Meet The Fraudsters! (Hour 2)

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Meet The Fraudsters! (Hour 2)

Matenaer on Air · Thu Mar 27, 2025

Jane Matenaer

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is

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the word.

S N O O Z E. You have until noon.

Okay.

I wanted to talk about this because we touched on this very

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briefly yesterday.

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Howard Lutnick is our new commerce secretary.

Howard Lutnick is worth several.

He's a multimillionaire.

Yes,

Greg Bach

they're all millionaires.

Pretty much

Jane Matenaer

within the new Trump cabinet.

Howard Lutnik had some thoughts on people who could get their Social Security payments later.

Here is what Howard Lutnik had to say about Social Security recipients.

who, because of things going on with the changes there and the cuts there and the office closures there, might not be getting their SSI payments on time.

Calvin, let's play that clip from Howard Lutnik,

please.

makes the loudest noise, screaming, yelling and complaining, do they?

Greg Bach

I, I, okay.

Every time I hear it, I get a little bit, because I just think of a little old lady at the social security office, finally losing her mind because she's being screwed over by guys like him.

and other millionaires when all she wants is the 1200 bucks that she's been paying into for seven decades.

And he has the nerve to say that kind of behavior means well, she's a fraudster.

Jane Matenaer

Again, I don't dispute that there is fraud likely and and.

things that should not be happening within so many different groups, but assuming that everyone who calls me because their check is late is a cheat, I think is a stretch, especially after I happened upon this article this morning from WeAreGreenBay.com.

Adam Rosen with the byline, the headline reads, they stole from every taxpayer in the country.

Wisconsin man ordered to pay $2.2 million in restitution to Medicaid and Medicare.

He just got 21 months in prison.

Yes, Justin Drew Hansen and a co-defendant convicted.

They worked on a three-year scheme.

They paid money to a substance abuse treatment clinic owner in exchange for referrals

for urine drug testing.

So essentially they worked with this substance abuse clinic owner to get him to order urine tests that were unnecessary.

And so they got all this money for Medicare and Medicaid that was paying for these urine tests that were unnecessary.

I bring this up again because when we talk about fraud and abuse,

I think there is this automatic assumption that the people who do this are poor people.

I don't think that's accurate.

Greg Bach

I'm gonna take it out even further.

I believe that most people who, when you deal with the Latinx of the world and the people who do believe that, they not only believe it's a poor people, but it's probably gonna be people of color, people who are illegal immigrants, scamming the system.

They're anybody but just your neighbor or...

someone who might be rich as well.

Jane Matenaer

It turns out because they mentioned that this gentleman, Justin Drew Hansen of River Hills.

Greg Bach

Is that where he

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lives?

He lives in River Hills.

Greg Bach

So

Jane Matenaer

I did a little investigating and I found his house in River Hills.

Yeah.

How much is it?

It's a shack.

Greg Bach

Oh, it's

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just a shack.

It's only got eight bedrooms.

Well, where

Greg Bach

am I going to?

I need a bedroom for every single one of my Lego sets.

Jane Matenaer

This is not the place for you.

It's not the place for you.

But yes, this man just convicted of scamming Medicare and Medicaid lives in a $1.7 million house in River Hills.

So go after those cheats.

I think that's great.

Greg Bach

I'll tell you what, folks, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna put the story in the show notes.

I'm also gonna put the listing in the show notes and you can see the house that we bought him.

Jane Matenaer

Essentially.

Yep.

Essentially.

Again, there's fraud, there's waste.

Yes.

You don't find it by coming in with a chainsaw.

No.

You find it by, oh, I don't know, like the IRS, you add more agents.

who are able to investigate those things.

The same thing with Medicare and Medicaid, if you're looking for fraud, you want a workforce who is dedicated to finding those things, not by cutting tens of thousands of people from an agency.

Greg Bach

And also, let's take a moment just to discuss degrees of fraud, which all fraud is illegal and all fraud is bad, and it should be found out, punished, and taken care of however they need to do it.

But there's a difference between a little old pensioner who may have gotten an extra check by mistake, but said, you know what?

I'll take it.

That's fraud.

And you make them pay it back.

This kind of fraud is the kind of fraud we're talking about with the house.

We're talking about the illegal scamming operation.

This takes connection.

You have to have an operation to start it up.

You have to have access to money funds, land people.

This is not.

the fraud of the guy, the people that Lutnik is talking about.

This is the fraud that said the same country club that Lutnik is at and that Lutnik knows about and turns a blind eye because he doesn't want to P.O.

his friends who are rich.

So let's be clear on what the fraud is that we should be looking for and the important fraud, all fraud is fraud, but I'm talking about like the millionaire's fraud game.

Jane Matenaer

We

Greg Bach

can

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go back and look at the PPP loans.

Oh.

We can go back and look at those folks and how many of those folks really didn't need that money or or cheated

Greg Bach

in

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order to get that money.

Yeah.

Greg Bach

Still, by the way, I'm still waiting for Dozier player, all those fraudsters and when they're going to get

Jane Matenaer

I'll get right back to you for that.

I'm sure when we return, we will lighten things up a little bit.

Brittany Merleau, civic media meteorologist is going to join us next with a little weather and wine.

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We have kind of, it's like a borgish mord of weather coming our way.

Oh, what?

A borgish mord.

Pretty much.

A smorgasbord.

But we really brain feels right now.

Jane Matenaer

We really do have hope.

I mean, it's a little bit of everything over the next couple of days, because this afternoon and tomorrow, at least for Southeast Wisconsin, looks pretty nice.

It sure does.

I mean, upper 50s today and it's gorgeous.

We've got this warm front lifting in overnight.

Unfortunately, though, that does want to spark up a few scattered showers, maybe some rumbles of thunder.

That'll be overnight tonight and through early tomorrow morning.

But then it already starts early tomorrow morning, far, far north.

We could see a little bit of freezing rain mixing in, creating some icy spots.

Meanwhile, down south, I mean, you guys are going to be spiking to highs in the upper 70s.

Jane Matenaer

That's crazy.

And then what?

There's always and then

what?

Jane Matenaer

Yeah,

I know, I know.

Wait, let's get you the good stuff.

Jane Matenaer

Okay, let's enjoy it for just a moment.

70 upper 70s tomorrow little spots of sunshine winds are going to be whipping and then we've got more showers and storms by night.

And of course Saturday it's going to be dreary cloudy temperatures falling a little bit.

Light rain moving in in the afternoon and it's going to ramp up into the evening.

And this is where the problems start for a majority of the state.

This will be Saturday night and into Sunday.

I would not be outside.

Jane Matenaer

No kidding.

Because temperatures are just going to be all over the place and really dangerous.

We're looking at ice accumulations right now with the latest data that came in.

It could be a, you know, a half an inch of ice or sleet accumulation from the cross to Green Bay.

Greg Bach

Oh boy.

Good chunk of the state.

Some data wants to bring that ice accumulation just into Madison area, possibly just north of the Milwaukee area.

So depends exactly where this system hits.

It is going to pack ice.

That's power outages.

That's a whole, I hate ice.

Ice is the worst.

Jane Matenaer

It really is though.

For one thing, it's hard to distinguish what is frozen and what is not.

And it's deceptive.

It's very deceptive.

So.

Again, you're talking specifically about Saturday into Sunday with this icy rain mixture, icy rain-snow mixture, essentially.

Yeah, basically.

So it's going to start Saturday night somewhere central north somewhere and it's going to start working its way south.

So maybe Sunday, you know, more southern areas have that chance and some snow chance does start to flip in there too.

But I really, really think the snow accumulations are going to stay far northwest into the state and maybe about three to six inches.

But some models do want to put three to six inches into central Wisconsin.

Wow.

It's going to be a day by day kind of basis with the system and exactly where those temperatures line up and where the system hits.

But all I know is that Saturday night and Sunday is going to be bad no matter what.

Jane Matenaer

Well, keep up on the forecast.

And if you do have to hit the roads, maybe you have a birthday party, maybe you have, you know, whatever you're going to be doing on Saturday night, utilize that 511.wi.gov app.

because that will bring up the entire state and it will show you where the accidents are and where the closures are and where the slowdowns are.

It's completely free.

It's very, very useful.

It's 511wi.gov.

Just reuse that as a resource.

It's really, it's very, very useful.

Brittany Merleau is here for our weather and wine segment.

You had an interaction with a maple syrup tapper?

Yes, okay, so tis of the season right

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it is

same time as pothole season When we get that freeze and thaw cycle where our temperatures are above freezing during the day The Sun is out like today and we fall below freezing

Two things are happening.

Our potholes are being created.

And then the maple syrup is running in those trees.

So, you know, I called up a local business and I had no idea how big they were and how small they started.

It was pretty inspiring and intriguing, too.

So they're based out of Marathon City called Skinny Sticks.

And he started, he didn't even know how to do it.

You know, he started on his stove, started making like maple wine.

Doesn't

Greg Bach

that look fancy and nice?

and he just worked his butt off, you know, went store to store, was persistent, and met the right people, and bam, he's got, you know, 9000 trees, I believe he said, tapped here in Central Wisconsin, and he's partnered with other places, and they basically...

Those other places in Wisconsin were shipping to Vermont and New Hampshire and mixing their syrup.

Well, he's like, no, no, no, let's keep

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it here.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Took them.

Yeah.

Isn't that cool?

So it was just a big community, local Wisconsin awesomeness.

And I never realized how much they bring in.

I mean, we're fourth in production in the country and yet million dollars in revenue.

Jane Matenaer

Yeah.

Take that, Vermont.

Yeah, take that.

Take that.

The Northeast with your lovely trees.

Right?

Or is it better?

No.

Jane Matenaer

He sounds like a great one for Beyond the Cheese, our segment Beyond the Cheese.

Absolutely.

Or we love to highlight businesses in Wisconsin that are outside of the dairy industry.

We'll do one about maple syrup.

You said it was, it's called skinny sticks.

Skinny sticks, yep.

Mitch Hoyt, out of Marathon City, right here in Central Wisconsin.

Jane Matenaer

Love it.

That's

pretty cool stuff.

You know, the maple syrup season is short.

It's only about a month long.

So to do all of that in that amount of time, he's busy right now.

Jane Matenaer

Brittany Merlot is our Civic Media meteorologist.

She joins us every Thursday at this time for weather and wine.

Thank you so much, Brittany.

Really appreciate it.

News coming up next when we return all things sports.

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Brewers in action against the Yankees today.

That's right.

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Baseball back, baby.

Greg's very excited.

The day is the day.

Big day for Greg Bach.

I can tell.

I can feel the vibes coming through.

He's got his shirt on.

Yep.

Yep, he's got the shirt on.

We're ready.

We're ready for some baseball.

They get to kind of kick off the whole season.

I think it's by two or three minutes.

They have the very first game now.

It's not technically, technically opening day because they had a couple of games in Tokyo, but we don't really need to count those.

We don't count those.

A few Dodgers Cubs games.

So the Brewers will be the first.

Jackson Churio will be the first thing we see.

He is leading off and playing in the outfield today.

So we are here.

It's very fun.

Jane Matenaer

How are you feeling about about the team as as we just get underway?

Baseball is a long season.

Well, I think we've become close enough that you know where I fall, generally, when we talk about projections.

And that's toward the toward the pessimistic side of things.

I'm not like a real

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Brewer's fan.

Yes, you know, like I'm Wisconsin, you know, not born, but mostly completely raised.

And I definitely come by this honestly.

But I don't I think.

I believe that this is where the magic runs out.

I think this team has risen above circumstances, talent, however you want to look at it over the past several years.

I think there is some alchemy there that I can't explain that has enabled them, and a lot of it is on the defensive side, enabled them to be a very good team into win division titles and to compete for the playoffs.

I mean, they really haven't been an uncompetitive team at the end of the season.

For a decade like 2016 really is the last time that they were I mean, I don't know what we call 2020 they went to the playoffs so whatever But like 2016 is the last time they really just weren't they weren't in it in the last week of the season so

You know anytime I say I think this team is just gonna be a 500 with maybe slightly above 500 team I'm working against history because history shows it doesn't matter what they look like on paper They have found a way to stay competitive and you have to acknowledge that But I just think that at some point their unwillingness to spend money on and sort of supplement what they already have I think their pitching is really pretty thin this year and some of the injuries early in the season

I think if kind of born that out, I think we're already talking about guys that, you know, you really didn't want to rely on and it's only, it's only the first day of the season, uh, who are going to be starting games.

So I am worried about this team.

I predicted them to finish 82 and 80 in our newspaper in the Journal Sentinel.

I imagine people will view that as pessimistic that this is a team that has earned the trust that they are at least an 86 win team and a team that will compete for the division title.

I feel like this is maybe where it runs out because I don't trust the pitching, but I didn't trust them last year either.

They won 93 games and showed me.

So what really do I

Jane Matenaer

know?

Well, but I do think and you mentioned the.

And it certainly seems like a major unwillingness on the part of the Brewers to shell out any money for some, for some players that we could really use.

Greg Bach

Not just shelling out money, but also cutting the budget every single, the payroll every single season.

Yeah, I've pointed this out many times, probably on this show that they went down in payroll the last two seasons, you know, into the 2023 and the 2024 season, and they won more games both times.

They won 94 and the 90 or 92 and the 93 games.

Um, they are not going down in payroll, but they're staying pretty static.

It's pretty much where they are.

And as you can imagine in a sports ecosystem where everybody's spending more and more and more to stay static is essentially to go backwards.

So not, not impressed with their off season.

I think they had some obvious holes to fill and just plainly did not fill them.

They're, you know, Vinnie Capra had a great spring and I think he could be a really cool story.

And maybe, you know, maybe there is a change here that makes him a really, really key big leager for this team.

It's possible.

But it is stunning to me that we are on opening day and Vinny Capra is your opening day third baseman.

I was sure that they would have a different solution there that they would bring in somebody with experience or somebody who you could really trust to fill out this infield.

Now there were not a lot of third baseman on the open market.

Um, you know, they could have moved Joe or kept Joey Ortiz a third move.

Bryce trying to shortstop there.

There are options.

There could have been a trade.

So I don't want to pretend like there was obvious choices out there.

There was like one good third baseman on the market.

And he went to the Boston Red Sox.

more money than even I think the Cubs were willing you know Cubs had offered him more money and he took less money to go to Boston so probably unattainable but I can't believe that this is the Brewers infield that infield does not look good so I personally yes I think that they had an opportunity to go for more but I again have thought that in the past and they ended up

You know laying it on their feet so they have an internal system that can tell them what they they expect from the players that they have they obviously know the players they have Better than anybody else and they feel like they have a handle on it.

So we'll see

Greg Bach

I think it's the weird thing that we We are always so downtrodden in the face of lowering the payroll in the face of slashing Pay not going for the big got going for bigger fish all these decisions that they do every single year because let's face it

Last year with Jackson Cheerio, we were like, oh my God, are we gonna, are we gonna go for it?

Like really?

We always say they're gonna do fine to poor.

They do better than we expect.

But then we'll be a year from now, right back here going, why won't they just spend a little bit of money?

Why?

Like just, I'm not asking them to have a Yankees payroll.

I'm asking them to have like, maybe,

10 million extra dollars a year.

And I know that sounds like a lot.

That's a lot of money, but in baseball versus other teams.

I mean, we used to, I think, I think 2018, I think we had a $120 million payroll somewhere in that like one 15 to one 20, and it's just gone down, down, and down.

And I was like, why can't we just buy

Jane Matenaer

a good one?

Well, and at some point, aren't the, I just think the fans are going to get fed up.

And I think to

some degree, and I don't know if it's just payroll, there's a lot baked into this guy, but some degree they have.

They have gone down in attendance.

It's not dramatic.

I don't think it even affects their bottom line.

It's that limited amount, but they've.

The enthusiasm has waned a little bit.

I actually think the TV situation has a lot to do with both things that we're talking about because the lack of TV revenue, which has gone down across baseball, the local regional streaming, the whole thing has been a difficult challenge for baseball to navigate.

This is not a national sport.

It's a regional sport.

It relies on that, those regional dollars.

And if the, you know, those, those regional sports networks can't afford to pay for, for things or simply are just, it's just not as lucrative a system.

Uh, that is bad for a team like the brewers.

Uh, and I think not having TV options for all the streaming services have made some people check out, you know, on the, on the brewers, it's more like, uh, maybe we go once or twice a year.

It's not like, Oh, we're really engaged with how they're doing in the playoffs.

You know, playoff chase and we're going to go maybe once a month, you know, so I think, I think that's all kind of kind of tied in.

It's, it's, it's a tough financial.

package you don't ever really know, like, are the brewers, like, are they making money hand over fist while subtracting payroll?

I don't think it's quite like that.

I don't think it's like a grift exactly.

I do think there are things challenges that they have in Milwaukee versus bigger cities.

But I agree with what you're saying, 10 million, which again, is a huge amount of money to you and me, but not to a baseball team.

You know, that would seem like a fair amount extra that you could put into this roster.

They kind of

in their impression kind of did some of that last year when they brought in Reese Hoskins, it didn't work out.

I mean, not to this, not to the degree they would have liked.

So maybe that they're a little bit burned by that, but, but also they have a model where they've gone down in money and gone up and wins.

I mean, how do you convince an owner to say, you know, turn around and say, okay, now is the time to spend when they have had this success while going down.

It's a, it's a tough, that's a tough thing to sell.

Greg Bach

But it doesn't feel like a money ball situation where there are, where they are going down in money.

and it feels like luck sometimes.

And that's where I bat.

I feel like the magic runs out, right?

I feel like your alchemy, as good as it is, is winning around the fringes and using defense and stuff, that at some point...

It doesn't it doesn't all go their way.

I don't think it's all luck It's not so it's not like money ball was about finding inefficiencies players and other people didn't want who were secretly good at things Yeah, I think the Brewers have a system that is like objectively good the way that they develop players Jackson Cheerio is a great example the way that they have committed Resources into you know, Latin development and how the players that are coming up through the system are really really good I do think they identify players talent wise better than a lot of teams and they've made that work

and they've figured out how to get the most out of pitchers.

I think that's legitimate too.

I just, you know, I look at the pitching this year and I'm just like, Oh, they're relying on a lot of crazy things going well.

And somebody just, you know, kind of do it Tobias Myers did last year, pop up out of nowhere to become a really solid contributor.

I just, I don't know if I see that happening again.

That part does feel like a little bit like the luck could be running out.

Jane Matenaer

We are talking baseball with Milwaukee Journal, Sentinel Sports Guru JR Radcliffe speaking of today's game Brewers at the Yankees.

You can listen.

if you can listen to the radio.

Specifically, our coverage starts at 1.30.

Catch the game today on WRCE in Richland Center, WISS in Oshkosh, WRJN here in Racine and Kenosha, WCQM in Park Falls, and our newest Brewer's Affiliate WBZH in Hayward.

Again, our Brewer's coverage starts today at 1.30.

JR, let's move over to the Bucks and is Dame Limer...

Lillard done

It doesn't look good.

By the way, shout out to Park Falls, Wisconsin.

That's right.

I spent all my elementary school years It doesn't look good for Damian Lillard.

It is a deep vein thrombosis better known as a blood clot in the calf

That is the type of thing that is obviously not something that you mess around with.

It's treatable.

It's very treatable.

But he's not going to be able to play basketball for a while.

They have to make sure this thing resolves.

Victor Wembanyama had a blood clot in his shoulder earlier this year.

It was diagnosed in February, and the Spurs just plain said, forget it, he's done for the year.

Now, Victor Wembanyama, the Spurs are not a championship caliber contending team, and he is a young player in his second year, and I'm sure the Spurs were like, you know what, we have no reason to mess around with this, whereas Damian Lillard, a veteran on a team where he is so essential to their playoff hopes, you could see them rushing this, but this is a...

This is a delicate thing.

This isn't like a tolerate the pain, right?

This is a that thing has to be gone or it could break off and get into your lungs and cause a cat a catastrophe.

Absolutely.

So I I I can't imagine he's back before the playoffs.

And then the question is, does he have it in him to go through reps and get back up to speed and conditioning and stuff?

Cause, you know, he's not like training the whole time.

It's not like, oh, he's got a broken hand and he can like stay healthy by doing all the normal stuff.

He can't do that.

Right.

So I.

I don't think you're you're certainly not going to get a full version of Damien Lillard.

I can't imagine when we get to the playoffs.

I would be surprised if we see him at all.

I think it's I think it's probably season ending.

They just don't want to say that yet.

Jane Matenaer

Well, and we certainly wish him well.

And as you said, J.R., that's a very serious thing.

A blood clot is not something that you mess around with.

That that that that can kill you.

So yeah, we we we we hope he recovers and that's the priority right now.

Yeah, really.

And I mean, again, treatable blood thinning medication will do it and it sounds like it's already helping.

But like then you're on blood thinning medication and you can't just like go play what is essentially a contact sport, you know, you can't get an inch, you know, even a bruise is going to be something that is completely different than it would be normally if you're not on the medication.

So that's another complication.

And again, I just don't know if they can get him back to speed, even if this resolves quickly, get back up to speed to be ready for what's going to happen at the end of April.

Jane Matenaer

You can follow JR and read all his coverage in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

He joins us every.

another Thursday to talk all things sports.

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Galvin, it's 11.53, that means it is time for...

Greg Bach

This shouldn't be a thing!

Jane Matenaer

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who is producer for Earl Ingram right before us.

He was the one who pointed this out to me this morning, said, oh, I think this would be a, this is a tis bat for sure.

And he is so right.

This is from ad week.

Lucky Brittany Kiefer with the byline.

The headline reads, not everyone wants to join KFC's gravy cult as ads draw backlash.

Kentucky Fried Chicken.

launched a new ad campaign earlier this month in the UK.

And we're gonna include a link to the ad in the show notes because you have to see the weirdness yourself.

Greg Bach

We cannot possibly describe

Jane Matenaer

to you.

Or do it justice.

Oh my gosh.

The ad depicts a man who was lost in the woods.

He follows a group of mysterious strangers who are carrying a giant golden egg.

Now keep in mind this is a KFC commercial.

They end up at a lake of gravy.

as one does, where they baptize the man and induct him into the cult of KFC.

Now, after they dip him in the lake of gravy, he comes up as a piece of extra crispy chicken.

Greg Bach

Which means I don't think that he's becoming part of the cult.

I think he's become their idol.

It

Jane Matenaer

is truly weird.

It's a really, really strange ad.

It's two

Greg Bach

minutes long.

Jane Matenaer

Yeah, it's a long commercial, but they are appealing specifically to Gen Z. Yes.

They think this is going to resonate with them, even though two minutes seems like a long time and requires a certain amount of concentration.

Yeah.

Uh, now it's generating all kinds of complaints.

Greg Bach

It's called all hail gravy.

Jane Matenaer

It's, yes.

Grishals, again, from KFC is called all hail gravy.

Now complaints are coming in from people saying the ad is promoting cannibalism.

Oh my god.

It glorifies cults and Satanism.

Jesus.

And mocks Christianity and baptism.

Greg Bach

Okay.

You know what?

Seriously.

This is the thing that shouldn't be.

This commercial is fantastic.

And I skipped this part of the article.

This is part two.

Jane Matenaer

Oh, there's a part one.

Greg Bach

There's a part one.

What am I doing with my life?

But the people who are like, it's mocking and glorify.

Get

Jane Matenaer

over yourselves.

I think you were putting way too much into this ad.

Agreed.

Calvin, you are the person who is closest in age to the demographic that they're trying to reach.

Does all hail gravy resonate with you?

Are you more inclined now to go get KFC?

I'm curious.

I can't say this inspires me to get KFC, but I did find the ad quite entertaining.

From a critical perspective, I think more cinematic music would have fit the ad better than the hip-hop break they did in it.

Fair criticism.

I thought it was unique.

Cool commercial.

Greg Bach

It's beautifully shot and has better CGI than some Marvel movies I've seen.

Jane Matenaer

The executive director of this ad agency that came up with it, Martin Rose, says we are being polarizing because we want conversation.

Since the first part of this ad aired last year, the campaign has boosted KFC's brand reputation scores, increased its brand modernity score,

and they have seen positive sales momentum.

So apparently it's working.

Greg Bach

And breaking news from God, God says, thought it was funny too.

You liked it, okay.

Jane Matenaer

We will include this as we said in the show.

Greg Bach

Oh, it's so included in it.

Jane Matenaer

If you want to take a look and I would be, are you inspired now to go get some extra crispy chicken?

Greg Bach

I'm inspired to get chicken, just maybe not from them.

Jane Matenaer

Maybe not from them.

That wraps up today's episode of...

Greg Bach

This shouldn't be a thing.

Jane Matenaer

Coming up on the show tomorrow, Judge Susan Crawford is going to be joining us

Greg Bach

in

Jane Matenaer

the first hour.

We are just days away in hour number two.

Sorry.

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