Wonder Wall Drug? (Hour 2)

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Wonder Wall Drug? (Hour 2)

Matenaer on Air · Fri Aug 15, 2025

Jane Matt Nair

And welcome, welcome to Matt Nair on air.

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the amount of rain that falls and what that equates to.

If it were snow, correct, it's pretty mind blowing.

Yes, it really is.

So Britney is going to join us coming up at 9 50 hour number two.

It's Friday.

He is back.

Dan Schaefer will be here.

Civic media's political editor and the creator of the recombobulation area.

He just got back from vacation.

He did indeed.

And we're going to talk a little about that this this morning.

Yeah, at audio Sorbet that comes up after the

10 30 news where we lighten things up, trying to take a breath, get away from the news.

And so for audio survey today, we're going to go with the where did you go on summer vacation?

Where was your getaway?

Did you do a getaway?

And Jane, did I hear you correct?

It's Friday.

It is Friday.

It's what does that

Greg Bach

mean?

Jane Matt Nair

That means Greg buck.

It is free ticket a Friday.

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What's that?

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They're the

Dominic Lee

Milwaukee

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Brewers.

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This afternoon, our broadcast starts at 505 and now we have the details about the free burgers.

Dominic Lee

That's the reason why you showed up, people.

That's why we know you're here because of the big announcement from George Webbs.

Jane Matt Nair

George Webbs, the local diner chain announcing the details for its upcoming free burger giveaway.

It's going to happen August 20th, so that's next Wednesday from 2 to 6 PM.

This is only the third time in franchise history.

Dominic Lee

And it was almost two times this

Jane Matt Nair

year,

Dominic Lee

right?

We were on the precipice of two times of free burgers.

Jane Matt Nair

Fans can visit any one of the 23 George Web locations during that four hour window to get your one free hamburger.

Don't get crazy.

They're also offering vouchers starting today if you would like to get your burger at a later date.

So if you don't want to go on the 20th and deal with all the crazy, for some folks, that's part of the fun.

Dominic Lee

Yeah, that's not fun for me.

Jane, what if I want to commemorate this burger?

I don't want to eat it, but I just want to hold on to it.

Jane Matt Nair

You can do that.

I can.

There is a gentleman who would be crazy enough to do that.

There's a guy who's had a burger since 2018.

He's preserved it.

Oh, I'm not quite sure what that means.

And I'm not quite sure why he would want to do that.

Dominic Lee

No, I don't know.

Jane Matt Nair

But it

Dominic Lee

exists to get it to get the story.

Maybe I guess is it hermetically sealed?

Is it let's hope

Jane Matt Nair

is it underneath?

Is it

Dominic Lee

under glass for presentation and observation only little embalmed burger?

Yes, indeed.

Jane Matt Nair

But the tradition of the George Webb free burgers has only been fulfilled twice before first in 1987 when they handed out almost 170,000 free burgers and again in 2018.

giving away thousands and thousands of free hamburgers.

Keep in mind as well, if you're going to go next Wednesday, don't go and ask them for like chicken tenders and stuff because it's going to be a limited menu for that day.

Really?

Yeah.

Okay.

I wasn't sure.

They're not going to.

Yes, they're going to have thousands of people trying to get a burger and you're going to have the one guy going, can I get breakfast?

Dominic Lee

I think if you want to get breakfast, you should be able to get breakfast.

Make

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it at home that day.

Dominic Lee

Oh, I feel like you're just stepping on my freedoms right now.

trying to do that.

Jane Matt Nair

Free burgers, the George Webb's giveaway happening next Wednesday, two to six p.m.

But again, starting today, you can go into a Webby's and pick up a voucher that you can then turn in to use at a later date.

If you don't feel like waiting in line.

That would be my choice.

Dominic Lee

Yeah, I would definitely do that.

I've not had a George Websberger in a very, very

Jane Matt Nair

long time.

Dominic Lee

Yeah, it's been a long time for me and I'm trying to remember.

We didn't do, I think my mom or dad may have gotten in line and gotten the free burgers at home.

But we didn't, I didn't do it in 2018 because it's just a line of people.

I'm like, no, thank you.

I

Caller from Illinois

gotta say, yeah, I'm from Illinois.

So I've never even heard of this, you know,

burgers for everyone.

It's a thing.

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I

Caller from Illinois

never knew it was a thing and now I'm fully switched over to a Brewer's fan now.

Just specifically

Dominic Lee

because of this.

We bought you with one burger.

So here's the question.

You're from Illinois.

What team do you usually root for?

Caller from Illinois

Unfortunately, the White Sox.

Dominic Lee

Yeah, it didn't feel like it was much of a turn.

I

Jane Matt Nair

feel like a burger is all

Dominic Lee

it would take, honestly.

Ouch.

Yeah.

I love the White Sox.

Don't get me wrong.

There's a kinship that we feel with the White Sox, the Brewers fans.

Jane Matt Nair

They're a little baseball shade.

Dominic Lee

Yeah.

I mean, you are really only better than the Rockies right now.

Caller from Illinois

Yeah.

Last year, we were the worst team.

in all of baseball ever.

So it can only go up from there.

But

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there you go.

That's almost a win.

That's almost a win.

Caller from Illinois

It really

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is.

It was something.

They were alone in that coveted dish space.

Dominic Lee

Really polishing

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this one, aren't you there, Jay?

I'm really trying to help out, Tom.

He's helping us out.

So anyway, yes, Free Burgers next Wednesday, 2 to 6 PM at George Webbs.

And starting today, you can go in and grab a voucher.

Greg Bach

Yes.

Jane Matt Nair

And turn it in later.

Also, just a reminder, we are still seeing a lot of stories coming out about the flooding that happened last weekend.

If you were affected by the flood, they do ask that you go to 211 or call 211.

211, if you call it, I know they've been swamped.

Yes.

With so many people trying to report the flooding.

You can do it online.

I did this yesterday.

OK.

So if you don't want to hang on the phone and wait.

It is important as far as getting help, should the federal government decide to give us help, to know how many people were affected and what kinds of things you lost and damages and stuff like that.

Dominic Lee

And I'm sure they use that information too for their records so they can understand for predictions and whatnot.

And it's just, if you can get that information to them, it's a good place

Jane Matt Nair

to start.

It really helps.

Yeah, it does help.

And it's also been interesting seeing some other articles come out about, we talked about the big,

storms in 97 and 98 that I remember specifically I was living in New Berlin and there were some changes instituted in various communities after that flooding.

And I know in Wauwatosa in parts of the village of Wauwatosa the city bought up a whole bunch of houses and knocked them down.

And then in other areas of the city as well they've tried to expand some of the arable areas adjacent to our parks.

And the other thing that they're doing and have been doing a lot of these water, waterways spillways are lined with concrete.

So that just shoots water.

And so they're removing the concrete from the sides of these areas so that it will soak in a little bit more and help absorb it.

But I guess this isn't helping people who had four feet of water in their basement right now, but some of the stories I'm seeing is

There have been efforts to try and address some of these things What worked in in in 97 and 98 isn't working anymore.

Dominic Lee

No, and it's about now as we all speak with Brittany This is becoming the new normal.

It's something we should be getting used to in southeastern Wisconsin We are not an area of the state that gets a lot of flooding at least to this extent

But we should prepare ourselves for the future because this is where we're headed.

And it is, and you know, people aren't going to want to hear it and they're going to tut tut and hand wave it away.

But this is direct, a direct effect of climate change, specifically global warming.

And I met the point now.

I'm tired of calling it climate change.

It's global warming.

Climate change is just a nice way of putting it.

But the temperatures get warmer.

The atmosphere has more moisture because of that.

It gets trapped in the clouds, more moisture in the clouds means more rain, more rains means more flooding.

You do the rest of that math, but either way it's something we need to prepare for.

And that's something we need to talk to our municipalities about because they need to have plans in place to take care of what's going on.

But the thing that gives me pause and a bit of, of frustration, sadness, anger, whatever you want to call it is the fact that we have

a state government that does not want to spend money on a lot of things, even though we have a lot of money to spend.

And we have a federal government that just basically says, you don't get anything.

Jane Matt Nair

You're on your own.

You're on your own.

Sorry.

You guys should have been taking care of this on your own for a long time.

You should

Dominic Lee

have known better.

It's not our problem.

Sorry.

FEMA is now just, you can come check out the FEMA museum for all the stuff we did in the past, but you don't get any money.

And it doesn't matter who you voted for, by the way, either.

Texas, North Carolina, Arkansas, Wisconsin, all voted for Trump.

Doesn't seem to matter.

Yeah.

Doesn't seem to matter.

Yeah, yeah, it's so sorry I spun that out a little bit But it's it is frustrating because this is the time we need to come together as communities and come up with plans

Jane Matt Nair

Well, it'll also be a good time to perhaps call your elected officials.

I think that's a great thing might be

hesitant to acknowledge that things are changing and we need to adapt along with our change in climate.

Where would I go, Greg Bach, if I would like to call one of my elected officials and I just don't know where to find them?

Dominic Lee

You're going to go to myvote.wi.gov and you're going to put in your information on the front page.

It's going to come up with everything you need.

Not only your rep information, but you can find out where you vote.

You can find out what's on your ballot.

If there's a sample ballot available, you can register to vote, which is very important.

Jane Matt Nair

We

Dominic Lee

talked to Deb Cronmiller about this, the fact that they've

you're going to get a call from the president.

Take it off a bunch of names like hundreds of thousands of names.

Check the voter and make sure you're still registered.

This was not evil planning.

This was something this was maintenance, right?

But you can go and find your reps information from the president down to even if you still elect a dog catcher, and you can give him a call because phone numbers and addresses are in there.

When you do call, please be respectful because you're talking to an eight and or an intern.

So.

tell them that you want to see plans in place and don't let other representatives say, well, that's a Milwaukee or southeastern Wisconsin problem.

That's not how you approach a problem.

Jane Matt Nair

And this is affecting all of us.

Correct.

I mean, good heavens, there have also been articles about how we used to, everybody thought Wisconsin was this climate haven, right?

Yeah.

We're the safe place.

Wisconsin, we don't have hurricanes here.

We don't have, you know, a lot of wildfires here.

Well, we're not such a, there isn't going to be any havens anymore.

No.

No, not at all.

That's kind of a thing of the past.

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Joe.

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Joe

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Dominic (co-host)

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Gonna talk a little bit once we get back from the news about school supplies.

Greg Bach (co-host)

Yes.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

If you are a parent, if you are a grandparent, I would be very curious to hear from you about what you are seeing

As you head into the stores, free notebooks and pencils and erasers, I'm assuming they still use those things.

Do I look like I go to school anymore?

Dominic's the closest to school.

You're our fill-in resident young person for Calvin, Dominic.

Pencils?

Are pencils still a thing?

Yeah, pencils are still

Dominic (co-host)

a thing.

I'm

Jane Matt Nair (host)

just asking.

Dominic (co-host)

I don't use them that much, you know?

But every now and then, I mean, back in college, I used pencils all day, every day.

I was a big notebook guy, so I always write.

Greg Bach (co-host)

Yeah, same here.

I would not type on a laptop during the class.

I wrote everything down.

Took hand notes?

Yeah, and I didn't do that back in the 80s, by the way.

This was in this century.

Thank you very much.

Dominic (co-host)

And it's unfortunate, too, because now they're all requiring laptops only.

Notebooks

Greg Bach (co-host)

are going out

Dominic (co-host)

of style.

I

Greg Bach (co-host)

know a few of

Dominic (co-host)

my classes, they were like that.

Greg Bach (co-host)

The clickety-clack of keyboards just absolutely distracted me during classes.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

And I've heard Melissa Kaye talk about this on Path Show.

There is a connection, at least for me,

When I have to write something with my hand, I remember it better than if I typed it.

Greg Bach (co-host)

I remember it best when I write it with my toes.

That stands

Jane Matt Nair (host)

out,

Greg Bach (co-host)

I

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suppose.

It's a real experience.

That'll be something that would stick with you.

Appreciate that, great guy.

Again, we're to talk school supplies and back to school shopping.

Coming up in just a little bit, we have news on the way.

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We'll be joining us for a little weather and wine.

Let us know what's coming up for us this weekend.

We do have more rain.

Oh, yeah.

We do have more rain on the way, at least for central parts of the state, I believe.

So, Brittany will be here to explain that.

Hour number two, it's Friday.

He is back from Vacay.

Dan Schaefer will be here.

Civic Media's political editor and the creator of the multi-award-winning re-combobulation area.

Gonna talk about the governor's race.

Yep.

Couple other things going on here in the state.

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Absolutely free and text in the word run are you and Text in the word run before 11 o'clock this morning You are in the running for a four-pack in Milwaukee Brewers club level tickets for next Saturday's game and am fam as the Brewers host the Giants gonna be huge game every game going forward now is big.

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Yes,

Jane Matynair

and these tickets are

hard to get and getting a little price

Dan Schaefer

red hot

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they are red hot so text in the word run right now are you and spelling counts take your time mm-hmm are you and text in the word run before 11 o'clock Tom Hartman then will have a new word for you from 11 to two Todd all but two to four and Maggie Dawn from four to six and Luke Mathers actually just shared with us that

Next Saturday's game is the Bob Euker Gulf umbrella game.

Oh boy.

So if you get these tickets, you're also if you're one of the first, I think 125,000 people, 120

Greg Bach

people.

No,

Jane Matynair

no,

Greg Bach

no.

25,000.

Oh, there's thousands.

That's a lot of that would be a lot of

Dominic Lee

umbrellas.

Three.

That's three Miller parks.

OK, that's a lot of lot of rallies.

Jane Matynair

Twenty five thousand umbrellas.

That's still a lot of brawling.

Next Saturday at MFM.

One

Dominic Lee

million

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umbrellas.

Billion billion umbrellas.

25,000 Bob Euker golf umbrellas.

Those

Greg Bach

are nice.

Going to

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be given away next Saturday.

So again, text in the word run.

R-U-N.

And good luck.

It is our free Ticket Friday contest.

Well done, Rita from La Crosse and Chad and Laval and Ron and Oregon.

And just makes me happy.

I like to see him come in.

Yeah, I know.

Okay, we wanted to talk prices a little bit back to school shopping underway.

School has got to be starting up in a couple of weeks, maybe even sooner than that, depending upon where you go.

Dan Schaefer

I believe some schools start next week and then the bulk of them start after Labor Day.

But yeah, it really it depends on the school depends on the district.

It depends on a bunch of things.

But yeah, in the next few weeks, we're going to see school full blown back in session.

And that means and honestly, it's meant since last month back

to school

Jane Matynair

sales.

Yep, big time.

Unfortunately for moms and dads and probably grandparents as well, first day school supplies expected to cost an average of 7.3% more, almost three times headline inflation over the past year.

This is from the Century Group, the Century Foundation came out with this.

Price increases for some things like index cards.

are up 40%.

Binders and folders, parents will pay 13% more.

Overall, families expected to pay about 163 more this year for school lunch staples.

That's up over 5% from last year.

Things like juice boxes, grapes, strawberries, up an average of 22%.

This compounded by the effects of the Trump tariffs, which are hiking prices of clothing and shoes by as much as

40% electronics by 30% college textbooks by 10% Yeah,

Dan Schaefer

it's This is that Kitchen table economy that people have been talking about for quite a while now and and that is something that I will forever be You know a little embarrassed that I didn't I last year when we were talking about the presidential election everyone talked about how bad the economy was

I always pointed towards the economic indicators with stock market, jobs, forecast, things of that nature.

But learning about the kitchen table economy, I don't have children, so I don't worry about back to school purchases.

But this is a great example of the fact that prices just are not coming down.

As was promised.

As was promised.

Dominic Lee

Day one.

Day one,

Dan Schaefer

the prices would come down.

And on top of that,

you know, prices are going to go up regardless.

That's just the world we live in.

That's what we should expect.

They're supposed to go up by matter to match inflation.

We have found out through news sources that there are some companies who admit to price gouging and using inflation, using the pandemic as far as supply chain problems.

They'll use what they want to get us to pay for what we need and we pay for it because it's our things.

We need kids need school supplies.

we don't really have a choice.

And you can say you can go to Amazon too to find it, but it doesn't make it cheaper either.

The prices, I remember we talked about a couple of weeks ago, the price of backpacks have skyrocketed.

So, you know, this is

This is a real world thing that affects everybody.

This is not, you know, my backpack isn't more expensive because I voted for a Democrat.

My backpack is more expensive because it's more expensive.

Jane Matynair

Yeah.

And then we got this news yesterday, which we didn't have a chance to talk about yesterday when this came out.

Yesterday, a 0.9% single month jump in the producer price index.

That is the largest since the inflationary days of 2022.

This jump pushed the PPI 3.3% higher compared to this time last year.

It rose all the way to 3.7% year after year.

None of these numbers are good.

Thank you very much.

Dan Schaefer

I mean, it's far more nuanced and complicated to talk about in a few minutes that we have here, but

really like we want to know from you, the listeners, what are you be, especially for those, for those people buying school supplies for the kids, what are you seeing as far as price hikes?

We're seeing, you know, whether it's

Dominic Lee

the index cards or you still use, I'm just amazed anyone still uses index cards.

Dan Schaefer

I mean, it's yeah, I think that

I think this is one of those conversation pieces that we forget because, as I mentioned yesterday, there's so much happening all the time that we're, everything that we're upset about on Monday, we forget by Friday because not only is there a new story, but we have lives that we have to, you know, I have bills to pay, I have places to go, I have things to do.

So I can't keep my eye on it all the time and we understand that.

So it's important to talk about it again.

These prices are not coming down.

In fact,

they're only going up and much higher.

And there are things that play into it like inflation, things like tariffs, things like economic instability, and also companies who will just take advantage of the fact that people are just willing to pay more because they have nary a choice.

Jane Matynair

The Century Foundation did a survey of over 2000 voters.

American families are struggling six in 10 Americans blame Donald Trump for driving up the cost of living.

eight in 10, that includes 68% of Republicans are worried the Trump tariffs are going to raise prices on things like clothing.

Yes, we're already seeing that, especially on shoes.

More than eight in 10 people are also worried it brought the price of food in today's economy.

Yesterday, I saw a report that said that vegetables are up 32%.

Dan Schaefer

I saw a tweet of someone showing us a piece of meat, same meat.

option from Costco last year in April It was like $49 this year same cuts almost the same size off by just a just a bit The price per pound went up five bucks.

It's now nearly $79 for that same cut of meat same size same place I mean the prices are just going up and there's no getting around it.

There's nothing we can do Unless I shouldn't say there's nothing we can do but they're there

It should spark a conversation on what we look for in our leaders, too, because we were told, as you said, day one

Jane Matynair

prices are going to come down.

Along with ending the war in Ukraine and many other things that were supposed to happen day one, because it was all so easy.

School supply shopping will be 7.3% more expensive this year compared to last year.

School meals and healthy food this year families can already expect to pay over 160 bucks more Just to pack your kids lunch Mm-hmm And what if you need a laptop?

Everybody needs a laptop laptops have prices have almost doubled from 650 bucks to $1,200

Thanks to tariffs.

Dan Schaefer

Well, and that's the other thing too is when I think about those bigger purchase, whether they're laptops or tablets or, you know, some kids require certain kinds of calculators because of their math class, although I know that on phones nowadays they have scientific calculators.

I don't, I don't know, you know,

Well really quick, Dom, you were in high school and grade school a lot sooner than we were.

What was any kind of big tech purchases that you may have needed to make to be in school

Dominic Lee

before college?

I think for me it was the calculator, one of those big nice calculators, the TI-84 pluses.

Those were so expensive.

And that was, you're right, that was when I was in high school, eighth grade.

It should have been just a basic calculator, but you know, I had to spend the extra.

Jane Matynair

Get the fancy one.

Dominic Lee

Yeah.

Dan Schaefer

Well, and I mean, when I was a kid, that's the TI calculator, which all kids in a certain math got was like in high school in the nineties was like 60, 70 bucks.

They're like 130 now.

And so yeah, I mean, but my point with is, is these larger purchases.

That's when I think about parents and grandparents and guardians and whomever.

They're like, well, I got to slap a credit card down now.

I have to make a big purchase.

Okay, that's a 14 to 29% interest rate on that purchase that you're going to pay off over time.

So really, it's just pushing these parents into spending that they might not be able to make, but they have to do because schools require certain things too now.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

When I hear you say that a percentage of Republicans are nervous that prices will go up, when were you asked that question?

Because they've been going up.

Are you nervous?

Are you upset?

I want to know their thoughts right now because there's no way they're living in a world where their clothing and food hasn't gone up.

Jane Matynair

And car prices, by the way, expected to rise as much as $4,000 to $12,000 courtesy of the Trump tariffs.

Dan Schaefer

Which I read a stat from last week about Ford.

$800 million they lost in second quarter of this year because of the tariffs.

This is their first loss since 2023.

Tariffs alone which required them to put to raise their prices which required them to do certain things to cover those costs because they're not just gonna eat nearly a billion dollars We pay for that

Jane Matynair

and it's kind of interesting because over the last couple of days even Trump administration officials are finally now I Don't know if they're inadvertently letting it slip

Greg Bach

that

Jane Matynair

yeah American companies and American consumers are the ones who pay the tariffs

Just don't talk to Peter Navarro, because he's in a whole different planet.

When we return, civic media meteorologist Brittney Merleau will join us for a little weather and wine.

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Brittany Merleau is here.

Civic media's meteorologist, a little weather and wine, and oh joy, oh rapture, we have more rain coming in this weekend.

Brittany Merleau (Civic Media Meteorologist)

Yeah, I have nothing but bad news again.

Matt Nair (Host)

All right, that was Brittany Merleau with Weather in Line.

Thanks a lot.

Brittany Merleau (Civic Media Meteorologist)

Let's move on.

Enjoy your weekend, everybody.

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Goodbye.

See you

Brittany Merleau (Civic Media Meteorologist)

next week.

Just kidding.

No, oh my gosh, I wish it was that easy.

This weekend is just going to be kind of a repeat of last weekend.

To be honest with you, there is going to be flooding somewhere in the state.

A good widespread two to four inches is expected.

We are seeing places that could get up maybe six, seven inches of rainfall depends where this boundary sets up again, where those storms are going to line up and just keep going.

So kind of like last weekend, we're going to get that high heat, high humidity.

We're feeling it today.

Temperatures reaching about 90 degrees far south, dew points in the mid 70s, feeling close to 100 degrees.

Matt Nair (Host)

It'll

Brittany Merleau (Civic Media Meteorologist)

stay that way south tomorrow.

Then we're going to start to get a little bit of relief from the heat, but that's of course versus the storms and the rain starts to drink all of that juice and dump it on us.

So I think it's all going to start early this evening tonight.

You can see it probably starting in Minnesota and Iowa and it's going to cross into our western borders this evening.

We're looking at potentially high winds, hail, maybe a tornado too in the north woods, more of a chance up there.

We're going to see waves tonight.

We're going to see a.

Decent bow echo that may come through, blast through the Northwoods tomorrow morning.

Southern cities, you could get the low end of that.

You know, the southern end of that line could scrape you tomorrow morning.

Again, getting warm and humid, still staying sticky tomorrow afternoon.

More storms start, and I think that this is when it's really gonna start setting up that boundary.

So from Eau Claire to Milwaukee, maybe even the Fox Valley, this line keeps moving, so we're not exactly sure where it's gonna set up.

Yeah, Saturday afternoon into the evening and into our Sunday morning.

I think that's when the flooding is going to become a big concern there.

So of course, shots of heavy rainfall, localized flooding, definitely possible, but the aerial widespread where it's going to keep hitting is going to be that Saturday afternoon night and into Sunday morning and it doesn't stop there.

I wish it did.

We got more rounds Sunday into Monday, potentially scattered showers still lingering into Tuesday before we see a dry break.

Same scenario system hits front stalls more low pressures come through Enhancing that rain risk and then it sits in stalls and it doesn't leave till next week

Matt Nair (Host)

And that was the problem with last weekend too, right Brittany is that these storms slowed down and It isn't it called the train effect where it just keeps coming and coming and coming and going over the same area over and over and over again

Brittany Merleau (Civic Media Meteorologist)

Yep, just like the train tracks, right?

It's set on that track, one spot.

Where's that front?

That front, that train track is going to see some flooding.

So again, stay tuned because this is changing every minute here of where this front's going to go.

But either way, rounds and rounds expected, strong to severe storms and heavy rains.

So hunker down this weekend.

It's going to be a gross one.

Greg Bach (Contributor)

And you and I had a conversation earlier this week about the same topic.

And two things I want you to, you specifically to cover here and just talk about is one, that this is now going to be the new norm as you put it.

And also, would you just give people a really quick overview of that snow to water ratio when it comes to snowfall versus rainfall?

Because that was something that I made you repeat in that interview because I was shocked by that statistic.

Brittany Merleau (Civic Media Meteorologist)

Yeah, it's pretty shocking.

So for sure, we had two day rain totals over a foot of rain.

When you put that into what it is in snow, that's 10 feet, 10 feet of snow, 10 feet, not inches, feet.

Matt Nair (Host)

It's hard to wrap your brain around that.

It really is.

But we're getting a little heads up about it now.

Better to be prepared than be taken by surprise, which I think so many people were last weekend.

I know I was.

Greg Bach (Contributor)

I was gonna say, it might be a good idea for people maybe hit the store today or tomorrow.

Get some squeezy mops,

Matt Nair (Host)

get some bleach.

Flashlights.

Get some gloves, get some flashlights.

What else?

I

Brittany Merleau (Civic Media Meteorologist)

mean, get some

Matt Nair (Host)

power sources, maybe a generator that you run outside and also some waterproof containers.

Greg Bach (Contributor)

And a stock of some good non perishable foods in case maybe do a little grocery shopping.

Just be prepared.

And like you said, Brittany, right now, we don't know exactly where this flooding can hit.

So it's better to be prepared than it is to be caught off guard.

Brittany Merleau (Civic Media Meteorologist)

Yes.

And even if you don't get the crazy flooding to remember that the soil is saturated.

If you get winds, high winds and some of these storms, power outages trees could come down much easier over a whole different battleground these days now.

Matt Nair (Host)

Going to be a busy weekend for our civic media meteorologist, Brittany Merleau.

Really appreciate the time, Brittany.

Stay safe this weekend.

We will talk to you next week.

Thanks, you too.

We have news coming up next, and then when we return, we're going to do some recombobulating with Civic Media's political editor, Dan Schaefer, is here.

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Jane (host)

Welcome, welcome to Matt and air on air Jane Matt and air Greg Bach Dominic Lee in for Calvin who?

Truckingly has vacation.

I don't know how that happened.

That's never gonna happen again.

No, I'm kidding Calvin deserves it We are coming to you live from our studio here at radio park in Racine and also Dom filling in for Calvin coming to you live from a civic media's world headquarters in Madison, Wisconsin He joins us every Friday

around this time or not.

Dan Schaefer is here, Civic Media's political editor and also the creator of the multi award-winning Recon Population Area.

We're just working on the live stream view here.

I'm getting a little nauseated.

Are we set now?

Greg Bach (host)

It's

Jane (host)

the best we

Greg Bach (host)

can do

Jane (host)

right now because

Greg Bach (host)

people were futzing.

No,

Jane (host)

futzing.

They were futzing with buttons in the studio.

We're anti-futzing.

Good morning, Dan Shaffer.

Good morning, Jane.

Wonderful to be back here with you all on Matt and Air on Air after a

Dan Schaefer (Civic Media's political editor)

week away.

Jane (host)

Glad to have you.

We are going to do audio sorbet after the 1030 news.

We want to just talk about summer vacations because you guys just got back.

We want to hear a little bit about about your summer vacation.

And that's coming up after 10.30 with Audio Sorbet.

We'll wrap up the show.

As we always do with this shouldn't be a thing.

Today it is the Rock Row.

Rock Row Edition.

Stay tuned for that.

Lots of things to talk about with Dan Shaper.

And before we got in the air, we were just talking about the flooding.

You live in Milwaukee.

Were you guys affected at all?

Dan Schaefer (Civic Media's political editor)

Luckily, we were not.

We got really lucky.

We were just had a, only had a

Whatever we had to clean up could be done with paper towels.

Jane (host)

So we got really, really lucky.

That's great.

Dan Schaefer (Civic Media's political editor)

We live on a hill in Washington Heights right up the, so like right down the hill from us was when there were some.

of the worst flooding was

Jane (host)

happening

Dan Schaefer (Civic Media's political editor)

around State Street.

I don't know if you saw some of the videos in Tosa Village with the really high rushing waters.

They had to close that pedestrian footpath.

I took some photos and all that this week.

And I was in Germantown helping the news team out, get some photos.

They had all four lanes of traffic closed at County Lane Road because

Jane (host)

it

Dan Schaefer (Civic Media's political editor)

was flooding all the way across.

There was a neighborhood there that had been kind of voluntarily evacuated that the police were saying.

They put a couple

people up in the super eight motel nearby while the, while the floodwaters receded and all of that.

And yeah, I guess we're going to, we're looking at a tough forecast for this weekend

Jane (host)

too.

And it's just,

Dan Schaefer (Civic Media's political editor)

it's, it's really challenging for so many people.

And, and, you know, I think first responders have been doing just a phenomenal work all over southeastern Wisconsin helping people out, but there are so many people facing really, really difficult things.

I, you know, I saw this, this story that really connected with me that I saw on a TMJ for last night.

This woman just lost.

like she heard the flood insurance is not going to cover her house.

Her house is not livable anymore.

And she just doesn't know what to do.

It's just brutal.

So many people are in these really, really challenging situations.

And it's just, my heart goes out to him.

Jane (host)

Absolutely.

And I think all the time about.

I'm lucky.

I have siblings who are not far away.

I have a niece and nephew who are pretty close.

If we had to go stay with somebody, we've got friends, we've got family, we could impose on for a month if we had to.

But for folks who don't have anybody, what do you do?

Dan Schaefer (Civic Media's political editor)

Where do you go?

It's it's just There's no easy answers for any of this.

It's it's such a difficult thing and I saw one one story that I saw this week that the Milwaukee Journal sent I was putting out about Milwaukee County's efforts to get Enough people to log there Yeah,

Jane (host)

the two one one.

Dan Schaefer (Civic Media's political editor)

So if you have like any, you know

major damages in your home or whatever, log those with two on one and then Milwaukee County system, because that will help get the federal funds, hopefully, to get the federal funds to assist.

Because they said that the volume of damage that was happening here is equivalent to something like a hurricane.

Like it is an enormous amount of damage that Southeast, people around Southeastern Wisconsin, you know, I know there was a lot in West Alice and Wauwatosa and some of those Western suburbs there and a walk, Shaw guy hit

Jane (host)

really.

Dan Schaefer (Civic Media's political editor)

There was a number of places that really dealt with some, some terrible, terrible damage.

The North side of Milwaukee, like, you know, some of these just like lower lying areas that are close to rivers and whatnot just really got rocked.

And, and hopefully, you know, fingers crossed that that federal support will come through.

I

Jane (host)

don't think anybody's holding their breath on that.

I don't think anybody's holding their breath on it either.

They're still waiting in Texas.

Dan Schaefer (Civic Media's political editor)

Right.

Jane (host)

They're still waiting after that horrible flooding down there where over 100 people were killed.

Right.

Dan Schaefer (Civic Media's political editor)

Yeah.

And in Arkansas and in North Carolina, we've seen this over and over again over the course of the year since the Trump administration has come back.

It's just the support is just not there.

And so yesterday, there was actually a press release put out a bipartisan one.

So that doesn't that doesn't happen all that often Tammy Baldwin Gwen Moore and Republican Brian style are calling on the Trump administration and FEMA to support Wisconsin's request for federal support for flood damage

Jane (host)

Only Brian style only Brian style.

Yeah, not Fitz

Dan Schaefer (Civic Media's political editor)

not

Jane (host)

not Glenn growth man.

I think Tom Tiffany

Dan Schaefer (Civic Media's political editor)

I feel like Fitz did Fitzgerald.

So I think he represents some of the years.

He did call on some support.

He didn't sign on to this particular letter, along with Baldwin Moore in style.

Jane (host)

And

Dan Schaefer (Civic Media's political editor)

no Ron Johnson.

Jane (host)

I was going to say, our senior senator, where is he?

Is he just on

Greg Bach (host)

Fox

Jane (host)

again?

Greg Bach (host)

He's got to make sure that anyone was affected.

First, they were vaccine injured before he did even take up the case.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry if I'm the, if I am the, the, the no good Nick, bad news guy, but I don't see this going anywhere.

Simply because when I see sit Greg Abbott, governor of Texas, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, governor of Arkansas, Josh Hawley, Senator from Arkansas saying, or Missouri saying, please help us, please help us, please help us.

And he's saying.

I got a golf game to go to.

I don't think he's going to see our state with any more loving eyes.

And that really upsets me.

But I think that Wisconsin at this moment, and I'll be shocked if it happens, we're on our own.

And this is where I say to the state legislature, step up.

We have people in trouble, people who are your constituents, your neighbors, and people you want to vote for you.

We got to step up now and do something and and just speaking what to use speaking to what you said Dan with regard to the the story about the woman whose house is basically destroyed Because this is going to be the new norm because we have to factor these things into our everyday life and planning It's probably a good time now to sit down with family and friends and say all right Dan if if flooding happens

you and the kids and your wife, you come stay with us for a little while.

Well, you know, like have

Dan Schaefer (Civic Media's political editor)

a plan

Greg Bach (host)

make plans

Dan Schaefer (Civic Media's political editor)

because

Greg Bach (host)

that's all we that's all we can control and do right now is make a plan to get by and to help out because that's what

is most important is to help out.

Jane (host)

Well, and another thing that, by the way, if you're just joining us on Matt Nair on air, Dan Schaefer is here.

He is Civic Media's political editor and also the creator of the Reconpopulation Area.

He joins us every Friday.

We're talking about last weekend's flooding in Milwaukee.

I saw an article in the Journal Sentinel this morning about a couple in Wauwatosa who, when they bought their home three years ago, it was not considered in a floodplain.

Determination was changed in 2024 and put them in a flood floodplain and they didn't know that.

Oh boy.

Now, I don't know how that works.

Is it the municipalities responsibility to contact people when that designation is changed?

Is that part of like the home assessments that they do?

Is that our responsibility as homeowners to find out whether or not you are now in a floodplain?

That had to be a very unpleasant surprise.

Yeah.

Dan Schaefer (Civic Media's political editor)

Yeah, definitely.

That's yet another challenge that arises with all of this.

You know, you just like, we're seeing all these stories about, you know, businesses and homeowners and just different people.

Like I, there was that story about the Milwaukee Repertory Theater.

It just moved all of their operations into Albatosa and

Jane (host)

they lost

Dan Schaefer (Civic Media's political editor)

$5 million worth of their supplies and all of the things that they used to put on performances and all

Jane (host)

that too.

Kathy Holland, they're in downtown Tosa is going to be closed for at least six weeks.

Yeah.

They're...

kitchen is in the basement, which if you've seen those photos from downtown Wotosa with that river, it's amazing to me.

There is a stairway that's outside of Cafe Hollander on the river side.

That's a miracle that that thing has never been swept away that ladder.

I know it's astonishing to me.

Dan Schaefer (Civic Media's political editor)

I actually I went down there on Monday to take some photos because the there was there was like a bunch of debris and like it was just down there.

It was kind of a funny moment because I was down there at about 5 p.m.

And about 5 35 45 governor Evers showed up.

So I just missed him by about a half hour.

I also

Jane (host)

ran it on purpose.

I

Dan Schaefer (Civic Media's political editor)

also ran into former state superintendent candidate Brittany Kinzer while I was walking

Jane (host)

around on their

Dan Schaefer (Civic Media's political editor)

photos.

It's just a strange little political moment on on in downtown Wauwatosa while people are assessing all this storm damage.

But

You know, yeah, it's, there's just so many different questions that arise with all of this.

We, I hope the federal assistance comes.

I'm not optimistic.

I do think it's encouraging to at least see some level of bipartisan support for this.

Like Brian style.

I don't agree with him on a whole lot.

He's at least being an adult here and just signing onto the letter with his democratic counterparts.

Greg Bach (host)

This should not be a matter of politics and the fact

Dan Schaefer (Civic Media's political editor)

that it

Greg Bach (host)

could be in the fact that.

50% of our senators from the state are a part of this.

And the other 50% is like you said, Fox news, news nation, where, where, where is it?

I don't know where he is right now.

It's definitely

Jane (host)

Ron

Greg Bach (host)

Johnson.

Dan Schaefer (Civic Media's political editor)

Nobody knows.

Well, it's like the, you know, people talk about us having like the two most different senators, right?

Both ideologically and I think in a practical terms in a lot of ways, because Tammy Baldwin is like an A plus level senator when it comes to constituent services.

Jane (host)

It's really

Dan Schaefer (Civic Media's political editor)

her hallmark in a lot of ways.

I think Johnson, he just never.

shows up and said, like I had somebody, when I posted the news about this on Twitter, I had somebody reply and say, why doesn't Ron Johnson ever do this sort of basic stuff as a senator?

And it's a good question.

Cause he just never, ever shows up.

Greg Bach (host)

Because honestly, he is in his third term and he has found out through 12 plus previous years of service that he does not need to.

Yeah.

He keeps getting rewarded.

It goes back to the example we used when we were talking about fair maps.

Politicians.

who want the job, have to run for the job.

They have to knock on doors.

They have to get in their car and talk to people and talk to people who disagree with them.

But if your job is, it's not secure, but if he's won now three elections, two of those re-elections, he knows that he doesn't have to show up.

We're not counting on him.

That's the thing is, if you're listening, Ron Johnson, here's the thing is, you won.

We know we can't count on you.

Jane (host)

But you can call him.

Yes.

And you can call our other lawmakers and ask them,

Why didn't you sign on to this thing asking for help from the federal government?

If I wanted to call them Greg Box say Tom Tiffany or someone like that, where would I find that number?

Greg Bach (host)

You're going to go to my vote.wi.gov for all the information you need.

Just fill out a simple form that asks your name and your address and that will give you the name of all the people who represent you from the president to the dog catcher with phone numbers, addresses.

Please be kind.

Please be respectful because you're going to be talking to an aide.

and or intern about this.

Jane (host)

But just just let you know, Glenn growth man and Fitzgerald and some of those guys let him know that we're paying attention Fitzgerald.

I forgot he was a congressman.

Isn't that because he's so quiet.

He never does

Greg Bach (host)

anything.

I did a really cursory search on the Google's and about who notifies who regarding floodplain changes.

And this isn't a this is just what I got from when a floodplain changes.

It is a primary responsibility of the local government to notify affected homeowners.

I'll say that saying this, each community participating in what's called the NFIP, the national flood insurance program has a floodplain administrator responsible for working with FEMA on mapping and enforcing local floodplain ordinances.

And they would, they

Jane (host)

are their responsibility,

Greg Bach (host)

but that is if you are participating in this program.

If you don't like, I don't live in a floodplain at this moment, not that you know of, but so I don't know if Kenosha.

is a part of this.

If they are, then I would assume there's someone in the municipal building whose job is to work with FEMA, which I don't know if FEMA's going to be doing this work anymore, but to notify us.

So it's about checking your mail, too.

That's the weird things.

Sometimes you get those letters, you don't know what they're about, and it's important to see that, too.

Jane (host)

Sometimes you have to open the mail.

I know.

We're going to continue our conversation with Dan Schaefer and keep recombobulating.

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There we go.

We're going to talk about summer vacations.

Dan Schaefer just back from his big vacay.

So we're going to talk about that.

Where did you go on your summer vacation?

I'm looking forward to it.

Dan Schaefer (Civic Media Political Editor)

Yeah,

Jane Matt Nair (host)

I hope you took lots of pictures.

Took lots of pictures.

I got a lot to show you, Jane.

Excellent, excellent.

Let's talk a little bit about the gubernatorial race.

Yeah.

In Wisconsin, there's a new poll out.

I see Tom Tiffany is at the top of the list.

Dan Schaefer (Civic Media Political Editor)

Yeah.

So, well, I want to thank all of the candidates across Wisconsin for not making any announcements while I was on vacation.

That was very nice of them to really go around my schedule, which is what I appreciate.

You know, in the run up to vacation, I was completely expecting Tony Evers to make his big announcement.

Like while I was on the tarmac right about to get to get in the air, just to ruin your life.

Exactly.

But grateful that he did that.

Grateful that nobody else.

announced.

while I was gone.

But, you know, I think the interest now, now that we know that there's going to be a primary on the Democratic side and we're going to see some candidate announcements and Calderois made some news on civic media this week.

Absolutely.

But I think we're going to start seeing what's going on on the Republican side now that they know who, you know, that they're going to be running against an open field instead of the incumbent.

I think that changes the dynamic a little bit.

So we saw a poll by a Republican pollster that was released on the daily call.

yesterday, breaking down kind of the three top potential or declared candidates.

So you have Congressman Tom Tiffany, Washington County Executive Josh Showman, and Southeastern Wisconsin businessman Bill Barion.

And of that group, just polling those three, Tiffany was at 40%.

Showman 13% and Barion at 10%.

So, you know, if that were the field, if it was just the three candidate field, it seems like Tiffany would have a pretty large lead.

And they also did this kind of like push-pull piece

Jane Matt Nair (host)

of it

Dan Schaefer (Civic Media Political Editor)

too, where it was just like, if Tom Tiffany were to be endorsed by President Trump, who would you support?

And it was like, if he got the Trump endorsement, basically it would show that he would clear the field, right?

So if he got the Trump endorsement, it was something like 65% would go for Tiffany or something like that with that endorsement.

And I do think a Trump endorsement is going to be extremely critical in this kind of primary too, because...

He's the guy, right, in the Republican Party.

So if he were to endorse anybody in the race, I think they would get it.

And I think particularly with Tiffany, if Tiffany gets into this race, if Trump endorsement endorses him, he clears the field.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

But we also assume that his endorsement is still going to be golden by the time this comes around.

And if the economic numbers are any indication, that might not be the case when it comes to next year.

Dan Schaefer (Civic Media Political Editor)

No, but I think just given the fact that like Trump has won Wisconsin twice now and given the fact that he drove turnout the way that he did in 2024 and like even though his poll numbers nationally are bad and continuing to get worse and the economic situation is continuing to get worse and inflation is on the rise and there are unemployment concerns and there are he's firing the the Bureau of Labor Statistics director and so many different things we could go on and on and on.

And we have, but I think they're, you know, he still has extremely strong support within the Republican party.

Like this is one thing that Charles Franklin at the Marquette poll always comes back to it's just like, even if his net, his overall, you know, he's, he has 0% approval rating among Democrats.

Maybe it's like 25% among Republicans.

He's still like 90% among, sorry.

independence still like 90% among Republicans, you know, so Republicans have just not wavered from their support of Trump.

And I think we saw it in the multi multi candidate Republican primary in the eighth congressional district last year that Tony weed ended up winning and he won the race and he did that on the back of the Trump endorsement.

And I think the similar dynamic is in play for the gubernatorial race here.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

I did want to share this Ronnie from horror context to the same listening at WAUK Fitzgerald has officially requested financial aid for flood victims.

Hey, he did.

something right for a change.

So I just want to get that in there.

We'd like to be fair.

Yes, of course.

Want to be fair, give credit where credit is due.

Love hearing that.

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Unidentified Guest

Yes, talk to your friends.

Get Ron Johnson on board.

Come on.

Come on, Ron.

Step up.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

He's got to be.

First time

Unidentified Guest

for everything.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

He can pull himself away from Maria Bartiromo on Fox and make time for his actual constituents.

Maybe.

Maybe.

That would be nice.

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Do we want to talk about the spillage?

Greg Bach

Why not?

Because, you know, I am an adult.

Jane Mattenair

The people on the live stream were wondering, Greg, why you disappeared during that last segment.

right as we were coming back on the air, literally 30 seconds before we opened to the mics.

What happened?

Greg Bach

Oh, you know, as an adult who's been on this earth for nearly 50 years, I managed to not be able to grab a cup of water that was next to me.

And it went, and by the way, it had a top on it because I'm a toddler and it fell and spilled everywhere.

Don't worry, higher ups and technicians

Jane Mattenair

and engineers.

Greg Bach

Everything's fine.

Everything's dry.

Everything's good.

But yeah, and it's just really like.

That is one of those things for me.

I've lived through some stuff in my life, but as an adult human person on this earth, I don't know if there's anything as far as small problems that can be more frustrating than spilling a cup of water because you have about .1 second to take it in the information and then chaos reigns.

Jane Mattenair

Yes.

As you're running for towel or something, what can I wipe this up with?

Yes.

Greg Bach

Well, you know you have to towel hits you about.

five seconds in but what happens is where is the water going and this is a white table so the water on top of a white table just becomes

Glary white.

Yeah, and

Jane Mattenair

then and we have a few electronics.

We have electronics all over this table.

Greg Bach

So yes, it's an expensive room PJ on the live stream better have a squeeze mop in that studio.

I can get one.

I know

Jane Mattenair

all about squeezy mumps.

I know the best of squeezy mumps.

Greg Bach

So yeah, I just I just became like incensed with the world.

And I was very mad.

I hope I love the both of you.

I love the both of you very much.

But

Man.

Jane Mattenair

You took care of it well though.

Whoa.

You're a little discombobulated.

Yeah, it was

okay.

But there was no swearing.

There was no, I mean, you know, that would have been me.

Yeah.

So,

well done on the cleanup there, Greg.

Darn

Greg Bach

it, Nia,

Jane Mattenair

man.

The

Greg Bach

water is everywhere,

Jane Mattenair

marriage.

Dang, Nia, but I don't think it would have been what I would have seen.

No, no, no.

Anyway, glad that's all wiped up as it were.

Greg Bach

There it is.

Jane Mattenair

There it is.

Let's talk vacations, Dan Schaefer.

You had a big vacay.

Dan Schaefer

Yeah, I did.

Uh, I was, I was out last week because I was in England, London, England,

Greg Bach

England.

Dan Schaefer

Yes.

Uh, I had a.

pretty kind of a once in a lifetime opportunity to join a friend of mine who I went to high school with, turning 40, had a big celebration, invited lots of people to go to England.

Jane Mattenair

As one does.

Dan Schaefer

As one does.

And we were able to make it work somehow.

We were able to figure out a way to make it work.

So we got to go join our friends to celebrate for a few days in England.

And we also got to go see Oasis

Greg Bach

at

Dan Schaefer

Wembley

Greg Bach

Stadium.

Yes.

Dan Schaefer

That must have been huge.

And that was really one of the best shows I've ever seen.

You know, I'm a fan of the band and have been for a while.

I saw them when I was in college in Chicago, but seeing them in England, seeing Oasis in England was a different experience because.

people like Oasis in the United States.

People love Oasis in England.

And it was 90,000 people singing along to every word of every song, like even these B sides from like albums from more than 20 years ago that have become fan favorites that they bring back on tour and all of that.

And it's just like this communal experience

Jane Mattenair

of people are just

Dan Schaefer

having this wonderful time.

And there's no pretension about it either because it's just like, you know, most shows just

like, oh, don't wear the band shirts to the show or whatever.

Jane Mattenair

Everybody's just like head

Dan Schaefer

to toe in a way to skier.

They were selling the bucket hats and just like whatever goofy

Greg Bach

stuff

Dan Schaefer

that the Gallagher brothers would wear in the 90s and all that.

And so we had an absolute blast.

Greg Bach

Well, and there's also a matter of context to this too.

It was like a huge reunion for them because the Gallagher brothers famously for over a decade didn't speak to each other.

They don't seem to like each other very much.

The vibes

Dan Schaefer

are good now, though.

Greg Bach

The check is

Dan Schaefer

clearing.

The check is clearing.

Yeah.

Greg Bach

I mean, when you think of those bands out there who are offered money to reunite, I mean, I'm hearing like, I remember hearing a story that somebody, this was years ago, someone offered the Smiths like 20, 30 million dollars to reunite.

And they were like, no.

Right.

So the Smiths, who is a known band, we've known who Morris is.

He's a person, but.

Oasis, I can't even, I can't even begin to fathom the money that's going to be made on this tour because it's, there's no new music.

Right.

It's all great, which is fine.

Jane Mattenair

Yeah, they're not, but they're, they're not promoting a new album.

Greg Bach

Exactly.

And people, and what you described is exactly how I thought it would be just 90,000 people there for the night,

Jane Mattenair

the

Greg Bach

experience.

And there's nothing quite like hearing a stadium full of people sing the lyrics back to.

Did they do the thing where they didn't sing and they let the audience sing for them?

Oh, absolutely.

Dan Schaefer

Don't look back in anger

Greg Bach

like the

Dan Schaefer

whole 90,000 people singing, you know, singing now, it's singing, Wonderwall singing, Champagne Supernova, like they've got some sing-alongs,

Jane Mattenair

you

Dan Schaefer

know, so it was really, really fun.

And that is at the biggest stage.

I mean, Wembley is massive.

Massive.

Yeah, that has to be the biggest.

stadium show I've ever seen.

Yeah.

Outside of just like a Lollapalooza

Jane Mattenair

or a big festival

Dan Schaefer

like that or whatever, but as like a just one band stadium show.

And Richard Ashcroft from the verve opened better.

Having the whole crowd sing bittersweet symphony was also really cool.

Greg Bach

The Rolling Stones like, keep it going, man.

Pay me, pay me, pay me.

That's the thing.

That's what I was going to ask us.

who opens for Oasis?

Like who's, and the fact that it was a, it was a solo guy as a tiny dot of a human on a stage from far away singing.

And yes, bittersweet symphony is a huge song, especially over there, but.

I could have just imagined it being an evening with Oasis where you say, all right, we're going to play an hour, take a 20, 30 minute break, play another hour, do an encore.

And then there you go.

Dan Schaefer

Well, so we got there.

We took, we took the train from our hotel to, to Wembley stadium and we get off the train and there's like all of this stuff.

There's like kind of this big alley that you go through

Greg Bach

and they have like

Dan Schaefer

shops and stores and whatever that like leads up to just like, you know, it.

as a music venue and soccer stadium and whatever else football stadium.

And there was this one like little kind of kind of like across from the deer district where you have those bars and stuff like that and whatever.

And so like there was this one really big bar and open area and there was a band playing and it was just an Oasis cover band Oasis cover band before seeing Oasis.

So it was just like

that a Wonderwall themed drink that my wife

Greg Bach

ordered.

Dan Schaefer

Everything was just like really done up and over the top.

It was really fun.

Greg Bach

I think that's great.

I mean, when you, it's like, when you go to play some sports, you got to limber up.

So if you're going to go see Oasis, start with an Oasis cover band, get those lungs going.

So you're ready to warm up.

That's right.

Yeah.

I mean, that's just, that just makes perfect sense.

I have a couple of

Dan Schaefer

pints.

There you go.

Jane Mattenair

We're going to do vacation eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two.

Cassandra, I vacationed to work three days.

week.

Sorry about that Cassandra.

Hopefully you got away from work a little bit.

Go

Greg Bach

on vacation.

Jane Mattenair

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Laurie from Hayward just texting in.

We were in Jane's favorite place.

That could be a couple places.

Greg Bach

I was going to say, were we talking, are we talking?

Jane Mattenair

It

Greg Bach

could

Jane Mattenair

be Bayfield.

Could be Butternut.

Could be Butternut.

Could be Hayward.

Amory.

Amory.

Amory.

Could be the Pine Lake Resort.

They're just north of, north of Amory.

The, it's pretty fabulous.

Greg Bach

Butternut Lake.

in Butternut at the Pine Lake Resorts.

That's awesome.

But yes, your favorite, most favorite place in the world.

It's Bayfield.

No, Waldrog.

Oh, yes.

Jane Mattenair

Corey, for me, we're also texting in.

When the kids were younger, we went to Jane's favorite place, Wall, South Dakota.

My aunt and uncle lived there.

We had to go and visit Waldrog.

My aunt worked for wall drug for years and years.

My uncle worked for the city of wall.

We had a wonderful family reunion there.

That is great.

That is so great, Lori.

Greg Bach

So I like to admit things on this show, my ignorance of certain things.

And I'm going to give you a geographic confession here.

I did not know wall was an actual place.

I thought the, I thought wall drug

Jane Mattenair

was just

Greg Bach

called wall drug.

I didn't realize there's a place, there's a place in South Dakota where they just said,

Let's

Jane Mattenair

call it Wall.

It

Greg Bach

had to have been a guy named like Steve Wall or something.

It could not have been just like, you know what I really like?

I know what you're thinking.

Walls, it just makes no sense to me.

But all right, Wall Drug.

Now, thank you, Laurie.

Thank you for telling us.

Yeah,

Jane Mattenair

that's really funny, Laurie.

Were you surprised by the prices in England?

Dan Schaefer

Um, no, not really.

I mean, I knew it was going to be an expensive place.

Jane Mattenair

Uh, I rate not necessarily working in the dollars favor right

Dan Schaefer

now.

I went to England once before, uh, when I was in college and the exchange exchange rate was worse than,

Greg Bach

so no kidding.

I remember I went there and it was like, it was like, you went over, you went over there, you were half, you had half the money.

Dan Schaefer

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

So when I went in college, it was very expensive.

I went in like 2007, I want to say.

Yeah.

So I actually took a picture of me in front of Westminster Abbey, an identical picture from 2007 into now in 2025.

I'll have to show you that picture.

Jane Mattenair

You look

Dan Schaefer

exactly the

Jane Mattenair

same.

I bet you do.

Not quite.

That's your pretty darn close.

Greg Bach

I didn't do any vacationing this summer.

Jane Mattenair

I know you didn't.

And you do.

I'll go next year.

You get vacation, too.

You know, I'll go next year.

Dan Schaefer

We took a great family road trip a couple of years ago,

Jane Mattenair

too.

I

Dan Schaefer

love a family road trip.

So we get getting everybody into the car.

We did a road trip through Michigan.

So we went kind of a whole loop around.

We went to Detroit and then we went up to Trevor City and then up to Mackinaw and then back down through the U.P.

It was really nice summer

Greg Bach

road trip.

the UP, that's a good drive from me down.

Oh my gosh.

Yes.

That's when did you as the father, the man of the man in the house, I won't say of the house with man in the house.

Did you at any point during the drive go, we're making really good time here.

Dan Schaefer

Oh, I have every dad cliche.

Turn this car around.

Otherwise we're making really good time.

Stop touching your sister.

Yes, that's

Jane Mattenair

right.

Stop it.

Stop it.

Stop it.

Dan Schaefer

Yeah,

Jane Mattenair

I told you to go before we left.

She's looking at me.

I'm driving.

Dan Schaefer

So it's my music.

Jane Mattenair

Isn't it amazing the things you hear come out of your mouth when you become a parent?

I know, right?

Your parents told you that you swore you would never do to your own kids and you just can't help it.

Yeah.

Dan Schaefer, subscribe to the fabulous Reconpopulation Area.

Dan is also Civic Media's political editor and he joins us every Friday for a little Reconpopulation.

You also make appearances all over the network.

So thank you so much for your time.

Appreciate it.

Thanks for having me.

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as one does.

The Tuscaloosa Police Department asking the public for help in solving a cartoonish mystery art.

Tuscaloosa Police Department say that an individual dressed in a Scooby-Doo costume broke into a quick stop over the weekend stealing cash and coins, no snacks.

No scooby snacks.

No scooby sticks.

Yeah.

Only cash and coins.

He didn't have the he had a green ski mask on.

This is

Greg Buck

kind of ruins the look.

Yeah.

There's one picture when you pull up the web the website and he's wearing the full costume with the hood on and then you scroll down and he's wearing a ski mask.

Just and the hood's down like it ruins the

Jane Matt

whole.

Costume

Greg Buck

now he just looks like one of the he literally looks like one of the villains from the cartoon So I'm expecting when the cops find him and to sit him down and pull the mask off And I'm like it was old man Jenkins the entire time.

I think he

Jane Matt

just looks like a big guy in a onesie Yeah, they're comfy alright, it's like wearing a big well, I guess when you're going to work you want to be

You don't want to be too constricted.

Greg Buck

Honey, where's my burglary onesie?

I need that.

I'm taking

Jane Matt

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Is that in the wash again?

Oh, man.

That is a hang dry only.

Investigators say this aspect appears to be a white male around five foot nine with long ears.

I don't know.

He is still on the run.

Again, he got away with cash and coins.

But no snacks.

Greg Buck

If you approach him, if you see him and you do want to approach him, make sure you have snacks, scratch behind his ears.

He'll he'll probably go there and just make sure you give him treats if you call him over.

That's an important way to reinforce good behaviors.

Exactly.

Call him over, give him a treat and say, yes, good boy.

And then call the cops.

You've solved the mystery that wraps up today's episode

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For such a time as this, Andra Watkins is here.

Good morning, Andra.

So good to see you.

Andra Watkins

Good morning, everybody.

It's great to be here.

Jane Matt

There's a lot to talk about.

Andra Watkins

There always

Jane Matt

is

Andra Watkins

these days,

Unknown Speaker

right?

Andra Watkins

Yes,

Jane Matt

there certainly is.

Andra, by the way, in case you have never heard, Andra, she's been a guest on our show before.

But Andra grew up in a white nationalist household.

And so has really interesting insights, I think that a lot of us don't have just because of your background.

We've talked to you in the past about Christian nationalism and how important they were in the writing of Project 2025.

And now we have Pete Hegseth, the head of the Department of Defense, who made headlines last week.

He shared a video on social media showing his church pastors, the communion of reformed evangelical churches.

His pastor thinks that women shouldn't have the right to vote.

Andra Watkins

And many white Christian nationalists men subscribe to this view.

I applaud CNN for

featuring these people, even though they featured them as some sort of really extremist outlier group.

But what I want people to understand is there are millions of Americans who subscribe to these viewpoints.

People have done, the Pew Research Organization has done a study of how many American Christians are radicalized Christian nationalists.

And I ran some numbers and it could be anywhere from 20 million to 60 million Americans who are radicalized.

Maybe every single one of them don't think that women should have the right to vote repealed and the 19th Amendment repealed.

But there are millions and millions of Doug Wilson's.

and his weak, pathetic, Christian nationalist brethren that you met on CNN in the United States today.

So please don't take that interview, and Pete hags this response to it as being, well, these are just a few wackos.

It's millions and millions of Americans, and we have to take this radicalized religious extremism seriously.

Jane Matt

And the preparation for this has been going on for decades.

This movement has been around and kind of operating in the background for a long, long time.

Andra Watkins

50 years.

They've been working toward this for 50 years.

So this kind of indoctrination is very commonplace in Christian nationalism where men are the heads of the home.

And women submit to them which they talked about in the interview talked about it very proudly but they Expand that to all women are supposed to submit to men that that's the common order of society We you know in my lifetime Women have gained a huge number of rights that for much of history women did not have There were rules from medieval times at least that were called Coverture

that governed women's existence and so women were owned by the men in their lives.

Unknown Speaker

They

Andra Watkins

weren't separate people.

Women went from being their fathers being responsible to them for them if they didn't have a father than an uncle or a brother was responsible for them until they married and then their husbands were responsible for them and they were subsumed into their husbands.

asset class of things that they owned and if they lost their husband and weren't remarried right away then their father or their brother or their uncle or some other man became responsible for them.

So in my lifetime we've seen women be able to get away from that kind of ownership and do things like own property and have bank accounts and get their own credit.

and be able to have jobs and careers.

And these are all things that these Christian nationalist men want to take back and remove from women.

So it's not just about being in the home and submitting.

It's women submit to men everywhere, all the time, just like.

you know in Afghanistan with a tower being

Jane Matt

back to the good old days essentially

Andra Watkins

yeah yeah good old days for white christian nationalist men

Jane Matt

yeah for white men yes that times were great when you were me uh great

Greg Bach

i got nothing to say i don't represent the white men of any i'm just i'm just me i'm i'm i'm no i'm i

Jane Matt

i

Greg Bach

Two things one I whenever we talk about the context of white men, which I am one of those individuals and I apologize I always try to put myself into that thinking of How do you even come to that place?

I guess I can never because I was never and I'll say it indoctrinated trained you think that way the notion of

Women as property or women as subservient or I am the head of this or I am in charge I was never raised in that kind of household from start to finish So it makes no sense to me But one of the things I really want to push home on this Andrew is yet that the calculations of how many people believe in this but also the fact that Pete Hegseth would retweet this 10 15 years ago, this would never happen You you you may believe it, but you're not dumb enough or bold enough or maybe both

to say something out loud.

What we are seeing now are politicians, influencers, journalists who agree with this and say it either like, well, I don't know.

It's of every family's different or they come right out and say it.

So it's not, it's, it is absolutely not the fringe wackos.

It is in our politicians.

It is in our journalism.

It is in our everyday life.

And I'm not saying, oh, you might, the person on your right might believe in that.

But what I'm saying is, is you can't, you can't discount the idea that

People who are voting on laws that represent us have these opinions because as you said, Andrew, it's been 50 years.

It has been it has been though.

It has been waiting in the tall grass.

So don't think these people are wackos who should be ignored.

They are not the fringe.

They are the they are the mainstream to a certain extent.

Andra Watkins

Yes, they are and or they're being mainstream,

Unknown Speaker

right?

Yeah,

Andra Watkins

no one of the things that they've done really well.

that I've talked about a lot is they had this private way of talking where they'd say things like this amongst themselves and they wouldn't get in front of a camera or a microphone and say them.

Now that they're consolidating power, they feel like they can bring more of their private crazy, their private extremism out into the public sphere and pound their chests and be proud of it.

And so that's what you see Pete Hegseth doing even three years ago, Greg.

They would not have gotten in front of a microphone or a camera or put something like this on social media.

The head of the Department of Defense would not have done that.

But now they feel like they're consolidating enough power and there are enough of them in the right positions that they can say things like this, that they can try to even more mainstream these thoughts and these beliefs and try to force them into our public spaces and into our laws.

And that's what their goals are.

You know, that's what Doug Wilson wants.

Unknown Speaker

Yes.

Andra Watkins

He wants a Christian nationalist theocracy and he says that readily, but so does Russell vote who's the head of the Office of Management and Budget and controls now the purse strings of the entire federal government.

He only believes that white Christian nationalist men should be politicians and should be working in government and he's gone on the record is saying that.

So they're very publicly saying things now that they would only say privately even two or three years ago It's frightening but Americans have to stop being complacent and realize that this isn't just a small cadre of crazy people it's millions and millions of Americans

Greg Bach

If you're just joining us, you'll listen to Matt Naranair on the Civic Media Radio Network.

We are speaking with Andrew Walkins, who is a New York Times bestselling author, also has a wonderful sub-stack called For Such a Time as This.

And Andrew, I think also, I think that's a great way you put it, the mainstreaming of this idea.

I also think something that we need to combat

is also the fact that we just have so much information coming at us at all time.

It's every day there is a controversial thing out there.

Someone has said something that's surely going to get someone in trouble and they don't get in trouble because two hours later something else happens.

So Pete Hegseth tweeting this retweeting this person out.

It's awful, it's terrible, but

an hour later, the people who are outraged are moving on to something else because they're either picking their kids up or they're watching a different news story.

So I guess the question I have is how do people then engage in these topics in a, in a meaningful, relative way to keep them fresh, essentially, because like we're trying not to let people forget about Epstein.

We're trying to not let people forget about the big, beautiful bill for billionaires, but it's tough.

Andra Watkins

But it's all connected.

So, you know, the people who are pushing all of these things are pushing all of these things at once.

And a lot of these things are being done as distractions to keep us from paying attention to the MAGA murder law now that's stripping our safety nets and our health care and other things away so that billionaires can have tax breaks.

A lot of this other stuff is theater for that.

But you have to understand that the people in the background in the administration who were really in charge who were really implementing this Use the president because he's really good at keeping people distracted

Unknown Speaker

and

Andra Watkins

outraged and giving us things to chase So you know my advice to Americans is don't even pay attention to him

I very seldom write about him or talk about him.

You know, I keep the attention on these people in the background who were really in charge of implementing this stuff.

So rather than talk about Pete Hexeth, I try to talk about the Christian nationalist men who are behind people like Pete Hexeth, who are encouraging them to have these opinions and keep the pressure on them and keep people paying attention to them because

They are the real problems, and that's who we should be talking about every day.

Jane Matt

As

Andra Watkins

part of the attention.

Jane Matt

Of the bigger picture, yeah,

Andra Watkins

most

Jane Matt

definitely.

And I think it's important.

Going back to something you said, that this effort to mainstream this Christian nationalist view has been going on for decades.

That's been going on for 50 years.

And the Duggars, remember the Duggar family with their 9,000 children and all the controversies that followed that.

Amazon has a great piece called Shiny Happy People about the Duggars and that whole movement.

That was the quiverful movement.

They're all kind of interconnected, right?

As far as women being second.

class citizens.

And essentially, we're just there to have, we're there to deliver babies, which Pete Hegg says, favorite pastor says, requires no skill.

Andra Watkins

Right.

And women are just, you know, people who produce other people, it just doesn't require any talent.

Yeah, yeah, we're just vessels and chattel.

And that's really all we're good for.

So, you know, that is a key component of whatever flavor of Christian nationalism.

you're touting or they're touting um one of the things that I say a lot of the times when I come on here though is these people all hate each other internally so Doug Wilson doesn't believe that women should have any leadership role in the church as an example so he hates

the dominionist new apostolic reformation faction where people like Paula White Kane who have the ear of the president can be in leadership positions.

So there's going to at some point be a huge ruption between these factions because they don't agree about a lot of things.

Jane Matt

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We are joined by Andrew Watkins.

She is a New York Times best-selling author and also has a great sub-stack called For Such a Time as This and has been watching very closely the increasing

Influence of Christian nationalism in the Trump administration thanks to some of the authors of Project 2025.

We now have these Christian nationalist members within the Trump administration working in the administration.

Pete Hegseth, the head of the Defense Department retweeted his favorite pastor last week, Doug Wilson, who doesn't think women should have the right to vote.

Let's go back to the good old days, like the 1800s when everything was ducky.

Andra, you have a really good column that you shared about what we can do to fight back against this and who our defenders need to be.

I think this is really an important message.

Andrew Watkins (guest)

And I want to go back to Greg's comment about apologizing for being a white man.

You shouldn't apologize for being a white man, Greg.

You're one of the men.

who could be standing up to this right now, which you are, but Christian nationalist men are trained not to listen to women.

They do not listen to women speak.

They do not give women opportunities to talk.

They do not hear women.

I said earlier today to someone else.

Women to them are like the Charlie Brown cartoons.

And when adults talk in the Charlie Brown cartoons, it's,

It's a second annoying annoying noise and to white Christian nationalist men That's women talking and also to white Christian nationalist women They are indoctrinated to only listen to men and to the other white Christian nationalist women that those white Christian nationalist men tell them to listen to so they don't listen to any other women either besides the women those men tell them to listen to

So it's really important.

Women can fight back against this and we are.

But men have to stand up to this and say, this is not acceptable.

We are not going to sit back and watch you white Christian nationalist men attack our women, attack other women, remove rights from women.

oppress women, tell women they can't vote, tell women they can't have bodily autonomy.

And it's really important for men to get that message right now because Heather Cox Richardson wrote a few months ago about the Taliban and how when they first came in

Greg Bach (contributor)

in

Andrew Watkins (guest)

Afghanistan, they took rights away from women.

Women are practically enslaved in their homes now in Afghanistan and can't even leave their homes without a male relative who's an escort for them.

But now in the past few months, the Taliban have switched to men.

They tell men how to wear their beards.

They tell men how to dress.

They give men tickets if they don't go to temple, to Islamic temple, a certain number of times a month, because they're required to be there.

And if they miss a certain number of times now, they can be jailed and fined.

I bet they don't like that.

And the men, the men are saying, what is this?

You know, we didn't want this kind of control and we wish we had stepped up a couple of years ago or more when they were taking rights away from women now.

We didn't realize they'd come after us.

So men realize that these men will come after you too and step up now and defend women because you're the only people they might listen to and you're the people who might be able to stop them.

Greg Bach (contributor)

And that's something that completely aligns with an idea we have talked about for a long time now, which is, yes, you may support this.

You may think some of these ideas are great coming out of the Trump administration, but eventually they will affect you too.

And then we're already seeing people who were saying, I didn't vote for this.

Yes, you did.

Own it.

and let's move on together but you have to own the fact that you voted for this and it'll affect you eventually someday and you standing there going well I didn't know this was going to happen I don't like this you don't but here we are let's move together and let's go forward but yes that is an amazing example and

We yes, we see it all the time people was like I just I just didn't know this was gonna happen to us I'm like well, that's that doesn't matter anymore.

We got it.

We got to work well and admit that you were lied to yes that

Jane Matt Nair (host)

you were lied to that's probably the hardest part

Andrew Watkins (guest)

Well, and it's funny to me to watch somebody like Marjorie Taylor Green now

who is a woman who has voted for all of this, who has enabled all of this, and suddenly it seems like scales are falling off of her eyes and she's realizing that enabling all of these white Christian nationalist men and supporting them and parroting what they say is not giving her more power.

It's not elevating her any further.

I think she realizes that at some point she's gonna be told, you've served your purpose, go back home and stay at home now.

And so that...

is what a few of these women I think are starting to see.

But they're coming for all of us and they will eventually come for you men.

So stand up now.

Say no now.

It's imperative that you do.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

Andrew Watkins is a New York Times best-selling author, has an incredible sub-stack.

I highly encourage you to subscribe.

It's called For Such a Time as This.

We will include a link in our show notes.

Andrew Watkins, thank you so very much.

Really, really appreciate your insight.

We will see you next month.

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Right now, we are delighted to be joined by Robert Pilot.

He is the host of Native Roots Radio and has one of the best voices on the planet.

In fact, I'm going to be sending you my refrigerator manual, Robert, so you can record it.

And then I can play it at night when I'm trying to fall asleep.

Robert Pilot, I see you.

Good morning, Robert.

Robert Pilot

Easy, easy.

Thanks for having me on.

That was awesome.

I'm really glad to be here and talk about some things.

And I just got to give a quick shout out to Civic Media for really amplifying native bits radio all over Wisconsin too.

So just want to give a shout out to Civic Media right away before I forget because

I have a good memory, but it's short.

Jane Matt Nair

Hey, I'm with you on that.

By the way, Native Roots Radio airs across the network from eight to nine weeknights here on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Fantastic show.

Robert is the host again, Native Roots Radio here across the network weeknights from eight to nine on Civic Media.

Robert, one of the reasons why we wanted to talk to you was about the recent decision

of to cut the corporation for public broadcasting.

Yeah, that helps pay for PBS and PR, 1500 local radio and TV stations, of course, programs like Sesame Street and so many more.

And public radio has really been critically important for our native populations for a long time, correct?

Robert Pilot

Oh, absolutely.

And, you know, we do a native radio does the best of on W O J B in Hayward.

and 45% of their budget has been cut.

And that's 100,000 watt station that covers three different states.

And so that's significant.

And just in Wisconsin, other than tribal stations, there's been 40 stations will be affected in Wisconsin and over two dozen in Minnesota.

And I know specifically for me, I do a show

I'm on five days a week and I do a show once a month called Little Moments Count and we bring in experts about, you know, how to raise your kids and talk to your kids from, you know, age zero to seven years old.

And that's funded by NPR here.

They pay for that when they come on native Ritz radio.

And so it affects me.

just to a degree, but it's also, it's frightening to see our partners out there and people speaking the truth be cut like this.

And it's just, you know, half the game plan or I think I heard three quarters of the game plan of 2020 2025 is completed now.

So we are definitely China right now.

And we're heading towards Russia.

So

We need to be careful and the one thing I always like to talk about a native roots radio to is not only solutions and how we're taking care of ourselves and Caught you know calls to action, but also that Native Americans are used to this.

This is nothing new to us and Not that surprising but also, you know when we try to

You know my tribe specifically Ho-Chunk Nation.

I was a legislator for four years for Ho-Chunk Nation and the week after Trump took over We lost something like eight million dollars and we had to lay off 80 people in the health care system And so it affects everything even though we want to say it doesn't but it does

Greg Bach

well, and that's something Robert that

For me, I kind of put it out there into the world on social media and I know first mistake is to say, justify this for me.

Tell me why cutting this funding is fiscally responsible slash making America great again, if you will.

And someone came back at me to say, well, it's because of their model.

They weren't making money and they didn't, they didn't adopt platforms like online and all these fiscal excuses.

But when I looked it up myself,

Donald Trump has flatly come out and said that PBS, you know, where Mr. Rogers lives and NPR are liberal woke bastions of indoctrination.

So this isn't about a business model or about finance.

This is about, as you just mentioned, messages that can be perceived as a threat to power and to a threat to quote their version of America.

So I don't think it's about finance.

It's about about silencing voices.

Robert Pilot

Well, that's true.

They wouldn't be sending troops to Washington or LA They'd be sending them to Tennessee into these places where crime has gone up So it's all about attacking the blue states and and people that don't Feel the same the way that president does so it's just a it's an attack one of the things Jane and Greg I'd like to ask you as an interviewer.

I I you know

I was a big Bernie guy, you know, and I wonder how he's getting all these things done where our democratic relatives couldn't seem to get anything done.

So how is he getting all this done?

And so that makes me pause too.

And again, you know, there's an old saying with the Native Americans is, you know, the left wing and the right wing are from the same bird.

And so that's what we've been dealing with for 500 years here as Native Americans, but we cannot run now on one issue.

I mean vote we cannot vote on one issue and I think that's what happened the last the last time around is that?

People were talking about Gaza and things like that were no look what's happening right now You know the first presidency that Trump had he was recorded.

I think 65,000 lies and in four years.

Yeah, he was

Calvin Butenoff

busy

Robert Pilot

But well, it's it's amazing too, because all his followers now, uh, appeared to be doing that too.

And I remember there was a hat that came out when he was first elected that said, uh, make racists afraid again.

Well, they're not there.

They're, uh, with the mainstream media and, um, you know, they're, they're getting the thumbs up to do whatever they want.

And that's the really most disappointing thing for me.

And that's why shows like yours.

Ours and being on civic media is so so important is because you as we spit out the you know there's five companies that own 95% of the airs and we know who owns civic media we know who owns am 950.

You're talking to the people that that do that and so it's frightening times but it's important that Jane and Greg and Robert do not give up.

Jane Matt Nair

We got to keep talking about it.

I mean, it is about making sure that the accurate information is out there.

And I want, for my estimation, Democrats seeded a lot of territory for a really long time.

And at least in the case of AM Radio, allowed the right wing to dominate AM Radio for decades.

decades and decades.

And so for many areas, especially in rural communities, that became the only source for information.

And Civic Media's goal is to provide accurate information for people who might not be getting it otherwise.

And I think PBS was the same thing.

They reported facts.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

Who did we hear that from so many times?

Greg Bach

Over and over and

Jane Matt Nair

over again.

By the way, if you're just joining us, Robert Pilat is our guest.

He's the host of Native Roots Radio, which airs across the network Monday through Friday from 8 to 9

Greg Bach

p.m.

Robert, what you're saying now is so interesting because we just spoke to Andrew Watkins on the topic of white Christian nationalism, nationalism, making its way into the mainstream of our government, our halls of power, whether it's TV, radio, government, all those things and everything you are talking about connects to the conversation there.

You talk about the fact that native folks have been getting this sort of treatment for so long and now

people who you know people who would agree with the the uplift of native folks tribes the issues that you face on a daily basis are now saying you're going how can they do that to us well now native folks saying yeah they've been doing to it for a long time where were you this whole time and also the question of Democrats versus Republicans that is such a huge question to ask and I think for me the immediate answer not not an answer but something that provides

maybe some context of the conversation is I feel like Democrats underestimated so many things for so long.

And I think with regard to what you said, Jane, as for decades, AM radio was the place for this information.

We counted that as the fringe.

We counted that those individuals as well, they're saying crazy things.

That's too crazy.

That's not America.

Not fringe.

And as Andrew said in the previous hour, this is not fringe.

This is mainstream.

That's

who is in charge now, because they were listening to these people for five decades.

Robert Pilot

I don't know how I could do this.

I, you know, I'm 64 years old.

So I my South Park era was, you know, 20 years ago.

But now, how are they the only media out there?

That's taking care of really what we need to talk about.

It's crazy.

CBS bowed down.

Uh, you know, and again, mainstream media is, is normalized all this and, and it's saying it's okay to be racist again.

Jane Matt Nair

Well, and.

The reckoning is going to be coming again.

It's this, well, they're not going to touch me.

I did what he asked.

We did what the president wanted.

We did the thing, whatever the thing was.

So therefore we're going to be safe.

That's not how it works.

Robert Pilot

Right.

That's not how it works.

I don't know any billionaires and we are with the wrong people, Robert.

We're not hanging out with the right people.

Everybody's fair game now.

So they don't know that, you know, uh, you know, it, it's just crazy.

I have a sister-in-law who's a teacher in New York and guess who she voted for.

You know, I mean, in New York City, where it's a melt out of people, you're voting against your own interests, your own, your own students.

It's, it's just an amazing thing that's happened.

What is,

Jane Matt Nair

what is her justification, Robert?

What does she say?

Robert Pilot

Oh, let me tell you this.

This is what drives my wife crazy because she's in New York or two and.

About her sister and hopefully her sister is not listening, but probably not.

She's listening to Fox is she wanted to How did she put that she she wanted to?

You know support her husband her husband's a raving Republican so Yeah, hello 1950 55

Greg Bach

What were we just talking about last hour?

I'm not kidding you, Robert.

Your conversation, the discussion we were having right now is like a part two to what we were talking about with Andrew Watkins.

This idea of the woman's vote reflects her husband because, well, he's my husband.

And that when you say that line says,

He's the head of the house and he's the he is the one in charge and he knows better.

Jane Matt Nair

We're going to continue

Greg Bach

our

Jane Matt Nair

conversation with Robert Pilots on the other side.

He's the host of native roots radio.

Keep it right here.

You're listening to the civic media radio network.

We will be right back.

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is here.

We were talking about the recent cuts to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and what that is going to mean, particularly for our native populations, which get a lot of their information from NPR.

And we had a text come in from Troy from Mount Horrib.

Greg, when Robert said about your sister,

Uh, we both sighed audibly.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There was, oh, I don't even know what to do with that.

Greg Bach

And before we went to the commercial, you, you wanted to say something, Robert, I wanted to give you the opportunity to continue that thought.

Robert Pilot

Yeah.

Thanks a lot.

I just remembered what she said to my wife and that was, I want to honor my husband.

And I'm going, what year is this?

1951 and, um,

Yeah, it's just a mind-blowing situation and I just don't know how to respond We don't talk any politics when I'm in New York because I do a lot of my show from New York Long Island and I Just saw them the last time I was there and we didn't talk any and but I did talk to her husband and just say I Did say I'd speak my opinion.

He asked me how are things going and I told him and what did he

Jane Matt Nair

say?

Robert Pilot

He somewhat agreed which kind of really surprised me.

So if that's any indication of what's happening and I believe it is an indication that people are waking up to it and that's why the gerrymandering is going to be happening in Texas.

They're worried about 2026 and they should be but we also have to keep talking about.

keep talking about issues.

And that's the thing that Native Ritz radio in a native perspective, it keeps talking about the issues.

And it's hard because people like I'm sure Greg and Eugene have gotten really worn out by all this going on every day, every day, there's something, you know, I again, you know, there's things like

He wanted the, you know, the Washington team to bring back the racist name,

Unidentified

you know,

Robert Pilot

all these things.

And I try to, when I post on social media, which I'm on Blue Sky too, and trying to really combat the ex-experience with Blue Sky.

But every time I post something, it's political.

It's like, he's on the list is what I end it with.

Greg Bach

Well, and, and that's, I mean, it's one of the reasons why we've started doing audio sorbet towards the end of the show is because if we were to talk about this stuff two hours a day, five days a week, there comes a point of burnout.

So that little bit of time where we can all come together, have a little bit of laugh, have a little bit of brevity and a little or levity, then that's the important thing.

And, and.

Going back to what you just said about your brother-in-law or your your sister-in-law's husband We also spoke spoke to Andrew about that and people are starting to wake up and say I didn't vote for this This is not what I wanted but in fact you did He didn't really hide a whole lot of what he was going to do He made it very clear what he wanted to accomplish, but he lied about a lot of stuff too

Well, because that's what he does.

Yes.

And the fact that they don't know by now that he is a pathological terminal liar, that's something that they have to justify with themselves.

But also that notion of what you said your sister-in-law, her reason for voting for Trump was to honor her husband.

And I wonder,

Was she the type of person 10 years ago who would have said those words specifically?

I want to honor my husband or is it because of this administration and this movement?

People are feeling that they need to do these things.

They're feeling an obligation to honor the family, therefore honor the husband who is the head of the household and he is in charge.

Robert Pilot

Well, and if you're listening to the rhetoric that's going on, you know, we have somebody that's in the administration that wants to get rid of women's right to vote.

Oh,

Jane Matt Nair

yeah, we were just talking about that.

Yes.

Yep.

Robert Pilot

Yeah.

Yeah.

So that that's that's where we are right now.

But again, hopefully people are waking up.

And I mean, when I march to the Capitol here in St.

Paul,

You know after the murders of an assassination of our of our leaders here Hortman and her husband, you know, they wanted to call it off But there was 80,000 people at the Capitol that same day.

So people want to be engaged and do things I just want our politicians to snap out of it and more AOC more Bernie more governor They're from California that governor governor more of that is what we need

And call, call a, you know, call the kettle black.

Jane Matt Nair

Yeah.

Robert Pilot

This playing

Jane Matt Nair

nice, this, this trying to play nice to get along, go along to get along is, is not the way to go forward.

That is not the answer to the mess that we're in.

Robert Pilot

And they're not playing by the rules.

Jane Matt Nair

Right.

Greg Bach

Exactly.

Exactly.

And I will say this, whatever is happening to Marjorie Taylor Green right now, I don't know what's happening.

It could all change tomorrow, but it's the.

Watching someone's eyes open in real time to what is going on in the world because of the things she has helped put.

That is what we're going to see from more people in the news saying, I didn't vote for this.

I didn't want this.

Well, it's what you got.

Jane Matt Nair

Robert Pilot is the host of Native Roots Radio, which you can catch across the network weeknights from eight to nine.

And by the way, Robert Ardeth on a live stream says, I agree with Jane about Robert Pilot's glorious voice.

It is the most soothing sound on radio.

I'll be sending you my Kitchen Man, my Whirlpool washer Kitchen Man or manual so you can read it for me and then I can play it when I try to fall asleep.

I'd appreciate

Robert Pilot

that.

Well, a big peeney.

Thank you so much for having me on and keep up the good work and keep keep fighting.

Really

Jane Matt Nair

appreciate it, Robert.

Thank you so very much.

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When we return, sillier things so we can take a breath.

Audio Sorbet, sweet versus dill pickles.

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