Wisconsin Doesn’t Like Cheats (Hour 2)

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dispute between the Trump administration and even the Supreme Court.

Yeah.

As far as Mr. Abrego Garcia is concerned, the man who was erroneously deported to El Salvador.

Yes.

So that's coming up with Jen Santel, a number of other things we're going to talk about with him.

In our number two state, Representative Lee Snodgrass will be here to talk about a new measure that she is supporting.

We'll have a little weather and wine with Brittany Merleau.

It is really beautiful out right now in Racine.

Give it time.

I know.

It'll change.

It's Wisconsin.

It's whiplash weather.

So we'll have Brittany here next hour.

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Paul Noonan will be here.

Of course, the NFL draft getting underway today in Green Bay.

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So

that's I'm sorry, British.

It's an umbrella.

Get yourself a brally.

Get a brally.

A bumbershoot, actually.

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A bumbershoot if we were really gonna be English.

But yeah, if you're gonna be going up to Green Bay for the draft today, just keep an umbrella and maybe a rain slicker or, I don't know.

Some wellies.

Some wellies.

A garbage bag always works.

Yeah.

In a pinch.

Yeah.

But it's probably gonna, we've got rain coming in, so be aware of that.

And then we will wrap up the show as we always do.

With this shouldn't be a thing.

Today it's the Rock the Boat Edition.

Yeah.

Part, part four.

I think so.

Yeah.

Three or four.

We are great journalists.

Yes, we were right on documenting everything that we do.

So that is all on the way.

I did want to start off with this just because I shouldn't be surprised.

And yet I am.

Yeah.

This goes back to help for me, but not for the Tom Cotton, Senator from Arkansas.

Headline says, reconsider, Tom Cotton begs Trump for disaster relief after opposing it for democratic states.

No.

What?

Senator Tom Cotton pleading with President Trump to reconsider his denial of disaster relief after a series of tornadoes hit Arkansas.

Tom Cotton, who has opposed similar aid for blue states.

Yes, numerous times.

Oh, yeah.

joined an Arkansas delegation in writing to Trump directly to support Governor Sarah Huckabee Sanders' request for money to help them out.

They were denied.

But now they're not going to let this go yet.

They're going to follow this up.

And I'm pretty sure that eventually Trump will cave and he'll give them the money.

Well, as long as they give him something, whether it's uncopious amounts of praise or money.

copious amounts of cash.

That works too.

On Friday, Sarah Huckabee Sanders appealed the federal government's denial for aid in Arkansas, telling Trump that her state is in dire need of federal assistance.

Unfortunately, the government says based on our review of information available, it's been determined the damage from this event was not of such severity and magnitude as to be beyond the capabilities of the state.

affected local governments and voluntary agencies.

Before Trump was elected the second time, we talked about Project 2025, which includes not only getting rid of NOAA, but essentially getting rid of FEMA, the Federal Emergency Disaster Group, which gives communities help after major disasters like tornadoes and floods and fires and all of these things.

And Donald Trump, I believe, himself had said,

they should be able to take care of it themselves.

States should be able to just do the thing, you know, I'm sorry, but don't look to us, the federal government, to give you a handout.

That's just another reason why he does not understand how government actually works.

All of these states pay into a coffer, and that coffer is used for various national distribution of monies.

And one of those things is disaster aid and

when it was the California wildfires, we'll give you aid, but we have a few demands first.

In exchange, we'll give you the money, but... But he's just straight up saying no to our... Well, I shouldn't say he's saying, his administration is saying no, but...

It's kind of comforting Jane that at least he's staying consistent on his lack of wanting to help any Americans in times of need as of today as of today I mean, I'm sure they'll come back with some gold coins or a good compliment Maybe I'll just tell them to buy some of his crypto coins Maybe they'll offer to build him a golf course in Arkansas for free and put if you put his name on it Jesus name his face is on every flag of every hole

then he might give you some disaster money Yes, Senator Tom Cotton from Arkansas now saying please

Mr. President, I know you deny aid to everybody else, but we really deserve the help.

Yeah,

I know I said no to everybody else.

I think his quote was Arkansas shouldn't have to pay for help to the Northeast.

Yes, exactly when after Hurricane Sandy.

Yeah.

Oh, Hurricane Sandy, you know, that little that little that little windstorm.

He didn't think that Arkansas needed to bail out the Northeast.

Why is it?

Why is it our responsibility to help other Americans?

Do you know, I know that when Jesus is walking the planes and landscapes of Galilee and Jerusalem, he always when someone asked to heal him, he's like, why is that my problem?

Go back to your town.

How

is your blindness my problem?

According to the Arkansas Times, Governor Sarah Huckby Sanders specifically requested help in the form of small business loans and individual assistance for people in green hot springs, independence,

and a number of other counties in Arkansas.

But the Trump administration so far has declined to declare it a disaster.

The administration has already begun making major cuts at FEMA.

Again, they say that these fatal storms, a number of people were killed in these tornadoes in Arkansas, were not so severe as to be beyond the capabilities of the state.

So handle it yourself, guys.

You're on your own.

Handle it yourself.

I mean, if you look at a breakdown, I saw a graph that showed the amount of

aid that's needed.

It's always in red states, far more than blue states.

And now these red states, and it's not, I don't think it's because they're red states at all.

It's just because, geographically, these things happen in those areas.

That's why not because of who they vote for, but we're going to see a lot more of this problem.

We're going to see more, you're Louisiana and you're Alabama and you're Mississippi saying, Hey, we had a flood.

We had a fire.

We had a hurricane.

We need help.

No, you should be able to do it yourself.

No,

they can't.

Western North Carolina is still struggling.

Yes.

Yes.

And the Biden administration got all kinds of criticism that there wasn't enough help going to Western North Carolina after they had that incredible flooding that blasted that whole area.

And they're still trying to recover from that.

And now, again, we have the Trump administration saying, yeah, well...

Better figure it out

for yourself.

Well, it's the same president who went down to Puerto Rico and threw towels at people.

So I'm why am I even shocked at his callous nature of now you're fine Bootstraps pick yourself up.

Come on.

Be a man American way.

Yeah, Liz from Sockville listening on WA UK sending my thoughts and prayers to Arkansas Absolutely, I feel terribly for those people.

Yes, and my little we're being a little flippant about it, but

This is where we are I and you know what I'm being flippant towards the hypocrisy of one Tom Cotton but My heart goes out to Sarah Huckabee Sanders and her state

and her constituents

need help and that's the money we pay into with our taxes I'd rather give money to other states to help with that than give it for tanks and war and things of that nature But we can't tell them what to spend the money on but help them

This

isn't the first time FEMA, this is from ABC News, has denied state requests recently.

Earlier this month, Democratic Governor Bob Ferguson of Washington said FEMA denied his state's application for relief after a bomb cyclone hit his state last November.

He said in a statement, this is yet another troubling example of the federal government withholding funding.

Washington communities have been waiting for months for the resources they need to recover from last winter's devastating storms.

and this decision will only cause further delay, we will appeal.

FEMA also denying a request from North Carolina's Democratic Governor, Josh Stein, to extend 100% federal funding for debris removal related to last fall's devastating Hurricane Helene.

And they just got

crushed.

The words out folks if you if you you live in a county live in a state that's hit by natural disaster something terrible happens to you a Whole lot of thoughts and prayers from you sent your way by the federal government.

They're coming a little envelope They really no money because they don't want they don't want to help you and I cannot figure out why honestly like what does FEMA like fine Noah pushes the climate agenda or whatever The the Department of Education indoctrinates your kids

Another another discussion, but what does FEMA do to push the liberal communist feminist Arriving in caravans agenda here.

That's what I'd like to know.

Why are they so dangerously

woke?

Just take it from the president himself In January he visited parts of North Carolina that were crushed by Hurricane Eileen Quote says Donald Trump you want to use your state to fix it and not waste time calling FEMA

And then FEMA gets here and they don't know the area.

They've never been to the area.

They want to give you rules that you've never heard about.

They want to bring people that aren't as good as the people you already have.

And FEMA has turned out to be a disaster, unquote.

I'm not saying FEMA is perfect.

Nothing in the government's perfect.

By any stretch of the imagination, but disbanding FEMA and then throwing it on the states and saying, it's all on you, does not seem like a good solution.

I'm sure there can be fixes made to any organization within the government, but FEMA is good enough to know that when they get into an area, they're going to coordinate with local leaders and doctors and politicians and whomever to who know the land.

And there's people who probably I'm just going to take a shot shot here in the dark chain.

Do you think that the FEMA has employees in all the states or at least in the region who know the areas?

Or at least they have some subsidiaries.

Exactly.

Or at least they're in contact with the local meteorologists.

Yeah,

it's not like they're sitting in Washington going, where's North Carolina?

Like, he's paying them to be stupid.

And they're not.

They know what they're doing.

These are experts.

And once again, these are people who work for FEMA who want to be of service.

Yes.

Brian from Milwaukee texting in, this is America.

United we stand, divided we fall, we need to help each other out.

I would agree with you.

Oh, absolutely.

Yep.

And, um... Help for me.

But none for... And, yep.

Another one of those... But we voted for you.

And I'm not, by the way, not talking about the people.

I don't want the people... That's not what I'm just... I'm talking about the politicians.

The ones who put him in his place.

People like Tom Cotton, Sarah Huckabee Sanders.

We voted for you.

We thought you'd help us.

I mean, fine, the Liberals don't worry about them.

But forget

the police.

But what about

us?

Well, now, here we are.

We'll see what happens with this.

I still think he'll cave.

Oh,

absolutely.

And give them money.

But, well, I don't know.

Maybe not.

And then it's going to be the Art of the Deal, Jane.

Oh, that's what it is.

When we return Real ID, it's coming.

Yes.

May 7th, my friends.

We're going to talk about getting a Real ID, why you need it.

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Wanted to talk about this because I went yesterday to get my real ID.

Was it a real good time?

Well, first of all, I want to say.

Can we give people at the DMV a break?

Yes.

Everyone was so nice.

They genuinely, I'm not making this up.

The two people who are the first faces that you see when you come in, the one man took his lunch break before I got up to the counter.

He was the nicest human being I think I've ever seen.

He was so smiley and pleasant and nice and they were just terrific.

Let's back off on our DMV people, please.

They always get such a bad rap that it's the most terrible experience on the planet and I just didn't find it to be that way.

But I was surprised because I have a passport.

Yes, you do.

And I have global entry.

And global entry requires that we actually met with the FBI and had a little sit down with them and they took our fingerprints.

So they have my fingerprints.

They have all those things.

So I showed up yesterday with my trusty passport and my driver's license.

That wasn't enough.

I needed one other thing with my name and address on it.

Interesting.

That's

what was required.

Because my experience was and we've talked about this before because you went years ago to try to get it and it was.

It was such a pain.

It was a pain and

it was

more strict because they wanted a social security card with a perforated edge on it, which.

makes no sense.

Because nowadays they're not even printing them like that, I'm sure.

I'm sure they're not.

But when I went, just to be clear, I went to the website, which by the way, I will have, we'll have the story we're talking about and we will have the Q and A page from the Wisconsin, from the DOT Wisconsin, telling what you need to do.

Cause you only have 10 business days, including today.

This starts May 7th.

May 7th.

You have 10 days from today to get this ID or else.

You can't fly on planes.

Well, you know, you can't fly and you can't go on federal

unless

you have a passport, unless you have a passport.

So, um, but when I went, I brought my passport, I brought my social security card and I brought, brought my birth certificate and my current, my then current driver's license.

And I was just waiting for the, just to spill out, take it all.

Sure.

And when I got up there, I believe if I'm, if memory serves correctly,

She just pulled my birth certificate.

And that was all she used.

That's

all she asked for, required.

She did it, blah, blah, blah.

Here you go.

Here's your piece of paper.

You'll get your new one in 10 days.

That was it.

And that was like, that seems, maybe they've, I don't want to say loosened the requirements, but they've made it an easier, smoother process.

Cause this has been in place for a

long time.

This has been underway for almost two years.

And

they kept pushing it back.

It's been, it was supposed to be required as of 2020.

And then the pandemic, but they've been talking about the real ID since 2005.

I

would highly encourage you to get one.

Yes.

Again, if you fly domestically, you're not going to be able to fly.

If you do not have a real ID and what makes it a real ID is this little star in the upper right hand corner, you can still travel with a passport.

But if you don't have a passport, even to get into a federal building.

you will need a real ID.

And

it is May 10th, that is 10 business.

May 7th.

I'm sorry, May 7th, 10 business days from today.

I mean, we're gonna see probably stories on May 7th and May 8th.

Oh,

absolutely.

Just livid people at the airport.

Absolutely.

We're

gonna say this, I didn't know.

In the FAQ section on its website, Department of Homeland Security says travelers,

With a real ID compliant license or acceptable alternative starting May 7th, will not be permitted through the security checkpoint.

If you do not have a real ID compliant license or acceptable alternative, they're not going to let you through security.

Nope.

And that's it.

So spread the word seriously.

Please, please, for your own convenience at least.

I don't want anybody who wants to go on vacation next month to Florida or wherever and you get to the airport and you're all packed up and ready to go and you don't have the real ID or you don't have a passport and you're not going to be able to go.

So make sure you check out the show notes.

After the show is go over, go to civicmedia.us, click on shows, go to Matt Nair on air and then everything will be in the show notes for today.

Yeah, it'll be under hour one.

and it will take you directly to the Wisconsin Department of Transportation, and it'll have an FAQ page.

There's a whole bunch of other things you can actually have, but they're very specific to certain people, like there's tribal IDs, military IDs, but just get the real ID, be done with

it.

Go get it.

Go get it done.

And please be nice to the people at the DMV.

They really get a bad rep.

Jim Santel, our friend and colleague and host of Amicus, a law review will be with us on the other side of the news.

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Good morning, Jim.

How you doing?

All of those attorney things

all the

time, right?

The country is just swarming with us.

Great to be with you.

Once again, Jane, Greg and Calvin.

We have so much to cover.

I'm not even sure where to start, Jim, but I guess we'll start here.

This headline from Ross Story.

A Brego Garcia's family flees to safe house after being doxxed.

by the Trump administration.

So Abrego Garcia is the man who was living in Maryland legally, living in Maryland.

The administration has admitted they made an administrative error and mistakenly sent him to this gulag in El Salvador.

And now they're saying, yeah, we can't get him back.

I don't know.

Even the El

Salvadorian president was like, I can't do

that.

Nobody can do that.

And apparently the Trump administration took it upon themselves to publish a document that included his wife and their children's address.

And now they have had to move.

We look in vain for adjectives that describe this kind of behavior, right?

Shocking, stunning, offensive, abusive, and yet none of them comes up to the level to describe what this is.

All of what you just described, Greg and Jane, is accurate, which is, again, not only have they publicly, they meaning the government, the White House, this President, this Attorney General have admitted that this was an error, right?

We made a mistake.

And not only publicly, but also in court.

The Solicitor General of the United States of America told the United States Supreme Court that this attorney who appeared in front of Judge Zinnis in Maryland said, yes,

Let me correct this.

And that's the second point, right?

Government does make mistakes.

You know, well, I work for the government for 30 years.

Is it perfect?

Absolutely not.

We like to think that most often we get it right or within the category generally, right?

The errors are made,

right?

Sure.

Any time you're appearing as an assistant US attorney in front of a federal judge, and there is an error, what is the answer?

The answer is your honor.

I acknowledge that my agency, my client made a mistake.

Let me fix this and let me fix this as soon as possible.

Didn't happen to me a lot, but literally running down the hallway and saying, get the client on the phone.

We need to remedy this.

This should have been taken care of a month ago when they first acknowledged as they continue to do.

All but Stephen Miller, who amazingly has said, no, maybe this wasn't a mistake.

Wrong, Stephen.

Once again, should have been taken care of.

And now, now to add injury to all of this.

including, including Jane, as you just said, this notion that, eh, there's nothing we can do.

He's out of our jurisdiction.

An absurd proposition, not only legally, but also morally, humanely.

You caused this and you're not now going to remedy it.

You're the government of the United States of America.

Now we're heaping on top of this, this not just headline story, but this cataclysmic event for the family that has to move, why?

because the Trump administration has decided, apparently, to be affirmatively aggressive when it comes to pushing back on Mr. Ubrego Garcia and his family.

That's underscore notion once again, as you always do, that the family, they are citizens of the United States of America, shouldn't make any difference, doesn't make any difference for constitutional protections.

But to those out there, I suspect your listeners all get this completely.

To those out there would say well gosh, you know, mr. Briegel Garcia is not a citizen It doesn't matter.

He gets the protections of our Constitution.

It's

always been our tradition and again fellow citizens now being pursued by this administration and It is a government that has gone wildly awry and that again an understatement of colossal proportion

This is a question, it came into my head and I don't know if there's a legal answer, but with court orders, a Supreme Court decision, and everyone on the side of the law saying his rights were violated and he should be coming home, why was Senator Van Hollen not, when he met Mr. Garcia, why was he not allowed to say, all right, well, he is coming with me, I'm bringing him back to the United States because I have all of this decision, I have all these decisions that say he's within his rights, he's coming with me and there's nothing you can do about it.

Greg, I have to tell you, as a practical matter, this kind of harkened back not exactly to some situations I had when I was in Iraq.

I was a civilian there.

Again, this is many, many years ago during the war.

But we had these same kinds of situations where we had detainees plainly in prison camps and prisons.

And the question was, and sometimes we did, we said, you know what, we just discovered

20 people, we don't know why they're there and we worked right away.

Yes with the army, with General Petraeus, with others to get them out.

These are Iraqi citizens.

You do exactly what you just described.

Here my guess about the senator is, and my point was going to be and still is, if you're the senator and you are shaking hands with this individual, aren't you hugely tempted putting aside all of the niceties of diplomacy to say,

come with me, get on this plane together.

What are the El Salvadorian governments going to do?

Are they going to apprehend the United States Senator?

Again, my guess is he probably did not have those opportunities.

Security is probably that strong.

But absolutely, it had to cross their mind.

Let us now return this man.

We've got an opportunity to do it.

Let's do it.

The government with a capital G, meaning the executive branch, does not do and

Again, we don't know the exact trappings of what was real and what wasn't, but I had the same response, which was, and maybe he did make that request and for reasons that go well beyond my capacity to understand it wasn't honored.

But you had that opportunity there to bring him home and bring this to resolution finally, long overdue.

Now he may have been transferred to another prison.

We don't know.

We believe he's still alive.

This needs to come to an end.

Every American, regardless of what side of the political aisle you're on, needs to look at this and say, my country, that only needs to do better.

It needs to remedy immediately.

Well, it's beyond that already.

But immediately now, the mistake that is made, we are the United States of America.

We don't do these kinds of things.

And when we make errors once again, we correct them, we do it promptly.

My president needs to get his head around those fundamental concepts.

If you're just joining us, Jim Santel is our guest.

He's a former U. S attorney and also the host of amicus a law review Saturday mornings from 9 to 11 across the network.

I highly, highly encourage you to listen.

I want to back up just to a couple of things.

Jim, you had mentioned the government attorney arguing before a court about this case.

He essentially they were they removed him.

Yes,

because he admitted he admitted that they made a mistake and that was enough for the Trump administration to remove him

Right, and I will tell you if you look at the brief exchange between Judge Sinis and this attorney That's the kind of thing you expect a government representative to do and with with due humility I will say I'd like to think that's how I behaved when I was in federal court What you say to the judge is judge as he did I don't know I'm caught sometimes you admit the embarrassing things

I tried to get this information from my client that in itself is stunning.

Seriously.

They're

not giving it to me.

And the judge then looks at him says, well, I recognize you're in a tough spot.

We need to get to the bottom of this.

But he acknowledges, Jane, as you just said, that this was an error.

There's no doubt about that legally and procedurally.

And what happens is your deputy attorney general, his name is Todd Blanche, he's responsible for operating the

Department of Justice on a day-to-day basis.

You may recall Mr. Blanche sat next to Donald Trump in that Manhattan courtroom for a number of weeks

when

he was ultimately convicted.

He was his former attorney there.

He's now second in command.

Mr. Blanche turned around, who was also an alumni for what it's worth of Department of Justice, turned around and placed an attorney on administrative leave.

And Pam Bondi, the attorney general, then gets on the media as she does routinely and says, well,

He was not providing appropriate representation for an agency of the government.

And for that reason, we should all be outraged about his conduct.

That is the attorney's conduct.

No Pam, no attorney general.

You've got it just wrong.

As does the deputy attorney general.

Again, adjectives fail me.

Well, and one more point I want to make.

And again, before everybody starts freaking out, and you're on the side of MS13 gang members, know, my friends, it's about due process.

And it is written that every person, not citizen in the United States, correct Jim?

Every person in the United States is entitled to due process.

So if they bring- Anybody

has any questions?

Exactly.

Anybody has a question about that?

go online and pull up Antonin Scalia, type in again, citizenship, you will see him saying both publicly and privately in other settings that yes, indeed, that's the fundamental notion.

He's sitting next to a woman named Ruth Bader Ginsburg who

also

affirms this, right?

And so that is so far beyond dispute now.

Secondarily, again, as you just indicated, the process here is everything.

As the Fourth Circuit recently said with respect to the other deportees, they may well be, maybe they're part of this trend or a raga gang.

And they say, perhaps so, perhaps not.

And Shane, that's the point.

We don't know.

We don't know.

Get him into a court if it turns out that indeed he is affiliated and he's a violent person.

Let's figure that out.

but do process every single American, every single person who is here gets nothing less than that.

He should be afforded that as well.

And the other point that I want to make, the whole government, the whole Trump administration thing is, yep, there's nothing we can do about it.

We can't bring them back.

That's not our authority.

They managed to get Andrew Tate and his scummy brother out of Romania, where they were being held on sex trafficking charges.

This is the administration that claims to be so concerned about sex trafficking and the abuse of children.

They got those two guys out of Romania.

No problem.

don't tell me that you can't do something to intervene in this situation.

That is of your own making.

Absolutely.

That's the key point, right?

You caused this.

You put this in motion.

Now you need to fix it.

That too.

That too is what government should do, right?

Good government protecting us and keeping us safe and secure.

Secondarily, we all saw once again the recent visit of the El Salvadoran president in the Oval Office sitting there.

all that needs to happen.

The Secretary of State is right there.

The Attorney General is right there.

You turned him, maybe not on camera, and you say, you know what?

We're sending a C-130 down to your country.

I'm sure they'll get air flight coverage in, and we'd like to have Mr. Abrigo Garcia back by virtue of our diplomatic relations, by virtue of the fact that we're paying you money, right?

Now to house these people, we would like that done right away, and Mr. Secretary of Defense makes certain that C-130 wheels up.

and bring him back.

That needed to be done.

It's not simple.

I don't mean it can be done literally overnight, but pretty down close, pretty down close.

And with a directive from the president and others, that should have happened.

Well, and you also just mentioned some other thing.

We are paying El Salvador, who appropriated this money?

I thought that was Congress's responsibility to appropriate money, and now we're paying them how much?

Right, and it's got to be oversight, right?

This is where

Frankly, both parties should be looking at this and saying, again, another arguable violation.

What do we know about this?

Well, we need to find out.

Let's have a committee hearing on exactly this.

Let's talk about before the House of Ways and Means Committee, other budget authorities, and ask them those questions.

Jim Santel, we're going to continue our conversation on the other side.

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Right now we are joined by our friend and colleague and host of Amicus, a law review Saturday mornings from 9 to 11 across the Civic Media Radio Network.

Jim Santel is here.

Jim, I wanted to take our remaining time to talk a little bit about Governor Evers and some other Democrats are in hot water essentially.

for explaining to immigrants what they need to do if they are confronted by ICE.

And from what I understand, and correct me if I'm wrong, these are the legal recommendations for what people are supposed to do.

He's not making these up.

He's not telling people to do things that are illegal, right?

Right, absolutely.

And again,

in your prior segment, as I was listening in and talking about air travel these days on these issues, you look to what governments should do, even our prior discussion, right, about citizens and the rights and responsibilities we have.

What should government do?

It should, at least at a minimum, not intrude into our lives inordinately, but should help us, right?

Should help us to understand what the law is.

The governor, I would offer that every public official

has an educational responsibility to our population.

As a part of that commitment to make us good people, better people, that's what good government's all about.

And what Governor Evers here, and I know we can talk about the minutiae of this, he is number one, not providing legal representation to them, that's someone else.

He is simply stating again what the law is, what the rules and regulations are.

It happens to be, yes indeed, on this very

hot button issue right now, but you think about it in other contexts, right?

Governor and many agencies across the board, every single one of them publishes information, at least used to do it federally, now it's being stripped, but at least in the state of Wisconsin, we still have a governor who provides this with information about what the law is on everything from getting a campsite in some of our parks, right, to how our Wisconsin healthcare system works.

That's what we do.

And that's the umbrella under which this falls.

If our governor, and again, I get the political animus here, I get that.

But let's label it as just that.

And let's applaud.

Again, on any side of the political aisle, somebody who steps forward and says, this is what your expectations are.

This is what the rules are for life and living in Wisconsin.

whether it's the governor or your local alderman or your school board member about enrolling your students in the school of your choice here.

All of that, a part of what government should do.

Why are we spending all this time now and all this energy once again on this kind of crazy thing?

That was sort of, that was, I was like.

It just seems like every day in the news, we're getting these stories.

And this doesn't feel like a story.

This feels like someone's just doing their responsibility and they're doing their job.

Well, right.

And it's about, in my estimation, this is about creating outrage.

Yeah.

In order to divert attention from other things, like the next thing I want to bring up in the next couple of minutes, I have seen reports this morning, Jim, there are lawyers who are doing pro bono work for immigrants.

Pro Bono is you are doing this for free.

I have seen a couple of stories this morning, and we're not going to have a lot of time to jump into this.

But pro bono attorneys now are getting concerned because they're worried that the government is going to come after them.

Legitimate concern given what this president has done.

And again, kudos to my profession, which again, I like a good lawyer joke as best as anybody does, as you know.

But

Kudu is for these lawyers, and I will say for myself as well, that I do an awful lot of pro bono work.

I'm not patting myself on the back about that.

But what lawyers need to do in this time is exactly that kind of thing, including representing people who, again, are indigent, do not have the means to push back, at least make their case.

Again, the due process, Jane, that we talked about.

Here's the other one that I've actually been on the air talking about.

For those people who are now going to be targeted again by this administration for investigations by this president, and we know there are at least two of them already referred over there, we need to ensure that they are not financially crippled by virtue of the investigations that are undertaken.

The investigation is itself the punishment.

And frankly, I would look forward to the time when I could represent maybe one, maybe two of those people.

There are other lawyers out there who are willing to do this, and you've just identified a particular subset of those good lawyers out there representing people who would not otherwise be represented.

They're indigent.

They do not have the capacity to do it.

This is what we do.

This is what our nation does.

Good attorneys do in times of crisis.

It's like what we were talking about before at the beginning of the show regarding FEMA.

Good lawyers are in it for service.

to help the people.

They deserve to get paid.

Abraham Lincoln said, your advice is your stock and trade, but it is also about helping.

Right, absolutely.

And that's what's going on here.

There are some great programs, obviously.

I'm affiliated with some of them as are many other attorneys throughout the state of Wisconsin who do these kinds of things routinely.

Now, especially where we've got this heightened focus by our administration in Washington.

on immigrants.

Again, it's to ensure that they've got access to the courts, right?

They've got access to that due process and that there's a fundamental commitment beyond their cases to America that says, yes, we're going to give you this kind of representation.

I'm proud to be in a nation that still does that, even if my government does not support it.

Jim Santel is host of Amicus, a law review.

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Thank you so very much, Jim.

We will see you in a week.

Always a pleasure, Janie, Greg and Calvin.

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Tell us what we can expect over the next couple of days.

I was just outside.

It is so nice.

So right now,

let me guess, it's going to be rain and then sun and then rain and then sun and then locusts

with whiplash weather coming up soon.

Yes.

And then we'll talk all things sports with the Acme packing companies.

J. Paul Noonan will be joining us.

After 11.30, we'll talk about the NFL Draft, which is underway in Green Bay and much, much more.

Right now, though, very excited to welcome our next guest, Representative Lee Snodgrass from the 52nd is joining us.

Good morning, Representative.

Thanks for making time for us.

Good morning, Jane.

I'm so happy to be here.

Let's talk about a new measure aimed at tightening up on, oh, I don't know, buying people's votes.

Yeah, so I was very excited to introduce a bill with Green Bay Rep, actually the 90th Assembly Rep, Amad.

this bill essentially kind of closes a loophole that we seem to have had that we didn't think we had to worry about, which is bribing people essentially to sign petitions during an election year.

So when Elon Musk sort of changed his tune and said, oh, I'm not paying people to vote.

I'm just paying people to sign a petition.

We knew we had to do something to clarify Wisconsin law so that that can happen.

So what he did was not technically illegal.

You know, it's one of those things that skirts within the line, so to speak.

He did change his language and said that he was not paying people to vote.

But when you pay people to sign a petition that you then advertise as a way of collecting names to give away a huge check at a rally in support of a candidate, that seems kind of fishy to me.

So we knew we needed to tighten that up.

What would this measure do?

Representative Snodgrass.

Well, it would essentially it would be during a campaign time and a campaign time Defined in the bill is when somebody can take out nomination signatures until the election day itself So it would say within this campaign time you cannot

essentially incentivize somebody to sign or not sign a petition.

So you think about something like, you know, what Elon Musk did, you think about a recall petition, you think those things.

We wanted to make sure that we were keeping people's right to free speech, so that window, that campaign window,

is very important.

It also just to clarify, it says something of value that used to be in state statute is anything more than a dollar.

And then we realize, you know what, costs are going up.

Some of those signs cost more than a dollar to produce.

So we raise that to $5.

So the bottom line is, if you cannot motivate people to come out and support your candidate on issues, on effort, on...

what they say they're going to accomplish and you have to do it by motivating people with money.

There's already a problem.

Yeah.

And I feel like, you know, I think we can all agree that this last election showed handily that the people of Wisconsin aren't going to fall for something like that.

And resoundingly too, just like the last Supreme Court election, a 10 point victory says that this state wants, we want, we want fairness.

We don't want, we don't want your money.

Right.

Yeah, I mean, you know, the biggest way that to see what people are feeling is the result of the polls, right?

So we knew that this was something that people would want.

We've had a lot of great feedback from it.

Unfortunately, as with lots of things right now in Madison, it's going to be difficult to get Republican support on it.

I just saw the bill draft came into my office.

Not one Republican signed on to this, so.

This is my my my plea to them.

I know you can't stand bribery as well.

I know from talking to some of them individually that they're pretty fed up with campaign finance and we need to have some campaign finance reform.

This is a great first step that most people should be able to agree on.

Are they just so afraid of blowback that they can't that they can't put their names on this?

I can certainly speculate and I would say that the individuals who I would still consider

pretty moderate are hesitant to speak up because I do think there's still threats from the president of the United States to.

put people into situations where they're up for reelection again and they're primaried.

But at some point, I really love what Tim Walls used to say was that you don't hoard political capital or you don't build political capital to hoard it.

You build it to burn it.

And if ever there was a time you guys, I mean, the world is on fire and democracy is at risk.

Let's burn that political capital and do the right thing.

This is something we talk about in the show.

Every time we see a bill come out of Madison, that's bipartisan.

We sing the prices on the highest mountain because it shows

that the people in power can work together to move this state and its people forward.

You know, whether it's whether it's expansion of Medicaid for new moms or other things we talk about, it's a bipartisan measure.

Let's do it.

You can take it back to your people and say, look what we did for you.

Right.

Yeah, there used to be a small window last session.

I felt like I had a great working relationship with Republican rep Scott Krug.

He and I did have a lot of bipartisan bills that we worked on.

and together on that committee.

But I'm gonna be honest with you, if anything, I feel the culture has shifted towards less working together this session.

I feel like because we picked up 10 seats as the Democratic caucus, there's a lot of like, we'll show you, we're not gonna play nice in the sandbox anymore.

So while we all promised our constituents things would get better, it seems to me from personal experience that it's gotten a little worse.

Oh great, we're all five now.

That's just dandy.

Representative, one of the things that, when you were on the show last, a while ago too, one of the things you talked about, you were running, was knocking on the doors and getting out there and meeting the people and meeting all of the people, regardless of who they vote for and having what I think is important to have during any tenure in office is good conversations, even with those who disagree.

What are you hearing from the people in your district about this measure and their support?

I have to imagine there are people who probably voted for Donald Trump But like yeah, I don't I don't like this either the people I feel like have a different voice than maybe the politicians are voting for

Yeah, actually I'm really glad you asked that because as a relatively public figure when I go about my day I always run into people I know and of course they want to talk to me about my job And I was at the grocery store the other day and this gentleman stopped me and asked me

I was who I was I said yes and he's like hey you've got that bribery bill huh and I said yeah I said what do you think about it and he's like well I didn't vote for you but I like that bill so I mean it does cross over yes nobody likes dishonesty nobody likes bribery and Wisconsin showed that so I don't I don't understand what the resistance is for my republican colleagues but I'm gonna I'm gonna see if I can get some on board

If you're just joining us, Representative Lee Snodgrass is here and we're talking about a new measure aimed at showing up state laws to prevent major political donors from just handing out checks.

to people who sign election related petitions as expected, someone on the live stream.

Yeah, I'll be more about this when the Democrats start condemning George Soros.

It's always George Soros.

That poor guy, he gets laid.

I mean, man, the guy can't catch a break.

Bring out those greatest

hits, folks.

But nobody mentions the U lines.

Nobody mentions the other major, Diane Hendrickson.

Those GOP donors never come up.

It's only George Soros on the left.

And to be

fair, I'm

happy to address that.

OK,

go ahead.

Yes,

please.

I will say 100%.

I'm sick of it, too.

Let's talk about Citizens United.

We also had the same week we introduced our bill.

My colleagues in Madison were introducing a bill to repeal Citizens United.

I agree with my Republican colleagues.

We need to get money out of politics.

If I had my way, the state would say, this is what you get for each race.

And if you can't win by spending that, then you probably are not a good budget or money.

You shouldn't be an office anyway.

I mean, I wish we could get to that point.

Honestly, nobody needs that money.

And for clarification, and I hate saying this because it's just with Citizens United, it's just the truth of the matter.

This bill seeks to get rid of the loophole.

Right.

If Diane Hendricks, George Soros, if whomever me wants to give hundreds of millions of dollars in legal ways of dark money, they can still do all of that.

You're not.

making a law saying they can't.

You're simply just saying this one thing where someone says, Hey, sign this petition and you might win a big golf check.

That's what you're trying to get rid of.

This is, this has less to do with George Soros than it does with bribery.

Absolutely.

My bill is micro-focused on this particular issue that frankly was not a problem until the last presidential election.

And then we saw a repeat of that kind of tactic in the spring.

Honestly, we didn't have billionaires trying to flip elections in Wisconsin until now in that particular way.

So this is a micro-focused bill on that particular thing.

As terms of broader finance reform, campaign finance reform, I am all open.

If my Republican colleagues want to bring a bill forward on that, I'd be happy to work with them on

that.

I'm not going to hold my breath on that one.

Just I don't know.

Call me skeptical.

But that would be great.

I would love to see the end of Citizens United corporations are not people and money isn't speech.

That that whole thing is a mess.

But again, I find it hard to believe that many Republicans are going to say, yeah, this is wrong.

We shouldn't do that.

Even though I do think that the election of Susan Crawford over.

the Elon Musk pick was pretty indicative of where Wisconsin is across all party lines.

Wisconsinites banded together in rejecting Elon Musk coming in and trying to buy it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, that's, that's, that's the universality of that.

People don't like cheats and the minutiae of that when, you know, we all, we all, none of us like cheats.

Republicans talk about people cheating on.

public benefits, Democrats talking about people cheating by not paying billionaires, not paying their taxes.

Can we just focus on the fact that we all think cheating is bad and find some pathway to doing something?

I would even take it one step further showing the severe nature of Wisconsin's stubbornness, if you will, is that all of the

politicians, the candidates who tried to run for governor or Senate, who were millionaire, multimillionaire billionaires saying, oh, it's my turn.

It's my time.

That's my job.

I'd like that.

We're like, no, no, I might not like the Democrats or they're, but we're not going to take the person who just thinks they're owed the job.

Wisconsinites are smarter than that.

And they don't like cheats.

So they don't like carpet beggars.

Yeah, Wisconsinites are workers.

Honestly, I think that's why I get a lot of across the board support People know I'm gonna work my butt off for them.

I mean, I'm I'm a regular person I I have a part-time job as a server I work at a garden center in the spring, you know, people know that they might not agree with my positions But I'm gonna dig down and I'm gonna work for them

representative.

We've only got about a minute and a half left I'm just curious when you were considering running was the issue of money something that That could have stopped you from running

Because you have to raise so much cash

now.

You know every single candidate Republican and Democrat alike complain about the amount of time we have to spend on the phone dialing for dollars Just think about spending that time door to door talking to people individually.

None of us really want that Unfortunately, that's the system it's in but now that I'm in the system and I'm on campaigns and elections I feel there's an opportunity to change it I just need some partners to come with me and do it

I think you would get a whole lot of support again getting rid of Citizens United and having set amounts depending upon what

Race, you are running in.

Here's your money.

Let's see how far you can make it go.

I think that's a great idea.

Don't stop.

Representative Lee Snodgrass has been our guest.

Thank you so very, very much for your time, Representative.

We really appreciate it.

That's so nice to join you.

Thank you.

Coming up, we're going to have a little weather and wine with Civic Media meteorologist, Brittany Merleau.

That is on the way.

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Get away for a while.

Here I am out on my own again.

Won't blame

it on myself.

Here I'll blame it on the will of man.

Good morning and welcome back to Matt and Air on Air, Jane Matt and Air, Greg Bach.

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She joins us every Thursday at this time for a little weather and wine.

Civic media meteorologist Brittany Merleau is here.

I gotta say Brittany right now in Racine, it's like perfect.

It's perfect.

It is so nice out.

It's got to be about 60 degrees, blue skies, not windy.

It's just lovely.

I'm assuming in two hours that will end.

Yeah, pretty much.

And it will feel like a punishment for having good weather

in the

first place.

Kiss a goodbye.

Kiss a goodbye is right.

So when are things going to start to change?

Because we do have weather coming in.

Yes, we sure do.

So not, you know, everybody wants to go to the draft and so does the low pressure system.

Go figure.

It is targeting the state and it's going to be rolling in some scattered showers by early this evening, far north and far west.

But of course the cloud cover is going to take over the rest of the day today.

Still nice and warm though, down south.

Not so much up north,

unfortunately.

Is it now?

What's it like around Green Bay?

Well, Green Bay, we're going to be in about the low sixties today.

but really falling tomorrow to about 50 degrees plus the winds are going to be breezy out of the north.

It is going to be feeling like the 40s with rain ongoing tomorrow morning.

It really does look to last until about the afternoon.

It starts to ease and then the last chance of scattered showers would be five o'clock the latest into the Fox Valley.

So what it's doing is kind of interesting.

The system's moving in, it's spreading in this rain and it fills the entire state up first.

Then it goes to the Fox Valley last.

So,

right?

Oh, man.

Just can't catch a break.

Geez.

I know.

I know.

So I think it means though, like tonight, they're going to be good to go.

Maybe just a few sprinkles through there.

But tomorrow morning and throughout the afternoon, not the best day.

It's going to be brutal, breezy, raw.

puddles to jump over all of that.

But you know, for folks for Wisconsinites, this is opening day.

That was opening day for every for years and years and years when it was at county stadium and everybody sucked it up and went to the game anyway.

So I don't think for people from Wisconsin, it's not going to be pleasant.

No, but I don't think it's going to deter a lot of people.

But for out of towners, you get an umbrella and get a buy a nice sweatshirt because you're probably going to need it.

Get the Paco's at the Paco the Packers poncho.

That

would be perfect That's funny Yeah, it's good.

I think I don't know who said it if it was on this show or patch show they said it's gonna be funny to see a lot of Vikings Raiders and Bears fans adorned in Green Bay Theme gear because they had no choice but to buy our umbrellas ponchos and whatnot seriously

I love it.

I can't wait.

I'm glad Mother Nature did that, I guess.

Because we can handle

it.

Like

you said, word is fine.

Oh,

yeah.

Also, like, I mean...

It's gonna provide a bit of a memory, too.

There's gonna be pictures.

You'll see pictures on social media people getting downpoured on, like, we're at the draft and we're having

a blast.

But I'm telling you, those are the stories that you tell.

Yes.

When something goes wrong, nobody comes back from vacation and says, everything was perfect, there were no problems.

No, you come back from vacation and you talk about the time you missed the ferry, and then your luggage was three days late.

But those are the stories that you tell.

I asked about your vacation.

Why are you whining about the time you had?

So

true.

It's so

true.

Well, again, hopefully everything is going to go smoothly up there.

And for tomorrow, again, just make sure you're prepared and have an umbrella and make sure you got your bundle up.

Yeah.

It's going to be fine.

Yeah, you'd be fine.

And in Saturday, it looks gorgeous.

I mean, the sunshine comes out for the entire state.

We start to warm things up.

We'll be at about 60 degrees in the Fox Valley on Saturday and then into the mid-60s on Sunday.

So a gorgeous weekend, a nice ending to it all.

Now, this is going to lead some people, including myself, to want to go to the nursery and get plants.

So can I get my flowers in the ground yet or am I jumping the gun a little bit?

Um, you might be jumping the gun just a little bit.

I think the final freeze is definitely going to be in about a week or so for a lot of the state.

So just hold off on those, um, was it the annuals?

I think

the

annuals

are

just fine and you can handle this kind of weather.

No big deal.

But, um, I would hold off just a little bit longer for that final freeze, but we're almost there.

We're almost there, just

about.

This is another reason to watch the live stream.

If you could see Jane's face when she was asking that question, she looked like a little kid saying, can I have my fun now?

May I have my fun, please?

Well, but the one thing that always shows up first, at least what I notice around here in southeastern Wisconsin are the pansies.

They must be a little tougher.

Yeah.

Because they're always the first things out that are available for you to buy.

Don't

let

the name fool you, we're here!

Try

it mother nature, we'll take you!

Bring it on, we're not afraid.

What about the fire danger?

Wisconsin's still in a drought.

Yeah, so actually a lot of this rain helped only 2% of Wisconsin is in a drought now and it's very very very southwest and in terms of the fire danger It's low for the southern half and then moderate for the northern half, which is actually really

good news this time of

year.

So you

throw all the cigarettes and matches

No, no, no, don't do that Don't throw your lit cigarettes out the car.

It drives me crazy All right, crazy

to I

Didn't do it.

I'm she got to shake that off

Plants, flowers, there you go.

Oh.

Cleansing.

Cleansing breath.

And after this beautiful weekend, severe weather for next week.

Yeah, we are looking at a major warmup spiking in.

I'm talking about some 70s and 80 degree temperatures, the humidity and mugginess building and then multiple fronts pushing through, which of course could be sparking up severe weather.

It looks like Monday and Tuesday.

We will check back in with Brittany Merleau next Thursday at this time.

Thank you so much, Brittany.

We will see you in a week.

Enjoy the draft.

Thank you.

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