Something On Which We Can Agree (Hour 1)

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Something On Which We Can Agree (Hour 1)

Matenaer on Air · Fri Apr 11, 2025

Jane Matenaer

Good good morning and welcome welcome to Matt and air on air Jane Matt and air Greg Bach and Calvin Butenoff coming to you live from our studio here at Radio Park in Racine You can always join us caller text the number is the same 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 You can leave a comment if you're watching on the live stream on Facebook YouTube and what used to be Twitter.

It's Friday

That means Dan Shaffer will be here from the Recon Population Area after the 11 o'clock news.

Lots of things to talk about, including the news that just broke yesterday that Ben Wickler is not going to run for reelection to head the Wisconsin Dems.

Greg Bach

Yeah.

Jane Matenaer

Lots of hats going to be getting thrown in the ring,

Greg Bach

I would imagine.

I imagine.

Jane Matenaer

But Ben Wickler has done quite a job in Wisconsin, and I would think he would have many.

opportunities.

Greg Bach

Indeed.

Well, it's going to be interesting to see where Ben takes his career down the next path.

Jane Matenaer

Yeah, absolutely.

So Dan Shaper, we're here after 11 o'clock at 11 30 for our audio store base segment.

There it is.

It's like it follows us now.

It's right.

I like that.

It's kind of like being followed by a cloud of perfume

Greg Bach

or something.

Oh, Dracar, you

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are.

Too much.

It was too heavy.

We're going to talk about things we did when we were younger.

And nope, there's no way I'm doing that now.

No way, no how.

That's coming up after the 1130 news.

Greg Bach

No way, no how.

Jane Matenaer

No way, no how.

And then we will wrap up the show as we always do with this should not be a thing.

Today, it's the Fasten Your Seatbelt edition, so stay tuned for that.

Did want to start off, though, with something on which I would like to think we can all agree.

Greg Bach

Yeah.

I

Jane Matenaer

would like to think

Greg Bach

so.

I would love to.

Jane, yes, I would love to think

Jane Matenaer

this.

We'll throw it out there and see what you think.

This is from Wisconsin Public Radio, Joe Schultz with the byline.

Democratic state lawmakers announced bill to crack down on election bribery in Wisconsin.

It is co-sponsored by two Democrats, including one of them, Lee Snodgrass.

Calvin, we have a clip from Representative Snodgrass.

Can we play that please?

Candidates and issue groups should use the strength of their message to attract voters to their cause, not cash bribes or promises of financial reward.

It is a gross perversion of our democracy and must not be allowed to continue in future elections.

Failing to act is tacit acceptance that our votes are for sale.

Republicans and Democrats alike decry money and influence in our elections.

Rejecting this premise is something members of both parties should be able to agree on.

We are very hopeful that the petition payment prohibition

Act will see widespread support as well as we all seek to remove undue influence and preserve our American democracy.

Greg Bach

Can we all agree on this?

Well actually Jane, yes we can.

There was a poll that was conducted here in Wisconsin by a group called 1960 campaigns.

We have the information a sample size of a little over 150 people and the key takeaway is that 88% of Wisconsinites.

Let's see, I want to read the exact wording of what they say.

88% of Wisconsin voters statewide are extremely concerned or very concerned about the influence of money in politics, 88%.

And that was done via text message and interactive voice calling.

So this is, I mean, this is something my guess is that this group got together right after the election said, Hey, we've heard a lot about the news and it shows it's not everybody in Wisconsin.

It's not.

half of Wisconsin, but 88% of people contacted.

That doesn't mean they contacted 88, I'm sorry, 850 plus Democrats.

They talked to random people.

Right, right.

Jane Matenaer

So 855-752-4842.

Is this something on which we can all agree?

Should we have a special measure to make sure that, I don't know, situation like we just went through?

Elon Musk standing on stage handing out million dollar checks.

And of course, there's always the complaints about George Soros, George Soros, George Soros.

Well, then again, we should all be able to agree on this, because Citizens United, as much as we would like it to, is not going anywhere.

Greg Bach

No, it is not.

And we have made it very, very clear that whether we're talking about George Soros, Elon Musk, the E-Lines, the Hendricks, we don't want any of their money here.

Jane Matenaer

Well, not to the extent that they're dumping it in.

Exactly.

I mean, come on.

Greg Bach

Yeah, it's...

Nothing It's a nothing expenditure to them.

These are people who it's point zero zero whatever of their personal wealth That says something to me where it's like if it's an if I'm giving a thousand dollars to a candidate myself That means I really believe in that candidate because that's a junk, but you know

$10 million, and that's just sort of like, ah, just take it.

10 million, 20 million.

Take it out of the French cheese budget.

It doesn't matter.

So then they shouldn't be a part of it then.

Jane Matenaer

8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.

Do we agree that there needs to be a clampdown on big money in Wisconsin elections from both sides, from all sides?

Yup.

Yup.

Yes.

I don't, I don't see why this.

This wouldn't be like we're all going, yes.

Cindy from Appleton is on the line.

Good morning, Cindy.

Thank you so much for joining us.

What do you think about this?

Well, first of all, I heard that Elon Musk hasn't paid out anybody yet that he said he was going to, which I think there should be a law against that.

If you're going to make bribes, you should at least come through with them anyway.

Jane Matenaer

Absolutely.

I think

that we can put that as an

Jane Matenaer

addendum.

Cindy will put that as an addendum onto this measure.

Yeah, but I'm all for it.

The only thing is,

If we're going to do this, we cannot have somebody like we have in the White House right now who doesn't abide by the Constitution or the constitutional laws.

So I'm all for it as long as it's going to be enforced on both sides.

Jane Matenaer

Absolutely.

I agree with you completely.

Thank you, Cindy.

Really appreciate it.

This bill is aimed at tightening Wisconsin's election bribery laws in the wake of the record-setting state Supreme Court election that saw billionaire Elon Musk

handing out a pair of $1 million checks, which, as Cindy just said, we're not sure if that's been paid out yet.

But

Greg Bach

yeah.

Let's also not forget who one of those checks went to.

Jane Matenaer

It was a Republican operative.

Greg Bach

Yeah.

So, I mean, come on,

Jane Matenaer

man.

Wisconsin's most recent state Supreme Court race was the most expensive on record.

The Brennan Center for Justice tracked more than $100 million of spending on the race.

Some 46 million backing Judge Susan Crawford, about 54 million

supporting conservative judge Brad Schimmel.

And as we said, state representatives Lee Snodgrass and Ahmad Rivera-Wagner announced that bill in a press conference yesterday morning.

While election bribery is illegal in Wisconsin, supposedly, lawmakers say they want to tighten the language in state law to stop billionaires from finding loopholes.

They also said Elon tried to circumvent the law

by paying people for signing a petition.

Greg Bach

That's what my thought was always.

Jane Matenaer

There's a lot of verbal gymnastics, I guess you could say, in getting around some of the laws that already exist.

Greg Bach

Yeah.

I mean, he made it a sweepstakes.

That's what he made a contest.

And that was the thing where everyone, when people were screaming, this is illegal, this isn't fair.

If he's just making a contest, there's nothing we could, he's not saying vote for Schimel.

He never said that.

The one thing, you know, when you're that rich, you have probably a, you know, a walkie-chase amount of lawyers working for

Jane Matenaer

you.

So

Greg Bach

they're going to find the language that will make it legal and you're not going to jail, but it's also highly unethical.

And just let's also not forget how much of that money was probably given to Brad Schimel's campaign and he lost by 10 points.

That says something about Wisconsin.

That 88% of the people polled said that there's a problem with money in campaigning here in the state.

We didn't like it.

Nope.

Jane Matenaer

We didn't like it.

Snodgrass says the Petition Payment Prohibition Act will expand election bribery to include payments offered in exchange for signing political petitions during an election period.

And that was Elon's thing.

You sign this petition against activist judges.

and then you could win, or then you got $100, right?

Greg Bach

Yes, and he did, well, there was a $100 thing, there was a $20 thing, and then he was paying people $25 to knock on doors.

But he did something like this.

similar in the campaign, the presidential election too.

You click on something and you say you're going to, you, you support the first and second amendment.

Hey, we're going to give you some money and people lost their minds for that too.

It's like, yeah, it's a sweepstakes.

That's all it is.

And, and yeah, I want to see if those gigantic checks cleared.

Jane Matenaer

I'm curious what you feel about this.

Is this something on which we can agree in Wisconsin?

And I don't, I don't know why this would be bad.

Greg Bach

We have people who listen to the show who disagree with us.

We see you in the comments on the live streams.

This is one thing.

Please let us know.

Do you like this?

Okay.

This is, I'm, we were coming from a nonpartisan, right down the metal.

Do you have a problem with this kind of money being a hundred million dollars for a state supreme court race?

Think of all the good that that money could have done a hundred million dollars.

That record, please don't break that next time.

That's all I asked.

But yeah, I want to hear from.

Jane Matenaer

Alicia on the live stream says I agree with this 100%.

Both are reps from Northeastern Wisconsin.

Cassandra says the fact that we need to even do this is ridiculous.

It should be common sense.

Money equals influence.

I would agree with you that it's common sense Cassandra, but the Supreme Court decided that money equals speech.

And companies are people.

Right.

Corporations are people.

That's working out so well.

Greg Bach

So weird.

Jane Matenaer

Lee Snodgrass called on both political parties to come together to tighten Wisconsin's election bribery laws, saying there's widespread support for removing undue influence from elections.

I think this would be a good thing.

It's a good starting point.

Again, we can't, we're not, I'd love to see Citizens United overturned with the makeup of the court right now.

And if Trump gets to a point,

one or two more justices, that's never going to change.

Greg Bach

Yeah.

And also remember too, like something like this gets put into action, it levels the playing field even more for individuals like ourselves to run for office, because one of the things that people are really afraid of is like, I got to raise all that money, maybe make it a little easier to make our voices be heard if you want to run for an office, especially, especially something within the state like assembly or state, state Senate, that's,

Jane Matenaer

I would also, I wish we could also see,

a limit on the amount of time that they can could campaign they have a little bit my husband is English we talk about this

Greg Bach

all the time

Jane Matenaer

and You know in England, it's like three and a half weeks and

Greg Bach

it's done and isn't it like 24 hours before the election?

There's no there's not allowed there's no campaigning.

There's no campaign.

No talk.

No nothing.

Oh my god.

I know just imagine how freeing that would be part of my brain just relaxed that sounds amazing

Jane Matenaer

Not what we have right now.

No, but anyway, this is

a measure that was introduced yesterday.

We will see what this happens if it even moves forward in the Wisconsin legislature.

And I would be very curious.

I want to see who comes out against it.

I want to see who's going to step out and say, no, this is terrible.

This is a bad idea.

Greg Bach

This is a suppression of speech.

Right.

Citizens United says that corporations and money are speech.

You cannot suppress speech.

First

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amendment.

We can't be cutting off the speech of all those billion and billionaires.

Hey, Axon has something to say.

I know they do.

Coming up, Brad needs a job.

I got some suggestions for him.

That's coming up next.

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This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

We'll be right back.

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Jane Matenaer

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But Jane... No, lazy young men playing video games on couches.

Bad news coming your way.

That's coming up after the 1030 news right now though Daniel Bice in today's Milwaukee Journal Sentinel has a column after election loss Brad Schimmel Says he's eyeing Trump appointed US attorney job Unsuccessful Supreme Court candidate Brad Schimmel And current still judge by the way and still walkershaw County judge, but his term ends July 31st after six and a half years on the bench

He was elected so handily to that, oh wait.

Brett Schimmel got that job as a Waukesha County judge as a parting gift from outgoing Governor Scott Walker.

Greg Bach

Because he was the former AG of Wisconsin as well.

Jane Matenaer

Yes he was.

Just

Greg Bach

failing back and forth into jobs.

Jane Matenaer

He landed the job when then Governor Scott Walker appointed him to the vacant post after Schimmel lost his bid for attorney reelection bid for attorney general.

in 2018, Walker and Schimmel even worked out the deal without Brad Schimmel even having to apply for the job.

Greg Bach

Not nice.

Well, I mean, that's what I've come to know of Scooter Walker is like what Daniel Kelly got on the Supreme Court.

the Wisconsin Supreme Court through nefarious deal.

He applied and he was nowhere near qualified for that job.

Scott Walker just loves to make people judges and the law is, you know, have a job, Jane.

I told about these

Jane Matenaer

deals.

Yeah.

And I'm not saying it's not just Republicans that

Greg Bach

do this.

There is

Jane Matenaer

a there is a new series on Netflix called The Residence.

Greg Bach

Yes, I love it,

Jane Matenaer

which is really great if you haven't checked it out yet.

But there is double dealing going on in the background.

Democrats, independents, Republicans, all of them.

Greg Bach

We said yesterday in the light of the crash of the economy, or the crash of the stock market, to be clear.

And then the super-duper rise.

Let's take a look at the portfolios of all the people in Congress.

Jane Matenaer

Absolutely, both all sides.

Steve from Milwaukee texting in says, Jeffrey says, announced a probe on insider trading.

Who has?

Hakeem Jeffries.

Greg Bach

Oh, Hakeem.

Oh, there is.

As

Jane Matenaer

announced the probe on insider

Greg Bach

trading,

Jane Matenaer

I would love to see that.

I would love to see something happen with that, whether or not that's actually going to move forward.

Because again, there are Democrats who do it too.

Nancy Pelosi is one of the wealthiest members of Congress.

I think she's number two.

Greg Bach

Yeah, it's there, there.

And I mean, Ron Johnson said it outright in an event, since becoming a senator, his wealth has doubled.

take these jobs that pay $174,000 a year.

Not a bad, not a bad junk of change for most of us.

I would absolutely take, right?

But then they walk out there being like, you know, they may have a million, $2 million, they're successful business people, but they walk out of Congress or the Senate and they're like worth 10, 20, 30, $100 million.

Oh

Jane Matenaer

yeah.

Greg Bach

So when's, how about this?

When's my turn?

Scott Walker, can you give me something?

Jane Matenaer

Gotta do my favor first.

Do my favor first.

Brett Schimmel wrote to the journal Sentinel apparently, I am interested in the U.S.

Attorney appointments.

I have some private sector offers, but my preference is to continue in public service.

So he can keep trying to run for judge.

Well, we've heard so much about people sucking off the government.

Right eat the government teeth.

Yes sucking on the government teeth not working in the private sector Relying on the government That seems to be a pattern life long

Greg Bach

Politicians seriously.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's got Walker Scott Walker has no nerve ever just no no he can never say that

Jane Matenaer

he never worked in the private sector He's still not working in the private sector

Greg Bach

It's just

Jane Matenaer

Good job.

You can

Greg Bach

get

Jane Matenaer

it if your buddy has connections But the job that Brad shimmel apparently would like is now being filled in a temporary basis by Richard frailing He's been a first assistant US attorney in the Milwaukee office since 2015 Republican Ron Johnson and Democrats at that Tammy Baldwin soon will be setting up a bipartisan nominating commission

to accept and vet applications for this job, which is based in Madison.

Biden's nominee for the Western District never got confirmed by the U.S.

Senate after Ron Johnson switched his position and that wouldn't confirm her.

Yeah.

The commission will then forward names of the qualified candidates to Ron Johnson and Tammy Baldwin.

They send the names of their joint recommendations to Trump.

Trump then makes his pick.

Let's see if it's become between a Republican and Democrat.

I

Greg Bach

think we

Jane Matenaer

know who Donald Trump would

Greg Bach

pick.

I am I would pay money to the charity of your choice to see Ron Johnson and Tammy Baldwin in a room discussing U. S attorney picks Jim on Jim listening in Brookfield on It texted and as well.

I said Supreme Court Justice Rebecca Bradley owes her career to Scott Walker appointments as both a judge and the Supreme Court.

Jane Matenaer

Yeah There's lots of favors.

Yeah, there's so many favors that go on and that's why

even this week when they were debating the budget in the house, which eventually passed, and we had those couple of holdouts.

Yeah, they hold out until they go behind closed doors and somebody offers them something.

And then all of a sudden they're all on board.

Greg Bach

Oh, we talked it out.

It all makes sense.

I mean, I will, and we'll talk about this in probably in the next week or so, you know, Derek Van Orden's freak out over snap benefits in the budget and how it won't go down a single nickel.

It's going to probably go down like five, 10, 20 nickels, but yeah.

He voted for it.

Jane Matenaer

He did.

Greg Bach

Yeah.

Jane Matenaer

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Jane Matenaer

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I know.

Greg Bach

And here's the thing is, I'm there with you.

Anyone who's ever listened to this show for more than, say, 10 minutes has heard me trip over almost every other word I say.

So I'm there with you.

Get your coffee soon, hopefully.

Jane Matenaer

I'm having a medical thing.

And I'm having a heart scan to make sure I still have one.

And they won't let you have any coffee beforehand.

And I don't have that much coffee, usually.

I have a cup and a half.

Greg Bach

You're not a huge coffee drinker.

Jane Matenaer

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That was the point.

We're going to get to young men laying on couches, being the bane of our society in just a minute.

But Lou Ann Bird is joining us on the phone right now.

Good morning, Lou Ann.

You were out in DC, is that correct?

I was, yes.

And, uh, hot off the plane.

I just got off the plane.

Oh, wow.

So I'm glad that I can talk about this experience because it was quite enlightening.

I had never lobbied on the, um, I've never lobbied on, um, Capitol Hill before.

So this was all new.

Oh, yeah.

This was all new.

And it was great.

Jane Matenaer

What group did you go with and what were you lobbying on behalf of?

Well, it was FairShare America.

And so it was about the reallocation of the tax plan.

And I didn't really understand it all until now.

But I always knew that we were having a problem with getting the...

Hold on one second.

We have a problem with taxing the rich and not.

Not taxing.

Off the bat to the poor.

Right.

Sorry, it was going out right.

So I was able to go there and learn about the tax plan and then meet with my representative about how to, how to, what we can do about this because it's the biggest dichotomy was the fact that here we are.

I'm in their offices.

We are talking about, we're talking about these programs and we're here to complain about the tax plan, how it affects the poor and how they're going to have to find all this money because they are lowering the tax rate for the highest income people.

And then at the same time, they're cutting dosing.

I even got representative styles office aid to say, yeah, that what the president is doing is really illegal.

there's like they're going about it as business as usual and it's not you know I think that was the most baffling thing for me business as usual and it's not right so the experience of going there and then you know we got to meet with the representative and then I went back and in the hallway and then into Brian's style you know all he did was you know the tracking points

But he's angry, I could spend a great half an hour with him.

So that was good.

And I think, you know, looking back, it's helpful.

I don't get the sense that being there influenced them at all.

Jane Matenaer

I'm sure

it

Jane Matenaer

didn't.

Not at all.

Jane Matenaer

Yeah.

But I think it's helpful to come back here now and tell them what we're seeing and what they said and what we learned.

So it was a great experience.

I'm telling you, there were people there.

Medicaid is probably one of the biggest fears.

Medical research, there were doctors that showed up talking about how all of these, all of the findings around healthcare, around Alzheimer's research and brain damage, you know, when you have a brain injury, they are making all these strides and all that research is coming to an end.

So it's very serious what's going on.

And I am so glad that I could take my fight to DC.

And now I feel like I'm armed and ready to bring it back here and make sure that constituents in our district know what's going on, particularly by the next election.

But really, we've got to work hard before that.

We've got to make sure that Brian Stile knows what's going on.

And the damage they're doing.

Jane Matenaer

You did actually talk to Brian Stile?

But but you said all he had was was talking points

You know, I said to him, you know, I'm here I told him about my husband and he oh, this is good for your listening He assured me and so does his office that if these those cuts are affecting us that We can contact his office.

He will open the case and he will check on that So there's a real sort of disconnect here between what?

the president is doing in what our legislators are telling us.

Jane Matenaer

Well, but I find it also, I find it interesting also, Luanne, that does that mean that every constituent who is affected by these Medicaid cuts now has to travel to Washington to see Brian's style personally.

So he'll look into it.

That doesn't seem very reassuring.

No, and I don't think that would even help.

But what you can do, you've got to go online or you've got to call his office and ask them to open a case.

That's how it works.

So what they're saying is they will protect.

My question was always, how come our Congress people are standing up for the programs they've already approved?

And it's just, does it make sense to me?

They're not.

So what they're going to do though, they're allowing this does happen, all of these government efficiency cuts to happen, but then they're going to come back up and try to help those of us that are.

bold enough, brave enough to contact his office and demand our service back.

So we got to be really bold and really brave right now.

Jane Matenaer

I appreciate that, Luanne.

I bet it was a really interesting, interesting experience.

I would love the opportunity to go along with some, just to get into Congress and kind of get a feel of how things work.

Dr. Kristen Lyrely was out there not too long ago, also with a lobbying group.

And in her experience, at least, there was a lot of running away involved.

Sounded like to me.

Yeah, there were a lot of like when we walked in the representative styles office, I just didn't get the sense they were excited to see.

We had a message and we were, you know, and I got to give Austin his legislative aid a lot of credit.

Jane Matenaer

Yeah, those kids.

The AIDS and stuff.

And thank you so much, Luanne.

Really appreciate you joining us right after you got off the plane.

You had sent us an email earlier this morning, so I appreciate your time this morning.

But legislative aides do a lot of work, and they're not making big bank.

Greg Bach

Some of them are making no bank whatsoever, too.

So that's why we always say when you do call, when you do reach out to your representatives and you're talking to someone on the phone, you're not talking to Brian Stile

Jane Matenaer

or

Greg Bach

Ron Johnson, you're talking to someone

who

Jane Matenaer

is some

Greg Bach

25 year old who may be making no money.

So be nice, be respectful and just, you know, state your,

Jane Matenaer

state

Greg Bach

your point, point and move on.

Yeah.

Jane Matenaer

Appreciate it.

Leland.

Thank you so very much.

And again, I would love the opportunity to go along.

It's pretty cool there.

I bet it is.

It's very interesting.

It's just to get into the halls.

There's a, there's an underground train.

I under, I've heard that.

Yeah.

All right.

Um,

Going back to young lazy men on couches.

Greg Bach

You're listening young lazy men Calvin.

You don't talk find your people

Jane Matenaer

You're not

Greg Bach

you're

Jane Matenaer

not

Greg Bach

attention.

You're also not lazy

Jane Matenaer

speaking speaker of the house Mike Johnson is now blaming young men playing video games instead of working as he defends the GOP plan to gut Medicaid Slashing what Democrats say is 880 billion dollars

from this health program.

Medicaid provides medical care to one in five Americans.

And now they're all saying, because they passed this budget yesterday, they passed it last night.

And they're all saying, no, no, no, we're not going to cut Medicaid.

They're not going to touch it.

We're never going to touch it.

But mathematically, from what I have read, in order to achieve these huge

reductions in federal spending, they're going to have to touch some of these programs.

That simply is the reality of math,

Greg Bach

which they knew all this time.

It's going to be their thin defense.

And I mentioned it earlier, we'll talk about more in the coming weeks.

But Derek Van Orden, Congressman of the Third District said, Medicaid won't go down a nickel.

And that Democrats were

lying about it.

He was pretty loud about that.

But he voted for a budget that may have not stated it outright, but will eventually seek to defund or lessen the funding of Medicaid.

And that's the word of the congressman right there.

Jane Matenaer

Speaker Mike Johnson says no one has talked about cutting one benefit in Medicaid to anyone who's duly owed.

What is that?

What we're talking about is returning work requirements.

So you don't have able-bodied young men on a program designed for single mothers and the elderly and disabled.

Johnson blames what he suggests is a large number of male gamers on Medicaid who are draining resources.

Greg Bach

I'm sorry, when did Mike Johnson turn into our dad?

Get off the couch!

Get a job!

Jane Matenaer

What?

But here's another quote that just makes me go, hmm, we have a lot of fraud, waste and abuse and Medicaid.

Just one tiny example, the estimate is $51 billion a year in Medicaid is lost to fraud.

That's unconscionable.

That is horrific.

Where is it?

Where is the fraud?

Where is the abuse?

Show me the people who are doing this.

They've said the same thing.

about so many things.

The whole doge thing is we found all these savings.

We found all this fraud.

And because we found all this fraud, we saved all this money.

Fraud is a criminal act.

So if they are finding all of this fraud, then where is the legal part of it?

Well, the other question I'd say is he said 58,

Greg Bach

how

Jane Matenaer

much?

51

Greg Bach

billion a

Jane Matenaer

year.

51 billion is fraud.

Is lost to fraud in

Greg Bach

Medicaid every year.

My first question is yes, show your work, but also how much is, I'm trying to find here, how much is paid out in Medicaid a year period?

That seems like a lot.

That seems like more than just lazy gamers on

Jane Matenaer

coaches.

Yeah, it really does.

Yeah.

But again,

I'm all about finding fraud.

I'm all about identifying abuse.

But don't just come out and say, I know instinctively that fraud is happening, that $51 billion worth of fraud is happening.

Just like I know in my heart, Greg, that millions and millions of illegals are voting.

Greg Bach

Yes, they're voting right now, actually.

They're voting right this moment.

Jane Matenaer

Even though there's

Greg Bach

no

Jane Matenaer

election.

Exactly.

Yes, they're constantly voting.

Yes.

Yeah, don't please just don't come out and say, we know this intuitively.

We just know it.

Greg Bach

Well, and that's the thing too, is they love to say fraud, fraud, fraud.

And as you just mentioned too, there's going to come a time where someone on their side is going to say, all right, who's getting prosecuted?

Exactly.

Who's at least, at the very least, is going to sit in front of a Senate subcommittee on finance and say, to say, hey, we've got this information, this evidence, I'm sorry, evidence, the air quotes are doing heavy lifting here.

Answer for your crimes.

But no, it's just because you can easily just say,

numbers and walk away and no one says, well, where did you get that from?

Jane Matenaer

Well, I know into Mike Johnson knows in his heart, Greg.

His heart is an economist.

He just exactly is an economic heart.

Gene, I see you on the line.

We're coming up against the break.

We will take you when we get back and we're going to talk about Wisconsin's Republican delegations.

How do they feel about all this tariff stuff going on?

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That's going to be a 2.30.

And then at three o'clock today with Maggie, this is a great segment.

It's called Ask Maggie.

Yes, it's wonderful.

She

Greg Bach

answers

Jane Matenaer

everything she does.

And she's the woman is.

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She really does.

I mean, she's lived all over the world.

She's done all kinds of different things.

And so check out Maggie's show today from two to four right here on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Right before we went to break, we were talking about a speaker of the house, Mike Johnson, essentially blaming 51 billion dollars worth of Medicaid fraud on lazy young men playing video games on couches.

Gene from Eau Claire has been waiting.

Thank you for your patience, Gene.

What do you want to say about this?

Great show as always.

The biggest fraudsters, wasters, and accusers of taxpayer dollars and time are those sitting in those Republican seats in our Congress and our Senate and in our state.

These people shall blame

on everybody but themselves.

They never do any work and this is my personal opinion based on watching these gay hoos run our country.

So people watch live contact your representatives and the kids that work in the office are really nice.

So they do a good job and it's not their fault.

It's preface what I'm going to say before I say it that this doesn't include you.

I'll tell you, this is so sick.

Those people, we need to get them out.

We gotta vote them out.

But anyway, you guys have a great weekend and thank you so much for all you do.

Bye.

Jane Matenaer

Thank you so much, Jean.

Really, really appreciate it.

You are a dear... I think it would be a really interesting practice since Elon, when he first became co-president, was all about telling federal employees that they had to report to him five things they did that week.

Greg Bach

Yeah.

Jane Matenaer

I think we should, why shouldn't we be able to require that from our elected officials?

Greg Bach

Name

Jane Matenaer

five things you did on behalf of your constituents this week.

And one of them does not, the pancake breakfasts do

Greg Bach

not count.

No, that doesn't

Jane Matenaer

count.

That actually doesn't count.

I would like to know what one thing Ron Johnson has accomplished on behalf of his constituents.

He did have one good program from a couple of years ago that I believe started under COVID.

That's the only thing I can think of that he's ever done for his constituents here.

Greg Bach

Yeah.

I mean, most of them, that's, we saw that a lot with the, when the gerrymandered maps were still in a, in fact, we saw a lot of politicians who didn't need to work, didn't really need to put in the effort because their seats were safe.

And Ron Johnson, I mean, he's won three times now.

And where's Tony weed?

Where, besides yelling at people, where's Derek Van Orton?

No farm, but like these guys just are not responsible for any actions and are in action really when it comes down to it.

I also looked it up and I got a very concerned figure that said $880 billion is spent in Medicaid.

So Mike Johnson's claim that roughly like 7% of it is

Fraud?

Fine.

Okay, cool.

Where is it?

Then find it and prosecute it.

And at that level, as you mentioned to Jane before, is like, that's not lazy young men playing video games.

Those are highly organized schemes to try to scam Medicaid.

Jane Matenaer

And that's what somebody on the text line said too.

As far as the fraud that is happening with Medicaid, what about unethical doctors?

Yeah.

We just talked about the guy who lost his house in Fox Point, or River Hills.

Fox Point or River Hills, one of the two.

The North Shore

Greg Bach

area.

Yeah, a

Jane Matenaer

very, uh, Tony, uh, place.

And he had a scheme working with rehab places and urine tests.

And they, they were scamming the government.

So.

If you're going to track down people like that and hold them accountable, I think that's great.

If there are $51 billion worth of young video playing men sitting on couches who are defrauding Medicaid, go get them.

That's great.

I just would like to see the process play out instead of just, as you said, coming out in front of a microphone and dropping this number and then walking away.

Greg Bach

Thanks, everybody.

I helped.

I'm out of here.

Jane Matenaer

Take care.

Cassandra from New London is on the line.

Good morning, Cassandra.

What do you want to say about this?

I just heard you guys mentioned Tony Weed's name and just wanted to remind people that we're having that nice little town hall that he's invited to.

That's

Jane Matenaer

right.

That's the Depeer Community Center.

It's at 6.

Jane Matenaer

Tonight?

Dr. Lyrely is going to be there.

Yep, it's tonight.

It's at the Depeer Community Center.

It's at 6 p.m.

We invited him.

and not really hopeful that he'll show up

Jane Matenaer

but

we're going to be there.

I also wanted to share some really like awesome news too.

We had a nice gathering of people here in New London to support a lot of the Haitian immigrants that were under threat of being deported in a couple weeks and the court's decision just came down

that they are putting a halt to the termination of those visas.

Jane Matenaer

That's wonderful.

That's

great.

They are safe, but again, you know, the appeals process

Jane Matenaer

and

everything

Jane Matenaer

like that.

That's great news, Cassandra.

We're really excited.

Jane Matenaer

Yeah, that's great.

And Emily Zephos is going to be joining us on Monday to talk about that specifically.

But that's good news.

But as you said, we'll have to wait and see now what happens with appeals and the whole court process.

Thank you so much, Cassandra.

Really appreciate that update.

If you're in the new London area,

take a flat Tony and go to the and go to the town hall

Greg Bach

if you're in new London say hi to my

Jane Matenaer

uncle Charlie

Greg Bach

Bach he lives

Jane Matenaer

there do that too news is coming up next and when we return Dan Schaefer will be here so we can recombobulate you're listening to Matt Nair on air on the vast statewide country wide we're even global on the app civic media radio network