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Coming up a little bit later on this hour, Corey Adkins from the Great Lakes Shipwreck Historical Society is going to join us and we're going to talk about the Western Venture.
It's a ship that has been gone for 132 years and that was just recently discovered in Lake Superior.
This is a big, big deal for historians and so it should be really interesting.
Corey Adkins is going to be joining us at 1133 from the Great Lakes
Shipwreck Historical Society.
We will wrap it up as we always do.
With this shouldn't be a thing.
Today it is the Down the Crapper Edition update.
We're always excited when we get to update a tis bed as it were.
What?
de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-
wall of savings.
I'm sorry.
That's not what it's called.
It's called the wall of receipts.
It's also called wall of crappers of wall of efficiency.
Yeah.
But Jean from Eau Claire is on the line.
Good morning, Jean.
I know we didn't get a chance to get to you a little bit earlier.
Thank you for joining us.
What did you want to say, Jeannie?
Well, thank you.
There's more important things I can call back any time.
I'm really glad that you had quite a lot on there.
That's very, very important.
all the information that you give to us, even people, you know, that are concerned about having their license.
Well, please call the governor's office and ask him kindly.
Please don't do this to people and say, uh, call out who is, um, you know, preventing this money to get for our roads and bridges and that's bought
every foot.
Anyway, um, I just wanted to say one thing, um, early voting is now.
Okay, and on my eight large Americans for Prosperity, and we all know who they are, 11 by six hard cards once a week, promoting Shimmel and running down Crawford in the mail, and he even puts in there, you know, you get to start voting early on the voting early day.
Now, this is all I got, nothing.
about Susan Crawford.
Now, please, if you're sitting in your chair and thinking, oh, you know, there's a lot of people that know Shimmel.
You know, he was in the area and supporters of Gotti Walker when he was handcuffing older women behind their backs for singing at the Capitol.
This is a guy that supports putting children in pens and dog pens.
separating them from their parents at the border.
This is a man who is scary as all get out.
So if you care and you have any empathy in your heart for women, for children, for disabled, for our state and that you want to have good care, you want to have empathy, you want to care about humanity, get your butt out of the chair and get in there and vote for Crawford because
Okay, guys, you know, I need to be a fatalist, but I've seen Schimel before and a lot of people, you know, they're working really hard.
Trust me on this, guys.
You've got to get out and vote for Crawford, please.
And also, vote for Underly, please.
She cares about our kids.
Your schools could get in a pretty bad hands here.
And remember, these are, Republicans want to let kids go to work.
Give me a break.
You know, our federal labor law.
Wake up folks against women against children.
Come on, please get out and vote.
Please, I beg you.
Thank you.
Did you?
Yeah, he, maybe not a fan, not a fan of anyone knocking on the door.
Yeah.
And he was trying to ask me and I just, I just kept saying, no, no, not your guy.
And he had a hat on and says, I love Jesus.
And I'm like, I've got to go.
See, I wish
But unfortunately, the dog was just just making it possible.
Going crazy.
But I was like, oh, I want to sit down on my stoop and be like, let's chat.
Let's chat.
Let's chat.
Tell me, tell me.
But unfortunately, my dog's like, no, I want you to pet me.
That's Mike.
It's your job.
Exactly.
I see you on the line.
Angie, we're not going to get to you right now.
We're going to do this after the after the break around 11 20.
If you want to call back, we are going to talk about chickens.
I want to talk about chickens and people who raise chickens.
So Angie, we will get to you after the after the 20 break.
I don't want you to have to wait that long.
Right now, I did want to talk about the wall of efficiency.
Ow.
No, it's fine.
It's actually the wall of receipts.
Yeah.
Elon Musk's Doge and the Wall of Receipts is one month old this week.
David Ferenhold with this thread on the wall of receipts.
Unfortunately, the largest item on that list has always been wrong.
I know it's shocking.
When the wall of receipts was first posted, Elon Musk said its largest savings was an eight billion dollar cut at ice.
Oopsie doodles.
That was a typo.
In government records, Doge reduced the savings to $8 million, not $8 billion, and then eventually zeroed it out.
Little problem.
They triple counted the same cancellation and also overestimated what that was worth.
So those savings were eventually xed out to zero.
David Ferenhold with a great thread on Blue Sky.
Next, Doge, Department of Government Efficiency, said its biggest savings from canceling a $1.9 billion contract at the IRS.
Little problem.
That contract had already been canceled when Joe Biden was the president.
So Doge later just deleted that.
Never happened.
Not there anymore.
It's all gone.
It gets, I'm not done.
After that, Doge said its largest savings came from canceling a USAID contract worth almost $600 million.
One little issue.
They missed a key distinction while the government spending limit was about $600 million.
It had not promised to spend anywhere near that much.
So the savings from this also xed out to zero.
Lots of savings disappearing from this wall of efficiency.
Sure,
Jan We believe you We believe you but the other and the other thing about the so it's a but it's been a you said a month It's been a month and for the past week week and a half now We've been seeing stories come out of all the major news outlets saying judges are just blocking all of these They're telling Elon the things he's doing these mass layoffs.
He's firings the USA ID.
These are all either being
Stopped blocked or being ruled unconstitutional on their face.
those nuclear experts that they fired and re hired within 48 hours this look what a great way to run a country What a country what a country?
We've said it before and we're going to say it again.
And I think we all agree, regardless of where you sit on the political fence, we want to find inefficiencies.
We want to find bloated, bloated spending.
We want to find the things that being cut, but you do it with a scalpel and not with a chainsaw.
And this sort of, this sort of act out.
It's like, it's like almost like a temper tantrum.
He's got his way inside the White House.
He doesn't do whatever he wants.
It just doesn't look good.
And it's going to cost us more to re
invest in these programs.
And maybe it shows that the government isn't as efficient as we like to think it is, because we don't see the day to day.
We hear $650 million, but we don't know the nuance.
So now we're finding out the nuance and we might say, oh, maybe the federal government isn't as bloated as we've been led to believe.
There can be cuts, there can be efficiencies, but this is really kind of showing us like, yeah, we're doing our job.
Sure, Jan On March 5th, according to David Ferenhold on Blue Sky Doors brought back a claim it had previously deleted
Once again, it said its biggest savings came from cancelling an IRS contract worth 1.9 billion that however had been cancelled under then President Biden Yeah, this is the guy running the efficiency Under the Trump administration and they can't even get their signature wall of efficiency Right.
All right, we're going to switch gears when we come back.
Angie, let's duck chickens.
Let's duck raising chickens.
8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.
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We like to lighten it up what we call Audio Sorbet.
Topics, not political, a little bit lighter.
I mean, we're going to talk to Corey Atkins.
I'm really looking forward to this.
He's with the Great Lakes Shipwreck Historical Society, and we're going to talk about the recent discovery of a ship that has been at the bottom of Lake Superior for 132 years.
So this is a big discovery.
Historians, very excited.
We will be talking to Corey after the 1130 news.
This is something we've been to do for a while.
Donald Trump's secretary of agriculture suggested recently that Americans should just start raising their own chickens.
No, simple.
Because the price of eggs has been so high.
And that started me wondering about whether or not that's something that's actually doable and what it is like.
If you would do this, we did have someone randomly a couple of weeks ago said raising chickens is really expensive.
And it's not as easy as you think.
So we're going to talk to someone who knows from chickens.
Angie from Monroe is on the line.
Good morning, Angie.
Thanks so much for joining us.
How are you doing?
Angie?
Hi.
Hello.
Hi.
How are you doing, Angie?
Hello.
Yes.
Yeah.
And it's definitely a lot more expensive because you got to decide on how first where they're going to live, especially if you live it up north.
And
because
time, you got to keep your water from freezing.
And if you have electricity out to your coop,
Um, yeah, they always have a fire hazard.
You constantly have to worry about predators.
I've never seen, I've never had to worry about, you know, possums and coons before.
And you definitely have that.
And then you got weasels.
That's a whole nother thing.
And then if you want to, um, you know, free range, or if you're going to keep them in a coop, which a lot of communities, you only allowed so many chickens.
So, and then a lot of places you can have roosters.
Well, what are you going to do with the roosters when all of a sudden they're supposed to be a female?
Well, they're not a female.
You have that problem.
You can only have so many boys with so many girls.
You can.
I mean, it's, it's really a lot to do with.
And then, then then you've got to keep them warm.
And then there's the food costs.
Um, the food costs, I mean, it's fair.
It's fairly cheap, especially if you, um, do think like I do, like, um, I'm friends with a couple of restaurants and then I get some of their food from them.
Um, that way, but not everyone has that opportunity, you know, and so yeah, it's more than.
A cost of a simple egg, you know, um, and then it's, oh, don't forget it takes, um, what, like six months, five, six months before they're even going to lay an egg.
So you got, you got to raise them.
And then if you're going to sell whole chicken, they're about 20 bucks or up a bird for a hen.
And you got to have a few chickens.
You can't just have one.
So yeah, there's that.
Well,
there's a lot.
Yeah, that's why we wanted to talk to you, Angie, because again, I think you hear, yes, it's bike backyard chickens.
We should all get backyard chickens.
And the assumption is, how hard can it be?
And from what you just said, Angie, it's a whole lot more work and requires a whole lot more preparation than you might actually expect.
When you mentioned weasels, it's like, oh, for sure, there's all kinds of predators who would love to get their hands on those eggs.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, not just the eggs.
They, they, they, they're not very nice to your chickens either.
They, they will, they will end their life very, very, very nastily.
And then there's rats.
You got to, you got to make sure you keep the rats away because I'll tell you right now, chicken feeding rats, you know, they, they attract rats.
So you got that to worry about you got Hawks you got Hawks in the sky.
Are you gonna keep your?
chickens, you know and offense then if you're gonna free range I Mean there's so much you have to look into and then and then there's cleaning the coop if you have health problems I mean it'll affect your asthma.
so I mean there's that too and I mean and
So there's a lot really a lot to it.
It's not just hey Which a lot of people are buying chickens right now and a lot of us chicken owners are waiting for those people to sell their chicken.
Yeah, and that's what we that's what we do and that's exactly what happens And yeah, there's a lot of websites you can go on and learn I jumped into it.
I should have learned a lot more than I did But I'm glad I'm a fast learner
Yeah, my grandson wanted them and that really got me into it.
And I love it.
I'm up to 50 chickens.
And then there's the chicken math.
You start with four.
I walked out with 14, you know, I mean, there's that you got to have a big enough poop.
You have to have different sections.
If you have, um, if are you going to have peer breads, there's that.
Well, yeah, it just, it's so it's, it's, I think it's presented as
Anybody can do this and it's not a problem and as you're pointing out Angie this it's a whole lot more There's a whole bunch more involved than just getting three chickens and then having an endless supply of free eggs
Definitely yes, and and you're only gonna get they don't lay an egg every every day and then in the win and like in the fall They they do this molting thing where they lose their feathers.
So they actually go through a break where they're not gonna lay eggs
And if it's too hot, they're not going to lay eggs.
If it's too cold, they're not going to lay eggs.
And then in the winter, are you going to be there right when they lay that egg?
Are you going to be able to get it before it
your eggs freeze too.
I mean, because you don't want a heated coop, majority of those, a lot of people like to heat their coops, which you really don't need to.
As long as they have shelter and windbreaks, you really don't need to.
But some people do that.
And then you got
and you gotta
about that.
And then we've got the babies.
You gotta have
lamps and
We gotta go to the news.
If you have chickens, you don't need Angie from Monroe.
You may want to talk to her.
Angie, thank you so very much.
This has been really enlightening.
I really appreciate it and good for you for taking it on and for all you've learned.
Thank you so very, very much.
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Joining us right now, very excited to talk to him.
He is with the Great Lakes Shipwreck Historical Society.
Cory Atkins is here.
Good morning, Cory.
Thanks for joining us.
How are you doing?
Doing great, Jane, Greg, and the Kelvinator.
I like the Kelvinator.
Yeah, the Lake Superior is not one to be messed with or any of the Great Lakes.
The ghost ship headline was not ours.
break in half and sink and it took 27 souls down with it.
But the story is pretty interesting what had led up to that particular accident back then in 1892.
The Western Reserve.
And
Yeah, that that was one of the first steel freighters ever on the Great Lakes and it was built to be the fastest the strongest And and hold it was supposed to be built to break records of you know how fast you could haul a Cargo somewhere and it actually did break a record for holding the fastest coal back then and But
It was a very young ship when it sank.
It was only two years old.
So who knows why or how it sank.
It was not full of cargo when it sank.
And it was just a tragic accident.
Yeah, I believe the biggest, as deep as it goes, is probably right around 1400 feet.
We found this at over 600 feet deep.
So it was in the middle, pretty much right smack dab in the middle of Lake Superior and our director of marine operations, Darrell or Tal and his brother, we have an underwater research team that goes out every summer.
And when weather allows it, we have a side scan sonar that they fly the bottom of the lake.
It goes out about a quarter mile back out of the rear of our ship.
And we can fly this underwater sonar towfish at about 50, 60 feet above whatever the depth of the lake is.
So we do have some pretty advanced technology.
as we're finding these wrecks.
Yeah, this wreck is undiveable.
I mean, unless you have a suicide wish, it's undiveable.
We do have an ROV, a remote operated vehicle, and that's how we identified it.
What is the next, I mean, you identified it, you know it's there, is it, forgive me for not knowing, is it you just leave it there, or is it someone's wish to like maybe bring it up for a display, or at least pieces for studying or whatnot, or is it just, we found it, we know where it is, we can then build maybe a display on that knowledge alone.
Yes, so there is a bottom lands act that all five states and the Canadians had signed back in the 80s that you're not allowed to remove anything from the bottom
I'm trying to remove this from the bottom.
I think we would need alien technology
Yeah
Yeah, it's broken up and it'd be impossible to raise.
Not that we would even talk about that.
Well, you know, the story is Captain Minch, he outright owned the vessel in 1892 and he was one of the first millionaires in the country or one of the, you know,
first millioners that own vessels in the country.
Think back to 1892 and the dress that women wore and that men wore, and it was a very hot, sticky summer.
It was August, it was August 30th.
And the, you know, all, you know, the women were all dressed to tease and those big huge dresses.
bustles.
Yes, yes.
how uncomfortable that was.
He just simply Captain Minch just simply wanted to take his family on a on a vacation on a summer cruise.
And he just happened to own a freighter.
And so he
You know, he was like, all right, everybody, we're loading up on our brand new chip, supposed to be the strongest, fastest.
And we're gonna take a Great Lakes cruise.
So they left Cleveland, they headed north past Detroit, through Lake Huron, through the St.
Mary's Channel, through the locks, up to Whitefish Point.
And then at Whitefish Point, the weather started to stir up.
There was a second captain on board because Captain Minch wanted to just
you know, be with his family at that point.
So the gentleman's name was Captain Myers.
So there was two seasoned captains on board of this vessel.
The weather started to get a little testy up there at Whitefish Point on that August 29th.
And they decided to heave anchor.
They spent the day.
Well, they thought the storm was passing and they both
decided, hey, it's good to go.
So on that August 30th, they had to pass Whitefish Point right into the middle of Lake Superior into the teeth of that storm, and it snapped their vessel in two.
Yeah, I mean, and it was empty.
There was no cargo in it.
So, you know, who knows why it snapped?
It's just something that's, you know,
takes your breath away.
But the story is sad in a lot of ways that the crew was mostly in the stern.
That's where the lifeboats were.
The family was in the bow and part of the crew as well.
So when it started to crack, the abandon ship
You know, you know, we got to go, we got to get off this thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's going down and all the family and part of the crew had to jump that crack as it was ripping into to get to the stern, to get to the lifeboats.
And so they got to the lifeboats, lowered them both down.
All 28 people at that point were on the lifeboats.
Right as they saw the ship go down,
Within 10 minutes, one of the lifeboats capsized and threw a bunch of the crew straight into the water.
So there's only two people that got rescued out of that lifeboat.
And then it's just this overloaded lifeboat with 19 people in it.
And it just starts to drift and starts to drift towards...
Dear Park, Michigan, which is kind of by Grand Marais, Michigan, and they got within one mile of shore.
The other life boat capsizes.
Everybody's in the water.
And there's one person on board.
His name is Harry Stewart.
He was a good swimmer.
He was young.
And he actually made the shore and everybody else perished.
Yeah, 1892.
Yeah, this is um, I'm not good at math, but a couple, you know, decades before the titan
Yeah.
for the math.
No, that was, and that was actually a question I was going to ask you is like, what you're saying about this ship is what was said about Titanic.
It's unsinkable.
It's so strong in your line of work, what you do, how many of those stories exist?
How many of those, this one was unsinkable.
This one was too strong, but they all end up going down for whatever reason.
Yeah, I mean the Fitzgerald was supposed to be the fastest and strongest and biggest at that point too, but I mean there are a lot of these stories out there and We don't really subscribe to a lot of theories.
just know what happened and That's kind of what we try to do is is bring a little bit of content
context to the story, to some of these family members that have been talking about this in St.
T 92.
And we've had a fair amount of family members have you reserved.
Yeah, reach out to us and we are going to start shooting a documentary about it.
So
interesting.
Yeah, it's humbling for us at the shipwreck society.
When we get those family members
that have been wondering, where is the ship?
What has happened?
What happened to my great, great, great grandfather?
And those stories have passed on for generations.
We found a gentleman, actually, one of Harry Stewart's great-grandsons.
The Harry Stewart was the sole survivor that reached out to us.
He's like above 90.
Well, I'll be going down very soon to do an interview with him.
Yeah, but where our lighthouse is at Whitefish Point is, you know, and we do house the bella that fits Gerald there.
from Whitefish Point to basically Grand Moraine, Michigan is what was called or what is called the the the the um the shipwreck coast or the graveyard of the Great Lakes because we have 200 wrecks right outside our back door and there's story after story after story and one of the things that we try to do too is is not forget about these people that have passed um you know every it's not you know the Fitzgerald
is a very important shipwreck and those 29 men do deserve to be remembered, but the 28 or the 27 on the western reserve deserve to be remembered too.
So everybody's story is important to us.
so we can
Thank you.
It's been fun.
The church bell chimed in the rank 29 times for each man on the Edmund Fitzgerald.
The legend lives on from the Chippewa Wall down of the big lake they call Getchagumi.
Superior, they said, never gives up or did when the gales of November come early.
Welcome back to Matt and Air on Air, Jane Matt and Air, Greg Bach, Sweet Calbee on the board coming to you from our studio here at Radio Park in Racine.
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from the Great Lakes Shipwreck Historical Society.
Dave from New Berlin wanted to know, can you tell me the name of the boat, please?
I would like to read more about it when I get home from work.
It is the Western Reserve.
The Western Reserve is the ship that went down more than 132 years ago, 1892.
And Corey Atkins was just here talking about the discovery of that ship, about 14, what, 900 feet?
900 feet in the Lake Superior.
It's a long way down.
It's a long way down.
It's dark down there.
But thank you to Corey for that.
And it will be great.
I will be very interested to see their documentary when it comes out about this show.
Absolutely.
And important reminder to respect water.
Yeah.
Nature always wins.
Nature tends to win.
It is 11.53.
Already it is Greg Bach.
You know what that means.
What time is it?
It's time for this shouldn't be a thing As always if you have a thing you think should not be send it into Greg and me a Jane says at civicmedia.us This is a tizbet update.
Yes as it were headline reads from the Associated Press Ryan Melly with the byline jury convicts thief
who stole Golan Toilet from English Palace.
We had talked about this.
Why it was initially stolen.
The thief who swiped a Golan Toilet from an English Palace convicted Tuesday along with an accomplice who helped cash in
on the spoils of the 18 carat work of art that was insured for more than six million dollars.
Yeah.
Michael Jones used the fully functioning one of a kind golden toilet at Blenheim Palace, the country mansion where British wartime leader Winston Churchill was born.
He used it the day before the theft and then he went back.
with at least two other men armed with sledgehammers and crowbars.
They smashed the window, pried the golden toilet from its plumbing within five minutes.
Just jacked it out of there within five minutes and loaded up and drove away.
Officials say this was an audacious raid which had been carefully planned and executed.
Those responsible though, not careful enough, leaving a trail of evidence in the form of forensics.
CCTV footage and their phone data.
Oops.
The satirical work was called America by an Italian artist poking fun at America's obsession with excessive wealth.
It weighed just over 200 pounds.
The value of gold at the time was about 3.6 million.
It had been on display at the Guggenheim Museum in New York.
Thief, Mr. Jones, 39, convicted of burglary.
The theft was planned by James Sheen, 40, who had also pled guilty to burglary conspiracy and transferring criminal property.
Apparently they had some text messages going back and forth was good to text about your crime Except they were kept referring you to it as a car Like that was gonna be enough to put people off the scent the
Oh my god So some justice has been dispensed at least in the case of the golden perloined potty Now those responsible
have been caught.
They're up a creek.
They are literally up a creek.
That wraps up today's episode of... This shouldn't be a thing.
As Tyler says on the text line, a real crapper of a caper.
Boy, they crap the bed on this one.
Nice one.
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