1000 Points, In 30 Minutes (Hour 1)

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1000 Points, In 30 Minutes (Hour 1)

Matenaer on Air · Thu Apr 10, 2025

Jane Matt Nair

Good morning.

Welcome.

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Lots of things coming up on the show for you today.

Jim Santel, our friend and colleague and host of Amicus, a law review.

Saturdays 9 to 11 across the network is going to be joining us at 10 33 as he does every Thursday now to talk about There's a lot of things to talk about.

There's always a lot of things to

Greg Bach

talk

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about with Jim.

Yes some legal things that the Trump administration is doing that raising some eyebrows No, oh, yes, so we will be talking to Jim Santel about that next hour right after the 11 o'clock news Derek van Orden Wisconsin's own

back in the news.

What

Greg Bach

did Pat call him last year?

Professional.

Oh, no, that was Eric Hovey, but still it applies.

Professional rake stepper.

Jane Matt Nair

Rake

Greg Bach

stepper.

Yeah, doesn't seem to have heard him though.

Jane Matt Nair

No, never.

Not so far.

No.

But yeah, Derek Van Orden is back in the news.

So we're going to give you a little update on his latest outburst and then do just a recap of his greatest hits.

I think it's worth reminding Wisconsinites, what kind of representatives we have.

Unknown Speaker

Yeah.

Jane Matt Nair

Being the face of Wisconsin so that will happen after the 11 o'clock news We will lighten it up then with britney merlot civic media meteorologist for a little weather and wine Find out what's gonna be coming our way nice weather is gonna come you promise some time Eventually sure and then Paul noonan will be here the acne packing company sports guru to talk all things sports at 11 33 will wrap it up as we always do with this shouldn't be a thing

Take me to your leader edition.

You'll want to stick around for that.

There's a visual element to today's tizbet that's worth.

It's going to be worth taking a look at.

Be prepared.

Yeah, it's you know, we wanted to start off though.

And bouncing around a lot kind of whiplash.

You mean kids running down the beach having a good time?

No, I'm talking about the Dow.

Oh, here is the headline from CNBC.

Dow falls 1000 points.

as tariff sell-off resumes after historic rally.

Of course, the market crashed yesterday.

Like a series of days.

Crash upon crash upon crash.

And then, of course, depending upon apparently which political party you belong to, either Trump blinked or he's a very stable genius.

Greg Bach

He's playing 3D chess,

Jane Matt Nair

man.

Right.

Right.

But again, there was a rally then after he announced four hours later that the majority of the tariffs will be on a hold for 90 days.

Everyone except China.

Yeah, except for China.

And then still for 10% across the board.

So there was a big rally yesterday after these huge, huge losses.

And now, yep.

It's, they have the stock markets down across the board.

Greg Bach

A thousand points.

The Dow is right now almost 953.19.

I liked yesterday what people were saying.

If you, if you believe that he's a stable genius playing all the cards and the art of the deal, they were saying things like, how's your 401k now?

It's like, well, the Dow like a month ago was at like 43, 44,000.

So not so good.

And a thousand, a thousand up fine, but now we've lost that.

So,

Stop acting like you're all economists.

Jane Matt Nair

Well, and it's not even all of his There's a Fox News business people who are weighing in on this who are not necessarily going along with the party line Fox business correspondent Charlie guest burino explained President Trump paused most of his tariffs on other countries because the bond markets specifically were imploding Now neither of us are economists.

Yeah

And we are going to find one who can explain all of this.

But this is what Gasparino said on Fox News.

I want to tell you right now that Donald Trump is smart of the world out smart of the world.

Trust me.

I'm an American.

I support my president.

But that is not what happened here.

Yeah.

I'd love to say he outsmarted the world.

But that is not what happened here.

Unknown Speaker

Yeah.

Jane Matt Nair

What happened in the bond market overnight the spike in yields on the 30 year in the 10-year bond Showed that people were dumping our bonds and from what I understand.

This is what forced the hand of this 90-day tariff Reprieve from blink Martindale Yeah,

Greg Bach

it

Jane Matt Nair

blinked it's the bond markets and the sort of lending markets That's the plumbing of the economy and those markets were imploding last night

And that's now why we have a 90 day freeze.

Greg Bach

Yeah.

I mean, it's like you said before, we're going to find someone who can really explain this and lay it out and wait in terms that we can all understand.

Exactly.

But I mean, this is what happens when you make huge announcements like this with no real reason.

You want to, you want to impose tariffs?

Fine.

You want to mass deport?

Fine.

You want to do all these things?

Fine.

But.

take some time to do some studies, take some time to find the information and then implement them over time.

And the market will maybe react poorly, but it will adjust.

But day after day of crash, and then you get one good day, and then everyone has the, not everyone, but the supporters of the nerve be like, we'll look at it now.

That's not how they work.

Also, just, I don't want to start like conspiracy theorists.

I'd also like to check the portfolios of many members of Congress and-

Jane Matt Nair

Absolutely.

And I'm

Greg Bach

talking both parties

Jane Matt Nair

by the buy.

Absolutely.

Because, of course, Donald Trump said yesterday, now's a great time to buy.

On his truth social website, he talked about buying his own stock.

Yeah, now's a great time to buy my stock because the prices were crashing.

Yep.

And then four hours later, 90-day reprieve on these tariffs and the market rebounds.

So as Steve from Milwaukee just texted in, Adam Schiff is investigating insider trading short-term buys before Trump announced the delay in tariffs.

Greg Bach

I saw it in another story where they were writing about this from yesterday and they said that Martha Stewart went to jail for less than this.

Far less.

Yeah.

Right now the Trump stock is, the Trump stock crashed to 19, to 19 point.

It was, it was at 50 at one.

Jane Matt Nair

It's

Greg Bach

now at 19.

That was a

Jane Matt Nair

great time to buy.

Greg Bach

think he I think to a certain point they knew what they were doing to make their buddies money but like this yeah this is not this is once again not 3d chess this is

Jane Matt Nair

he was in the oval office this morning yeah saying my buddy over there made two million dollars my buddy over there yesterday made three million dollars

Greg Bach

no no no they he said he made

$2 billion

Jane Matt Nair

and

Greg Bach

$999.

And I will find that video.

We couldn't play the video here because it was just

Jane Matt Nair

too- The

Greg Bach

sound is not good.

But it will be in the show notes to show that he knew exactly what the outcome could be because he's not dumb there.

But this was a fleecing of our stock market and your 401Ks are being held hostage.

Jane Matt Nair

Absolutely.

Supporters of the president who spent over a week defending his tariffs plans only to suffer whiplash.

After the 180 he pulled yesterday, now ridiculed by a conservative columnist on MSNBC, this is a conservative, Matt Lewis, who is laughing off attempts to spin this pause of 90 days as a planned move demonstrating the president's brilliance.

Here is what Lewis said, quote, Congress should be in charge of tariffs.

And if they want to regain that power, this could be done more strategically.

and less capriciously.

And that's what we saw.

Trump's defenders want to say this part.

This is part of the art of the deal.

This is actually the art of the panic attack.

Greg Bach

Jennifer Rainer on the text line, listen, WFHR, she said they aren't playing chess.

They are playing monopoly

Jane Matt Nair

with our money with our hard earned money.

Absolutely.

It's going to be interesting days ahead.

Yeah.

Greg Bach

It's going to be difficult.

Jane Matt Nair

It's going to be difficult.

Absolutely.

Greg Bach

The sooner we all realize, and some of you all come to the realization that you voted for him, whatever that's in the past, but you are being lied to right now.

And the sooner you realize that, as Will Westmoreland said to us weeks ago, the sooner you could admit and realize and admit that you have been lied to, the quicker we can work together.

Because this is our money that all of us have worked so hard for over the next, because none of us, Jane, are you a billionaire?

Uh, when I checked yesterday, that would be, um, no.

Hey, Calvin Buhnhoff, Calbee, a quick question for you.

Are you a billionaire?

Um, not quite.

Yeah.

So I don't, and I don't think they're in the room right now.

I'm pretty sure that we're going to be the one suffering the most through this.

So.

Oh

Jane Matt Nair

yeah.

It's us little people.

Yep.

It's always us little people.

The ultra wealthy, they're all going to be just fine.

They'll afford that six boat.

They still need a tax cut though.

They still need a tax cut.

You are right.

I am.

I am sorry.

Right.

I am sorry.

Apologize to the elder wealthy very briefly before we go to the break.

I found this from the Daily Show.

Yes.

And it's a little explainer.

If you watch a particular network, you tend to get different news.

As opposed to what's actually happening in the world.

So, Calvin, let's play this clip from the Daily Show.

as they explain what's happening with the markets.

Finance Fan from Daily Show Clip

Yo, what's up?

Finance fan, a lot of volatility in the stock market this week, so I'm hopping on here to help people who only watch Fox News understand what's happening in the market.

Let's get started.

Real simple formula.

When the stock market is down, Fox News only covers trans people playing sports.

That's how you know we're bleeding red.

I've looked at thousands of hours of this, and let me give you a tip.

The more obscure the sport, the worse the market is doing.

If they're covering a trans swimmer in the NCAA, normal market territory, no need to panic.

But this week,

We got a trans-fencer at the Cherry Blossom Tournament in Maryland.

Jane Matt Nair

A lot

Finance Fan from Daily Show Clip

of Fox coverage on this, which means the Dow is down a full.

4%.

But just yesterday, they're covering a trans athlete playing disc golf.

That's a pretty obscure sport.

It's iPhone footage, there's Frisbees, 7% market dip, minimum.

Doesn't stop there.

The market's got worse.

We got trans pool players and not swimming pools, like pool table pools, like what you find in bars or rich kids' basements.

That means 9% dip.

But wait, this was in the UK.

This is an obscure sport, not in America.

We're down 12%.

Can it get worse?

Yes, the footage

from six months ago.

What?

That's a minimum 15% dip bear market territory.

If you see Fox News covering a trans person kicking a hacky sack, the market is cratering.

20% dip.

In France, 30% dip.

The footage is from two years ago, full blown depression.

Stay smart out there, folks.

Jane Matt Nair

It's a great clip.

We'll include that in the show notes if you would like to take a look.

But yes, depending on which outlet you watch, you might be seeing things

Strangely, covered a little bit differently.

Because when the stock market's crashing like that, what they do is they, for you, the viewer, they just take the information off the screen, too.

Right.

As opposed to if it were under Biden or any Democrat, and this was happening with the stock market, that would be 24-7 on Fox News.

We have a break coming up when we return some disturbing news about a former Milwaukee police officer that's all on the way.

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We're not going to have a whole lot of time to explore this.

It is something we will look at.

more deeply in the future.

But here's the headline from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

They gay Venezuelan stylist sent to Salvadoran prison after a disgraced Milwaukee cops report.

A former Milwaukee cop with credibility issues helped seal the fate of a gay Venezuelan makeup artist who was sent to an El Salvador prison.

He claimed he was a member of this gang.

But the credibility of this former officer Charles Cross Jr.

is so bad, prosecutors flagged him on a list of police who had been accused of lying, breaking the law, or acting in a way eroding their credibility to even testify in Milwaukee County.

He got fired as a Milwaukee police sergeant in 2012.

He did appeal it and then resigned in the process.

Now he is working for CORE Civic.

an institution that runs many immigration detention centers in the US.

He typed his name over the title investigator on the form implicating Andre Jose Hernandez, this gay makeup artist from Venezuela who has denied any connections to this gang, cross this former police officer, one of the private prison contractors who are helping to ID these members of this gang.

A designation landing them in prison without due process.

Greg Bach

Which is unconstitutional.

It

Jane Matt

is unconstitutional and it should terrify all of us.

Greg Bach

I just want to make it clear too.

Do you know how badly you have to screw up to get fired as a police officer?

And I'm sure that I'm sure that paycheck while being a Milwaukee police officer will make you a lot of money, especially with your overtime.

Contract player for a private prison company.

I bet you that's not bad paycheck either.

Jane Matt

Yeah asked about this particular case the Department of Homeland Security Wouldn't offer any more details on the case or the process in general But said they do use more than just tattoos do they?

To determine whether or not you remember of this gang.

I thought that that's why they were pulling people off of the street

Greg Bach

If they're not using tattoos and there's no other proof, I guess they're just, they're using vibes?

Jane Matt

Or they, they do, they know

Greg Bach

instinctually.

They know instinctually.

They know instinctually.

He must be, he must be a gang member.

I just know it.

Jane Matt

Also, no comment on the role that private contractors play in this process.

That seems to be a conflict of interest for me.

If you are going to be running essentially camps.

Should you be the one who is determining whether or not these people should be pulled out and put into camps?

Greg Bach

No, I think it should be an independent group.

But then again, when did we start doing things by the book or with us, you know, as a plan?

Jane Matt

This man was one of more than 200 mostly Venezuelan migrants sent to this prison in El Salvador.

The Justice Department contends that the president has the authority to use the Aileen Enemies Act of 1798.

Which was previously only used in times of declared war against other countries the 30-year-old and Hernandez fled Venezuela last year He says he was persecuted as a gay man one of the protected groups allowed to claim asylum under US law

Greg Bach

Because we're using 18th century policy here By a president who is who actually honestly a lot like Donald Trump

Paranoid.

Oh, Venezuela.

Thinskin.

Jane Matt

Oh,

Greg Bach

yes.

No, John Adams.

John, seriously, like John Adams, like he wanted to, he wanted to, he wanted to get rid of his enemies.

He didn't like people speaking against him or the country.

He's just, I mean, Thinskin, paranoid, absolute terrible presidents.

And, huh, no wonder he wants to use that, use that law now.

18th century.

Jane Matt

A few weeks after being reviewed by this former police officer, Hernandez was transferred

to a detention center in Texas.

And the last month he was flown to that prison in El Salvador.

His lawyers have not heard from him since.

This isn't even the case of the father who was deported, who the administration has admitted was mistakenly deported because of a clerical error.

And now they're claiming, well, he's there.

There's nothing we can do about it.

It's out of our hands.

You made the deal.

with El Salvador to take these people.

And now you are saying that a person who was sent there by mistake, you can't do anything about it.

Greg Bach

I just, I'm just, this is shameful.

Jane Matt

Jim Santel, our friend and colleague and host of Amicus, a law review going to be joining us after the 1030 news.

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Jane Matt Nair (host)

Good morning and welcome.

Welcome to Matt Nair on air.

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A couple of things breaking as we come back on the air, the house.

has passed the budget plan for Donald Trump's agenda, including passing the SAVE Act, which we have talked about before and which is essentially going to make it harder for people to vote, including married women.

Deb Cronmiller from the League of Women Voters is going to be joining us next Tuesday.

And hopefully she can help clarify some questions.

We've had some questions come into Jane says at civicmedia.us.

So join us on Tuesday.

for Deb Cronmiller from the League of Women Voters.

And if you have any questions, please send them in to janesaysatcivicmedia.us.

One quick market update also.

Greg Box (co-host)

Yeah, people were talking about the market yesterday being so great because it rebounded from the disaster the past few days.

I just want to give a market update.

We came to air today.

35 minutes ago.

Not even 30 minutes ago.

29 minutes ago, the market had dropped 953 points.

Currently, the market is now down.

1286 points.

Okay,

Jane Matt Nair (host)

nothing to see here.

It's

Greg Box (co-host)

all fine.

But your 401k was cool yesterday.

Woo.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

Fall for

Greg Box (co-host)

a couple hours.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

Anyway, he joins us every Thursday at this time because we are not lawyers.

We are only lawyer adjacent.

Jim Santel is here from Amicus Law Review.

I highly encourage you to listen to Jim's show Saturdays from 9 to 11 across the network.

If you can't listen live, you can also go back and listen to it as a podcast.

You can find it at civicmedia.us.

Good morning, Jim.

How you doing?

Jim Santel (guest, Amicus Law Review)

Jane, Greg, it's always great to be adjacent to you too.

And yes,

It is a good thing that most of us are not lawyers and, regrettably, you don't need to be today to be outraged by the latest things that are going on.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

There is so much to cover.

I guess I would like to start with one plus, I guess, the small thing.

But a federal judge did order the White House to restore the Associated Press access to the Oval Office.

Now, essentially, Donald Trump had a snit.

because the Associated Press continues to refer to the Gulf of Mexico, which it is as the Gulf of Mexico, not the Gulf of America.

And so they denied them access to press briefings.

Jim Santel (guest, Amicus Law Review)

And Jane and Greg, I warn you, apparently on behalf of the White House, because if you continue that kind of crazy talk, you too will have your White House credentials revoked.

I know for Greg, that's an especially significant thing.

Absolutely.

We have our tongues planted firmly in our cheek, but this is serious matter.

Again, how many times do we have to talk, Mr. President, about the Constitution of the United States of America?

It's basic First Amendment stuff.

I used to say it's things that juniors in high school know.

It's sixth graders, fifth graders know this, that we have a pre-press, and part of that is access to news in America, access to this single.

most significant leader on the face of the planet, the things that he does are newsworthy, and you cannot, cannot, cannot simply prevent that news coverage from happening.

And I am not surprised, but I am thrilled nonetheless to see that a judge has said, once again, Mr. President, you cannot do this.

It will be appealed once again, and we'll go down that process as well.

We hope that it will not reach once again the roadblock of the United States Supreme Court.

which we have seen a lot in recent days.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

Yes, we have.

We

Jim Santel (guest, Amicus Law Review)

have been upholding a lot of what the president is doing.

But today is a reason to celebrate free speech, assembly, First Amendment stuff, James Madison things.

And this is hopefully the doors are back open to the AP.

And we can once again refer to bodies of water as they are are known in America and around the world.

Pretty much around the

Greg Box (co-host)

world.

This is just another example, Jim, of judges stepping up and doing the work of what the elected officials are supposed to be doing, which is protecting the Constitution.

And I have to imagine that at the very, the very worst, well, the worst version is they would uphold suppressing our free media.

But I feel like the Supreme Court, if anything, if this made it up to the Supreme Court, but in this world, you can imagine.

At the very least, they just wouldn't hear it because it just almost seems beneath them.

They say, go with the appellate courts.

That's done.

We're not talking about that.

As if to say, this is even worth our time.

I know there's a version we can all imagine where they do take it up, but it's still, I mean, this seems like a battle they wouldn't even wait into.

Jim Santel (guest, Amicus Law Review)

Because there's so many other things that, that again, no less significant than this, but they've got an awful lot on their docket.

They've got 64 cases altogether.

And now it seems on a daily basis, maybe every other day, they're entertaining these motions again for emergency petitions.

You would hope, Greg, that on this one they would say, yes, indeed.

This is one we're not taking up.

We're going to affirm the lower court simply by not doing anything, which is all they've got to do, all they've got to do.

And you other implicit in what you just said, need to reaffirm this.

As we seem to do, Greg and Jane, every Thursday, the bastions, the guardrails once again in America.

federal district court judges.

Thank goodness.

And again, these are nominees and confirmants from both Republican and Democratic presidents across the board saying no, Mr. President.

The guardrails are holding

Jane Matt Nair (host)

right

Jim Santel (guest, Amicus Law Review)

now.

And we hope that's the case.

I'd like to think there's some grand juries out there that are meeting and also saying no to this president.

But at least we know publicly that so far, so far.

the guardrails, and this area are holding, it's unfortunate we have to run into court to get affirmations on the things that we trusted to be the case for 238 years.

When is this going to stop?

Jane Matt Nair (host)

Yeah, I'm not soon enough.

And if you're just joining us just to reiterate what we're talking about, Jim Santel is our guest, and we're talking about a court decision that the White House cannot

not allow the Associated Press into press briefings just because they don't call it the Gulf of whatever.

What is the enforcement mechanism though, Jim?

What if, so this, you know, in the interim, and I'm an Associated Press reporter and I go to the next White House briefing and some big burly guy says, no, what enforcement mechanisms are there?

Jim Santel (guest, Amicus Law Review)

Right, then that is exactly the time that

We've got to be once again, it's the lawyers who are the secondary bastion, right?

That reporter's got to get on the phone right away and get to the AP lawyers to say, run back into court and tell that judge that the White House, the big burly guy, whoever that is at the White House press briefing is in contempt of your order judge.

And that's the next procedural mechanism that has to happen.

We're seeing that already, obviously with respect to the Venezuelan migrants.

You go back in and say, Judge,

Here is what happened, right?

Here's the affidavit from my reporter and being denied exactly what you ordered.

Find the White House, find the press secretary in contempt, direct that they appear in your court if there's some need to do so.

And once again, here's your civics as we always do it.

If there's a finding of contempt, what kinds of things can you do?

You can fine, meaning impose monetary penalties.

Yes, indeed.

federal judges can incarcerate someone if, in fact, the contempt is in their presence, which presumably this would be, and it is of this nature.

There's some serious remedies here.

The difficulty, of course, is finding maybe it is the big burly guy standing there at the door, but maybe it's somebody else, maybe it's the press secretary, and at a minimum, again, fighting back and saying, no, no, I'm standing here until the judge enters an emergency order that lets me in.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

We have a lot to cover with Jim Santel, host of Amicus, a law review every Saturday from 9 to 11 across the network.

This is from Politico.

Trump orders investigation of two first term administration aides who criticized him.

He's going after Chris Krebs.

His big sin was saying out loud that the 2020 election was not stolen.

And that is his crime from what I can tell.

Jim Santel (guest, Amicus Law Review)

I think that's exactly it.

And he probably at some point referred to the Gulf of Mexico as the Gulf of Mexico that would only exacerbate the problem here.

Both of these people, again, exercising First Amendment rights and expressing their views.

They're not incendiary.

They're not advocating for the overthrow of the government.

They're expressing their views as we do on this broadcast every single day.

As others do, Americans have this right to do it.

And here's the takeaway lesson that everybody, regardless whether you are a president, former employee of any government, anywhere, we've said this before, Jane and Greg, I'll say it once again.

The investigation itself is the punishment.

This is a complete break.

Here's the clear illustration here of this president breaking tradition with every other president, including his own first term to some extent.

and reaching out and saying, Pam Bondi, open criminal investigations of people.

That has never been the tradition.

Again, 238 years, that arms-length relationship, it is now clearly breached with a capital B. You should be horrified by that.

Everybody, every one of your listeners, I'm sure they are, because if the president can pick up the phone and tell the attorney general, the deputy, a United States attorney, an Eastern or Western Wisconsin in Northern Illinois,

I want Jane McNair.

I want Greg Bach to be investigated.

And the answer is yes, sir.

I'm opening the investigation.

That can happen to anyone.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

His

Jim Santel (guest, Amicus Law Review)

voice is out there.

That's the concern.

And again, why is this the punishment?

Because then you're going to hire lawyers to defend you.

And when there's a request for information from you, if there are grand juries of penas, bank documents, all kinds of things, it is hugely burdensome.

And it is built upon nothing.

It is a violation, frankly.

It's a violation of the oath of office that lawyers take, Department Justice lawyers take, not to pursue an investigation absent some scintilla of something, but it imposes this incredible burden upon whoever the target is.

This is his retribution again, and everyone should be incredibly concerned.

about these two to begin with, they will get lawyers, they will incur additional expense and additional burdens, but everyone now who could be out there to be the target of the retribution.

That's what this presidency is all about as of today and as of the last 80 days in office.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

And just by saying something that Donald Trump doesn't like, that's what we're talking about.

Greg Box (co-host)

This also sounds like a federally funded slap suit is what it is.

Jim Santel (guest, Amicus Law Review)

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

As you were just saying, Jane, Greg, we don't like what you're saying, and we are going to run into court.

We anticipate that, again, this may be going nowhere.

Again, I like to think that there's no grand jury out there that's going to indict either one of these, finding probable cause to believe a crime has been committed.

No, there's none.

23 people in America and all these grantees, they're not going to return indictments here, but an investigation that goes on.

It's exactly what a slap lawsuit is.

It is the burden imposed upon you.

This prevents you from doing other things in your lives, including productively engaged in business with families, with other pursuits in life.

That is the punishment.

And we are going down that road more and more.

Colleges, law firms, and to anybody who says something, a foul from the president's viewpoint.

We'll go after you.

And I've got a direct line to Pam Bondi.

She's right down the street there.

And I'm going to sick her on you.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

We're talking about Chris Krab and Miles Taylor.

Thank you, Steve, for Milwaukee, for including that.

These are the two people that now Donald Trump is sicking his Justice Department on, essentially, because they said things that he did not like.

And you're right, Jim, this is.

This is all about instilling fear in people.

I don't want to get sued.

I don't want to get investigated.

I can't afford high-priced lawyers.

That's going to bankrupt me, right?

It's just a scare.

It is to scare people from saying what they think out loud.

Jim Santel (guest, Amicus Law Review)

Absolutely.

And here's the other thing that I'm hesitant to say on the air, but I've made the offer in other places.

And I've got friends and colleagues have done the same thing.

The financial impact that you just identified, Jane, is huge, right?

If you hire any one of these law firms, big law, medium law, individual practitioners, it's a lot of money to defend against this.

Money we should be going to other more productive things.

The other thing that the lawyers in America need to do, not only to push back on these attempts to stop law firms, but we need to come forward.

And we need to say, you know what, I will take on the former employee of what you name the agency, and I will represent you.

I can only do one.

at a time probably ethically but everybody's got to come forward and say I will do that pro bono and I will push back on all this so that it does not at least wreck you financially to the point that you no longer have a house no longer a car and lawyers need to do that.

That's what that's what lawyers should do as a part of pushing back on all of this.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

We're going to continue our conversation with Jim Santel, host of Amicus, a law review.

Stay with us.

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Jane Matt Nair

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Right now we are joined by our friend and colleague Jim Santel, host of Amicus, a law review every Saturday morning from 9 until 11 o'clock.

I highly encourage you to check it out.

You will learn a great deal.

Jim, I wanted to talk about this in some of the time that we have left.

This is from NBC in about half of U.S.

states.

International students visas are being revoked.

And we talked about this yesterday.

This has happened to at least 22 students in Wisconsin that we know of so far.

And they are just all of a sudden what they're they're living their lives and they're going to school and they're doing whatever.

And all of a sudden you can notice saying your visa has been terminated.

You have to leave now.

Jim Santel

It is, again, a stunning way of, again, this retribution once again, right?

It's going after people that we do not like for all sorts of inappropriate reasons.

And while there is an argument here that, yes, indeed, visas and the awarding of them is within the State Department Authority, once again, what these folks should do, again, in reliance upon

the conferrence of a right to be here for a purpose to stay in the United States.

They relied upon that, as you just said, Shane, for their lives, their schooling, their families, all kinds of things.

And unilaterally, again, let's use the DP word, due process, is absent here.

And so this is another situation where if you have one of these, a lawyer should step up to the plate and say, let's go into court and push back on this.

You may or may not be successful.

There's an awful lot of discretionary aspect of granting visas there.

But if indeed, if indeed the government cannot come up with some credible reason why you yourself

have violated the terms and conditions of your stay in America, then a judge, as we're seeing, as we've talked about before, should say, no, the government needs to prove more.

We've seen these, obviously, the apprehension.

The tough student is perhaps the most notable.

Clucked off the street by massed, arguably, I suppose, their federal officers.

Jane Matt Nair

But we don't know

Jim Santel

that.

We don't know that, right?

Transported.

What America are we living in?

For that reason alone, for the future deterrence against our government now, we need to push back on this.

When I was working with the sick population of Creek, we had a huge number of folks who needed to secure various means of staying in America.

We did that by identifying a basis for them to be here.

That's what they need to push back on now.

It is, again, just the beginning.

As you said, I think we have the numbers in the 20s now, Jane, as you indicated.

It will only increase, especially with the completely inappropriate justification.

I remember Marco Rubio, our Secretary of State, saying, if you come here to study and you say things and you do things that we don't like in terms of articulating views, which again, are protected by the Constitution,

That's a breach of the contract, so we're going to get rid of you.

That's what our Secretary of State said recently in connection with a tough student.

They will say the same things without any merit to them going ahead.

We need to call upon them to justify that before judges.

before these people should be thrown out summarily of our nation.

Greg Buck

I just, that's the thing too, as we mentioned this yesterday, when we are two days ago when we covered this is the fact that from, we get from the ride all the time.

Well, if you just came here legally, if you just played by the rules, if you just, they're doing everything they were asked to, they fill out all the forms, paid all the monies and they're coming here to better their lives through our educational system and they're still being thrown out.

Seems like you're moving the goal lines back once again.

And also just to reiterate,

Jim, even though they are not citizens, they're here in this country.

They have certain protected rights.

Jim Santel

Let's say it once again.

Shout it from the rooftops.

Those people who say that if you're not a citizen, the Constitution doesn't protect you.

That is wrong as a matter of law for 238 years.

And everyone who is geographically here, again, including those now former Venezuelan immigrants, who are now sitting in a prison in El Salvador, they had a right to do process under a constitution.

The Supreme Court effectively said that two days ago, even when it authorized the government to go ahead with that.

Everybody who is here, whatever your purpose, whatever your reason is for being here, you are protected by the thing that James Madison wrote and that all our states adopted.

It's called the Constitution, Mr. President.

Jane Matt Nair

And it's called due process.

And that applies to everyone and isn't due process part of what makes America America.

Jim Santel

Absolutely.

And again, in all of these things, we're seeing it every single day.

It is being affirmed, Jane, every single day by judges, not summarily responding in a knee-trick reaction.

But what having hearings, Judge Bozburg, again, we talked about him before, is perhaps at the top of the list, how many hearings, how many briefs, how many things has he reviewed to get it right?

That's what we do in America.

We get to the facts.

We invoke the law.

We let people argue in court that adversarial process.

That's what it's all about.

We do not summarily do these things that, again, our Secretary of State is doing.

Our Secretary of Defense is doing.

My president is doing too.

It is a difficult time in America, undeniably.

Jane Matt Nair

Check out Jim Santel's show.

It's fantastic Saturdays from 9 to 11 across the network.

Jim Santel hosted Amicus, a law review.

Thank you so much, Jim.

We will talk to you next week.

Jim Santel

Jane, Greg, always a pleasure.

We'll see you then.

Take care.

Jane Matt Nair

Stay with us.

News is next, and then we're going to talk about Derek Van Orden's greatest hits.

That's all on the way.

You're listening to Matt Nair on air on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Good morning.

Welcome.

Welcome to Matt Nair on air.

Jane Matt Nair, Greg Bakken, Calvin Butenoff coming to you live from our studio here at Radio Park in Racine.

You can always join us.

Call her text.

The number is the same 855.

7524842 leave a comment if you're watching on the live stream on Facebook YouTube and what used to be Twitter We have civic media meteorologist Britney Merleau coming up in just a little bit with a little weather and wine and talk about what is coming our way I think we have a couple more days of Yeah, and then it's gonna get nice

Greg Bakken

she's gonna talk about tornadoes as well

Jane Matt Nair

important stuff important stuff

JR Paul Noonan brother the acne packing company sports guru Paul Noonan joining us after 1130 to talk all things sports brewers with a big win yesterday I

Greg Bakken

feel like that 17 to 2 should count as like four wins they can bank

Jane Matt Nair

That would be nice to

Greg Bakken

spread those spread those runs over the season.

Jane Matt Nair

Yeah, that's that seems fair And then we'll wrap up the show as we always do with this shouldn't be a thing

Today it is the take me to your leader edition.

It's a good one.

There's a visual element you're going to want to check out once the show notes get posted after the show.

But Tisbat coming up around 1151.

You are going to be on stage tonight.

Greg Bakken

Fake news.

Are you serious?

You are.

Jane Matt Nair

You're going to be in Brookfield.

Greg Bakken

I'll be in Brook.

I will be at the Milwaukee Improv in Brookfield.

Scott, I know.

Okay.

So we're a comedy club thing.

But yes.

So tonight, one show only Thursday.

Tonight.

Yeah.

It says Thursday at the Milwaukee Improv in Brookfield on Blue Mountain in the corners.

Jane Matt Nair

I've been

Greg Bakken

there.

I will be performing.

I'll be featuring, which is also known as middling, which means there'll be a host, most likely then me and then Chappell, Lacey.

is the headliner.

So come on down.

I will say this.

There is a two item minimum.

So if you do come,

Jane Matt Nair

you got to

Greg Bakken

buy something.

There will be a ticket price, but you got to buy a drink or two or a food item or two.

But yeah, I'm very excited.

They contacted me like three days ago.

Jane Matt Nair

That's

Greg Bakken

awesome.

I know I'm very excited.

I've never performed there.

I've never had the opportunity.

So this is, I'm like, we're doing the show, but in the back of my head, I'm like, don't be not funny, Greg.

Be funny, Greg.

Jane Matt Nair

You're going to be great.

Thank you very much.

If you're around, come on down.

I'd love to high five you and be friends.

Absolutely.

Go check out Greg tonight on stage at the Milwaukee at the Milwaukee Comedy Club in Brookfield,

Greg Bakken

Milwaukee improv

Jane Matt Nair

improv in Brookfield.

Yeah.

OK.

We can include that in the show notes, too.

We'll have a link for that if you want to pick up tickets.

So we'll drop that in there as well.

Wanted to spend a little time.

He is back in the news.

Wisconsin's own Derek van Orden.

from the Western part of Wisconsin.

And this is courtesy of Pat Critello from Up North News Radio.

Derek Van Orden screams at a witness while defending cuts to food aid.

Nationally known for his angry outburst, the Wisconsin congressman angrily attacked critics of the House GOP budget plan to slash $230 billion

in USDA programs, I believe we have a clip from the always calm, always even tempered Derek Van Orden.

Calvin, can we play that clip, please?

Calvin Butenoff

Hey, I want to clear the air.

And I'm going to dispel some things.

You're receiving benefits from the federal government lawfully as an American citizen.

Your benefits are not going to be reduced by nickel.

I'm going to say it again.

If you're an American citizen that is lawfully receiving benefits from the federal government, your benefits will not be reduced by a nickel.

Write that down.

Things have changed.

I'm going to write that

Greg Bakken

down.

Calvin Butenoff

Write

Jane Matt Nair

the same

Calvin Butenoff

people that told you during the last budgetary cycle that Republicans are going to cut Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, WIC, SNAP.

They lied to you.

They lied openly to the American public.

They're the same people that lied to you and are fear mongering with hungry children and those most in need in our country and it's unacceptable and it's despicable.

This should be a nonpartisan committee.

They're lying over it.

Stop it.

You, you're wrong.

My Democrat colleagues, there's billions and billions and billions of dollars in fraud with these programs.

Refining a program does not say getting rid of the program.

It's refining it.

Dr. Schozenbach, you said that work requirements are really good at getting people off of SNAP.

What's the purpose of SNAP?

To be on SNAP forever?

No, but we want people to leave SNAP.

Jean from Eau Claire (caller)

Okay, so hold on.

Greg Bakken

Hey doctor,

Calvin Butenoff

how many years did you go to school?

Wait for it.

Like how many?

Greg Bakken

17.

Calvin Butenoff

Okay, so I dropped out of high school as a sophomore.

The advantage of being a high school dropout is what you don't have.

Like you don't get it.

Wait

Jean from Eau Claire (caller)

for it.

The

Calvin Butenoff

metric of success are people who are working.

Are you familiar with

Jane Matt Nair

the source?

But they're not

Calvin Butenoff

working.

Jane Matt Nair

Are you familiar?

But it's dropping off.

Calvin Butenoff

Don't interrupt me.

And what you're talking about is perpetuating the cycle of poverty.

And you're trying to enslave Americans and keep them repressed.

And that is below the dignity of your station, ma'am.

Jane Matt Nair

Below the oh, yes, please Derek and Derek Ben Orton school me on dignity.

Greg Bakken

Yeah,

Jane Matt Nair

please I want to take a class from

Greg Bakken

you.

There is so much in there you can take apart my I think my It's tied between him telling a doctor of of she she is an educated human being giving her

giving her expertise on this situation.

You don't know anything because I dropped out of high school.

And by the way, in that video, in the earlier part of the, he talked about being poor and being on government, on government cheese and using all those terminologies.

And which is why Pat makes the claim that he was the same person too.

He grew up poor to a single mom and had to go through the same thing as well.

That doesn't make you smarter.

You have different levels of experience.

And also when you interrupt her,

when she's trying to talk to you, answering the question you asked, and then you have the nerve to say, don't interrupt me when she is trying to speak as well.

Derek Van Orden, Derek Van Orden does not even, he doesn't belong in the Congress.

He doesn't belong as a dog catcher in this state.

He is despicable and disgusting.

I think he has anger management issues.

He loves to dress down people and yell at people, but not in, and this was actually the most I've seen him get.

like but he gets aggressive he gets pointed and and i'm sorry to say it and i'll say it right here he generally does it towards women oh

Jane Matt Nair

absolutely absolutely i've got a whole list yeah i've got a whole list of dirrick van orton's greatest hits where he's done this before he loves to attack people weaker and smaller yes than he is

Greg Bakken

yes

Jane Matt Nair

uh

Greg Bakken

He is a high school dropout, a PJ on the line.

He's a high school dropout.

He got his GED from what I understand, and he went back to college, graduated from an online college,

Jean from Eau Claire (caller)

and he

Greg Bakken

spent 26 years in the military, which gives him also an experience that I would never try to say doesn't count.

Jane Matt Nair

855-752-4842, if you would like to join the conversation.

Jean Vermeau-Claire is on the line.

Good morning, Jean.

What do you want to say?

about, uh, DVO.

Jean from Eau Claire (caller)

Oh, I can't believe it.

Well, yeah, I do believe it.

I knew that he was a little off, but now we know that he's way off.

You know, the people that are in that Congress, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Volberg, this guy, they should not even be allowed on the Capitol.

This is just

I just can't believe that this guy is running down people who have studied for years and years trying to make our country better and things better for people.

Thank you very much, guys.

Keep it up.

Keep letting the people know and play his voice.

The word's coming out of his mouth, because that's what he said, and he can't deny it.

Thanks, guys.

Have a good day.

Thank you.

Bye.

Jane Matt Nair

Bye, Gene.

Thank you so much,

Greg Bakken

Gene.

We do have more of his voice.

We actually do.

This is from last year.

He's speaking to a reporter who is just, you know, doing their job, asking questions on the budget.

And of course, you know, that's too much for old DVO here.

And he's got to just become the biggest, meanest monster on the steps.

Calvin, can you play that clip as well?

Calvin Butenoff

Okay, maybe you don't understand how Congress works.

So we don't do the budget process on the floor.

You do that in committee hearings.

The committees are all here.

The staffs are all here.

That's how Congress actually works.

Greg Bakken

And

Jane Matt Nair

I

Calvin Butenoff

understand what you're getting at, and I don't appreciate it.

I've answered your question.

Do you have anything else that actually means something?

Jane Matt Nair

Let's just insult people.

Yeah, you know, that's just easier.

It's just let just insult people.

That's

Greg Bakken

how it works.

I'm sure that's what people who voted for them realized they're getting from.

Him is just a man who has a lot of issues inside and doesn't know how to deal with them.

So he just takes it on those who are, you know, living their lives

Jane Matt Nair

around him.

She's doing her job.

She's asking a question, which may not be a question that you like, but she is still doing her job as a reporter.

Last time I checked, I didn't think a reporter's job was to just throw softballs.

Yeah.

And let's not forget again, this is not Derek van Orden has a long history of this kind of behavior going back to when he blew up at this teenage library worker in his district over a display of LGBTQ books when and this she's a teenager and then there were more teenagers

that he went after Senate pages.

Greg Bakken

Yep, they were doing a thing where they tore, I think the end of their run, they'll go there, they'll go in the hallways, they'll lay on the floor and they'll take pictures of the ceiling, which are innate and beautiful.

It's a tradition.

Jane Matt Nair

It's a tradition.

Greg Bakken

This is not disrespectful.

This is accepted.

And he, and some will say, was not exactly the soberest, comes out of his office and decides to start yelling at them.

Cursing

Jane Matt Nair

at them.

Cursing at them.

Greg Bakken

This is a man who, and I'm saying this as another man.

He's a man who needs some help.

He needs to talk to somebody because this is getting out of hand.

He is embarrassing himself, his district, Wisconsin, and when people see this stuff on the internet, this country, because that's who represents us.

Jane Matt Nair

And don't forget, at the RNC, he accused this young woman of assaulting him.

Oh my God, yes.

Standing in line, and there's a video of this as well, that went nowhere.

There were no charges filed against this woman.

She did not assault him.

And by the way, she is a munchkin.

Compared to the manly man, Derek Van Orden.

Greg Bakken

Derek Van Orden is never more at home than when he's playing the disgruntled victim.

That's where he eats, lives, and breathes.

Disgruntled victim, I did all this, you better respect me, but I will never give you the respect back, no matter how much you deserve it.

Well, he's gonna be up for re-election next year.

Jane Matt Nair

And from what I understand, Rebecca Cook already have a million dollars in her bank.

That's something to keep in mind, my friends, when we return, we're going to lighten things up for the rest of the show.

Brittany Merleau will be here with Weather and Wine, and then we'll talk sports with Paul Noonan from the Acme Packing Company.

Stay with us.

You are listening to Matt Nair on air on the Civic Media Radio Network.

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I don't know why there's no sun up in the

Jane Matt Nair

sky.

Good morning.

Welcome back to Matt Nair on air.

Jane Matt Nair, Greg Bach, resident young person Calvin on the board coming to you from our studio at Radio Park in Racine.

Join us, call her text at 855-752-

4-8-4-2.

Leave a comment if you're watching on the livestream.

On Facebook, YouTube, and what used to be Twitter after the 11-30 news ACME Packing Company sports guru Paul Newton will be here to talk all things sports, including that huge win for the Brewers yesterday, 17-2.

Right now, though, she joins us every Thursday at this time for a little weather and wine.

Civic media meteorologist Brittany Merleau.

Good morning, Brittany.

How's it going?

Great.

How are you doing?

We're good.

We're good.

It's a little gray and spitty here in the Racine area.

It's not raining hard.

It's just kind of, you know, it's misty and kind of annoying.

And it's not going to be terribly warm today, but better things are to come, right?

Brittany Merleau

They are.

I'd say today is the definition of dreary.

We're going to get through it.

It's almost over, right?

We're halfway through it.

Right, right.

We've got plenty of sunshine on the way.

So what's happening is the high pressure system is going to clear all this clouds cover out of here overnight tonight.

And we're going to be waking up to abundant sunshine tomorrow.

And it's going to stay here for Saturday.

And the further south you live, you're going to hang on to it for Sunday.

But the further north, you've got some rain rolling in.

Jane Matt Nair

Rain but not snow.

Correct.

Brittany Merleau

At the moment.

At the moment.

However, it does kind of up.

Up north.

Yeah, that rain on Monday night may potentially flip over to a little bit of light snowfall Tuesday night into park far far north woods But of course Hurley could get smacked with another six inches of snow.

Oh

Jane Matt Nair

man Again, this shouldn't be a surprise.

It's only April.

We've had snow in May in

Brittany Merleau

Wisconsin It's

Jane Matt Nair

rare, but it has happened.

So I guess this shouldn't be that big of a surprise, but we're all ready

I think we're all ready for a little warm up and it is going to warm up this weekend.

Brittany Merleau

Yes, yeah, it's gonna be really nice.

Actually, we'll already be into those mid 50s for tomorrow, tapping the low 60s on Saturday, and then some mid 60s on Sunday, and we're gonna hold the heat on Monday too.

Now, heads up, we do fall a little bit Tuesday, Wednesday, but we're gonna rebound back to those spring temperatures, and the weekend actually looks really nice too.

And I see some 70s as we cruise into the following week as well,

Rob from Tigerton (caller)

so.

Brittany Merleau

Ooh.

get excited.

Yeah.

We're

Rob from Tigerton (caller)

talking about what's going on this tonight with the comedy stuff.

Rob from Tigerton also came in on the live stream saying tonight I'm taking a storm spotters training class tonight at 7pm from the Green Bay National Weather Service online.

This is my third year taking the class and storm spotters are very important

Brittany Merleau

during

Rob from Tigerton (caller)

the weather events from importing storm damage, getting rain and snow amounts, they their eyes on the ground in reporting weather in their locations.

So yes,

Jane Matt Nair

that's really that's really an important element though isn't it Brittany and especially when we're talking about Noah receiving all of these kinds of cuts We we can use more storm spotters

Brittany Merleau

The more help, the better.

Please, please, please.

There is a class tonight and it's online, okay?

So anyone can do this across the state.

You can join tonight and there's another one on Monday too.

And of course, there's more throughout the next month or so locally as well.

But those two are online.

If you go to National Weather Service Green Bay, you can sign up right there and get all registered for that.

But it's pretty cool.

I mean, you're gonna learn about severe thunderstorms.

You're gonna know the difference between a funnel cloud and an actual tornado.

You're

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gonna...

Brittany Merleau

really dive in deep and learn the science behind it and nerd out, which is the cool part.

So if you like to go outside and watch the storms roll through, I highly, highly suggest this for you.

It's fun to do.

Jane Matt Nair

What are some of the other responsibilities as far as being a storm spotter, Brittany?

Is it keeping track of like rain amounts and things like that?

Brittany Merleau

Yeah, so there's different programs.

This one that's going on tonight will be more for severe weather storm spotting and stuff.

But I mean, we are measuring how much rain is coming through.

fast it's coming down, how much snow you're getting.

I mean, there's even people who take temperatures daily and even precipitation daily and put reports in to this database, which is so, so, so helpful.

Jane Matt Nair

If my mother were still alive, she would absolutely do this because she used to write down the weather every day.

Brittany Merleau

Oh, I love that.

That was so cute.

It was so cute.

Jane Matt Nair

I was talking about severe weather, though.

Is tornado awareness week?

Brittany Merleau

Yes.

So this week is severe weather awareness week across the state.

I mean, tornado season is April through August.

So we're already entering it.

Last year we had tons of tornadoes.

We doubled our average.

We usually have about 23 tornadoes in the state each year.

We had 40, more than 40.

And about 22 of those were on one month, the month of May.

Wow.

Let's get ready, you guys.

It's right around the corner, right when we start to get those nicer temperatures, and those cold fronts come through, the severe weather sparks up.

So the sirens will sound today at 1.45 and 6.45, and it's a time to just practice your plan.

Actually do it.

I know it might sound stupid or feel weird, but muscle memory, I'm telling you, when you're in an emergency, your brain goes crazy.

You're running around in circles, you don't know what to do next.

Plan it, do it now, have that muscle memory going, and also get an emergency bag together too.

You're going to want extra shoes.

You're probably not going to have them on if you're running into the basement or wherever you're going in an emergency.

So shoes, clothes, medicine, snacks, water, put it on the bag so you can just grab the bag or leave the bag in your safe.

I was going

Rob from Tigerton (caller)

to say, yeah, leave it in the basement.

Yeah.

Jane Matt Nair

Yep.

That sounds

Brittany Merleau

like a

Jane Matt Nair

really good idea.

And I would think especially if you have children, this is really a really important annual review of what to do if your house gets hit by a tornado.

Brittany Merleau

Yeah.

And it's just so, I've got the chills right now.

I've just seen too much destruction and devastation across our state.

And you know, it's killed people in our state as well.

And it's just giving me the chills.

So just be ready, be prepared.

I don't care how stupid you feel today.

Do it.

Jane Matt Nair

Yep.

All right.

Yeah.

Planning ahead is always better.

And as you said, Brittany, when you're panicking like that and we don't necessarily have all that much time to get into the basement and collect all that stuff, just put it, put your bag together today, like you said, and make sure you include, you know, a bowl for the dog or the cat and the dog and the cat food along with some met some of your meds and other things like that.

And also if you can get one of those crank up radios.

Rob from Tigerton (caller)

I love those.

Jane Matt Nair

It's a good way to work on your arm strength as well.

Rob from Tigerton (caller)

Can you get jacked?

Jane Matt Nair

Right.

Brittany Merleau is Civic Media meteorologist.

She joins us every Thursday for a little weather and wine.

Thank you so much, Brittany.

Really appreciate it.

We'll see you next week.

Thank you.

Stay with us.

News is coming up next when we return.

Paul Noonan from the Acme packing company will be here and we're going to wrap it all up with this shouldn't be a thing.

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Jane Matt Nair (host)

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Welcome.

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If you're watching on Facebook, YouTube, and what used to be Twitter, we got baseball action tonight, or this afternoon, actually, the Brewers at the Rockies.

Our broadcast starts today at 1.35.

You cannot listen on the stream.

You have to listen to the radio.

You can catch the game today on WRCE in Richland Center.

WISS in Oshkosh, WRJN here in Racine in Kenosha, WTQM in Park Falls, and a shout out to WBZH in Hayward, our newest Brewer's affiliate.

Brewer's today against the Rockies, our broadcast starts at 1.35.

We're gonna segue right into our guest.

Boom.

The Acme Backing Company sports guru Paul Noonan is here.

Good morning, Paul.

Hey, good morning.

17 to two.

I had to look at that four times.

Paul Noonan (guest)

I went, I went to bed when it was tended to and woke up this morning to find that, um, it's, it's actually an it's, it's an insane score for a lot of reasons.

It is the Rockies.

They are, um, probably the worst team in baseball.

Just to give context to how bad they are.

You might remember last season, the Chicago white socks finished as.

No worse than the second worst team in Major League Baseball history.

By all the projection systems that project baseball records for this season, the Rockies are projected to finish eight games worse than the White Sox are this year.

They have basically no pitching, no stars of any kind, no depth of any kind.

And more than anything, playing in Colorado is difficult with the thin air up there.

tricky to develop your pitchers so that they can be successful when they go on the road and at home, your hitters too.

They have one of the worst analytics front offices.

They've done basically no work in developing the proper way to play in Colorado.

So putting 17 up on them, not that surprising.

They have two wins on the air so far.

It's helped even out the brewers sort of run scored run allowed differential because you know they got

Thumped by the Yankees, the first couple games

Jane Matt Nair (host)

of the

Paul Noonan (guest)

season.

They're pretty much back to even now.

Baseball, it all evens out over time if you let it go on long enough.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

So because the Rockies are so bad, it would have been much worse if it had only been like a three to two game, right?

Paul Noonan (guest)

Yeah, I mean it wins a win, but it's nice to actually show that you can thump teams that you're supposed to thump And you know, it's nice to win.

It's better to win in such a way that says man Maybe you're not such such a pretender that you looked like early on.

Greg Bach (co-host)

Well, and that's what I've you know I mean anyone who's midwestern knows that the burrs are probably gonna try spend the rest of April Showing the rest of the baseball world that was the first weekend was a fluke.

We're we're we're we're good.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

We're

Greg Bach (co-host)

better than that, but um

I'm surprised you went to bed at 10 to two because as a brewers fan, I'm still like, how do we blow this?

Paul Noonan (guest)

How do we blow this?

I trust their bullpen enough to get that.

I don't trust a lot about the brewers right now.

There's some, there's some fakery in there.

They're starting pitching is all hurts, but the one thing I trust is their bullpen.

Their bullpen is still nailed.

Greg Bach (co-host)

All right.

I also suggested the idea and Jane's not along with this.

She doesn't like my idea here is that we take those 17 runs, we can bank them and sprinkle them over other games throughout the season.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

Somehow that doesn't seem legal.

Greg Bach (co-host)

Hey, if the Houston Astros can cheat their way to a World Series, we can sprinkle runs.

Sprinkle our wins.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

Yeah.

But as you said, Paul, all the pictures are hurt.

Everybody's hurt.

Paul Noonan (guest)

Everybody's hurt.

The Brewers did make a trade to address that.

Hopefully, they traded away quite a lot actually to acquire Quinn Priester, who is starting today.

And he is a former first round pick.

He's only 24 years old.

They clearly see something in him.

And the Brewers pitching lab is phenomenal at picking out little

little things about guys that they can develop that nobody else sees.

And I hope they have that here.

But I am a little skeptical about Priester starting his first game for this team in Colorado, because his biggest problem so far is that his fastball has been very hittable.

It is difficult to survive on breaking stuff in Colorado.

It doesn't break.

That's part of the thin air.

And if I had to make a prediction on how this is going to go, not great would be my prediction.

I was hoping they could hold him back for one more.

I think they go to Arizona next, which isn't that much better than Colorado.

But just, I would say, if Quinn Priestley gets absolutely destroyed today, don't write him off immediately.

He may be better with a couple of weeks in the

Jane Matt Nair (host)

lab

Paul Noonan (guest)

and being back to sea level.

They're desperate for pitching.

They're TBD tomorrow.

They're starting Chad Patrick two days from now.

They just need guys at this point.

And this is not a good scenario for a young guy in his first start for a new team.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

Katherine from Madison has a question on the text line.

Why does thin air matter?

Paul Noonan (guest)

Oh, it is a good question.

And the reason is all about friction.

When you throw any pitch that actually two reasons, but pitching wise.

If you throw any pitch that you spin, that you have vertical or horizontal movement on, it actually moves because of that spin interacting with the density of air.

And so curveballs will curve more at sea level or in humid environments than they will up in the mountains.

Fastballs that move horizontally, a lot of people have cut fastballs and sinkers that dive down.

Those go straight in Colorado, where they move at sea level.

So they're much easier to pick up on and hit.

That's one of the reasons Colorado is such an offensive environment.

The other one, though, is that hits travel further, because they don't encounter as much air resistance when you get a ball up in the air in Colorado.

It actually goes quite a bit further.

We saw Christian Yelich hit, I think, a 446-foot home run last night.

That's that's amazing, but it's less amazing in Colorado where there's just less getting in the way of the ball and it just goes and goes and goes and goes

Greg Bach (co-host)

and really quick You sent this to me after your topics.

You said that Bryce Terang is working with new Stances in the in the batter's box, which is interesting I would think that Bryce is who's a good player would stick to what he's got, but he's trying new things

Paul Noonan (guest)

He is so one thing we track everything in baseball you do you really do you said this to me.

I was like

What?

One of the things we track now is how much people changed their batting stance from year to year.

A journalist named Mike Petrollo did a big analysis of the people who've changed their batting stance the most.

The person who changed it the third most is Bryce Turang from last year.

He went from having a very open stance to a very closed stance, just

Quickly what that means, open stance, you're facing the pitcher more, closed stance, you're facing the plate more.

And typically open stance is better for contact, closed stance is better for power.

And last season, Bryce Terang was in the second percent, two of bat speed of exit velocity.

He's up a ton.

It's still not great.

He's up to 15%, which is not a big power guy, but

Terang is an outstanding contact hitter.

He almost never swings and misses, especially in the zone.

And adding even a little power to that has made a huge difference for him putting the ball into play with a lot more power, hitting these massive home runs every once in a while.

And with Terang's speed, his athleticism, his defense, if he can hit like 15 to 20 home runs a year, he's like an MVP caliber player.

These little tweaks, we'll see if it holds for the whole season, but it could be a huge difference maker for the team if it actually holds up.

And his underlying metrics so far look like they will hold up.

It's not a lot of fake stuff with Tarang.

He actually is, he's in the ball pretty hard.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

If you're just joining us, Paul Noonan is our guest talking all things sports from the Acme packing company.

Let's move on to the Packers, Paul.

You mentioned that last time you joined us, Calvin mentioned he was interested in receiver Emuka.

Egg Boca.

Paul Noonan (guest)

I'm at Egg Boca, who is an

Jane Matt Nair (host)

Ohio State receiver.

I was not even close, but continue.

Paul Noonan (guest)

Calvin doing a very good scouting job, by the way, because the Packers had him in for a rare two-day visit.

Visits don't always matter in the pre-draft because with higher level guys, the Packers will often sign undrafted free agents and like seventh round picks on guys they have in.

You can kind of bank on that.

To have a guy in for a two-day visit means they're probably very, very interested, and he is very likely to be there when their first round pick comes up, and possibly when their second round pick comes up too.

He is a great fit for the offense in that he is super versatile.

He is a great athlete.

He can play in the slot and outside, which in this draft, not a lot of guys can.

Um, this is a very small receiver draft and he is one of the only versatile guys in the whole thing.

Um, and it's always good to get Ohio State receivers because they do a lot of the hard work for you.

They're the best receiver scouts in college football.

Almost all of their receivers are at least decent NFL players.

And, uh, so he's a guy to keep an eye on when the draft actually rolls around.

If they end up with them, I won't be surprised at all.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

Calvin, you considering switching careers and going into scouting, I assume now?

Calvin (contributor)

No, I just.

I have a soft spot for Ohio State wide receivers and I feel like Amika Abuqa specifically I think if he was on any other team then Ohio State this year his stock would be a lot higher.

He had a great college career but he just happened to be on the same team as the greatest 18 year old wide receiver to ever play college football.

So he got overshadowed a little bit.

Paul Noonan (guest)

He got overshadowed a lot because he had Jeremiah Smith this year and he had Marvin Harrison the year before and he did suffer some ill time to injuries too.

So I think his stock's actually a little lower than it should be.

He blew the doors off people at the combine.

He's a great athlete.

So I think he is an underrated guy and I'd love to have him.

He would actually fix quite a few packer issues.

So hopefully that does happen.

Greg Bach (co-host)

My only thing is I just love listening to Calvin talk about football because you talk

Paul Noonan (guest)

about there's things you

Greg Bach (co-host)

talk about.

But when you talk about football, there's such a deep knowledge you have, Calvin.

That's very impressive to watch.

Don't shake your head.

Calvin (contributor)

That's your thing.

It's called a

Greg Bach (co-host)

compliment.

Calvin (contributor)

Deal with it.

I appreciate the compliment.

I just don't want to oversell the depth of my football

Greg Bach (co-host)

knowledge.

You are impressing a man who, for a profession, writes sports.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

Say thank you.

Thank you guys see it's a Wisconsin thing.

That's like being cheap In the time that we have left Paul, let's talk a little bit about bucks with just three games left

Paul Noonan (guest)

Yeah, they are they're hanging tough in terms of still being able to maybe make the fourth spot They have to win out and get really lucky.

They probably won't But they've been on kind of a tear even without

Damian Lillard, mostly carried by Yanis being crazy, because he's Yanis.

But also their bench, and especially Kevin Porter Jr.

If you go and look at the last few Bucks games, all of the starters are fickle in the NBA anyway.

But this is not an advanced stat, but one of the better stats to see how people are doing is the plus minus.

Basically, when you're on the court, you give up more points than your team scores or vice versa.

Yannis is the only positive starter for like the last six games.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

And they've been

Paul Noonan (guest)

great over those six games, but the bench has been phenomenal.

And Bobby Port is coming back has been a nice little boost, especially scoring wise.

But Kevin Porter Jr.

has been like, I think underrated good.

He's been like plus 15 or better in a whole bunch of games in a row.

And

Going into the playoffs usually kind of want to shorten your bench I do wonder if the Bucks will do a little bit of shuffling to get actually a little more time for some of the down roster guys a little bit more than they have and I do wonder if Brooke Lopez starts to see the pine a little bit more He is definitely getting a little bit slower a little bit long in the tooth and that rim protector job He does in the regular season is often exploited by teams that can capitalize on his Speed or lack thereof in the postseason, but keep an eye on Porter in particular and see if

He's been arrived, not like a rookie, but see if he has a little bit of a breakout here when we start to move into the postseason.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

Speaking of the brewers, we have brewers action on some of our civic media stations starting at 130 today.

Hopefully the brewers can do a repeat while they're out in Colorado and smoke them again, 70 to two.

You can catch the game today.

You have to listen to terrestrial radio.

It's not going to be on the stream.

Catch the game starting at 135 on WRCE in Richland Center, WISS in Oshkosh, WRJN here in Racine and Kenosha, WCQM in Park Falls, and in Hayward on WBZ8.

Paul Noonan joins us every other Thursday from the Acme packing company.

Thanks a lot, Paul.

We will see you in a couple weeks.

Thanks, Paul.

Coming up next, we were going to wrap up the show as we always do with this shouldn't be a thing.

Today it is the take me to your leader edition.

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Greg Bach (co-host)

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Your words, not mine.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

Well, I

Greg Bach (co-host)

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Please, I mean, if you come out, please introduce yourself.

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Coming up on the show tomorrow, it is Friday.

That means Dan Schaefer will be here from the Reconbobulation area.

We're going to talk a little bit about this great sale that they're having

Cal (engineer)

from the

Jane Matt Nair (host)

Reconbobulation area on Monday.

You can subscribe for like $30 for the entire year.

It's fantastic.

And we will be talking, I'm sure, lots more breakdown still about the Susan Crawford, Brad Schimel race.

Greg Bach (co-host)

Oh, yeah.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

little more in-depth stuff that we will be kicking around with Dan Schaefer tomorrow.

Right now, though, it is 11.53, Calvin.

That means it's time for... This shouldn't

Cal (engineer)

be a thing.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

As always, if you have a thing you think should not be, send it in to Greg and me at janesaysatcivicmedia.us.

J-A-N-E-S-A-Y-S, Jane says...

at civicmedia.us.

This is from Vice.

Sammy Caramella with the byline, headline reads, a bizarre half-alien, half-mermaid appeared on a UK beach.

On the sandy beach of Margate Kent, a coastal town in England, beachgoers noticed a freaky figure, Paula Regan,

said for the life of me, I couldn't tell you what it was.

It was the weirdest thing.

It looks like an alien mermaid carved out of wood.

It

Greg Bach (co-host)

does.

It looks like

Jane Matt Nair (host)

some sort of weird art project, but like a mashup between a fish and then there's an alien creepy head on it.

Greg Bach (co-host)

Yeah, exactly.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

The mysterious figure appears to have an ET looking head, a skeleton like body.

and a scaled mermaid appearing tail.

It was also sticking partially out of the sand in a seemingly threatening manner.

It's not moving.

First of

Greg Bach (co-host)

all, it does not have an ET light head.

Let's

Jane Matt Nair (host)

just

Greg Bach (co-host)

get that done right there.

It also looks like it looks like it's wasted away.

Like it was bigger

Cal (engineer)

at one time.

It's

Greg Bach (co-host)

tripled.

And it looks like it's crawling for help.

I know I'm getting sad.

Sad about the half alien, half

Jane Matt Nair (host)

mermaid.

Regan who found it said at first I thought it was a piece of driftwood Yeah, or maybe a dead seal because I could see these weird funny tail fin things The head looked skeletal, but at the back the fishtail was soft and squishy It didn't feel slimy or decomposed, but it was definitely strange The beach was pretty much empty, but eventually a ton of beachgoers noticed all the commotion and gathered around it even these people

After a while, no one could figure out what it was.

Somebody thought it might have fallen off a boat.

Others suggested it could be a figurehead from an old ship.

That would be one of the ugliest things to put on your ship as a figurehead.

Greg Bach (co-host)

That would just fuel the idea.

That would just, and I have, and I ask how to get this clip ready, that would just fuel the idea that aliens were actually pirates.

There it is.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

Regan says some thought it again was a figurehead from a ship like a carved mermaid I just knew that no one would believe us if we didn't take a picture and That's where it ends.

I looked for any follow-up on this Are you telling me nobody picked this thing up and took it?

I don't know to a scientist somewhere and said

What is this thing made out of?

At the

Greg Bach (co-host)

very least, walk up to it.

I mean, it's obviously not alive.

That's what we know.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

That's exactly, until you put water on

Greg Bach (co-host)

it.

I would not kind of just see if it could feel like, like not going to fit if it's wood.

Also, a mermaid from a ship, if like, that just seems weird.

That's like you said, the ugliest mermaid on earth.

Like, no one's going to put this on your ship.

It's very, very odd.

But yeah, it's, it's, it's very hard not to look at, but it's also just.

Horrifying.

It's a little disturbing.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

But again, I think someone carved this thing and left it there hoping something like this would happen.

Greg Bach (co-host)

What I really enjoy about the picture is that there's just disturbing image in the background.

Just a dog doing its thing, living

Jane Matt Nair (host)

its

Greg Bach (co-host)

life.

Sniffing things.

Yeah, it's not sniffing the alien.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

It's like

Greg Bach (co-host)

that.

It's a piece of driftwood.

Not bothered.

Jane Matt Nair (host)

That wraps up today's episode of...

Cal (engineer)

This shouldn't be a

Jane Matt Nair (host)

thing.

Thank you, Greg and Calvin and all of our engineers.

Without you, nothing works.

And thank you most of all for calling and for texting and for listening.

It means the world.

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