Where Is The Outrage? (Hour 1)

good morning and welcome welcome to Matt Nair on air Jane Matt Nair Greg Bach Dominic Lee on the board coming to you live from respectively

our home here at Radio Park in Racine.

Dom is headquartered in the Civic Media World headquarters in Madison this morning.

Good morning, Dom.

Calvin's got a vacation.

I know.

Where's he at?

How did this happen?

So, okay, so there's a process where you have to submit paperwork requests through HR, through a website.

And then what happens is they review those days to make sure that everything is good.

Then they say yes or no.

And for Calvin, I guess they said, yeah.

Well,

we are delighted to have you here, Phil and Dominic.

Thank you

so much for covering for Calvin, who's taking some well deserved time off.

So no

problem.

It's

really important.

It's important that we all take a break.

Yeah,

we

take a breath.

We try to take a break every day on this

show.

Yes, we do.

Absolutely.

So thank you for joining us this morning.

We do have a busy show for you coming up.

Jim Santel, our friend and colleague and host of Amicus, a Law Review.

Saturday mornings across the network here on Civic Media from 9 to 11, he will join us.

After the 9.30 news, there are continuing questions about Jelaine Maxwell, the convicted sex trafficker getting moved to club.

fed and apparently I've seen reports now that she gets to have work release.

Which I'm just going to ask the question to him and to the world.

Who's hiring her besides the Trump administration?

Good point.

Maybe there's a cabinet spawn

waiting for her somewhere.

And also the decision by the Trump administration to crack down now on the homeless population in Washington DC.

I have questions about some of the legalities of this.

And where they think they're going to put all these people?

And one of the big questions we'll talk with Jim about is that this whole situation flies in the face of not only law that's been precedent, but also Supreme Court decisions.

And if you talk to people who work with the homeless community, rounding them up and sending them to jail, isn't the answer.

That's not going

to fix the homeless problem we have in this country.

You know, it would really help housing.

Yeah,

I mean that would that might help

because I think what they I think what they believe is is rounding them up and throwing them either into institutions or into jail or just out of the city.

All of that is free.

Yeah, right.

That's all that doesn't cost anything.

That's that's a that's a

It's a pass.

We get a pass on the cost on that one.

We get a one-time punch on the punch card.

There you go.

That's our free sandwich, I guess.

That's our free

sandwich.

Good to know.

Well, we're going to talk about that and many other things with Jim Santel coming up after 9.30.

Hour number two at 10.35, the Acme packing company sports guru Paul Noonan will be here.

I think we may talk.

Oh 12 wins in a row in free burgers, baby free burgers free burgers That's really amazing The win happened yesterday the burgers did not happen yesterday.

Yeah

That's coming.

I believe so.

Yes.

That is coming.

I'm not up to speed.

I did not know that this was still actually a thing they did because I remember this happening.

We'll talk about this with Paul, but I remember what happened when I was young.

I didn't realize that this was a standing order from the corporations of George Webbs.

Yes.

So we'll talk all things sports with Paul Noonan in hour number two.

We'll wrap up the show as we always do with this.

It shouldn't be a thing today.

It's the freeze edition.

like the hand gesture.

It's great.

On the live stream.

I was gonna say on radio, it's great.

But hey, that's what you get when you get us in your life.

On the live stream, you get act outs, you get faces.

Sometimes there's chair dancing.

Sometimes there's chair dancing.

Sometimes there's just utter disbelief with.

had the hands cupped over faces.

You never

know.

Exactly.

But yes, you can always join us on the live stream on Facebook, YouTube and what used to be Twitter.

Wanted to start off with some updates on the flooding in southeastern Wisconsin.

This is an ongoing nightmare for thousands and thousands of people all the way from Menominee Falls to Franklin out west to areas like

I'm drawing a blank, but yes, there were communities further out to the west where people had their basements collapse.

The Red Cross has set up two shelters in Milwaukee.

One is on the near north side.

The other is on the south side to help out folks who've been displaced by the flooding.

Dozens of people have sought assistance at the shelters.

This is according to the Wisconsin Examiner.

The two locations recently consolidated now into one shelter.

that is operating out of Marshall High School.

But as days go on, again, the majority of the flooding happened Saturday night into Sunday, but the news just gets worse.

If you look at, if you read any of the papers, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Wisconsin Public Radio and some of the photos that people are sharing with their basement walls collapsed.

I mean, you have

it's just it's gone.

Yeah.

PJ on the live stream says West Bend has flooding problems.

Also, the West Bend library was damaged.

It's just hitting so hard.

And I had a discussion with Brittany Merlot yesterday, and it is a matter of just the sheer amount of moisture that's coming into the air that's trapped in those clouds.

And I it's going to sound political, but this isn't this is our earth.

This has to do with

Climate change global warming the degrees going up every year more Heat provides more moisture more moisture goes in the clouds it gets released out of the clouds and she likened it to how much do you go to the bathroom if you drink a cup of water versus how much if you drink a gallon of water that was her comparison really good comparison honestly made sense to and this is now something that we have to get used to this is going to become the new normal on this kind of rainfall

And we need to stay prepared whether you are an individual looking to get flood insurance, which is a whole nother discussion.

It's a dicey proposition, but also what can municipalities do to prepare themselves?

But on top of that, then we have to talk about the partnerships we need to have with the states and the federal government.

And we've got a federal government that doesn't want to pay out FEMA money anymore.

They're still waiting in Texas, North Carolina, Arkansas.

Like it is.

This is not a matter of like this is this is this also shouldn't be a political thing when people are hurting.

We have FEMA for a reason they should be helping us and to say that they shouldn't to say that the states are on their own is very against the idea of a United States.

Yeah, well, and Governor Evers now has submitted.

paperwork to the federal government asking for assistance from FEMA whether or not the Trump administration will declare it a disaster remains to be seen.

I heard Pat on Todd all the show yesterday and Pat said, you know, I could absolutely see the Trump administration giving assistance to Washington, Waukesha and Ozaki counties, the wild counties, but not Milwaukee County.

Well, I mean, if you if you want to get on if you want to get on that

train, then I can simply point out the fact that two out of three elections where he was on the ballot, Wisconsin voted for him.

But again, Texas voted for him three times Arkansas voted for him three times North Carolina that it really doesn't matter.

And that's that lens to the conversation we've had in the past few months regarding it doesn't matter if you supported him now, right?

You voted for him.

He's not helping you, but we voted for him.

It doesn't matter.

He doesn't want to give you the money.

And he's somehow convinced the people of America, the news outlets and the staff he has curated that is absolutely loyalist to him, that what he is doing is the right choice.

And that FEMA is not something we need in the first place.

Well, that is incorrect.

is incorrect.

Well, and we're seeing it in real time.

We're seeing it happen in real time.

Also another really sad story that was in today's Milwaukee Journal sentinel from Kathy Kozlovic.

Germantown man dies, wife hospitalized because of suspected carbon monoxide poisoning.

Yes.

This was an elderly couple, a 74 year old Germantown man died, his 74 year old wife hospitalized.

Officials did detect carbon monoxide.

in their home.

They do say that when firefighters entered, their carbon monoxide detectors went off.

There was a generator powering some appliances inside the attached garage.

We talked about this a little bit yesterday.

Carbon monoxide is deadly to humans.

And if you have a generator, we have a gas power generator, you have to operate it outside.

because it emits that carbon dioxide which builds up in your house and that will kill you.

Monoxide or dioxide?

Carbon monoxide.

Monoxide,

monoxide, yeah.

And this is where we want to just remind folks to be in touch.

with your neighbors.

And I don't want to blame it on the age thing, but just be talking to the elderly folks in your life, making sure that either taking care of if they need a place to sleep, if they need a place to do laundry.

But if this situation, if you know about it, make sure they remember to keep that generator outside.

Just stay in touch with them and pass this information along to anybody who has a generator, because I have a feeling that generator sales are gonna go up.

Oh,

big time.

Yeah.

There are still folks who have standing water in their homes.

Yeah.

And the only way they're going to get it out is to pump it out.

And to do that, you're probably going to need a generator as people again, and I think of all the folks who don't have their furnaces aren't working, which means their air conditioners aren't working or, or you're without power.

And we talked about this a little bit yesterday, trying to clean up a flooded basement when you don't have power is pretty much impossible.

It just is.

Yeah.

And, and this is not to be funny, but it is a funny reference to your

experience, having the right tools at home.

And one of those things as a mop, you can squeeze out.

Squeezy mops.

I mean, I can do a whole segment on squeezing mops.

I mean, investing, I might just invest in the bucket and a mop that you have for a business because it just might make your life easier.

Yeah.

And again, we got off lucky.

We only hit six inches of water.

I have nothing to complain about.

when I read these horrific stories from folks who have essentially lost everything.

And going back to your point, Greg, about the climate and these increasing storms with carrying massive amounts of moisture, on Wednesday, the Wisconsin Policy Forum came out with a report warning that severe flooding could become more frequent.

In the last 45 years, Wisconsin has seen dramatic increases in damage caused by flooding.

as the climate warms, extreme rains become more common, and urban development continues.

So every time we concrete over a big expanse, there's nowhere for

that water to go.

And another thing that Brittany said, and I don't know how applicable this is, but I think only in the matter of when we think of amount of water, when we think of amounts of anything, we usually equate it to snow, because we're used to

six inches of snow, 10 feet of snow, blah, blah, blah.

You can quantify that.

And I just want people to know that when the rain falls, one foot of water equals 10 feet of snow.

Put that in your brain to know that when we have that kind of snowfall or rainfall, that's what kind of snowstorm we would be getting.

One foot of rain equals 10 feet of snow.

That's incredible.

We're not trying to scare anybody.

We want you to be prepared.

Keep it in your mind.

Know what's going on.

Because like we've been saying,

We have to get used to what's going to be happening.

It's smoke from Canada, more rainfall, more flooding.

We have to be prepared and we have to work together.

I don't want to be dark and dismal.

I want to say at the end, we must work together and help each other.

And part of that is the partnerships we have with our municipalities, with our state governments and our federal governments.

And they have to come to the realization that when people need help,

doesn't matter who you voted for.

Exactly.

You just need to provide the funding or the manpower to do it.

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Right in the middle of a good dream Like all at once I wake up From something that keeps knocking at my brain Before I go insane I hold my pillow to my head And spring up in my bed Screaming out the words I dread I think I love you

Good morning!

And welcome, welcome back to Matt and air on air Jane Matt and air Greg Bach dominically in for Calvin coming to you live from her studio at Radio Park in Racine also civic medias.

live stream on Facebook, YouTube and what used to be Twitter.

We have been talking about the aftermath of the weekend flooding in southeastern Wisconsin.

What a mess.

A lot of people still dealing with.

collapsed basement walls and still with standing water in their basements.

We

have loss of power.

It's just a very challenging time for folks.

Ben Addiction Lutheran Church in Milwaukee.

Unfortunately, they had put together a whole bunch of backpacks to give away to kids and water damage destroyed about 60 of the backpacks they had put together.

during flooding at their church.

So if you would like to help them out and get those backpacks replaced, we will include this in our show notes and we'll put the link to that story in there so you can help out if you would like to.

As

we've been saying, if you can go just, you know, somebody elderly in your neighborhood, maybe just go knock on their door.

Yeah.

See if they need a hand.

Hey, you know what?

Knock on the doors and see if anyone needs a hand.

Exactly.

Like right now, this is where we come together and we help and it doesn't matter.

It shouldn't matter who they are.

Just, you know, offer a hand if you can, especially that, that laundry service.

If you have it in your house and it's

working.

If someone, if you can let somebody use your washer and dryer, that's huge.

It is.

Or let them use your shower.

Yeah.

That's a big thing, too.

855-752-4842, if you would like to join us.

Jack from Racine is on the line.

Good morning, Jack.

Thank you so much for joining us.

What do you want to say?

Good morning.

Like everybody, my heart goes out to the people who are working on water in their basement.

I've done that.

But thinking of climate change, the problem here

with our politicians in particular one party right now is that people are not looking at facts.

They're looking at what will advantage them.

And they're saying, well, we should look at the facts.

We should look at what these people think.

And behind that, of course, I mean, that's just their excuse.

Behind that is the real fact is that they're supporting the people who are polluting our environment that just stopped the Trump administration just

stop the laws related to the regulation of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere so that we can penalize who are polluting.

And so this just continues, and it's just a political scheme on their part.

When I say political, I'm not talking about, I think we sometimes confuse policy with political.

Political means that some person who wants to be in office for his own purposes and to make money and to help his friends,

make decisions and do things that help certain people but don't relate to the actual facts that we have like in the area of climate change.

A prime example of that is Tom Tiffany.

Toxic Tom, who's running for governor now, has been spending most of his time in the office trying to stop environmental measures.

Not stopping the Trump administration from failing to fund Biden policies and money going to states, including Wisconsin, large amount.

to combat climate change with real, scientifically proven policies of reducing carbon dioxide and steady spending his time and working hard against solar in the state.

And so here's a guy who is beholden and bought and paid for by industry that is supporting him and by and instead of leading people toward correct

toward decisions which fit the facts up in northern Wisconsin.

What he's been doing is the opposite, helping mining companies, helping companies that want to have industry that puts carbon into our atmosphere and then playing a game about, well, this is what people want and really not telling the truth.

at the

Really appreciate it, Jack.

Thank you.

Yeah, absolutely.

Thank you so much.

Really?

Can't disagree with it.

I feel like Jack just said it all and especially the matter of like they're no longer working to get the best result based on the science that's available.

It's about finding the best result which supports their vision.

Yes,

exactly.

That

vision ain't for us.

And talking about carbon dioxide and we're going to talk about this next hour.

Lee Zeldin is the head of the EPA.

Yeah.

Carbon dioxide just gets a bad rap.

That's what he said yesterday.

And we'll talk more about that in the second hour.

So let's all get together and photosynthesize people because carbon dioxide apparently is great, except for the fact that it kills people.

But that's just, you

know, and we did an interview with Casey Hicks from Wisconsin, conservation voters of Wisconsin.

And he had a information about a

a session where they'll be taking...

people's comments a comment session basically you can you can either write them in or you can comment on the session it's going to be the 19th of this month I'll put I'll put a link to that in the show notes as well but it's a great conversation with him about the fact that this is no longer about protecting the environment it's about protecting polluters without a doubt

we have news coming up next and then Jim Santel friend colleague host of amicus a law review across the network on Saturdays 9 to 11 is up next stay close you are listening to Matt Nair on air this is the civic media radio network

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We were talking about flooding in southeastern Wisconsin.

Join Maggie today on her show between four and six.

She's going to be joined by OCI Commissioner Nathan Hudeck to talk about Wisconsin flood insurance and what homeowners and renters need to know this.

is going to be really important again in the aftermath of all the flooding.

So check out Maggie's show today.

Four to six across the network as they talk about Wisconsin flood insurance.

What it does and probably more importantly, what it does not.

cover.

He joins us every Thursday at this time.

Our friend and colleague and host of the great show, Amicus, a law review across the network Saturday mornings from 9 to 11.

Jim Santel is here.

Good morning, Jim.

How are you doing?

Jane, Greg, I am doing well like you very much in the thoughtful and concerned about the tremendous and horrific victims out there, survivors, but nonetheless victims of this of this

terrific and horrific weather situation.

I remind it also, much along the lines of what you've been talking about, a much larger issue.

We focus upon the particular things as you see the wellness checks we were talking about in the previous hour and those kinds of things.

But the larger issue, once we get through this, and we will get through this, not without some great compromise in our safety and our security, but the larger issue plainly is government once again.

And to the extent that there are those people out there who continue to say, you know what, we need to get rid of government in our lives.

Going back, I remember well, Ronald Reagan, you know, government is the problem.

All

those kinds of things that are made,

right?

Here is a particular, it is in your backyard, it is in your basement, it is your neighbors, all of us, where this is the function of a good and decent and caring and humane government to provide services and support in times of crisis.

You limit that, you say that government is not to do these kinds of things, you cut their funding and you send people home and you do not get the government that you deserve.

And that's one of the other larger lessons again.

after we get through this horrific situation.

Well, and it's important for folks to remember that the Trump administration essentially said that states need to handle this on their own when there are natural disasters.

The federal government, they should be hands off.

And it's just that to the states to fix these natural disasters.

And we can see how well that's going in Texas, for example, which is still suffering, might least so are areas of North Carolina from last year's flooding.

Right.

Right.

Exactly,

it's it's disturbing and we had a great caller right before you join right before you joined us Jack from Racine just talking about We need to base our decisions on facts.

It can't just be I feel it in my gut Right, there's an awful lot of that though that kind of decision-making happening within the current administration

Your reaction to Jack I think was spot-on which is

Exactly, can't say it any better.

Even things like no other, cutbacks in our weather systems and prediction, all of this, all the things you talked about, the consequences of it, we're no longer talking about the future, it is here, right here and right now.

We may or may not have some limited opportunities to turn that back, but right now we're not working in that direction at all and we're suffering for it.

Yeah, and we're not looking long term again.

It's this is a long term thing We're gonna switch gears a little bit here Jim and I wanted to go back to Jelaine Maxwell who is still around and Jeffrey Epstein is still dead, but he's still not going away and there are a lot of questions about this

especially now so she was moved from this prison in Florida to this club fed they call it in Texas and now there are reports don't forget she's a convicted sex offender serving 20 years in prison for trafficking and sexually abusing children.

Now there are reports that she is eligible for work release.

Words fail again, right?

So here's- How is that even possible?

Here is the Civic Sign-It, which we do on this wonderful broadcast all the time.

Bureau of Prisons, inside the Department of Justice.

Ultimately, once again, who's responsible for this?

Yes, the President, but our Attorney General, Pambadi, Deputy Attorney General, right?

And all those folks out there, Bureau of Prisons with respect to every single federal prisoner who is in custody of the United States government, rates them.

And it's basically a number system and says, what have you done first and foremost?

What is the nature of your crime?

Who are you?

What's your history?

All kinds of things go into that.

Most focused on, of course, the nature of your conviction.

Let us remember, as you have just said, Jane, that this is a crime at the highest levels, 20 years under the sentencing guidelines, under this judge who imposed that upon her.

That is a reflection of, let's say it all together, the V word.

This is a violent crime.

And yes, it is a power crime.

It has sex wrapped inside it, but it is violent and is powerful.

And for that reason, the Bureau of Prisons makes these determinations as to violent criminals that they should be held in higher security facilities.

Why?

For a number of reasons.

Number one, the community generally, so that you cannot escape.

That's part of the whole mission of the Bureau of Prisons, but also deterrence.

We want to send the message, if you do these things, you will in fact not be at a minimum security prison, no security prison.

And certainly beyond that, it simply sends the message to the world, to all of us generally,

that the nature of this crime warrants this kind of response.

As a civilized society, no cruel and unusual punishment here is commensurate with what she has done.

And so, and so as you have, all of us have wondered when our Deputy Attorney General, Todd Blanche gets together with her for a couple of days and sits down in a conference that we know nothing

about.

In a little private one-on-one chat.

Right.

and we get no readout on that and then she gets transferred and you're right now these reports about work release.

Work release is one of those things again.

Your prison's involved, a community is involved.

When you've got a record of good behavior inside the prison system, when you have warranted it, and there are sufficient security situations in place.

What about this?

What about her conduct recently?

This is not talking 10 years ago.

We're talking recent.

She is also personally individually responsible for assaulting, sexually assaulting Jane, as you just said, young women.

And we are doing this now.

Why?

Because of preferential treatment, unmistakably, unmistakably.

I'll tell you, if I were a defense attorney anywhere in the country, Eastern Wisconsin, Western Wisconsin, and I had a violent

criminal defendant that I was defending at sentencing and post sentencing.

I would say, Your Honor, I'm making this motion.

I want the Maxwell arrangement.

Get

my

client into this situation as well.

It underscores the wild inconsistency of this.

And again, what is the Department of Justice doing?

As you've said before, rule of law, law and order.

I'm sorry.

It's just

not on display.

What's to stop anyone from saying I want the deal that Alex Acosta gave Jeffrey Epstein.

Let's go back to that.

If you're just

joining us, we're talking to Jim Santel, who is a former U. S. Attorney, current practicing attorney and host of amicus, a law review, which is on every Saturday on the civic media radio network at 9 a.m.

And Jim, the thing that, you know, you just mentioned something that was the the punishment.

befits the crime.

It shouldn't be cruel and unusual.

But there is a group of individuals in this country who believe that the punishment for those who commit these crimes should be almost a Sumerian law where it is just you are ended, you are cruelly and over punished for your crime.

where is the outrage from those people right now?

The people

who I see with bumper stickers on their cars that have violent rhetoric directed towards those who commit these kinds of crimes, they are not standing up.

They are not making their voices heard.

They are saying nothing.

They work in the government like Dan Bongino and Cash Patel who made it their mission for years saying, we need to find this Epstein file.

So not only are they part and parcel and basically accomplishes to this

report being disappeared, but they're not standing up for the fact that one of the co-conspirators of this is gently being allowed to live her life more and more free with every day.

And also, let's not forget, folks, we're paying for this.

Yes, absolutely.

And the Bureau of Prisons, I didn't look recently, Bureau of Prisons for what it's worth, again, another larger issue, which I know I've discussed in the past.

The great majority of the Department of Justice budget is what?

It's incarceration, right?

It's not the lawyers, believe it or not.

It's not the operation of those U.S.

Attorney's offices.

It's incarceration.

You are paying for every single act of the Brewer prisons.

Again, we all believe that under appropriate circumstances, yes, there needs to be incarceration.

Other forms of sentences are also appropriate.

Here, once again, this is a movement to release and to give accommodations to someone

who is at the lowest end of someone who should be getting that kind of consideration.

It is inconsistent.

And to those voices, Greg, as you just said, all we're looking for is consistency, right?

If you're going to be an articulate advocate for punishment at the highest levels, then let's make it so for everyone.

That's what our constitution's all about.

That's what our nation is all about.

Yeah, absolutely.

And what I've seen in the last week in particular,

is an effort by some right wing broadcasting companies to rework Jelaine Maxwell's story and make her a victim.

She was a victim.

She was also victimized by Jeffrey Epstein.

Should we be coming down on her so hard?

She was, Donald Trump wished her well when she got sentenced to prison for this.

And if you hear any of the testimony from the victims, they talk about her role in this and how she was almost

worse than Jeffrey Epstein and what Epstein did to them.

You take a look at some of the significant portions of the trial transcript and this is plainly, this is not the person who is managing the calendar and identifying the locations and the movements.

This was somebody who was intimately involved in ways that we will not describe on a good and decent radio show like this, but at the highest levels of this activity, crime,

not only of a high level, but personal.

And again, Jane, as you've just said.

Even every single day, the victims who are still out there, we know that at least one, if not more, committed suicide as a result of what happened here.

They are still out there on a daily basis listing these reports.

And again, what are they thinking?

We don't know the answer to that question.

They are outraged by this to the extent that they feel comfortable.

They are coming forward, but they shouldn't have to do it.

Our justice system should protect them.

We hope and we anticipate they're getting victim support services, which they probably are.

But again,

That is, as always, been imperfect.

It is never complete.

You can't restore a life in the way that we would hope and bring it back to where it should be after you've been the subject of this kind of attack by the Glane Maxwells of the world.

I can't imagine how they feel when they hear that.

Jelaine Maxwell is getting this kind of special cushy treatment.

Apparently the one thing that they're not allowing her to do what a shame is to train dogs, which is again that's an earned privilege as an inmate.

You don't just get to do that.

That's something that you do after displaying.

Good behavior.

We're going to continue our conversation with Jim Santel specifically about the actions of the Trump administration on the streets of Washington, D.C.

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The Attorney General can take appropriate action to seek in appropriate cases the termination of consent decrees that impede the policy of committing people.

This seems very troubling.

It is.

It is.

I have so many responses to this.

Let me begin just by making a personal observation.

I provide legal services to the men at the Milwaukee Rescue Mission and been doing that for a number of years.

And many of them, of course, homeless, also suffering from other issues, challenges, addictions, and mental illness, and other issues.

And it is so very clear that the notion of institutionalizing

People is not the solution at all for them.

I see that on a weekly basis Everybody else knows that as well.

Who's had any contact out there?

I'm recalling also a second point, which is 26 years ago the United States Supreme Court in case called Olmsted different circumstances Americans with disabilities act What did they say that for people with disabilities including mental illnesses?

no institutionalization.

You've got to be able to explore other options in the community to ensure that they are part of our community.

That's the law to this day in the state of Wisconsin throughout the United States of America.

And then we have this coming along that again sends it back in a direction that we have not visited for over at least 20, 25 years or so.

And all of it, all of it suggesting that somehow the response to this

is indeed putting people in an incarcerated setting.

Of course, the most recent reference point.

Why were we talking about all this?

Last year, there's the third point in this case called Grants Pass.

We talked about it on this very program.

Supreme Court said, you know what?

It is not cruel and unusual punishment under the Eighth Amendment to enforce ordinances forcing people who are without homes off public lands and moving them somewhere.

We don't say where.

Right.

And Sonia's talking about, of course,

It's just not here.

Just move them beyond.

That's okay.

Sonia Sotomayor, again, if your listeners want to have some encouragement about what should be done here, Sonia Sotomayor, of course, responds by saying, everybody has a right to a home and it's not a crime.

You should not be institutionalized for this.

This statement coming out of the White House, coming out of my department of justice.

Once again, it's the attorney general pushing back time and being inhumane candidly.

It is nothing short of just that.

Well, and again, I just feel like none of these policies are well thought out.

They do not consider ramifications.

They don't look, and if I do A, then B could happen and C and D and E. And for one thing, we know that a large portion of our homeless population are veterans.

Exactly.

For another thing, we know that, okay, if they're not gonna take, we don't have enough beds, first of all, for treatment centers.

If we had

an unlimited number of treatment facilities with open beds.

That would help alleviate a lot of this problem, but we don't have those.

So what?

We're going to jail these people for one night and then let them out and then we're back to square one.

And my Secretary of Defense says, you know what?

That's not my issue.

I'm sorry, Mr. Secretary.

It just, it is stunning.

He was asked about these very issues recently and said, yeah, that's another, somebody else take care of that.

No, you are concerned about it because you're part of this administration.

And especially Jane, as you just noted, veterans in his bailiwick, that's exactly the reason why you are there.

horrified, horrified by the lack of humanity once again, and the lack of sense of what you're supposed to do there.

In these positions of authority, the policy itself simply endorses being cruel.

The cruelty is back once again, as the two of you have often regrettably had to articulate on this broadcast.

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He's also host of The Great Show.

Check it out Saturday mornings, 9 to 11.

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Really appreciate it.

Always a pleasure, my friends.

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Wanted to spend a little time on this and I would very much love to know what your childhood was like.

as far as spankings and paddling and discipline within your household.

I bring this, we bring this up because the former NFL star nominated by Trump to a federal commission for children want schools to bring back corporal punishment.

Yeah.

We gotta get the paddle back.

We gotta get the paddle back, says,

Jack Brear in order to clamp down on crime We need to be spanking our kids more eight five five seven five two four eight four two eight five five seven five civic Did you get spanked as a kid?

Did you get paddled as a kid?

Did you get the belt as a kid and?

Do you think now as an adult?

That was the correct form of discipline.

Yeah

Because there have been a lot of studies done about corporal punishment and Whether or not it's effective

Well, I think the fact that it's not it's still not around gives you a good idea as to why scientifically it's Not a thing because they probably realized one it does serious damage to well it does damage to people if we're talking about children does serious damage to children and

It doesn't make kids learn and Hitting kids beating kids being violent towards children doesn't also guarantee learning and doesn't that doesn't

teach a lesson then that cycle of violence continues If you are beat as a child Don't is that then you learn that this is how you discipline children and you beat your own children.

Well, I mean I

That is definitely an avenue and I say that because and I'll be I'm gonna be very honest with you right now I'm gonna share something from my life that kind of gives you a taste of what I feel about this topic matter and frankly also if you think that The the the hitting the paddling the beatings should return to schools I Don't know if this conversation is gonna be for you because you're not gonna you're not going to agree with what I'm about to say, but my father was

beaten as a child.

He came from a violent home.

He came from a psychologically abusive home.

He went to school in the 40s.

He was left handed.

And if you know what that means, he went to Catholic school.

If that means anything to you, you know, the nuns hit him.

It would have been easy for my father to say in his head, well, my mom beat me.

I beat my kids because that's what I did.

And that's, that's how I learned.

and that's the that is the that's the uh the battle cry for some is that well they did it to me and i'm a good person right well right that's not so much the case and if it's such an easy thing to do if it's such a simple way to if you're if you're a to b you're saying oh well if my mom beat me then i can beat i can beat my kids and that will make them better people and whatever and they'll be like me and be great nothing nothing bad here no he decided not to

He told himself and my mother that he was not going to lay a hand on my sister and I'm gonna be a different kind of dad He ended that cycle of violence with him to the point where in art in my childhood I was spanked a couple times and I remembered distinctly being slapped in the face once She told me that he went to the bedroom and cried because of it because he felt like so bad and

I personally think that those who think that there is a difference between abuse and discipline are woefully inaccurate and missing the point and and misinformed misinformed and you then you stand behind a notion of violence against children and here's the other question I'll ask you we live in a time right now where we have parents suing schools for the books they have on the shelves and the lessons they want to teach screaming to high heaven to anyone who will hear

You don't know you don't raise my child.

I don't raise my child with the government You're telling me that those same people are going to be okay with a teacher laying a hand on their kid That's fine for other kids Jane You discipline the living, but Jesus out of the other kids don't that's mine rotten But my little Jimmy or Janie.

Oh man, they're they're they're just good people.

You don't understand I want to see the first parent come out to say you do not hit my child so

I just don't understand this, and it is, for me personally, this whole thing of the notion of, we just gotta bring back the paddle, solves

nothing.

Yeah, I don't think it does either.

The 46-year-old Texan, nominated by Trump to serve for four years on the commission of the social status of black men and boys, says, quote, when you have a knucklehead kid that's willing to rob you or me at gunpoint with a car full of kids or anyone else,

You see, these things don't happen in states like Florida, you know why?

Because if you carjack me, I'm liable to shoot you, no matter what your age is.

And that happens in red states, unquote.

Well, and you brought that up.

You brought that quote up on our show prep time before we got on the air.

And I simply Googled into the Google machine.

Actually, I'd be more specific this time.

Do carjackings happen in Florida?

Yes.

Carjackings happen in Florida.

Carjackings also refer to hijacking a motor vehicle.

Do happen by use of violence, assault, and threat.

Now, do they have the ability in Florida to stay on their ground and defend themselves with a gun?

Fine.

Sure.

Okay.

But I don't think, I don't think the fact that this child, this person doing that crime, committing that crime,

would have been served better by being hit in school.

There's no scientific evidence you can show me that leads them from being beaten in school to being a productive, because I'm a productive person in society.

I didn't get hit in school.

I didn't get, I didn't get hit by my parents on a regular basis.

So there's, so tell me more about your scientific

theories.

How you were raised?

Did you get spanked frequently?

Did you get the belt?

Did you get the paddle?

Is that something that we're lacking?

Should we be hitting our kids more?

Is this the answer?

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The reason we bring this up is because one of Donald Trump's appointees says we need physical punishments for school kids.

We gotta get the paddle back.

And I'm like you, I was spanked.

I believe it was three times.

And I remember it.

But it was always the threat that was what stopped you.

It wasn't the actual physical, right?

It

wasn't the spanking itself.

It was the threat of the spanking.

I don't mean to call out our ages, but back in our days, you could do that threat.

But nowadays, you can threaten the kids if you want.

But at some point, they're going to come to the realization, well, if they keep on threatening you don't do it, then I just can do whatever I want.

It's more of the fact you never threaten them with that at all.

You find solutions to problems and by talking.

And that, I'm not a parent, but I know a lot of parents, and I know a lot of grandparents, and I've seen them grow in the way they raise their children.

And it makes a lot more sense to me that you would find solutions through talking things out, through expressing yourself through words, rather than just getting a kid up against a wall and slapping them on the backside with a paddle.

I don't know where the solution in that action lies.

And someone on the, I'm just gonna say, someone on the live stream called me out to say that I, you know, support, I don't support discipline, but I don't, I think abuse and discipline are the same thing.

Wrong.

That's not true.

Abuse is one thing, discipline is another.

But also, I think that the moment a teacher puts their hand on a child, that is not right.

I'll say that right now.

Very crazy statements.

A couple of texts we want to share before we got to go to break.

Sue, from Franklin, I was at a public pool not too long ago in the changing area.

I heard a mom yelling at her young son.

He must have hit her because I heard her say, don't you ever hit me?

Then you could hear her hitting him.

And Julie from Wausau.

I'm 66 years old.

We did get spanked.

It just made me lie to get out of it.

My brother got the worst of it.

It made him even more rebellious and bothered my father afterward.

I never hit my son.

Timeouts worked great and helped him to work out his feelings non-violently.

And thank you, Julie, for that.

Appreciate it.

If you're listening right now and you think that and you think spankings and you think hitting and you think that sort of actions are the key.

I'd like to know more about your childhood, more about your history and figure out how do you handle certain situations?

Do you think that violence is the way to solve problems?

Why do you feel that way?

And show me the evidence that proves your opinion on this matter.

Show me the school where- Where's the study?

Where's the

study?

Does the job.

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We were talking about.

An article in The Daily Beast, Trump appointee demands physical punishments in schools.

We gotta get the paddle back.

So we were taking your calls and your texts about whether or not you got spanked as a kid and is this an appropriate way to get the behavior that you want.

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Whistler from Richland Center is on the line.

Good morning, Whistler.

Morning, Jane.

I'll tell you what, my mom was a school teacher.

My dad was a steam sitter and discipline at home was very precise.

If any of my sisters or myself said a curse word or talked back to my mom, we got the back of the hand right in the mouth.

If things were a little heavier,

It was wait till your dad gets home.

Yeah, and then I when I was younger I'd put books in my pants So my butt wouldn't hurt quite so much I also remember in algebra class Class hadn't quite started but the teacher came in and I was turned around talking to a lady behind me and the math teacher

I grabbed the arctic off the chalkboard and whacked me with it.

And now you turn around.

You know, I turned out all right.

I have respect for people.

Did you hit your kids?

Whistler, do you have kids?

I have three boys and nine grandkids.

I'm more vocal than I am physical.

I raise my voice a lot.

But no, no, I don't strike my kids

Oh, and I'm curious whistler.

Why not?

Because at that point If you struck your kid and the kid went to school and Teachers saw a red mark.

Well, you got a call from the cops.

They'd come and interview you Trying to determine what was going on why that happened

So how did your kids, you didn't hit your kids, you were a disciplinarian, but you did it more vocally.

Did your kids turn out okay?

Yes, yes, they did.

All three

of my

sons are awesome.

That's great.

That's great, Whistler, I appreciate it.

Again, I'm just curious because I think a lot of times kids who grew up in violent households

Continue that cycle of violence and I don't know that that's healthy or helpful

and I think that the you know I don't doubt that whistler grew up to be a wonderful productive person in society and I don't think that if you're hit by your parents that means that you're going to be either good or bad or whatever that that word of a construct is but you know I'm the living proof of what happens when

And I grew up in a time where it really didn't, you weren't, you wouldn't get the cops calling you so much.

And my dad wasn't not hitting me because he was afraid of being in trouble.

But he just said, I'm not going to hit my children.

And he didn't.

And we also grew up to be productive, good people in society.

So that thing of my parents hit me or I hit my kids and they grew up fine.

I don't think that, I think the, that part of it doesn't, isn't the deciding factor.

It's the other portions of how you raise your children.

Because there are people my age we're like, yeah, I'm gonna spank my kids because I know how to spank my kids the way my parents spank me using it Sparingly sparingly and to show this is that you've pushed the line So it's a it's a very nuanced conversation and I appreciate whistler calling in and being so honest with us.

Absolutely.

I appreciate that

absolutely again.

I got I got spanked two or three times and My dad wouldn't do it

He wouldn't make you he would not do any my poor mother.

He left it to my poor mother Oh, see and that was like my father was a mortician.

He could have disappeared us and it would have been fine

Tom from Wausau listening to WXCO, he says, how is this topic not on this shouldn't be a thing?

Because physical abuse on children, not what we go for on that segment, but I understand what you're saying.

Yeah.

East Tom says, school, of course, schools should not participate in child abuse.

Parents shouldn't abuse their kids either.

I hear you, Tom.

With TISBAT in particular, we try very hard to curate stories that are lighthearted.

like today's episode.

Yes, freeze edition.

But we appreciate you.

We appreciate that.

And yeah, again, I don't I don't think this is the answer.

I don't think again, it comes more about respect.

Yeah.

Not what it comes down

to.

It's respecting the child's right to live in a world where they don't have to because that's the other thing too is that chronic and and persistent violence make can can make a child grow up.

being afraid of everything because they are afraid to express themselves because they're afraid of what will happen.

Will they be yelled at?

Will they be hit?

Will they, you know, they shouldn't have to live in fear.

And I don't care how tough a kid is when they get hit regularly, when there's violence, when there's a cycle of violence around them, they grow up in some sort of fear.

And then that fear, as you said, Jane, perpetuates himself into, into their outside world of this is how you solve problems.

Right.

So this is a discussion.

This is a discussion that's not going to go away.

Yeah.

We got at least another three years of this possibly more.

We do have news coming up next and then we're going to lighten things up for the last half an hour of the show.

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Paul Noonan from the Acme Pack & Company.

Good morning.

How are you?

I'm great and good morning to everybody.

I don't know how you could be anything other than great from a baseball perspective anyway.

I know.

Greg's all, he's just over the moon.

By the way, yep, the Brewers got 12 wins in a row yesterday.

George Webb's expected to make the announcement at noon today on when they're gonna do the free burgers.

So all the details will be coming out about that at noon today.

Lots of people wanna know.

I can't wait, baited breath.

Lots of people wanna know.

It's maybe, it's kind of the greatest marketing in the history of like small diner restaurants.

The only thing I would say, so first of all, they definitely make money off of this.

You go in, you get your burger, but you're not just going to get a burger.

You're going to get fries.

You're going to get soda, which is where all the margin is on things.

So it's fantastic.

The only thing is, it is hard to do.

This is only the third time it's happened.

It happened, obviously, in 1987.

Amazing run to start of the season.

And in 2018, into the playoffs.

So that's all.

It probably would benefit George Webb if it was a little easier, but

it wouldn't

be

as fun.

More than more than once a decade.

Yeah.

And we were in, and I should say George Webb's was dangerously close to doing it twice.

Yeah.

That's the other thing.

Like for a while, we had to distinguish between 11 game winning streaks over like a 34 game stretch that they went 27 and four over a 31.

It's, um, I've never seen a baseball team.

play this well for this long.

The one exception I guess would be like the Moneyball Oakland Athletics won 20 games in a row famously.

But like the Brewers have done this and they've skated but they got lucky, lucky quote unquote a couple of times against the Mets.

They had the Mets collapse and Isaac Collins walk of home run.

But for the most part, they've destroyed people.

Like they've had a couple of close calls, but mostly they've killed people.

So that's the thing about it.

Like

You'll get these streaks every once in a while, every once in a blue moon, a team gets hot.

They go off for eight, nine, 10, whatever games.

But usually those are accompanied by insane luck, like a huge run of one score games, one, not one score, that's football, one run games.

But this is, you know, they scored 12 yesterday.

They scored 14 against, in the Paul Skeens game against the Pirates.

they have been routinely annihilating teams.

And that's what makes this team, I think, special compared to a lot of previous Brewer teams is they're not just beating people, they are beating people.

And it almost feels like that's what the Brewer's have to do.

And look, a win is a win.

Three to two, if you have three, you've still won.

But there is a sense of justification that comes from the Brewer's as they're always seen, even when they're winning, they're never seen as huge like

dominant forces.

I mean, the perfect example is I'm turn on my television and those streaming commercials that are kind of like, you know, you can scroll past.

There's one showing baseball and of the four teams they're showing, three of them are in third place and there is no Brewers on there.

And

so I feel like in order to really get the attention, the Brewers have to dominate with true and utter force.

And you brought up Paul Skeens and this is, I mean, Paul Skeens is an amazing pitcher.

Make no mistake about that.

He's far better than I am.

But this was supposed to be his season as a pitcher.

And the Brewers have kind of come in and said, no, not so much.

This is our season.

Sorry about that guy.

And he's, I mean, when we first played them this season, earlier in the season, it was very much, oh, God, we can be able to go up against Paul Skeens.

He's like, and now it's sort of like he's, he's at least in Milwaukee.

He's kind of an afterthought.

Yep.

And by the way, he's probably going to win the Cyah.

Like he is he is still the best pitcher in the National League.

He is the favorite for it.

He has the lowest ERA even after that start.

He's probably going to win it.

But it just doesn't the the Brewers just keep running into like the Dodgers and the Paul Skeens games.

And it just doesn't seem to matter.

And I will say like they don't the nobody believes in this thing with the Brewers probably isn't accurate.

Like ESPN doesn't cover them much just because they don't cover small markets because that's not what they care about.

But.

amongst baseball people in particular Baseball websites MLB network and by the way other teams broadcasts not just other teams that like in our division the Brewers could talk about a lot and a lot of times I think we would be dismissed as this is kind of a fluke

and

There's still some of that out there for sure because the Brewers are a weird team like they are nobody else

is built like us

But there there is definitely a lot of writing on the analytics side about

Did they figure something out?

Are they doing something unique that is repeatable and not just a fluke?

And I think there's some findings there that might be the case.

Usually good teams do a couple things.

First of all, the Brewers' pitching is beyond reproach.

The pitching is just good.

There's no doubt about that.

That's rock solid.

But on offense, usually good teams hit a lot of home runs.

The Brewers...

They've hit a few lately, but they're 23rd in home runs.

Usually teams aren't good by hitting singles.

The Brewers are 2nd in Major League Baseball in hitting singles.

Singles are usually kind of disparaged as kind of bad.

I think they figured something out.

I think the brewers legitimately have cracked a couple of codes and have managed to buy low on some skill sets that flew under the radar for literally everybody else, with maybe the exception of the Reyes.

And the Reyes are struggling this year because they're homeless, not because they're a dumb, bad baseball team.

But here's the thing.

A couple of years ago, a bunch of rules changed, kind of because of the brewers.

They got rid of shifting.

You can no longer position your infielders wherever you want.

They put in the pitch clock and they restricted the number of times a pitcher can throw over to first base to keep runners close.

You can't just throw over and over and over and over again to pick guys off.

And that's kind of when the brewers started buying all this contact and all this speed.

And if you look up and down the lineup, they have

the best contact hitters in the league with Caleb Durbin, with Bryce Terrang, with South Relic in particular is outstanding at that.

And everybody on the team is fast with the exception of Rhys Hoskins and Andrew Vaughn, and it's okay to end the contraris, but catchers first baseman.

And so what you have is this team that basically abuses that you can't shift anymore.

And here's the big one.

This is a Paul specific thing, by the way, not

backed up by any science.

Good

to know.

It used to be the case before the pitch clock.

If you ever watched a Yankees Red Sox game, it would go on for four and a half hours and the Yankees and Red Sox would fall off a zillion pitches.

And it would be very frustrating to watch, but it would be mostly frustrating to watch from the perspective of the hitter who just couldn't get anything in play or from the, sorry, from the pitcher.

Let me get to the point, which is now you get up there and

You got to throw pitches fast.

And so when the Brewers get down 0-2 and counts, it's foul, foul, foul, foul, foul, foul.

But it used to be like foul, wait a minute, Ryan brought adjust his gloves forever,

you know, gets back

to the box, foul, do that again.

And now if you're a pitcher, it's you throw pitch, foul, you throw pitch, foul, you throw a pitch, foul.

It's very frustrating.

And I think that the Brewers basically started

Gaming this and realize that this is annoying for pitchers if you just sit up there and you hack away like eventually They're gonna make a mistake and because we're all so fast and because we're all you can't shift us Our ball-and-play is going to be a guy's gonna fall asleep out there on defense which they have been and B It's gonna find more holes than it used to it's gonna be hard on third baseman and shortstop to throw out all these little fast guys The other thing is you see this with Freylik in particular

They're so good at making contact, even when they have two strikes on them.

By the way, they're like second last in striking out as a team.

Watch Freylik on his first swing every at bat.

He swings harder than anybody else on the team, his first swing.

He tries to hit a home run every time.

He did it to Paul Skeens.

And it's because he doesn't care if he falls behind because he'll hit a little nubber in play on strike two and try to run it out and often make it.

But

That's also, I think, why Terang has started hitting home runs.

They all just decided, like, well, we're not going to strike out.

We can make contact with anything.

The Mets closer the other day.

Honestly, it's on 103.

And Joey Ortiz is getting a bat on 103.

Not Churio.

Isaac Collins is getting a bat on 103 on our pitch.

You can't strike these guys out.

And so all they do, they hack early, they hack early.

And then they always put it in play.

And they're so fast.

that they never get, they never, they're second lowest in double plays also with all those singles, all those balls in play, they're so fast, you can't get double plays on them.

They're insane.

They're not like any team I've ever seen and they're difficult to copy, but I don't think it's fake.

I think this is real and they've solved some baseball equations.

If you're just joining us on Matt Nair on air, the Acme packing company's Paul Noonan is our guest to talk all things sports and in particular the Brewers.

Maybe it's just me because I'm not as big of a sports fan, but.

To me, this equates to Bull Durham, the movie where the Durham Bulls go on a winning streak and they were playing with grace and poetry and she goes, wax is all poetic on this.

Are we sure that some of the pitchers aren't just wearing garters?

Do we know that?

Is anyone checked?

So the

one thing

I'll say is the problem, they're not this good where they're going to win, you know, 12 games clip every time.

But the pitching is definitely good.

And the hitting, I think, is good enough at this point that we know they do this thing, where they can always make contact with nothing else.

But the pitching, the Brewers, for those who don't know, have the league's best pitching lab, the most advanced, the best ability of any team to identify pitchers who maybe have one thing wrong and fix it.

which is why they have this happen every year where like Chad Patrick comes out of nowhere and is a rookie of the year candidate.

Nobody heard of him before.

Even prospect guys haven't heard of him before.

And Tobias Meyers, their best pitcher last year was Tobias Meyers, best starter anyway.

And this year is like an afterthought.