course.

And I think one of the things, and you spoke earlier in the previous segment about you talking to FEMA about ensuring this grant money to make sure that there is money to be spent to make sure this system is still available.

Another way, if you're listening right now, is to go to myvote.wi.gov and call all your representatives.

Tell them how important one public broadcasting is to you.

important.

These emergency systems are to our communities and tell them that they need to work together to find a solution because it is inherent upon them to protect us, especially in times of emergency weather events, things of that nature.

But yeah, my vote dot w I dot gov.

Find your representatives information.

Give him a call.

Be respectful and tell them that these are important things in your lives.

Is there anything else that people can

do cake?

Yeah, so I was just going to note, we also operate a grassroots organization called Protect My Public Media at www.protectmypublicmedia.org.

If you're particularly interested in knowing how you can engage by calling your members at the right time, we encourage you to do that through any system that works for you.

But if you want to sign up to get updates at protectmypublicmedia.org, we'll keep you posted on all these critical moments and when your voice can be most heard.

And most influential, but you know, I think the one thing to really remember here is that Americans support public media They support the federal investment, you know 76% of Americans agree that public television provides an excellent value and that includes 65% of people who voted for President Trump So this really is not a partisan issue.

This is a bipartisan issue This is an American issue people need to have this local service in their communities and there is a way to restore

funding for local stations this year in the next funding process that's going to be completed in the next couple months.

And so that's what we're really working with Congress to do.

Well, and I just think about you had mentioned some of the the programming that public broadcasting is able to do because of their formats.

Some of the long form things like the Ken Burns series that they've done on

PBS

television, which were astonishing pieces of artistry and history.

And we would all be lesser without having that in our lives.

Absolutely.

You know, public television is deeply committed to telling America's stories.

And we see that both through the programming of Ken.

this fall, American Revolution is coming out, which I've seen a few clips of, and it's going to be incredible.

But our stations all around the country are engaging in local documentaries and local events to really think and celebrate America 250, the 250th anniversary of our country, and think about both the past, but also our plans and visions and dreams for the future.

And it's so important for local communities to have that voice in their local public television station to really tell those stories and shine a light on that.

And I just wanted to say, as a Marquette grad and someone with lots of family ties to Wisconsin, I have been thinking about all my friends and family in Milwaukee who have been affected by those floods and everybody throughout the state, but it's honored to get to speak with you all in a Wisconsin production.

Where our accents feel

familiar.

We have some cheese curds for you today.

Oh, my favorite.

Glass of milk and we'll write on the comment.

There you go.

Kate Riley is the president and CEO of America's Public Television Stations.

It's been such a pleasure.

Kate, really appreciate your time.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

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The Brewers at the Cubs 1245.

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J. R. Radcliffe is here.

Good morning, J. R. We're just going to pretend the last

couple of games didn't happen at all

I think that's a good idea I think that's probably right the the you know they were there were okay games they didn't play poorly especially in two of the three I would say so it's it's kind of it's the same Brewers it's this it's the same team that you know like Dinkson Dinkson dunks you is unfair to them that like will battle you and give you these crazy at bats and on on you know on occasion

The big hit doesn't come and the Cubs make a lot of plays like they did on Wednesday night or or Jacob Mizorowski struggles for one inning and can't find the strike zone.

And then the Cubs take advantage of that.

And that ends up being kind of a pretty big difference in the game.

These things are obviously going to happen.

I think I think most people know that.

I think most people can kind of understand that it's just a little jarring that there are three and four against the Cubs and like, I don't know, 26 and four against everybody else in the last, you know.

Half like that this stuff just uh, it doesn't quite compute and you know, there's a good chance they face the cubs in the playoffs and a playoff series so Oh man, the the idea of that is probably not particularly appetizing.

This is this is a good team the cubs are a good team and they're gonna battle the Brewers, you know He's fair and square like they have a great line up.

They have a great lineup.

So We'll see how this all

unfolds with the starting rotation.

I'd be a little worried about Mizorowski and what they're going to do here.

We haven't seen him go deep into a game for over a month now, so that's a problem.

And we'll see about the other guys, Brandon Woodruff has been fighting it a little bit.

And Quinn Priester is still pretty good, but I don't know, I do get the sense the starting rotation is maybe not quite as good as it was when it was going really good.

So we'll see how that develops.

So I'm just going to be open right now.

I'm going to do this.

There we go.

We're having a little bit of an echo.

So JR, I'm going to ask you to call the number right now and we're going to get you on the phone line because there is echo and I don't want to have to ruin this wonderful baseball talk with technology problems.

So we're going to have JR call us right back on the call on the on the text on the call line and get that taken care of.

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That is the number that you can call as well that JR is calling right now so we can continue talking about the brewers 855-752-4842.

I do want to talk when JR gets back with us about Mizorowski and Jason Mizorowski and Jacob.

Jacob, yes, him too.

all the hand wringing about that one bad game.

I mean, the kid's

a kid.

Yeah, he's a kid.

It's he's going to play hundreds of games, grant, hopefully in his lifetime.

He's going to have good games.

He's going to have bad games.

And we just have to take the information, go with it and move on.

He's

going to have

some

struggles, right?

And that's, yeah, exactly.

And I think that's what, uh,

If I'm not mistaken, I want to ask JR his thoughts on this.

I believe that Christian Yelich had a very simple statement on it, which was, who cares?

They lost.

There's a lot at stake right now.

We're all watching our apps.

We're all looking at it really quick.

We're looking at it, the information all the time.

We're always checking the standings, seeing how far ahead we are, how many games we've lost.

There's a lot of baseball left to be played in the in the in the in the next month and a half five six weeks We'll win some we'll lose some I'm not gonna because basically off of what JR and Paula said To us is that this is not a luck or a fluke or anything.

This is about good baseball playing

Yeah, and like you said, this is gonna happen.

We're gonna we're gonna lose a few It was great to have that streak going but at some point streaks end

and, and wrap up.

And again, to that poor, poor Mizorowski, uh, just getting so much heat.

Yeah.

This is how you learn.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

He's got to have some failures.

He's going to have some losses.

I believe we have JR on the line right now.

And, uh, I don't know if you heard what we're talking about there, JR, but that mean.

You have made it clear.

Others have made it clear.

This is not a fluke.

This is not lucky.

Ducky Brewers.

This is good playing.

This is good management.

They are going to lose games and Jacob Mizorovsky is not going to be the best pitcher ever in the history of baseball all the time.

We just have we as fans need to get used to that.

Yeah, obviously, I mean, that's that's kind of that's kind of how you have to take it.

What we're talking about.

48 hours of baseball at this point, so it's not something to get too deep on.

But I guess Mizorowski, to look at it a little bit from the other angle, this was the concern with him, was that he would have some trouble commanding, that he would have some blips on the radar when he would just lose the strike zone.

And we saw that in the minors.

And it seems like the Brewers have had really good success with guys like that and made them, honestly, have made them have better control as they've moved up the pipeline.

And even as they get into the major leagues,

improve what you even saw in AAA and they had with Mizorowski like he was throwing strikes for those first few starts when he when he caught everybody's attention.

I just

haven't

seen that lately you know he had that trouble in Cincinnati and he kind of said he wasn't comfortable on the mound you know they're trying to limit his innings so they had him go a couple short starts in

a

row and then they they you know he had this injury that was a real injury but probably something he could have pitched through and they're like you know what let's not let's let's take this opportunity to

Not having pitched so yeah, I don't know if it's a rhythm thing You know he's just out of out of sync a little bit But we haven't seen him like work deep into a game since you know really before the all-star break like it went when he was There was that controversial five starts and into an all-star game like we have not seen that version of him yet Sometimes by design, but I guess that would be that would be my concern that like they can't figure out a way to get him back into that into that comfort zone but but

Yes, I mean, in a bigger picture, though, the Brewers have a lot of options.

They're starting pitching.

Depth is not as strong with Logan Henderson out with an injury as it was.

So they don't have a ton of options to replace them if they need to.

But still, this team has a lot of weapons that it can go to, and it has a very comfortable lead.

It's still four games better than any team in baseball.

Baseball, like you, American League counted.

So even as they as they go into Thursday, even if they lose this game to the Cubs, they will still be three games better than anybody in baseball as they come back home into this series.

So there's a lot to like still about the situation.

And hey, it's not like Mizorowski has hit Bernie Brewer or a bad boy while he's been throwing his pitches.

So I guess I'm not all that concerned about it.

He's actually he's aiming in the right but he's aiming in the right direction for the most part.

Yes.

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if you're just

joining us, we, if you're just joining us, we're talking to journal sentinels, a writer and our sports guru, JR Radcliffe about the brewers here on mat and air on air.

And you know, honestly, I'll, I mean, I, I, you know, me JR, I am not an expert on anything.

I just like baseball a lot.

And I will say that really to, he's got to find his rhythm period because he's very new to baseball.

He, I don't feel like, I think it's.

fair to say he doesn't he hasn't lost his rhythm.

He's still looking for that rhythm.

And and you put in the when I when I reached out to you today, you said things to talk about, should we be panicking?

And I really feel like no, I feel like what you've talked about and what I what I've seen, there's no reason to panic.

It's not ideal.

It makes you go, oh, I don't want to, especially when you lose to the Cubs like that.

It that sucks.

But you know, we're

moving forward and we have a great team.

And I think that we still have a lot more baseball to play as well.

What does the schedule look like for them?

You mentioned in the notes, you said the Cubs have an easy schedule going forward.

What about the Brewers?

What do you what do you see about the people or the teams they have to face over the next few weeks?

Yeah, I mean, it's tougher for the Brewers for sure.

They have they have the Giants coming into town this weekend.

The Giants have underperformed.

They're Willie Adamus will be, you know, is a big part of their team.

He has struggled this year.

especially every month but July.

It was really good in July, but it's been kind of rough ever before and after.

So the Giants are struggling.

The schedule's pretty tough.

The Padres are still on it.

The Phillies are still on it.

Those are two concrete playoff teams in the national league.

They've still got some games against the Reds who are fighting for a playoff spot.

The Blue Jays are one of the best teams in the American League, and they have to go to Toronto at the end of this month.

So it's not a bunch of cream puffs.

The brewery schedule was regarded as one of maybe the five toughest in baseball, but it's fallen out of that realm because they're finishing with the Cubs.

They won't see the Cubs again the rest of the season, so that's a pretty good team off of their schedule then at this point.

It's a middle-of-the-pack schedule.

The Cubs is light, but we just...

Dodgers just lost two of three to the Rockies and the Rockies are terrible.

So like this, you know, looking at strength of schedule in baseball is kind of foolhardy.

It always has been.

It's always random enough that you can't really say, oh, it's a light schedule and expect that to make a huge difference.

It really doesn't make a huge difference.

If the Cubs end up going out strong, it's because they're a really good team to begin with and they were going to beat anybody, not just schedule in front of them.

It does feel like, though, that this was a really long road trip for the Brewers, and then they've had that double header, and now they're playing again this afternoon.

I'm just worried about the fatigue factor.

Yeah, I mean, it's not so much this road trip, which is just two Midwestern cities.

It could be worse.

The five games against the Cubs is unusual.

But it begins a stretch of 19 games in 18 days.

You've heard a lot of people bring that number up because of the double header.

It's the extra game.

18 straight days of baseball is a lot.

And it's not just the brewers.

Every team's got this.

Every team's in this situation, especially at this time of year.

So it requires them to go to their depth at a time when guys are hurt and guys are tired.

So you're going to get uneven performances that you wouldn't get in the postseason.

So this is also something that has to be considered and taken with a grain of salt.

This is why you build up a nine game lead over the Chicago Cubs is so that you can endure a flip on the radar and still be comfortably ahead of everybody else.

You know, let's say they lose Thursday and come out with a five game lead over the Cubs going into the final week of August.

That's enormous.

That's a huge lead.

And it doesn't feel like it because it was just nine games and I get it.

The Cubs have found something and they're on their way back up.

So that's a problem.

But like.

That's a huge, huge lead.

And to think this Brewers team would have that lead is crazy to consider.

So they are still in really nice shape.

That's what you build the big lead for.

You hold on and try to get that first round by.

That first round playoff by is so essential.

And you have to win the division to do it.

You have to finish ahead of one of the other two division winners, whether that be the Phillies or the Dodgers or maybe even the Padres.

You just have to stay ahead of most of those teams and they'll be OK.

I'm just going to say this really quick.

that the fact that we were able to beat the teams we've beaten in such handy fashion throughout the season is giving me hope.

You know, you say that, you know, tough versus not tough.

We have the skills to beat teams.

We've done it this season, and I'm looking forward to the next few weeks.

Follow JR Radcliffe in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

He joins us every other Thursday.

Thanks so much, JR.

We'll see you in a couple.

See you soon.

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