A Five Year Old Could Explain This (Hour 1)

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We're gonna talk about Wisconsin's own Sean Duffy.

Oh boy.

Head of the Department of Transportation.

Something happened over in Minot, North Dakota yesterday.

They're just having all the bum luck.

Yeah, not good.

It was not good.

So we will be talking about that with Todd.

Also, this is breaking now just as we're coming on the air.

Departments of Justice Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche on Twitter this morning.

announcing that they are going to interview Jelaine Maxwell about information related to the Epstein files.

So this is gonna be their, what, third, fourth, tenth conversation with

her?

This will be the first one.

They've never talked to her before?

They have never spoken to her before.

And now they need some distraction because people aren't happy.

No, they're not happy, but there are definitely a lot of individuals who want to quote unquote help the cause by also saying things like we need to focus on other things and move on This is an important nothing to see here weird cuz two weeks ago It was the end all be all of importance and now all of a sudden we've got we've got things to take care of Jane that are more important like I don't know

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I have no idea.

Well, we're gonna get we're gonna kick that around with Todd around 950 in hour number two, Corinne Hendrickson, who has been on the show many, many times.

Childcare daycare on a daycare center in Wisconsin is now going to close it.

Yes.

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just a couple of weeks ago and did not include all of the childcare funding that had been asked for and she just can't make it.

She just can't make it.

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All right, we wanted to start off with this, though, this from WISP Politics and the headline reads, MMAC leader says Trump just wrong on tariffs.

So tell me more about this big.

Gigantic liberal telling me that Donald Trump is wrong.

Who is this lily lily livid lefty lunatic?

Yes, the crazy lunatic lefty president of the Metropolitan Milwaukee Association of Commerce is Dale Coynga.

I've heard of him.

Yeah, he was a Republican lawmaker here in Wisconsin.

Oh

Yeah, yeah, he's a Republican.

Mm-hmm.

Just want to say that again.

Yeah case some people are

not hearing correctly.

Dale Koanga is a Republican and says Donald Trump is just wrong on tariffs as trade and key partners are the ones who take a hit amid the uncertainty about US policies.

Because again, with this Mr. Dealmaker, great deals in 90 days.

Well, we're past that now.

Far past that.

Now it's in two weeks or

A deal here, a deal, they're trickling in.

The Trump administration says they're being inundated with calls.

Everybody wants to make a deal.

We just can't announce them yet.

No, and if I'm not mistaken, I feel, I'll look this up right this moment, but I feel like there actually hasn't been a single deal made.

Well, he keeps moving the deadlines.

It's like, don't cross this line.

Wait, let me move it.

Don't cross this line.

Well, I'll push that back too.

Oh, according to this, we have struck a few deals with some countries

like

four Vietnam, one to European Union, Indonesia, China, United Kingdom, Kingdom and Vietnam, which, you know, hey, nothing to shake a stick at.

It's more deals than I've done.

But the way they make it sound like it, I think they said something about like 200 deals.

I'm like, there's only 192 countries.

But also the note, the notion that what you just said here is that is that

maybe if the, if the, the tariff deal was announced and actually stuck to like, Hey, we're going to raise tariffs on Canada by 5%.

And then do that instead of saying, we're going to raise tariffs on Canada, 250,000%.

Oh, we're just kidding.

It's 12%.

The, the, it's constantly being changed.

There's

no consistency.

Well,

they're moving the line all the time.

And that's something business doesn't like, although.

I want to check the stock market.

I feel like the stock market had initial problems in April, like when we lost like 5% of our worth on the stock market.

But now I feel like the stock market just knows that no matter what happens, whatever he says, it's going to be fine because he'll walk it back and change his mind.

Those huge dips

are

happening as much as they were

because they're

just like just give it if in 48 hours It still looks like this then maybe but for now just just let it go

What does that tell you that Wall Street is ignoring Trump?

Yeah, essentially.

It's like yeah, he says that now Let's just ignore it for a couple days.

You're right and see what happens.

Yeah, that's so comforting Signing those close to the president as well as Donald Trump's own remarks Dale Coinga said

Trump truly believes tariffs are a positive economic tool.

He's just wrong about that, says Coinga, the Republican who previously served in the state Senate.

He also pointed to a large consensus of mainstream economists across the political spectrum who say more free trade is better than tariffs.

Are you kind of pointing to like, I don't know.

Science and math and all that stuff?

I don't know that that's gonna fly, Dale.

Well, I mean, we don't... We don't believe science anymore.

Well, some people don't believe science anymore.

This is just another example of what a former politician can do and say when they leave office.

Isn't that amazing?

It's amazing how they don't have to worry about backlash or punishment.

They're unencumbered to speak the truth.

And the truth isn't a... I mean, he takes a swipe at university funding and research in there.

So he's not some liberal... He's not some former Republican who's now a Barack Obama liberal.

He's still a conservative.

Yes.

of beliefs, he's just speaking common sense and logically that when you raise tariffs, prices go up, we have to pay.

And that puts a strain on the economy.

And that has been explained seven ways to Sunday on various social media news programs where it's just, it's that thing of like, how do you not understand this at this point?

And I feel like the tariff discussion for those who are still very like,

Mega like they're like, oh, they love mega.

They just can't get enough of it They kind of they kind of say like well, we you know the tariffs are the tariffs don't worry about that because they know that they're gonna pay more They already know

they're

gonna

pay more what we were told that we were told to expect two years of pain

Elon said two years of pain and and the president said on through social just deal with it so

It's it just goes back to the thing of like we keep on explaining this point that the prices are gonna go up and the and the economy Can get worse and we are now five months into the administration as James Vanderloo said who is the president of OEC OEC Milwaukee he said that it's gonna take three to six to twelve months To understand the full impact of these tariffs as these as they are solidified because right now the deals have been struck with less than a dozen countries, but we will see the impending

Pain that is supposedly coming

one again as you said it takes a while for this to show up Port director Port of Milwaukee director.

Yeah is seeing lower activity overall Port director Jackie Carter says salt shipments coming from Canada are almost 60% lower than at this point last year Some of that has to do with what we had in stock and where we don't have space to replace those cargoes, but a lot of this

has to do with a slower start to the year because of all the uncertainty.

And as Koinga points out to the Port figures, he says, by the way, we don't have salt mines in Wisconsin.

So saying we don't need it from Canada, we'll just make it here.

We can't make salt.

No, Jane, you're wrong.

We're just going to

make it.

We're going to create salt mines.

We're going to put kids in there.

They're going to mine that salt and then America will be great again because we got.

kids working good jobs, they'll pay them, I don't know, a dollar an hour.

But yeah, it's, it's, it's this also in that same article, it says that, you know, Wisconsin has a trade surplus, $2 billion trade surplus with Canada, because Wisconsin is a very powerful manufacturing sector.

So we could lose that surplus and lose that viability.

If these things continue, these, these tariffs have knock on effects for not only the consumer, but also the people who are in the industries that the tariffs

effect they're going to be affected because as we saw with ginseng if it comes too expensive for Canada to take our goods they'll find

them somewhere else and they'll

never

Come back.

Exactly.

We're still reeling from Trump 1.0 the first time around with all the markets that our farmers lost because of that mess.

Gene from Eau Claire, I see you on the line.

We will take you on the other side.

We got a text from Don in Waukesha.

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We were talking about tariffs and the...

Former Republican lawmaker here in Wisconsin the head of the Metro Milwaukee Association of Commerce Says President Trump is just wrong mm-hmm on tariffs Because trade and key partners are the ones who take the hit he didn't mention you as consumers because we take the hit as

well absolutely,

but that's kind of a ring from the

administration line.

And in other news, breaking Dale Koenga is labeled as Rhino by the mega party.

This just in Dale Koenga, Rhino.

Rhino.

Because he's dare speak against dear leader.

And honestly, as I mentioned before, just said something that's based in logic and common sense.

Well, we can't have that doesn't even take honestly, doesn't take economists or doesn't and doesn't take

you know, finance experts to explain how tariffs work.

It really does.

Apparently it does.

Oh, my God.

Apparently it does.

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Good morning, Jean.

Thanks for joining us.

Well, good morning, guys.

Now, this is my own personal biased opinion.

OK.

OK.

My first response is, yeah.

And another thing is, God dang, I don't even call by his name.

I call him like a DJT.

It's like a disease or illness that's infected our entire country and the world.

But I'll go aside from there.

And he's like a weapon of mass destruction through weapons of deception and chaos.

And

he takes

from the poor,

and give to the wealthy, hey, they got their pocketbooks open and they run into the banks.

Well, anyway, also, I hope people are watching the hearings with his yes men, who are now running our country, taking from our department that every single American depends on and spending it for his alligator alcatraz.

Boy, people ought to look at that.

and every country is watching us and they're wondering what the devil's going on with those americans they must be different than what we thought of because they keep voting these people until people wake up and watch those hearings watch the hearings oh on Epstein oh my gosh you know hey we've got a history of pedophilia in the republic

Republican party, I'm sorry to tell ya.

I mean, the Democrats, they may do some things too there, but the pedophilia that they, you know, don't look at me, look at that guy over there who really isn't doing it, but I'm gonna distract and point him out.

And you know, the guy, I can't remember his full name.

He was a speaker in the house and he was Republican.

Oh, Denny Hastert.

Yeah, Dennis Hastert.

Yeah, Denny Hastert.

Yep.

And the way they went after people all the time and hear that man was in prison, I don't know where he is now because there's too much going on to follow up on that one.

But he had young boys.

And you know, this is so alarming to me because people need to wake up and look at the facts and see what's going on here.

And that man needs to be sent home or wherever they want to put him in a prison really and seriously.

But that's my opinion.

And you guys have a good day, and I'm continuing watching those hearings because you know what?

They don't have budgets, and they don't know where a lot of the money's going, billions, so pay attention, folks, because you're getting robbed.

Have a good day.

Thanks, Gene.

You keep watching them.

Yeah.

You keep them watching.

You keep watching them.

Keep them honest.

Gene's on your tail.

She is.

And I applaud Gene

for it.

Absolutely.

She really watches what's going on.

She

does.

Don from Waukesha texted in listening on WAUK.

General Motors, I saw this yesterday, General Motors reported that its core profit sank over 32% in the second quarter.

This has tariff headwind sapped $1.1 billion from its results.

The Big Three automakers warn the hit will be deeper in the current quarter.

providing food for thoughts to investors who are looking at the Trump trade policy.

And when I'm thinking about, you know, when we were discussing the farmers from Trump 1.0 being decimated through various... They got their bailout.

But that's the thing is, they get their bailout.

I think it was $12 billion.

This country has a history of bailing out the audio industry in recent years.

So if they lose enough, what stops Detroit and other manufacturers from just putting their hand out saying, hey, we're about to go under.

We need your help.

And Trump's saying, well, yeah, I got you.

We'll put together a package because we have to save the auto industry.

Well, I'll put together

a package for you.

Want to donate to my library?

Yeah,

absolutely.

Because that's how things work within the Trump world.

What are you going to give me

if

I give you?

Absolutely.

It's very

much a quid pro quo, transactional kind of thing.

Which if that does happen, I'm just going to put this out here.

I would love to see Elon Musk's reaction because they're his competition and he doesn't like them and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all that stuff.

But yeah, I foresee bailouts.

more than just the farmers and and and honestly I don't even like calling it bailouts to the farmers because they were hit without like this wasn't nefarious on their part they needed to help and they got help and that's good but

I don't know the auto industry to two bailouts and this this has not happened by the way It's just how I see it.

The piece is falling down the road.

Well, we'll watch it.

Yeah, exactly

watch it and see

what

happens We have news coming up next and then when we return our friend and colleague Todd all the host of the Todd all by show from two to four across the network joining us on the other side Wisconsin's own Sean Duffy

We want to go to Minot, North Dakota.

I think there's some things going on there.

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Todd Alba from the incredible Todd Alba show two to four across the civic media network is live from his patio in Madison.

Good morning, my friend.

How are you?

Jane, Greg, Kelvin together again.

So the Muppets,

right?

Yes.

Yes, yes.

We're

back together again after spending much of last week together.

What a thrill.

It was great.

We had a great time with all the stops, but that cabin at Lena's in the North Woods there, Lena's Northern Pines Resort.

Greg Bach and I went out and had coffee in the morning.

It was absolutely quiet.

And we both looked up and said, Serenity now!

It was great.

It was.

It was just a wonderful trip.

And thanks again to everybody who put it together and helped pull this off and all of our wonderful guests.

And we just had so much fun.

It was it was fantastic.

Hopefully we'll be able to do another one.

I'd like to get back on the road.

Looking forward to it.

Yeah, we should get us get ourselves back on the road.

Next month or

two we talked about this three of us over over a beverage or two and I think we kind of all agreed you guys correct me if I'm wrong

One of the greatest, not the greatest takeaway, at least for me, is I always get more out of going on the road than I feel like I give into the community

visit.

Yes.

Because I get so much out of it listening to people on the ground.

It reminds me of what's really important, the vast majority of Wisconsinites.

And it's just nice to finally, you know, we do this every day and we're looking, in your case, you guys are looking at each other.

I'm looking at a wall or zombers or out on State Street.

And, you know, you think, well, is anybody listening sometimes?

Right.

And then when you meet

the people who are, and they tell you what's really on their mind, that just re-energizes me.

So I thank all of our listeners and viewers.

Yes, very much so.

And just to have the folks, we had Logan stop by when we were here and Steve stop by and just those little...

We listen.

We love you.

It means the world.

It really does.

It absolutely means the world.

So thank you to everybody, again, who came out and supported our shows as we took them out on the road.

I did want to talk a little bit about Wisconsin's own Sean Duffy.

Todd.

Our head of the Department of Transportation because he's traveled on roads and he's been in planes.

I assume that's pretty much He's

also in charge of rockets

and rockets and he can roll logs So what why wouldn't you appoint him the head of the Department of Transportation?

This is a really concerning thing that happened.

I believe it was yesterday This is from CBS Skywest flight does aggressive maneuver

to avoid a B 52 bomber.

Oh, this happened Friday night.

The pilot of a Sky West flight told passengers he had to perform an aggressive maneuver to avoid a B 52 that was in flight as he was coming into land in Minot, North Dakota.

Apparently.

There was an air show going on, or there was a North Dakota State Fair was happening, so the B-52 was doing a flyover over the fair.

The air traffic controllers in Minot don't use radar.

It's all visual, and I know that this isn't unusual for some airports, but this is a tragedy that was narrowly averted.

Yeah, no, I totally absolutely was a tragedy early averted.

I I watched the reporting on this this morning CBS for all of its problems these days They still have some great reporters and one of the great reporters at Chris van cleave, which is their transportation reporter and and according to their reporting and

Look, I'm not I'm not disputing.

Could there be more qualified people than Sean Duffy to be the transportation secretary?

Oh, yeah, I think the answer is yes on that I mean he was a member of Congress in addition to his reality TV and Fox News stuff and you know, he did get both Democratic Senator Tammy Baldwin and Ron Johnson from Wisconsin voted to confirm him So that's something but this thing in North Dakota it appears kid is very very early yet It appears what happened is as you said Jay the

There was an air show, just like we were at last weekend in Oshkosh, not nearly as big, but a similar air show.

The B-52s or that squatter of B-52s is based, I don't know, 10, 12, 15 miles away from where this air show is happening.

And to your point, Jane, as I understand it, I'm only reporting what other legit reporters have said, that apparently the air traffic controllers at the Minot Airport are

from a private company.

And so that airport doesn't have this own radar.

They rely, whether it's the Air Force's radar, 15 miles away or wherever.

But it's a private, I think one of the key things, this is a privatized company.

And

we don't.

These are contractors and I don't we don't know yet exactly what happened again the keyword It appears that perhaps the air traffic controller as a contractor made a mistake Air Force claims it went through the route before the B-52 flew over the Delta pilot coming out of the twin cities going to Minot says everything was copacetic there big credit to the pilot of the Delta Airlines flight according to a passenger did a major U-turn and looked out the window and they all you see is ground I mean that's that's how

hard it was

Well, and let's

just look back when the Trump administration took over in January and how they handled.

say the FAA and our air traffic controllers.

And first it was, we got to fire everybody.

And now they're like, you're 65.

Do you really need to retire already?

Why don't you work a couple more years?

Come on.

Why don't you stay?

When's the last time we heard about the old doggy doggy Yeah, doji, you know suddenly you don't hear a lot about that anymore.

No, no, it's out of favor It's no longer.

It's no longer cool to talk about apparently not, you know two things that mean on this topic one It reminds me though the conversation we had with dick napinsky last week in Oshkosh where he did, you know, this is not to

Not to say what happened wasn't important or wasn't it was tragedy averted but What I didn't know was that air travel has actually been safer over the past 50 years, which is good to know Unfortunately, we don't talk about that in the press conferences and the press releases but what's happening with the FAA is a systemic problem that's been also happening for decades as well and and I would like to see

Sean Duffy do something about it because these individuals are still working on pieces of paper and Technology that is not technology

anymore,

right?

So, you know, there's a whole like this just honestly this whole thing in mind Just brings up the conversation again to say what is being done and to speak to your point Todd as well Yeah, the the the ones who who hold the the flag for privatization of everything

There's no guarantee that it's going to be better.

And that's gonna save you money.

That's the other thing to it.

It's gonna be better because it's private.

It's gonna save us money because it's private.

That

doesn't always

shake out that way.

No, it doesn't.

No, I I agree and and again, I think it's be interesting.

This is moves forward and we learn more about about the facts Hopefully from good reporting out there in in South Dakota.

I you know, I Spend a year.

I think I was like six years old My parents went through North Dakota up there.

My not so I don't remember that trip as it turns out, right?

But I think it's a you you guys and I We were in small towns in northern Wisconsin and last week and we heard how you know

things done they just have to kind of come together as a community and rely on one another because

whether you want you not you but the the general you whether folks want to you know say well there's not enough government funding or whatever it's these individuals just say hey we're going to get this done so i want to know from the folks up my not had they asked for federal funding for air traffic controllers and it was denied by their republican representatives there and in congress did they just say hey this is the best we can do air service is important to my not we're going to go with private contractors because that's all we can afford so i i think the backstory of this and

And then is how is that replicated around the country?

That'll be interesting to watch.

Well, and you may yes, that's those are very good points, Todd.

And I also think it's important.

I mean, Kristi Noem did say when they were trying to divert attention from some another plane incident that had happened that they're in the process of upgrading these systems, which as you said, have been kind of neglected for a very, very long time.

Our government has done all kinds of kicking the cans down the road in all kinds of different areas.

And this would be one of them.

Yeah, absolutely, and I think that's why my opinion

When the Biden administration and Pete Buttigieg's transportation secretary worked into bipartisan fashion to get that transportation funding bill that infrastructure bill It truly was historic because it was taking on particularly bridges roads, but also airports

and

aging infrastructure I mean Jane you've been to Europe more than any of the three of us on this panel you can speak to when you go to Europe Transportation is as I understand it is quite a ways ahead of what we have here in the US because they invested it

Oh, absolutely.

Absolutely.

Oh, absolutely.

And they don't see it as a controversial topic.

No.

Like there's nothing, there's nothing.

This is not a 24 hour news cycle story that would be overseas to be like, they're going to extend the, they're going to extend the travel.

Like they're going to make it easier to travel.

That sounds like a good thing.

It's good for tourism, good for business, but we here have to make it about.

Well, don't you want to buy a car?

What about cars, everybody?

Cars need to be cars.

Jenny on the live stream says, privatization solves nothing, often making the problem worse.

Need I remind everyone of the DOT emission slash plate renewal process in Wisconsin, awful.

And during the Walker administration, they closed down all of those centers and they made it that private businesses could do emissions testing.

And I will say,

the

last few times I've had to do emission testings,

I'll go on a website.

There is actually a website that gives you a very up-to-date listing of those who do it, but they would say on their website, yeah, we do emissions testing.

You call them, yeah, we don't do that.

Or our machine is broken.

It's very, yeah.

Privatization is not the guaranteed answer.

I'm really curious because I've never lived in Milwaukee here in Southeast Wisconsin.

Is that like a certain county region where you have to do emission testing?

Because like we don't have that here.

Really?

It must be Milwaukee

County then.

That's interesting.

I thought it was just every, every couple of years you have to do it.

Calvin?

Nope.

I've

never done an emissions

test.

I think it's, I think it's by county because I know when I was in high school, um, I know in Waukesha County you have to do it.

And then in Jefferson County, I don't think you do because we

licensed old car we didn't think would pass at my grandparents house in Jefferson County.

You killed

me taking it to the man.

There you go, I love it.

Yeah, I did not know that.

I thought that was a country-wide thing.

I thought we all just got admissions testing, but yeah, that was one of the, at first I'm like, yeah, this seems like a good move.

And then every time I would call they would say, yeah, we don't do that, or it's broken, or it's not today, or

it's not convenient.

And I was just gonna say, now it's hard to

find places that do that.

Because again, it used to be a Department of Transportation job.

That's what they did, and yes, and then they contracted it out.

And yeah, that's not necessarily the answer for everything.

There's a website, if you're looking for it, if you need to get emissions testing in Wisconsin where they require it, I'm learning something new every day.

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listening of those places that do emissions testing.

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What you got coming up today on the show, Todd Alba, you do have a show at two o'clock, by the way, just so you know.

Do I?

Do I?

Okay, well,

I'm glad to know that.

I'm glad to know that.

Like Colbert always look over my shoulder.

I guess I'm still having a

show

for

now.

No, today we're gonna, actually it's a really important topic.

I didn't know this until I found out from our friends over at WisconsinWatch.org, a great media site and publication here based in Wisconsin, Wisconsin Watch.

They did a story on senior...

death by suicide increases over the last couple of years.

I didn't know that this was a thing to use the vernacular of the matineeure show, the matineeure on air.

But it is a thing.

And it's a really important thing.

It's gone under talked about and under reported.

So the folks over at Wisconsin Watchers have a great article on this.

We're going to have one of their great reporters on and to talk about that.

And then we'll we'll do some goofiness in our two with a little What's Worst?

I believe it's a a breakfast edition today.

Oh, excellent

pancakes or waffles.

What's worse?

He's already Greg's already stuck.

He's thinking about that for a while.

You

lost me.

You

lost me

at sweet breakfast.

Goodbye.

Oh,

all right.

I wanted to talk a little bit.

We don't have a whole lot of time left about now.

It seems like Jelaine Maxwell.

Well, the Trump Department of Justice just can't wait to talk to her, Todd.

Yeah, it's it's really fascinating.

Here's here's my whole kind of bottom line.

This little Epstein thing.

Guilty people don't fight evidence being released.

Or innocent innocent people don't fight evidence being released and and so if Trump really had nothing to hide He'd be all over this in my opinion and say let it go Release

them

blow in the wind.

Yeah, so so I find that fascinating We've already heard him on tape during the 16th election saying that he'd grab women inappropriately bothered genitals And he didn't care about it and they and quote-unquote they let you do it when you're a star so we know we know he has nobody to guard for

for women and inappropriate behavior.

So there's a lot of evidence that we've already seen and known in the public.

And I think this is as tragic and as serious and as terrible as the alleged sexual assaults are this whole thing of young girls.

I think the politically Trump really has himself in a problem place here because his base believed this was the basis, the impetus for overlooking all the other bad stuff that Trump had done allegedly done.

It was like, yes, he's imperfect.

Yes.

But he's going to get to the bottom of this.

He's going to release the names of the pedophiles.

He's going to.

And this is the whole QAnon, this is what QAnon was largely based

on.

And now there's a chink in the armor.

And Trump doesn't know where to turn, and that's in my opinion, why you're hearing all this goofiness about he's going to arrest Obama.

He's going after Obama, or he's going after Biden again.

I mean, the list goes, oh, and by the way,

I have to give him credit on this one.

There is a new Coca Cola product of sugarcane coming out, which I actually am happy about that.

But yet another another shiny object for distraction.

There's.

Yeah, exactly.

And I think that's why all this is going on because he's trying to to divert his base away from from what they wanted.

And they said this is why we're willing to look past all of Trump's stupidity and support this

guy.

I just feel and we spoke about this.

before we got on air that if this leads to a pardon or some sort of dismissal of charges, I do not know.

And I say this, I don't know what the reaction will be simply because we of course have people on the right who are saying this is unacceptable up to Cash Patel and Dan Bongino.

And you have you have celebs, social media influencers saying they're upset.

But you also have a group of people like Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro and others who are saying

That's not a big of a deal.

Let's move on.

Nothing to see.

We need to move on.

Well, and I found this this morning.

The program is called Washington Journal, and I believe it airs only in DC.

But host John McArdle opened up the phone lines to ask Republicans if they want to see more Epstein files released.

Does the Epstein file story matter to you?

Women calls in.

from Virginia and says, no, it does not matter to me.

What matters to me are the lies the Democrats are putting out.

I honestly believe if anybody's on the Epstein list, it's probably a lot of them and Republicans.

Here's what.

Start out to me because you know, it's human nature even when children are used I was abused when I was three for the first time So I know what it is to have to deal with that all your life.

I'm now 74 That's just human nature to sexually abuse children That I don't I don't think she is alone in that kind of reasoning.

That's terrifying

Yeah, I I don't know that one one went through or

didn't

go through but There's a lot going on there.

I just think that here's the here's the other tragic thing, right?

In my opinion, you guys agree disagree I think all those files all the actual evidence is gone destroyed digitally paperwise I think that Trump and Pam Bondi and made sure

and bill bar that

is gone

and bill bar

Yeah, I think that's all so so we're probably never gonna get to the actual truth and these things are probably never gonna be released I think that's the reality

Yeah.

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Happy to be joined by our friend.

Corrine Hendrickson has been our guest many, many times over the past few months, particularly as we talk about childcare issues in Wisconsin.

You were a childcare provider for a long time, Karine.

And good morning, first of all.

And now you have to make a change.

Yeah, good.

Are you able to hear me or did I just get weird?

No, you're good.

You're good.

We're good.

Okay.

So, all right.

So yeah, my oldest son is actually going to college.

So I'm on the Memorial Union Terrace while he signs up for his classes.

And yeah, I

looking at I will be closing my business August 29th because there just wasn't enough funding in the state budget for me to continue staying open without outpricing my my parents and at the end of the day after 18 years I finally am realizing I need to put my family and myself first too and I have to be able to you know know that I will be okay and if I would have tried to struggle like I did last year last year

The open spots right now was not getting them filled and it was end of September before they were filled.

And I struggled with like wondering what do I do?

How do I stay open and where do these kids go?

So this summer, as I was watching the budget proceed and realized we're probably not going to get what I need in order to stay open and affordable.

I started talking with my colleague, Brooke Legler, who has a group center to see if she would have a couple spots for the children I have left to take in September because that's how childcare works.

We

rotate our kids in September because that's when they go to school.

And so, yes, she was that she would be able to get them in.

So I'm at peace with how I'm closing, but I'm very upset and, you know,

I'm angry, I'm honest, I'm angry that I'm closing in this way because I was not ready to close my business.

Well, and you've been doing this for 18 years and we've talked about this many times before, Karine.

You weren't doing this because you were making just scads and scads of money and you have a second home in Vienna or wherever.

You were doing this because you like children and you believe in...

preparing kids to go to school and that is not just babysitting what you do and what so many of our child care providers do is really set them up to learn and teach them how to learn.

So I think still, I think there's a lot of misconceptions about what our child care providers do.

Oh, yes, absolutely.

All the hours and all the trainings, all the courses, all of, you know, I am passionate about inclusion of children with disabilities and making sure that they have places to go.

I've had over 15 children who have had special needs as small as speech and as large as autism.

And, you know, really taking the time to learn about those kids and how to meet their needs and also really work with their parents to first take away the stigma that it's not anything they did wrong as a parent, that their child needs extra support, but then give them help and support.

to access that.

And a lot of what I do too is teach parents how to be better parents and how to navigate parenthood and just, you know, prepare these kids to be good humans.

And not only do I have kids up to the age of five, but in the summertime and after school, I get my alumni, I call them, they come back.

And so, you know, I have had kids now this summer on 11 year old, she's been with me since she was born.

And, you know, it's wonderful that I get to get her back in the summertime and, you know, continue that care and education that they need when there's no school fail.

Right.

And I think that's the biggest piece we're missing is that school is one thing, preschool, keep pushing down, what's fine, whatever.

But what do those parents do outside of those hours?

They rely on child care and high quality environments for their kids to learn.

And schools rely on us to exist so that those kids are in good places during the summer and before and after school.

It's a vicious cycle that we are perpetuating for absolutely no reason.

Kareen, for people who don't know, and we're watching the budget talks and the signings that happen.

Some of them might be saying, well, there was money put into the childcare funding and you guys got money.

Why are you closing?

What's the problem?

Can you explain to them the truth behind the funding that you were going to be getting through the budget that was signed a couple of weeks ago by Governor Evers?

Yep, absolutely.

So yes, $360 million was allocated to childcare.

A billion was closer to the number that we were asking for total.

And so we got about a third.

480 million separately was for direct state investment to get us back to the monthly payments we were receiving in 2021 and 2022.

And how much has inflation gone up since then?

Let's be honest, like that's not even what we needed.

And so of the 480 million direct that goes to 4,700 regulated programs, about 200,000 children and 30,000 teachers and employees, we got $110 million for 11 months.

When you break that down with those massive numbers, you understand it's tiny.

and it's not nearly what we need in order to keep teachers in place.

And one of the things that I did notice that was in the budget was Senator Markline earmarked, well, 2 million was earmarked for Senator Markline's district.

I don't know if he did it for Southwest Hospital for a grant, which they already had matching funds in order to build a child care center at the new hospital.

Well, this, I've talked to some of the providers in that area.

They have empty classrooms and they're terrified those their teachers are going to go now work at this hospital because the company that is going to run it is out of Minnesota has over 100 programs.

They can offer a little bit more money.

So they're going to take those teachers from those small locally owned businesses and they're going to hire them because they're qualified and can pay more.

And then those programs are probably going to close because they can't then hire new teachers.

And so yes, the idea is

to open new programs becau you'll get more spots.

But it doesn't matter.

We have s sitting right now in pro know of a single group s have empty spots because teachers.

And so

by addi to the problem, it doesn't

because of the closures.

Yeah, just to clarify for folks who are listening, you're not talking about open spots for kids.

We're talking about needed child care teachers.

That's what we need.

Yes, open spots for children because there's no teachers to fill to be there for the kids.

So these programs have, like Brooke in my community has, she could have 60 more children in her program, but she doesn't have the teachers for those kids.

And there's kids on that wait list.

And so the problem is the teachers and being able to afford to pay the teachers, but parents can't pay enough for us to pay ourselves or teachers.

Well, and it goes back to so another Republican fix for this was, well, let's just lower the age of teachers and let's lower the qualifications for teachers.

Let's just bring in some 15 year olds and that's going to replace someone who has been educated in child development and all of those things.

There's the fix.

That's not a fix.

No, not at all.

And especially when I have kids in my program that are exhibiting some behaviors like biting, I have a hard time talking to those parents about why the child is getting bit and why the child is biting and how to support that and how to move through it because it's a developmental stage.

I don't know how a 16-year-old is going to have that conversation with a parent.

That's

not going

to happen.

that 16 year old is going to be blamed.

Those parents are going to be mad.

And I really would make want to make sure that there's a requirement if we have people under if we have children watching children in our programs that there needs to be parents signing off understanding that that's who is in that classroom at that time.

And another thing is a lot of insurance companies aren't going to allow it.

So these solutions are things that we're not even going to be able to access or they tell us it's a choice.

Well, I'm sorry.

It might be a choice, but it, you know, I might starve to death and you might offer me moldy food and I'm choosing to starve.

But at the same time, like it's not,

it's not a choice.

It

doesn't have to

be.

If you're, if you're just joining us, we were talking to Kareen Hendrickson, who is a family child care provider, uh, had to made the, had to make the very difficult decision to close her business, announced it last week on, on Pat Kretlo show about it.

And Kareen, one of the things that, you know, I guess,

Because I don't work in Madison and I don't work in this industry, I guess the question I have for you is the responses you may have gotten from those who didn't want to give you the money.

They gave you these official fixes, whether it, and when I say fixes, I mean in heavy quotations, but it just, I guess to me, the question I have for you is why wouldn't they just say, yes, here is more money to educate our children.

It seems

It's short-sighted is a nice way of putting it but it seems like deliberate and just mean spirited to say well We're not gonna give you the money and you have to deal with it and if you can't then well, that's that's the free market

Yeah, I wish I knew because they refused to tell us why

they refuse to say why they do not want to invest.

And so I can infer it's because they want women to stay home.

I can infer that it's because they don't think our children are worth a penny.

I can infer a lot of different things.

I

can, you know, think that they think 16 year old and more children is the answer because they're looking at children as a mathematical equation

and not as

human beings and that we're taking away their

their ability to thrive.

We are going to put them on the path to go to prison, which, hey, by the way, you get a million dollars per child to incarcerate them per year.

So for the low, low price of 480 incarcerated children, we could support our entire child care system.

And I want to touch on that moment, that that just that point of young people teaching.

And I, it was either you or Tricia Peterson who spoke about it.

And I'm going to phrase this.

cautiously.

There's nothing wrong with younger people teaching children because you have you have programs which will basically be like

apprentice programs or they can learn they're paired with an adult teacher someone who has experience and that that type of program as someone who was an apprentice seems like a great thing to fund to take those 16 year olds that you say yeah you can teach but let's make it so over the next five years you are going to learn all of those all those skills and then when you're 20 something you're certified you're ready you can open your own business or whatever but I mean

There is the kernel of truth that 16 year olds working this job isn't a bad thing if they have the supervision, the oversight and the desire to do it.

It can also just be like, hey, do you want to babysit this summer?

And they're actually teaching kids.

Yeah, and I agree with you wholeheartedly.

Minnesota actually does is doing a mentorship program where the children, the students, adults also are able to access the classes for free and then the mentor gets paid by the state to do the mentoring.

And then the mentee gets paid by the state to learn.

And so it's not overhead cost on us, if the childcare owners to do that.

And yes, like I would love to apprentice, you know, a 16, 17 year old in my program where I can teach them and I can watch them and observe them and give them positive feedback and let them open their own family childcare when they're, you know, mid 20s.

That's be fabulous.

But the way we're doing it right now is we're throwing these children in to the wolves and they're going to run away screening and not even want children

by

the time they're done with this experience.

You know, Karine.

This could all be fixed if women like you would just do it for nothing.

You know, I just, gee, that'd just be such an easy fix if women just dropped out of the workforce and did labor for free.

I think that's the answer.

I'm going to say nothing right now.

Ron Johnson has told me that to my face.

Oh, God.

That you should do it for free.

seriously

in his office.

Yes, in his office a few years ago when I was in DC, he literally said it wouldn't an elegant solution being for moms like you to watch other people's children while they work.

And I was like for free.

And he

did not respond to that.

And so that answer was a yes.

Well, I got to digest that for just a minute.

I'm never going to forget that.

And we're going to continue our conversation with Kareen Hendrickson when I recover.

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Kareen Hendrickson is our guest 18 year childcare provider in Wisconsin and now is going to be closing sadly at the end of August because the budget agreement that was reached

here in Wisconsin is not doing enough for our childcare providers.

And right before we had to take a pause, you mentioned a conversation with Ron Johnson-Careen that I don't know that Greg and I have ever heard this before.

I've never heard this.

I think let's go back to that conversation you had with Wisconsin senior senator Ron Johnson about the need for childcare in Wisconsin.

How did that go?

So yeah, I was there with Main Street Alliance.

There were several of us talking about small businesses and the need for investment and things that would support small businesses, including childcare.

And he called me health care about three times also, and I kept correcting him and saying, I run a childcare.

And then he, you know, I said, why don't you think we should fund?

And he goes, I think an elegant solution, it would be for moms like you to stay home.

And so the other moms can go to work.

at their whatever, maybe more important jobs, I don't know.

So that they can go to work and then you can keep their kids.

And I said, well, and I shouldn't get paid for that.

And he just kind of looked at me and tried to change the subject.

And Sean actually then said, you don't think that people like her should be able to run their small business and get paid.

And he just kind of stared at us.

And I said, that tells me all I need to know.

And then the conversation moved on.

He was very

It was a group of men and women.

And with the women, he was very much in our faces.

And then when the men talked, he was very laid back.

No.

So the group of us tried really hard.

Like the guys in there were very supportive.

And so they would try in their way to kind of like say what they could to bring the conversation back around and talk about how as restaurant owners, they needed childcare for their employees and things like that.

And it was just, it was a one-on-one and what is wrong with our elected officials, honestly.

I'm okay.

Where do I start?

First of all, an elegant solution.

That was him trying to be fun or

whatever.

And once again, missing the mark as he always does, as he needs a sense of humor and human emotions to do that.

But also, do you think there is a business person on earth who would walk into his office who would say, I'm struggling, I need help?

I manufacture a widget that, you know, steals something for cars.

Do you think he would dare have the notion to say, well, if you just did it for free, I mean, why don't you just do it for free?

Then you should be fine.

I mean, what's wrong with just doing your job for free?

Then you'd have to worry about it.

Why didn't he tell the restaurant owners to get servers who will just do it for nothing?

Then that's our answer for everything is we need more people doing jobs who don't get paid.

That's the

fix.

That's the fix

work.

That's kind of how things work.

We exploit people for the lowest amount possible

I mean, it is what it is.

They just don't say it's a blatantly obvious.

And I do think it's because women in general, our entire system of childcare is built on the backs of women with young children who quit their jobs, who cannot find care, who open their own family child cares or go work in a group center so that their kids can be around

other kids

and they can bring in a tiny amount of salary.

That is what our entire system has been built on historically.

And it has worked in the past because enough of us are willing to do it.

Well, we're no longer willing to do it and also

any job pays way more than what we get paid.

And so there's not people that are, I guess, desperate enough to have some income and do this high, high, intense.

job that is mentally, physically exhausting and draining, but yet at the same time, so wonderful and fulfilling at the same time.

And that's kind of what keeps us going.

And that's why we're in this weird space.

Yeah.

And that's why the system keeps perpetuating upon itself.

And we need to get elected reps at the state and federal level who absolutely understand that childcare is education for our children.

It is workforce development.

It is crime criminal gets rid of crime, it gets rid of crime, it reduces health care costs.

It is the lynching

of our entire society.

And if we care about kids, we need to take care of them from the beginning and their families and the communities that support them.

I feel like the bar is set really low at this point where I would just like to have a representative who understands the difference between a health care provider and a child care provider.

Can we just let's just

start there.

Well, if you would like to call Ron Johnson and point out the distinction between

health care and child care, there's an easy way for you to get ahold of him.

Very easy.

Go to myvote.wi.gov and let Senator Ron Johnson know how you feel about his idea that the elegant solution to our child care problem is just for women to drop out of the workforce and watch everybody else's kids for free.

I think I might call my vote.wi.gov.

Let Rojo know what you think about him in the nicest way possible.

Hashtag let Rojo know.

Let Rojo

know.

Corrine Hendrickson, thank you so very much for making time out with us.

We will continue our conversations with you and love to see politics.

I don't know.

Maybe think about it.

We'll

see.

We'll

see.

Gary and Hadrickson, thank you so very much.

Take care.

We'll talk to you soon.

You're welcome.

I

will have lots of time.

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Yes, it's I can't I have to I can't watch it because I'll see their faces and Their mouth won't match the words and it's like when you watch shows on television and the audio isn't quite in sync with the video and it ruins your life

well, it's hard to stay up with the plot when you're so Distracted by that half a second right

half a second delay, a half a second that's off with the lips and the

sound

and all that stuff.

And that's all you can, that's all I can think about then when I'm watching that movie is, oh, you were so close on dubbing that, but that didn't work.

Yeah.

I think that I'll watch movies dubbed especially like, you know, movies from Hong Kong or from China or Japan.

I think that it's my brain has negotiated.

the differences but when it's it's just I can't do dubbing it just throws me way off I have to do subtitles that's how I would and to be perfectly honest subtitles are how I watch shows in English