Environmental Protection (Of Polluters) Agency (Hour 1)

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Dan Schaefer won't be with us.

Civic Benita's political editor and the creator of the Reconpopulation Area.

He's taking a little time off.

He'll be back next Friday.

But we have Casey Hicks, who is with

Wisconsin conservation voters Casey gonna be joining us at the bottom of the hour after the 9 30 news to talk about the gutting of the EPA Which the Trump administration just did and what that's gonna mean for us when we turn on our tap water and go outside and I don't know try to go kayaking Lots of things.

Yeah, it's

It's not good.

No, it's not.

It's not good.

And then an hour number two, a state representative, Janet Jacobson, will be here to talk about a meeting she recently attended with Darren Von Bruden, who we spoke with on Wednesday, the president of the Wisconsin Farmers Union.

And tariffs are having an effect on our farmers and the raids on

Ice raids are affecting our Wisconsin farmers, which shouldn't really be a surprise.

She's also going to speak about an event she had this week because she has announced her bid for state Senate for next year's election.

That's election news is starting to ramp up.

Yep.

Back to school, back to election.

So we'll be talking to Representative Jacobson in the second hour.

And that'll be a very good conversation.

I'd love to hear her take on the tariffs and

just what they're hearing.

I'm curious what they're hearing when they go out and actually get on the ground and talk to folks.

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Gonna start off though with a tear of news close to home.

This is from the Milwaukee Journal, Sentinel, Sophia Joseph has the byline, Glenn Dale's,

Waco group facing challenges amid Trump tariffs.

One response is higher shoe prices.

And we've talked about this.

And because he's been changing his mind and deadlines, it seems like every other day on these tariffs, some of the effects have been delayed a little bit, I would say.

But wasn't it last night or the night before that the latest round of tariffs kicked in, including 50% tariffs against Brazil?

So if you drink coffee, it's coming.

I will be interested.

There is a certain coffee company that is very pro the president saying we will not raise the price on our coffee one cent.

These will not affect us the way you think.

I would like to see where they are at with regard.

I'm going to, I want to check that out because, you know,

bolstering and bloviating aside, you need to run your business.

You need to make sure you make a profit.

You have to make a

profit.

That's what running a business is all about.

Capitalism.

And you can say you're not going to do this.

You can say you're not going to raise prices, but you might have to.

And that's a tough pill to swallow.

And that is an example, though, of how it affects.

Everyone it's not just these aren't tariffs against the left.

These aren't tariffs These aren't tariffs that are going to destroy China Brazil England India the EU all these countries all these organizations It's going to hit us the hardest me and you the folks who work for a living the folks who've saved and done what they're supposed to do in life These prices are going are are hitting us.

Well, and again because ultimately We are the ones who pay the tariffs.

Yes, despite

Donald Trump and his sink offense, sink offense, traveling all over the country and saying, no, no, no, no.

We don't Americans don't pay the tariffs.

American companies don't pay the tariffs.

That's not how it works.

Yes.

That actually is how it works.

And it's only taken this long for us finally to get an answer from Scott Basant, who is our treasury secretary, correct?

Yes, I believe so.

I believe so.

He was on MSNBC recently asked about who pays the tariffs.

Calvin, let's play this clip, please, from Scott Besant.

Or it comes from any country with a tariff.

Who writes the check to the treasury?

Well, the check is written to the person who receives it at the dock in the US.

The check is called written by the person.

So the tariff is paid in this country by the importer,

is that

right?

But the Brazilian exporter could decide that they want to keep market share.

They could lower their price so that the full 50% of the tariffs say...

Right, they

could eat part of the tariff

too.

Which is what we've seen.

But the check is written by the importer right at the dock.

importer can pass it on or not.

Okay.

Thank you.

Mr. Bassin took you a long time to get to.

Yes.

American importers pay the cost of the tariffs and then the importer decides whether or not they're going to eat their increased cost.

or if they're going to pass it on to the consumer.

And there's two things there I'd like to know.

Well, one thing I'd like to know from Mr. Bassett, Secretary Bassett,

my apologies,

Secretary Bassett, please give us exact examples of the things quote that you're hearing and you've seen regarding these these exporters who are cutting their prices to eat the cost to make sure that the tariffs don't affect us, the Americans, who I know

They care about so

much.

But what I think what he's implying is that they might do this to protect their own market share.

Because they don't want American companies looking for other suppliers other than them.

So they might lower their prices in order to keep their market here in the US.

Again, fine.

Fine.

Show me those examples.

Because that phrase is what we've seen is nothing to me.

It means nothing to me.

And I'll give a really clear-cut example that everyone can follow.

Ford Motor Company.

We all know them.

We all know them.

We do.

They are one of the greatest American companies in our nation's history.

They paid $800 million in tariff costs in the second quarter alone of this year.

They took their first quarter loss ever since 2023.

And yes,

they did raise their prices.

They didn't keep the prices on the car the way they were.

The exporters who Ford bought their steel aluminum and they did not lower their prices as well.

That cost was sent on to us, the American people to pay more for the cars.

And if they took a quarter loss, that means that people probably weren't buying new cars or as many as usual.

So that is just a great.

A to B to C example to me.

And it's very easy and you can tell your friends, Ford Motor Company, we all know who they are, paid nearly a billion dollars in tariffs in one quarter,

not a year,

not five years, one quarter because

of the

tariffs.

We are talking tariffs and Treasury Secretary Scott Bassent admitting this week that

Oh my goodness, surprise, surprise.

It's U.S.

importers that have to write the check when the goods come here and then it's up to the importer, whether or not they will eat the cost of those tariffs or pass them on to us.

If there are any artist animators out there, can you create a new chapter of Schoolhouse Rock?

on tariffs,

what they

are, and how they are created, and what the process is.

I would just love to see a little piece of paper that just says, tariff check, just walk around on tarry, the tariff check,

gonna pay the bills, your price is going up, cause we're going over the hill of, that's it, that's it,

that's

all

I got.

Well, we'll work, we needed a workshop then.

Copyright, J-Mot in there.

The newest round of tariffs took effect at midnight on Thursday, lifting,

The average U.S.

tariff rate to its highest level since the Great Depression.

Just going to say that again.

The newest round of tariffs kicked in at midnight on Thursday, lifting the average U.S.

tariff rate to its highest level since the Great Depression.

Justin Wolfer's Professor of Public Policy and Economics at the University of Michigan says you're going to start seeing higher prices as soon as business has become convinced this is sticking around.

And that clock, clock starts today.

Higher tariffs, which businesses, not countries, pay to those federal governments are as high as 50% for Brazil and India, because Trump is sticking his nose into Brazilian politics where it doesn't belong.

Just 15% for the European Union and Japan.

I'd

also like if someone could explain to me and...

Maybe this is a maybe this is a case for Rick Reed our our economy guy from Fox Valley Technical College to come back on to talk about but one of the big things that is the impetus for these tariffs is The claim that the rest of the world is robbing us stealing from

us.

They're

bilking us They're taking all of our dough Jane, right and I'd really like to know What is the truth?

What is the lie?

What is the exaggeration?

If that is true

If that matter is true, how would a normal functioning administration look to take care of that by saying, we're going to slowly raise our tariff costs over time because we feel like we're getting the short end of the stick.

So here is a, wait for it, long range plan to take care of the situation and make sure A, American people are taken care of and B, we're not.

burning the bridges of all of our relationships with all of these countries and exporters.

That's what I would add.

That's a very long question, but I just would like to know the truth to that that kicks off this topic of why we're doing this, why it's so extreme.

It's because the rest of the world is robbing us

blind.

Well, and I've seen other economists explain this, you know, Donald Trump says, well, we have a trade deficit with this country, which ultimately means they're ripping us off.

And I've seen economists explain it.

If I look at that like with my credit card, I have a deficit with my credit card.

Mm-hmm.

Does that mean they're ripping me off?

Because I buy things on my credit card No, it means I bought something and I put it on my credit card.

Yeah

And also, yeah, that's that's like I said, maybe I'll talk to I'll talk to mr. Read about then see if he wants to come on the show if not we can talk to somebody else

Maybe it's a full day of conversation, him and James Vanderloo from the OEC group, but it's just a matter of, I would like to know more about that part of it because people seem to raise the flag on that portion of the conversation.

We're getting ripped off by

the world.

I understand why that could be your battle cry, but once again, if it is based in lies or if it's a kernel of truth surrounded by a bunch of misinformation.

But granted, even even if that if that premise is accurate that we're getting ripped off, we're still punishing the American consumers for these tariffs because we're the ones who have to pay it.

Yeah.

All right.

When we return all that pesky Constitution, you know, with all its roots, let's just burn the Constitution.

Shall we?

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Oh, heck, let's just burn the Constitution, shall we?

I got a fire right behind me here, is why not?

Yep.

Trump's plan, this from Wisconsin Public Radio, Rich Creamer with the byline, Trump's plan to exclude non-citizens from the census could affect Wisconsin representation and federal funding.

UW Madison expert says Trump's proposal appears at odds.

Huh.

with the US Constitution.

The Constitution requires that we do a census every 10 years and every person, not citizen, every person is required to be counted in order to determine who's gonna, how much representation they get.

And now Donald Trump,

We just did the census a few years ago.

Now he wants to do it again before the midterms They want a new census before 2026 because they are so confident in how good their policies are Just like trying to fix the gerrymandering seats in Texas

If they were so confident that their policies are so popular, they wouldn't be going jumping through all these hoops to change things, to make sure they can lock up power before people have a chance to voice their opinions.

But this goes back, Jane, to the matter of long-range planning, to just having a plan.

The census takes about one year to do completely from administration to taking the information to putting it all together and publishing the results about one year.

It is August of 2025.

If they started it today, they still couldn't do anything because you still have to institute all of those changes over time.

There's a reason why it happens every 10 years.

It doesn't happen.

You can't be like, hey, we're going to do the census.

When?

Next week.

Wait.

What?

Yeah, it doesn't work like that.

And reports that I heard yesterday also talked about they've already gutted part of the Census Bureau.

They fired a whole bunch of people from the Census Bureau.

So they're already short staffed.

And now you're going to drop this on them, which again, this only happens every 10 years in the Constitution, where it says you have to count everyone, not just citizens.

And reports I was hearing yesterday, again, talking about not thinking things through thoroughly.

It's not just California that has a large number of illegal undocumented people.

Texas has a huge population.

So does Florida.

There are a bunch of red states.

That could also be affected by this, but again, I don't know that they're thinking that all the way through to the end

Don't worry Jane.

They're just gonna read district until they get rid of that problem completely just before we get out of here I just want to read some information that

I don't know if this is a squirrel or not just because of the overwhelming amount of work, but the census starts planning for the next census almost a decade in advance.

It's

a very long complicated process.

The formal counting takes about two months.

Then they have to do another three months of follow-up.

Then they have to process the data.

It takes a long time.

They couldn't officially start doing a census.

Until maybe if they worked 24 hours on the clock, I bet you no sooner than the holidays to early next year.

And then they're still up a crick.

So this notion that this is one, it's absolutely against the Constitution.

Period.

And I'm

tired of people saying we can do this.

It's fine.

Then don't tell me you care about the Constitution.

Just take out the Second Amendment.

And that's what you get from now on.

But this is crazy pants.

This is ridiculous.

And as you said, this will backfire hard.

It's about thinking things, you know, long term, let's, hmm, A and B and C and, oh well.

Coming up, we have news on the way and then, do you care about what comes out of your tap when you drink your water?

Do you care about your kids when you send them outside to play?

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Right now though, we are going to talk about the recent news about the Environmental Protection Agency.

Seems important.

Our guest is with Wisconsin Conservation Voters.

Very excited to have Casey Hicks joining us.

Good morning, Casey.

How are you?

Good morning.

How are you?

Wonderful.

Thank you for having me, by

the way.

Absolutely.

Casey, for folks who are not familiar with Wisconsin Conservation Voters, can you tell us a little bit about your group?

Sure.

We've been around for over 20 years at this point.

We have 40,000 members across the state, and our mission is to engage voters to protect Wisconsin's environment.

To keep it short and simple, we try to elect people who are going to do

Exactly that, protect our environments and then work to hold them accountable once they're actually in office to pass good sound environmental policy and to hold them accountable to stop bad environmental policy.

And something we talk about Casey on this show a lot, whether it's between the two of us or with our guests, is that Wisconsin is Wisconsin.

We have a long tradition of having a deep love for conservation for our environment, for our beautiful.

We just went to the Northwoods a couple of weeks ago, and all I want to do is protect that area.

And it seems incumbent and common sense that we would want to preserve that lovely landscape, the good air, the good water here in Wisconsin.

And I imagine politicians would want to do the same.

Yeah, I would imagine so unfortunately it seems that when push comes to shove that's not always the case But you're exactly right.

We do have a really long history and tradition of conservation and being outdoors in Wisconsin I think people most often think of Gaylord Nelson and the legacy that he left yes that being really some great symbol of Wisconsin's leadership on conservation, but it goes way back before that and I think it's just

in our DNA when it comes to people going out hunting, fishing, hiking, camping, just generally getting outside all times of the year.

And we definitely experience every single season here in Wisconsin.

We talk a lot, Casey, about there are so many divisions and there are so many political divisions that things that people don't don't agree upon, but I do think

a major, and I'm guessing, but I still think a majority of Wisconsinites are very, very much conservationists and conservation minded.

I think there are some outliers, but I would like to think that this is one thing upon which we can agree.

And now we have the news that the Trump administration has shut down the Environmental Protection Agency's scientific arm, the EPA office

of research and development.

Hundreds of chemists, biologists, toxicologists, and other scientists are going to lose their jobs under the administration's plan to defund the EPA.

Were you surprised when this news came out this

week?

Unfortunately, no.

Not surprised given what's been happening with the second Trump administration.

And it comes at a particularly concerning time when EPA just announced that their

going through the rulemaking process to rescind the endangerment finding which is the legal underpinning to essentially every rule regulation that EPA has to protect us from greenhouse gas emissions.

So it is very worrying but unfortunately unsurprising.

What can people do who are listening?

I think there's a lot of frustration out there and we're all looking for

Action plans, something to do.

What do you suggest, Casey?

Yeah, well, let me back up just a little bit.

There is something for folks to do, but I think for them to actually carry out and make their voice heard, I want to make sure that they understand exactly what's happening.

So I mentioned the endangerment finding.

It came out of a Supreme Court ruling from 2007 that said EPA has the obligation and the requirement

to regulate greenhouse gases if they have an impact on people's health and the environment.

So the EPA went to their research, they looked at the science, and they found that greenhouse gases in fact do affect the environment and in fact people's health.

So that led to the 2009 Endangerment Finding.

EPA is allowed to

make endangerment findings after doing research to see what types of pollutants may be affecting people.

And they found that carbon dioxide, methane, and a mix of other greenhouse gases do in fact have an effect on our health, which I think to us is unsurprising.

And since then, when they came out with the 2009 endangerment finding, I mentioned that's been the legal underpinning for all these other different rules and regulations that protect our health.

So

Right now, not only are they considering removing the endangerment finding, they're also considering removing vehicle emission standards that were just passed in 2024 that would protect our health from tailpipe emissions, from cars and trucks, but also protect our wallets too, because since about 1966, we've had pollution standards for vehicles in the US and over the last two decades,

our vehicles have become about 35% more efficient than they have been.

So what that actually means is paying less of the pump, having to fill up less, saving money overall.

So I just want to give that context for what that actually means for people in their lives, because there is an opportunity right now to go and comment before the EPA on August 19th and 20th.

They're going to be holding virtual hearings on the endangerment finding.

and removing these vehicle emission standards.

So anyone is able to go and testify.

Everyone's impacted by climate change.

Everyone's impacted by these rules staying or not.

And so it's important to get out and share exactly how that would impact you health wise financially.

Also understand summer is a busy time and making an EPA hearing on a Tuesday might be difficult for people in the middle of the day.

Yeah.

So there's also a written comment period that goes until September 15th, but of course the sooner that people write up a comment, submit it, the better.

So if people want to do that and learn more information, they can go to our website, conservationvoters.org, sign up for our email updates, and we'll be sending out a toolkit very soon with example testimony that people can use and exactly how to submit their comments and sign up for testimony.

If you're just joining us, we're talking to Casey Hicks.

He is the federal governments affairs manager for Wisconsin conservation voters.

You're listening to Matt and Aaron air on civic media.

And Casey, uh, you know, I would love to be, I'd love to have the attitude of like, well, if they're going to do this, it must be for a good reason.

But honestly, like in my, is it cynical just to say they're, they're pulling back these protections because companies want to save money.

Companies want to do what they want.

Companies want to just live their lives and.

Whatever their actions are can harm us as much as they want, as long as their bottom line is still great for their shareholders.

That's, that to me is the bottom line.

It's not about quote, making America great again.

It's about making the pockets bigger for the companies that want to cause the harm to our environment.

I think it's very clear that there is a larger strategy to this that benefits corporate polluters and billionaires at our expense, of course.

So.

Yeah, I think you're exactly right on that when you bring that up and so when I brought up earlier that this is the legal underpinning to a whole host of other rules and regulations that protect our health if the endangerment finding does go away and By the way, we're not there yet.

We still have to go through this common period EPA still has to go through the rest of its rulemaking Process to actually rescind this so we could be several months to a year out before this actually happens

and then you better bet that there will probably be litigation and lawsuits that will happen to try to prevent it as well.

But in any case, it is clear that there's a larger strategy from the Trump administration to take this underpinning, this foundation away so that they can start to chip away at other rules and regulations that protect our health, that protect our wallets, like I said.

all this to the benefit of wealthy corporate polluters and not everyday folks like us.

Casey Hicks is our guest here on Matt Nair on air from the Wisconsin Conservation Voters and we're talking about changes at the EPA.

The Trump administration essentially wants to crush all the regulations and some of the core underpinnings of what the EPA or one of the core underpinnings of what has given the EPA the tools to induce some enforcement.

That's what they want to get rid of.

Casey, I'm curious when you hear from people and you must hear from people that climate change is a hoax and it doesn't exist.

And even though the vast majority of client scientists agree that the climate is changing and humans are causing it,

What can people, I have met family members who tell me, yeah, I talked to my buddy and he says, it's no climate change isn't real, so I believe him.

What can people come back with when you have relatives who say that to you?

Yeah, that's a great question.

And I'll be honest in saying that I'm not always sure how to approach that conversation myself with my own relatives if they don't believe in climate change.

So I think that

The science is obviously very clear that climate change is happening and It's affecting us right here now and there's multiple things that are literally happening to us at this moment that we can point to the wildfire smoke that we have experiencing over the last week the Heat that we've been feeling very recently and not just very recently, but for the last 10 years

every year has been the hottest year on record

and it's

trumped the previous one.

No pun intended.

But so there is that fact to point to.

That said, people may still want to believe what they want to believe when it comes to that.

I think an economic argument is really strong for investing in clean energy, for making our cars more fuel efficient.

um and for that clean energy transition as a whole right now the cheapest form of energy in the fastest form of energy to deploy is wind and solar and battery storage and geothermal and we just recently had the budget reconciliation bill that went through that gutted tax credits for clean energy and that's incredibly uh disappointing um because

we needed those tax credits to be able to invest in those technologies to meet the moment that we're in for climate change, and those are gone.

But in any case, it's a good economic argument that investing in clean energy is cheaper, it brings jobs to our state, it brings jobs to our country, and it makes us globally competitive.

We're going to continue our conversation with Casey Hicks from Wisconsin Conservation Voters.

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Yes eight five five seven five two four eight four two leave a comment if you're watching on the live stream on Facebook YouTube and what used to be Twitter our guest is Casey Hicks.

He's the federal government affairs manager for Wisconsin conservation voters and we were talking right before we went to the break about changes to the EPA and the potential gutting essentially of the EPA

but in our chat during the breaks you said that Wisconsin actually just

with the recipient of a major loan program for safe drinking water.

Do you want to talk about that really quick, Casey?

Yeah, I can touch on that.

And just to full disclosure, I don't work on the state policy side of things.

So I'm not going to be able to probably give too much of like a wonky explanation of things.

But yeah, so the state budget just recently passed.

Governor Evers signed it back in early July.

and in the state budget this year was $732 million for the safe drinking water loan program here in Wisconsin which of course is very important for protecting drinking water.

Wisconsin has a host of different drinking water issues across the state from lead lateral service lines that are still in existence and

in various parts of the state to nitrate contamination and rural parts of the state due to over spreading of fertilizer manure to PFOS, which are an emerging contaminant that have been popping up all throughout the state over the last several years and throughout the country.

So that money is very important because it has been a long time coming to have some type of relief for people who can't safely drink tap water.

be a huge, huge impact on people in the state.

Well, we have some folks.

I'm thinking of French Island, which is outside of La Crosse, which is near La Crosse.

They've been drinking bottled water for years.

Yeah.

They've been drinking bottled water for years.

Yeah.

Because of this problem.

It's very good to see this coming through.

And I hope that it be.

be of great use because we have talked about in the past on various shows on the network regarding the drinking water problems here in the state.

And earlier in the earlier, you were talking about the, if people want to get involved in the matter about the EPA, there are listening sessions.

There are there, I'm sorry, comment sessions coming up soon.

Can you talk more about that again?

Yeah.

So August 19th and 20th, there are going to be virtual hearings that EPA is hosting.

We encourage people to sign up by August 12th.

That is coming up next week Tuesday and people can navigate over to EPA's websites to get the exact details on that.

People can also go to our website conservationvoters.org and sign up for emails because we'll be sending out more info along with the toolkit on how to actually put together comments and submit them.

So all those resources are available.

Again, if people can't make an EPA hearing on a Tuesday afternoon because they've got important things like work to do, they can submit written comment as well.

And we really encourage as many people as possible to do so because it's part of our democratic process.

EPA does look at all those comments.

If they get 20,000, 30,000, 100,000 comments.

their staff is looking at all of them.

So it is really important that we get as many comments submitted as possible.

And we'll make sure that we have the website, the Wisconsin Conservation Voters website on our show notes.

So if you want to find out more about the group or about signing up for the event, you can go to civicmedia.us slash shows.

Look for Matt and Aaron there.

And then today's episode in the first hour, we'll have all of that information as well, including anything else we talk about with regard to articles and groups we have guests from.

So yeah, you can go to civicmedia.us slash shows.

Another suggestion would be to contact your lawmaker.

Just go to myvote.

w i dot gov go to my vote dot w i dot gov all you have to do is type in your address and every person who represents you their name will come up along with all their contact information i don't know say for example you could call

Tom Tiffany, who just recently weighed in in Wisconsin and said that lousy Canada, they're not raking their forests enough.

That's why we're having wildfire smoke.

Maybe you could ask Tom Tiffany, what's changed in the last couple of years that we never had wildfire smoke until up three years ago.

So they were doing a really good job raking up until three years ago when all their rakes burned.

I'm just asking.

I'm just asking.

It's a question.

Welcome to Matt and Aaron here, Casey.

One of the things that Jane asked earlier and you spoke to is like, Casey, is how do you approach people or how do you discuss with people?

Yeah, there is no

climate

change.

Or that it's not as bad as it seems.

And I always, whenever someone says,

They don't believe it or in your example, my friend said, so I heard in a podcast, I said, my first thought is always to say, cool, can you provide me information on either the podcast or their qualifications, the articles they're citing or the information they're relaying to you?

Because I always see this, if climate change isn't real, okay, go with me here, if climate change isn't real, I want to know.

So give me the information.

Unfortunately, whenever I ask for that information, it always kinds of goes into like, hey, Packers are looking really good this season.

So I'm like, all right, cool.

So

you, great.

I

appreciate, I appreciate your thoughts and fine, you don't want to believe in it, but it's still, you don't have to believe in climate change.

It's not a law to do that, but it still affects you every single day.

And caring about your water, caring about your air, caring about the world you leave behind for your children and your friends' children is important.

So Casey, thank you so much for being here and telling us about what, not only about what's going on, but what we can do.

to make an impact in this process.

Casey Hicks is the federal government affairs manager for Wisconsin conservation voters.

Thank you so much, Casey.

Really appreciate your time.

And as Greg said, we'll get all those links in our show notes as well.

Thank you so much.

Thank you for having

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Delighted to be joined by our next guest State Representative, Jenna Jacobson is here.

Good morning, Representative.

How are you?

I'm well.

Good morning to you all, too.

Really glad to have you with us.

I wanted to start off.

This is an article from the Wisconsin Examiner.

Henry Redman has the byline.

And I just wanted to mention that Senator Howard Markline, who is a Republican from Wisconsin, says that farmers are not concerned about Donald Trump's policies.

Apparently everything's great.

Well, I'm going to go home then.

I'll see you guys later.

Our farmers are worried.

Don't worry about tariffs.

Don't worry about losing all your workers.

Everything's good.

Representative, you had a recent event

where you appeared with Brad Paff and also our friend for another show, Darren Von Ruden, recently at a farm.

I'm curious what you're hearing from Wisconsin farmers.

I'm hearing that farmers are concerned.

And I think one of the things that is driving that concern is the.

flip-flopping back and forth of are we going to have a tariff?

What's the cost of that tariff going to be?

When's it going to be implemented?

And then suddenly it's not going to happen or it's changing.

And that makes it really hard for everybody, but specifically farmers, to make plans and understand the markets that they're trying to work in to sell their products.

So I'm not sure exactly why.

Howard Markline said that because that is the opposite of what I've been hearing from folks around the district.

Almost makes one wonder if Howard Markline has actually talked to any farmers, but you know, one wonders.

One wonders.

I'm curious.

I mean, it just, it seems like a very convenient way to.

to hand wave away the question is that, you know, I'm, I know what's going on.

They're fine.

They're, they're tough people.

And, and it goes back to that sentiment goes back to something we've discussed for a long time on this show is that farmers, I don't say this phrase lightly because I feel like a lot of people do and they use it as a, as a campaigning phrase, but.

Farmers are truly the backbone of this society.

The agriculture that goes on, especially in Wisconsin, is so vital to the progress of the state, the country, the world, and farmers persist.

They keep going.

They do the job.

And they're not doing it because they're like, they're doing it because they have to and they want to and they're a passion, but like it's the work.

It's the thing they need to do.

They just want to work.

And I do not understand why we would make it even harder than it already is for them.

with not just terrorists, but other aspects too, as far as staffing being taken away from them as well at a moment's notice.

But it just feels like we should be holding up farmers, like we should be holding up teachers.

And yet we have people like, and he's not the only one who just say things like, ah, the farmers are fine.

They're not fine.

And they're saying something.

They're standing up.

And it's regardless of who they voted for, they need our help.

Right.

Yep.

100% and you know farmers are strong and they are resilient but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't do everything that we can to help make their job easier to help them do the work that we we need them to do

right the

backbone in Wisconsin it's over a hundred billion dollars added to our economy it's one in ten jobs is related to the agricultural industry that is a massive impact to our state not to mention

I mean, we're America's Dairyland.

It's our heritage that we have to be preserving.

And so the idea that anybody doesn't care about what is happening to our farmers, to our agricultural heritage, and this incredibly important industry to our state is beyond what I would believe somebody would

say.

What are you talking about?

How can you say those things?

It beggars belief.

It really does.

And when Darren von Ruden was on our show earlier this week, he had mentioned Wisconsin continues to lose dairy farms at a frightening pace, truly.

Yes, yeah, we're we're down to just over.

I think it's like 5300 dairy farms.

We're seeing large consolidation.

We're seeing the loss of small farms.

In fact, I wrote a bill last session.

We're getting ready to reintroduce it that tries to help with that succession planning so we can have more people enter into farming because it is just.

so expensive and so hard to do.

And we know that if we as a state aren't doing something to promote our small farms to help people get back into that industry, we're going to continue to lose more farms.

We're going to continue to see this consolidation.

And it really makes you think about our agricultural heritage and what that vision is going to look like in the future.

State Representative Jenna Jacobson is our guest, and we're talking about the state of Wisconsin farmers, tariffs, immigration raids, all of these things going on.

I'm wondering, Representative, for people who may not appreciate the damage that consolidating can bring, the damage, that massive consolidation of all these family farms, what does that mean for consumers?

Is this good for consumers?

Well, I think it gets rid of, or you know, it changes the consumer choice.

I think it also, you think about the, we have this incredible local food movement that is happening throughout our state.

I think.

you know, Wisconsinites really enjoy being able to go to their neighbor to get their beef, to get their vegetables, and when you see more consolidation and less people getting into farming, that relationship with your food, with your neighbors, kind of goes away.

I also feel like when we talk about environmental support,

when you have farmers who are living in your community and taking care of that soil and their waterways and their kids are going to those schools, they're looking at their environment differently than if it's some corporate farm that's

just

coming in and popping a huge building into a bunch of land that they've recently acquired.

And you make a really important point, Representative, I think, in that

You know, a lot of these corporate companies, they don't have folks who are on the ground here.

They don't live, as you said, they don't live in these communities.

They don't send their kids to these schools.

The health of these smaller communities is not necessarily of their concern as opposed to an independent farmer who, that is their community.

The schools are the backbone of rural communities in Wisconsin.

Absolutely they absolutely are the backbone and you know and that's another thing that we see in addition to not investing in our in our farming in our agricultural industry we're not seeing an investment in schools that protects our rural schools and that's another thing that Howard has been lacking on in his tenure and we have to we have to see that change we have to start fully funding our schools we have to be investing in our rural communities and our farms so we can keep our rural heritage.

Yeah, I think that's the important point to make in the conversation too.

When we talk about farming, it's important to mention when we're talking about the protection of our local farmers, our small business farmers.

I feel like when we talk about farming, individuals can propose it as like, we need to help our farmers.

Like, who are we helping?

Is that money going to a corporation?

Or is that going to the guy who literally lives 20 minutes from my house right now?

And I think that's an important distinction to make because it's so intertwined.

And when we talk about cutting a check for farmers as they did years ago to make up for what happened to them because of the first trade war, we need to make sure that, okay, I don't think farmers would say no to some relief.

They want to work.

They want to get the work done.

if the money is going to be cut, if there's going to be a check, that it goes to the individuals who are actually providing the services to our state that make the most

difference.

Not necessarily this big conglomerate.

Sorry, that's me railing against corporate farming.

My apologies

for a moment

there.

You're fine

with me.

Go ahead.

No, I was just going to say yes, and to that point,

So we had a federal program called the local food purchasing program.

And the USDA cut that earlier this year.

Senator Paff and I introduced a bill to attempt to recreate that at the state level.

So we're giving grants to our farmers, our small farmers, but that food is also then going to our local food pantries.

It's going to the folks who need it the most.

And again, focusing on fresh, healthy local food that people

could have.

And so I keep going back to there are things that we can't change everything at state level, but there are so many things that we can be doing that would be impactful to our farmers, to our rural communities that just haven't been getting done.

And we need to start focusing on the people of Wisconsin.

I'm going to cite from this article again from the Wisconsin Examiner about the recent event that you had along with Brad Peff and Darren Von Ruden.

Tom Tiffany again.

says that through actions like raising the estate tax exemption for farms and setting up trade agreements with countries around the world, Wisconsin farmers now get to benefit from free markets.

This estate tax exemption I have heard come up a lot of times when Republicans are trying to justify these big cuts.

Doesn't the estate tax really impact that many family farms in Wisconsin?

Do you know?

I don't know offhand my guess would be probably shouldn't guess but you know agriculture is expensive right land is expensive equipment is expensive so those things add up pretty quickly and I think that's why we need to make the transition succession planning a huge part of the conversation and really focus on.

That you know as people are wanting to get out of farming or retire from farming or looking at what's going to happen with with their agricultural assets after after they pass to make that transition smoother and so that people can get into farming because that's the other component of it is that People can't afford to they can't afford to buy the land or the equipment and and again That's why I had this farming former bill to to help ease that transition because we need to get that next generation

make it easier for them, right?

Make it so that they can get into farming.

And make a living at it.

That's kind of an important component of that whole thing, which again, I think people forget.

Yeah, I do.

I think this is purely petty from my point.

But I just, for me, when I hear someone, like we're talking about very common sense, which should be bipartisan solutions.

And someone like Tom Tiffany says, the estate tax, I'm like, where did that even come from?

What are you talking about right now?

No one brought that up.

I'm talking about trying to just make it easier for them.

And that can be a part of the solution.

Yes, but we need clearer, more pointed solutions than just like, oh, we'll take care of a tax.

It's not, it's not the solution you think it is.

Well, and you know, as we see farms decreasing, who's going to be the majority of people benefiting from the estate tax exemption?

That would be the next question.

Very good question.

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Joining us is State Representative Jenna Jacobson, and we are talking about

Wisconsin farmers and all the challenges that they're facing tariffs as well.

And I did want to share this that came in on the live stream representative, even though this isn't specific to farmers, but I still think it's important.

If you're still talking about tariffs, while we're not forward, we are already feeling them.

I own a small micro brewery in Eau Claire.

I placed an order this morning from a company that imports from Canada after shipping.

costs.

There's now a tariff charge.

So in addition to taxes, shipping on this order now has a $100 tariff charge.

This is a small order.

I can't imagine what it's going to be when we need to order cans in the spring.

Small businesses cannot withstand these added costs.

And this is multiplied by a billion all around the country.

Yeah, tariffs are I think

especially this fall, we're really starting to see the impacts.

You know, we were talking about farmers earlier, they're seeing the impacts as they're purchasing their inputs, as well as it's back to school time

at

three kiddos.

And unfortunately, or unfortunately, they grew all summer.

So I have to buy new pants for them and new shoes.

New

shoes.

Yep, yep.

And in addition to all the back to school supplies, and we're feeling it, we're seeing it impacting the back to school shopping.

it's just gonna keep growing and growing.

And Wisconsin families are already strapped.

We've already been struggling, right?

We've been hearing so much grocery costs.

At first I thought it was cause two of my kiddos are teenagers, but it turns out.

They're

not just eating like moose, yes.

Right, right, right.

So we're already feeling the pinch with other...

with other costs.

And now we're going to have these tariffs on top of it.

Small businesses, exactly.

We've been highlighting and hearing about the impacts to small businesses around the state.

This is really, really starting to hurt Wisconsin folks across the state.

And we've got to push back on our federal delegation.

I know I've been working with our federal partners to say that this is, we can't afford this.

We don't need more taxes.

And you were speaking earlier about the ability you were pushing through to help farmers with a program to get funding, to allow them to grow food, to donate to pantries.

And in the politics side of it, you made the announcement that you are a state representative right now, but you are running for state senate.

So can you tell us more about that?

Yeah, so I announced on July 7th that I'm going to challenge Howard Markline.

I'm running for state senate, flip the 17th senate district.

And there's so many reasons why I want to do this.

In addition to the fact that I think my conversations with people around the district, they are frustrated with not being heard.

They're frustrated with feeling like when they finally do get to talk to their state senator that then he goes to the Capitol and votes in the ways they're not asking.

So I go back to, you know, farmers are concerned.

Perhaps they're just not sharing that with him because he has a history of not listening for the past 15 years.

I mean, that's, he wouldn't be the first elected official who claims to be of the farmers and does nothing to help the farmers.

I'm only looking to Western Wisconsin, the third Devon one.

Um, but like.

And I think that's important.

I think that's absolutely great.

I'm all for someone stepping in and saying, no, let's actually do the work and help these individuals

out.

And challenge some of these people who have been there for a long time.

As you said, Howard Markline's been there for a long time and is not necessarily responsive anymore to constituents, which is yet another reminder of why we don't need or want.

extreme gerrymandering because when you do that, you insulate politicians on all sides so that they don't have to respond to you.

Oh, did we lose you, Representative?

And I apologize for interrupting you earlier.

Not at

all.

I'm here.

Can you hear me still?

Yeah.

No?

Yes, we're good.

Okay.

All right.

Sorry.

School funding is another thing that's been an issue in this district.

We have had some of the most amount of school referenda in the past two years of any other Senate district.

We have had elementary schools close in consolidation because of lack of funding.

And under this most recent state budget, we have so many schools that are losing general ed funding.

So while you'll hear a lot, talk a lot about special education reimbursement going up, what they're not talking about is that the general aid is

As in a lot of cases going down, I believe it was 60% of schools in this district is going down.

And again, we talk about costs to families and cost to people in the district.

They're already strapped with grocery costs.

The tariffs are going to be hitting them.

And now we have school districts that are going to be asking for more money

so that

they can continue to do the basics.

But they need their, you know, they're going to ask voters to increase their property taxes.

And this is just another cost that people can't

forward right now.

We talked about this quite a bit yesterday, Representative, just about the fact that Republicans love to talk about fixing things and they just never seem to get around to actually doing the fixes.

Or investing in education instead of sitting on this surplus

investing in our schools so that we don't constantly have to go to referendum to keep our schools running.

There's a lot more to cover.

We're just about out of time.

We will include context for your campaign, as well as the article that we were talking about, State Representative Jenna Jacobson has been our guest.

Thank you so very much for your time this morning, Representative.

Really appreciate

it.

Thank you again for having me.

I really appreciate the time.

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We call it audio sorbet.

Today, it's a special edition audio sorbet with a side of deep fried gripes.

Well, let me tell you something, boy.

Nice job, Calvinator.

We're talking a horrifying state fair foods.

This is the last weekend of the great Wisconsin State Fair, by the way, ranked number three of the greatest state fairs in the country.

Of all states fair?

Of all states fair, Wisconsin State Fair number three.

I think Minnesota's number one, Iowa's number two, fine.

Well,

you know, and we got number three.

It makes sense that the three of us are top threes.

You know,

I don't

really think,

you

know, Michigan, you're fine, but I feel like if you're talking about state fair and everything goes into a state fair, Minnesota, Iowa, and Wisconsin have probably have it unlocked.

Unlocked, yeah, I like that.

So Readers Digest compiled a list of the worst deep fried state fair foods from all over the country.

Readers, Readers Digest!

I know, I was very delighted when I saw this this morning.

Kids, ask your memaw.

She knows what Reader's Digest is.

I love their abridged books.

So some of the worst deep-fried state fair foods according to Reader's Digest.

Number one, we got your fried scorpions at the Arizona State Fair.

Okay, Arizona, let's just take a moment here.

First of all, you don't need a state fair.

There's like four people living in your state.

I think there's more than

that.

Okay, fine, there's more, but still it's...

You don't have to be so on the nose with who you are, you know, that would be like having Wisconsin having like deep fried, I don't know, pickup truck.

I have no idea, but like deep fried scorpions.

I feel like you're just, you're just showing off.

Fine, take that Arizona.

Also on the list of worst deep fried state fair foods, fried jelly beans at the Massachusetts State Fair.

Why?

I don't know.

Why would you do that?

I just think it's all about nowadays, it's all about should.

It's the novelty of it.

It's like this won't necessarily be good, but it's new.

Yeah, it's a food that you can actively pay too much for.

with middling to low expectations.

You can say like, Oh, this, these, these six deep fried jelly beans were $12 and they're terrible.

But man, I just paid $12 for deep fried

jelly.

Got it

all over my socials.

Exactly.

Exactly.

It's about the

clout

baby.

The important thing.

I, I dispute this one.

This is also on the list of worst deep fried foods at state fairs, fried meatballs.

at the Minnesota State Fair.

That

can't be a thing.

That's not a thing all

over the place.

Fried meatballs, deep fried spaghetti and meatballs, on a stick at the Minnesota State Fair.

Deep fried spaghetti and meatballs.

Okay, that

sounds interesting because it just to me, I picture a

corn dog.

Extra

element.

Yeah, exactly.

And also Calvin, you know, whatever, he put in our chat, something really on the nose like deep fried cheese or deep fried butter, you're right, Wisconsin would never be that cliche.

I swear to God, I swear to God.

Okay.

Cheese and butter is something we can all get around.

Worldwide.

Deep fried cheese, here you go.

It's called a cheese curd.

Everyone would do that.

You get 10 people together.

Give them deep fried cheese and a deep fried scorpion.

Which one do you think they're going for?

We win.

Calvin.

You

are completely right, Greg.

I just found- That's all I needed to hear!

I just found it funny that when you were giving that example...

I said, you know, Wisconsin, that'd be like Wisconsin having deep fried.

And I knew you wanted to say cheese, but you skipped it with pickup truck.

I

don't know.

I'm not that smart nor funny.

So I guess.

Speaking of Wisconsin State Fair on the list of the worst deep fried state fair foods, fried butter.

Calvin is on there.

I just

don't understand

deep fried butter.

I don't.

It's a, it's a dough ball with a.

butter in the middle and it's it's molten lava.

And that was the thing we talked about this like I think we talked about it when the fair was starting is things like deep fried Snickers and deep fried Oreos those things they melt in that casing and when you bite into them it's literally just hot lava being shot into your mouth and it's disgusting.

Deep

fried Snickers also on this list I think that they cite this Florida State Fair but I know I tried that

A couple of years ago when my husband and I went to the Wisconsin State Fair it kind of ruined the Snickers Actually it did because like you said it all melts into one little glob.

Yeah, and then it's just like oh this tastes like peanuts and nothing

worst Deep-fried state fair foods that is our audio sorbet with a side of deep-fried gripes on a stick Greg supplying that deep-fried beer Get out of here the Texas State Fair they insert the drink

Into a pocket of pretzel like dough and try it fry it for 20 seconds Thank goodness the cook quick cook time means that the beer keeps its alcohol content because otherwise what's the point

yeah guys you guys want a Hot breaded beer boy.

Oh boy.

What'd you do last night?

I wasted on deep fried beer everybody.

I

had

400 of them I

don't want

to drink Lone Star when it's cold.

I don't want to drink when it's hot worst

Deep-fried of state fair foods, compiled by Reader's Digest.

Fried Coca-Cola.

Doesn't even say where this is.

No one wants to claim it.

Similar to beer, you can get a refreshing Coke popped in the fryer.

Chefs create a dough batter made of normal dough, and then add Coca-Cola, and then they fry it.

Yep, no.

Fried Kool-Aid balls.

Okay, so here's the thing about that.

In that article, which will be in the show notes, they have all these pictures of the foods.

And not all of them are the actual, like the deep fried scorpion.

It's just a picture of the scorpion.

But they just have the image of the packet of Kool-Aid.

So you can't even see what a deep fried Kool-Aid would look like.

It just feels like it looks as terrible as it sounds.

San Diego County Fair offers deep fried Kool-Aid balls.

True aficionados recognize that kids drinks are best served as a finger food.

So again, that's going to be like deep fried Coca Cola.

So it's going to have this one little have a lot of, you know, lava hot ball of cherry Kool-Aid in the middle.