Ron Johnson’s Conspiracy Spiral (Hour 1)

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Senator Ron Johnson back in the news has he.

Does he have concerns, Jane?

Ron Johnson has concerns.

Oh,

he's so concerned

for us.

I know.

So we're going to talk about that with Pat Critello.

And then in hour number two, Deborah Bickler is going to be here from the Nassida National Wildlife Refuge.

They're going to need help, as are many of our other institutions like this that care for animals, care for the environment with the cuts under the Trump administration.

So Deb's going to join us at 1106.

Last half hour a segment we call audio Sorbet Where we lighten things up a little bit this dies directly to something that I ate for breakfast this morning It's gonna be okay.

I'll eat it, but I hate it So start thinking about that now for 11 to 30.

Okay.

Yes.

I'll eat it, but I hate it

And then we'll wrap up the show as we always do with this shouldn't be a thing.

Today it is the ants in your pants edition.

I hope you can stay tuned for that.

Wanted to start off though, in Wisconsin, what is happening right here.

And this is something that we've talked about a lot over the past few months.

There's a state Senate floor session today, along with many other bills.

Most important one that's probably gonna get the most attention is whether or not to extend Medicaid coverage for postpartum women.

So after women give birth, give them a little help, it's not like your body just snaps back instantaneously.

Really, Jane?

I thought that's just what happened because I know nothing about lady bodies.

Well, see, and there's, that seems to be a little bit of a problem there.

Yes, Wisconsin and Alaska.

I believe.

Arkansas.

Arkansas, thanks.

And Arkansas is currently working on something.

Yeah, we're the only ones who have not expanded this coverage for a full year.

Yeah.

And we're talking about things like postpartum depression.

There are other complications that can arise.

I know it's shocking, guys, after giving birth.

Yeah.

And this is also not...

a highly controversial bill, either.

No, it's really not.

This is a by, yes, bipartisan measure, meaning both Democrats and Republicans and independents back this measure.

But you know, who doesn't?

Just think real

hard.

Who would be the only person to not back about that pro-lifers and pro-choice people

all

agree on?

They love moms.

They love kids.

Oh,

oh!

Is he of royalty?

He is of royalty.

Is he a landowner?

He is a landowner.

Does he create food?

I don't think so.

Oh, well, it's a type of food.

Is he the popcorn king?

He is the popcorn king.

Robin Voss.

He has arrived in the chat.

Robin Voss, of course, is the one who is against this bipartisan measure.

Voss has pointed to, and this is from TMJ4, Wisconsin's postpartum Medicaid income limits.

as evidence that Wisconsin already does enough to support low-income mothers.

They don't need any help.

60

days is good enough, lady.

Is anything beyond that?

You're on your own.

You're a moocher.

You're a moocher.

You're a moocher.

This is, for anyone wondering also, when we say bipartisan, the Senate had already passed this measure last year, 33 to none.

Every state senator in Madison voted for this bill.

Republicans in both the Assembly and the Senate are for this.

They are saying things like, we do not understand why this is not going through.

And this is a great thing to go home and campaign with.

We're helping moms.

We love moms.

Well, and this would be something that would actually prove other than just giving new moms and families lip service, which they're

real good at.

They're great at that.

But then when it actually, and we've talked about this many times, when it actually comes to funding measures to help new mothers, to help young families, when it comes to paying for it, it's like, yeah, well, no, we're not doing that.

And this all comes down to I am deeply like, well, for one thing, I am very much concerned that Robin Voss has a wire crossed in his brain that just does not allow him to care about people.

But also it's about not giving Tony Evers a win, which by the way,

Which, by the way, you could easily, easily pass this and do a press conference, a press release saying we, Wisconsin Republicans, in an effort to help working moms everywhere.

passes, you can take as much credit as you want.

In fact, take all the credit if you'd like, just pass it.

So mothers and dads, families can

count on something.

Last month at a luncheon, Robin Voss said, quote, I am not the only person in the legislature who is opposed to it.

I think many Republicans are opposed to the idea of expanding welfare.

It's just they're more than happy to let me stand in front and take the arrows, unquote.

Oh, can you?

Can you hear that?

It's it's it's

it's it's

small

violent.

It's small violent and just it just loves playing that that that victim

that Republican Patrick Snyder says I think it's wrong.

He is one who is sponsoring this bill.

Yeah, send it out and have a vote.

Yeah.

Yeah, that would be I don't know what some that the legislature should do.

Yes, send it out and have a vote.

They don't have to vote.

Yes.

But them holding it up tells me they know it's going to pass.

and that their personal objections take first place.

That's sad.

And that is, honestly, who was that again?

This is Republican Representative Patrick Snyder, who represents a Wausau area district.

I want to say kudos to Mr. Snyder,

because that

is... Robin Voss is an incredible... He's probably the most... He is the most powerful politician in Wisconsin.

Without a doubt.

And to speak like that takes some guts.

And I personally feel like that...

Robin Voss is lying through his teeth He just doesn't want to bring it to a vote because he does because he knows that maybe not um, maybe not every every Republican will vote for it,

but he knows

well He knows it will pass and this just compounds another action on the Madison GOP of of Doing whatever they can to keep things from happening whether it's not bringing stuff up for the vote which by the way Shout out to you Devon Lemahue.

You are not immune for this in the GOP Senate truly

changing the Wisconsin constitution, making it harder to vote, changing the committee assignments so there are less Democrats on them than Republicans because they lost the maps.

This is just another way for them to keep their power because they're so afraid of having to do the work and represent the people.

Let it come up for a vote.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Isn't that what we're all with this democracy constitutional republic is based on?

Well, he loves a representative.

democracy and he's the representative and he will tell us

what we want.

Well it's Robin's money.

It's Robin's money.

It's Robin's money and Robin is the only one who gets to decide what happens with it.

Absolutely.

Again Republican representative Patrick Snyder who co-authored this measure said he campaigned on expanding coverage for mothers.

He vows to keep fighting for it whether as a standalone bill

or as part of the upcoming state budget, quote, I'm fighting all the way to get this done.

I don't know what I'm doing in the legislature if this doesn't get passed.

I mean, kudos again for that.

I mean, it's true.

And folks, if you live in, if you live in Robin Boss's district, if you are represented by him, call his office.

Absolutely.

Be

respectful.

Be kind.

If you agree that new moms should be able to access Medicaid for just 10 more months for a year.

It's 12 months from 60 days to a full year.

Yes.

Call his office and tell him.

So will it make a difference?

I can't.

I cannot guarantee that.

But what I can guarantee is that you've spoken your piece and you can let them know that he is on the wrong side of this argument.

You can always find out his number.

How we do that, Jane.

Go to my vote.WI.gov.

My vote.WI.gov.

All you have to do is put in your address.

And all of your elected representatives contact information will come up again if you live in Robin Voss's district.

Yes, call him.

Call him.

And again, we always encourage you to be getting some aid.

Yeah.

So please don't yell at them.

No, there's no reason to.

There really isn't.

There's some young person who's probably severely underpaid.

Yeah.

But give him a call.

We've talked to enough lawmakers who have said it actually does.

Make a difference.

It can make a different can make a difference

to Robin boss I can never guarantee that but it does make a difference to other politicians who actually want to listen to the constituents and I think it's very very important on this measure because let us repeat ourselves for the umpteenth thousands time 48 for sure possibly 49 other states have this.

We're not talking red and blue.

We're not talking Democrat Republican.

We're talking about helping

mothers helping children, helping working families.

This is pro life and pro choice got together and said, yeah, this makes sense.

What are we even doing right

now?

Again, this measure would allow low income Wisconsin mothers to stay on Medicaid for a year.

after giving birth instead of just 60 days.

And again, there are complications that arise.

Yes.

After women give birth, I know it's shocking.

Not every pregnancy is just smooth and sweet and nope.

Go right back in the mix.

Yeah, no, it doesn't work that way for everyone.

And as you said, Greg, Wisconsin and right now Arkansas, the only two states that have refused to accept federal funds to extend rather postpartum Medicaid out to a

year.

Really really quick to for those who might be questioning don't confuse this with accepting Expansion to Medicaid under Obamacare.

Those are two separate things.

I've heard people Confused this is a separate action a separate issue For moms for families to access Medicaid for one full year.

So if you're against Obamacare, you can still be for this It should be a no-brainer.

It is a no-brainer

and again, just let it come up for a vote unless you're just so afraid

which I think they are, and it's gonna pass.

If they let it come up for a vote.

If

it gets voted no, then it gets voted no, and then you

try again.

But

33 to nothing in the Senate.

That says something in our divided state.

We'll see what happens with this as the day goes on today.

Just coming up to the break when we return, we're gonna talk about Kristi Noem's purse.

I have questions.

Have you seen it?

No one has seen it.

It's called it was stolen.

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He'll take Calvin takes care of all this in the remaining time We have before we go to the news and we mentioned this I think it was right before we left before the end of the show yesterday Department of Homeland Security Secretary.

I just want to say that one more time Department of Homeland Security Secretary Christine gnomes purse was stolen

on Sunday night when she was at a restaurant at the Capitol Burger restaurant.

Among the items that were stolen, her driver's license, medication, apartment keys, passport, her access badge to the Department of Homeland Security, blank checks, and about $3,000 in cash.

Was she like exiting the country?

$3,000 in cash.

Yeah.

That just made me stumble a little bit.

A DHS spokesperson says, quote, her entire family was in town, including her children and grandchildren.

She was using the withdrawal to treat her family to dinner, activities, and Easter gifts.

$3,000.

Dude, when I

was giving my Easter gifts for like some jelly beans, maybe a chocolate bar

and an orange.

A yo-yo.

And a yo-yo

maybe.

A yo-yo, a skateboard maybe.

Easter activities, what does that involve?

You're getting like 30 Easter bunnies.

I just find that very interesting.

Maybe I just don't have enough money, but I can't ever think of a time when I've been carrying around $3,000 in cash.

so I could take my sisters and my nieces and nephews out.

That's when you use a credit card.

This is the new standard, Jane.

Christy, no.

Oh, you know, you're not going to take us out for a highfalutin' Easter breakfast and hunting for sport?

I mean, this is somebody who, like, that's like the kind of person someone has a go bag.

Yes.

Yeah, like, it's, this is, it's just, but are you honestly shocked that Christy Noem would have all of this in her purse?

I'm surprised there wasn't a gun.

Honestly, I'm surprised there

wasn't a gun.

That's an excellent point, but I just find it somewhat amusing that the woman who is the head of the Department of Homeland Security, which you would think would mean security would be top of her mind most of the time, managed to have her purse stolen.

Well, and the other thing too, and I mentioned this yesterday, when we found out about the story is that as a cabinet member, you would think that she'd have a person next to her who would be like,

Holdin' like,

she doesn't have to

worry about anything.

They hold

the phone, they hold the purse, they hold the everything so she can just be unencumbered.

But no, she's got everything on her and just in case we need some bail money, Christy Gnomes on

top

of

it.

Well yeah, and as Alicia says here on the live stream, according to Christy, she must be a member of MS-13.

Because Republicans are saying anyone who carries over $1,000 in cash is a gang member.

Shut up.

Are you serious?

Oh, yeah.

That's been said that if you have too much cash on you, then you must be doing something illegal.

OK.

All right.

$3,000 sounds like a lot of money to take people out to brunch.

And sometimes they shouldn't talk.

We have news coming up next.

And then when we return, Pat Crightlow will be joining us.

Wisconsin Senior Senator Ron Johnson has thoughts looking back.

We'll kick that around next.

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Good morning, sir.

How are you

ever smooth?

Always appreciate the yacht rock.

You

know, the captain's hat is on the new bookcase behind me.

Nice.

Very nice.

Next, next to the lake with soda signage.

All we need to do is get past this.

Whatever this is, is it raining up by you?

It's cold and windy and rainy and I can't launch a pontoon and these kinds of conditions.

Gonna have to wait.

Gonna have to wait.

Okay, I will I heard

I heard Britney on your show this morning.

It sounds like we got some soggy weather for the next couple of days at least and then Eventually by oh come on you guys at the Wisconsin by the middle of May it might be nice ish sure

Brittany She I mean I can't help it.

I this is very disappointing that it just is and there's there's nobody but Brittany

to

blame

the

line of fire when

I

go

Why is it 28 again or whatever, you know, was going on out there?

It's not her fault.

No, it's not her fault.

It's not the ideal spring, but, you know, it's

Wisconsin

five more minutes.

It'll change.

Exactly.

Whiplash weather.

You never know what's going to happen before we move on to what I want to kick around with you, Pat, which is Wisconsin senior Senator Ron Johnson has thoughts.

about things.

Before you joined us, we were talking about Kristi Noem having her purse stolen with $3,000 in it as we all do when we're taking

out our family

for

Easter dinner.

And Cindy from Appleton is on the line.

We're going to take this real quickly.

Cindy, good morning and happy bus drivers day.

Thank you.

Anyway, I don't want to defend Chris, you know, but have you been to brunch lately?

I mean Easter brunches are like 50 or 60 bucks a person and probably Washington, DC So if she took 20 or 30 people out, I'm telling you a thousand bucks or more is probably covered lunch only But

why wouldn't you put it on a card Cindy?

Why wouldn't you put it on a credit card

or a debit card?

Get the

points a lot of places charge, you know, like 3% or whatever for

using a card.

So I get that.

But anyway, my point is punches have been become so clearly.

And I do want to say, I do want to say something quick about Ron Johnson.

He is having a luncheon town hall in Appleton on May 3rd from 11 to one at the 10th frame in Appleton.

How much does

it cost to get in $15?

There it is.

And he'll be there.

I will be outside.

I can't stomach to hear what he has to say, but I will be outside with a sign saying fire road

joke.

Oh, new sign.

Like it's Cindy.

Appreciate it.

Thanks for checking in and happy bus drivers day.

Very much appreciated.

Yes, let's talk about Ron Johnson.

Ron Johnson, who again, I have been looking

for his accomplishments on what he has done for the residents of Wisconsin.

Since he's been in there now, this is his third term.

This is his

third term as a senator.

He was only going to do two, but we needed him so badly that he ran again.

What has he brought to his

constituents?

He has brought the reminder that there is such a difference between

politicians and public officials.

And Ron Johnson has always always been in campaign mode.

He has never accomplished anything as as a public official.

And he wins those elections by virtue of all of the unlimited funds that come in from billionaires and corporations so that in each of his elections, he's been able to scare voters enough on social, you know, cultural wedge issues to win an election.

So he's demonstrated how to win an election through money and racism and lies, but then

the other five years and six months, we're getting bupkus from this guy, nothing but more conspiracy theories.

I guess the one accomplishment we should be able to give him credit for is when Paul Ryan was working on his big tax plan and Ron was a big holdout until a particular provision was included in that tax plan, which benefited his own, his kid's business.

And then they got to write off their private planes, I think.

They

did.

And by the way, the, the pass-through corporation type of tax break that he got through, he loves to say that this was for small business.

These are all the things he did for small business.

Here's the thing.

He could have done exactly that, that pass-through corporations get that kind of tax break with a ceiling.

But of course, if there's a ceiling, then he and all of his other buddies, they

don't get the benefit.

Yeah.

And so when people go, well, pass-through corporations are small businesses.

No, they're not.

You could have limited the break to the small ones, but he chose not to and is using small businesses essentially as a human shield to guard against anybody saying, oh, you just did this for yourself and your billionaire buddies.

Well, the thing too is that, you know, in the first term, the first six years, he was relatively quiet.

He played back bench.

He didn't say a lot.

You never saw him on TV a whole lot.

And then when Trump came into power and COVID happened,

he started, it became more like, oh, I know what I can do to make a, make a tussle and I can, I can buy my media time.

I'll just go the conspiracy theory route.

And the more he goes along, the more he dives in and it's really to me personally, and I wouldn't care if he was a Democrat or Republican.

I'm like, this is embarrassing to listen to one of our senators speak in such a manner.

But now we're to the point where

I'm starting to

think he

actually believes this stuff.

I do.

I think he does too.

I think a lot of folks maybe start like, you know, they, they go, ah, isn't this funny stuff?

And next thing you know, they're completely enmeshed in it.

And it's where somebody like me, a news junkie, politics junkie, I try to watch a little bit of everything.

But there are things I really, really try to stay away from.

If I know that there is no information value in there whatsoever.

And yet, what do I hear right before the last commercial break?

We're going to talk about Ron Johnson.

So during this last break, I had to call up

what he said about building seven at the World Trade Center, and y'all ruined my day.

I had no reason to listen to that, and when I did, I was so much dumber for having listened to Ron Johnson talking about 9-11 conspiracy theories.

Well, speaking

of, we happen to have a sound clip.

Congratulations,

everybody.

You about to get dumber.

From Senator Ron Johnson talking to influencer.

Benny Johnson.

Thank you.

Benny Johnson, who I have another couple of comments about on the other side.

Calvin, let's play this clip from Wisconsin's senior Senator Ron Johnson, please.

What would you like to know about September 11th, the official story, their senator?

Well, let's start with building.

What would you like to know about September 11th, the official story, their senator?

Well, let's start with building seven.

Again, I don't know if you can find structural engineers other than the ones that have the corrupt investigation inside NIST.

that would say that that thing didn't come down in any other way than a controlled demolition.

I mean, you just look at that.

You talk about molten steel.

Again, you listen to the documentary Bravo 7.

There's an awful lot of questions.

Bravo 7?

What the hell?

I mean, seriously, Ron, Senator, buddy, what are you doing?

Now he wants to hold hearings about this on how 9-11, he believes, was an inside job.

And when we were talking about this as we were setting up the show this morning, you pointed out, Greg, that it was under the George Bush administration that investigated what happened on

9-11.

So folks, just so you know, that clip is about two minutes and 50 seconds long.

So first of all, you're welcome.

Second of all, he calls for, he wants to have more, he says there are going to be more hearings.

What is it now all of a sudden that he's decided to go back 20, almost 25 years in the past to something I feel like we've concluded has been taken care of.

Something he wasn't even in the Senate about.

And all of a sudden, we have to talk about it again.

We have to discuss it.

And also I wanted to say really quick, the reason why he ran for a third term, because he wanted to represent and take care of the quote unquote, never said before, vaccine

injured.

Yes, that was the whole thing, the COVID vaccines.

And he was, he had all this information from alternate sources that said, you know, it was bad and all these, and yes, there are people who have adverse,

impacts from vaccines, but this was not a widespread issue.

All this is, is a diversion.

Every moment that we have to defend the truth about science or physics, as the case may be, is time we are not spent reminding people that Ron Johnson has always been anti-government, anti-U.S.

government, and has always been looking for ways to demolish the federal government and use that savings, not to send it back to his constituents, but to put it into his pocket and the pockets of the millionaire billionaire class.

And he knows

that if he can distract people with conspiracy theories or negative attacks or whatever the case may be, those are moments we are not living up to that James Carville maxim.

It's the economy stupid.

So I can tell, you know, my folks all the time, look, we're not going to ignore Ron Johnson.

He's absolutely being crazy.

And where we have to correct the record, we will.

But we're going to spend, you know, as little time as possible before we remind people, what is Ron Johnson truly there for?

He's truly not there to investigate Building 7.

He's truly not there to investigate vaccines.

He feels that government shouldn't be there, that the business class should run this country, that there are plenty of, you know, generous billionaires who will take care of our education needs and our healthcare needs.

And he's simply facilitating that along.

distracting people wherever he can along the way.

Well, and I think

it's

important.

I just want to share this quote because I think it gives us a little idea of where Ron Johnson's head is.

He says, quote, first of all, I think everybody has to admit that Elon Musk is probably one of the most brilliant, accomplished, effective human beings that have ever walked on planet Earth.

You can't dispute that.

I mean, there have been many geniuses.

He's one of them.

He also applauds Musk and his doge minions for putting in 80 to 120 hours a week without pay to find waste, fraud and abuse.

Ron Johnson says Musk has been criticized for being unelected, but he trusts someone appointed by Donald Trump over those unelected bureaucrats.

Quote, I think Elon is doing a fabulous job.

He's very humble.

In his approach, he said, listen, we're going to make mistakes.

We're going in here.

We don't have much time on our hands, but we're going to correct those mistakes.

And they've already done that so incredibly transparent.

Oh yeah.

Somewhere there exists the perfect sound effect for radio that would sound like somebody hitting their head against a lamppost repeatedly or whatever it is that I feel like doing right now.

when I have to listen to nonsense like that, where again, it's, it's, it's a millionaire taking care of a billionaire, because all the billionaires take care of him.

It's all one big class that looks on everybody else.

Like if you don't have money, you, you are not as smart as me.

You are inferior to me.

Don't worry, there are benevolent billionaires that will take care of you.

Right.

But but we know best.

And so this

heartfelt embrace of Elon Musk, his more embrace of his money and his class stature, not anything he actually knows or does.

By the way, Elon hasn't invented anything.

No.

He invented Zip2.

That was a website that came out like 30 years ago.

That's pretty cool.

I was trying to find the clip, but unfortunately, my computer went haywire.

But Ron Johnson's also a man who said, any best of the Senate did nothing.

Literally said those words.

It'd be best if they never took up another bill again.

He wants to keep them doing nothing But that's not gonna stop someone like Tammy Baldwin who's literally built big bringing in billions of dollars of the state helping build bridges and helping Everyone

we're gonna continue our conversation with Pat Crite low on the other side stay close Bob.

I see you on the line We'll take you when we come back you were listening to Matt near on air on the civic media radio network

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Wisconsin senior Senator Ron Johnson weighing in on his big concern right now.

Is it the economy?

Is it maintaining social security?

No, none of those things.

He's worried about 9-11.

He wants to have hearings on 9-11 being an inside job.

You know that real topical topic of topics.

Everyone's talking about that.

Bob from Waukesha has been waiting very patiently on the line.

Good morning, Bob.

What do you want to say about that?

Well first of all when you mentioned that he held that Paul Ryan's big tax break for the wealthy he held that up It might have been for the reason you said but also to give the e-lines Uline packaging their big tax break They got a big tax break out of that Thanks to Ron John.

Oh, yeah.

Well, you gotta take care of your donors, right Bob

Well, and another thing, the only person I know of that is as despicable as Donald Trump would be Ron Johnson.

That man has no conscience, no heart, no integrity.

He's just a blank slate and he's all for himself and his rich donors.

Appreciate it, Bob.

Thank you for checking in.

Yeah.

And yet he keeps getting reelected.

It's amazing to me when you compare Ron Johnson's record to Tammy Baldwin's record as far as what they have brought to their constituents, there's just no comparison.

Absolutely.

There's one thing that was mentioned, the right to try Bill Pat.

Someone mentioned that on the live stream.

Yeah, there was

this comment saying that

for terminally ill patients who have no other medical treatments, the right to try a bill guarantees some kind of access to try experimental things.

And I understand the sentiment behind it, but I will also say being married to a medical professional, so, you know, having talked about bills like this a bit,

it is not a foolproof thing.

You're saying what Ron Johnson is saying is you have the right to try anything.

If you want to try horse dewormer on something, go ahead.

But what that does then is it creates essentially some peer pressure that somebody else who's terminally ill knows better than to try horse dewormer, but sees that other people are doing it and so I may do it too.

So it is right to try.

But it is also right to spread harm.

Things are tested for a reason, and tests take a long time,

sometimes

for a reason, and they're going to take longer when you're slashing the budget for medical research to come up with the things that are tried and true.

I'm not saying Ron Johnson's totally wrong to want to pursue this avenue, but again, there is a downside to it.

Well, and as you said, Pat,

medical studies take a very, very long time.

So the fact that we have Robert Kennedy Jr.

coming out saying he's going to have an answer by September on what causes autism is I'm tragically laughable.

It's

laughable.

It's offensive.

So many people have been rightly offended by his remarks.

We're going to have a guest on Thursday to Thursday morning to talk all about this as well.

And it just again shows how

just because you are named to a high government position or elected to one, it does not make you among the best and brightest.

It makes you the best campaigner.

And if you surround yourself with a lot of sick events, yes men and everything else, we're not going to get, shall we say, the best side of our government.

There's a reason why President Trump is defending

Pete Hegseth, who has proved he's incompetent as defense secretary, but he's going after Jerome Powell, whom he can't control as head of the Federal Reserve for daring to criticize his policy.

Think carefully, which one would you defend and which one would you attack?

And when a president shows you who he is and who he surrounds himself with, believe him.

Yeah, there is something about the company that you keep.

We do have a clip from Amy Klobuchar, who was a Democratic senator from Minnesota, talking about

Jerome Powell that we wanted to address because you're right now Trump is aiming all his fire at Jerome Powell and the stock market crashing is all Powell's fault and he wants Powell to drop the the interest rates This I saw us from CNN this morning Trump is overseeing a larger fall in the S&P 500 than any other president since its creation in 1957

Trump is overseeing a 14% drop.

The next closest, George W. Bush, 7% drop.

And again, what it leads to is for people who talk all the time about a culture of dependency, again, every assertion from them is a confession.

They want that culture of dependency, but they want you dependent on them.

They want you dependent on, you know, those but benevolent few that will, you know,

build those private schools of the future.

So if Trump sees all of this personal wealth, trillions of dollars disappearing in the stock market, that's okay by them.

Because again, in their mind, their people will take care of the people that they want to take care of, their people.

And I just want to make it because we, we talked about it a couple of weeks ago because it was very big in the news as far as the stock market crash.

And the stock market falling down so hard is that over the last two days, it's fallen even harder.

And it's, it's at like, it closed yesterday about 38,000.

And people, people are saying like, what about your 401ks?

Now you got to keep up with this stuff because it's continuing to happen.

We can't take our eyes off the prize.

And that is an indicator of the.

of the damage he's doing.

News is coming up next.

Join Pat Critello tomorrow morning across the network from six to nine.

Matt, mornings with Pat Critello.

Thank you so much, Pat.

We will see you later.

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He's going to be talking to Tia Nelson, the daughter of Earth Day founder Gaylord Nelson.

It's going to be a great show today, joining Todd from noon to two, also talking about the 125th anniversary of Wisconsin State Parks, which we all love and cherish.

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across the Civic Media radio network.

We are joined right now by the vice president of the Friends of Nasita Wildlife Refuge.

She's an active volunteer as well.

Deb Bieschler is here.

Good morning Deb.

Thanks so much for joining us.

I'm glad to be here.

Well, we got turned on to this from our friend and colleague, Melissa K, at WFHR.

She did a story about this that says, Nasita National Wildlife Refuge, asking for your help as federal funding cuts hit Wisconsin.

So Deb, first of all, talk about the Wildlife Refuge in Nasita.

What is it?

What do you all do there?

Sure.

Well, we're one of 560 national wildlife refuges in the whole country and every refuge because of the habitats that they have in them support different wildlife.

And here in the seat of Wisconsin, we are so lucky to be a wetland and to welcome the endangered whooping cranes back every year.

We have, in addition to those birds, we have lots of swans, trumpeter swans, egrets.

um kingfisher blue heron just so many different ducks and geese it's just an amazing place as and then there are other birds warblers and we have um almost 44 000 acres at nasita wow and

Yes, and a gorgeous, gorgeous 10 or 10 to 12 year old visitor center with hands-on displays, meeting rooms.

People come there and say, oh my gosh, I never knew this

was here.

We do that so much in Wisconsin.

I think we have all these wonderful resources in our backyard sometimes, and we're just completely oblivious to them until you get a little highlight.

Somebody gives you a little highlight about it.

Let's go ahead.

We'll go ahead.

Jane, I have so many things to say about this.

I don't see the other reference I could chat on the whole time.

We support three wolf packs, three small wolf packs.

We have bear, we have coyotes, eagles, just fishers, all sorts of like mammals.

We also have endangered blending turtles and we have the most little one inch big.

Karner blue butterflies the most in the world.

They're endangered and Listeners if you get to the Nassida area or make a special trip to the Nassida area the end of June beginning of July because when the lupins blooming These butterflies are everywhere and they're gorgeous.

Oh, I bet for people who are listening Deb who might think

Birds, birds, butterflies, whatever.

Butterflies.

We got enough birds.

They don't really do anything.

Birds are critically important to our ecosystem.

Can you explain why?

Well, yes.

I mean, different birds have different functions.

Some birds help to...

decrease pesky insect populations when those insect populations get too big.

Some birds are pollinators and without them and without bees, and that's another thing that we support are, you know, we don't

We don't get the pollination of our crops.

And everything's a balance, you guys.

It's just we need everything and we need to keep it in balance.

And so many people don't know that.

There have been so many cuts to all sorts of programs.

And everything is worthwhile that we're concerned about these days.

But no one can speak for the animals.

prairies and the, I mean, the Nassida Wildlife Refuge has tons of wetlands, but we also have prairie, we have some rare oak savanna.

I mean, Wisconsin used to be covered with oak savannas and now there's, oh my gosh, I wish I'm not the greatest on numbers, but there's like maybe 3% of what there used to be.

Yeah, it's really decreased.

So birds help to balance everything out just like all the other species and critters.

If you're wondering where the Nassida National Wildlife Refuge is, you're north of Boston and you're east of Tilma, right Deb?

Correct.

Correct.

Um, where our road is called headquarters road and it's just off of highway 21 between the Sita and Tomah and it's a two mile drive north on that road.

And I don't think I've ever driven it without seeing some kind of wildlife one time.

I saw a lone wolf.

Many days I see deer and cranes and eagles and I mean, it's just, we can't guarantee you're going to see something when you come, but

But we do keep a chart saying, here's what's been spotted today.

We have an observation tower.

We have six trails.

One of them is a lupin trail, and it is absolutely

gorgeous.

Oh, I bet it's amazing, especially when everything is blooming and all the butterflies are there.

Right.

And one of the really exciting things that's been happening at the Nassida Wildlife Refuge in the last four to five years is that, well, let me give you a little backstory first.

back when Aldo Leopold and the Hammerstroms were doing some of their work to, you know, just, you know, noticing the relation with the natural world and, you know, just how important it is.

But even before that, some developers decided that they could dredge the wetlands at Nasita.

And they made, I don't know, was it five or six tons of miles of wetlands?

the ditches and they drained the wetlands and then once the wetlands were drained then the bogs dried out and there were these terrible peat fires and oh my gosh well of course they sold the developer sold the land to immigrant farmers hoping to make it here and the land looked rich you know but really there's just that top layer of stuff and then it's not that's not farmable so that all went

belly up.

And then some people, the Hammerstroms, Aldo Leopold, and then the Reinersons, who two of our pools are made from, they worked or lived in this area.

The Reinersons had been farmers, and they lobbied to FDR, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and said, this land needs to be preserved for waterfall.

So much development.

And, okay, so fast forward now to five years ago, and one of our head biologists said, wildlife biologist Brad Strobel said, I wonder if we could get this little yellow river to flow back on its natural course, to find its old meander, to quote his eloquence.

And by golly, we have returned, I believe it's five miles now.

the river to its old meander and you should see what's happening.

We've been paired with the Engage Charter School out of Nassida Public Schools.

Those kids have come.

They form hypotheses.

They've taken measurements.

They've used like the stream tables to predict what would happen if they plugged here.

And we've gotten grants that wonderful, wonderful Brad Strobel and other people on the staff wrote grants and

mile by mile we've returned it and you should see the birds coming

back.

I bet that that's amazing and Deb Beakler is our guest

she

is the vice president of the Friends of Nasita National Wildlife Refuge and we're talking about how important this is and you know what Deb we in Wisconsin we can disagree on so many things when it comes to politics and even childcare and all those things but I would like to think that the one thing that

most of

us

Share in common is love and respect for our natural resources.

Oh, yes, I agree with that.

I mean, so many people come to the refuge to hunt, to fish, to just unwind and enjoy the beauty of nature.

Those birds aren't partisan.

Yeah.

Right, exactly.

We're showing their beautiful color, the scarlet tan and your flashes.

You know, it's beautiful, red, first of all.

And yes, on our board of directors, we have, and in our groups of volunteers, it's not a partisan thing.

It's, yes, come together and love this beautiful land that supports us so much.

So what can folks do, Deb?

Now, what kind of cuts are you anticipating under the second Trump administration?

Well, it's...

Okay, so I don't know exactly what the budget will be after September 30th.

I mean those questions are still coming.

Refuge staff, all my information comes from mostly from the public, employees for environmental responsibility, and CORFA, which is coalitions of Refuge Friends Associations.

And so

For a while, we had a freeze on the credit cards.

Nothing could be spent over a dollar.

That was about a little over a month long.

We had a broken heating system.

Oh, my gosh.

And now since then, there are many, many, many levels of approval that have to happen to get anything spent on our friends group.

Our friends group can support the work.

I mean, the refuge needs a budget of its own.

We think, you know, the federal government can't rely on Friends Group to raise funds to run it, but we can support.

We're gathering stories.

We're asking people who have come to the Refuge, or if they want to share a story about another Refuge, that's fine.

Come to our website, FriendsOfNWR.org, and share, there's a place to type your story.

And we are publishing those stories in our newsletter and in local papers.

You can join the Friends group.

It's only $15 for seniors and 25 for individuals, 40 for a family.

And you can always contribute more.

We have an Adopt a Crane program.

And then that supports our special events.

On June 14th, we're having birds, bees, and butterfly pollinators event.

It's our third annual.

We've had over 350 people come in the last two years.

more this year so you can okay join the france group you can share your stories lobby we are asking people to write their representatives of why this is important why do we need these corridors for wild animals and why how people renew themselves i don't know if you've ever heard of um oh it's not feng shui it's something else i can't all of a sudden i'm just not thinking of it but it's oh shinrin yoku and it is a

Do I need to wrap

this up?

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Good morning and welcome back to Metnair on Air.

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Our guest is the vice president of the Friends of Nasita National Wildlife Refuge, Deb Beekler is here.

And we want to thank our friend and colleague, Melissa Kay

at

WFHR, who was the first one to talk to you, Deb.

And as a really nice article on WFHR website, we will include that in

our

show notes, including all the links to the Nasita National Wildlife

refuge, it's important.

And again, I do think Deb, that most of us in Wisconsin really love our outdoors and we cherish our outdoors.

So you can help by just visiting, right?

Well, that helps

too.

Right.

Before the break, I was getting excited about something that

the Japanese government is doing, they've invested millions of dollars in something called shinrin yoku, which is the Japanese art of forest bathing.

And a doctor has studied, and there's books written about it now, has studied the effects of forest bathing, not

not like doing something necessarily like doing art or although that's all good too.

But just sitting and soaking in a green atmosphere, it reduces your blood pressure, it can help reduce diabetes, it just all sorts of things.

It's just good for you.

It's so good for you.

So they're writing prescriptions, not for drugs, but to go for two weeks to a Shinrin Yoku Center.

go outside

touch grass

and don't do anything else just and notice it feel it what did you hear see feel smell so I when I read about that I did more research and

And I found like, okay, green spaces, offices that have green spaces out their windows have higher productivity.

Like housing projects that have parks and green spaces have less violence.

I mean, there's been studies about this.

So come, come walk at our refuge, look at our website for ways you can volunteer.

We have bees counts and butterfly counts.

And in fall, we have a sandhill crane count.

And we go out on different parts of the property.

And you said,

and you said it's 4,000 acres, 44,

40, almost 44,000 acres.

44,000 acres is incredible.

Right.

So when you come to the seat of there's a quick trip on the corner of 21 and 80 and if you turn north on 80 and go about seven miles, you're about halfway up the refuge.

Wow.

And in some of the refuge roads are difficult and we don't suggest that people go on them.

They're owned by four townships and they don't have the budget to

get

them fixed.

But we're working on it.

We're trying all sorts of things, including

Some like beaver just things that discourage beavers from damming those the rest of the ditches Causes flooding anyway, but if you go up seven miles to what's called sprague There's a sprayed road and that's paved and you can drive a couple miles into the refuge on that road and you come to a parking lot where there is a Viewing platform and kayak launch our friends group one the national friends

group of the year one year and we had written a grant.

Someone from our group wrote a grant and got $25,000 to put in this handicapped accessible fishing place.

Awesome.

Yeah.

And you can drive across the dike there.

There's a dike between goose and sprague pools and you can drive across that dike and that's where you get to the Lupin trail.

It sounds so wonderful.

It sounds wonderful.

And one of the things I

was gonna say, I know, and I know that you'll, you'll want people to post photos and whatnot, but I would also challenge people to go out there and put your phone away and just walk around and take it all in and just allow yourself to be disconnected from.

all of the distractions of your life for even just a 20,

20,

30 minutes.

It sounds, but I always say that was the most Wisconsin way of directions.

You're going to go to the quick trip on 21, hang a ride.

If you've gone seven miles, you've gone too far.

Don't go too far.

You're like, it's

if you hit the church, if you hit the church, you turn

wrong.

Yeah,

exactly.

It's all

quick trips and pick and saves.

Right, then there's only a and that's break.

There's just a hotel bar where you turn so if you pass that you're done You missed it

what we will include all of this contact information Greg will have it in our show notes Which you can always find on our website at civicmedia.us at the very top It says shows click on that go to matinee on air and then we've got at least a hundred

prior

episodes of the show and as I said great They're all dated and everything so if you want to find this information it will be super easy to find

help support the Nasita National Wildlife Refuge either as a volunteer.

I know you're not looking to hire anybody right now.

You only have one person, right?

Who is actually working at the visitor center.

Well, one visitor center manager, but we do have biologists and we have a part-time custodial person, you know, that sort of thing.

But yes, come visit us.

I want to see you three there.

And go to their website and donate if you can.

Absolutely.

It makes a big difference.

Deb Beekler is the vice president of the Friends of Nesita National Wildlife Refuge.

Thank you so much for your time, but Deb, we really, really appreciate it.

Oh, thank you for having me.

Have a great day.

Appreciate it.

And again, thank you to Melissa Kay, our friend and colleague at WFHR for turning us on to this and hooking us up with Deb so we could talk about this.

All right, we have news coming up next.

And then when we return, it's a segment we like to call Audio Sorbet.

We lighten things up a little bit for the last half hour of the show today.

We're gonna talk about yes.

I hate it, but I'll eat it That's coming up so boy.

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We'll wrap up the show with this shouldn't be a thing.

Today it is the ants in your pants edition.

I encourage you to stick around for that.

And just a reminder, today is the last day you are going to hear us at this time.

Where are we going, Jane?

We're moving up an hour.

Oh.

Did no one tell you this?

No one told me.

Starting tomorrow, there is going to be a new lineup across the Civic Media radio network, starting at 5 a.m.

5 a.m.

to 6.

It'll be the Midwest Farm Report with the fabulous farm babe Pam Yankee.

Mornings then with Pat Crite low powered by Up North News from 6 to 9 a.m.

Greg, Calvin and I moving up 9 to 11.

We will be on tomorrow starting tomorrow.

from 9 to 11 a.m.

Tom Hartman takes over from 11 to 2 and then our friend and colleague Todd Alba, 2 to 4, the wonderful Maggie Dawn from 4 to 6, and Pete Schwabba stays in the same slot with Nightlight from 6 to 8 p.m.

Earl Ingram is going to continue doing great work for civic media, including some deeper dives on issues specific to Milwaukee and also podcasts.

And he's going to be working on all kinds of stuff.

So Earl is not going anywhere.

Neither are John and Gordy on WMDX in Madison and Mano and the mayor staying at their home to in Green Bay on WGBW.

But just want to give you a little heads up.

Things going to sound just a little bit different.

tomorrow.

Join us tomorrow starting at 9 a.m.

This is a segment we call Audio Sorbet where we try to lighten things up just a little bit for the last half an hour of the show.

Take a break from the news so we can all take a breath.

Yeah.

And as we were putting the show together this morning, I was whining.

Here's the segment.

Yeah.

I hate it, but I'll eat it.

8-5-5, 7-5-2, 4-8, 4-2.

Yes, I hate it, but I'll eat it.

8-5-5, 7-5-2, 4-8, 4-2.

What is a thing you know you should eat because it's good for you?

And, you know, I think a lot of people, when you ask that question, they might transport back to old, like childhood traumas of...

cod liver oil, like vegetables, and oh, I don't want to eat this and that.

Jane, tell the listening and some of the viewing public, and our viewing public, what was it that was so disgusting for you that you had to eat it?

I had breakfast this morning, and I had

oatmeal.

You didn't, okay, that's not 100% the story.

You didn't just have oatmeal.

You had like maple syrup.

I can't, plain

oatmeal's even worse.

It

was sweet oatmeal for breakfast.

It was maple and honey or something.

If I have to eat plain oatmeal, I'm just gonna throw myself off the tower.

It doesn't taste like a cheese and sausage biscuit,

that's for darn sure.

No, it doesn't, and that's what I would really like for breakfast is that perfectly healthy cheese and sausage biscuit from McDonald's, but I'm trying to eat better.

And I know oatmeal is good for you,

and it's supposed to be

very satisfying,

so

you don't get hungry, you know, for hours and hours and hours.

I'm already hungry.