Tattle Snakes In The Park (Hour 1)

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We're going to talk to Nick about the No Kings protests that were held around the country on the same day as someone's eco parade.

And there are other protests that are scheduled.

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We're going global.

It has something to do with an event that's happening this weekend in Venice.

Yeah.

In Venice, I believe.

Wanted to start off with a very serious subject, though, briefly.

Two Milwaukee police officers were seriously injured in a north side, aside shooting last night.

A 32-year-old Milwaukee officer in critical condition.

A 29-year-old with non-fatal injuries.

Authorities say a suspect opened fire on them about 9.30 last night as they were responding to calls of a shot fired.

Again, this happened about 9.30 last night in an alley in the 2,200 block of North 24th Place.

People, even into early this morning, were still asking people to avoid the area because of a threat to the public.

They were searching for a known suspect who at this point, I haven't seen anything else, he is believed to still be at large.

Certainly send our thoughts and healing thoughts to these two officers and their families.

It's a tragedy.

It's a terrible thing.

And we will continue to monitor this as the morning goes along again.

Last I've seen this suspect is still at large.

Once we get something counter to that, we will share that with you.

This that I saw this morning in the Milwaukee Journal set no with Kate by Caitlin Lubey has the byline The headline reads Trump inspired signs Ask Apostle Island visitors to report anti-American information I Had to read that like four times.

Yeah, that's

not a very that's I feel like with what she was given the sentence does it just it's

What?

Science have been posted at the Apostle Islands National Lakeshore here in Wisconsin, asking people to speak up if they see anything that comes across as disrespectful toward America or its history.

The Department of the Interior, which manages the national park system, has put up signs that national parks around the country

asking people to report, quote, any signs or other information that are negative about either past or living Americans or that failed to emphasize the beauty, grandeur and abundance of landscapes and other natural features, unquote.

These signs at our national parks are part of the Trump administration's

Restoring truth and sanity to American history executive order.

Eight five five.

Yeah, seriously.

Seven five two four eight four two.

That's eight five five.

Seven five civic.

When you're going to a national park.

Yeah.

You're in the family, taking a road trip maybe.

Yep.

Going to go visit a national park.

Is that the first thing on your mind is to be in the lookout at our national parks for things that are anti-American and are negative about past or living Americans?

What?

Seriously, I read this this morning and I thought this can't be real.

This can't be, is this real?

This

is real.

It's real.

It's absolutely real.

It's definitely spearheaded by a group of people who are totally legitimate and level-headed in their thinking.

I don't understand this at all.

Like, I truly have no, I have no words.

I know.

I am bereft of words on this because clearly

Someone, a group of people, got into a room and said, you know what we need to do?

You know where there's a lot of non-patriotic people coming through?

The parks.

The national parks.

You know, those hippies in Joshua Tree.

So, are they upset about Native American burial mounds?

I'm really trying to understand what they think people are going to report on.

that falls under this banner of restoring truth and sanity to American history.

Do I do I?

Do I report somebody who was wearing a t-shirt says defund the police?

Do I report somebody who has a bumper sticker that says I voted for Kamala?

What are your qualifications?

What are the parameters

in this?

Who goes to who goes to like a national park and says, Hey guys, I'm looking for trouble.

Let's uh

Can we really talk about what happened in the Civil War and how the North wasn't that as good as we were led to believe?

Can we just talk about that while you're on your vacation with your kids?

No, it would be the South

wasn't as

bad

as we were led to believe.

They were just misunderstood.

States rights, baby.

Well, no, but that's the thing is that's the history they'd want to push.

Absolutely.

But it's this...

The signs include a website and a QR code.

So people can file a complaint from their

phone.

And

they encourage people to report anything that needs fixing in the park.

Well, that's going to be good to know because they fired a whole bunch of park service people.

So yeah, they're going to need a heads up about things that need to be fixed.

That's not a bad thing.

Jane, you know what needs to be fixed in Grand Forks Park?

this stunning lack of patriotism.

Is that what it

is?

Well,

and that's the thing is like, do they think they're gonna, well, it doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter what the reality is.

They will say in a couple of weeks that their phones and the text lines were blowing up with all sorts of reports.

It's like when they looked for fraud through Doge.

Okay, cool.

All right.

One, if these reports happen, I want to know.

This is a public website in a public park made by the government.

I want to see

Who is rounded up because this is a very I Don't want to say comical because this leads to more it leads to darker things because this is this is tattle on your neighbor Yes, this is this goes back to and and America this isn't the first time America has done this either they're doing it now in Texas

I'm

talking about like during the world wars like you got a German neighbor here and talking German tell the American government You know, so this is nothing new to this this country, but this is tattle on your neighbor and

Because why at a national but this is so dumb

Sue from Franklin listening on WA UK texting in this shouldn't be a thing.

Yeah, thank you, Sue Yeah, John from Oshkosh.

This probably must be about Mount Rushmore and Crazy Horse There are images of Native Americans flipping off Mount Rushmore

Okay,

so then I guess that will fall under this Mandate

about reporting information that's negative about past or living Americans, or that failed to emphasize the beauty, grandeur and abundance of landscapes and other natural features.

AI wrote that.

Well,

also, it's like, I went to the Grand Tetons and I was standing next to this guy and he said, no, they're fine.

Get him.

Like.

This is, this is, this cost money.

We paid for this.

We paid for these signs.

We paid for these meetings.

We paid for the website, the decisions.

This is, this is the fraud and waste.

This is the stuff that Doge should be cutting out.

Not the people who can run the nuclear facilities or the meteorologists.

No, this is the stuff.

Like literally you feel better about yourself.

I wanna know,

I know I don't want to know.

I don't care This is so dumb but yet

so Disturbing and dangerous and dangerous as you said Jeff Ryan Renneke is the executive director of the Friends of the Apostle Islands National Lakeshore.

He said he saw one sign Outside Park headquarters last month.

He believes politics should stay out of our natural parks and lakeshores

and that stories connected to our parks should be based on truth, like they have for the past century.

Renneke says people don't come to our parks for politics.

They come for beauty and connection with the natural world.

They're not here for controversy.

Other sign critics have called the signs chilling, saying they undermine park rangers and are in attempt to erase important parts of American history.

They're doing the same thing at the Smithsonian.

And Elon Musk said it out loud.

We talked about this earlier this week.

I want to rewrite knowledge.

He's going to rewrite Grock because Grock, unfortunately, is not giving him the answers that he wants.

So he's going to go back through history and correct the mistakes that were made out through history.

And the other thing, too, is the way that it's worded.

You know, when did America and when I say America, I don't mean like Trump or even the supporters.

I mean.

When did America as a thing become so, so fragile that it couldn't deal

with

sensitive couldn't deal with its own?

Yeah.

Mount Rushmore.

This land that was taken was all taken was this whole thing was taken But like those are the important conversations.

We they aren't anti They're the height of patriotism to talk about the flaws of your country and the things that have been done to create this vast land Yeah, they're not pretty.

They don't make you feel good, but there are conversations that need to be had and just by rewriting

history, rewriting knowledge.

Makes it not so.

It doesn't

go away.

In fact, only makes it worse.

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Good morning, Dale.

Thank you for joining us.

Yeah, good morning, Jane.

Putting up these signs in the national parks, this is part of the Trump administration trying to turn our country into a police state.

cattle on your neighbors, you know, that they have said something or wrote something or whatever, you know, it's part of Trump trying to make our country into a police state.

I appreciate that, Dale.

Thank you.

And thank you for listening.

Always, always appreciate that.

Yeah, I this whole rat on each other.

Yeah, because it starts at a place that it starts at a place like the

it's innocuous, right?

Yes.

But where do those signs go next?

I would imagine that if you're going to be visiting one of our national parks and you happen upon one of these signs, you could send them messages.

Yes, absolutely.

Check in and tell them some things you think could use a little attention.

That's one idea.

Yeah, just a thought.

Just a thought, not saying one should do anything specific.

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running into lots of cases where they're grabbing the wrong people.

This is from today's Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, from Richard Fogarty and Eva Wendt, detained after a routine immigration hearing, a Cuban asylum seeker finally makes his way back home to Wisconsin.

Yeah, Giresnope Robles entered the country under the Biden administration and at that time,

Under the Biden administration, border agents were allowed to release some migrants who claimed asylum while they went through the immigration proceedings.

This did not apply to anybody with criminal records or anybody who had already earlier illegally entered the country.

So he was in the process.

He was following the process that was laid out for him.

And then of course,

up until the Trump administration blew up all those policies.

He had been going to his appointments.

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He believed he was following the process.

Most of the time, his immigration meetings were here in Milwaukee.

Occasionally, he had to go to Florida where he had first established his case.

So we had to make an appearance in Florida last month or in May.

went down there in a surprise move to Jerez Nobles and his attorney when he showed up for his court appearance, the Department of Homeland Security asked the judge to dismiss the case without giving any reasons.

Judge dismissed it.

He went outside, ICE arrested him.

We've said it before and I'm gonna keep saying it again until I can't say it anymore.

Remember when they're all, the only thing they said was,

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way the right way legally if they just did it legally there'd be no problem if

only i'd have no problem

with it only they're doing it but they're not doing it the right way we do not have i've listened i've listened so many interviews on this just on civic media no one has a problem with getting rid of the criminals

But even one they are deserving of due process

they get to have it.

Yes,

that is in the Constitution I know sticky situation weird document written a long time ago, but also we are seeing so many instances where people who are Going through the process legally doing exactly what they need to do legally

And they're just, we saw it, the woman from, not Venezuela, she's from South America.

She was going through the process and finally got to the point where she just couldn't do anything.

She's self-deported with her children who were born here.

So that statement, that argument, they just did it the right way.

It's no longer valid because none of the, no one from the Trump side is saying, whoa, they did it wrong.

they shouldn't be doing this.

They shouldn't be standing for this because it goes against everything they say.

Well,

but again, it's, they pulled the rug out from under these people who are in the midst of this process.

And then now they've said, well, now we're not doing that anymore.

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Robles exited the courtroom with his attorney before he could even get to his wife and mother to tell them anything.

Immigration agents in plain clothes surrounded him without showing ID or an arrest order.

So they sent him away for a month Now he's back.

Yep, but it took a month it took a month He was going through the process that our government had established

but now it's like it's I mean, I'm sure he's gonna continue to go through the process But now you live in fear that it doesn't that none of that will ever matter because you've been taken once what to say they don't take you again and

According to this article, the Trump administration has expanded the practice of expedited removal.

And it was under that policy that Robles was detained.

His attorney argues he didn't qualify for it in the first place.

This expedited removal only applies to people who have been in the US for less than two years, and that does not apply to him.

He's been here for more than three years, no criminal record.

But now he's back.

He's back.

I'm waiting for the apology from the Trump administration and from ICE.

I'm sure that's coming any day now.

They would sooner apologize to the ICE agents saying, I'm sorry that you had to go there and none of it worked out the way you thought.

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Unanimous Wisconsin Supreme Court blocks UW Health nurses unionization.

Oh my god.

Backing act 10.

UW Health is not legally required to recognize its nurses union or engage in collective bargaining.

Again, another unanimous state Supreme Court ruling.

Justice Brian Hagedorn wrote when we examine the statutory language along with the statutory history, we conclude that Act 10 ended the collective bargaining requirements formally placed on the UW hospitals and clinics authority.

So this ruling upholds previous decisions by Wisconsin Employment Relations Commission and a Dane County Circuit judge.

Wisconsin Employment Relations, that sounds so nice to say.

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Now the question I have, and this is probably, this is a.

Jim Santel or a Maggie Dawn question because they are lawyers right is this so far they have not heard any cases challenging acts acts 10 and 32 yet if I'm not mistaken, right?

I believe you're correct.

Yeah, so my my wonderment in all this is if They go through the process acts 10 and 32 are reviewed by the courts and they and and in a in a hypothetical

They say these are unlawful.

They do not blah, blah, blah.

We strike them down.

They're no longer valid in the state of Wisconsin.

Does that open the doorway for these nurses again to bring up the process of unionizing?

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UW Health nurses last union contract expired in 2014.

At the time, UW Health said Act 10, the 2011 state law getting rid of most collective bargaining rights for public employee unions, barred it from negotiating a new contract.

nurses countered hospital management could choose to recognize the union and bargain with it.

Fueled in part by the effects of the pandemic, nurses' efforts to unionize also followed cost-cutting measures, raising concerns about staffing and patient care.

And that has been a big part of what we've heard about, is that they're worried about losing more nurses and then how that is going to affect, I don't know, the people they're supposed to take care of.

Yeah, remember when nurses...

specifically nurses and healthcare workers, doctors, but we like this country in 2020 we just could not get enough about.

We applauded them.

We applauded them.

We clanged pots and pans.

We went out to our balconies and said thank you and this is of course the things we get.

Teachers, you're heroes.

You can't collect barred nurses.

You're heroes.

We're cutting your jobs and cutting your salary.

I feel like people think that nurses and these other folks that we we lionize and worship and they deserve the credit they get and they should be paid way more.

But do they think they can use that adulation to pay bills and to

buy food with that?

Respect is great.

It doesn't really do much when you're trying to pay your mortgage.

Yeah, exactly, exactly.

Attorneys for the nurses argued to the Supreme Court in February that the hospital functions like a private employer and therefore should be governed by the Peace Act.

UW health attorneys argued that the intent of Act 10 was clearly understood to dismantle unions.

And despite the fact that UW hospitals and clinics authority was created in the 90s, lawmakers and passing Act 10 made it clear it was included.

We've talked to some nurses from SEIU.

And they are really genuinely concerned about

how this is going to affect patient care.

Yeah, absolutely.

Absolutely.

And also attract nurses

coming into the field.

And we're having some time already.

Yeah.

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Good morning, Cassandra.

Thanks for joining us.

Good morning.

Well, as you guys know, I'm a nurse.

We actually just had a discussion with our HR department and they asked us.

like how do we retain our nurses?

Well, we're getting so much thicker patients and we're getting told we have to take on more patients at a time when they're actually thicker.

And I think people don't realize like if these Medicaid cuts go through, that's actually going to make things

Even

worse.

People are going to get sicker because they don't have the money, they don't have insurance to come in when things can get figured out sooner.

And hospitals are going to be able to continue to meet what the market is paying in other areas for the nurses.

So this is just this like.

self-fulfilling toxic.

It's going to keep going and keep going and keep

going.

I agree with you.

I really don't think that people understand, especially when we talk about this budget bill, that they're trying to ram through in Washington and what those cuts will do to our hospitals because of the Medicaid cuts, because it's all part of a piece.

It's all part of the same system.

Cassandra, if you were able to

I'm just curious.

Where are nurses salaries better if you decided to pick up and go?

Where would you go?

Honestly, I don't know that I would pick up and go.

That's the other thing is like the grass isn't really that green

on the other side.

Sure.

And moving is expensive.

Yeah.

Exactly.

Yeah, and I mean, you know down around Milwaukee, they get paid a little bit more, but I'll see your cost of living is

is

higher and like the nice thing what we should should be doing, but I know California is like a whole other can of worms, but they actually have mandated staffing ratio out there like it's law like

how

many patients the nurse can take and They get paid pretty handsomely out there, but again, it's a cost of living thing.

Yeah out there

I appreciate it.

Thanks so much, Cassandra, for checking in.

Thank you for being a nurse.

You're a saint.

I couldn't deal with it.

Too many bodily fluids not happening.

But again, another unanimous decision by the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

It sounds like it may have been, I don't know if it's a procedural thing or whatnot.

We were talking about with Jim yesterday and said, you know, when it comes to the procedure of it all, is that what?

It was what influences the decision.

So, I mean, that's a question for him.

That is some breaking news from this morning.

Right now, he has been waiting on the phone from the Wisconsin Democracy Campaign.

Nick Ramos is on the line.

Good morning, Nick.

How are you doing?

Jane, I was so happy to be here.

And I'm sorry that technology wanted to keep us apart, but I tell you.

I'm coming in hot.

I'm ready to be able to chat about the world's topics, Wisconsin topics.

I'm just glad to hear your

point.

We're so happy to have you on, Nick.

It's been way too long.

I don't think we've talked to you since the day after the election or the day of the election.

So it's great to have you back, Nick.

Let's talk a little bit about the No Kings protests and what else is coming up over the summer.

Well,

I like the world and Wisconsin just to remind themselves that we live in a democracy.

There is no king.

There's no prime ministers.

We have people that we elect and they get to have the privilege of, you know, making decisions over our lives because we send those representatives to make those choices because we believe in them and we believe in process.

But, you know, these are some really interesting and weird times right now.

You know, I get to hear.

Our president talked about the golden age of America.

Man, does it not feel that golden to me?

It feels kind of brown if you ask me.

And people, I think, are waking up to the fact that we...

need to be able to speak up and speak out when there are folks that are trying to erode what we have known as democracy.

And so, you know, around the country, there were thousands of rallies, and I had the privilege of being able to emcee the No King's Rally in Madison.

And I got to tell you, I mean, looking on the next crowd, feeling that energy, being able to have folks like

Senator Bernie Sanders call in or even Raphael Warnock flying in from Georgia to just be there for just a weird cameo.

But like, it was all love.

I mean, you would have thought he was a Wisconsinite.

Like, I look out in the crowd, 17,000 people show up on a Saturday afternoon.

And I mean, the mood, I have not been about part of something so electric.

I mean, people really care about democracy and they really want to make sure that like we are not going backwards.

We're going into a place where folks

know that when we elect people that they're going to do the right thing and when they break the law people deserve to be held accountable.

I mean people are really electric right now and they want people to keep that energy so there's going to be more rallies that happen throughout you know this

Nick, I'm sorry, we're coming up against a hard break.

We will be right back and continue our conversation with some details about other protests that are coming up.

Nick Ramos is the Wisconsin Democracy campaign.

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And Nick, before we went to the break, you were talking about the No Kings rally that was massively successful around the country and that there are other things planned for this summer, right?

Yeah, I mean, you know, the No Kings rally and some of these things that you guys and folks around the world are seeing, I mean, they're happening pretty in real time.

I mean,

I feel like in a way that I haven't seen this country act in the past, it's like when folks see that things are happening from the Fed, when it comes to talking about cutting Medicaid, Medicare, you know, this big, beautiful, stupid bill that they keep talking about, like there's just

People are reacting in real time and then trying to organize on the ground around here and around the state.

So it's like, well, I can't give folks necessarily, you know, a long list of things that are happening.

I have to imagine, but before we get to the end of the year here, there's going to be something, I don't know.

I mean, I didn't think, Jane, that we would ever be talking about the potential for us entering World War III.

because our president decides, you know, he

can just

drop bombs on countries without getting legislative oversight.

It's like people, and I hear it when I travel the state, like there are so many issues that people, it just absolutely makes them so angry and they want to be able to do something.

And so there's going to be stuff, whether it's about, you know, medical access for women to be able to have the choice to decide whether they want to take a child to term or be able to, you know,

uh, have those types of medical procedures to do what's going to be right for them.

There's going to be so many big things.

And so we're just, we're watching what's happening and we're trying to be nimble and swift to be able to address those things and not just go quietly.

Well, and I do think it's interesting, Nick, because at least we have found that, and certainly with this budget bill and even going back to project 2025, once people learn more about it, they don't like it.

Right.

Well, and you know,

I wish that, you know, it would be great if folks heard about it before and then we didn't

have

to do all the work, you know, and be skating uphill.

But, you know, I think it's better to know now than to not know it all.

And so, you know, folks, I mean, just continue to organize locally.

We have a lot of things that you can be doing in New York be so powerless, like, and you can see

It just takes one person to tell another person to come show up to something and then it could end up being 17,000 people like we're more powerful than we even know wisconsin so like let's stay active and stay engaged.

And something nick i want to take i want the exact point i want to take is that there are people out there who live in.

You know, rural areas up north, down south, wherever, and they say, well, I'm just a blue dot in a red sea.

And I don't know what to say.

And I'm going to say, and I will respond with this.

Yes, there were 17,000 people in Madison, but there were 300 people in Spooner, Wisconsin, who stood up.

Spooner.

So if you look at your town, your village, your unincorporate, there is someone who believes in the same things you do.

Organize, get together, make your voices heard.

Share what you know.

Share what you

know.

Man, you guys are over here inspiring me to go through a brick wall here and really get the fuck around now, man.

Okay?

Boner, I see you from all the way down here in Madison.

We love

you.

Yeah, exactly.

It's really, it is very heartening, though, to see that kind of turnout in smaller communities where I think somewhat unfairly we brush everyone with the same brush and assume that everyone is MAGA and that's not true.

There are so many

more things on which we agree than disagree when it comes to funding childcare, when it comes to funding our schools, when it comes to having clean drinking water.

These are all things that Wisconsinites agree upon for the most part.

You don't need to be a Republican.

You don't need to be a Democrat to want clean drinking water.

You don't need, like, these are things that truly

ought to be nonpartisan but the toxic nature of our politics have changed it so that you need to be one side or the other on these issues but like here's the thing people like as these beautiful hosts that you get so privileged to hear their silky voices every morning i'm just telling you that like we are so much more in this boat together and if we can just take the time to really

Be able and it's hard because there's so many things happening, but if we can take the time to just talk to each other and have these conversations I'm telling you like it's all about what we don't know and what we can't understand is what we fear the most and I'm just telling you that like Don't let the fear mongering and all this rhetoric Make you believe that we're you know doing something that is so contrary that you don't have neighbors You don't have people to believe and the same things you believe in that's like if we can do this

We can really make sure that our democracy doesn't have to face threats against it, like what we're seeing right now.

But like, people, I'm so proud of you for not running away when the bell is ringing.

And like, we have more work to do, but we can do it while we're doing it together.

Get involved.

You might not do politics, but at some point politics is going to do you.

Nick Ramos is the executive director for the Wisconsin Democracy Campaign.

It's been great, Nick.

We'll get you back on real soon.

Thank you so much.

Jane, thank you.

Thank you, Greg.

See you guys.

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Thanks for having me.

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But first, before we get into it, thoughts are with the Milwaukee

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We had

A lot of results come out yesterday from the Market University Law School poll.

That's

right.

And as you, as you well know, Jane and Greg, as I've been doing now for six years at the recombobulation area, I've written a breakdown of every new installment of the market university law school poll.

So it doesn't take you any time at all.

Yeah, that's right.

But I, you know, every time I think it's like, Oh, I don't have to come up with a column idea this week.

This will be an easy one to write.

But then I end up spending a lot of time crunching the numbers and digging into it and trying to find some interesting takeaway.

from it.

So that's what I have published yesterday at the Reconbibulation Area, my five takeaways from the latest poll here.

So I think

Maybe let's start with the Tony Evers question because I think that was the headline item from the poll.

And, you know, I was not surprisingly watching that one with interest,

considering

I wrote

a column with a little

bit of attention a couple of weeks ago here about whether or not Tony Evers should run for a third term.

So

of course, you know where I stand on this one.

I do not think that Tony Evers should run for a third term.

And here's how it broke down on the polling.

on the top line overall and then by party identification.

So overall, 42% of Wisconsin voters say Tony Evers should run for a third term with 55% saying that he should not.

Now this breaks down in pretty typical partisan fashion.

So for Republicans, 93% say no, or that he should not

run.

Only 93.

What a shock.

And then for independence, I thought this was probably the most interesting one of the takeaways here.

37% say yes and 50% say no.

So a double digit.

you know, negative for whether independents say that Tony Evers should run for a third term.

And then among Democrats, it is again kind of like what you might expect, the inverse of the Republican side, although a few more knows.

So 83% of Democrats say that Tony Evers should run for a third term with 15%.

Saying no so overall you that's how you get to that that 42% yes 55% no overall breakdown,

but I do find it interesting that I mean at least among independents and Democrats Tony Evers is well liked Mm-hmm.

He is he is well liked and if you look at the the favorability numbers and the approval ratings in the poll like they're not they haven't gone up

considerably over the last few years or anything, but they've been very, very steady, you know, usually a slight net positive for Evers.

I think that's where he was in the approval rating.

His favorability was a slight net negative.

But that's another thing that we see in the poll and that I highlighted here as well is that, uh, if they all, they pull all of these, uh,

Politicians and political parties and movements for their favorability numbers So it's just the question is do you have a favorable or unfavorable view of this person or party or whatever?

Tony Evers has the best mark of anyone there, but it is a negative it is a negative net negative two Wow negative three for Tammy Baldwin negative four for Ron Johnson negative six for JD Vance negative eight for Donald Trump negative eight for the Republican Party negative ten for the MAGA movement negative sixteen for the Black Lives Matter movement

negative 19 for Elon Musk and negative 25 for the Democratic party.

So

that

is how things break down.

So Tony Evers, one of the things that he always talks about Tony Evers has the, is the most well liked politician in Wisconsin.

Well, he's well liked because nobody really likes anyone.

We don't like anything.

We

don't like it.

And I think this is partially just like what you come to expect in a 50 50 state.

Like if

you get.

Anybody from within your own party in this very evenly divided state that

you

know you lose 2% of support within your own party Well, then you're gonna have like a net negative or whatever and I think that part of that is just the nature of things In a state like Wisconsin that is so deeply polarized and so evenly divided in so many ways But I think it also just kind of shows to where our politics are right now because nobody really seems to

have a particularly positive view of anyone.

No, I

mean, the Democrats are really frustrated.

The Republicans are, I don't know how they feel, maybe overconfident at this point, but the thing that's interesting to me is the Democratic support of Tony Evers saying to run, and then the independents who say you should run, because that's, if I'm Tony Evers, that's what I'm looking at.

Is the independent members?

I'm looking

at, all right, I'm gonna have Will.

Because of everything that happened last year with regard to Joe Biden and just kind of anointing Kamala Harris and they're being real outcry from Democrats saying, look, you didn't give us a process.

You told us what we're doing.

You anointed her.

Exactly.

They didn't like that.

There was blowback on that was something we heard about the day after the election was this sort of handing the torch with no input from the people.

If Tony Evers runs again.

Will Democrats just kind of stand back and say, all right, he's the guy, will there be Democrats in that list that you talked about weeks ago

who will

stand and say, no, I'm going to primary this because I want to run for governor because we need a new person in there.

All that being done, if Tony's the guy, does he still retain as a lot of that democratic support and can he, can he push enough independence his way to get him a third term?

Yeah.

And I think this, these numbers I don't think are.

far from definitive in any direction.

They don't clearly say that, well, obviously Evers, his

time has

run out, he can't run again.

They also don't say...

that he's a lock to get reelected.

The most popular politician.

It's not like Tommy Thompson numbers or like some of the other times that we've seen like especially popular politicians in Wisconsin.

It's not like that.

That's why I think it's a genuine question and why we need to be having

this

conversation.

But also I looked up some other numbers here relating to this as well.

I mean, this is generally how things go.

Like Democrats like Democratic politicians.

Republicans like Republican

politicians.

This is not news to any of you here, right?

But if you go back to June 2024, that poll conducted just before that debate.

One year ago today, the worst debate performance in the history of debate performances from former president Joe Biden, 83% of Democrats had a favorable view at the time of then president Joe Biden.

Just over a month later, more than 90% of Democrats agreed with Biden's decision to withdraw from the race.

things can change pretty quickly.

And I think we overestimate, uh, how, or underestimate how public opinion can shift with a new candidate on a dime.

Well, I think it's also the, the, the many, many of the people, I mean, we talked to some of them here.

We listened to people on, on, on the air, both in civic medium beyond saying how wonderful Joe Biden was and the, and the, you know, the week after it's, it was a brave move where, you know, we were behind Kamala Harris.

I think it's not so much that.

that people, I don't, I don't know if they agreed, they agreed, but they also were probably really afraid to say it before it happened.

They're not going to be the ones to come out and say, yeah, Joe Biden needs to step down because this is a problem.

They are towing party lines.

And the moment he steps down, they're like, yeah, that's kind of what I thought too.

Okay.

All right, cool.

Kamala Harris is the lady.

Let's

do this.

And

it was just, it was, I don't know, it's a,

Yeah, I mean, how many market polls are going to be released between now and...

just next year.

There'll be a few.

And then Charles Franklin, the poll director gave me some additional numbers.

I had a question about this.

So like, I was like, well, is there a division by age within democratic voters or older or younger democratic voters have different views on whether either should run again.

And there is a little bit of a divide there with the youngest age group that they pull the 18 to 29 year old voters, basically the Gen Z vote right now.

So while 83% of Democrats across the board say that

Evers should run again in that 18 to 29 range, only 68% say that Evers should run for a third term.

So I do think that, you know, as Democrats, we've had all these conversations about how to reach, how Democrats

can better

reach younger voters.

My thesis on this is run younger candidates.

So I do think there is an aspect of this too, whereas just like there is going to be this generational divide.

And I think

Democrats are really playing with fire and losing some of those younger voters that have been really key to their coalition for a long time.

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Jean from Eau Claire is on the line.

Good morning, Jean.

Thanks for joining us.

Well, good morning, guys.

I totally disagree with...

even questioning Evers because people on our side of the state see a lot of them.

We see more of him than any governor ever and also he is responsive to the public and I think people know that.

They don't have any complaints on how he's governing the state.

I've never seen so much work done on our roads and money's going back to the communities and people know the guy.

I mean, they knew him from when he worked with the schools.

He's outstanding.

He's not a showboat.

With what we're going to get coming in here with lots of moolah and lots of lies, they cannot lie.

about Tony Evers because people know what he's done and they do like him.

Now comparing him to Biden is a whole different ball game because we had people running down Biden for a very long time before the race came up and oh he's too old or always trips or and things like that and because of his difficulty with speech.

Everybody knows Tony Evers

he's a normal kind of guy and yeah he's not the best debater but god darn it he gets things done and he means what he says and he has honesty and integrity which i think is missing in a lot of things going on and to try to educate somebody and get trust because we need trust right now more than anything

our country and in our state and we know Tony and he's not gonna pull all kinds of crap like Trump yes and what Scotty Walker did so we know him so anyway that's my consensus probably a lot more than that thank you for letting me get this off my chest because God darn it there is something in repeating repeating repeating that people when they take surveys they go

Well, I know he's doing a good

job.

It gets in their head, right, Gene?

Thank you, Gene, really appreciate it.

And that's a great, you know, that's your opinion.

Absolutely.

You were absolutely entitled to that.

And I do agree with a lot of what she said as far as Tony is not a showboat.

Tony is kind of the epitome of a Wisconsinite.

But I'm not out there bragging about all his

accomplishments.

Which I think it can be detrimental.

But I also think the conversation, and I disagree with Gene, the conversation needs to be had.

Well, and again, I don't think anybody's saying Tony's not competent, any of those things.

But what are our options?

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Dan has his latest column about that, talking about

whether or not Governor Evers should run for another term and who could potentially run against him on the other side.

And in today's Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, they're back.

Businessman Tim Michaels and Eric Havde considering return to politics with runs for Wisconsin governor.

Wasn't enough to lose the first time around, let's give it another shot.

They're rich, they're bored, they're entitled.

Yeah, well, whether it's Tim Michaels coming back from Connecticut or Eric Hovey coming back from California, they've, you know, I guess they're gonna give this another try.

I guess.

I don't know.

Yeah.

But that's the headline today from Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

Uh, as you know, there's been these headlines this week about Tony Evers in 2026 and, uh, the stuff from the Marquette poll.

Marquette poll did not poll any potential challengers.

Uh, Josh showman, uh, is the only guy who has declared.

And, uh, I think the fact that we are seeing headlines about Tim Michaels and Eric Hovey to tell you all about Josh showman about what, where his candidacy is going.

Tom Tiffany's also been mentioned.

He kind of, uh, on the side, Tom Tiffany has also been.

mentioned, yes, but he is also, I'm not sure if he would be the best statewide candidate for Republicans to run.

He has not been a very prolific fundraiser in his career.

He's won a couple of elections, obviously, and in a very red district, but he has not been a very good fundraiser.

And I don't know what kind of crossover appeal he would really have.

I think that would lead to a blue Ozaki County if Tom Tiffany were to run.

But I think that's a really important thing that you mentioned.

That's a critically important piece of who runs is how much money they can raise yes not qualifications Not qualities for both sides all sides.

It's about how much cash can you bring in?

to make this worthwhile.

Well,

if you can sell fund a little

bit, that's a big help right there.

There you go.

I think that's why Huvdy and Michaels are being mentioned is back in the mix here because they can sell fund.

They can make these runs.

So I think that's been such a huge factor for Republicans in these races.

They do not have a good bench right now.

And it's just like this doesn't that doesn't this go to show that the bench is

pretty, pretty thin, pretty thin

right now.

Well, and that's, that's my first thought is like one, we've seen a, since 2020, the, uh, no, not, I'm sorry, uh, 2024, the, the Republican, the Wisconsin Republicans calling for Brian shimming to step down because he just has not done the work that they, but the, but the problem with that is.

Is that I don't feel like they've ever properly defined what his work should be honestly Brian shimmings Brian shimmings.

Yeah, because I know he's supposed to fundraise He's supposed to get candidates elected, but he was he's one running this rip this Real narrow wire of trying to update the Republican Party bring and he did with early voting He really got that going, but he's got these candidates who aren't very good and

to me, if I'm a Wisconsin Republican, I'm going to say these two guys, there's nobody else who lives in the state that we can find and we can fund and we can get behind you.

You're going to bring back the clown boys from the coasts.

Seriously.

This is so, I feel like if, if one of these two guys ends up being the nomination nominee for the party and if they lose Brian Schimming is out because this will be the, cause he's already on the nice with them.

And I think that if he does not come through for the state,

He's gone and if I'm a if I'm a regular Republican here, I'm not happy about this

Republican party of Wisconsin chairman Brian shimming casting doubt on the likelihood of a Tim Michaels run while saying he could see hubby Joining the race because of course has hubby even conceded

yet

you know, Milwaukee and vote counts.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, he did a Daniel Kelly.

He's got real mad this concession.

Gotcha.

Good, good to know.

Pretty much.

Yeah.

What is with Republicans having to rerun all of these retread candidates over and over again?

You know, we ran this piece at the recon population area after Brad Schimmel lost from a contributor, Josh Clemens, who's a digital guy, works in a bunch of campaign stuff.

And he was saying, this is also a product of gerrymandering in the Republican side because

They have gerrymandered themselves into these safe seats.

And they don't actually have to compete for the votes.

And so that when you have an opportunity to build that bench, to have people in competitive races, to take the next step up, to run for statewide office, who from the legislature would make sense to run for a statewide office?

It's obviously not going to be like Robin Voss or Devin Lemahue.

Like who are the potential Pete?

Like we talk about on the on the Republican or on the Democratic side, you know, we've got a pretty strong bench for Democrats.

that they have built out over the last few years.

You look at the Republican side, the legislative leadership and elsewhere.

Where is it?

Oh, please Robin, run for governor.

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