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The, the race for Wisconsin Supreme court, just a judge, Susan Crawford versus a Brad Schimmel.
And we, um, we want to talk about that.
We want to talk about that.
And we got something, and you brought this to me yesterday regarding Brad Schimmel, a new ad that dropped from his campaign.
Yeah.
So he put out this ad.
I don't know if it's brand new for it's been kind of like bouncing around the last couple of weeks, but it's kind of been like gaining and prominence over
the
recently and it's an it's an ad that's on abortion rights.
Yeah.
And it features his two adopted adult daughters.
Yes.
And it also, you know, kind of talks about the issue and about like where Wisconsinites stand on
it.
Yeah.
And he brings up
a referendum.
So I have, I have multiple issues with this ad and we can kind of go through it as, as we take a look at it here.
But, but which, which piece of it did you want to start with?
Well, I want to listen to the
clip.
Let's listen to the clip.
So everyone can hear the ad themselves.
This is, it opens with the adopted daughters of Brad Schimmel and they're talking about, they're giving their story.
Very, very common in political campaigns.
Cal, please play that for me.
Our birth moms were young.
Being pregnant at 18, I wouldn't know what to do.
And that's when our mom and dad adopted us.
I can't imagine facing that decision.
Mackenzie and Haley are my greatest blessings.
I'm personally grateful for the choice their birth mothers made.
But a judge's job is to apply the law, not make the law.
The people of Wisconsin.
through referendum or their elected representatives should decide the question of abortion.
I'm Brad Schimmel and I will respect the will of the people.
Okay.
So that is the ad running from the, that is, that is a Schimmel ad that is not a PAC ad that it comes from the Schimmel campaign.
And when I heard that, there's just a whole host of things that pop out for me personally that I have issues with.
But Dan, I wanted to start with you.
Where does it hit with you first and foremost?
Well, first and foremost,
So there's obviously a couple things that we're going to talk about this.
But first and foremost, what bothers me about this is just coming from the perspective of a parent.
You have two kids.
And I have
two kids.
And I think putting your own kids in a political ad is a real problem to me.
And I think Republicans do this.
Democrats do it.
People always will use their their kids in ads.
I hate when they do this.
Yeah, it really bothers me.
I really think they should leave your your kids out of it.
I think it's a poor decision as a candidate to put to put your kids into that position to be on ads statewide to, you know, make them part of your because I think it's there's a couple problems with that.
I think it is inappropriate.
for one, to just use your own children to make a political point.
And I think it is also kind of exploitative of them to include them in certain ads if you're making a certain point.
And I think that you should just keep the kids out of it.
Like, I just think you should keep your kids out of this.
And I think we've seen, you know, Elon Musk bringing his son to these, you know, kind of public...
meetings
and
press conferences and things like that.
You know, I think this is just kind of like generally a debate, like, you know, you see, you know, new mothers who are congresspeople or state representatives or whatever nursing their child on the, you know, legislative floor
or
whatever it might be.
And, but I just think it, to me, it crosses the line when you put them in an ad.
And I think that is a real problem.
And I think
And I don't care if it is a like I said Democrats do this Republicans do this whatever and I think it as a parent it bothers me to see people put their own kids in ads
They're I mean they're being used for fodder.
They're being used to appeal to a certain demographic of individuals who if the kids are a part of it it can almost be like well his kids seem nice and he seems like a nice guy and now I know him and
I am not, you know, I, I'm not huge on using kids.
If the kids are of more of an adult age, that it depends on what they're saying.
But in this ad, it really, it bothered me because it just sort of scatter shot everything.
It's like, okay, you've got the story of the two girls.
It's a great story.
The shimmels found two girls who needed a home.
The mothers wanted to give them for adoption.
That's beautiful.
That's the great thing about having the choice to do that in America.
Cool.
That's not everybody's opportunity.
That's not everybody's choice.
And that's not everybody's situation.
It made it seem like, because he's told the story before, it made it seem like they swooped in to these two mothers who are going to just give up and abort their babies late in their terms.
And they were going to say like, these will take your children and they're the, they're the heaven sent angels.
I don't know if that's true or not.
Right.
But what I do know is that on the topic of abortion,
He then says we need to talk to that.
We need to listen to the will of the people.
Okay How do we do that?
That's the problem because of what he says right right
and And again with the jit with just putting your kids in ads and I
I'd be interested if our listeners or
have some thoughts on this.
Because
I know we have parents in the listening audience.
And just what do you think of putting your children in political ads?
I found myself in a statewide political ad last year.
Really?
Yes.
So I interviewed Tammy Baldwin last year, and I asked her a question about her thoughts on the Biden presidency.
This was when Biden was still running.
And that clip was...
pulled by the Huvdy campaign and put into a statewide ad with like the scary graphics and like the doom voice and Tabby
Baldwin talks to people
blah blah blah you know and so I started getting feedback from people that I hadn't heard from in forever yeah because the ad was running statewide and it was me asking a question and it was Senator Baldwin answering it and if I'm getting that type of feedback just from like being a guy
put into an ad, I cannot imagine you're putting your children in that position because you're going to get some negative feedback.
You're going to get some pushback.
You are going to put your own kids who you want to protect and make sure they are safe.
And I know they are adult children.
It may be a great story.
It may have been their idea to be in the ad.
I have no idea.
I don't know.
I just don't think it's appropriate to be putting your kids in ads.
And then when I criticize,
Republican politicians, Democratic politicians, whatever it might be, I always want to leave their personal lives out of it.
I've made this point, there was the story circulating about Elon Musk and some sort of pregnancy that was happening.
A bunch of liberals were gonna pounce on it and whatever.
I don't care.
I don't care about these people's personal lives, have 70 kids, get 40 divorces.
I don't care.
It's not.
it's not relevant to me.
It's a personal issue.
But then when you're pulling your own children into a political ad and putting them in a position where they could get some sort of reaction on
a
statewide basis, they're visually there at the beginning of the
ad.
I just find it to be really inappropriate and kind of exploitative and kind of just gross.
It just makes me feel gross to even think about putting my kids in that type of position.
Well, we're going to turn that question to the audience here, which I see you on the line.
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If you're just joining us, we are talking about an ad that dropped from the Brad Shimmel campaign and it involved his daughters telling their story of adoption.
And it's a, it's a beautiful story.
It's a wonderful story.
We all support these kinds of stories.
Dan Shaver brought it to my attention and we were talking about the fact of, do you like seeing children being used in ads?
And just to give you a brief overview, Dan, you are not in favor.
And that is,
regardless of party.
So that's what we want
to
know.
If you disagree with everything else we talk about, if you vote differently than we vote,
on this matter, how do you feel?
And I can see both sides of it.
I've talked to other parents about this and and other people who are like engaged in politics I was I was texting with Kate Duffy from motherhood for good about this See what she thought about it and I think there are many different perspectives And I think you know there are certain politicians who were just like want to have their kids You know they're part of their lives so they're gonna be part of their public lives as well as their private lives But I think to me it to me it crosses a line to put them in an in an advert
that's going to be running statewide.
If you're standing in front of your office saying, hey, I'm celebrating being sworn in today, or whatever, that's a little bit different.
But I think when you're putting people in ads that are running statewide or running all over the place, that have millions of dollars behind them,
I just find it to be inappropriate.
I find it to be inappropriate when Republicans do this.
I find it to be inappropriate when Democrats do this.
Just leave the kids out of it.
Yeah.
Well, let's hear from the people on the phone.
We got people waiting for us on the phone line.
I really appreciate your patience.
Jean, remote Claire.
Jean, what do you say about a topic like this?
Do you agree with Dan or are you more of like, eh, it's fine.
Look at all the circumstances of this ad.
You know, we got a guy here who doesn't support, you know, daycare, you know, uh, you know,
from opting for public schools, child labor laws.
And, you know, we got this guy who's got a really abhorrent history.
And I really think it's the exploitation of adopted children.
And there have been children that I've known and worked with whose parents say to them, you're just lucky I adopted you.
You're just lucky.
And puts them in a category that they are different.
from normal families in a negative way.
So there's a lot of things with this that isn't pretty.
So thank you very much for taking my call.
And I think it's exploitation of children.
It's ridiculous, especially with this issue.
Have a great day, guys.
You too.
You too, Jeannie.
Thanks, Jeannie.
Thanks for calling.
We appreciate it.
I, as I said before, I have less of a problem with it, depending on the situation.
My big thing is using
your children to talk about the abortion issue, and then you saying, I'm going to listen to the people.
And if the people want a referendum, which we don't do, or through the representative of democracy, which is controlled by Republicans who will not vote for this.
it leaves you in this weird chasm of like, well, what did I just watch?
Like for me, you were more upset about it.
I was more like, this ad is deception.
And it makes it seem like you don't know the process of the state of Wisconsin.
So why would I vote for you in the first place?
It offended me on an emotional level, obviously.
And it also offended me as like a political, from a level of like political analysis, because...
basically like the Republicans are trying to have it, but have it both ways.
They're playing both sides of the issue here.
And they've been doing this for the last several years when Ron Johnson was, uh, was running for reelection in 2022.
This was his platform too, to say like, Hey, let's have a referendum and let's let voters decide.
And then, uh, Tony Evers comes back and says, okay.
We'll have a referendum and the Robin Voss says, no, we're not doing a referendum.
And so it's just this like circular run around that Wisconsin Republicans are putting people through to just be completely manipulative on the issue and preying on the fact that like.
You know, it sounds nice.
It sounds nice to have a referendum on an issue, but it's not a thing.
And they themselves are blocking any action towards having statewide referenda on any issue, not just this issue, but this issue, but any issue.
Exactly.
And that's the part that really grinds my gears more than anything else.
But Cassandra's been holding in New London.
Cassandra, what's say you?
Cassandra?
Oh, there you are.
I'm here.
Hi.
So I have a couple different ways of looking at this.
I agree.
I don't think it's great.
I mean, if they have the choice and they wanted to get involved, that's one thing.
I also think that the irony of this ad is incredible.
The fact that he brings up, oh, their mom made this choice, this amazing choice.
And it's like, you keep saying choice, but you don't know what it means.
It's a great
point.
Yeah.
I have a friend who is adopted and she was adopted into a lovely family.
They had money to adopt a child.
There are millions of people throughout this country who can't afford to adopt children.
And we kind of ignore that fact.
And I just think it's totally out of touch.
And the fact that he brings up, hey, we want the people to vote on this and have a referendum.
Well, you need to talk to your buddy Robin Voss.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Thank you, Cassandra, for calling.
I really appreciate it.
I think that's the thing is, like, there is so much happening with this ad that is both, like, from a parent's side can be offensive and also just from a procedural side, you're like, yeah.
Who are you?
You are trained in the law.
You should know this.
And this isn't your first go around.
It's like you wake up today and be like, I'm going to run for Supreme Court.
You've held jobs in the law before.
You know how Wisconsin works.
And
we got some more phone calls waiting on the line here.
We're going to keep talking about this.
And we're also going to be talking about Oscar time.
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But back to what we were talking about before, Brad Schimel's campaign has dropped an ad and in the ad is his adopted daughters.
He has two adopted daughters telling their story about how they came into the Schimel's lives.
And it's a beautiful story.
I mean, I'm all for it.
I'm all for adoption.
I think everyone's for adoption.
Hopefully if you're not, you have some explaining to do.
But it doesn't say right with you, Dan.
And we've got some callers on the line, but just, yeah, I'll just quickly reiterate my point.
Yeah.
I think it's a, you know, it makes me uncomfortable to see, uh, people use their own kids in political ads.
It's one, obviously your, your politics are going to be informed by your own situation.
Obviously Brad Schimmel, you know, having adopted two daughters, that is going to.
Inform his politics.
I'm a father.
That informs my politics too.
But to take the step to put them in a political add, I think it, I think is inappropriate.
Okay.
Uh, we had some thoughts on the live stream as well.
Tony listening up north said, I do not like kids and ads at all, which is understandable.
I think that I, I get that.
I'm, I'm sort of falling in the middle.
It depends on the situation, but I completely understand where you're coming from.
And Cassandra just says, you stole my line, 10 out of five stars.
We're sorry.
We'll never do that again.
We have some people sitting on the phone for us.
We wait and patiently and in Chippewa Falls.
Anne, how do you feel about the situation?
Yay or nay?
Well, I say nay because I feel once again, this new Republican party, they call themselves MAGA.
It's all about blame and shame to
women
that aren't able to give up their children.
And if Wisconsin wants more workforce from young people,
They're going to be running to Minnesota because they don't have that over there.
They have rights still in Minnesota.
So Brad Schimel needs to watch out what he says about women because I feel like women should have a choice with their own bodies and it should be a private choice.
Men especially should keep their nose out of women's health care.
So that's the way I feel.
I think it's a game with Brad Schimel.
And I think he's doing this purposefully to degrade women that aren't able to give their babies up.
So that's where I stand with that whole ad.
Thank
you.
Thank you, Anne, for calling in.
We appreciate hearing from you as always.
Yeah.
I mean, that's how I feel about the ad in general.
It's a lot of confusing feelings, a lot of confusing points and doesn't really focus on the main problem, which is, I mean,
Most of America believes that abortion access is something that's a fundamental right.
You should have access to health care to that procedure.
If you need it, Wisconsin believes in that.
Kansas voted to protect abortion rights.
When Kansas votes for it, come on, man.
And just listen to the story that was on your show a couple days ago.
Yes.
Oh my God.
So on Tuesday, we spoke with Dr. Kristen Lyrely and she brought, I don't know if she's a colleague, but something she's worked with who went through a horrific pregnancy.
There were problems and it was one of those situations where she couldn't be given the access to abortion that she needed because of the temporary ban on the abortion law.
Go back, listen to it, go to civicmedia.us, go to shows.
It's just called Laurel story.
Listen to it.
It's heavy.
It is on
the YouTube channel too.
So yeah.
Yeah.
So it's a lot.
This is what women go through.
And I'm saying that as a man and I get it.
And I'm, I'm making, I'm making no, I'm not telling anybody what to do with their bodies, but, and listening to her talk, tell her story.
It is not an outlier, which we were accused of showing.
Someone called her an outlier, which I was like, that's a human.
That's an outlier.
But this story has been happening all over the country.
Check out Texas, but.
Um, yeah, I, the, the, the under, the underlying, the subtext of the, uh, I can see where Anna's coming from as well.
Jim from Brookfield, you've been very, very patient.
What say you on the issue?
Yay or nay, kids in political ads.
They are the kids in political ads.
So good Friday, Dan and, and, um, Greg and Calvin as a father of two wonderful girls, I would never use them politically.
And I don't, um, agree with anybody who does put their own kids in political ads.
for two reasons.
One, I think that the child or the individual is exploited.
And number two, too often it's used as political cover.
Now clearly in the Brad Schimmel ad that those two girls are being exploited.
You know, Schimmel never comes out really and says how he stands on the issue.
He just said that he swept in 11th hour and saved these, you know, these wonderful girls, more power to them and great, but he never takes a stand on the issue and sort of misleads.
you know, the audience that, you know, it's up to the public to decide, you know, up to the citizens to decide their own issues.
That's not the case.
We know that Brad Schimmel, you know, would vote in a minute.
to, you know, outlaw abortion in the state of Wisconsin.
I mean, the underlying vibe is there.
So I think those girls are being exploited.
I think it's wrong.
And then also if they're not really directly ads, but often politicians use their own children for political cover.
And I can only reference back a few years or maybe a several years ago, the Milwaukee mayor, John Norquist Democrat, you know, he was.
found that he was having an affair with a Milwaukee City, Milwaukee intern, you know, or an employee.
And the first time he faced the public, you know, the press to answer questions, allegations to address the issue, he was holding his young daughter in his arms.
Now, why on earth would anybody need to do that unless they are clearly using them as a shield?
And I get very frustrated, although it's not, like I say, a direct ad, but children are used as political cover.
And I don't think much of anybody from any party
who
does that.
And I feel sad when they're exploited.
I'm going to use this political cover.
Thank you so much, Jim.
Yeah, it seems to be, I mean, I'm looking at the text line here right now.
There's a lot of people who do agree with you, Dan.
They just, they don't like seeing it.
As someone who's worked in political campaigns, I know it's hard to not do it.
the team will want to push that because they want, they want you to look.
It did to the point where if you didn't, they'd be like, well, where's this family?
You know what I mean?
They want to look relatable, right?
Yeah, and I just saw a text here that really hit with me from Carol in Waukesha says, as someone who has adopted herself, I feel Schimmel is using his daughters as a prop.
I'm not suggesting he didn't love them, but it seems like he's using the decision to adopt to advance his campaign.
at their expense.
And I mean, that's perfectly reasonable.
Jake from Madison says, I also note that Schimmel keeps using the word choice when talking about the birth parent giving up the kids for adoption, but Brad Schimmel wouldn't allow for a choice as it stands today.
Yeah.
There's
like this series of contradictions
that
are in this ad.
And you can go, and you can go back and listen to him.
He fully supports the 1849 ban.
He calls it, he asked where the flaw is.
He is not a person who is going to listen to the people of Wisconsin.
I'm sorry.
Everyone had a problem with justice.
Jenna prose saying that the maps were rigged and they lost their minds and their hair was on fire.
This man has gone on record multiple times talking about abortion.
And I said it on this show.
that if abortion comes before the Wisconsin Supreme Court, if those same people who said that Justice Janet should recuse herself because of calling the maps rigged, if they don't call for him to recuse himself, their hypocrisy is so, so visible and so disgusting.
Yeah, and it, and I'm sure certainly don't expect them.
It's just all to the ends of power too, right?
But let me ask you this, Greg, if this was...
an ad on a different topic.
If it was, let's just say, I don't know, something having to do with history as a judge or history as attorney general or something like that.
If it wasn't specific to this topic, would you have as much of a problem with it?
If it was something, you'd have to be the- I guess
all the context matters,
right?
Yeah, and with this, with this,
Ad, I have a problem with it.
I don't disagree with what you're saying.
I don't disagree with what Carol from Waukesha is saying.
Cassandra actually says it really well on the live stream.
It's one thing to humanize the candidate, which is what you see in pictures and some ads.
It's another thing to manipulate voters with kids.
Yes, if you're using your children to manipulate votes beyond just the like, hey, I'm a good guy or a good lady.
Here's my family.
Here's my kids.
Yes, I have a problem with that.
And then opening up with them and the one girl saying,
If I was 18 years old and had a child, I wouldn't know what to do.
Understandable.
There's a lot of scared young women out there who are in these situations who are younger than that.
But unfortunately we have laws in place now that tell them they don't have a choice.
Their worst fears might come true in whether it's a health reason or having being a 15 year old giving birth to a baby.
So like I said before.
I love the story.
It's wonderful they were adopted.
We should have more policies that make it more friendly for people to adopt.
We should be a more pro family, state, country, whatever.
Pro life should mean life, not just one form of life.
Cindy from Appletons on the line right now, Cindy, what say you?
Well, I have two things.
First of all, I don't think children should be used.
I don't think wives should be used too much.
I would say conflicts of interest.
Let's put it that way.
Okay.
And the second thing I'd like to say is today is National Black Outspeak Economic Day, which is asking everyone in this country to unite and not buy anything corporate today.
Don't buy shopping unless it's a mom-and-pop.
Okay.
I'm already well on my way.
All
right.
Well, thank you very much for calling in, Cindy.
It's a hard line to walk with the family.
But I think, as Sandra says it perfectly, if you're humanizing yourself, that's fine.
I get that.
And you should do it if you want to.
If the kids are comfortable with it, great.
But if we're using those children to manipulate a topic such as this, I understand where you, Dan, and everyone else who was called and texted is getting upset about it because this is such a bigger, deeper discussion than just saying, well, I have two wonderful daughters.
Isn't that great?
And by the way, I'll listen to the people if you want to vote in referendum.
It's like, no, we can't
talk to Robin Voss.
Yes.
And he also says, I saw the tweet when he put this ad out on the Twitter timeline saying, a judge's job is to apply the law, not make the law.
In that ad, he proposes a way to make the law in version of a referendum.
You don't see the obvious inherent contradiction with that.
It's so absurd.
I'd also go back and listen to yesterday's show.
We had Judge Susan Crawford on who had some really wonderful things to say about what she's doing with her campaign and how she's dealing with all this major campaign financing coming from out of state from one Elon Musk, but
We're going to leave it there.
I want to thank everyone for calling in and texting in.
We got one more segment with Dan, then he's got to go boo.
Stay forever.
Now he's got to get out of here and go to an event.
But when we come back, we're going to be using
Crawford's having an event at Marquette University
Law
School today.
That's right.
I'm going to go check that out.
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We were talking about political asthma and we're getting, you know, all.
Getting all worked
up open our feels about that.
We're gonna switch gears right now We're gonna talk about hooray for Hollywood this Sunday is the 97th Oscars, I believe about that.
Yeah.
Wow, that's old and I won't lie damn I will not lie at all I don't really have that big of an interest in what's going on with the Oscars this year the movie some of them I've seen some of them I haven't that's nothing new for me.
Yeah,
I think I've seen
one
I think if the ones now, I think I saw Dune too.
Yeah.
That was it.
If Timothée Chalamet
wins.
Great.
If, you know, I don't want to see that one.
If Edward Norton wins for his role.
Great.
Kudos to them.
Yeah.
But what we're really talking about is the most important thing, Dan.
That's right.
Is the host of said Oscars, Mr. Conan Coco O'Brien,
the legend Conan O'Brien,
the
The, if Mount Rushmore had five faces, I'd put Conan on all five faces.
10 out of five stars for Conan.
He is one of my, my favorite people in comedy.
One of the most important figures and he's going to, is the recipient of this year's Mark Twain prize for American
deserving.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Way overdue, but he's coming into the fold and he's taking control.
How do you feel about that?
I'm so excited.
Yeah.
Conan's my guy.
Yeah.
I mean,
I think it is, I wonder if it is, you know, a certain generational thing
where
if you grow up at a certain time, like, like the Conan late night when I was up past my bedtime, when I was in high school, sneaking away to watch Conan, like that was the best.
New York Conan?
New York Conan.
Yeah,
absolutely.
In so many ways, informed my comedic sensibilities and my world comedic worldview
and
all of that.
And just like the way he, it will be kind of this, like he'll have this kind of intellectual energy to it, but then complete absurdity.
And that is exactly my sweet
spot for comedy.
Like to me, Conan is the kind of guy who will come out and recite like.
the lines of some of the greatest movies ever, but he'll be wearing a diaper and everyone will love it.
Cause you're like, that makes sense.
Cause it's coded.
There's the, the spectrum of, of influence from him is everywhere.
He comes from the most, he comes from the most, you know, kind of like comedial art day from, from hundreds of years ago to just maybe like a popcorn commercial that caught his fancy.
If it's funny, it works.
And he likes it.
And, and that's sort of open-mindedness.
is not just in his comedy, but who he is as a person and how he interacts with people, whether it's him interviewing on his podcast or just interacting with people.
His assistant says that she has to pull him off of people all the time when he needs to be somewhere, cause he just wants to talk.
And that kind of good, fun, sweet.
energy and that like, you know, that real like humane sense of being, he's got like this big hearted.
Yes.
Yeah.
Being in a room of so many egos.
Yeah.
It's that thing of like, I want to see how many celebrities will want to laugh at what he says, but we'll feel like, well, I can't laugh at that.
Yeah.
Well, and he will take somebody down, but he's not in a way that's mean spirited either.
You know,
he will take him.
He will take someone down, but before they fall on the ground, he'll fall under them because that's right.
He is always
the butt of the joke.
And I think that he is going to bring a lightness to the Oscars that is going to be very fun.
And I feel, I'd say right now, today I make the claim.
If he does a good job, he's going to be like a Billy Crystal or a Steve Martin or a Bob Hope where he's coming back because he's just reliable, he's fun, relatable.
Nobody dislikes Conan.
I'm sorry.
If you dislike Conan, there's something wrong with you.
Yeah.
And right now he's got, I think my favorite podcast right now too.
And just, you know, there's so many things that he did.
And the show that he did on HBO, the travel stuff that he does is just absolutely hysterical.
I'm so excited for him to have this opportunity to host this.
Like, you know, you go back to, I'm thinking like my two favorite comedians, late night hosts, whatever it is, are Conan O'Brien and John Stewart.
Those are the pillars of my favorites growing up.
Growing up and watching Conan late at night or watching The Daily Show every night, that was formative, central type of stuff for me.
And that's how I feel too, watching those.
Listen to my older cousins talk about the early days of Letterman, which I was too little to hear.
but we got that with Conan when he took over that slot.
Cause it was just as absurd, just as weird, but had a little more heart too.
It was a little, he was Letterman's and he's nice now, but he wasn't
always a
nice guy.
Cause Sandra on the live stream says, I love Conan.
It's so wonderful to see him and have success after he got the shaft from NBC and Leno.
Yep.
That's a whole other story to talk about for hours.
But yes, this Sunday we're going to be tuned in.
in moments or I might catch him on the, like the replays.
I don't know if I want to watch all 90 hours of it, but I cannot wait for Mr. Conan O'Brien to dominate the Oscars.
I'm sure I'm so excited.
Like the opening monologue.
Oh my gosh.
Yes.
It's
just, it's just going to be
absolutely appointment feeling.
Yes.
And he takes it seriously.
He takes this so, so seriously.
So, you know, every joke that's picked is the shining gem.
That's going to be the best joke there is because he will, he will give you nothing less.
So,
We'll maybe talk about this on Monday from
a comedian standpoint Greg is he just like So high above everybody else like kind of formative for every comedian of his generation
I think so.
Yeah, even for stand-ups to like the stand-ups adore him so much and he doors stand up So yeah, we'll probably talk about this on Monday.
We'll know what you think about this But we're looking forward to the Oscars this this this Sunday coming up Dan.
Thank you so much for being here.
Appreciate you recombobulating with us as always enjoy the event with just judge Crawford
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