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It's St.
Patrick's Day.
We want to talk about your favorite Irish movies.
And then we will wrap up the show as we always do with a segment called This Shouldn't Be a Thing.
Today it is the Let Me Transfer You Edition.
Right now, though, we thought this segment was cursed because our last couple of guests have had
Timing snafus at the last minute, but today he's here and we're ready to go Calvin play this sounder, please
Hey, good morning.
Thanks for having me.
So we are primarily a hybrid seed farm.
So we raise a hybrid seed corn just north of Madison.
We've been doing that since 1946 when my grandfather bought the property.
And about 15 years ago, we started making bourbon and other whiskies using grains that have historically been from UW-Madison's ag research department and raised on our farm by my grandfather and father.
I'm pretty sure that's what my dad did.
Had a
bit of a midlife crisis, and my mom would have let him buy a sports car.
So he started to make a whiskey company out of it.
I mean, where's the money in sports cars?
Exactly.
Well, there's a joke in the industry that a good way to take a large fortune and turn it into a small one is to open a distillery.
Seriously.
So luckily, things have been working out for us really well.
And then, Jane, when you reached out, this is kind of another layer to the connection, I think.
But my mom actually grew up in Racine.
She went to St.
Katz.
And then for much of her career, she worked in the dairy industry.
So she worked for ABS.
She was actually Alice in Dairyland.
Sometime back in the 80s, I believe.
So yeah, our family is very, very connected to the ag industry and specifically the dairy industry in Wisconsin.
So when you reached out, I was like, this is a no brainer.
This sounds awesome.
a picture of her in the tasting room with her wearing
So all bourbon is whiskey, not all whiskey is bourbon.
It's an easy way to think about it.
So bourbon is defined by the federal law as needing to be 51 or more percent corn in the specific mash bill or variety of grains that you use.
It needs to be aged in a new charred oak container.
So that's why we use barrels.
Once we're done with them, we usually sell them to local breweries.
And they do barrel aged beers and stuff like that in there.
And then it needs to be made in the United States
America.
So any state does not have to be from Kentucky.
Those are kind of the three laws federally that separate bourbon from other whiskies.
And that's why it's been known as America's spirit is because you can only make it in the United States.
Yeah, exactly.
Justice get up here.
So we we use a very special type of red heirloom corn that was developed in 1939 by UW Madison Zach research department.
we actually pulled that specific corn out of hibernation in the basement of the ag library because it went commercially extinct in the late 70s early 80s when GMO crops started to become really popular.
Oh
So we are the only people in the world growing that specific red heirloom corn and we only raise it to make J. Henry bourbon.
We also grow all of our own heirloom winter wheat and heirloom spooner rye, both from the UW grain program.
So we grow all the grains used to produce J. Henry Bourbon right here on the farm, which is only about 20, 30 minutes north of Madison.
So if you ever wanna come on and do a tour like your coworker, we're open Thursday through Sunday every week.
So, road trip.
So once we get those grains harvested, we store them in the wintertime.
And then we want to mill them into kind of like a fine powder, similar to like flour.
It's a little bit more coarse than that, but we need that surface area because what we're gonna do next is start the process of fermentation.
So we're gonna take that powder, we're gonna take that flour, those milled grains, add water, yeast.
and heat to kind of warm it up and give a pleasant environment for the yeast to essentially eat the sugars in the other grains and fart out alcohol.
So, exactly.
I
Yep, exactly.
So we're essentially drinking yeast pee.
whenever you drink beer.
That's
what
Yeah, that's exactly what it is.
So after that process with the fermentation, we're essentially left with a beer.
So it's called distiller's beer.
It's not something you would normally like grab a nice cold can of and start drinking.
It's usually about 12 to 18% alcohol by volume.
And then what we're gonna do is put it through a still.
And it's obviously a lot more complicated than this, but the process of distillation is really putting it through a still to increase the potency of something left by decreasing the volume of what you're trying to distill out.
So in the case of making bourbon,
We are distilling out water to increase the potency of that alcohol left in your solution.
So we run it through a still.
It gets up to about 60 to 70% alcohol after a couple different passes.
And then we put it into those new charred oak casks.
And that's really where the magic starts, in my opinion.
60 to 70% of the final flavor of any aged spirit is going to come from the interaction of that spirit in
wood.
Once it comes off of the still, it's colorless.
It has some flavor, but not the traditional sense of flavor that you would associate with whiskies.
Really, all that magic happens from the interaction that it has over the course of, for us, about four to six years.
just by sitting in that new charred oak barrel.
that joke.
There's many suppliers here in the United States.
There's also several abroad that we buy from, but our primary supplier is called the Independent Stave Company, and they do a fantastic job for us.
They're based out of, they have cooperages in Missouri and Kentucky.
But like the one thing I wanted to ask you really quick and I want to go back to the corn and
You, of course, I'm sure blessed with a wonderful palette of your father and your grandfather.
If you're going to, if I'm going to put down your, your bourbon versus another bourbon that doesn't use that corn, what does that special corn that you have resurrected do for the flavor or for just the, the entire presentation of the bourbon?
Yeah.
So there's a couple of things.
Um, one being that the kind of nutritional value is a little bit different.
than kind of your mass produced commodity grain.
So like number two yellow dent, which is what the majority of the industry is raising to produce ethanol, to produce food is extremely high in starch.
And what that is the benefit for, for brewers and distillers is if you have a higher starch content, you essentially have a more efficient chemical reaction when your yeast is eating those starches and sugars and creating alcohol.
So you can create pure alcohol, higher volume of alcohol with much less energy.
But that's all you're really doing is creating higher percentages of alcohol.
Our corn, on the other hand, is a little less efficient in that aspect, but it's a lot higher in protein, in fat content, in oil content.
So while we don't get as efficient of a chemical reaction and as much total volume, we're sacrificing that for flavor, texture,
and really just a higher quality product.
I heard protein.
Protein.
Exactly.
That's all I heard.
Protein.
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We're going beyond the cheese.
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Excited to have our guest with us.
He's the owner of Jay Henry and Sons, which is right outside of Madison.
They make bourbon, baby.
Joe Henry is here.
And Joe, we do have a couple of questions that came in on the text line.
Someone listening in Madison
wants to know if you can reuse the barrels or do you have to use a new barrel for every batch of bourbon?
So that is a very good question.
Part of the law behind that was actually based off of around like post prohibition laws.
So after prohibition or during prohibition, I guess, most of the cooperages were
making barrels for the brewing and distillation industry.
So you cut those out for about 10 years, nobody's making alcohol in the United States during that time.
So that industry really starts to crumble and sort of fail.
A lot of Coopbridge is closed.
So then when prohibition ended, the federal government in a way to kind of help reinvigorate that industry required bourbon producers specifically to use those barrels only once.
So every time we make a barrel of bourbon, we have to, once it's aged fully and we dump that whiskey out of the barrel to get bottled,
we can no longer use that barrel again and then call the product that comes out of it bourbon.
It would just be like American whiskey.
So it's cool and not so cool because it's very wasteful, but it does provide a very unique flavor for bourbon compared to other global whiskies of the world, I would say.
The main use for our barrels
is we will sell them to local breweries throughout Wisconsin, and they'll do barrel-aged beers.
So some of the bigger ones are like the Eagle Park guys in Milwaukee, Central Waters up north in Antioch, I believe.
And a couple here around Madison, we've done some stuff with Goose Island down in Chicago.
We also do some fun little projects.
So this past weekend, maple trees up in Northern Wisconsin are starting to get really active.
So we will actually give some of our barrels to maple syrup producers up in the Northwoods.
They'll put maple syrup in our used whiskey barrels.
It'll pull out some of the flavor of that bourbon into your maple syrup.
Yeah, it's fantastic.
That
Yeah, we sell some of it at the tasting room and then also another way that we continue to extend the life cycle of that barrel is once the maple syrup producer is done with that cask and emptied it out, we'll actually put bourbon back into those maple syrup casks and have like a maple syrup finished bourbon.
So yeah, it's dangerous stuff.
It sounds like it.
We just had that release about a week or so ago, and we only have a few cases left if people are trying to make the trip to swing up here and try some of that stuff.
That we only sell here on the farm.
I was just going to say that I did.
I was talking about the tour that I did.
And one of the, one of the cool things was I touched the mash.
You can, you can, you can, it's like a pillowy, fibrous foam.
And she's like, and our tour guide said, you can touch it, touch it, eat it, do whatever you want.
And I, and it didn't taste good.
It felt weird, but it was an amazing experience because you're just part of.
the distilling process and you're seeing it happen right in front of you.
I guess what amazes me though Joe when you talk when you talk about this entire process of how to make bourbon it's like back in the day the inventors had to be just the amount of patience it's like let's what do you want to do with this I don't know let's boil it and then after we boil it let's do this let's see what happens when
we do
don't know.
I dare you to eat
Yeah, that's totally, I mean, you look back on history and the history of fermentation.
And I think it was like,
Mesopotamia or Egypt or something.
One of these ancient civilizations, they just accidentally left like uncovered grain in a clay pot and it got water on it.
And then in the heat started warming up and then wild yeast just started eating it.
And then when they went to drink it, they started feeling really good.
And they're like, wow, how do we do this
So we do we do have tours all year round Thursday through Sunday noon to seven we close a little bit early on Sundays at 5 p.m And then we have a lot of events
going on like the next big one is the Kentucky Derby party that we'll have out on the farm on May 3rd.
So all of those events should be on our website at jhenryandsons.com on the event page.
A lot of fun dinners, fun whiskey pairings, cool product releases, stuff that you might not be able to try most other places.
We do live music and it's always a good time.
and any
Get one of these fabulous Beyond the Cheese Hats.
Joe Henry, owner of J. Henry & Sons.
It's been such a pleasure.
Thank you so much, Joe.
Really appreciate it.
Thanks a lot.
Hey, thank you so much for having me.
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Today it is the, let me transfer you edition.
But right now, it's St.
Patrick's Day.
Oh, he takes.
Ah, sure.
Oh, but you're just talking about stuff.
And off the air, we were all talking about, none of us are Irish.
I'm a Scotian.
Are you a Scotian?
No, no.
I am half.
German and French on my father's side and Lithuanian on my mother's side.
So there is just no, there's no Irish in there.
And as I told Pat Critello this morning, I am waiting for the holiday where it says, I'm celebrating half Lithuanian day where we dress as peasants and drink vodka with no ice, cause who could afford ice?
And air our grievances.
And the airing of grievances.
But we wanted to talk about your favorite Irish or Irish themed films.
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Your favorite Irish or Irish-themed movie, which is it as we celebrate St.
Patrick's Day, and I do have a couple of them.
One of them is called Waking the Divine.
Yes.
It is one of the funniest movies I have ever seen.
And it's a real quiet... You know what I mean?
It's a quiet, soft...
Yes, movie.
It takes place in a very small village in Ireland.
And it all hinges around one of the local someone in this small town has won a lottery ticket.
Yeah.
That's what the whole thing is about.
It is funny and sweet and it will get you in the heart.
And it's just it's absolutely worth watching.
And
If I remember correctly, it's been a while since I saw it.
It's family friendly too.
I know there's no sex in it, but I don't think there's any swearing.
No, I believe no, I believe it's it's Amy Adams and Matthew good who by the way Matthew good is one of the best actors I've ever seen my life and I the whole premise is in Ireland if I'm not mistaken
on Leap on the 29th of February, that's when a woman can ask a man to marry him.
That kind of thing.
If I'm wrong, but talk to my wife, she can tell, she can give you synopsis from opening credits to director's commentary.
Well, I was on the line with you.
Somebody already took my answer.
year?
The quiet man.
The quiet man with John Wayne and Maureen O'Hara.
That was a fabulous movie.
Also, I think there was the Irish movie that
they kept, they were like measuring this mountain and the Irish people kept carrying
Dirt up so that they could keep the mountain get the mountain
yes
was remember exactly what it was
Movie.
Yeah.
He has in the past five or six years has become the baddie.
Like he's a villain.
He's a bit, he's, and I don't mean like, I don't mean like wait.
So he's just growing and his.
getting bigger and he just doesn't look like he looked 25 years ago and he plays really good and it's not just villains.
He plays really good slime balls.
He's so good at being slimy in movies and you can't take your eyes off of him.
855-752.
4-8, 4-2, a good Irish film today to watch to help celebrate St.
Patrick's Day.
I already talked about waking the divine.
If you can find it, it's really sweet.
Tony, I think you're supposed to just watch Drop Kick Murphy concerts videos all day.
You can do that.
There you go.
There you go.
That
Tom from West Dallas at Boondock Saints.
That is a, a, a revenge movie that takes place in like, I think boss, it's a, it's very Irish in its presentation, the gentlemen are Irish.
And I will say this is one of those movies that a lot of dudes have a poster of in their bed, in their bedroom, like their caddy shack poster and their blues brother's poster.
And it's one of those things where men will say, Oh man, I love Boondock Saints and I love, if you love Boondock Saints, but I watched 20 minutes and I'm like, this is garbage.
But the documentary about the guy who made the movies even better because he just absolutely burned himself out and made himself a complete Pariah in Hollywood,
it's Scotland double check list from sockville listening on WAUK We're talking about good Irish or Irish related films to watch for st.
Patrick's Day
Liz from Sockville says the secret of Roan Inish, which is a classic that's been around for a really long time.
Douglas from Madison, listening on WMDX, the Englishman who went up a hill was not an Irish film, it was set in Wales.
film about relationships and friendships and challenges.
And again, it's not a big movie.
It's not a big, big film.
And I'm not even sure how it did at the box office.
I mean, but it's it's definitely worth a watch.
And to see many driver early in her career, yes, before she became as polished and and she's fabulous in that movie.
I love the TV work she's done.
There was a show that was anything for one or two seasons called Speechless, where she played the mother of a disabled boy who did not bow to the world.
She protected her son.
And the family wasn't like, it wasn't an example of like, this is how you be a good fit.
They had their problems, but she has kicked butt in it because she's excellent, excellent.
I love Minnie Driver so much.
I, the thing is, is I would like take it out a little further.
Martin McDonough who wrote, interacted it.
I love all of his films and he's an amazing playwright, but like in Bruges is an amazing film.
Seven Psychopath is so fun.
And I like, you know, if they were talking about Irish and Irish films and Irish filmmakers, Martin McDonough's movies are absolutely wonderful.
Okay.
It made me so sad.
Okay.
And we're not even gonna talk about the donkey.
No, let's not talk about the donkey.
Let's not talk about the donkey.
Those who know know.
Irish films, Irish-ish films.
Irish-adjacent?
Irish-adjacent films that we're watching for St.
Patty's Day.
Darby O'Gill and the Little People listening in Madison.
That's been around since I was a munchkin.
That's an old, old movie.
Back when, back when special effects were really special.
You know what I mean?
The early days of Hollywood
I've heard about that show.
There is, so there, I looked up a movies and there is a movie that came out.
There's a movie called The Quiet Girl, too.
Interesting.
It is an Irish film.
It is not Irish in its presentation.
It just was made in Ireland and it has Irish actors.
It's called Frank.
It did not do very well.
It stars Michael Fassbender, Jillian Hall.
I can't remember her first name right now.
And Dommel Gleason.
or Donald Cleason.
And it's about a guy who's kind of not all there, but he is kind of a weird artistic musical genius who wears a papier-mache mask on his head.
It's just a fun movie.
It's called Frank.
I loved it.
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We're hoping he's going to join us tomorrow after 10 30.
We'll see what happens.
Can we call him Lucchio Mathers?
We can call him Lucchio Mathers.
Absolutely.
That's it.
That's what makes you happy.
Right now, though, Calvin, it is time for
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Virginia Zoo.
Responding to rumors of an escaped gorilla in Norfolk, Virginia, confirmed that not only are all of its animals accounted for, they don't even have gorillas.
Social media lit up with reports of a gorilla on the loose last week after a power outage in a particular neighborhood with several Facebook users.
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We will issue a formal statement to all local media, including on Facebook, Instagram and LinkedIn.
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Starting at five.
Yuck.
And people would have lucky charms in green beer.
Disgusting.
It's a whole new level of, yeah, I can't do that.
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