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Todd Alba joining us, he broke some news.

He is a

news breaker.

He is

a news breaker.

Yeah.

Todd Alba going to be joining us after he had posted about this plan to cut $87 million from the UW system before that was widely disseminated.

Yeah.

And the next day they pulled it.

Oh.

Man, when they say things out loud, people listen and talk about it.

And then maybe don't like them.

Yeah.

So Todd's going to join us after 9.30.

We'll talk about the ongoing budget stalemate.

And then we'll also talk a little bit.

We talked about this yesterday about Chris Kappenga.

Yeah.

And asking for more security at the state capitol, which I do not have a problem with.

But again, he talked a lot about how lawmakers deserve to be safe when they go into work.

Yeah, they do.

Yeah, everyone does.

I kind of think we all do, especially our kids going to school should be able to do that as well.

So Todd, going to join us also in hour number two, a new reality show.

Yeah.

Based

in Wisconsin and heavily tied to one of Wisconsin's richest people, betting on Beloit.

Yeah.

We'll kick that around after 10 o'clock.

Should be interesting.

Yes.

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Wanted to start off with this.

This was a big decision overnight from the Supreme Court.

This from the Daily Beast, liberal justices slam incomprehensible scotus majority in furious dissent.

The three liberals on the Supreme Court raging against a conservative majority decision

which temporarily allows the Trump administration to resume deportation of immigrants to countries other than their homeland.

The 19-page dissent from justices Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan, and Katanji Brown Jackson say this is a gross abuse of the court's powers.

The new ruling is a big win for the Trump administration.

That means that immigrants can be deported to countries who are willing to take them without getting

extensive notice beforehand.

All that was asked was that these people, these immigrants, were given 15 days to explain why they were at risk of death or torture if they got sent back to these countries.

That's no longer the case.

It sounds like it's just another idea of what we call due process.

The process of, all right, you have to leave.

Why do I have to leave?

Here's why.

Okay, let me explain to you.

This didn't seem

This didn't seem like too much to ask 15 days in the in the guise of the immigration process here in America doesn't seem like a lot and The fact that the Trump administration wouldn't let that happen or didn't want to let that happen and the court went along with it Just goes to show this isn't really about a solid immigration policy.

It's just about deporting people a Volume of them and not just it's this isn't about making America safe.

This is about This is just give them around people you don't like

In

Monday's ruling, the conservative majority provided no rationale for their decision.

None.

They

just

issued the ruling and that was it.

No explanation on why.

In her dissent, Justice Sotomayor wrote,

free to deport anyone anywhere without notice or an opportunity to be heard.

Sotomayor also said the court's action was, quote, as incomprehensible as it is inexcusable, unquote.

We will talk about this more on Thursday when Jim Santel, because we are not lawyers.

We are not at all.

We are lawyer, Jason.

Jim Santel is an attorney.

He will be joining us on Thursdays as he always does.

So we'll talk about this more with him.

But this broke yesterday.

This is important.

And I also find it doubly important because we are finding more and more articles about people who have no criminal records.

were being deported from this country.

Yes.

Yeah.

So far, they told us they were going to go back

after the worst of the worst.

Yep.

And a lot of Americans, regardless of party affiliation, said, OK, if that's what you are going to do, then do it.

But I think a lot of individuals, myself included, we knew this wasn't going to be the case.

This was not going to be an altruistic mission.

This is going to be round them up.

put them on a plane, put them somewhere else, and they're another country's problem.

And they're putting them in supermax prisons, essentially.

They're putting them in these gigantic structures, and they have been deemed, they qualify under the term concentration camps.

In some instances.

In some instances.

And we have American elected officials going down there to take selfies and to brag.

This is not about making America safe.

It's about getting rid of a bunch of people that you don't like because they don't look like you.

Well, and it's about fulfilling quotas.

Yes.

This was widely reported.

Also, Trump wanted at least 3000 deportations a day.

I mean, and they have been finding, at least from things that I'm reading now, there aren't enough rapist criminal bad immigrants.

to fill these numbers.

Oh, you mean what he called, uh, those people back in 2015?

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, there aren't there.

There aren't enough of them.

So now they're just grabbing anybody off the street.

As you said, who don't look, they're not white.

Yeah.

They

don't look like

essentially that's what it is.

Yeah.

Um, there's, you know, this is for another conversation where I want to have the numbers, but there have been, you know, I've seen people posting about the amount of white immigrants who are here illegally and no one's going after them.

If they are, they've talked about maybe sending them back to France or England, but this is about sending brown people to South America, to Central America and getting them out of here with some notion that this makes us safer, even though it doesn't.

And we've seen U.S.

citizens, children, U.S.

citizens who are children being deported with their parents, which that's okay.

And then also, in the case of Kilmora-Briga Garcia,

Clerical error.

And the administration admitted that.

And then double down said, we don't care.

And then the president said, I have no power.

And then the other president said, I don't have power.

So we talked about this last week.

There is no forward thinking.

There is no long-term plan.

There is no... All right, it's 2025.

We would like to deport X amount of immigrants who are here unauthorized.

How do we do that?

Let's do some studies.

Let's talk to some people.

And then in 2026, we will start the process.

No.

That is, don't just hit the button, punch the button so it's broken, and let's just go.

And if people get swept up, who shouldn't be deported?

Well, that's too bad.

That's too bad.

You shouldn't have been brown then.

Sorry.

It's

collateral damage.

Exactly.

It's just collateral

damage.

It just happens.

It's America.

We got to make it safe.

Guardian is reporting, according to numbers, gathered from ICE and the Vera Institute of Justice after Trump

returned to the White House in late January, a steep surge in the arrests of immigrants in general, but one of the biggest jumps in arrest numbers have been of immigrants with pending charges.

They have not yet been convicted.

These are pending charges, but the biggest increase has been people with no charges at all.

Between early January and June,

This is from The Guardian.

There has been an 807% increase in the arrest of immigrants with no criminal record.

807%?

807%.

Yeah.

I

mean,

well, fortunately for those who support this, they think The Guardian's liberal trash, who are lying all the time in their fake news.

Right.

But I mean, it's just, we hear this, we're hearing it every day.

We're hearing stories every day about people being illegally detained.

I mean, just put aside the fact that due process is a joke now.

It's not even something that we have to fight for.

It's not something that was automatically a thing.

It had to be, hey, you did this without going through the constitutionally protected rights of all who are on this land, by the way, too.

That's important to always state.

Not just citizens.

Not just citizens.

It's any person on American soil has the right to due process.

Nope, we don't need that.

It's

getting in our way.

ICE data shows the agency is not just targeting people with criminal records.

And as you mentioned, being undocumented in the U.S.

is a civil infraction, not a criminal offense.

It is not a criminal offense being undocumented in the U.S.

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Good morning, Jean.

Thanks for joining us.

Hi.

In the meantime, I mean, this is beyond cool.

It's just plain evil.

It's a big cruelty show for the people that really

there are psychological problems with people who enjoy watching this kind of behavior of cruelty to other people this is real but anyway in the meantime america's children or elderly let's say all across america are paying for that with the programs being cut and the millions of dollars on those ice agents with their faces covered and do all kinds of really evil things people i mean this is like

cool tea and everybody better start praying if they're Christian because I mean I'm a Christian and I think this is just sick and so anyway guys keep up the great work people need to hear the stuff and they need to start voicing their opinions because this is sick stuff folks sick sick sick and if you are a Christian you better be praying God's gonna forgive us for all this evilese people are pulling on America and other countries

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Have a good day.

Bye.

Thanks a

lot.

And I know Jean is very involved and she calls her lawmakers all the time.

And I think it is a good practice to get into as long as you're polite.

Don't swear at people.

Yeah.

It undermines your argument.

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Myvote.wi.gov.

All you have to do is put in your address and the contact information for everyone, from the U.S.

Senate to the Wisconsin Senate, all the way down.

Yeah.

I think a, Jeannie Brough, an important point too, is that we're also wasting money on the Marines being in Los Angeles helping out

ice.

Absolutely.

And while all this is going on, whether it's bombing Iran, ice picking people off the street,

Let's keep our eyes on the prize too on Capitol Hill, where they are gutting our social safety nets.

They are giving their buddies lots of our money and they're going to make our taxes, the working class, the working pork go up.

So let's not forget that as well.

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Todd Alba will be here, our friend and colleague.

And the guy...

pretty much affecting, uh, the state policy in Wisconsin.

Todd from afar.

Todd, all about breaking news.

He has Abe.

a policymaker.

Whoa.

At least that's what we're going to

call it.

Yeah.

Oh, can we just, when he comes on, can we just shower him with so many compliments that he might just be like, I'm done because the man can't take a compliment.

We're from Wisconsin.

It's amazing.

No

one can take a compliment.

Before we broke for the news, we were talking about the Supreme Court decision, which allegedly allows the Trump administration to deport people without due process to countries where they are not from.

And in the show notes that Greg does after the show puts it together, a lot of links in there for articles that we talk about over the course of the show.

And there's a really good article in today's Cap Times out of Madison about a local man lived outside of Madison, has been here since 2018, was in the process of applying for...

I mean, he was following the process to become documented and they took a trip to Florida and now he was grabbed by ICE.

So I just think it's important for us to keep up on what's happening locally.

This is not just happening someplace else.

No, it's happening everywhere.

And this could eventually touch all of us in one way or the other.

Absolutely.

And like we said earlier, we have to stay vigilant and keep our eyes on them.

eyes on the prize, and that is what's going on with immigration, what's going on with Washington and the budget, and don't allow ourselves to be, you know, don't let the squirrels take your attention.

Exactly.

It's super easy,

too.

This, I just, this kind of jumps out at me.

If you're looking for a job.

I'm always looking

for a

job, Jayne.

You're looking for a job.

You can apply to the federal government.

Wait.

But

Jane didn't doze doze everything with the dozen.

CNN is reporting that just weeks after a firing blitz through the federal government, now the Trump administration has launched a hiring spree.

Some of the recent re-hires include Voice of America staffers.

They speak Farsi, which is an important skill when we talk about what's going on between Israel and Iran.

the National Weather Service rehiring some 125 meteorologists after Doge got rid of more than 500 of them.

Health and Human Services run by Bob Kennedy Jr.

brought back 450 Centers for Disease Control employees who were let go in April.

This is what happens when people do not game things out.

No.

Yeah,

I mean, yes, of course.

But we said this from the beginning, you come into, related to a business.

I bought this business.

Yes.

Instead of finding out what each department of the business does, and who knows what within those departments, I just fire everybody and start new.

That seems backwards to me.

I was gonna say stupid, but yeah, I guess yours is more... What could say that?

Yeah, this is...

I can't wait for the first Doge book to come out.

I'm going to be the first one in line to, for someone to map out the beginnings of Doge, everything they did in those few months, and then the downfall.

And then most importantly, the economic impact of it all, because they, if someone says to you, well, they saved $150 billion.

Well, for one thing, let's just say that $150 billion is nowhere near $2 trillion.

Second of all,

Not really.

Because when you look at them, if you look at the people they cut and the amount of salary they drew versus the amount of people they had to bring back, the amount it takes to, I think they had to pay people out because they were.

They took buyouts.

Not to mention when you hire new people, you have to onboard them.

You have to train them.

You have to go through that cost money as well.

So really, I wouldn't be surprised if Doge is going to cost this country quite a few billion dollars after the fact.

So once again, they could have said,

And there's a model for this.

Bill Clinton did this in the 90s.

He said he wanted to shrink the federal government workforce.

And it took them years because they did studies, they had conferences, they talked to people, they made sure everything was done correctly, smartly, and they cut quite a few jobs.

But that was after taking time and doing it with surgical precision as opposed to a hammer.

Yep, yep.

Exactly.

Or a sledgehammer.

Or a chainsaw.

Yeah, that too.

The CEO of the Partnership for Public Service, Max Steyer, calls the Trump administration's moves, quote, a mosaic of incompetence and a failure on the part of this administration to understand the critical value that the breadth of government expertise provides, unquote.

There are people in our government who are experts.

And a former Doge employee.

Came out said that his goal was to like he was really excited about finding waste He was excited about finding waste and cutting it and I think a lot of people are excited about especially finding fraud Oh, yeah, but he came out saying yeah, I found out that the federal government wait for it works pretty efficiently Farmer doge employee.

Yeah,

and I guess we could bring that home and talk about goat That was announced by Wisconsin Republicans

Goat

was

the Wisconsin

version of Doge.

Governmential oversight and accountability.

Accountability teamwork.

Sure.

What was that line?

Can you read that line?

We have to go to break real quick, but the mosaic of incompetence.

I want to get a picture of Donald Trump in the most dear leader type pose and just have those words underneath it in the fancies of thought.

The Trump

administration's moves are a mosaic of incompetence.

And a failure on the part of the administration understanding the critical value the breadth of government expertise provides.

Yes, there are smart people that we need.

So if you're looking for a job, apparently we got openings.

Yeah, we

do.

Let us know how that goes if you apply.

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Civic media's own.

Todd Alba is here.

Good morning, my friend.

How are you?

Well, Jane, Greg, Kelvin, Buenos Dias, and it's a fantastic day to see all of you.

You... you are a political influencer.

Even from outside of the state capital, Todd Alba is influencing what is happening with Wisconsin politics.

Let's talk about that $87 million that they were going to cut from the UW system.

Because you got some insider info, right?

Yeah, I mean,

I

think just a little bit.

I think the thing I was most pleased with, well, two things, I guess.

Number one, when we were able to get out some accurate and good information a little bit ahead of the curve, and that gave people some information to act, which I'm really pleased and proud of folks calling in their legislators.

I think that had something to do with this $87 million cut to UW, at least being delayed.

Internally, when we first started this show, it's going to be three years in November,

wrote out a show Bible and a show deck and one of the things on there is our goals.

We said, you know, we want to get to the point where we're not just reporting news, but we're actually breaking news.

So it's certainly the first time that we've been able to do that.

And, and, you know, I, I don't necessarily get to mess up a quote unquote journal list.

I went to Plattville, went to broadcasting, and had journalism courses.

They don't have a proper J school.

But one of the things that I'm just really passionate about is trying to dig in where we can, where we have time to do it, and do actually a little bit of reporting.

And so through my years of working at the Capitol, but also some more recent people, we're able to just use our sources to say, hey, we feel pretty good about what's coming down the line and report that a day.

I think early, and I think the biggest takeaway is, pardon me, when people are watching folks at the Capitol, it doesn't matter whether it's Madison or DC.

Anywhere, yes.

Anywhere.

They tend to want to do what

they want to

do instead of what the people elected them to do.

And I think it's embarrassing that...

The Republicans had no problem once they were kind of exposed and caught on this I mean they can it took them a data to recover they canceled the joint finance session after after Our story was out there, but then Robin Voss speaker the assembly was like yeah Yeah, my caucus has no problem today eighty seven million dollars from you know be systems budget And I think it was a leader Devon Lummi Hugh or others in the Senate that were like Yeah, absolutely.

I'm back.

Maybe Steve not we should actually cut more

of, you know, maybe this 87 million is a starting point.

The takeaway is that that amount of money would be an absolute gutting of the U.S.

systems.

We're not talking about the 350-ish million that Governor Evers requested of additional funds over current budgeting.

We're not talking about holding where the university system is at.

We're talking about 87 million less than what they operated on in the last biennium.

That will most certainly mean the two-year, the remaining six two-year campuses gone, probably

maybe another a four-year college university gone and or a gutting of a lot of programs.

I'm all for an honest look because there are places where I think Representative Nodal came out with an article here yesterday or op-ed piece in which he pointed out this $212 million IT software program a few years back.

He's right.

That was $212 million that system has spent

and the taxpayers got nothing for it.

The sad thing is, people at the Capitol knew that when it happened, and nobody at system got fired for that.

So let's do a real audit and actually find where money is not being spent wisely, but don't hold accountable the entire system or Wisconsin idea.

Well, and I think you make a really good point though, Todd.

Personally, I think their goal is to kill the UW system.

And they're doing this under the cover of it's too expensive.

We have to make cuts.

They're gonna starve it by a thousand cuts.

They're gonna kill it by a thousand cuts.

That is the goal.

It would be more honest if Robin Boss would just write up his curriculum that he once taught at our UW schools and just give it to UW.

Maybe we could agree on something then.

Because they want to control the curricula.

Some of them certainly.

And I think you're right.

Do I think that the Republican Party, the current iteration of the Laga Party has a war against higher education?

Yeah, I do.

Do I think every single one of them?

No, I'm not going to go that far.

I don't know every single one of them anymore.

But I think what's still irritating is guys like Robin Boss, he was the first student region of the University of Wisconsin

system.

Was he really?

Yeah.

It was between he and my friend Trigby Olson and another guy, the guy whoever it was from Madison.

And Robin Voss was the first student region.

He is sat on the board of regions.

He knows how UW System works.

He has a proud grad of the University of Wisconsin, Whitewater.

So, you know, Scott Walker, while he says for political purposes, the UW was, quote, it won't dent in indoctrination, unquote, he sends his own son to the University of Wisconsin, Madison, the most liberal university in the system.

And he's proud of it.

And you know what he should be.

But don't be the hypocrites just to go there to spend your money to send your kids there and then try to say, oh no, it's a terrible place.

They know better Jane.

That's the really sick part.

They know what they're saying is not true.

But like Scott Jensen used to say, every campaign has to have a hero and a villain.

and they've decided to make UW system the villain.

Well, and I think, you know, this goes right in play with the nationwide attitude, you know, the Republicans have been and have been railing against Harvard for decades for being a bastion of liberal thought.

And one of the things I thought was very interesting that Robin Voss said about the UW system was that they needed to have more a welcoming attitude to those who are conservative.

They need to feel like they're welcome there.

I'm like, this sounds like diversity, equity, inclusion, safe space.

I've been like, what are you talking about?

There are, I don't know how many kids are in the UW system right now, but I'd say to say there's probably a fair percentage who are conservative, okay?

They have conservative values.

They come from conservative roots.

I don't see stories about them being kicked out of campus, kicked out of classes because of their beliefs.

This whole thing that the conservative students are not welcome in the UW system is a load of garbage to appeal to a group of people

who honestly probably aren't big enough to influence anything, but they yell loud enough so that becomes the story.

And that is right there, the problem.

And not to mention the fact that Robin, every time he talks lately, he just outs his own policies.

I don't even get into the whole grocery store, trickle down economics thing, but he wants to, as you said, he's building this fear and the fear, the villain is.

Higher education.

That's the villain in this story.

Not a regent, not a teacher, not a different politician.

It's the educational system is the villain.

Well, you bring up a great point, Greg.

And I mean, Jane, you and I traveled around Wisconsin a little bit last summer.

And hopefully that's me knocking on wood.

We do that again.

I hear

that the EAA Museum and Butternut and the Lumberjack Festival are great places to visit in the summer.

I have heard the same.

I

have heard the same thing.

I also have a bus on my credit card for a little in July.

So I really hope that this happens.

Folks,

if you're just joining us, we have Todd Alba talking about some great plans maybe in July about maybe going on a

trip.

Possible road trip.

Possible road

trip.

The point is, Jamie, you were at Richland Center where just before they closed down to your campus there.

entirely at least.

You know, Trevi also and I, we've gone on a lot of UW campuses, Stevens Point.

We were at the Student Union to Greg's Point.

We were at the Student Union and Stevens Point.

There were three different conservative student group organizations set up signing kids up.

They were next to, you know, other student service groups.

And so this idea that somehow a conservative student group isn't welcome or can't participate, I've seen it with my own eyes.

in just ain't

true.

I'm sorry.

I don't usually do this, but I just want to just a person on the live stream said that no Republican has ever proposed trickle down economics.

I think is a very, very interesting statement.

And I just find that very funny because we've been talking about trickle economics, trickle down economics for what, four plus decades in this country.

Ronald

Reagan.

I believe, and Kelva, I guess I'll never ask you personally.

I won't make you out yourself on the air.

I believe of this four person panel right now.

I'm the only one who spent 30 years as a Republican, body part Republican.

I can tell the, and first of all, Wilbur's on the stream.

Thank you very much for listening to Matt Nair on a three day wonderful program.

Secondly,

uh, to say my friend, you are not accurate.

Uh, I was around when Ronald Reagan got elected and that was the key part of Reagan economics was trickle down economics.

So that has continued on.

There've been different iterations over the years, but yeah, there are certainly people who want to go back and revisit that.

And, uh, that was, I would say that's a part of my full party that, uh,

Didn't work.

Didn't take as George Costanza was.

A

lot of us still waiting for that trickle down

to trickle

down, actually.

And one of the things, Todd, you brought up, and we talked to Kareen Hendricks last week about this, that joint finance committee meeting that was canceled at the last minute.

And this has to do with childcare, which is, of course, in crisis, and we've discussed this very much on all of our shows here, is that Robin Voss made a comment saying that giving money to those who are doing childcare, those like Kareen who own the businesses, is like giving money to the grocery

store owners and hoping that they lower the prices.

And I'm like, that is trickle down economics that you are railing against.

You're saying that if we give money to the rich people that they won't do the thing, which is what you've been, it just doesn't make sense.

It just doesn't make sense.

Well, and you just hit on Greg, I listed most of the first half hour.

I'm not sure they hit on it yet.

Maybe we're going to later on, but this announcement by Governor Evers last night that he is going to veto the budget in its entire

if it does not include childcare funding.

So I really think what we're starting to look at here is I think there is a real chance for the first time as far as I'm aware of, we could have a situation where there is

no

new budget, either passed by the legislature or signed by the governor.

And we're just going to continue to operate for the next two years.

And to your point, Greg, if there is no new budget, well, childcare will keep going the way it was.

That's the point, because without the federal dollars coming in now, with the state funding state where it is, which is essentially zero for childcare, there'll be all kinds of closures

of childcare centers

across the state.

Because I believe the childcare counts money ends at the federal money, ends at the end of this month.

I believe it's the end of this

month.

Yeah, I believe it's June 30th or July 30th.

Yeah, I think you're right, James.

And Corrine Hendrickson said on the show last week, she said that if this goes through, if they do not get the funding they need,

One quarter, 1,000 businesses, one quarter of the childcare facilities in the state will close.

And that's

just- I've been a little tough once awhile on Governor Evers, particularly on the UW system.

I mean, look, I support him.

I think he's got a good governor, but I'm not just going to be a monolith and salute to him, but

I think

he's dropped the ball on DW.

But on childcare, I think this is, I think this is a red line.

And I applaud him for standing up.

And I think he's calling the bluff.

of people like, and by the way, I was listening to you guys yesterday.

I said the same thing on my show, because when I was in the legislature and Chris Topanga.

Was just a little a snot-known freshman in the assembly all the Republicans called him capinga.

It was it was capinga and queen up It was a joke and now it turns out no our own Dan Schaefer.

Of course.

He's right.

It's capenga

Thank you.

Yeah,

and you know what I called his office yesterday I said can you please say your boss's name and she was very nice and she goes It's cap and just think of cap and gown.

I said that's great.

I appreciate that

They were, by the way, captain of staff, very, very nice people.

And you can find them by going to myvote.wi.gov if you want to talk to them.

Because

it works.

Making calls works.

Take advantage of it.

Myvote.wi.gov.

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We talked a little bit yesterday, Todd, about...

Can I interrupt one second, please?

Yeah.

One second.

Sure.

Because here you just read all that intro and it's just so smooth.

I think I said this to Jane off there, but it's time I tell her on the air.

What about my longest time friends from all the way back from college at UW Richland, Troy Eberson, who is now the head of the Burlington High School or School District Science Department?

And we were talking a few months back about the network and everything.

And I said, you know, one of the cool things is I get to work with Jane McNair.

He goes, you know, I loved her, right?

And he goes, I have been listening to Jane McNair for years and her voice just melts me.

And he was dead serious.

And

she's like, she is my favorite personal radio.

So I think, you know, you know, so to Troy there, I've sent it to Jane and passed on yours.

And I just listen, I'm like, you know, he's 100% right.

Oh, that's so nice of you, Todd.

Thank you so much.

And thank you, Troy.

I adore you.

By the way, I started in radio when I was seven.

I was going to say, I was an early starter.

You know, I got an early jump on my career.

So yeah, I was in grade school when I started.

Meanwhile, on on on a text we got once I was referred to as quote buffoon clown box.

So take that, Jane.

WBA, are you listening?

Well, now I got something to shoot for.

You know, I'm sorry to take it over the show, but I just thought just like I got to get

started.

The blushing is real on this side, by the way.

Did you

Two can't take compliments to save your lives.

We are

from Wisconsin.

No one knows how to take a compliment.

It's

just a statewide thing.

We wanted to talk just a little bit about Chris Camping yesterday and talking about increased security at the state capitol.

You worked in the capitol for many, many years.

I don't think this is a bad idea.

I'm

surprised it doesn't have this level of security already.

Already, yeah.

Well, see, now we're going to disagree a little bit.

I had, I had, uh, State Secretary Kelvin Weissar show yesterday.

And I thought, I thought we were going to disagree because we didn't, we, I blocked the issue during the break and I said, we might do that.

Okay.

And it turns out we really did.

So yeah, I mean, I, if I add up, I total years of the capitol somewhere around 14, 15 years over the course of 28 years, whatever.

Um, I just don't, I, I, I, for those that didn't hear up front this weekend, Chris Capitol was interviewed and he said, A.

that he packs heat in the Capitol on the floor when he was president at the, up on the, up on the chair and other senators do as well.

Number two, he doesn't think anybody else should be packing heat at the Capitol.

Three, right.

Well, no, no, I mean, legislative, not, not the general public.

And three, he thinks that there should be basically metal detectors at the entrances and, and tightened down security.

I don't.

I mean, I worked there.

And one of the great gifts, and I don't want to speak for Senator Royce, but I think she agreed with me on this point.

One of the great gifts is our state capitol, anybody can walk into it during business hours.

You have thousands of fourth graders every year making the trip.

Do you really want all those kids standing out in the heat

during the

summer and to go through those metal detector lines?

And number two, or finally,

It says to me that Senator Capunga and they and Wangar and others don't actually have the faith in the Capitol Police that they say that they do.

Because the men and women of the Capitol Police Corps are there and keep people safe.

And without going into details as soon as to breach anything, I'll simply say there are security measures at the Capitol that the general public is not aware of.

And those are in the offices throughout the building.

And if someone feels unsafe, I'll simply say help would be there

in pretty

quick.

Well, and that was the thing too is like the, the, the metal detector discussion, I guess I, you know, we talked about it and, and, and that's one, what's one thing to always discuss as far as safety and security.

But the other thing too was just the notion that he carries a gun with him and he should be able to carry a gun and no one else should be able to because somehow he will be the hero of this story.

If something happens and I don't know, to me, that's why they employ.

trained officers to be in that building to protect everyone, not just the elected officials, everyone who's in

there.

Well, and that was kind of my takeaway from it was we as lawmakers need to be safe.

The rest of you, you're on your own.

Good luck out there in the world.

But we as lawmakers need special protections.

The rest of you, not so much.

Yeah, I mean, I could say in all my years at the Capitol or two times, I felt quote unquote unsafe.

One was my boss got a direct death threat.

delivered to our door, slid under the door.

That was a little unnerving.

We took the day off that day.

And number two, and I want to be really careful when I saw it doesn't get misquoted or misunderstood.

During the protests, there were 100,000 people at the Capitol.

Eight, they were basically peaceful protests.

There was no major damage done to the building.

I know that for a fact.

But there was a point where you could not get through the hallways because it was so packed and people were

on each other's shoulders outside the Senate chamber and kind of pushing against the cast iron gate.

And that got scary.

But did anybody get hurt?

No.

But yeah, it got scary.

Did I ever feel like somebody was going to take a gun?

No, I just did.

And think about it.

I don't want to go down this road, but.

There are a lot of state offices that don't have security.

So is this going to become a state fortress?

I don't want to go there.

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Wanted to spend a little time on this and I'm very curious how folks feel.

Yeah.

This is from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Hannah Kirby with the byline Wisconsin's richest person Diane Hendricks and her daughter are betting in Beloit in a new A&E home renovation TV show.

If there's anyone here listening to us in Beloit or the Beloit area, I'd love to hear from you.

If you've already heard about this, we'll talk about it.

We're going to talk about it, but I just want to get their opinion especially because I have opinions on these shows.

So.

like, uh, extreme makeover home edition.

Yeah.

That was huge on ABC.

Yes.

And there were huge problems with that show as well.

But this is something of the same idea in the vein of the house flipping, uh, re revamp

rehab, rehab, home rehab things.

Yeah.

That's one of the ways she, she made a lot of money doing this back in the day.

Diane Hendricks.

This is in her wheelhouse.

Oh, yeah, for sure.

Absolutely.

In 2017, Diane Hendricks had gone to great lengths to help Beloit turn a corner.

She has invested a lot of money in that city.

She has.

She and her husband several decades ago went from flipping homes to transforming a heavy manufacturing complex into what is now the massive Ironworks campus.

So again, she's trying to help revitalize Beloit, which

since probably the 80s has seen the same kind of jobs leaving and folks leaving and running into problems.

But as you had mentioned with some of these home rehab shows, and they're so big right now, I am obsessed with them, but they can really alter the real estate values in these neighborhoods.

So on the one hand it's

Good.

On the other hand, are you pricing locals out then of this market?

And I think that second question is a vehement yes.

I mean, you take a house that maybe could be sold for $100,000, $150,000.

These are blighted homes too.

I will include the trailer to the show that gives you an idea of what they're working with.

They're not just going into a house that looks OK and making it look spectacular.

demolishing or real dilapidated homes.

Yeah.

And that's, no, it's not fine, honestly, because what they're doing is, is they're going in with purpose to make it a house that may be worth a hundred grand, if not less to a house that's probably going to be sold for anywhere between three to $400,000.

And it's going to be, it's going to, it's going to up the property value, which

for them, but it also ups the property taxes for the people around them.

And will someone just a regular folks in Beloit be able to afford those homes?

If not, people who want to buy a really high fashion home aren't moving to Beloit.

It's a conundrum.

It is.

I mean, on the one hand, do you just let these properties fall down?

That doesn't seem to be a good idea either.

This is just me.

I mean,

I'm not worth billions of dollars.

I'm sorry, America.

I'm not good enough because I'm not worth billions.

But there are ways of doing projects of rehabbing homes and helping out communities that, one, aren't on TV.

This is all for show.

You watch, it's another reality show where people are squabbling and complaining, and they're all rich, so I don't care about their lives, honestly, because their lives are perfect.

But these folks, like, you really want to help, you really want to help, then...

build homes or rehab homes and get them into the hands of those who need some help.

What, like a habitat for humanity?

A

habitat for humanity.

Get a first time home buyers program going.

I mean, if you look at, if you read the story, which will be in the show notes.

you will see the, the vast amount of companies that Diane Hendricks and her family are a part of.

And I feel like somewhere in there can be a program where you can say, Hey, are you a first time home buyer?

We want to help you get into a home and we're going to do these programs.

You will still be on the hook to pay for them.

You'll still be on the hook, but let's make it a little bit easier.

Not just say, Oh, this house is about to fall over.

Let's turn it into a half a million dollar McMansion and let's see who will buy it.

There is a trailer up on YouTube, as you had mentioned, and we will include that in our show notes.

If you want to check it out afterwards, civicmedia.us.

Click on shows, go to Matt Nair on air, and there's an archive of at least 100 shows.

But on the YouTube channel where this promo aired, a bunch of different comments coming in, sampling again in this Milwaukee Journal Sentinel article.

Thank you, Diane, for investing in these homes that otherwise would be collapsed and condemned.

It would be wonderful if these homes draw a few people

who would otherwise have lived in Jamesville or Roscoe, people who will pay property taxes, buy things downtown and contribute it to our community.

Shaking my head in a different comment, this is exactly why people actually from Beloit can't afford to live here because they're trying to glamorize this like it's Hollywood.

Those of us that were born and raised in Beloit want this to stop.

We need affordable housing.

Yeah.

affordable housing.

And that's a great, that's a great program.

That's a great thing to be a part of.

Also, you know, it's, it's the notion that, you know, getting people from Jamesville or other, or Afton where Diahendrix actually lives, she doesn't live in Beloit.

And I can't imagine that the community on the whole is really going to enjoy this because extreme home makeover is a great example of neighborhoods, HOAs, municipalities seeing

Massive changes in property taxes massive changes in property value and it's nothing wrong with your property going up in value But when the families that you build the homes for have to sell them five years down the road because they can't they

can't

They didn't ask for a jungle gym to be put in the kids bedroom.

They just wanted a home that would suit them This is a vanity project.

This is to get their name out there This is that put a nice face on the fact that Diane Hendricks has tried for and succeeded in crushing unions in

In Wisconsin, she puts on a nice face.

It's wonderful.

She spoke at the RNC.

She's just a regular business lady who's worth $21 billion.

This is a vanity

project.

7524842.

Diane Hendrick's daughter is the one who's going to be spearheading this.

She apparently married a plumber, so they're going to be featured very, very frequently.

It seems like

they're the stars.

Yeah, they're the stars.

And in the trailer, there's already tension that they build between Kanya, that's her name, Kanya, and her mother.

And I have a feeling that I just, I would like to know if this is just me being snarky because I'm snarky.

Livestream knows that I'm snarky.

I would like to know if Kanye married a plumber or she married a guy who owned a multi-million dollar

plumbing company

exactly like, you know It It's nothing new we see this all the time and and and billionaires trying to make themselves of the people more approachable

There's other ways of doing it.

There's ways of there's ways of giving away your money and helping people without the camera on you.

Again, Diane Hendricks has invested a lot in Beloit.

She has.

She she helped rehab this building that was kind of a hub for new businesses and stuff like that.

So I mean, I do want to give her props where they're due because she has invested money in that community.

But again, whether or not this is the best way to do that.

is a good question.

Todd from Depeer, listening on WGBW and Green Bay says they should do a Where Are They Now segment for the Extreme Makeover Home Edition.

They have.

It's on YouTube.

I've watched.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

You see, these are families who are, you know, have moved out of the house, have sold the house, have to get second jobs.

It's not the great thing.

And that's one of the reasons why, you know, kind of extreme homemaker for had to tone down what they were doing.

They got into the business of just

remodeling homes because in the first few seasons, it was, it was helping out folks who needed help.

Well, no, yes, it was the, no, it was about, it was about television.

They were, they were building like these fantastical homes with all these ridiculous features.

Like they put a hot tub in someone's bedroom.

Do you know how much it takes to upkeep a hot tub?

A hot tub they didn't ask for, but like it's just that there are cause and effects on these shows and it's about good television.

You want, you said yourself, you watch these shows.

You wouldn't watch a show if it was just a guy going, I'm just going to redo this bathroom right

now.

Well, but maybe I'm a little bit different because when I watch Homer modeling shows, I watch the very beginning where they talk about the property and what they're going to do.

Yeah.

And then I skip through all of the work and I go to the very end where they do the reveal.

Okay.

So you just watch a recap because.

I don't care about the fighting that the couple does.

I don't.

And honestly, I would love to watch a show saying, hey, for this month on this show, or this whole season, we're going to be redoing this home.

And in this show, we'll show you tips.

We'll show you how to

call your bathroom.

On how to.

On how to text.

But

that's not good television.

And also, I know you want to give Diane Hendricks credit for helping out the city.

I want to give her credit for also giving hundreds of millions of dollars to politicians who want to crush unions, crush freedoms, and just basically.

make it an oligarchy type country.

And I know the livestream hates that comment.

But she's no

Elon.

She's no Elon, but she's getting there, baby.

Betting on Beloit.

Let's see how long it's on the air.

That will be interesting.

I don't know how many episodes they have, they have done.

Because again, they're obviously in the can already or we wouldn't be talking about the premiere coming up in July.

So it remains to be seen how many episodes of betting on Beloit will air.

I just check it out.

There are just so many shows though too of that of that type like opinions aside There are so many shows about home repair and home remodeling and selling and you know There's isn't that there's one about where they remodeled the home completely and the owner say will either keep it or list it Oh, love it or listed.

There

it

is.

I

watch that

one No,

you

watch

you watch the first act of the third act and then I watch the end.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah, I don't like that

I don't like the, the fake back and forth between the rehabbers and there's always, it's so formulaic at some point during the home rehab, it's like, oh, here's a problem we didn't foresee.

Oh, it's, there's no floor.

Oh,

no.

They're never going to get the house done in time.

Yeah, exactly.

But

then at the last second chain, the house is done in time.

It's amazing.

The best is when the reveal happens and one of the two owners is like, Oh.

That's what you did.

This is a great color choice.

I didn't want.

All right.

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Did want to share this with you because, certainly for people who live in Milwaukee, county in the Milwaukee area, this is going to be a pain in the neck.

The parent company of Pick and Save is closing a whole bunch of stores around the country, and now they have announced that they will be shutting down five stores in the Milwaukee area.

The one on Silver Spring in Glendale, one on South 27th, North 35th in Milwaukee, the one on Chicago Avenue in South Milwaukee, and the one on Ryan Road in Oak Creek.

The closure is part of a restructuring effort by Kroger, the who owns Pick and Save and Metro Market.

Kroger says it will close 60 of its stores across the country over the next 18 months.

That's, I mean, I'm of two minds with this.

One is that depending on where those stores are, they only lend to food deserts for people.

because there are just some folks out there who don't have access to fresh fruits

and vegetables

and groceries.

They have to go to the corn store to get what they think is a meal.

And a lot of times that's soda and snacks.

But also since especially the pandemic, not only the ways of shopping that are available,

there's a lot more online options.

But there's a lot more options too.

I mean, you can buy your groceries at Amazon, Walmart, Target, pick and save, Alley, festival.

I mean, I mean, I'm sure some of these I would, I would mention our, our Kroger Brent Kroger owns, I think at least 20 stores across the country, store names.

So like part of me, part of me is sad because people are going to lose their jobs.

And, and, and people are not going to have as much maybe access to groceries as before, but also that this, I mean,