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It is Tuesday, March 11th.
As of today, the average price of a gallon of 2% milk in Wisconsin, 318, the same since Friday, and the average price of a dozen large eggs here in the state, 624.
That is also the same since Friday.
Yep, you know, it's coming down.
Just as we were coming on the air, the stock market dropped another 400 points.
After President Trump announced this morning, again, just before we were coming on the air, that he is going to raise Canadian steel and aluminum tariffs to 50% in retaliation for Ontario, imposing energy duties.
Do you know where I've been hearing kicked around?
What's that?
Recession.
No, that's not gonna happen.
Donald Trump said Tuesday he's ordered his administration to raise tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum imports by an additional 25% that brings the total to 50%.
He's also repeating calls for Canada to be absorbed into the US as the 51st state.
I don't know a lot of Canadians.
I do.
But I've seen Canadians on various social media sites.
Yeah.
I don't sense a lot of excitement about
from Canada about becoming the 51st state.
Let me speak in terms that Americans will understand, I believe.
They have a very, from my cold, dead hand attitude towards this whole 51st state.
Also, would it be the 51st state just Canada or we break the provinces up to states as well?
That's one huge state and I'd be afraid of Canada.
invoking civil war, the new north versus the south.
What would
happen?
Oh, yeah.
See, you're looking ahead.
I am.
You're looking ahead.
This seems less than ideal.
Yep.
Especially when there's an article in Reuters, the byline from Timothy Apple, Trump's tariffs create the wild west on Wisconsin's factory floors.
Again, we've talked about this many, many times.
Businesses hate uncertainty.
Yes, exactly.
And that's why we're seeing what's happening with the stock market.
Because it's like, what's he gonna do tomorrow?
What's he gonna do?
Again, this came out of nowhere this morning.
And that's sort of where I'm at right now.
And maybe we can get an economist to explain to me because I can't keep up with all the tariffs now.
because just from Friday to Sunday, tariffs imposed, tariffs paused, 50% tariffs, 25% tariffs.
I don't, like, it just seems to me anytime he gets cornered, he either says, Canada is the 51st state or tariffs.
He has no other mode.
And honestly, you say the businesses don't like uncertainty, but there's a certainty right now, which is that Dow Jones has been crashing every day for weeks.
It is below 42,000.
it is almost below 41,000.
If it hits 40,000, I'm not an economist, but I know that's bad.
Well, and I saw some comments this morning also, if you are in the stock market, if you have a 401k,
you're in the
stock market, not everyone is obviously, but a fair amount of people are.
If you are watching the stock market and these fluctuations and these recent drops, if they privatize social security, this is where social security will be.
Yes.
or crypto, which is a whole nother discussion.
And we are Jamie, Jamie Martinson, who is one of our colleagues here at Civic Media has been looking for a crypto person that we can speak to who's sorry to be less than complimentary, not living in their basement.
Not going to drive.
Not going to sell.
think she found one.
Yeah.
So that will hopefully be coming in the next couple of weeks.
But this.
I thought the tariffs were all about stopping fentanyl from coming into the country.
Jane, I have
no idea.
Wasn't
that the original?
They're stupid.
The Canada and Mexico aren't doing enough about people crossing over into America and bringing fentanyl.
And that's why we're going to institute these tariffs until they crack down on all those people bringing fentanyl in.
And now that doesn't seem, I never hear that mentioned anymore at all.
Well, I mean, this, I mean, I love to have a pithy, very hilarious responses.
I always do because I'm hilarious, but.
I'm really at this point just left in the dust because it's about fentanyl.
It's about illegal immigration.
It's about keeping manufacturing in America.
It's about America.
It's about it.
And now it's just, like I said, it's just, am I in a corner?
What's the Dow Jones at?
Tariffs.
Tariffs is just the quote unquote end.
They all think that there's some magical potion inside the word tears like you split the word tears open There's a magical elixir that will fix everything fix everything and it's not doing anything because If you're going to put tariffs in fine Do it don't say you're gonna do it and then the last hour be like well except for the big three car companies except for certain parts of Canada except for these come that's that's Well, there's
carboats.
Yeah, there's carboats if you're one of the favored companies exactly
which doesn't seem entirely democratic.
No.
Wisconsin, going back to this Reuters article about terrorism in Wisconsin, Wisconsin is one place where a full-on trade war could be particularly painful given its economies close ties with Canada and the fact that it's a key political prize that has been determinative of who gets the White House.
Again, Wisconsin, a very, very important swing state.
Industrial America now calculating on whether or not, on how to go forward, and the numbers are not looking good.
Many manufacturers, including automakers in Detroit, have rushed to Washington to ask for delays or exemptions.
So doesn't that undercut the oomph of the tariff then, if you're gonna give all these special carve-outs for certain industries?
Well, if I'm, say, Toyota making cars in America,
employing US citizens to make this is this is a US made car with it with a within either a European or in a Japanese name on it if I'm from Toyota and I'm seeing that Ford and the other two are getting their their carve outs I'm not going to be happy and what if you were a smaller car company like review Rivian who is the direct competition to Elon Musk this
This doesn't seem like, you know, they said the two years of pain, we're not all going to suffer together then.
Oh, no.
So, no,
no, we were, the suffering was never going to be equal across the board.
No, and never.
Yeah.
And speaking of Elon Musk and Tesla, apparently, according to President Trump, boycotting Tesla is illegal.
I didn't know that.
I didn't
know that.
I didn't realize that.
Oh,
I'm not a very stable genius.
So that's obviously why.
Well,
he's been boycotting taxes for decades.
So.
That seems illegal.
I don't know.
I said it's a very, very, very tongue-in-cheek is I give it by summertime.
He's going to call Tesla the official car of America.
And we're going to be required to buy one.
I'll buy one with a subsidy, America.
Thank
you.
Wisconsin is a front line in this trade war, especially as it relates to Canada.
Last year, Wisconsin reported $7.9 billion worth of goods exports to Canada, everything from farm machines to car parts,
more than shipments by Wisconsin manufacturers to Mexico, China, Germany, and Australia.
So Wisconsin does a lot of business with Canada.
Wisconsin also exposed at the gas pump.
Trump's Canadian tariffs include 10% on energy.
Wisconsin gets much of its oil and gas from Alberta, Canada, funneled into Wisconsin's sole refinery in Superior.
underlining Wisconsin's Northern exposure because that refinery is owned by Canadian oil and gas producer, Centervis Energy.
And if you really want to get your mind around the oil and gas problems with regard to America and Canada and just worldwide, we would suggest going to Mr. Global's YouTube page.
He will be on the show at the end of the month,
he is posting like crazy right now on all of the different questions that are coming up, on all the concerns and the fact that
Everything coming out of the White House is bloviating and chest thumping.
It's not a solution.
It will not, it will not make the gas prices go down.
You can't, you can't make a country that produces natural resources.
Say, make it look, make it cheaper.
They're gonna be like, no, we'll do what we want.
So go to Mr. Global's YouTube page and watch his videos.
He'll explain it so well.
And if you're
unfamiliar with Mr. Global, his name is Matt Randolph.
He does own his own small oil and gas company based in Oklahoma.
He's been in the industry for more than 30 years.
You actually have to do things and be named as an expert in the oil and gas industry, which he has been.
It's not just because you're the son of someone who owns an oil company that you get that title.
No, this is an earned title.
So like Greg said, Matt has his own YouTube channel.
Just search for Mr. Global on YouTube.
I've learned so much from him.
Yes.
And he doesn't take sides.
No.
Politically.
It may seem like it because he's not a fan of what's happening now and people will be like, well, he's just part of the left.
He's not.
He's not.
He is not.
He is a guy who is just a businessman and he has the knowledge to tell you how this business oil and gas needs to be run to succeed.
And I don't think part of that success
is imposing tariffs on the energy production from other countries.
Well, I'll say it's not gonna help us at the pump.
No, it certainly isn't.
Mr. Global, by the way, Matt Randolph joining us on March 31st in a couple of weeks.
So he will be here.
But again, check him out on YouTube.
And as I like to say when I have him on the show, he has the facts and the experience to annoy everyone.
He annoys people on all sides, which I think is a...
It's an
undervalued trait.
It's an undervalued trait.
Well, anyway, yes.
Stock market is not looking good right now.
I also saw someone claim on social media that Fox has taken off its stock market tracker because things are going so poorly.
So let's just take it off and we'll pretend it's not happening.
Just
babies.
That's one way to do it.
Another way to do it when you're afraid of your constituents is to take calls.
I don't actually want to see a face-to-face, but I'll take your calls.
What do they want to ask me?
Oh, no, no.
I don't
want to answer that.
We will talk about Wisconsin, two Wisconsin politicians who deigned to take calls from their lowly constituents.
That's coming up next.
Stay with us.
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She don't mean no!
She just don't...
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Right before we went to the break, we were talking about run away, run away, run away.
We don't want to actually face our constituents anymore because they scare us.
U.S.
Congressman Tony Weed.
This is from Lisa Hale from Civic Media.
U.S.
Congressman Tony Weed answers questions at a tele town hall.
Again, we don't want to we don't want to actually see a face to face because you might, you know, have questions I don't want to answer.
So it's nice when people can just call in and then they can pick and choose which questions they want to respond to, right?
Yeah.
It's a little, it's a little safer that way.
Yeah, you know, a little safer that way to
deal with tough questions and people being on me edit you.
Tom Tiffany also at this tell a town hall event.
Tom Tiffany tell a town hall event.
Oh, lots of T's there.
Yeah.
We have a clip from Tom Tiffany.
Calvin, if you want to play that clip, please from last night,
Medicaid was put in place.
to protect people with disabilities, pregnant women, children from poor families.
That's who that was meant for.
And now we've seen a lot of people get on it that are able-bodied adults that they can work.
Do we want them getting their health care from the federal government, from you, the taxpayer?
Wouldn't it be better if they had a job and they probably got their health care via their employer?
rather than getting it from the taxpayer.
Okay, yes, if there are able-bodied people who are receiving these benefits, then yes, they should be looking for work, but it's my understanding, and correct me if I'm wrong, there are already...
pretty stringent requirements in order to get Medicaid, especially financial requirements.
If you're an able-bodied person, which I mean, Tom Tiffany just throws that around, like I don't know what that means, honestly, like you're just perfect shape, but an able-bodied person, if you're on Medicaid, it means you are making far less than which is able, far less than which is able to live on.
So Medicaid is available to you to buy to have a package for health insurance.
This
No, she's like is for pregnant women and disabled people and children like no It's for people who are not making enough money who can't work enough to get good health insurance or full-time jobs That's what I was always told
because
I tried to give I tried to get Badger a long time ago.
I'm not kidding you I mean nine dollars over the limit and they just flat out refused me couldn't get it.
Yeah
Who are these people then?
They always, we hear this so much now from Republicans.
Now we've seen a lot of people get on it that are able-bodied adults.
What are their names?
What disabilities are they claiming?
Who are these people?
Let's get some specifics instead of just we know intuitively that people are gaming the system.
Well, I think one of the problems is that people automatically equate Medicaid with unemployed.
That's not true.
If you're making minimum wage in this country, if you're making $7.25 an hour, there's a chance you can qualify for your state's Medicaid program, whether it's badger care or whatever.
So you can be an able-bodied person with a job, but your job doesn't pay you enough to...
or it doesn't have good quality healthcare.
You look at Walmart, Walmart used to have a history of telling their employees to go on their state medical insurance plans because they didn't want to pay them more and they didn't want to put them on their health insurance.
Well, the Waltons are struggling, you know.
The family that owns Walmart, they are struggling.
They're like, what,
like one of the lower billionaires?
family even have a hundred billion
to go along Greg with which you just said Cassandra on the live stream says all you have to do is go to your local Walmart to find the able-bodied individuals that are unmedicated they are working and they aren't being paid a living wage yeah
I looked up how much Walmart pays their employee the average on the on the search said was 1750 I don't know if that's true there's a lot of Walmart's but
Cassandra is right.
That is one of the chief examples that was used back in the day about Walmart.
And it wasn't just even that we're qualifying for Medicaid.
It was that they were telling the employees to
take it.
To apply for it.
So don't equate Medicaid with jobless loser who's sitting in his mother's basement doing nothing.
There are going to be extenuating circumstances.
And it's not just like I walk in going.
Medicaid, please, you gotta go through paperwork and talk to people.
It's not just you pull a lever and then your check comes out.
And it
never stops.
Yeah.
And it never stops.
Yeah, I believe that there are some checks on that.
Unless, of course, they keep cutting all the positions for people who check on things like that, but that could be a problem.
The other thing, and we're gonna talk more about this on another show, but not every person who suffers with a disability has one that is recognizable by sight.
Exactly.
Right.
Exactly.
And there's someone on the live stream saying they can learn to code.
There's nothing wrong with suggesting new avenues of jobs.
And yes, people can get new jobs and people can try new careers, but that doesn't also mean it's gonna pay great.
I'm sorry to tell you, but there is an influx of coding now.
Everyone wants to learn to code, and that doesn't mean you're gonna get those $100,000 jobs anymore.
And don't you have to pay to learn how to code?
Yeah,
you have to go to school to
learn how to do that.
Oh, and that costs money.
Yes, okay.
Unless you do bootstraps, YouTube University, and then you start your own company.
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We are delighted to be joined by our friend and colleague Todd Alba.
from the aptly named Todd Alba show from noon to two across the network.
And you're going to be part of our special coverage tomorrow night, correct, Todd?
Wait, I am.
Let me check.
I heard your name mentioned.
I'm fairly certain.
That's how things work around here.
What are you doing next few hours?
What are you doing tomorrow night?
I know I am.
Yeah.
It's you and no number.
You and Dan
Shay for it.
Yes, it's a happy threesome on the air.
Tomorrow night for the Overture Center, it'll be fantastic, a political extravaganza not to be missed by anybody.
It's being held at the Overture Center in the same theater where they did shucked the musical when it was in town.
So I'm not sure if there's any meaning to that, but it should be a lot of fun.
And this is
all to lead up to the debate between Susan Crawford and Brad Shimmel on Wednesday night, correct?
Yes, our friends at Up North News Radio, of course, hosted by our very own Pat Crite Low, in conjunction with Courier News Service, are putting together this forum to talk about democracy and the Supreme Court race and focus a little bit on education with the DPI race coming up on the 1st of April as well.
And it was already fantastic.
And then they said, it's too fantastic.
Let's bring it down a notch.
So let's ask Todd to be involved.
And so I said, sure, I'll come on over and be a part of that.
But it should be great.
because civic media has agreed to air it in its entirety.
And so we'll air it here on the broadcast network.
And Dan Schaefer, as always, he's fantastic.
Of course, our political editor and co-founder of The Founder of the Reconpopulation Area.
So it'll be great.
I think it'll be informative and I hope it's just kind of a conversational panel discussion where we bring people of Wisconsin some real views and maybe even a couple of solutions to work on.
Wonderful.
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Across the Civic Media Radio Network.
A couple of things, Todd.
We wanted to kick around with you, including the fact that Rebecca Cook announced this morning that she will be running once again against Derek Van Bully in Wisconsin's western side.
She's got a good chance, I think.
I would like to think anyway.
You'd like to think as soon as you in fact I hear what's going on I had a couple things to do.
I have a phone turned down I miss James first messages He said we're gonna talk about something else and then she and then she said actually I think we're gonna talk about Rebecca cook and my first reaction was why and I thought I saw that then I googled it and I'm like, oh, I guess she's running I had no idea until Jane told me this morning see what you learn
See what you learn time huh breaking news on civic media and Todd's phone
Democrat Rebecca Cook launches bid to unseat Derek Van Orden in Wisconsin's battleground seat.
Now you did a lot of traveling you live in or you're from Richland Center and I know you go home quite a bit and the last time around when Rebecca was running against it was Katrina Shankland and Rebecca Cook and Derek Van Orden and you saw a lot of support for Rebecca Cook you said in parts of Western Wisconsin.
Yeah and let me right up front let me make clear.
Derek Van Norton, in my opinion, has no business, or should I say, back to Richland Center, no business, be an United States congressman.
He's he remember this is the guy who is detained by TSA for trying to get a gun on a plane in Iowa.
Load of gun.
He verbally abused.
Yes, he verbally abused a teenager in his adopted hometown of a prayer machine at a library because he was he was ticked off because there are LGBTQ books on display.
He verbally abused and assaulted teenage pages in the US Capitol while he was inebriated.
And it's important to remember he doesn't deny any of the things I just said.
Yeah.
So I and that's and that's in addition to, in my opinion, abdicating his elected responsibility and running off to Israel.
to play soldier over there.
That's right.
I mean, I know the guy, the guy is, you know, a former Navy SEAL or these, that's what he claims.
And if he really did that, then, then hats off to him.
But I don't think just because you did one good thing in your life, that, that washes away all the current things or more recent things that you've done.
So I, I mean, that's, that's number one.
Number two, to your point, Jane.
There was a very divisive Democratic primary last time around between Katrina Shanklin, which was the darling of the Madison Capital Mainstream Democratic Party, Mark Pocant, who I think a lot of congressmen from down here, his friends were Shanklin, and they thought they had it in the bag.
Meanwhile, Cook ran a very grassroots campaign.
She had run the time before, came in second to Brad Paff, the state senator from La Crosse, and she ran a great primary campaign, quite frankly, a better one than Shanklin.
I think they're both women great candidates, but but cook right in the better primary The Democratic Party in my opinion never coalesced around cook after that because there were a lot of hurt feelings a lot of hard feelings there and And give cook credit in the story in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, which I looked up at Virginia told me this morning You know it was it was cook doing better in Western, Wisconsin than either Harris or Baldwin by the way interesting and so and so
Cook only lost by 2.7% or whatever.
So give her a lot of credit for that.
What I hear from, and look, I'm left Republican Party in 2011.
I'm not a Democrat, but I keep in touch with people there, spend time there.
What I hear from local Democratic parties, Richland County, other places, is that the Cook campaign, and we saw this last time around,
They're very insular.
She brought a big name guy in from Texas to run her campaign last time and did really great.
But they don't, they tend not to reach out and work with local county democratic parties.
And that creates hard feelings.
I know that we tried to get cook on civic media and they just said, hands off.
We're not going there because they didn't want to be viewed as quote unquote too liberal.
She runs this very, hey, I'm for everybody mainstream campaign I put on flannel and I'm just, I'm not sure if you guys have heard of this or not.
She's just a waitress.
Uh, and, and she likes it.
Look, I've run, I ran, I lost twice for state assembly in western and southwest Wisconsin.
I've run state senate campaigns, a one state assembly campaigns, a one, and I've, uh, run losing congressional campaigns in the third district.
I know what it takes to run a congressional campaign in the third district.
You ain't going to do that by being a waitress.
So either she has family money and that's great if she does, but just say that.
Or she relies on these big donors from other places, the Blue Dog Democrats and other places to do the campaign.
Again, that's fine.
Just be yourself.
And you know, we saw, we saw Bernie Sanders come in.
You guys know, you guys covered it yesterday.
I played some of the cuts from El Tuna here.
I mean, just a couple of things.
You guys know this.
What people's told Bernie Sanders the Western Wisconsin mattered to them heat.
meals, paying bills, I get shoes for my kids or boots for myself, eyeglasses for my kids or eyeglasses for myself.
Those are the things that people in Western Wisconsin are talking about.
So.
I know you didn't ask me, but I'm gonna say it anyway.
Here are a couple of things that I would do if I was advising Rebecca Cook and I'm not.
Number one, hire a PI to find out Derek Van Orton's actual military record.
Why is it that nobody that he ever served with stands behind him and endorses him?
Did he really get an honorable discharge while you're doing that?
make a group of veterans, everything from the Korean War to the Afghanistan War that called Derek Van Orton out on his military record as an abomination.
Two, talk to Dairyland Power, the largest power supplier in Western Wisconsin, along with rural electric cooperatives, and have them talk about what these tariffs in Canada are going to do to local energy costs in Western Wisconsin.
And finally,
find a local action or local law enforcement retired or current, at least a couple that call him out on this January 6th stuff.
Those are the things where you had dividing factors in Western Wisconsin.
Big ag going after quote unquote big ag and abortion rights, that ain't gonna cut it.
in my opinion.
It's almost to a moreifice.
It's not immediate enough, as you said.
People are talking about much more immediate concerns and immediate needs.
And I also wonder too, Todd, the danger of trying to be this moderate where
I can get along with everybody.
Well, can you?
And going back to the whole money thing, I wish they would all, every single politician on both sides, just admit, yes, we take a whole bunch of money from people who don't live here.
Can we all just admit that and get it out there?
We all know that anyway.
In a perfect world, it'd be great if we had campaign funding limits and public money.
We don't.
That's not going to change the next two or three years.
So your point is exactly right, Jane, in my opinion.
Todd, you brought up the January 6th thing, which a lot of times we throw it around is like, it was also January 6th.
But I think when you look at the number of people in this country who are unhappy that the current president just blanketed, pardoned all of these people out of prison, the fact that we didn't like that, and the fact that Derek Van Noren was at that event, at that insurrection event,
It needs to be talked about more it gets swept under the carpet so much and for a guy who claims to be a proud vet The fact that he went to the Capitol to try to up end our constitutional process and our voting That is also something I feel like Rebecca Cook should be talking about regularly and I was gonna say I said to Jane I have some thoughts on what Rebecca should because I've also run campaigns as well But you said them all and it's also about I think that she can be
not moderate, but she can speak to the to the voice of all Wisconsinites because what we heard from the the Marquette University poll last week is that a majority of Wisconsinites are on the same page when it comes to things like gun control gun safety laws comes to abortion comes to marijuana legalization comes to affordability for childcare and things that we all come together in that I think that Rebecca Cook can represent that will of Wisconsin and take it
in a race against Derek Van
Orton.
I agree with you.
I think it's weird to use Tim Welles' word that Derek Van Oorten was at January 6th.
I think that's less of an election issue than the fact that he supports Donald Trump pardoning all the people
of
January 6th who attacked law enforcement.
That's the 77%er that people in America disagree with.
So run on that.
Forget about his personal, whether he was there or not.
And look, I'm fine with legalization of marijuana.
That ain't an issue.
That's gonna, that's my opinion.
It doesn't resonate.
Well, run on the things.
One of the things that people in Western Wisconsin that told Bernie those household issues, the fact that we are in people in Western Wisconsin, Jane, you and I saw this on Flag Day and Amory.
They are patriotic.
They love our country.
It doesn't matter who you voted for at the top of the ticket.
I bet you most of those people in Amory at Flag Day are not going to support Donald Trump and Derek Van Orton pardoning January 6th insurrectionists who attacked law enforcement.
But I think there is a certain segment who have and don't find that problematic.
Correct 30% you're you absolute there's 30 33% who exactly what you just said they don't care, but there's another middle part there
that those Evers Johnson voters, those Trump Baldwin voters, those folks do care about those things, in my opinion.
And I also wish, I wish that character still mattered, because again, when we look some of that, when
we
look at some of the past behavior of Derek Van Orden, he loves picking on people who are younger and weaker and smaller than he is.
He really does.
He's great and a big man when it comes to picking on a teenage librarian.
He's all tough guy then, but when it comes to, I don't know, actually facing his constituents and answering questions, plush, where is he?
He's the invisible man unless you have 40 bucks you want to shell out for this Saturday.
In Richland Center.
In
Richland Center, he's going to be there.
When I ran several Richland County Lincoln Day dinners and the big debate what I was doing it is should the tickets go above $19.99 in cost?
And now there's 40 bucks a piece.
I don't know too many people in Richland County who are going to pay out $40 a piece.
And if people want to go and voice their concern in their first amendment, right, that's great.
The only thing I ask, stay on the sidewalk.
Don't the good people in the center.
Don't be obnoxious, yes.
The people that are hosting this at the Phoenix Center, they have hosted the patriotic millionaires as well as Republican events.
They are not partisan.
They do a great business.
They have a great staff and great food.
This ain't their problem.
They're opening their facility up to anybody who rents it out.
So if you're going to go, stay on the sidewalk.
Don't block the driveway.
Don't try to get in.
Just...
You know, be a peaceful demonstrator.
Or buy a ticket
and have a nice, I'm sure it's going to be a great dinner for your $40.
I'll guarantee you they are screening people and will probably have law enforcement at the door.
to screen out those undesirables.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised.
It's going to be a telegenic.
In the day, it's not a public event.
It's a
private event by the Richland County Republicans.
Well, if you are one of his constituents, this is your chance to actually, I don't know, see his face in person.
To see him.
To
get to see him.
Yes.
It's
like Sasquatch.
It's like Sasquatch.
We know he exists.
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I want to talk a little bit about Governor Evers has come out with some of his budget proposals, his capital budgets.
calls for 4.1 billion in building projects.
And again, it always seems to me like Tony Evers overreaches by 500
miles.
500 miles 500 miles I
mean and Greg has pointed said before that you know, it's it's like when you're in a negotiation
pulmonary song by
glad When you're in a negotiation you start way high and then you expect to you know do some dealing and then come back to a more reasonable level But 4.1 billion sounds like an awful lot of money I
Haven't gone through every every detail of it.
Yes, I think your point Jane to the average Wisconsinite they're going what
Again Quite love picks on me for this really.
I'm not trying to be a jerk to Tony Evers I think he's the he's the last line of defense.
He's the only thing preventing Wisconsin from being a Texas or Florida version of Insanity with the sippy
with the
sippy right So I'm very thankful for Tony Evers in many ways.
I just think he has a very poor communication
program or department around him or the people around him are poor communicators.
And I think it would have been much better whether it was Jim Doyle or Tommy Thompson.
You know what you do?
You get the old GMC state automobile with a with a state trooper out in front of you.
So you don't have to follow the speed limit.
And you go around Wisconsin and you go to Amory.
and you talk about why we need to improve the facilities at Rice at UW Barron in Rice Lake and then you go to Milwaukee and you say here's why we need to add a new facility for healthcare at UW Milwaukee because they're treating all kinds of nurses and health professionals and you build a narrative as my friend Trigby Olson likes to say and you build a case and then you say
And now here's how much it's going to cost.
And here's the plan.
And here's why I'm asking this after you've built up support in all these communities around Wisconsin rather than just saying, well, I need this.
Well, and it's just it's just it's poor communication.
I don't disagree with you.
And I don't think anyone is disputing that a lot of this stuff has been.
The can has been kicked down the road for years, decades and decades and decades and both sides have done it, especially when we're talking about deferred maintenance costs for a lot of public buildings.
Both sides are responsible for this mess that we're in when now we have this building needs a billion dollars worth of repairs or we're going to have to tear it down.
But I think you make a really good point, Todd, in going to the places
looking at the issue right there and then saying, and now here is the fix for this.
Right.
Again, it's about building a narrative and building support.
And that to me is one of the best ways to cut through partisan politics and roadblocks because
I mean, you've seen a Jane, you've been a Richland Center with me, where they closed down our two-year campus there.
And when they were trying to save it, they had signs that said, save our campus in blue and white, the college colors.
And they were in the yards of people who normally had Trump yard signs and the people who had Obama and Harris signs.
It cut through.
It was, it didn't matter.
So that's why I say you go, you go and build a narrative.
And, you know, if it's in Southwest Wisconsin.
Then those folks who vote and give money to Howard Markline, the co-chair of the Joint Finance Committee, and Tony Kurtz, who sits in the Joint Finance Committee, both Republicans, and they say, look, boys, we need this.
You need to get behind evers and get this done.
That's how you build coalitions.
You don't allow, you shouldn't allow, it's not productive to say, well, we're only going to deal with people who voted for us.
That's just not how it's done.
No.
And there are too many people around Governor Evers who have a hair up their rear end that if you ever supported a Republican or your Republican, they don't want to do business with you.
You're never going to get your stuff done that
way.
And purity tests are a great way to fail.
Yes.
And we see that, of course, on the Republican side all the time.
Yes.
So, I mean, two rights don't make a wrong.
You have to be the better person.
You have to be the leader of Wisconsin and say, this is how we're going to do it.
I just think it comes down to the only, I don't mean to be the, the fly in the ointment is that we see lawmakers in Madison coming together and agreeing on things, agreeing on, you know, monies for programs and then being stopped in joint finance or being stopped by Robin Voss.
I think it also comes to, it comes down to.
Whether it's Republicans or Democrats and Republicans together have to stand up and say, we need better leadership at the top so we can get these things done to get the money to the people who need it the most and save these programs around the
state.
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