Tariffs: The Waiting Game (Hour 2)

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Tariffs: The Waiting Game (Hour 2)

Matenaer on Air · Tue Feb 18, 2025

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Jane Matenaer

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Right now we are joined by James Vanderloo who is the head of the Milwaukee

branch of OEC group.

He's back again.

Thank you so much, James, for being willing to come back on the show.

Hey, Jane, Greg and Calvin.

Good morning.

Yeah, I don't want to be the the negatives, the negative grim reaper of terrorists every time.

So I'm glad you guys are talking about some lighter things when I get off speaking with you all.

But no, definitely glad to be back.

Thanks so much for having me on.

Jane Matenaer

It's so important that folks understand.

tariffs.

And I have been criticized for being elitist and condescending for having people on to explain how tariffs work.

And my excuse is I didn't understand how tariffs worked, which is why we have experts on to explain the things that we do not understand.

So I think the message James is finally getting through that tariffs are a tax on the consumer.

Or are we not there yet?

We're definitely, I think we're definitely getting there.

The voices that were sort of in opposed to that have been pretty much silenced.

I think in the last few weeks, it's sort of everyone's agreeing that I think even within the current administration that yeah, there's going to be some pain points.

There's going to be higher prices.

Now, whether how long this is going to last or what the temporary fixes, I think is the big thing to debate right now.

But yeah, it is going to cost people more money if any of these tariffs kind of go through.

And not only that, but the additional costs that go along with just kind of having this chaotic market conditions, those are things that don't really get talked about in the addition of price increases.

Greg Bach

Is there, so we hear when it comes to tariffs, we hear 25%, we've heard 100%, we've heard a thousand, we've heard all these numbers coming out of the current administration.

Is there, when people hear just regular talk about tariffs on the products we get from overseas, is there an average number that people should have in their mind where then they hear 25% they can go, good, that's a lot.

Or is it, I mean, is it just such a fluctuation that there's not really an average to remember?

It's a really good question.

I think you see in a lot of cases, it's tariffs are not something that we've historically used.

A lot of times other countries do use tariffs upon us.

A 10% tariff will typically raise the price of your goods anywhere from like five to 10%.

Typically what happens is even when a company receives that tariff, they don't normally increase it.

like one-to-one in terms of what they're offering the customer.

Because there's so many other inputs, because there's so many other factors that go into the pricing of it.

When you hear things like 25% tariffs, that's in a way a very game-changing.

It also really depends on what the initial tariff was.

If you have something that's already had a 10% tariff, now you're looking at a 35% tariff.

And it jumps up pretty quickly on that.

And then a lot of the customers are reshuffling.

And I think that's really...

based off my conversations and I do have to say I speak with people from all

angles and all political spectrums and things like that for people

Jane Matenaer

who are

importing things.

And really the biggest thing is that it's very, very difficult to plan because really the thing that you tell people is we'll just plan for anything and everything to possibly happen.

And, you know, whatever country you never know, it could be this tomorrow and this today.

When we were sending out notices, because we're trying to stay on top of this as quickly as possible, even within the day, we had to send like three different updates as to sort of the information that's happening in real time.

When you get to that 25% range, I think all companies, regardless of what you're importing from, that's gonna be a significant increase on the cost of goods.

I would say at least probably 10%.

But anything beyond a 25%, then you're talking even more cataclysmic than the other.

10% is going to hurt, but it's in some ways doable.

But again, when that's tied on to China tariffs, which were already up at 25, 30%, now you're looking at like a 40% tariff.

And that obviously hurts people bringing up any goods coming in.

Greg Bach

That's what I wanted to clarify, too, as a follow-up.

What I heard is, if there is a 10% tariff on a widget, if they say, OK, we're going to 25,

percent tariff that then makes it 35% because there's so it goes on these it goes on the existing it just doesn't raise it

Correct.

Yeah.

I mean, there are some cases where there are some exemptions.

There are certain commodities that you can bring in that are exempt from the tariffs, but in almost every case, and I will say that we haven't necessarily been given a comprehensive data or a list of what applies just to very casting a wide net over these things.

Color me shots, James.

In most cases, yeah, it just gets added on to whatever tariff is already imposed upon it.

Jane Matenaer

If you're just joining us, James Vanderloo is our guest.

He heads up the Milwaukee branch of the OEC group.

James, for people who don't know what OEC does, can you explain that and why it is you are so familiar with the subject of tariffs?

Sure.

So we do anything international shipping.

So I mean, you know, historically, it's been a lot of importing, but we do do a lot of exporting deal with local manufacturers on how to be compliant, bring things, you know, making sure we're bringing in things appropriately, making sure we're working with all the government institutions to make sure that our our importers and exporters are kind of working with, you know, within the global landscape.

So yeah, we've had to stay on top of this, you know,

just because it's a job hazard.

And it's kind of one of those things that everyone's going to be asking about.

And really, if you kind of don't comply with it, the complications can be very severe.

You hear everything.

It changes every day, but what we don't realize is that these have very dire consequences for businesses who are looking to grow exports.

There's a huge manufacturing base here in Wisconsin, and I know that a lot of them are looking at where can we grow to?

What other markets can we go into?

And I know that this is kind of like putting a hindrance on some of their planning going forward.

Jane Matenaer

Businesses love uncertainty.

He

caught that right.

Yeah, no, that's the biggest thing.

And again, I wish we knew maybe a little bit more.

I've heard this say that maybe this is just a tactic to work on trade agreements.

Who knows?

Again, at the end of the day, the markets haven't really had time to absorb it.

So you're not really seeing it affect stock markets necessarily.

There is a percentage of the stock market that deals with consumer confidence and how people are feeling.

And I think that uncertainty is probably going to negative effect it here in the short term.

But until we have a three to six month issuance of those tariffs and how

they interact.

We don't we won't really see the economic impact for some time.

Jane Matenaer

If one of the times that you were on before, you explained how is again, it seems like Trump's idea behind these tariffs is to bring manufacturing back to this country.

We shouldn't have to import anything from anybody else.

We should be able to do it all here, which is great in theory.

But this takes years to do.

It's not like we stop

importing something from China or Mexico or Canada.

And the next day, a supplier in the US is set up to handle that.

That's not how it works, is it?

No, not at all.

A lot of these things will take, you know, probably at least 10 years.

Some of the stuff that you could do that maybe doesn't maybe takes three to four years is like maybe like lithium refining and different things like that.

But then you have to ask yourself, like, is that an industry that we want here?

It's a very messy.

It's a lot of these things are very messy and can be dirty jobs.

Not that they're not.

you know, not that they're not valuable jobs, but it's like, if someone else is willing to take this on and we're able to trade them, you know, at a specific rate that works from a business standpoint, is that something that we want to do?

So it's, you know, a lot of manufacturing coming back would be good, but do we want all of it?

And what kind of specific ones can be accomplished within that small period of time?

That does a lot.

And I know a lot of the things were tied to like the decrease of like

possibly income tax and then the increase of tariffs but doesn't really make too much sense to me because if you're if the goal is to increase tariffs and therefore increase or increase the amount of manufacturing and therefore decrease the amount of tariffs at some point that doesn't pay for itself and you have to bring taxing back into the into the mix because Then you don't have as many tariffs coming in.

So Again, I don't I don't really know how the math works out.

It's it's definitely a troubling thing But yeah, even if we wanted to bring back manufacturing

Even with the past tariffs, we didn't see that huge of an increase of many fraction moving back overseas.

Jane Matenaer

And aren't there things that we simply cannot make?

I mean, there are minerals that we get from other countries we don't have.

And

Jane Matenaer

that was one

of the things that happened.

So China instituted a 15% retaliatory tax on our crude oil, coal, and things like that.

And they are one of the largest importers.

They're looking at places like Canada now.

And actually, one of the other parts of that is the export control.

So they've stopped letting out certain rare earth minerals, stopped exporting those kind of things.

So yeah, they're definitely going to take advantage of the situation.

There's going to be probably some retaliatory talks.

Right now, we're already seeing tourism from Canada go down as a, as a direct result of, of the tariff negotiations.

Well, again, it's these, all these unintended consequences sort of add up and really paint the bigger picture.

And again, we don't really have a, we won't know that until later down the line.

Greg Bach

You know, this is more of a statement and I don't know what your feelings are James on this is.

I don't understand a country that he praises for Xi Jinping in China.

He then makes them suffer with tariffs and they retaliate, right?

But it doesn't... I'm not a smart human being, but this doesn't seem like smart global trade behavior to undercut the country that you're saying, but your leader is so good.

It just doesn't make sense to me.

Well, and yeah, and there's lots of things that they can do as they have a little bit more centralized economy.

They can fluctuate their...

their currency to make it work out better for like the math to work.

And again, we always have to remember it's not the Chinese government that pays the tariff.

It's the companies here in the United States.

So all of those goods that we've grown accustomed to, certain things like that, they're going to increase in price and we can't take that for granted.

Jane Matenaer

We're going to continue our conversation with James Vanderloo, the head of the Milwaukee branch of the OEC group.

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Jane Matenaer

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If you're just joining us, James Vanderloo is our guest.

He heads the Milwaukee branch of the OEC group, and we're talking tariffs and what this is going to mean for all of us going forward.

I found an article, James, just about what Wisconsin exports.

Wisconsin exports exceed $28 billion every year.

Our main categories, machinery, computer and electronic products, transportation equipment, chemicals, processed foods.

Our biggest trading partners, the top three are Canada,

Mexico and China.

And I remember under the last Trump administration, and he did the tariffs again, our farmers, Wisconsin farmers got hit really, really hard, especially our soybean farmers.

Yeah, that's correct.

And there were alternative sources such as Brazil and some of these other countries that tend to, you know, be more cooperative.

So there's a lot more alternatives than there have been in the past.

Additionally,

Wisconsin is known worldwide for its ginseng, which is something that maybe a lot of people don't know about.

It's considered very, very valuable in China.

And you'd have to think that there might be some retaliatory measures against those producers as well.

Similarly, Wisconsin dairy and cheese has really never been more marketable, has never had a higher demand.

And you kind of wonder,

Is that going to be another instance that's hurt?

You're crippling two major industries right there, just kind of off the top of the head.

And it's something that they could easily go after because there are alternative sources, whether or not the quality is as good.

I'll definitely leave up to the other people, but I certainly think we've got some pretty good stuff here.

So

Jane Matenaer

yeah, that's something

that you work out for.

Jane Matenaer

And James, then you also run the risk.

If our farmers find it harder, these markets don't want to take Wisconsin dairy products or Wisconsin soybeans or Wisconsin ginseng and they go to another country to get that.

Why would they come back to us?

They found a different source.

Why should they come back?

And that's a great point.

And then let's say four or five years from now, we have a different regime in charge.

We kind of go back to the things where now we've given them a higher level to negotiate and maybe make it more difficult on the farmers or on the people on the back end of that, even if they were to come back.

So yeah, it's playing a dangerous game.

We don't necessarily understand all the consequences.

And the problem is just.

It's, it's not really focused.

You're just kind of clubbing at anyone and everyone, um, around friend and foe alike.

Um, and so I think that's kind of one of the things where, you know, it makes it difficult to predict what's going on.

And also it makes it easier for there to be a lot of unintended consequences that happen as a result of

Greg Bach

it.

I, we, we, we, we, we have a, we have a caller screening a caller.

We have Cindy from Appleton on the line right now.

Cindy, do you have a question for James?

Well, first of all, I don't think we'll ever have another regime to your point you just made.

But the last time this happened, the administration of the felon gave billions of dollars to the farmers in subsidies to help them, you know, stave off their losses.

So that's what's going to happen again.

And we, the people, will get double whammy with having to pay higher prices and also having to bail out the farmers.

Jane Matenaer

Thank

you,

Jane Matenaer

Cindy.

Appreciate

it.

Yeah, it's a great point.

Again, it goes back to these things that aren't just related to specifically the price of the tariff.

There's all of these additional things.

And yes, subsidizing the farmers was a strategy that we had to use.

And I know I do believe in cases where certain industries in agriculture are affected.

We'll probably have to do the same thing to keep them afloat.

It's not very popular to put your.

your farmers out to pasture like that.

Jane Matenaer

But at the same time, we've talked to enough farmers, they don't like getting handouts.

They don't want help.

They want to run their farms the way they see best and be rewarded for the work that they do.

I just think this runs counter purposes to their own goal and their own satisfaction.

Oh, sure.

I completely agree with you.

there's some great things, you know, you're robbing the people of their integrity of work.

And that's kind of that's another kind of a rough thing.

And I totally agree with you.

I think I think that's the thing is they would much prefer to just farm like normal.

You know, those subsidies are really only used if you have a bad if there's bad crop or you have insurance, you know, if things happen that are sort of outside your control or that kind of happen as a result of some natural event or something like that, not necessarily the policies that are dictated by your your own government that are kind of working.

against you.

So yeah, it's, you know, I definitely always, I'm always thinking with all these tariffs on the small business owner and the farmer.

Those are the people that are going to be at the most risk and have the most, you know, the most issues with with any kind of increasing tariff.

Jane Matenaer

And they have the slimmest margin of survival too.

Correct.

And you're starting to see

layoffs.

You're starting to see other things kind of in the media going forward.

So you hope this just isn't the beginning of the snowball that rolls downhill.

But again, I want to try to have some positive aspect of it.

I do think this opens up.

opportunities for maybe exporters to look at less conventional markets like Africa, a different place like that, and at least kind of look and research and see if there is, you know, maybe there's going to be a more ideal situation in some of these other countries than in the past.

So that's kind of the one good thing, I guess, I could say of

Greg Bach

it, was not

making it too depressing.

Greg Bach

You were nervous about being the scary tariff guy.

We're finding solutions.

We're finding problems to be solved.

It's great stuff, James.

No, I mean, yeah, hey,

it's, you know, all these problems, you know, we'll have to deal with it.

They weren't things that maybe all of us were asking for.

And I think a lot of people are starting to learn more.

about what all this means at the end.

And so, you know, like I said, we have to kind of keep moving, keep our heads up and keep working for our clients and people like here in Wisconsin.

Jane Matenaer

Well, we really appreciate your insight and your expertise and you're willing to join the show and help us wade through this.

I hope you will come back on again.

James Vanderloo is the head of the Milwaukee branch of the OEC group.

James, thank you so very much for your time.

Very much appreciated.

Great speaking with you.

Have a nice rest of your day.

You as well.

News is coming up next and then we'll lighten it up.

Audio Sorbet, what's your favorite movie?

You're embarrassed to admit that you like.

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Greg Bach

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Greg Bach

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Yeah, but it's informative too.

Jane Matenaer

It is informative.

All right, we're going to do a little audio survey segment.

We spend a lot of time talking about very heavy things.

Trust me.

Oh, nice.

I tried so

Greg Bach

hard to get that in.

Jane Matenaer

Nice, Glyce.

Our audio sorbet segment where we look at some lighter things just to take a breath and share a couple of laughs.

So here is today's question for you.

What movie are you embarrassed to admit that you like?

And I think we all have one.

If not two.

Yeah.

What movie are you embarrassed to admit that you like 855?

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What movie are you embarrassed to admit that you like?

Judgment free zone.

Greg Bach

Judgment

Jane Matenaer

for now.

Call

Greg Bach

in.

Judgment for now free zone after we get off the air.

Oh, all the judgment.

Jane Matenaer

Well, you can do that with our picks too, because we all have one.

So we're going to spill our guts.

and share with you the movies that we're embarrassed to admit that we like.

Who wants to go first?

Do you want me to go first?

I want you to go first, Jane.

Okay.

I like Mommy Dearest.

Yeah?

Why would you be embarrassed by that movie?

Because it is among the list of the worst movies ever made.

Really?

I didn't know that.

I didn't

Greg Bach

know that.

Jane Matenaer

Oh, yes.

You can look.

It is Mommy Dearest starring Faye Dunaway.

Yeah.

I want to say it was the late early 90s.

Greg Bach

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Jane Matenaer

Was it earlier than that?

Greg Bach

Yeah, I think I think mommy dearest came out way before then.

Way before that.

Yeah.

Jane Matenaer

Yeah.

But that is a movie that if it's ever on cable, I cannot not watch it.

Yeah.

Just because of Faye Dunaway's makeup.

Oh, yeah.

They did such a good job of turning her into Joan Crawford.

It's kind of creepy.

Greg Bach

So the movie came out in 1981 and I have never seen

the film, but I know the film because you, you hear reference, uh, referenced in, in all sorts of media now, especially for one scene for which I've pulled the clip.

Calvin, can you give us the clip for mommy dearest that everybody knows?

Yeah,

Jane Matenaer

Joan didn't like who she had a thing about hangers man

Greg Bach

Wow that clip is like five minutes long and I was like how much I'm just like now just get sweet to the point get in and get out But yeah, apparently Joanie had a problem where their daughter putting these $200 dresses they were talking about

Jane Matenaer

Yeah,

Greg Bach

yeah, it is a weird but I didn't realize it was considered one of the worst movies I thought it was considered one of the best because people

especially back in the eighties and nineties couldn't shut up about it.

Jane Matenaer

It's there's something that's so camp about it.

I think that's one of the reasons why it is on a list of the worst movies ever made.

So that is my shameful admittance.

If I see a mommy dearest on anything, it's like, oh, yeah, I am so watching that.

Greg Bach

Tom on the live stream says, don't be embarrassed by that.

Mommy dearest was great.

It was it was something.

Yeah, it was something.

It was definitely a movie that happened Calvin.

Do you want to go for yours?

You want me to go?

I can go.

Okay.

Um, I'll lead off with my clip before I reveal the movie.

Okay.

Jane Matenaer

Great.

That was it.

Oh, wow.

This is like name that too, but you get like Bennett.

Well, it was twilight I um To be honest with you, I never really was a fan of the movies, but I read the books When I was probably way too young I begged my mom to let me read them and she did and I enjoyed them They're pretty good For what they are.

I also was again too young to be reading them and my

Threshold of what is a good book probably wasn't as high.

I would think I was in fifth or sixth grade Calvin would you

Greg Bach

read how okay?

How long or how long is a is a twilight book?

How many pages?

Three to four hundred probably would you be willing to read one of them again and just kind of give us a like then and now I

Think there's more trendy things in the genre that I'd be more willing to read but yeah, I guess

I would love to hear I

Greg Bach

love to hear young young Calvin versus older Calvin's take on Twilight.

Jane Matenaer

I think that's a that's perfect.

Yeah, that is that is just perfect.

We would love to hear from you.

What movie are you embarrassed to admit that you liked you can tell us you can tell us we're not going to tell anybody we got Liz.

Oh, go on.

Go ahead.

I was just saying we have to talk

Liz from Sockville, texting and listening on WAUK.

I love the Sex and the City movies and the series.

Yeah, the Sex and the City movies for people who were fans of the series can be very controversial.

Greg Bach

I loved the first Sex and the City movie.

It was wonderful.

The second one, I was so mad I paid money to see it.

I was so angry.

And the person I was dating at the time was like,

Do you want to go now?

I'm like, no, I'm in this.

I've paid.

There might be, there might be some sort of respite

Jane Matenaer

or some

Greg Bach

redemption.

Jane Matenaer

No.

Greg Bach

And even what I love though, is even the people in the movie recognize that the second one sucked.

Jane Matenaer

I'm so glad to hear you say that because I was the same way.

I was angry by the time I got out of

Greg Bach

that movie.

Yeah.

It was just such, it was such a disappointing.

Such a disappointing film.

We got Whistler from Richland Center on the phone right now.

Whistler, what is your, what is a movie that you love that you would be embarrassed to tell people about?

For me, I think it would have to be driving Miss Daisy.

Greg Bach

That's a fine film.

That's a great movie.

You've got good taste in film,

Whistler.

I know.

I know.

It's awesome.

Not many people know that I enjoyed that or the whole hell of a lot.

Greg Bach

Is it one of those movies, Whistler, where you're like, you can't tell your buddies in the garage.

You're like, you know what movie I really like?

Crack open a beer.

I love driving Miss Daisy.

Glug glug glug.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's about right.

Greg Bach

All right.

Well,

Greg Bach

Whistler, we appreciate you coming to us in this, in this judgment free zone.

Don't sue me planet fitness and telling us about.

your favorite movie that you are embarrassed.

I think you

Jane Matenaer

have no reason to be embarrassed about liking driving Miss Daisy Whistler.

That's a great, great film.

But it's like, I can see where some of your guy buddies might be like, but there's no shooting.

There's no guns.

It's a very sweet.

film about a relationship between two people.

Greg Bach

Yeah, yeah, it's wonderful.

So yeah, we're we're behind you, Whistler.

We got you.

Thanks for calling.

Mark from Prairie du Sac is on the line.

Mark, I can't wait.

I cannot wait.

Please tell us what movie that you love that you'd be embarrassed to tell people.

Well, I don't necessarily love it.

I'm supposed to be embarrassed for liking Madame Webb.

I mean, I just don't understand the beef about it.

I mean, that people said, well, it's just horrible.

And I actually enjoyed it.

I mean, I guess my expectations weren't high enough.

And I actually enjoyed the movie.

It wasn't the best of the franchise, but I actually kind of enjoyed it.

Jane Matenaer

Oh, Mark.

No shame in that, Mark.

Don't you dare judge him, Greg Bach.

Mark.

Don't you dare judge him.

This is judgment-free zone.

Mark.

There's no shame.

Greg Bach

No shame.

Mark, all opinions are welcome here in the judgment free zone of what movies that you love that you were embarrassed to say, but he's not embarrassed though.

That's, see, that's the thing.

Mark's not embarrassed.

I can tell him why that movie is terrible from start to finish, but I won't.

Jane Matenaer

For

Greg Bach

those

Jane Matenaer

of us who do not know what is madam web,

Greg Bach

madam web.

Okay.

So I'll make it really quick.

You know the spider man movies and they've rebooted the spider man movies a few times.

There have been three spider mans.

I'm sorry.

Let me be English.

Correct.

Spider-Man.

There have been three Spider-Man and Madame Webb is a movie along with Morbius and Venom that are part of the universe of Spider-Man.

They've made movies.

They've made movies about these characters.

They're all his villains, enemies.

Spider-Man is nowhere near these films.

Spider-Man is not mentioned barely at all in these films.

And they, with the exception of two of the Venom movies, have universal claim of being awful.

Oh, wow.

And there's just a money grab from Sony Pictures who owns the rights to Spider-Man because Marvel makes Spider-Man movies better.

That's just how it goes.

But yeah, they're like, we're going to put out this movie.

And everyone's like, why?

No one asked.

We're like, too bad.

Here it comes.

And everyone hates it.

Calvin, I know you have an opinion.

Well, I actually haven't seen the movie.

But from being chronically online when the movie came out, Dakota Johnson and the press tour leading up to that.

She it was funny, but you almost felt bad for her because she you could tell she hated every part about the movie of being in that movie Yeah,

Greg Bach

yeah, oh man everyone made fun of that movie Sydney Sweeney did that movie just so she could get another a passion project movie done Because she's like she has no interest in that movie.

Yeah Mark I understand if you honestly here's the thing is if you enjoyed it Mazel tov good on you man That's fine There are movies that I like that people don't like as well.

I'm judgment-free, but I but I could sit here and tell you why it's terrible

Jane Matenaer

A couple of comments on the live stream.

I wanted to share before we get to Greg's because we're going to run out of time.

Tom says, Jack and Jill with Adam Sandler.

I love that film.

Cassandra says, yes, all the Twilight movies also from Cassandra at National Treasure.

It's not great on the history, which isn't why I like it.

But, uh, I can't explain why I like it.

You don't have to explain this.

You don't have to.

Greg Bach

You liked it.

No, there's no, you liked it.

You liked it.

That's all we need here at the Judgment Free Zone.

Don't sue us, Planet Fitness area of Matt Nairnair.

Movies you love, but are embarrassed to tell people.

My movie is very simple.

It's The Princess Bride, but it was when I saw it when I was a little boy.

If you're familiar with the movie, there's a little boy who gets a book read to him, which is The Princess Bride, and he doesn't want to hear it because it's full of

Kissing and princesses and all this

Jane Matenaer

is

Greg Bach

a kissing book when my mom rented that movie.

I was like, I don't want to watch this princesses What by the end of it?

I was Fred Savage.

I was friends.

I was like, let's watch it again Can we what and I I pulled a clip from my favorite part of the movie Calvin?

Can you play that?

It's very

short

Marriage, that blessed arrangement, that dream within our dream, then rise.

True love will fire you, fire us.

Skip the end.

Have you the win?

Man and wife, same man and wife.

Man on right.

Jane Matenaer

The Princess Bride, one of the most quotable movies on the planet.

There is not a bad scene in that film.

That is a great, great film.

Just about out of time, when we return, we're going to wrap everything up with this shouldn't be a thing.

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with our friend and colleague, Todd Alba.

Right before we went to the break, we were taking your calls, trying to lighten things up just a little bit about movies you like that you're embarrassed to admit that you like them.

Yeah.

And shared all of ours.

We had some great texts that I wanted to get to before we wrap it up with Tiz Batt.

Matt from Richland Center says he liked Freddie Got Fingered.

Greg Bach

Tom Green classic.

Oh, yeah.

Jane Matenaer

Tom Green.

That's who it was.

I was trying to think of who it was.

The movie I love that everyone hates is Joe versus the volcano.

I love Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan in that flick brain fog.

It cracks me up.

Greg Bach

That one has come back.

People mentioned that one more often now.

I think that qualifies as a cult classic.

Jane Matenaer

Joe in the volcano.

Greg Bach

Yeah.

Jane Matenaer

Don't be ashamed.

Scott from Shorewood says the sister act movies.

Great.

Both of them were great.

Why are we embarrassed?

I thought those were both great movies.

Yeah.

Ross from Crawford County listening on WRCE.

My favorite movie I'm afraid to admit to liking is Pet Detective with Jim Carrey.

I haven't seen it in a while, but that movie still cracks me up.

But it is stupid.

Greg Bach

No judgment here, nor are we disagreeing.

I love that movie too.

I've seen both

Jane Matenaer

of

Greg Bach

them.

Jane Matenaer

I saw them both in the theater.

Oh, that's great.

Terry from Wausau, as good as it gets.

I love that movie with Jack Nicholson and Helen Hunt.

Yep.

Great, great film.

Yeah.

Mark from Prairie du Sac.

The first time I saw The Prince's Bride, I thought, oh, this is okay, but it has grown on me.

It's, it's, it's a great, everyone can watch it.

It's a

Greg Bach

beautiful film.

Jane Matenaer

It's a beautiful film.

Never

Greg Bach

remake it, Hollywood.

Never.

Oh,

Jane Matenaer

please don't ever remake A Prince of the Prince's Bride.

That would be a travesty.

Greg Bach

Yeah.

agreed

Jane Matenaer

it absolutely would all right we're gonna run out of time 1154 Calvin that means it is time for this shouldn't be a thing again if you ever have a thing you think should not be send it into Greg and me at Jane says at civic media dot us this is from oddity central headline reads doctors find five contact lenses lost behind woman's eyeball

A team of Chinese plastic surgeons recently reported the bizarre case of a 33 year old woman who had lost no less than five contact lenses behind her left eye.

Yeah, the initial exam found that the left side of her face was atrophied and her left eyeball was sunken.

After carefully examining her, they decided to do some kind of grafting technique.

What they did not count on was finding not one, but five different contact lenses in the empty space behind her eyeball.

She told doctors she had lost several lenses in the past months, but never imagined they were stuck in her eye.

Where did she think they went?

Greg Bach

I don't know.

Cleveland?

No clue.

It's like, that has to be, I mean, even when it just goes back a little bit in your eye, it

irritates you how they can just get lost back there and you don't go to the I am I am honestly like I am almost speechless by this all I can say is glasses

Jane Matenaer

I tried contact lenses I couldn't I couldn't do it I couldn't I could not do the finger in the eye it I couldn't do it

Greg Bach

can I tell you a very quick story by one and only time of contacts

When it got contacts, my sister said the guy at the place would give me a lesson.

He was very mean and didn't want to do it.

So he gave me one anyways.

And then I took it home.

It took me two hours to put the first contact in another hour to put the third, the second contact in.

Then they said, just keep it in there for like an hour or two.

Just let your eyeball get used to it.

Then take them out.

It took me three hours to remove the one contact.

And I went to bed with the other one in because I couldn't get it out.

My eyes were red and.

Just absolutely irritate.

The skin was dry.

So the next morning my sister goes, all right, I'm going to take care of this for you.

She sat me down in the toilet.

She said, open your eye.

And like a ninja just took it out.

Never again.

Never again.

Listening public contacts are the work of the

Jane Matenaer

devil.

I wore contacts from the time I was in eighth grade until my sophomore year of college.

And then I switched to glasses just like for a fashion statement.

And now that I've not been wearing contacts for like five years, when I do wear them on the rare occasion, like when I go swimming or something, taking them out as a nightmare.

Oh, it is.

But

Greg Bach

I know that like...

Bridget, my wife, she wears contacts.

It's just, it's easy.

Before I can even say anything, they're out.

And me, I'm sitting there, eyeball, like eyelids open, pressing against my eye and just the tears ran out.

The tears ran out.

The more you

do it.

I was like, they release from your eye better.

Like when I was doing wearing them every day, it was like that for me.

But now that I haven't been wearing them, when I do put them in, they're like cemented in.

Jane Matenaer

Yeah, and for me, it was like, I was running away from my own thing.

You know, it's like I'm trying to put it in and it's like, no, I don't want it.

No, no, no, I don't want.

So anyway, if your contact wearer is good for you, you have a skill set, apparently the three of us lack.

But just be careful with those things.

Make sure you make sure you know where they are when they go.

That wraps up today's episode of this shouldn't be a thing.

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