Here Come The Judges! (Hour 1)

Good morning.

Welcome.

Welcome.

Welcome to Matt and air.

My name is Greg Bach.

I'm sitting in for Jane Matt and air, who is taking a little vacation and she will be returning on Tuesday, but I'll be here in her stead.

As always, I've got Mr Calby on the boards.

Calvin, how are you doing this morning?

I'm doing pretty good.

Great.

How are you?

I'm doing a great, great time.

I'm having a great, great show of already we're just started.

Calvin just started.

We've got a very, very PAC show for you today at 10 30.

Jim Santel, a host of amicus, a law review will be here as he is every, every Thursday to talk about all of the news in the world of law.

We're going to be talking about impeaching justices.

We're going to be talking about, uh, we're going to be talking about that.

We're going to be talking about a surprising decision from justice Roberts on the impeachment of judges from the lower courts, which.

Didn't go exactly the way of President Trump.

We're also going to be talking about the upcoming election on April 1st.

We'll get into that in a little bit in a moment.

And of course, it's Thursday, so in the 11 o'clock hour, we'll be talking to Brittany Merleau with some weather and wine.

Paul Newton is here with the sports and at 1150, as always, this shouldn't be a thing.

But just to give you an update, today, the average price of milk, a gallon of regular milk in Wisconsin is 317.

No change from yesterday as well as the price of a dozen eggs is 561.

No change from yesterday.

When I win, I will immediately bring prices down starting on day one.

Well, better late than never, I guess, who can hurt him for trying, I guess, folks.

As I said before, April 1st is election day, springtime election, smaller election, as we will mention on this show from time to time, not as sexy as an election, but you know what?

We still want you to be a voter and you can do that.

You can actually start voting absentee in person today.

As of this past Tuesday, you can go to your local city hall, town hall, village hall, wherever you.

early vote, you can cast your ballot right now for the April 1st election.

Don't know where that is.

Simple.

Go to myvote.wi.gov, click in your information, and it's going to tell you where you can early vote.

It will also tell you who is on your ballot, what is on your ballot, and who represents you.

As we said, it's not him.

You know, this is not a senatorial.

This is not a Senate race.

This is not a congressional race.

As we were talking about, we're talking about the Wisconsin Supreme Court, which

As we talked about two years ago, hanging in the balance.

Do we want to go backwards?

Or do we want to go forwards with fairer maps?

More balance on the court, more balanced thinking on the court.

Or do we want to go backwards and maybe all the way to the mid 19th century with regard to healthcare access for women?

So that choice is yours.

Go to myvote.wi.gov for more information on that.

And yeah, if you've already voted,

Call us, reach out, find, let us know what's going on with that.

Was it easy?

Was it hard?

Where did you go?

How was your experience?

You can always contact us, 855-75-CIVIC, 855-752-4842.

If you're on the live stream, you can always leave a comment as well.

Tell us how your voting experience has been if you've already voted.

We'd love to hear from you on that matter.

But, Cal, you, if I'm not mistaken, you are a vote on the day guy.

Yes, I always have been I

always have been and I always will be I vote on the day and that's a and they don't make good songs anymore And you got you got all taken care of you all registered.

You're all good to go

Assuming and I know maybe we should not assume anymore assuming I have not been purged from the voter rolls Then yes, I am good to go

well and that actually Calvin.

I'm glad you brought that up because

Whether it's nefarious or whether it's natural names can be dropped from the voter rolls.

We've seen stories from all over the country of attorneys general Trying to purge voter rolls for their various reasons and in Wisconsin, you know, that's not as much of the case But they do come off naturally if you move and you don't re-register or if you don't answer You know correspondence from

the state on your location.

So that's why going to myvote.wi.gov is so important because you can actually see if you register.

Now you can register on the day of election, which is great.

That is wonderful.

I'm waiting for the powers to be to say we should take that away as well because they want voter ID and that's ridiculous.

It's not a thing, but.

right now you can register on the day, but you can register right now by going to myvote.wi.gov.

And that way you're all set to go.

Don't forget you do need your ID, which I'm not going to talk about right now, because I will spend my show, Todd's show, and Maggie's show talking about voter ID.

But go to myvote.wi.gov, get all your information, take care.

If you have any questions,

can touch with them.

They'll be happy to help you out with this.

PJ on the live stream says, yes, I dropped my ballot off yesterday.

Nina has a drop box in the lobby of the city building.

That's excellent.

Good job.

PJ and Cassandra says, I've been reminding my quote, like-minded friends to go to vote early.

Yes.

As we say on the show too, make a plan, take some friends and then treat yourself afterwards.

Go see a movie, get some brunch.

I don't know.

Buy some shoes.

I would buy some shoes.

I love shoes.

But point is vote.

Be a voter.

Voting is cool.

And that's all I'm going to say about it until probably about 30 seconds from now, Calvin.

So we are talking about the election though.

And the election we have, and I want to talk about specifically about the Supreme Court race, which is between judge Susan Crawford and Brad Schimmel.

And as we get closer and closer to the election, I just have a really quick question for everyone out there.

Is Brad Schimmel the best candidate for that side of the party?

Or that mean that's, that's, that's actually my point is we have two candidates and Brad Schimmel is doing everything he can to let you know that he is a conservative, right?

Very right-leaning.

And it's not even that anymore.

It's he's openly hostile towards colleagues, towards members of the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

He wants to strip away abortion rights to the very bones of the words of 1849.

And I just got to ask, is Brad Schimel the best guy to be running right now?

Is he the one that you want?

I mean, I assume so.

People are going to vote for him.

But this reminds me, Cal, of two years ago when Brian Kelly was running as well.

And it just seemed like this, this hostile, angry, bitter, insulting,

Campaign where you're just saying horrible things about the people who work in the same industry that you do and to me that doesn't represent a fair a Balanced mind to me that just sounds like a toddler throwing a tantrum or just someone who's just not someone you want making these huge decisions for the state

Yeah, I mean even if you expand it beyond judges and you go back to the fat past like five statewide elections

It seems like the Republicans have one playbook and it's only worked once and it was with an incumbent.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, he is referred to, I'm looking at an article here from Daniel Bison, the Milwaukee Journal of Sentinel.

He has referred to justices as dumb as a sack of hammers and another one as addled.

I mean, this is, these are, if he wins, some of these individuals will be his colleagues on the bench.

How is that going to go down?

every day at work when you know that this guy essentially hates you.

I mean, Cassandra makes a very good point.

Sounds like a president.

Very good point, Cassandra.

Very, very good point.

But that's the thing is you want, look, in politics, you shake hands and you smile and you may have a closed door opinion on somebody.

Understood.

But to be this outwardly aggressive, I mean, he's, he has actually gone after

Justice Haggadorn too, and who is a, excuse me, who is a conservative.

And the reason why he's going after him is because Justice Haggadorn had the gall, the gall to say that the 2020 election was not stolen.

That was what sent them over the edge with Justice Haggar.

He's a rhino.

He's all the things.

It just, it doesn't make sense to me that

he should have been allowed to make it this far.

And I think because he's been running for 16 months, he's been running under the radar.

We've only been paying attention to this race for about three and a half months now.

And he's been flying on the radar, going to a lot of events.

He says himself, he goes to a lot of events, shakes a lot of hands.

And he says that the people of Wisconsin, say the Wisconsin Supreme Court is messed up, which I don't know where he gets that information, where that data comes from.

I'm still waiting for him to show his work, but.

This is the kind of mind who would be sitting on the court.

This is the kind of mind who would be interacting with Left-leaning right-leaning conservative liberal justices and it just to me seems like Not someone you want to deal with on a regular basis.

He called Justice Brian Hagedore soft headed He said that we got burned with him because he had the audacity to say that the 2020 election wasn't stolen

Which we know wasn't because we did a lot of research on that.

$2 million worth.

We paid for it.

Robin Voss says it was fine.

Justice Hagedore says it was fine, but that's, I mean, and, and now he's going back to the old days of bringing up bags of ballots in Milwaukee.

Like this is just 2024 all over again, where we had to listen to them plather on about 2020.

Tony on the live stream says Schimel is too dramatic for the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

What a diva I don't disagree with that and honestly, I'm thinking about future colleagues I mean, what will he be?

How will he be?

deciding on certain things and also he has made no No bones about Speaking his opinion on abortion on election and how they are run.

He has talked openly about his dislike for

healthcare in this in this country and frankly if any of those things come before the Supreme Court of Wisconsin I would expect Then justice Shimmel to recuse himself, but do you think that's gonna happen Calvin?

Do you think there is a version in the multiverse in the vast gigantic multiverse?

Do you think there's a version of Brad Shimmel that recuses himself even though he's spoken out directly and Passionately about how he cares about these topics

Well, no, obviously not because that would make Elon Musk very upset.

Yeah, and we're

gonna talk about Elon Musk later at 11 o'clock We're gonna talk a little bit about his disinformation campaign here in Wisconsin and the Wisconsin Journal Sentinel came out with an editorial that basically says

This is, this is disgusting.

This is not good.

We do not like this.

And we'll talk more about Elon and what he is doing to try to get Brad Schimmel to win because this is, you know, he's got his tentacles in Wisconsin for another billionaire, Calvin, another millionaire, billionaire who wants Wisconsin because it just feel it's theirs.

And so he can sell a few cards.

We'll talk more about that one o'clock.

Gene, I see you on the line.

Don't hang up.

We're going to get you when we come back from the break.

We're going to get some water, get a snack, take care of yourself.

Don't go anywhere.

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Stay close.

Good morning.

Welcome back to Matt and Aaron air listening to on the civic media radio network coming at you with some classic 80s rush right there.

Thank you very much, Calvin.

I always love when you play the rush for us.

Uh, we were talking about the upcoming election, the April 1st election.

You can vote.

absentee in person right now, just go to my vote.wi.gov to find out more information on that.

We had some people on the text line.

Mark from Prairie Due Sack says, I voted Tuesday here in Prairie Due Sack as I was leaving another person was asking for a ballot.

And then he said, after I voted, I went to the Capitol 245 Women's Rally, great event.

Thank you so much for sharing that.

And then also,

Yeah, we had a, you had some other people commenting on the, on the live stream as well.

Thank you very much for getting in touch with us.

Um, we wanted to just talk to you basically about the question is, you know, Brad Schimel, is he, is he the best we can do?

You know, Susan Crawford, and when it comes to a judge's race, it's supposed to be an impartial nonpartisan.

Keep it down the middle.

We know that one side swings one way.

We know one side swings the other way.

But they're supposed to stay a little more center balanced and you allow people to Kind of speak on your behalf if you will you like, you know, you know, you know where they'll stand as far as the issues go but People like Justice Janet Prosewicz and Judge Susan Crawford are doing that right now They're keeping it down the middle because you know if they would have said either I mean My goodness Janet Prosewicz said the the maps were rigged and the Republicans

lost their minds saying she has to recuse herself.

Well, she doesn't have to because if, um, if, uh, Brad doesn't have to, if no one's bringing it up, then I don't want to hear anymore about recusal, but Gene has been very patient.

Gene, Gene, you know, Claire's on the phone right now.

Gene, what's going on?

I

think this is a very good topic and thank you for bringing this up because you know what?

I am getting sick to death.

of all the hate.

You know, hatred toward women, hatred toward people of color, hatred toward veterans' assistance, hatred toward the elderly and social security, Medicare, hatred toward the poor, hatred toward those who care about the environment, hate, hate, hate, hate, and we're going to have 10 more years of hate.

Yeah.

I mean, Gene, that's a very good point.

I mean, that's another thing that I don't know why I didn't bring up.

Thank you for reminding me, Gene.

And thank you so much for calling.

Brad Schimmel has said he's going to be the, he's going to help make sure the Trump agenda gets done here in Wisconsin.

And to me, if you do not like the Trump agenda, you should not be voting for Brad Schimmel.

Not to mention the fact that a guy running for Wisconsin Supreme Court should not be saying in the first place.

He just shouldn't be.

His job is to go out there, talk to people, find out what was concerning them, and then on the merits of their job, try to get elected, not by sucking up to a guy who is just today, and we'll talk maybe about this with Jim Santel a little bit, who's just today, and now it's finally, he's going to sign an executive order to dismantle the Department of Education.

So if that's what you like in a guy, I guess Brad Schimmel's your dude, but I think that the way that he's been running this campaign is,

One of the reasons why I'm not a huge fan of judges races in the first place, it makes you take a side.

And then it's just about making sure you slam the other one as hard as possible.

Robert and West Dallas is on the phone.

Robert, what's going on, my friend?

Um, you know, I think his temperament is going to be similar to David Prosser's.

Remember doing act 10, he couldn't handle, uh, was it Justice Ann Bradley?

So he decided to choker.

We should have been in prison.

Um, I think that's what we're going to see for Trump Schimel.

And I think overall, I'm really worried about this race.

I think we're in trouble with it.

I think we need to take the blinders off.

We're still trying to pretend this is nonpartisan.

But when we had Lewis Butler's race and they started to darken his skin and try to associate him with some kind of weak on crime type of justice.

Um, that's really where we're in Wisconsin change where where judges weren't judging by the lawn right down the middle I mean, this is the holy enchilada right back in it's fair maps.

We have better maps.

We don't have fair map.

Yeah I would like to see the national people out here.

I want to see aOC show up and bring out the students I went Brock Obama here.

Where's Bruce Springsteen?

God, I mean this this would really set us up for the next 10 years

And then maybe they could start working on Iowa or some of these other states.

If, if we get Schimel in there, we're really going backward.

Yeah.

I don't doubt that.

And I don't disagree with you to the most part.

I feel like we've, you know, when Eric Jr is coming into town to pump, plump for Brad Schimel, maybe then some of the big guns need to be pulled out for the, for the other side.

Thank you so much, Robert, for calling.

I appreciate it.

And also, you know,

Well, we should have learned our lesson with Daniel Kelly, too.

He was just as divisive.

He was just as vitriolic.

He was not a pleasant man to listen to speak.

And if you want any proof of that, look up Daniel Kelly concession speech after he lost to now justice protest, which it was one of the darkest things I've ever heard next to maybe

a Trump inauguration speech.

Robert on the live stream says Brad Schimel doesn't care about the rule of law.

He hasn't given any solid reasons why convicted J6 insurrections were treated, were not treated fairly.

Also, he has, he hasn't given any solid points to Trump's ingenious.

He would, he'd be able to push onto the court because there are none.

Thank you very much, Robert, for reaching out.

Cassandra in New London got a little bit of time.

What say you, my friend?

Welcome back to the show.

Good morning, guys.

So, yes, I agree, like, Schimel's not a good choice.

I think there's also needs to be some education, like, as far as the other things are on the ballot, like, just here in New London, like, we have a school board raise.

Yeah, absolutely.

And I think people kind of, people just kind of forget about those.

Yeah.

And it can be very disturbing because you don't really need any qualifications to be on the school board, unfortunately.

And,

you

know,

we

have two people here

in particular, who their biggest thing they're pushing to get votes here in this very red city is that we need to protect our girls from trans kids.

And

it's so, it's, it's gross.

Like one of our candidates is actually talking about how it's a mental illness and that

I mean, really just bringing up conversion therapy, which was really scary.

And it's like, why are we talking about this at a school board meeting?

Absolutely.

Because, Andrew, we're right up at the breaks.

I cut you off there.

I apologize.

But thank you so much for calling.

And I don't disagree.

That's when we got to share what we know, talk to our friends and family.

Find out what's on your ballot and talk to the people who are in your neighborhood because you can make the difference on your block in your neighborhood.

So my vote.wi.gov for more information on what's on your ballot.

When we come back, Jim Santel will be here to talk about the law because he does it so well.

And we're so excited to have him here.

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Good, good morning and welcome back to Matt and air on air.

My name is Greg box.

Sitting in for Jane, Matt and air who is off gallivanting the world for a few days, but we'll be back on Tuesday.

Of course, we always have sweet Cal B behind the boards and that sound that music can mean only one thing.

It's Thursday.

It's 10 34 and we're welcoming Jim Santel, the host of amicus, a law review to the show again.

Mr. Santel, how be you today?

Greg, I am doing well in our America.

It still is our America.

I'm delighted to be with you and Calvin and all your listeners as always.

Excellent.

Well, we are going to be spending the next half an hour talking to Mr. Santel about all the major news that has to do with the law, whether it's a local law or whether it's, you know, coming out of the Supreme Court and something from the Supreme Court dropped.

I believe it was yesterday or maybe two days ago coming from the court regarding the.

Impeaching of lower court justices or lower court judges and a surprising verdict or surprising decision from Justice Roberts.

Jim, can you tell us more about it?

Absolutely.

Again, this comes from what is arguably the hottest, but latest story of this week having to do with a US District Court judge.

His name is James Bosberg.

He's in the District of Columbia.

He is the one who is giving the appropriately giving this administration trouble.

And that's understating it wildly for its decision to pack up and transport some Venezuelan migrants.

We don't know exactly what their status is.

The White House maintains that they're gang leaders, and we've got to get rid of them.

And under a centuries old law, the president thinks he can do this in any event.

James Bosberg basically directing the White House to stop it.

And he's having hearings, again, one starting in just a few hours here.

asking the administration to explain whether it violated his own directive to stop those planes, keep them on the ground, not send these folks back.

And again, the White House and the Department of Justice have some explaining to do, as you often say.

We'll see how that plays out.

But all of that, all of that prompts our president, our president to say, contrary to everything we've known for 250 years,

that, you know, just judges should be impeached.

He's plainly focusing on this one, among others who have who are many in the recent weeks and a couple of months who have said no, Mr. President, you can't do unconstitutional things is proposed that they be they be removed from office, that they be impeached.

And yes, indeed, John Roberts in an all too rare statement, all too rare.

John Roberts, nothing wrong with your being out there, articulating what the civics of America says this.

He says, for more than two centuries, it's been established that impeachment is not, not an appropriate response to disagreement concerning a judicial decision.

The normal appellate review process exists for that purpose.

And he goes on to teach the president of the United States of America a little bit about how this works.

It is stunning that he should have to say that.

And I would go to the next step after we digest that a bit and say,

a little bit too late, John Roberts.

Also, a little bit too late.

Nice for you to say that.

It would also be nice for you to frankly, write a letter.

And he mentions Donald Trump in nothing.

His

name

does not appear.

Here's his address, Mr. Chief Justice is 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, DC.

I got the zip code for you to 0500 write the letter, publish that and tell him to knock it off.

Don't just issue these.

He's right about it.

And he's good to do it, but it's not enough.

And also, coming as it did, which we can revisit again this morning, eight months ago, basically, it was John Roberts himself who empowered Donald Trump to do exactly what he is doing.

How dare you, Mr. Chief Justice, now maintain.

Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Can't be going this far.

Went back on July 1.

You gave this president in that catastrophic order, incredible powers.

And I can read some of the language.

We've talked about this before, Greg.

But it is stunning that now the Chief Justice says, whoa, this is too far.

You're the one who put him in this posture.

And if we point fingers at all, no violence here,

but point fingers

in terms of who is responsible.

I put a lot of this at the Chief Justice's feet.

I mean, the thing is, we can't forget, I believe it was at the

the president's speech two weeks ago, he walked up to Justice Roberts, Chief Justice Roberts, and said, I won't forget you for that.

I won't forget you.

I mean, stunning, right?

And so I guess my question as a non lawyer, non judge, I'm none of those, I'm none of those jobs, you know, he's trying to make, well, first of all, it seems like he's saying.

You can't do that.

Cause I don't want to lose my job.

Cause we always say the same thing.

We say the same thing over and over again, which is you are only as, you are only good to Trump until you are no longer good for him and he will get rid of you.

And so he's trying to, he's trying to put his anchor down to say, you can't do this cause I don't want to lose my job, but I won't say anything cause I don't want to lose my job.

And now I've done my, I've done my duty.

I'll go back to the chambers and I'll pretend it did nothing.

I'll retreat back to my office in the Capitol Hill and he probably, I wonder how much pressure even he was under from other judges around the country, even his fellow justices.

I'm not saying that Sam Alito or Clarence Thomas was pounding in his door saying, gotta do something here.

And maybe the other justices were also saying, we need to do some pushback here.

And thankfully he did it.

But once again, not only, and Greg could not be more pointed.

Why was Donald Trump

tapping the Chief Justice on the shoulder on January 20th saying, we won't forget this because it was John Roberts Penn that kept Donald Trump from being exposed ultimately to a criminal conviction.

What did John Roberts say?

That is visiting again, he says, the President occupies a unique position in the constitutional scheme.

Not really.

There are three branches altogether, Mr. Chief Justice.

And he talks about how we need, that we need to have, and here's his words.

This is what John Roberts said eight months ago.

Energetic, vigorous, decisive, speedy, placing in the hands of a single constitutionally indispensable individual, ultimate authority.

He goes on to talk about the purpose of a vigorous and energetic executive is to ensure good government because a feeble executive implies

a feeble execution of government, framers a vested president with supervisory and policy responsibilities of utmost discretion and sensitivity.

Those are your words, Mr. Chief Justice, of eight months ago.

And so it's very nice, once again, for you to say, oh, oh, oh, oh, but you can't be impeaching judges.

Yes, that's right.

But you set this up.

Did you not?

And again, if

I were in a position of some responsibility there.

Frankly, even media should be going after him.

Again, not in terms of any violence, but asking him if you ever get the chance, how do you reconcile these two things that you've said?

Can't impeach, and nonetheless, giving this president any executive is huge powers, indispensable, vigorous, can't be feeble, maximum ability, says to do your fearlessly and impartially with the duties of his office.

Wow.

And now we're saying, but not so much.

You've got to be responsible across the board, Mr. Chief Justice, and this is not it.

No, and correct me if I'm wrong, Jim, but John Roberts, though a conservative, though appointed by George W. Bush, has voted, ruled and written on decisions where he has irked the right.

Absolutely.

And he has, he has it.

And it's interesting to me that, you know, he has done all those things.

And now he's writing this letter that's like real milk toast in the face of a much bigger decision from, as you said, in July, where he's saying the president, the president, you can't touch him.

And even though all three branches, you know, all the leaders of the branches should, well, should in a perfect world have some sort of, uh,

standard they're held to and consequences for an action.

But we're seeing that even with the Supreme Court, we're not going to, no, no one's, no one's going to take anyone off the Supreme Court anytime soon.

And they know they can, they can, they can run around with impunity.

And, and it's just sort of the way it is now.

And that's the real frustrating thing for me, Jim, is that it's just kind of feels like, well, that's how things are now.

That's the standard.

It becomes the status quo.

When there are any other circumstances, you and I and Calvin also have lived long enough to recall a time

Frankly, it was about three months ago, and certainly before the first Trump term, when Republican and Democratic presidents alike, attorneys general, Republican and Democratic, my boss was Eric Holder.

I worked under nine different attorneys general.

Most of them were under Republican administrations.

You had a sense, you may disagree with him on big picture issues like how much we should emphasize environment and how much we should do, and I trust.

And what should we do in commerce, those kinds of things?

Those are where the political partisan divisions should be, and we can have vigorous disagreements, reasonable people can disagree.

These are the kinds of things that should not be at all the subject of disagreement.

And the fact that we're raising these fundamental notions as first principles and going back to notions about whether or not James Madison did in fact say that there are three branches of government, and oh, by the way, you are not the law.

When in fact that has been established again for all of my lifetime all of yours the lifetimes of all of your listeners and our great great great great grandparents all of that again And your I think your point is well taken now today as we wake up on this wonderful Thursday morning You think well, okay?

That's just the way the world is no our hair should be on fire about

these

things and we should be writing those letters not just to

to the Chief Justice, but to our representatives, frankly, local state and federal as well, telling them this is not acceptable.

And we should be showing up at all those town hall meetings and insisting on responses from our local representatives.

That's what James Madison contemplated, absolutely.

If you're just tuning in, we're talking to Jim Santel, who is a former U.S.

attorney, current practicing attorney and host of Amicus, a law review, which you can catch every Saturday at 9am here on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Before we go to break really quick, we're talking about a new norm, talking about hair being on fire.

The big news this morning, breaking that the president is going to be issuing an executive order dismantling the Department of Education.

Is this just going to go right in front of a judge?

And we can talk about a little bit and come back to the break and expound upon it.

But it just feels like this is yet another piece of paper that's going to be signed.

It's going to get in front of a judge.

And they're going to be like, no, you can't do it.

Sorry.

That's exactly what's going to happen here.

We're going to see the president very shortly.

Holding this proudly with his very bold signature at the end of the piece of paper there and he's going to say the Department of Education is no longer For what it's worth if you're the Secretary of Education who we've seen recently I guess she took the job with the anticipation it would not be long-lived But the reality is it will be somewhat long-lived because you're exactly right We could talk about the process where as soon as he does this they're going to be lawsuits probably filed in the District of Columbia

a court once again, challenging his authority to do something, and here's the point, that only the Congress can do.

Only the Congress is the entity.

They created the Department of Education.

They established it.

Again, Jimmy Carter and presidents before him advocated for this.

There's no doubt once again, if you get in the policy on this, that the great majority of dollars and policies are set at the local and state level.

We know that.

But somehow, once again, this attack on the federal government and the good things that it does to ensure access of all people to education, that's what this is all about.

The president getting back to the constitutional issue and the legislative issue does not have the authority to do this.

Look for a federal district court judge, maybe again, right down the street there.

in the next 24 to 48 hours to enter once again, a TRO, again, some more Civic Ceres we always do.

This is the temporary restraining order saying, no, Mr. President, can't do this.

Yeah.

And we have people on the live stream saying that no one will miss the Department of Education.

I disagree with that.

I think that's a foolhardy thought to have in your brain and also liberals again, standing in the way of progress.

Well, the question is, is you want to destroy the, the, you want to dismantle the Department of Education?

What's your next plan then?

How do the children stay educated?

Progress means you have a plan.

Progress means you have a future goal.

This is nothing.

This is saying dismantle and do nothing That is not a plan, but we're gonna talk more about this with Jim Santel and talk about some of the other executive orders and and just other I'm not gonna give them the we're gonna talk more about how the judges are getting are standing up for

the Constitution, more than our current president is with Jim Santel, host of Amicus the Law Review.

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Yeah, he, yeah, he, this coat is now in session.

His honor, judge, pig, meat, marked and besotted.

Yeah, he, yeah, he, the coat of swing.

It's just about ready to do that thing.

I don't want no tears.

I don't want no lies.

Above all, I don't want no alibis.

This judge is here.

Welcome back.

Welcome, welcome, welcome back to Madden air on air.

My name is Greg box sitting in for Jane Madden air who's off gal eventing the world for a few days.

We were turning to us on Tuesday, but I got you today.

I got you Friday and Monday along with sweet Cal B on the boards and wonderful, absolutely fantastic.

The effervescent Jim Santel host of amicus a law review every Saturday of nine AM here on the civic media radio network.

I had Cal play that song.

That is, here comes a judge by Pygmy Markham, one of the earliest maybe rap songs ever.

And the reason why I wanted to play that is because in the past, especially in the face of Doge, which is celebrating a year, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, a month of existence.

In the past, almost since it's been an inception in the past couple of weeks, the judges have been standing up and doing that, which we expected our congressman and our

and our president to do, which is protect the constitution, which they are not.

So these judges are, they're saying with the, they're saying with these executive orders and all these plans and the cuts from Doge and the destruction of jobs.

No, you can't do it.

You cannot do it.

This is not constitutional.

Stop it.

Thankfully, thankfully, and that, that is exactly, that is exactly what our constitution contemplates.

Mark that, let's talk about Pam Bondi in just a minute or so.

But

getting to that fundamental civics point once again, that's exactly what federal judges do.

And the unanimity with which they're doing it, these are, again, we always hate to describe them as Republican judges or Democratic judges, but unfortunately, again, that's the world we live in.

These are judges appointed by Democrats and Republicans alike, going back decades, are all saying, no, no, the Constitution is quite clear on this.

And the legislation is quite clear on this.

You cannot do this.

And so procedurally, this is what we're seeing.

Again, it's going to happen quite literally with respect to Judge Bosberg and these Venezuelan migrants who may or may not be, I assume they're no longer in the air.

There is somewhere out there in the world, however, as he's going to try to figure out in just a few hours here.

But what he does is he hears the evidence.

He presumably, he's asking the government now to tell him.

Exactly.

Exactly what's going on here.

Quite literally.

When did the planes take off?

Give me the time.

Who is on those planes?

Who is responsible for them?

Where did they land?

Where are these people now?

And that's what judges do every single day.

They don't always rap with the great rhythm and poetry as we just heard.

But that's exactly what they're supposed to do.

And thank goodness, they are the guardrails.

They are the guardrails right now.

There's one other that we've talked about before, Greg, and I'll mention it as well.

There's some hints as well that we've got federal judges pushing back on some of these criminal attempts to.

This stuff is not going to be in the public domain a whole lot.

But we saw this case involving the District of Columbia, US Attorney, who wanted, again,

to get some movement forward, wanted to open a criminal case.

His criminal chief resigned rather than to go ahead and pursue a case had no merit.

And you had a federal magistrate judge.

We don't know all the details.

And the District of Columbia is saying, no, no, I'm not going to find probable cause.

There is another instance where a federal jurist pushing back on this.

The other one that's still out there again, we don't know because they're completely silent.

are federal grand juries.

These are 23 people pulled together.

It's maybe not me, but it could be you put together to determine whether or not indictments should issue.

That's also out there.

And I just refuse to believe that even in this time, when an awful lot of people think that Donald Trump is is the is the king, he is not grand juries are not going to go along with

this.

And so here here to federal district court judges,

here, here to where they're pushing back, requiring evidence in their courtrooms.

And what they're doing procedurally, you're probably wondering what are your listeners who, they probably do figure this out.

A TRO gets issued, putting people in place right now and say, don't move anything until I can get more evidence, keep things.

a static, you can't keep planes in the air forever, but basically bring them back if you need to.

And then I'm going to have a larger hearing, we're going to set aside several hours and have testimony.

And then I may enter an injunction, a formal injunction saying, no, no, from going forward here, you cannot do this further.

And then finally, we circle back to what John Roberts did instruct us again, you shouldn't have to do this.

But he said, if you're unhappy with that, you don't call for the impeachment of the judges who do that.

What you do is you go to the appeals court.

That's what he also said.

And thankfully, he did say that again, a little bit too late, John.

But nonetheless, that's the instruction that all Americans should understand.

It's not getting rid of the judge.

It's not getting rid of what they've done.

It's doing this in a proper way.

It's the process.

It's the process the way we've been doing it for hundreds of years and Side-stepping it overstepping it always comes back There's gonna be someone there and as you said a judge who has been appointed by a Republican or a Democrat to say no You don't get to do that.

There is a process and you must partake in it just like everyone else and you know, that's and if you want to hear more about These types of topics more of the listen to listen to amicus a law review

every Saturday, nine, you can nine AM to 11 AM.

You can always download on the civic media app or I'm sorry, you can go to the website and download as a podcast, listen to it later if you miss it.

But Jim Santel, you know, I'm being called a contrarian in the live stream.

I'm standing up for gang bangers.

I'm a terrible person in the comments in the live stream, but you know what, Jim?

That means we're doing something right.

If they're getting that mad at us.

So Jim Santel, thank you so much for being here today.

We always love talking to you, and we look forward to seeing you next Thursday.

You have yourself a wonderful weekend, folks.

Stick around.

When we come back in the second hour, we've got sports with Paul Newton.

Brittany Merleau's going to have weather, and we're going to have ourselves some fun talking about Elon Musk and misinformation, all that.

And this shouldn't be a thing.

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Thanks, Jim.

Always a pleasure, Greg.

Take care.

Good morning.

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That's amazing.

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Calvin, would you say on a scale of one to 10 today, the live stream comments have been spicy?

Yeah, they definitely are fired up

by

the Department

of Education.

Hey man, who would have thought we'd be part of something where the Department of Education is getting people riled up into a good old fashioned debate on what should be done.

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Speaking of the Department of Education, I know I wanted to talk about Elon and we might get that in a moment, but I want to do this really quick.

You got some nice commentary on the live stream as well as the the text line.

One of the comments from Andrew and main saying the DOE includes FAFSA, which provides student loans to allow millions of individuals to attend community colleges, trade schools and universities.

I realize that some folks would like to limit higher education to only those with parents worth over $500 million.

That's definitely the way we're trying to see it now as far as the funding to separate.

Two separate school systems what we're doing here in Wisconsin at least and very nice to someone who's listening WAUK Greg don't let the trolls get to you.

They're like, well, I can't say the rest of that So that's it's a little sweary right there But you know the trolls are the new are the new religion of Trump which hey, ma'am People have their opinions people have their passions and I get that they might not align with mine.

They might they might not agree with me all the time or ever but

They got their pat they got the passion and and and I love to see I love to see what people have to say if it means throwing names my way That's fine.

I don't really care.

It's whatever.

It's not a big deal.

But you know, like I said with the Department of Education People have said oh, it's about local control Calvin once we take every breakdown from the Department of Education.

It'll be about local control But then what and then what and then what and the next step because ultimately

As people have been saying in the live stream comments as well, Department of Education isn't just school.

They only account for 11% of school funding for elementary and secondary school.

The rest comes from the state.

And that's a whole of the conversation we have been having for months now regarding that issue.

Of course, of course, of course, everything in the federal government can be looked at.

It can be retooled.

It can be made better.

We can find the fat.

We can trim it.

We do with a scalpel now with a chainsaw.

But this whole service, signing a piece of paper saying that department education is no more is not only irresponsible to do because it's just going to be seen as unconstitutional by a judge as Jim Santel said in the previous hour, but also it just sets the standard of you don't like it.

You're going to take your ball and go home.

This is the work of a baby throwing a tantrum.

They want their way and they're going to get it.

And there's a bunch of people who agree with it.

And that's fine.

But the point is we have processes in place.

As Jim said, we have to go through those processes, whether it's getting rid of employees, downsizing, getting rid of judges, pushing forth, pushing forth legislation or pushing forth executive orders.

There are processes in place that we have to follow or they're not going to happen at all.

So great.

You're going to get a big piece of paper with a big squiggly line with a Sharpie.

Fantastic.

But we know that a week.

Some judge probably in DC is going to be saying, yeah, you can't do that.

So, um, but hey, I appreciate the commentary.

I appreciate the interaction.

I appreciate the calls.

I appreciate everything about you guys always can contact with us, letting us know what you think.

But, um, I want to bring the conversation though, back Calvin to Wisconsin, because, you know, we talked about in the first hour, we talked about the upcoming election for the Supreme court race.

And one of the major sticking points for people is the fact that Elon Musk has thrown nearly, I believe 15 billion, I'm sorry, million, sorry, not billion, my mistake, million, I'm so used to billions into a race for Brad Schimel.

This is his guide.

Elon Musk loves Brad Schimel.

And Elon Musk is not just throwing money into the campaign.

He's also creating new groups to throw disinformation at us to make

Susan Crawford look like some sort of dark candidate who's up to no good.

And today the editorial board of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and all the all the articles by the way that I've referenced will be in the show notes for later today.

They'll be coming out around 12 30 this afternoon.

So if you want to check those out, the editorial board of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel released an opinion piece yesterday.

It says Elon Musk's despicable disinformation tampers.

with Wisconsin Supreme Court election.

And to me, and you mentioned this earlier as well, Calvin, this just smacks of Tim Michaels and Eric Hovde, these super rich guys who have all the money in the world, nearly unlimited funds, and they think they can do whatever they want.

And they're going to come try to mess with Wisconsin elections and our politics because they ultimately can do to Citizens United

But the fact is, is I don't think Wisconsinites like that.

I don't think we get down on that.

I think at the end of the day, we want candidates who work hard.

If Brad Shimmel was a hard work and judges one thing, but this is a guy who's nothing but a shill for Donald Trump, and he has made that clear that that's what he's going to do.

He's going to propose, he's going to take the proposed legislation and agenda of Donald Trump and make sure as applicable as possible in Wisconsin, he will make sure that comes into law here.

And I don't think people appreciate that.

And I don't think that that just means

liberals.

I think that means a lot of people, because I think we saw that two years ago when Justice Jenin, Protossé, which was running, and you saw people saw in Jenin, someone who was going to be fair-minded and work the system and be a part of a court that was going to be about fairness.

And I think that Wisconsinites recognize that.

And I think that this

that Elon Musk throwing his disgusting dirty money at us, and then starting these groups, these so-called progressive groups that are not progressive, they're funded by him, and they're just trying to mess with the election process.

I think that is not appreciated by a lot of Wisconsinites.

But Cindy is on the phone.

Cindy from Appleton, what's going on?

Cindy, how are you today?

Well, I'm fine, but I'm totally going to disagree with you because we've got all kinds of people talking about how they don't want big money in politics.

yet they vote for the big money and politics candidates.

And I'm not saying both parties don't do this, but we know who the big, big, big money donors are.

And I really think that they're all their lies and all their false advertising is actually going to work.

That's my fear.

I don't disagree, Cindy, that people vote for the big money candidates.

That happens all the time.

And you're right.

They are on both sides, but I'm saying, but my point is two years ago,

I feel that people had, I felt like people had more of a grasp and more, I'm sorry, more of an interest in making sure that the courts stay balanced.

So we are a balanced state that things are fair for the people.

I don't know though, if people really appreciate Elon's money being a part of the election, I know that there are people who are funding the other side as well.

I'm not naive and I'm not gonna sit here and say, it's all grassroots, it's all dollars and cents and pennies from grandma's from all over the state.

But Elon's money is different and it's being recognized as such.

I mean, they're not talking about the U lines and they're not talking about, they're not even talking about,

Diane Hendricks as much as they're talking about Elon Musk's money and what he's using it for so I think that I think that when it comes down to it It's what you want to fund a can campaign go ahead and do impact Kratlow was talking about this morning If you want to fund a campaign you can do that you have your right to do that the courts have made it clear that you can do that but to use your money for specific and pointed disinformation I think it's a

I think it's absolutely, I think that's reprehensible.

And someone said on the live streams, I take a chance, man, start a business.

I do own a business.

So that's, I do.

Thank you.

I started one.

It's great.

Calvin?

Yeah.

And I mean, liberals in general kind of, we get this line from conservatives that we're jealous of people who have more than us.

And I would counter that.

I live a very privileged life.

I don't, I'm not wanting for anything.

What I have is,

Not jealousy for people with more than me.

It's compassion and empathy for people with less than me.

Yeah.

Yeah, but, but don't forget Elon Musk thinks that, uh, he thinks compassion is a, is a, is a reprehensible thing here in the Western, right?

Cindy, Cindy, did you have something else you wanted to say?

I

just wanted to say that you said that two years ago we voted in Janet Prada's sandwich, but I think we're in two years different whole political.

system, then we were back then.

So that's why I

think

I, like I said, I'm really terrified of this election.

Then Cindy, then you got to go out in there and talk to people.

I understand the terror.

I understand the fear.

But if we talk to people and share what we know, we can at least do something.

And we can't, I mean, I just, I do not want to believe that we as Wisconsinites are going to give in to someone as ill fitting as Musk is for our state.

He's a human who's not concerned with right or wrong.

He's just concerned about himself, money and acquiring more power.

And also don't forget, he has a case, he'll have a case most likely in front of the Wisconsin Supreme court about his Tesla dealerships.

And from Chippewa Falls, we got a very little time.

What can you say in, what can you say in 25 seconds?

And, yeah.

Yes, um, I know Kelvin's a young person and what he said was the smartest thing I've heard so far Listeners heard what he said that was just spot on and I'm just so proud of his comment I just wanted to say that

Calvin repeat that before we go

My comment was that I'm not jealous of people who have more than me I have compassion and empathy for those who have less than me.

I loved it.

Love it

That's why Calvin is our rising young person.

Don't go anywhere.

When we come back, we're switching gears pretty hard.

We're going to weather and wine with Brittany Merleau because it's spring.

Is it?

Since when?

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I don't know if she's gallivanting throughout the globe.

She might just be at home.

I have no idea.

I just like to think that she's gallivanting.

Point is you're listening to me in the big chair.

Calvin and Butonoff is on the board right now and we want to welcome you back to the show.

Uh, Calvin, guess what?

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But now we're going to switch gears even further.

to the weather because it is Thursday, it is 11, 20-something, and we welcome to the show Ms.

Brittany Marlowe with Weather and Wine.

Good morning.

Good morning.

We need a contest of can you guys guess the actual temperature or what the weather is going to be when spring hits?

Yeah, it's great today because you get to say that people would be like, happy spring?

Yup.

Because today is the first

day.

It is.

It is.

It's the spring equinox where the earth is not tilted whatsoever.

We're not leaning towards the sun or away from the sun, giving us an equal length of day and night today.

Woo-hoo.

Okay, all right.

That sounds like hippie medicine, stuff, whatever.

I'm just kidding.

That's what it means.

I know, right?

That's why my spring starts on March 1st.

So I've been in spring.

Meteorologists, we go by the calendar.

So this is...

Why

don't we do that, Brittany?

Why don't we all just like get on board with the calendar?

I don't, you know, I don't know because we like to think the way the earth is tilting that matters a little bit more and the light and stuff like that.

So

well, in all this talk about spring, it doesn't feel very springy because when I woke up this morning, when I got out of the house this morning, my car was not only covered with snow, but with ice.

And I live in Kenosha, by

the way, I live in Kenosha.

I don't live in the Northwoods.

I don't live in Ashland or Bayfield or the boundary waters.

I live in Kenosha.

Yes.

Oh my gosh.

So some wild, wild weather yesterday.

There were severe storms, tornadoes into Illinois.

We had showers and storms, you know, in Southern Wisconsin.

Meanwhile, heavy wet snow was hitting up North and we got a layer of ice underneath as well.

So it was just a mess.

And then as that cold swung around and that system moved over Lake Michigan.

Yeah.

It hit you guys with some snow down there too.

And I called it death by driveway because ice is just everywhere, you know, and it's wherever you step.

And I hate ice.

Oh, I know.

It's, it's, it wasn't accumulating, it was accumulated on the lawn, but not so much on the pavement.

But yes, there was.

the snow, but the ice definitely was like, you take that first step, you're like, oh, I'm going to walk very slow, very short steps because I don't want to fall on my Tukas.

So, well, then, all right.

So today is the first day of spring.

You get, you all get a pass then.

All right.

It happens.

It's Wisconsin.

What is the forecast?

for the rest of the day and going into the weekend.

It's going to be nothing but 80 degrees and sunny and like, it beats living in San Diego.

Am I right?

Am I correct, Brittany?

Please tell me I'm right.

Um, is it April 1st on April Fool's Day?

No, no.

I know.

Okay.

Well, the sun will be out for a good chunk of the weekend.

I mean, we are looking at staying sunny and dry on Saturday.

Tomorrow too, I mean, we could have a little front move through that wants to spark up a few sprinkles in the afternoon, but that's the worst of it.

So overall, pretty good stretch up until Sunday.

Sunday, Sunday, Sunday is not looking too good either.

What's

going to happen

on Sunday?

Another one of these storms.

It's the second punch is the one to punch.

So Northwoods, you are looking at another big significant accumulating snow.

It's going to kind of behave like this one just did where a wintry mix is expected in central parts into the Fox Valley.

And then of course rain south and as it kicks out, it's everything to snow again.

So pretty much a repeat on Sunday into our Monday morning.

You know, I feel like you said one, two punch.

I feel like the way this winter into spring has been going has been one, two, three, four, five, six, seven punch.

So

it's going to keep doing that.

I'll give you guys a heads up.

Yes, March is going to keep punching us.

And then I think April, it's going to start to shift.

And we'll just get rain, rain, rain,

rain.

There you go.

Now, before we get going, we don't tend to get very political with you.

We talk about the weather.

We'll talk about what's going on right in front of us.

But you actually brought this up.

You wanted to talk about the cuts that are happening in NOAA.

And as people know, the National Weather Service, the National Oceanic Administration,

These are very important vital departments for America as far as weather, prediction.

Talk more about that, Brittany, could you?

Yeah.

So actually, Tammy Baldwin, she and other senators from other states like Michigan, Minnesota, I mean, New York, anything bordering the Great Lakes, they are trying to reach out and wonder how many people got cut?

Where are they getting cut from?

And how are they going to preserve these programs for the Great Lakes?

Because the Great Lakes are so important.

It's just not.

pretty beautiful water.

There's so many things happening.

I mean, shipping, navigation, people are forecasting those waves, that data, that research, all of these things are going into that.

And I worry about the captains out on those ships.

I wonder what's going to happen with the cargo on those ships if these forecasts are dropped.

And then also our coasts.

I mean, we don't have lifeguards on beaches on our Great Lakes.

So those are the people forecasting.

Those are the people who know where those rip currents are.

when it's going to hit, what wins specifically, how tall that builds these waves and what it does to us.

And that's huge.

I mean, I don't know that.

And I'm a meteorologist.

I don't study that hard into it.

And what they're cutting is the Great Lakes Research.

Those people are necessary for a lot of our life here in Wisconsin.

And that's something we were talking about earlier.

It's like, if you want to try to find the

the excess, the bulk.

You want to try to trim the fat.

You do it with a scalpel.

You don't do with a chainsaw.

And these types of processes have consequences.

And that could mean a lot of bad things happening.

And I don't want to, I don't think anyone wants to see that, but I, and I wanted you to talk about Brittany because you are a meteorologist.

You are in the thick of it.

And we always appreciate you being here to bring your expertise.

Even if that means more snow, but Brittany, thank you so much for spending some time with us today.

We really

appreciate you.

All right.

We'll talk to you next Thursday.

Coming up next, we of course have sports with.

Sports guru Paul noon and don't go anywhere.

You're listening to the baton there on air out of civic media radio network.

Good, good morning.

Welcome back to matinee on air.

My name is Greg box sitting in for Jane matinee who will be returning on Tuesday.

But for today, you've got me in the big chair as well as Calvin Butenhof at the boards.

And because it's Thursday, it's 1130.

We've got the Acme packing company writer and our sports guru Paul Newton here with all the sports loveliness and a very inspirational, very inspirational bumper music too.

Oh yeah.

Big time.

Yeah, I felt like I could do anything with that music.

My goodness.

How are you doing, Paul?

I am.

I'm doing well.

I'm happy that it is like

one of the best days of the sports year with the start of the NCAA Tournament.

And while I am, as I often say on the show, typically not a basketball guy.

I

am the numbers guy for Acme Packing Company.

And so I am into all things sort of Saber metrics related.

And this is a good time of year for us as well.

Because if you are making a bracket out there, it's too late.

So this is for next year.

The tournament is underway, I think, and it's already started.

But if you're making a bracket and you don't know what you're doing, the one thing you need to know, the only one thing is kenpom.com, the website started by Ken Pomeroy, the sort of Bill James slash Billy

B,

college basketball.

And Ken Palm is great because it gives you the best.

like sort of advanced metrics, cyber metric look at every college basketball team.

And once the selection show happens, it also lists what their seat is right next to their name on Ken Palm's ranking.

So you can see who's over seated, who's under seated, who's a likely upset victim, who is not.

And if you just go by Ken Palm, you will probably do halfway decent brackets.

So that is the thing everybody should know when they fill out their brackets every year.

All right.

So that was one thing I gleaned from it.

See, I got your one reference to get to another reference, Bill James.

I know who Bill James is.

And I didn't realize.

So today your brackets are closed.

Is there a big wall in your office that just has, it's dry erase, has red yarn and just tons of players.

And that's you going, don't touch this.

This is important.

I have that for the NFL draft, but not okay.

Yeah.

So we'll get to that in a few weeks here.

All right, well, tell me your immediate takeaways of day one of what's going on, what's happening.

So just keeping it local focused.

Wisconsin, I know when the show has announced Wisconsin is a three seed, they had to travel out to Denver and they had to do it on short notice, which

is really the fault of the Big Ten, which runs their tournament right up until the selection show on Sunday.

But Wisconsin honestly got a pretty good draw.

First of all, Wisconsin historically is a little overrated in Ken Palm because Bo Rine and Greg Gard actually run a very efficient program.

It tends to play above its head a little bit.

But this year, Wisconsin I think is

They're up to it.

They have, I think, at least two and possibly three NBA level players on their team, maybe more honestly.

They are 13th overall in Ken Palm.

Their efficiency is off the charts good.

And they got Montana, who doesn't have to travel as far, but Montana is 161st.

They are basically even Stevens on offensive and defensive ranking.

They don't have the chops, I think, to stop Wisconsin's offense, which is really the key for Wisconsin.

This is such a weird Wisconsin team.

Usually Wisconsin is a defensively great team with an offense that can kind of get it done that does enough to get it done.

This is not that.

They can light up the scoreboard.

Their defense has steadily improved over the course of the year.

As long as they're not exhausted and the elevation doesn't get to them, they should be okay in the first round.

You know, there are no sure things in college basketball, but they have one of the better matchups that a team could have gotten to be honest.

So they're in good shape.

Marquette,

Marquette got it a lot harder, which, you know, makes sense that there I think weren't quite as good as Wisconsin, at least in terms of resume this year.

But let's see Marquette, Marquette, Marquette, they're in the 20s and they're 28th in Ken Palm, so not bad still, they're okay.

But their opponent is New Mexico, right?

And they're 42nd.

So they're a lot closer.

And what's really concerning is New Mexico is one of the best defensive teams in the country.

Um, and specifically at guard teams like that have given Marquette a lot of trouble over the course of the year.

And so that is one where if they dropped out early, I wouldn't be that surprised that they can, they can win Marquette's good, but their matchup is much more of a 50 50 shot than I think Wisconsin's is.

And for anyone, anyone not familiar, cause I actually had to ask the question I believe last week, this is single elimination.

If you beat today, you go home.

Okay.

That is right.

And if.

And Wisconsin wins today, which the game is actually happening right now.

It's happening right now.

And which

just kicked off a few minutes

ago, which you can actually listen to on civic media radio stations across the state.

So check it out.

You can also, if they, if they win, they're going to be taking on BYU.

Well, or

VCU, the winner of BYU VC.

BYU is like a hot like pick.

to go far I think because their offense is really highly ranked they had one of the more efficient offensive they were 11th in offensive efficiency this year but they were awful on defense if I'm so again good teams

a good team that could upset anybody, but they can run it out of the gym too.

But Wisconsin is really well equipped to get into shootouts with people, and if you have no defensive chops to stop Wisconsin, there's a good chance you get run out of the gym.

VCU is only a few spots behind them in terms of efficiency, but a very different team, one of the best defensive teams in the entire tournament.

I think that game could go either way, and I frankly would rather have BYU, even though they are kind of a hot upset pit, well not upset, they're the favorites, but.

a hot pick to go far.

I think Wisconsin matches up with them a lot better than VCU.

I would much rather have them.

Is it too early to ask you the highlights of your bracket?

I'm a very boring bracket picker.

You could totally ask me this, but so again, numbers guy and the smart thing to do in almost every NCAA tournament bracket, if you want to win, like if you want to be the cool guy with lots of upsets,

That's fine.

Go for it.

You'll probably lose to me.

But the smartest thing to do on any given bracket is to pick Duke to win it all.

And I thought that might end after Mike Shyshevsky left.

Duke assuming Cooper flag comes back who's been injured the last few games They can get through the first round without him.

So it doesn't matter as long as he comes back They were first in Ken Palm.

They are the best team They're kind of the best team by a lot like Florida is closest in a lot of metrics but

It's boring, but it's really economically smart to pick Duke because some people hate Duke and hate picking Duke in their bracket that it actually pays off more than it should in a lot of ways.

So I hate to be boring, but they're a good one to go after.

Texas Tech is a three-seat.

They're a little under seated.

They're a good one if you want to pick.

But if memory serves, have a pretty good Missouri team in their way who's also a little under seated.

So those are

Both good underdog picks, but I think they're going to cancel out at some point.

Kansas is overrated.

Don't pick them.

Well, again, you've already done all this.

So

I'm just telling you.

Yeah, I'm he's telling you if you pick Kansas, you're a fool.

But like this is kind of a fun one just because Wisconsin is I think a pretty good pick.

Yeah.

One thing that can also burn some highly ranked teams is if they're just.

If you are really, really good on offense, but fatally flawed on defense or vice versa, you can be upset.

Virginia, Tony Bennett's Virginia team, that's won the tournament pretty recently, but also is one of the 16 teams to get upset, was just not a good enough offensive team when that happened.

So sometimes you'll look at it, you'll kind of look for that on teams to see who is a possible upset pick.

And Wisconsin's not that, they're very balanced.

This is a good tournament for them.

I think

they have a halfway decent shot to do some damage.

And I like riding the team that I root for.

So, um, they're one of, I barely take ever taken to win some, I'm biased for them.

They're not a bad upset pick to actually go really far this year.

They're well positioned.

All right.

So we now have a lowdown on Paul Newton's bracket for the NCAA tournament.

If you are just tuning in, you are listening to.

Mr. Paul noon and who is a writer for the acme packing company and our sports guru guru here at matten air on air Let's turn let's turn the subject to the packers.

What's going on with the packers before drafts coming up.

What have they been doing?

So they haven't been super active in free agency.

They made a couple of signings earlier that But they did they did do one interesting thing this week, which was to sign receiver michael hardman and it's not a big flashy signing to be sure but