Shamed Out Of Her Home State (Hour 1)

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Megan Kling is going to be joining us after the 9 30 news.

Megan had a complication in her pregnancy and subsequently had to travel travel out of state.

When that 1849

measure

was still here in place in Wisconsin, that's no longer the case, but

She had to travel out of state in order to get the health care that she needed.

And her experience has been recorded in the Journal Sentinel, the Wisconsin Examiner, the New York Times.

So we're going to be talking to Megan Kling about her experience and why she has come forward to talk about this.

It's very important.

Yes.

And very brave.

Yes.

Very brave of her.

So we're going to talk to Megan Kling after the 9 30 news in hour number two.

Don't worry about us deporting all the people who are picking fruit and vegetables in our fields.

And don't worry about all the people who are doing work that it seems like a whole lot of Americans don't want to do.

Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins has got the answer, Greg.

Oh, I'm sure it's a nuanced, well thought out response and solution.

There are 34

million people on Medicaid.

Are they able-bodied?

Apparently so, and Brooks got the plan for them, so we'll kick that around in hour number two.

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I did want to start off with this mention from the horrible news out of Texas continues.

The death toll continues to rise.

Texas flooding now has killed more than 110 people, and there are over 160 who are still missing.

And I also saw footage this morning from New Mexico, which also just had a big flash flood that came through and wiped a whole bunch of houses away.

If you would like to do something, and

I know

there are a lot of people who want to do something to help, they are please asking people to stay away from that area.

Yes.

It makes it very difficult when you have groups that are not aligned with other groups to find out who's covering what and things like that.

And the last thing they want to have to do is go rescue someone who's trying to do a good thing.

Yeah.

So they're asking, please don't come to the area unless you are signed up with a specific rescue group.

The other thing I saw yesterday People are flying drones over the area.

They're personal drones and a drone yesterday hit a rescue helicopter.

Yes, I mean Can we not do this and let these folks do their jobs?

That's all I'm saying.

I know I know

it's but I don't know why we were shocked why you shocked by this

Well, I would like to think that they're trying you know some of these people have their their hearts in the right place and they think that they can help

and maybe find someone that has been missed so far.

But I also think that there are others whose motivations are not necessarily quite so pure.

Well, yeah, and that's

why the latter portion of that sentence is why I'm not shocked.

Yeah, I guess.

But anyway, if you would like to do something, I would suggest the Red Cross.

I would also suggest World Central Kitchen, if you're not familiar with World Central Kitchen.

They're a charity that goes all over the world to disaster areas and feeds people.

Yeah.

Headed up by chef and Jose

Andres.

Jose Andres.

Jose Andres.

Yes.

So World Central Kitchen is also another good place to make a donation or you can donate blood.

It doesn't seem like I'm donating blood in Wisconsin.

What difference do that make?

It makes a difference.

It makes a huge

difference just because, I mean, it everywhere needs it.

and everywhere needs it.

And it's just always, it's a good thing just to do.

And I'm, if you've listened to the show before, you've heard me say this, but I'm going to repeat it because it bears repeating all the time.

If every single available person, if every person who was able to give blood gave once a year, there would never be a shortage.

Period.

Done.

So please consider those three things.

We will include links.

in our show notes if you would like to follow up and make a donation and try and help after that horrific flooding in Texas.

Bringing things back a little bit closer to home.

Derek Van Ordens in the news.

Why?

What did he do this time?

He is in today's Milwaukee Journal Sentinel from Lawrence Andrea.

Derek Van Ordens claims credit for Wisconsin's extra Medicaid dollars after voting to cut the program.

Yeah, I I don't know that we're even surprised by this anymore.

I saw

this story come up over the weekend and It was a it was one of those things where you shrugged your shoulders instead of course of course he didn't because what we've seen in the past and I will use another Wisconsin congressman to as an example Congressman Tom Tiffany.

Yes

infrastructure repair bill came out under the Biden administration by the administration which has brought jobs and projects

Money and economic relief.

You don't have to believe me.

I believe the economists and they're smarter than the words that you have.

If you don't, if you think I'm wrong, so whatever.

Tom Tiffany, I voted against that.

He voted no for it.

Of course he did.

It's bad spending.

Tom Tiffany, no.

Who was at the Blotnik bridge standing next to Tammy Baldwin who voted yes.

Tom Tiffany's Tom Tiffany

was

yeah, and we see examples of light of this all the time It's been I mean it's been happening for a long time But it goes back to you can error examples from the Obama administration when they did when they did the they did the rescue bill People Paul Ryan another congressman from Wisconsin who said no this is overspending don't like it requested 30 million dollars for his district

even though he voted no, said no to it, but can I have some money,

please?

Would you mind, please?

So we are right back where we always are with someone, in this case, Derek Van Orton, who is a liar and a hypocrite.

And I say for me, this is a traitor, period.

He has the gall to stand up and say, first of all, that snap benefits won't go down a nickel.

His words, they won't go down a nickel.

Votes for the budget blueprint votes for the budget bill and then finally does the final vote after the Senate went through This will have detrimental effect on snap Medicaid Medicare.

He grew up a poor kid He said so yes group a poor kid on food stamps government cheese and he voted against the interest of the people who need this who need these programs and Now he has the nerve to stand up and call Tony even say you need to protect these rural hospitals.

Yeah

I don't know if you have a bigger example of what I'm not going to say in the air.

Good.

This is just shameful and disgusting.

And who does he think he is?

I mean, honestly,

well, obviously he thinks this works for him or he wouldn't do things like this.

And that's why I think it's important to kind of point out these little things so that people are aware.

And again,

We're a small company, we're a new company.

We ask you if you feel like you learn something from listening to our network that you share what you know.

Because again, there's a lot of options out there for people to get their information from and not everyone is gonna hear this.

And if you have somebody in your life who's saying how great he is or how great the Trump administration is or whatever their defense of the current White House is,

Ask the simple question, if Derek Van Norton was so concerned about SNAP benefits staying intact for those who need it, why did he, and if he's so concerned about rural hospitals staying open and available to the people, which they should, why did he vote for a bill that fundamentally directly affected these things for the, for the worse, for the people?

Why did he do that?

and you let them answer and I'm sure they'll have an answer and I'm sure they'll blame it on Hunter Biden's laptop but really when it comes down to it you ask that question and I want the answer because there is no there is no two plus two equals four to this this is just absolute insanity.

Derek Van Orden again from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel voted for the federal measure that caused tens of thousands of Wisconsinites to lose Medicaid coverage and now he wants to take credit

forgetting Medicaid funding through the state budget.

Derek Van Orden says he helped secure a billion dollars in Medicaid funding for Wisconsin and suggested Governor Evers signed the budget, quote, because I asked him personally, unquote.

Evers office, by the way, says Van Orden had nothing to do with Wisconsin's efforts to secure Medicaid funding ahead of the enactment of the bill.

And Orton supported the measure slashing federal Medicaid funds.

Yeah, that's kind of where we are 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 if you would like to join us Jean from outclares on the line.

Good morning Jean.

Thanks for joining us

Outstanding job guys.

I strongly suggest anybody who's listening right now Please share this with your friends this show you guys doing outstanding job

People listen to it out on the farm, they can listen to it when they're jogging, if they don't listen to the radio, but they need to listen to this civic media channel.

Now I have to tell you guys, you are outstanding because guess what?

The whole Galdarn time that this was going on, one of our, I don't know if I can say the channel, but that half little, it's an eight plus channel, it's from across area.

And they always were running stuff on the bottom of what Van Orden said.

And this was the thing with Evers.

My local TV stations don't get out and check him

out.

And they put him on the channel saying what he did or did not do.

and he acted, oh, and there was even a big paid ad with him standing next to Donald Trump with a flag going behind him during this time when they were making these decisions and him lying about this bill.

So thank you guys because you are number one important in getting the word out to the people on our side of the state because we need you badly and people need this information and share with your friends because the guy's lying through his teeth.

And God darn it, we gotta stop them.

Thanks, guys.

Keep it up.

Bye-bye.

Thanks so

much, Gene.

Really appreciate it.

And be like Gene.

Gene calls her lawmakers.

And how, Gene, how would they go ahead and do something

like that?

If I were

so inclined to leave a polite questioning voice message, all I have to do is go to myvote.wi.gov and put in my address.

And every person who represents you in the government and their contact information will come up right there.

I'm so easy.

I'm just at the point, Jane.

This is this is a topic for me.

Like when it comes to this man, I'm at my wit's end with him.

I am I am ashamed of him.

I am disappointed in him.

And it makes me angry that people in Wisconsin felt like he was the right choice for their district.

Well, he's not standing up for them.

We got an election coming up next

year.

When we return.

That's in the budget bill too?

Did anybody read this thing?

Anybody?

We'll kick that around when we return.

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Go back earlier, we were talking about donating blood and the good of donating blood in state, even though Texas is in Texas.

Right.

Cassandra on the live stream who was

Also, a nurse said that if you donate blood in Wisconsin, it takes the pressure off other blood banks.

So the more you provide

for this state,

the less that other states have to share with each other.

So

thank you very much for it.

I was trying to think of an answer there, and I didn't want to say it out loud, because I'm like, I don't know if that's true.

But thank you for confirming that, Cassandra.

Coming up after the 9.30 news, Megan Kling is going to be joining us.

She had complications in her latest pregnancy and had to leave the state.

in order to get the health care that she needed.

She's been very, very gracious in talking about it.

She's appeared in articles in the Journal Sentinel and the Wisconsin Examiner and I believe the New York Times.

She is going to be joining us after the 9.30 news.

to talk about her experience and what she has heard from people since she has been brave enough, I think she's very brave to come forward and talk about something like this.

So that is on the way right now though.

The big budget bill is just full of all kinds of surprises, Greg.

Nobody knows what's in it.

It's almost like some of them don't even read it.

Or even care what's in it.

This is from Forbes magazine that really wildly left.

publication.

Orbs magazine says how Trump's bill makes it easier for the rich to buy their personal jets.

Hold on.

Hold on.

I need to write this down.

Okay.

Write this.

Okay.

Trump's bill makes it easier for the wealthy to buy a personal jet.

Awesome.

Isn't that nice?

A little discussed portion of the Trump beautiful

blob of a bell, hence a lucrative break to ultra wealthy Americans in the form of a tax policy to buy a private jet.

Bonus depreciation for your business expenses was originally part of the tax cut act in 2017.

It got phased down.

It was permanently set to expire by 2027.

However,

They've decided that you can actually if you buy a ten million dollar plane You can now use that ten million dollar deduction in the same year It used to be spread out across multiple years But now you can buy your ten million dollar plane and deduct it the same year so it's a wash

Matthew Baer, Managing Director of Aviation at an Oklahoma-based bank, says, for someone interested in buying a jet, whether new or used, this is a very big deal.

This is an example of friendly oligarch rules, says Chuck Collins, the director of the program on inequality and the common good.

or a think tank, he describes this as a massive tax break for billionaires and centi millionaires from the private jet lobby.

$378 billion.

That is how much the permanent establishment of this 100% bonus depreciation will cost taxpayers over 10 years.

Wait, say that number one more time.

$378 billion is how much?

Making this permanent will cost taxpayers over the course of 10 years

What

a

great thing what a big beautiful bill that was

I can't tell you the number of friends I have Well, they're just gonna be having up, you know a celebratory drink Maybe now they can get to

I was gonna say what the money they're gonna be saving they're gonna be able to buy two drinks who knows that that's just

great and the other thing

That caught Chuck Rastley by surprise, which I don't know is that big of a surprise.

He's like 900 years old retire Bill introduced to combat anti-gambling measure also in the big budget bill this

They want to restore a gambler's ability to deduct 100% of their losses on their annual tax filings.

In the budget bill, it was reduced to 90%.

They want it back at 100%.

And Chuck Grassley was asked about it, and he said, is that in there?

I don't know what that was in there.

If anyone can hear us in Iowa.

You can do better.

No, I say you deserve better.

I'm sorry.

I'm

not you

deserve better Let me put it that way you deserve better and we don't have a lot of time to get into this But I we we mentioned it briefly.

We will talk about it later in a week The IRS now says it will allow houses of worship to endorse candidates for political office without losing their tax exempt status I know they've been doing yeah, I was gonna all of them many of them.

So yeah, you're all good to go.

Okay

News is coming up next and then Megan Kling will be joining us.

Please stay close.

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She has shared her story in the Wisconsin Examiner in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel in the New York Times, and we are so delighted and grateful to be joined by her.

Now, Megan Kling is here.

Good morning, Megan.

Thanks for being here.

How are you?

Megan, can you hear me?

Oh, looks like we might be having a little bit of...

Oh, she just froze.

Okay.

Megan had mentioned when we were setting this up that she might have a... Megan, are you there?

Hold on.

I'm here.

Can you hear me?

We

can hear you.

Yes.

Can you hear us?

I can hear you now.

There we

go.

If that happens again, I'm going to call in.

Okay.

Perfect.

That's perfect.

Absolutely.

Well, we'll see how it goes.

Technology is one of those things.

It's just, it's a thing.

It's a thing.

So anyway, thank you for being here.

Thank you for joining us and for sharing your story because I think it is important.

And especially when I've read through all of these stories, you are not the only woman who has experienced this.

You are not the only woman who is experiencing this.

So if you wouldn't mind to take us through your story and what happened with your pregnancy.

Yeah, so first off, I'd like to say, you know, I've been born and raised in Wisconsin, same as my husband.

We have two beautiful little daughters, and we've always imagined having three children.

And when we got pregnant in the summer of 2023,

we didn't expect it to be any different from our prior two pregnancies, which were very normal and healthy, right?

So went through the routine of maternal prenatal checkups and it wasn't until the 20-week ultrasound that we were alarmed that something was wrong.

So I live in rural western Wisconsin.

I went to my local rural hospital

And I happened to be over 21 weeks pregnant at the time.

And after that ultrasound, my doctor, who I trust very much, came into the doctor's office and shared with me that something was very wrong, that there was little to no amniotic fluid.

And with their ultrasound equipment, they could not make a confirmed diagnosis, but it was bad.

I was somewhat in shock.

I wasn't prepared to ask a lot more questions.

And at that time, just was clinging on to hope that we wouldn't get the most devastating news that I felt like my doctor was somewhat preparing me to get.

We had to be referred to a larger hospital, which again takes time to get that appointment with maternal fetal medicine.

She referred me to lacrosse as well as Rochester, Minnesota.

And in my mind, if there's any surgery or any treatment that my baby is gonna need, Rochester is the best place to be.

So that's where that was in my mind.

We were able to get into lacrosse about four days later.

By that time, I was 22 weeks pregnant and my husband and I in tears received the most devastating news.

that a pregnant person could receive and that was that our baby was non-viable.

He had a diagnosis called bilateral renal agenesis.

He had developed with no kidneys and no bladder and he also had brain and heart abnormalities seen.

With this condition, because the amniotic fluid is made up primarily of the baby's urine by the second trimaster,

That was the reason there was no amniotic fluid because his urinary tract was not operating.

And when that occurs in pregnancy, that amniotic fluid is there to help the babies develop their lungs so his lungs would never develop.

And it's also there for protection to help him move around in the womb.

Without that amniotic fluid, these babies are born with bone deformities because the pressure the mother's body puts on her womb forces the baby's bones to bend as they grow inside of you.

And so you can imagine I am picturing what quality of life my baby is going to have even as he's growing inside of me.

When we received that diagnosis, I asked my doctor what our options were.

And she of course proceeded to tell me, you know, I'm still healthy.

I could continue the pregnancy if I choose.

And I believe I cut her off and said, I cannot carry a baby another four months knowing he is going to die.

It was not in my best physical wellness health.

It was not in my best interest of my mental health.

Seriously.

I have a career.

I've got two little girls.

I have to go home and be a mom too.

And I didn't believe carrying that baby was in my own baby's best interest because it would ultimately prolong suffering for all of us.

But because that was in November of 2023,

We were in a state of the 1849 complete ban on abortion.

We're

still in effect

here in

Wisconsin.

Yep.

And so I had no options.

No options in my situation to make any choice at all.

I just want to stop you for one second because again, because of the law in Wisconsin at that point in your pregnancy here in Wisconsin, you had no choices except to carry it to term, correct?

Correct.

That was

it.

That was it.

And if anyone is just joining us, by the way, I just want to let people know who we're talking to.

Megan Kling is our guest.

We will have links in our show notes.

She has appeared in several articles in the Journal Sentinel, the Wisconsin Examiner, the New York Times, talking about her experience with her third pregnancy.

So continue,

Megan.

So we had kept our appointment that we had made at Rochester, Minnesota.

which was ultimately 10 days out from our original appointment at my local rural hospital.

So by the time we were able to get into Rochester, Minnesota, I was 23 weeks and one day pregnant.

And my choice was to be induced and deliver my baby naturally.

There is there's no right choice in that situation, but that's what I felt was right for me and the healthcare that I wanted to choose And so they were able to give us a second opinion they confirm the diagnosis without a doubt because my husband and I just needed to know that there was no chance and They induced me after that second opinion and I was able to deliver our first baby boy the next morning

at 23 weeks and two days gestation.

They did not think he would survive delivery, but they prepared us in case he did.

And he was ultimately born with a beating heart.

And so they cleaned him up and they handed him to us.

And we were able to hold and love our baby boy for about an hour until he passed away in our arms.

I'm so, we're so sorry for your loss.

Megan, you're in your husband and your family and I just,

I cannot imagine being in such a horrific situation with such, for one thing, to not be able to get the healthcare you need in the state in which you live is horrible.

It's just horrible.

And then, I'm so sorry for your experience.

And I am so grateful for your willingness to talk about this.

because you must have heard now from all kinds of women who have been in similar situations to yours.

Yeah, I've been able to be connected with women across the country who have experienced just devastating pregnancy complications and their journey to build their families just like we were.

And it's, you know, for all of us that are sharing and speaking out.

there's a whole lot of women that are experiencing the same tragedy that just aren't to a point where they're willing to share their trauma publicly yet.

Or they're afraid of the backlash and we'll get to that in a minute because I'm sure that's that's a component of this tragically.

And I think, Megan, one of the important things too that's it's wonderful to hear these stories because it's telling the narrative that's getting lost by some who just want to

Paint access to this healthcare as Nothing more than birth control, which is offensive and disgusting and we need to hear from People such as yourself and others saying no this is you are a mother who wanted more children You and your husband want to do grow your family.

This was a situation that happened.

It is devastating, but it does happen.

Therefore you need the treatment the access

the health care that is necessary to make sure that also your body isn't damaged by what could happen in these pregnancies.

So again, I'm there's not a question and I'm holding back tears right now because I don't.

I just want to thank you for being here because it's important.

Thank you.

You mentioned in some of the articles and again, we will put these in our show notes so you can read them yourself.

In the New York Times article, they speak to several other women

who also went through some situations similar to yours, Megan.

And several of these women had said, they think it's important now to use the word abortion because that's what it is.

This is the medical term for it.

A spontaneous miscarriage in medical terminology is an abortion.

And there has been

This effort on one side to dance around that, I have heard Republican politicians say abortion is not healthcare.

No pregnancy should need an abortion.

I have heard male politicians say that.

I can't imagine how you feel when you hear especially men say something like that.

Yeah, and to be honest, you know, my husband and I had a really hard time using the word abortion.

when we experienced our termination.

Because there's a stigma around it.

It is specifically for unwanted pregnancies, irresponsible women.

And that was not our situation whatsoever.

We were married, we were growing our family.

This was a very much loved, wanted baby.

And yet,

We who never thought we would choose abortion were put in an impossible situation with no good outcome where that choosing abortion was the best choice for us at the time.

Megan Kling is our guest.

We are talking about her experience with a pregnancy in which tragically she lost her very much wanted son and the fact

At that point, at that point in time, Wisconsin was still under the 1849 ban.

So in order to get the health care that you needed, you had to leave the state.

You had to go to Minnesota.

Obviously, the situation is different now in Wisconsin on the ground.

That has changed.

But there are still women all over this country who are in similar situations to yours.

And many of them.

We had a listener call into a different show to Todd Alba's show and say, well, it's not like anyone is making women carry these babies when they're dead.

They are.

This is tragically the horrific reality of what women across the country, depending upon where you live, are dealing with.

It is.

We're going to continue with Megan King.

Kling, sorry.

And continue this.

Conversation, it's important to talk about.

I want to hear what you have heard after your bravery in coming forward to share your experience.

Our conversation continues on the other side.

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Our guest is Megan Kling.

She is here to share her experience with complications in her third pregnancy.

She ultimately ended up leaving the state in order to get the health care that she needed.

You made an important point, Megan, during the break about

Even though the 1849 ban is no longer effect here in Wisconsin, that would have still meant that you would have had to leave the state to get the care you needed because of the 23 week ban, right?

Well, there's still some lack of clarity there.

So many people refer to Wisconsin having a 20 week ban.

I believe what the law technically says is 20 weeks post fertilization, which is technically more like 22 weeks, but nobody measures pregnancy post likely fertilization.

So hospitals or doctors are always gonna be a little bit more

Uh, hesitant.

They're going to hedge.

So they're going to hedge it right at 20 weeks.

Um, so for most women who receive that 20 week ultrasound, if there is any severe complication or diagnosis like we received, it's too late already.

You have to leave the state.

Correct.

Yes.

Megan, were you aware before you got this diagnosis that.

that this was the situation on the ground in Wisconsin.

Did you know at that point that you were going to have to go someplace else?

I think I was a little naive.

I understood what Roe v. Wade being overturned meant.

I understood that Wisconsin had no exceptions to abortion.

However, I was naive to all of the

numerous pregnancy complications that can occur that would lead to an abortion for medical reasons.

And so even though I understood the atmosphere of where Wisconsin was at, I did not think that I as a married woman trying to grow my family, I didn't think it was going to affect me.

And I was very wrong.

for being that naive.

But you're not alone.

And you're not alone.

There are a lot of women, I think.

And again, you had two perfectly fine pregnancies where nothing went wrong.

So I can see why you would, why would you even let that cross your brain if that hadn't been your experience up to that point?

I just also think it goes back to what we were saying earlier is that we equate abortion to a certain type of person, which is never the case.

It's all, it's always a different, there's always different stories, but we are becoming more educated throughout these past few years on what this does and what this impacts on.

the women who are having the children, the families that affects us.

Even as Dr. Lierly has said, this affects all of us regardless of your station in life.

And it's important for us to know.

So again, Megan, thank you for coming here and sharing your story.

We ask those listening to share this story with other people because it's just very easy to say, well, of course I support abortion access.

But what do you know about it?

Before you advocate and endorse, you must know.

So it's important to hear these stories.

We must hear more of these

stories.

We've mentioned, Megan, that you've been in the Journal Sentinel and the Wisconsin Examiner, even the New York Times.

What have you heard from folks since?

Because I think that's very brave.

It takes a lot of courage to come forth like this and be honest and open about it.

It

does.

I would say I have had overwhelming positive support from people, from community members, family, strangers, just thanking me for speaking up and helping them understand that just a typical Midwest mom can be affected by abortion bans.

And it doesn't matter how you feel on the topic.

Anyone can be affected, whether you think so or not.

Um, but it is very controversial and it's been very vulnerable to share such a tragedy publicly.

Um, you, you open yourself up and there, there always is going to be some negativity out there.

Um, and I think a majority of that comes from either an extreme religious side or those that just don't like me sharing my story because it doesn't fit the stigma.

that they believe abortion to

be, right?

You're not the person they want to demonize.

You're not the right person to demonize.

I also think telling this story for Midwesterners, especially, pokes at our convenience and comfortability.

Like, well, you don't have to share it with everybody.

Talk about it with your friends and say, you know, blah, blah, whatever the excuse is, but really it comes to you standing up and...

exposing yourself and being vulnerable and other people just have to deal with that.

And if it makes them feel uncomfortable, I'm sorry for them, but we need to hear this.

It's about

the reality of what's happening on the ground.

It is.

It's just, that's what it is about.

How is your husband?

How are your girls?

How are you right now?

Right now, I'm good.

I was lucky enough to find access to a therapist that specializes in infant loss and after

giving birth to a baby who died in our arms.

I can't tell you how hard that was to work through that grief and then the anger that compounded from being shamed away from my home state in order to do what I knew was right for me.

So but we're doing good.

I mean it was a fork in the road and we chose to be resilient and

I could not have it be just a sad story that we experienced.

And so I, I chose to share and I chose to speak up in hopes that, you know, I can cause just a little, find a little bit of good from this horrible thing we went through.

Megan Kling, thank you so very, very much for joining us this morning.

All the best to you and your husband and your girls.

Take care of yourself.

Be strong.

Thank you.

Thank you.

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A little opportunity to take a cleansing breath, get away from the news and have a couple laughs.

So today's audio survey is do you pajama?

Or do you pajama or do you not at all?

Oh, yeah, or maybe you

wear something else Hey, all I ask is that the the responses stay not TMI That

FCC compliance that is always important.

Yes So do you pajama is our audio sorbet coming up after 10 30?

Yeah, and we will wrap up this show as we always do with this shouldn't be a thing Today, it's is a rose by any other name really arose

Roses a rose as a rose is it yeah, I'm not calling it that it completely.

That's a long long title But that's coming up around 1051 ish.

So stick around for that Great news everybody.

Yeah, great news the mass deportations will continue and They're not gonna spare anybody, but it's all good because agriculture secretary Brooke Rollins Has the answer

on what's gonna happen.

Calvin, I believe we have a clip from Brooke Rollins.

Let's take a listen, please.

There's been a lot of noise in the last few days and a lot of questions about where the president stands in his vision for farm labor.

The first thing I'll say is the president has been unequivocal that there will be no amnesty.

And I think that's very, very important.

I and the rest of our cabinet certainly support that, effectuate that and make sure that happens every single day.

The second thing to your question about mass deportations, the president and I have spoken about that once or twice, and he has always been of the mindset that at the end of the day,

the promise to America to ensure that we have a 100% American workforce stands, but we must be strategic in how we are implementing the mass deportation.

So

is not to compromise our food supply.

Ultimately, the

answer on this is automation,

also

some reform within the current governing structure.

And then also when you think about there are 34 million able bodied adults in our Medicaid program.

There are plenty of workers

in

America, but we just have to make sure we're not compromised.

today especially in the context of everything we're thinking about right now so no amnesty under any circumstances

no

mass deportations continue strategic and intentional way as we move our workforce toward more automation and toward a 100% American workforce

Jane really quick question as a follow-up because I wish I was there right now

I would

ask secretary Rollins I wanted to call our brook secretary brook the following question do you feel like you could

describe the last, what is, we're now five, six months, almost six months into this administration.

Would you describe the immigration policy as intentional and with good, as she described it, with intention and proper planning and whatnot?

Would you call it that?

Would you say that?

It's been a mess.

It's been a mess.

It's been an absolute disorganized nightmare.

So what leads you to believe that they will handle

what she's talking about right now with any sort of measure of longterm planning.

None.

None.

Yeah.

I have a very little confidence in that, but I think the really important piece there is the 36 million people who are on Medicaid, who apparently don't deserve to get those benefits because you're lazy.

So good news.

There's jobs going to be waiting for you in the field, in the fields.

We have talked to Will Sue.

who is a ginseng farmer in wisconsin we have talked about how labor intensive it is in that specific instance to grow ginseng

yes

they have to be tended by humans yes there is no way right now and correct me if i'm wrong maybe there is but i don't believe there is there is no way right now to automate the work that those ginseng workers are doing there just isn't

Well, I listened to a response video to this yesterday and the woman clearly said on here on the video that the jobs that are automated in the farming world have already been done, right?

There is a certain point to which humans need to be in the process.

Okay, so let's put that as let's take that perfectly logical statement, Jane, and let's put it to the side and pretend like it's a lie.

Fake news.

So.

in order for farmers then to automate more or maybe give small farms the opportunity to automate more because they can't afford to do it.

So that's why they actually have people on their teams.

They're probably gonna need incentives, tax credits, tax breaks, maybe even just the ability to purchase with maybe a governmental loan that you can spread over more time at a lower rate.

With certain even with certain things that say like hey, you must do x y and z to get this to be qualified for that Yeah, all right Well, that's gonna be impossible now because you've taken all the ability to take tax money Diverted into programs for farmers because you're allowing billionaires to write off their private planes So I don't know it once again.

This is the the administration of

Great intentions, but with no plan whatsoever.

And by the way, I also just want to say something real quick here, because I know I'm getting real, real squirrely today.

This narrative of the quote, able bodied on Medicaid is never fully fleshed out to talk about the fact that individuals who are on Medicaid aren't.

This isn't 36 million people sitting on their butts.

eating chips, playing video games, doing nothing and collecting a check.

These are people who have jobs too.

These are people who work for companies who we give tremendous tax breaks to who say you should go on your state Medicaid program because our insurance isn't good or we don't want to cover you in the first place.

So really when it comes down to let's really talk about those 36 million

able-bodied people because I'm sure they would love to have a job that was better paying that gave better benefits but we don't require that in this country therefore they have to go on state Medicaid and they're still working they're the working poor and they're the people you now just want to quit their jobs and go work in the fields probably for no benefits and no insurance and probably less money I mean this is

This is shameful again.

This is disgusting.

And she stands there with this might in her voice to say like, we will, I mean, I've never heard a person speak with more confidence of draconian horrific treatment of individuals in nasty portations with no amnesty.

But man, we're gonna get people working.

Like the lazy people.

Yeah.

The lazy people.

So we're gonna, we're gonna drive to Walmart.

We're gonna, once ice gets rid of all the undocumented people and that's all done.

America then starts becoming great.

It will only get better when they redirect those ICE agents to businesses across this country to snatch those workers who are on Medicaid off their jobs, whether it's the assembly lines of Amazon or the warehouses of Walmart, and put them in the fields to say, hey, I like avocados.

Keep picking.

What is this?

What is this?

855-752-4842.

If you would like to join the conversation, Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins yesterday says, don't worry, we're gonna continue mass deportations, no amnesty, and worried about all the immigrants that are picking produce in our fields, don't worry about it.

We have people on Medicaid who are gonna do that.

Apparently, according to this administration,

855-752-4842, Sue from Franklin texting in, listening on WAUK.

This is a thing that frustrates me.

Reporters don't ask hard questions to this administration.

And if they do, they get some BS answer, they don't push back and ever ask the tough questions.

You're absolutely right.

And they don't do follow-ups.

They just take the answer and then someone else moves on.

I would love to see some other reporter continue the follow-up question from the previous reporter.

Unfortunately, and this is, this is the thing is where you have to separate, you have to separate the reporter almost from the media outlet because I am sure that these individuals want to ask the follow-ups and pressure for hard answers and really get, I mean, and either get an answer or expose them for being liars and frauds, which Brooke Rollins is, but

They have bosses and those bosses have bosses and those bosses have shareholders and they want access Or they also have buddies in the White House and they're being told just we don't want to lose our access to the White House Just go easier.

I'm not telling you you can't do it.

Just go but what's easier than?

What where's the definition then and that's the hard part is that I guarantee you that a lot of the individuals in that White House press corps want the truth they want transparency they want answers but they're

They're having their hands tied by the corporate outlets they work for.

There's certainly a piece of that in there.

Absolutely.

855-752-4842.

Dinah from the Wausau area is on the phone.

Good morning, Dinah.

Thanks for joining us.

What do you want to say about this?

Hello, this is Dave.

Dave, go ahead, Dave.

Sorry.

Yeah, on the topic of the Medicare and Medicaid issue.

I have a renter in my house who's like 58 years old.

He's about 375 pounds.

Obviously he's on Medicaid and he's also on full disability.

He works part-time like four hours every morning.

So if they take a disability, well, if they take Medicaid, how is he going to pay for his medical care?

If he works for Sue's Ginseng, he's going to have a heart attack out in the field.

Who's going to drag his body off?

Is that going to be a worker's health claim?

Yeah,

it's

just,

Dave, I just feel like this administration likes to come out and say, here's the fix, super easy, let's move on.

Without, again, and I've gone back to this from the beginning, they don't look at what happens if you do A, then what is the potential B?

What is C?

What is D?

What are consequences from these decisions?

I don't think they look that far.

No, and Dave, thank you so much.

Appreciate it, Dave.

So much for calling.

I'll give you

The canned response that would come out of the Trump administration if your renter had to go in the field and God forbid passed away while working They would say it's a terrible thing that happened But some people just aren't meant for that kind of work I guess or it was a terrible thing that happened But he did what he could to help us it would never be an admission of guilt ever of wrong of wrongdoing in their planning planning I'm sorry.

I use that word very loosely, but it would be

because they don't care about those 36 minutes.

They would have them work for free.

They would take them off Medicaid immediately and throw them in the field and say, work and be happy, you've got the job.

And you can eat some food from the field too while you're

at it.

And the other thing, and we've talked about this previously, how are they going to determine who deserves to be on Medicaid or not?

Are they meeting individually with these 36 million people?

No.

From what I understand, it is going to be about the paperwork.

That's how they're going to filter through who should get Medicaid or not, without knowing the specific cases and what is involved.

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Do you pajama?

Do

you pajama?

That's what we're wondering about.

I'm not trying to get any visual images or anything.

It's just what we do.

Do you pajama?

There are people who love pajamas.

They say, I say at Christmas time, it's all by pajamas.

So we're talking about pajamas after 1030 and then we'll wrap up the show with this shouldn't be a thing is a rose by any year.

The name still rose is a rose is a rose.

He is addition, addition of his bet.

That's around 1051.

This came by and I think it's something we can all go.

Yay.

We can all agree on this.

I hope.

Yeah.

We don't have to take our shoes off anymore.

Like when you go through the airport.

Like immediately?

According to WLWT 5 reporter Sean McKinnon, at least in Kentucky, a surprise midweek policy change in effect at airports across the country.

If you are flying, you can now keep your shoes on while going through TSA.

Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem

says TSA put the policy of no shoes into effect in 2006, almost 20 years ago.

This is all goes back to 2001.

And the one guy who tried to set explosives in his shoes on fire, Richard Reed, didn't work.

But it was enough.

This was again, 2001.

to institute this policy.

So we have all, if you fly, if you've flown anywhere in the last 20 years, you know this, about the taking off of the shoes.

Now I guess we don't have to do that anymore.

Homeland Security, Kristi Noem says, new technology like biometric scanning makes shoe removal obsolete.

We've added new scanners, new technologies, more TSO officers in some areas,

Real ID also gives us another layer of security, knowing who is going through our checkpoints and who isn't.

When asked if the no-shoes policy was security theater, Noam said everything the TSA does and requires their travelers to do has always been necessary.

Until this very moment when it wasn't necessary.

When it wasn't necessary anymore.

Why

do

they even talk sometimes, Jane?

God!

Noam says rules like taking out your laptops and the liquids and bags are still in place for now.

But Homeland Security is reviewing them.

Great.

So that might change too.

You know, I'm just going to say this right now, if this would have been the Biden administration doing such a measure, my thought would have been shrug, okay, why did I just pay $75 for TSA pre-check?

The fact that the Trump administration is doing it.

It's now what my answer is shrug.

Why did I pay $75?

So I'm just gonna say this I didn't care either way who did this I just think it's ridiculous that after nearly 20 years still had it which I'll tell a short story a couple years ago I was flying and they were very very understaffed at the check-in

And at one point a lady just gets up and says out loud, keep your laptops in your bag, keep your shoes on your feet, keep your belts on.

We're not doing that today.

And I always thought that this seemed like rather arbitrary.

There's

these

policies.

That declaration from a TSA worker confirmed my beliefs that

It's Tuesday

leave the belt sign.

It's

fun.

It's interesting that you say that because when I flew to see my friend in Texas in March Yeah, in Milwaukee.

I had to take them off not in Texas.

Yeah.

Yeah, so it really did seem to be kind of arbitrary Depending upon where you were.

Yeah, but At least for my husband who has a spinal cord injury and he is not very bendy.

Yeah, that was truly a pain.

Yes

Taking his shoes off and putting them back on is not a poof poof slide him on slide him off.

That's not how he it again.

He has a spinal cord injury.

This is It affects his life.

Yeah, so this is nice But two that's why we had global entries so we were able to get around that yep And

I have TSA pre-check and I also would at the towards the end what I would do is even in cold weather I would travel in shorts flip-flops and a t-shirt There was as little to take off as possible I could flip the shoes off and put them back on because

If you're in Milwaukee, you're always getting caught in the recombobulation area.

That's a plug for Dan Schaefer.

Trying to get all your stuff off the conveyor belt, because it goes from, oh, I've got just got a backpack to this, to four

things of credit.

So yeah,

I just, I don't know.

It's like, great, this could have happened 15 years ago.

And by the way, Drake Bentley in the Milwaukee Journal sent in a recombobulation area to remain

at Mitchell Airport after shoe policy change.

So we will still have a place to recombobulate, even without the removal of shoes.

And if you can't do that at the airport, because you'd need a ticket, you can always recombobulate with us on Friday is at 10 o'clock with Dan Schaefer, Civic Media's award-winning political editor.

You can also subscribe.

to the re-combobulation area.

Absolutely.

See, Dan, how we did that.

We turned this entire story into a plug.

It's a

deal, though.

Yes, it is.

It's a great deal.

Absolutely.

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That's where we lighten things up to take a breath.

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Break for our

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That's not a bad point.

Uh, do you pajama?

This is apropos of absolutely nothing, but it was something that came up last week.

So no, yeah, it was off the air when we were, when we were cooking around in the office before we came in here

in this room and we have a television that plays behind us.

uh, running the news.

So it's no wonder we're always in such a bad mood.

Uh, and there was just a commercial with a gentleman wearing traditional pajamas, which, you know, the, the button down top

and the,

and

the

pants

and the

PJ pants.

And I just found it interesting that it was, it was such a, I'm going to say it old timey image because I don't think I know a single person who wears traditional pajamas, like the

Buttoned and I'm gonna I'm gonna speak from the men's side of it because like you know But that but even but even women's versions are the same thing.

It's the button down long sleeve shirt

And the same if

you're gonna be yeah, or you it's a nightgown a nightgown which I would say is monumentally more comfortable in my opinion because For me personally, I do not pajama in the tradition.

I mean I wear what I would call my PJs and that's just

Sorry folks, a pair of shorts.

Because anything beyond that, I'm tossing and turning, I

can't

wear a shirt, I'm bad, it's just weird.

And people who are like, I slept in my clothes last night and I'm like, how did you sleep at all then?

Because

that seems

impossible.

The image of a gentleman just wearing his pajamas being like, I'm about to go to bed now.

I'm like, wow, they're still doing that.

They look so neat,

right?

They look so neat.

Yes, absolutely.

They're not wrinkled or like, you know, there's a

button missing.

Freshly ironed

pajamas.

Exactly.

It's probably, I'm sure it's different if you have children.

If you have kids who might be walking in your room in the middle of the night or waking you up in the middle of the night, you probably wear more traditional pajamas.

Don't you think?

I don't know.

I mean,

no.

Or at least have a rope nearby.

No,

growing up in my family, my dad wore shorts to bed too.

And he didn't wear,

no, we never wore a shirt.

I don't, I

don't.

My father

wore pajamas.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, that's, I think our parents are at different ages.

So.

Just by

about 20 or

30

years.

Do you pajama?

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If not, like Greg, what substitutes for

your pajamas.

What are your PJs?

What are your what are your PJs?

8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 breaking down the really important topics right now during audio sorbet.

I love the commercials when I see them at Christmas.

Is that always seems to be by mom of no by mom new pajamas and a fluffy robe.

Yeah, or

They used to sell some really, really expensive like pajama gram things.

Those were like $95.

Those

are still around.

Like you want your husband's face on your pajamas and I'd be like, I don't want anyone's face on my pajamas.

There was a great SNL sketch about that where it was, you know, it was a four, four, four person family.

the dad got a watch, the kid got a laptop, the other kid got a smart watch, and the mom's like, I got a robe.

Like

just that notion of like, get mom a robe.

Is that what she wants?

And how many robes do you go through in a year?

I just have the one robe that I literally have had the same robe for like 20 years.

It's

comfy, it's wonderful, and I will never get rid of it.

And it does the job.

Exactly.

Of a robe.

Exactly.

Do you pajama 855-752-4842, Sarah from Green Bay?

listening at WGBW.

I love the long t-shirt type pajamas.

I own at least 10 of

them.

Yeah, cool.

And that's like, I feel like that's a modern take on us on a nightgown.

There's this other nightgown.

Yeah,

because

yes, you just you want to be covered, but you also don't want to be constricted.

And I feel like traditional pajamas restrict

you.

Yes.

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Whistler from Racine is on the line.

Good morning, Whistler.

What, pajamas?

Yes?

No?

Some other thing?