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We're going to talk about whether or not you read.
Do you read?
Do you read books?
Do you read articles or do you get your information some other way?
The Atlantic has a big article about Americans are not reading.
Some of us are bookstore.
Big bookstore still exists, but we'll kick that around and then we will wrap it up as we always do with this shouldn't be a thing.
Today it is the Royal Flush Edition.
courtesy of Greg Bach, who found that Tiz Bach, Tiz Bant, as we like to call them.
Right now, though, we are joined by Dr. Kristin Lierly.
She is our Chief Morale Officer here at Civic Media, and we're going to talk about something tragically that's very serious and is having ramifications around the country since Roe was overturned.
This is from an article in ProPublica.
And the headline reads, Texas banned abortion, then sepsis rates soared.
Pregnancy got far more dangerous in Texas after the state banned abortion in 2021.
The rate of sepsis shot up more than 50% for women hospitalized when they lost a pregnancy in the second trimester.
Dr. Lierly, explain to us first of all, what is sepsis?
Sepsis is an infection.
that's very serious and difficult to treat.
And it can cause lifelong injury, it can cause organ damage, and it can cause death.
And for that reason, when someone's water breaks early in pregnancy, before viability, before the fetus can survive, the general guidelines based on evidence and experience are that we offer our patients a broad
number of options, but one of them is termination of pregnancy.
And the goal is to save the woman's life.
But what we've seen in Texas, and remember, Texas is the canary in the coal mine because they had abortion laws before row fell.
So what we see in Texas is what we expect to see in other places.
And what we're seeing in Texas is that when this happens to women, doctors are not able to offer them this option.
They have to wait.
until the fetal heart stops beating, or until the woman starts to show signs that she's becoming critically ill.
And that is, from a physician's perspective, from a human perspective, that is unbelievable, unforgivable.
Only women would be treated this way.
I'm sorry, but only women would be treated with this attitude of, I don't know, you're not close enough to death yet.
So we can't treat you.
You need to be closer to death before we can give you the life-saving treatment that you need.
A man would never be in this position in whether or not it's reproductively involved or not.
This would never happen.
To a man.
I can't I can't think of a situation where a man would be involved And you know, this is so striking and it's so devastating.
You may have heard of the story of Amanda Zyrowski Amanda is a woman from texas from austin who this happened to her and this was she had a desired pregnancy a deeply desired pregnancy that she lost and she almost died as a result of that She's been very outspoken.
She's actually one of times time magazines women of the
She's coming to Wisconsin to tell her
story
actually in March yeah in the middle of next month but here in Wisconsin there are plenty of these stories and I have the honor as a physician and an advocate of getting to know some of these women you know I've treated many women who have been in this situation and some of these women are
so courageous to step up and share their stories.
One of them is with us today.
Her name is Laurel.
She's from southeastern Wisconsin.
Laurel, tell us about what happened to you and how you've been able to cope with it.
Well, first of all, I just want to say hi, everybody.
Thank you for having me.
Thank you for joining us.
It's
really wonderful to be with you.
I'm a little nervous, but
you're just talking to us.
You're just talking to us.
It's all good.
Okay.
So, um, yeah.
So as you alluded to, I am one of those women, um, in the fall of 2022.
I became pregnant and in the first trimester of that pregnancy, I was diagnosed with a blood clot in my uterus that caused me to bleed vaginally for weeks.
And initially with that diagnosis, doctors were confident that the blood clot would actually end up resolving itself eventually, but unfortunately that didn't end up happening and something really bad ended up happening because around between week 20 and 21,
The blood clot caused my water to break too soon.
It caused it to break early.
And then it also caused something called a placental abruption.
And for those who don't know what that is, it's when the placenta tears away from the wall of the uterus.
And this can be a life-threatening condition.
So my doctors basically told me that my labor needed to be induced in order for my life to be saved.
at that time,
and
that is considered to be an abortion.
And at that time, the law in Wisconsin stated, well, basically we were at the time under a near total abortion band, but the law did state that in the case of the life of the mother, when the life of the mother is threatened and abortion is warranted, but there were hurdles, legal hurdles that...
I and we had to jump through first.
For example, in order for me to receive the care I needed and for my labor to be induced, I had to undergo two different evaluations.
So I had to be evaluated by a doctor initially, and they had to confirm my condition and I had to have an ultrasound.
And then my condition had to be confirmed by a second doctor with a second ultrasound and confirmed again.
and I ended up waiting a substantial amount of time in order to, throughout that entire process, I ended up having to wait.
I can't really, I still to this day, I'm not really sure why I had to wait, but I believe the water broke and I had the placental abruption at around 6 p.m.
at night and I wasn't induced until the following day late afternoon.
So,
I had to sit there and I was bleeding.
And as Kristen and I have talked extensively about this and as I've told her, I had already been bleeding for weeks because I had been bleeding vaginally.
Then I had the placental abruption and I was bleeding internally and bleeding vaginally as well.
So I was just sitting there and I was bleeding and bleeding.
And then a key component of my story is that
my baby, my daughter, she was still alive.
She was still alive and healthy because she wasn't the issue.
It was the anatomy surrounding her with the placenta and the blood clot.
So once my labor was induced, my daughter was actually born alive.
And she died in my arms two hours after birth.
Oh, Laurel, I am just heartbroken for you.
I am so, so sorry that you had to go through
what you went through to get the care that you needed.
Dr. Lierly, was there any reason she should have had to wait?
Is there any reason she should have had to go on to two separate doctors to perform the same examinations in order to get the care that she needed to save her life?
No, and in fact, this is sadly not an uncommon situation.
I've dealt with this in the little rural hospital where I work.
Actually, I dealt with it recently within the last month.
This is a common thing and we know how to diagnose it.
We know how to treat it.
We know how to counsel our patients.
So this delay was completely unnecessary.
But the one thing Laurel didn't tell you and I'll leave this to her is her memory.
of those two hours that she got to spend with her baby.
Laurel, tell us.
Yeah, so by the time my labor was induced and I was able to be with my daughter, I was so sick at that point that I don't have much recollection of her life within those two hours and my time with her.
And something that I've talked to Kristen about extensively is that
something that was really important to me is that I knew that she was gonna die once I gave birth.
And so it was important to me that she was baptized before she passed away.
And I have no recollection of that baptism at all.
I'm not surprised.
First of all, because of the physical state that you were in, but I can't even imagine your emotional state and knowing while you're waiting for the treatment that you need in order to stay alive,
the agony that you must have been in.
I can't even imagine that, Laurel.
Yeah, I mean, it was absolutely terrifying, absolutely devastating, and something that was really devastating for me as I was sitting there waiting, bleeding.
I could feel my baby moving in my stomach knowing that I was going to have to give birth to her and watch her die and I had to wait and having that extended out was just added trauma.
And you know what we can do and what we should do in these situations and what we do do in states that don't have abortion bans is we surround people like Laurel and her family with support, with information, with love so that they can get through this traumatic time in their lives in the best possible way.
And what abortion bans cause in addition to harming people and putting people's lives at risk is they take that experience away from you and they cause permanent emotional trauma.
Families
are
ripped apart by this.
Yes, for certain.
The PTSD I dealt with for months and months afterwards was absolutely unimaginable.
It was so bad mentally that I almost considered hospitalization at one point because I just couldn't function.
Afterwards, it was so bad.
We're going to continue our conversation with Dr. Kristin Lierly and Laurel, who is brave enough to share her very painful story with us.
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Dr. Kristin Lierly is our guest along with Laurel who has been and I think you're so brave Laurel to come out and talk about your experience because I can only imagine
some of the blowback and the hatred you're getting from folks.
And if you're just joining us, Dr. Lierly, can you explain what happened with Laurel briefly?
Yeah, Laurel's water broke early in her pregnancy before the baby could survive and She had an unnecessary delay in her care That led to some serious complications down the road and she was unable to spend a satisfying her daughter had lived for two hours and she was unable to appreciate that time with her because she was so sick
and I think it's important to point out as well that if Laurel had been in Texas she probably would have died
Yes,
right?
Absolutely.
I
mean, we can talk stats all day long.
You know, we can say in Texas, the sepsis rate has increased 50%.
There's another Texas study that shows that it's tripled.
So there's even more data out there.
Texas is not examining the maternal deaths for the last couple of years.
That's another thing.
Yeah, let's pretend it's not there.
Let's just pretend it's not there.
We won't look at it and then it doesn't exist.
Right, but realistically, these aren't just numbers.
The data is compelling and it's important, but these aren't just numbers, are they, Laurel?
No, they're not just numbers.
They're real people.
And as I was explaining to Kristen earlier, I think there's
a large public misconception when people see women like myself coming forward they see us in the media and they think that we're liars they think that we're like paid actors or we're just we're people who
This didn't really happen to her.
We're just being told what to say.
And that's not true.
We're real people with real stories.
And when you see an ad on TV and you see a woman pleading to you, it's a woman who actually did go through this type of trauma.
And she really, truly is pleading to you because she doesn't want this to happen to herself or anyone ever again.
And I think part of the problem is you don't fit the narrative.
You don't fit the narrative that many would like in that it's some irresponsible woman who is using abortion as a method of birth control.
No, you actually had like many, many, many other women.
You had a wanted pregnancy that went wrong and you needed specific medical care so you could live.
That's what we're talking about.
Yes, absolutely.
I mean, this...
My daughter was so so loved.
I mean She was everything to me everything to my husband and I and And everything we went through in terms of waiting.
It was completely unnecessary
We have a comment on a live stream from Rob who says my thoughts and prayers for you Laurel I'm so very sorry about this I will be praying for you always and we're getting a bunch of comments as well on the text line with people who are just
outraged by this.
And we should be outraged by this.
And Dr. Lierly, I think you pointed out something really important.
What's happening in Texas is the canary in the coal mine for what they want to see instituted across the country, including here in Wisconsin, where women who were in Laurel's position don't have the option of getting the health care that they need.
So not only tragically, does the wanted child die, but mom dies too.
Well, let's be clear.
This is still happening in Wisconsin.
The 1849 criminal abortion ban that prevented Laurel from getting timely care, the kind of care that would allow her to spend that time most two hours with her daughter, that ban is with the Supreme Court right now.
It's on hold.
We're performing abortion care in some hospitals, but in most hospitals we're not.
So there are many, many women across the state who are not getting the care that they need.
And not only is this resulting in worse health care outcomes, but it is causing, as Laurel mentioned earlier, mental health problems, PTSD, and problems within our families and our communities that radiate far beyond just what's happening.
to the one woman who is dealing with the physical crisis.
It's so infuriating.
It's just infuriating.
And I think it's really important that people, when we go to the polls on April 1st, to vote for a Supreme Court justice, which of the two people who are running for Supreme Court are going to protect women?
There is one candidate who will, the other one, not so much.
Well, let's be clear.
I mean, Brad Schimmel has been very outspoken about his support for the 1849 criminal abortion ban.
I mean, and repeatedly he has voiced support for it.
He was part of the effort to bring down Roe, and it's not just abortion.
It is healthcare in general.
He was the guy as the attorney general who led the charge to dismantle the Affordable Care Act.
This guy doesn't want you to get healthcare at all.
I'm curious, I know we're both just like, what kind of reaction have you gotten, Laurel?
I'm curious, are people accusing you of being a liar and making this whole thing up and that what you're getting paid by George Soros or somebody?
Yes, I think that that is a common reaction and it's been a common reaction for me.
The other day I saw a few comments about how I was a lying pig.
It doesn't really faze me because I keep true to myself and I know exactly what I'm fighting for, but it's unfortunate and unnecessary.
Ignore the hate.
We're just like a gas.
But it is.
I want to get a rock and hit myself in the head.
Don't do that, Jane.
But we shouldn't be here.
We should not be here and yet we are.
That's why it's so important, Laurel, for people like you to have the bravery and the courage to step up and talk about this.
This is the reality.
This is what's happening.
There's one side that doesn't want you to know that this is what's going on on the ground across our country.
This is real, Laurel.
Until it happens to them, Jane, until it happens to them.
Absolutely.
Laurel and Dr. Kristen Lyrely, thank you so very, very much for your time.
Love to have you back.
Hopefully, under better circumstances, stay strong.
Thank you.
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If you ever find a tisbat, as we like to call them, send it into Jane Says.
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Do you enjoy reading or is it a chore?
Yeah.
I think there's a lot of division for some folks, but there's a big article in the Atlantic magazine with a headline that reads and Rose Horowitz has the byline, the elite college students who can't read books.
To read a book in college, it helps to have read a book in high school.
This article essentially talks about the earlier we can get kids interested in books.
Yeah, that will stay with them and that is has certainly been my case My parents were big book pushers.
They were they were they were big book pushers.
Yeah, and I can remember like it was yesterday Probably when I was in kindergarten they got me the entire set of dr. Seuss books,
okay?
And I can remember it coming to the house.
And which deliveries were a big deal back in the 60s.
Back then, you had to wait six to eight weeks for a delivery.
Well,
they were on horses.
Dr. Seuss just got done writing it.
Exactly.
He was like, send it to the matinee
house.
Yeah.
But that was a thrill.
Yeah.
And reading a new book.
And then my mom would take me to the library once a week.
And I got to take out three books.
That's so cool.
And I would look forward to that more, so much.
And I credit my mother for instilling in me this love for books.
It saved my life in a lot of different ways.
And it took me around the world more than once.
Do you read or do you get your information some other way?
Now, you are not a big reader.
No, I'm a tall reader.
Tall.
But that's something I thought about when we were talking about this before the show.
I realized that...
It took me way too long to figure this out.
Reading is a skill.
It's a learned skill.
It is a skill.
I think your story is the perfect example of teaching a child the skill and then the love for reading where, for me, reading is a very daunting task.
And it's embarrassing too.
But you're not alone.
I think there's a lot of folks who are like you.
Exactly.
And you don't know that until recently when people really are...
Saying it out loud because because there are so many avenues of reading like what are you an audiobook person?
Are you an e-book person?
Do you want that physical book in your hand right?
For me audiobook is the best way for me to read a book.
I love it.
I listen to it on the car rides It's it's perfect for me, especially with my drive to Milwaukee every single weekend, but it is very
Very difficult for me to read and it and that is a thing that was very hard for me to say because I didn't think anyone else had a problem reading and I thought everyone else read.
I thought everyone was like you.
Everyone just like my sister can take down a book in like a day and a half.
I could probably if you gave each of us a 500 page book, she could probably have it done by the next day.
I would be somewhere around, I don't know, 40, 50 pages in.
by the next day.
It would be a long slog.
And not enjoyable.
Not enjoyable.
I don't comprehend the information.
And then I get frustrated.
I put it down.
I fall asleep while reading.
So for me, it was just something I was like, I don't do that.
Every book in high school was, oh my God, it was such a chore.
It was such a... And that's when reading becomes punishment.
Yes, exactly.
And you're hardly ever reading a book that...
Like, ooh, the Scarlet Ladder.
I'm 17-year-old boy.
Who doesn't want to read Nathaniel Hawthorne?
Yeah, let's read the old man in the CD.
Yeah, of mice and men.
What a page turner, you know?
Well, and I think that that is so important that if you want to instill that love of reading early, you let them read about what they want to read about instead of forcing this classic on them.
You
can force it on them later.
But if you want them to learn to love to read,
you need to let them read about things that interest kids.
I think if you teach the child the skill of reading, that when the time comes in high school for them to read those classics, reading and comprehending those classics and reporting upon them for their assignments is easier.
Oh my God, Jane, the amount of reports that never got done for me in middle school and high school because I just didn't read them.
I read Ethan From in a night and I still can't tell you what it's about because I just had to be able to write a two page paper.
because I had left it to the last minute because reading it was so anxiety-filled for me that it was just like, I can't do this.
And I can sympathize with that amount of anxiety.
I absolutely can.
That's how I felt about word problems and math.
Calvin, you're our reader.
You're both ferocious readers.
Yeah.
I've gone through spells in my life.
I was a voracious reader when I was in elementary school, and then I didn't really read too much in high school until I read Game of Thrones as my entry into adult fiction, the summer before my senior year.
And then I didn't read again until I read Dune right before the movie came out.
Oh, wow.
But now what I got to say is a big book.
But since then, yeah, I've been reading a lot.
Confession, I actually only read five books last year, but I've already finished nine this year.
Yeah, so I'm making up
for it.
You're in good shape.
Eight five five.
I only read five books last year.
Seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two.
Do you read?
Do you enjoy reading or do you get your information some other way?
There's no right or wrong answer here.
Yeah, there's no judgment here whatsoever.
No judgment, not trying to shame anybody.
But I will say this, reading in headline.
doesn't constitute being informed.
Beverly from Richland Center is on the line.
I see everybody on the line.
Thank you so much.
We will get you in order here.
Beverly, go ahead.
Thank you for joining us.
Well, as it happens, Jane, I'm on my way to the bookstore right now.
Good for you.
There you go.
And read my book and have a latte.
There you go.
It's my favorite pastime now.
How did you start out reading, Beverly?
Do you remember?
Well, in high school,
I was a mediocre student and really had to keep my nose in my textbooks in order to in order to do well.
So I didn't do hardly any reading outside of that.
And then I started teaching and I didn't have time to do anything besides prepare classes.
And then one day I realized I came home and I didn't have any papers to grade and I didn't have any lessons to plan.
And I didn't know what to do, so I walked over to the bookstore.
And I put myself on a schedule of reading 40 books a year.
Wow.
Jeez, Beverly.
All right.
All right.
Wow.
OK.
Wow.
I'm curious, Beverly, and then I want to move on.
Just because we have so many callers lined up.
If you are two chapters into a book and you don't like it, do you force yourself to finish it?
Good for you.
See, I don't either.
I used to feel like I had to finish the book, like it was some reading punishment, and there's that too.
It's reading as punishment then.
Thank you so much, Beverly.
Really appreciate
it.
I got halfway through American Psycho, and I just, I wanted to throw the book out of the window.
Done.
It was terrible.
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Sherry from Horikon.
Good morning, Sherry.
Oh, hi, Sherry.
Are you a reader?
Hi guys.
Yes, I am a very avid reader.
Right now I am reading five books.
Wow.
Was it just
show off today?
My daughter is a very avid reader also.
And my son hates to read.
My dad was a professor of biology.
Oh, wow.
I grew up looking everything up on the encyclopedia.
So everything, you know, 65 this year.
So the same age as you, James.
That's
right.
We're
just, we're, we're in our prime, girl.
If prime is on the older end of prime.
Well, the way, the way it looks like you're, we live into like 130.
So, you
know, thank you, Sherry.
Really appreciate that.
Brian from Milwaukee texting in, I hate reading.
I get very tired any time I read.
I will only read something to learn, but I will buy the book in print and.
so I can absorb the material.
I'm a visual and audio learner.
Brian from Milwaukee, that makes a lot of sense, Brian.
Because again, not everybody, it's just not everybody's thing.
And Pat, I cannot remember her name, but she said that she deals with books and independent book shops.
Audio books are reading.
No one tell you differently.
It's not less than it's the same information.
You're just taking in it's
a
different
it's a different avenue It's a different avenue Chris Casper in Madison.
It's just like anything else reading takes practice I'd compare it to learning how to play guitar.
It is daunting at the beginning But you got to get in the woodshed and chop some wood.
There you go.
All right Matt from Middleton the cell phone and video shorts like tiktok
have killed reading because you need an attention span that can go past three minutes.
I don't disagree with you, Matt.
I really don't.
We have the attention span of a flea.
Well, I think it doesn't help people who have a hard time reading.
Individuals who read ferociously can still, I think it doesn't harm them, but I think people who don't like reading, this doesn't help.
No.
Ollie from the Northwoods on the line, real quickly, Ollie, thank you so much for joining us.
Are you a reader or no?
I am definitely a reader and I think that to my parents, who like yours, encouraged us.
My parents, even though they didn't have much money, bought the Encyclopedia Britannica and Esau's Fable.
Oh, nice.
All sorts of things when we lived in...
Germany at the time, and they made payments on those, so they were important.
And there never was a time when our mother wasn't reading.
And if we said we're bored, she'd say, get a book.
And I bet your mother said the same thing that mine did, because we also had encyclopedias.
If I ever asked her a question, it was go look it up.
And I still do that today.
Go look it up.
Thank you,
Ollie.
John from Milwaukee, quickly.
And then, Mark, we're hoping to get you too.
Thank you for joining us, John.
Are you a reader or no?
I am now.
I like the gentleman.
I did read when I was younger.
I hated it.
I was bored.
In fact, by the time I was 30, I had one book I read, and that was the Box Card Kids.
And then I was in the airport with my boss, and he said, don't you have a book to read on the plane?
And I said, no.
And he goes, I'm not going to talk to you the
whole
time.
Yeah, he took me to the bookstore and he looked at books and he goes, here, let's buy this one.
And it was Kujo.
Oh, great book.
And I read Kujo on my trip, finished it.
I was so infatuated with reading that I've read countless books ever since my boss gave me that exam.
That is
so cool, John.
And what that tells me, again, is if you find the right book, if you find the right topic that will
grab you.
That's that's the entryway.
That's the entry into reading.
I think that's the other problem.
Thank you so much, John, for sharing that.
I think that's the other problem, too, is I think a lot of people think they have to, well, I should read Little Women.
No,
no,
no.
Just read a sports biography if you want to.
Whatever you want to.
Whatever, whatever makes you happy, whatever interests you, that that still constitutes reading.
Thank you, everybody, for checking in.
I'm sorry, we didn't have the opportunity to get to everyone.
Really appreciate it.
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That means it is time for.
This
shouldn't be a thing.
As always if you have a thing you think should not be send it into Greg and me at Jane says at civicmedia.us This from the Associated Press headline reads Prosecutors says golden toilet was stolen from English Palace in audacious raid Not your typical smash-and-grab burglary Greg Bach.
Oh
booty was precious a toilet worth more than its weight in gold
The one-of-a-kind 18-carat gold toilet was stolen in under five minutes from Blenheim Palace, an English country manor where Winston Churchill was born in the early hours of September 14th of 2019.
This
case
is just coming to trial now.
Winston Churchill was born in 2019.
Oh,
sorry, I heard that wrong.
The theft
happened in 2019.
The attorney called this an audacious raid.
One of the three men on trial in the case of the stolen potty was involved in stealing it.
The other two helped to sell it.
The toilet has never been recovered.
They think they cut it up and sold it.
The golden toilet, a piece of art, titled America.
was intended to poke fun at excessive wealth.
It weighed just over 215 pounds.
It was insured for $6 million at the time it was made.
It was worth $3.5 million.
This golden loo had previously been on display at the Guggenheim Museum in New York.
And now it's gone.
One of the defendants says he cased the palace twice
in the weeks leading up to the theft, once before it went on display at Blenheim Palace, and then up close and personal once it was fully functional as an exhibit.
He took pictures of the window that was later used to smash into the palace.
There is no doubt he was carrying out reconnaissance for the burglary that took place later that night.
Two stolen vehicles, they pulled up to the front steps, smashed through the window, made quick work of breaking down the toilet.
Removing it from the plumbing and leaving water gushing from the pipes.
First rule is when you get a mess with the toilet folks, you gotta listen, you gotta turn the water off.
Turn the water off.
That's just a rookie mistake.
All the defendants at this point have pleaded not guilty, but it does look like they have some video footage, which is not going to work in their favor.
Oh, I love this story so much from start to finish.
This is just the, mm.
Thank you.
A golden toilets.
Thank you England.
Titled
America.
Oh, that's even better.
I mean, and if people like, Oh, dear, let's check the bedroom of the current president is a place in New York.
Let's see what he's popping a squad on that wraps up today's edition of
This shouldn't be a thing.
Coming up on the show tomorrow, very excited about this guest that I stumbled across on
TikTok.
Yes.
Will Westmoreland is a farmer in southwestern Missouri, and he was responding to a younger farmer who was worried about losing his farm now that the Trump administration has frozen a whole bunch of money or thinks he has already invested in.
Will Westmoreland has a really interesting explanation.
on why we are where we are right now.
Again, Will Westmoreland, a farmer from southwestern Missouri going to join us tomorrow at 1030.
Do
you know who we just talked to recently?
Mr. Global.
Mr. Global, the circle of friendship gets smaller and smaller.
Hour number two tomorrow, Beckham Unique will be here from the National Wildlife Federation and we're going to talk about, yes, more ramifications of
the Trump administration on conservation efforts.
That's all on the way tomorrow.
We have news coming up next, followed by Todd Albinoon to two, Maggie Dawn, two to four.
Dom Salvia takes over.
from four to six, and then Pete Schwabba, six to eight PM, Up North News Radio, Civic Media Mornings, tomorrow morning.
Chad Holmes is just sitting there.
Chad Holmes is filling
in.
And then Earl Ingram right before us from eight to 10.
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