Relays & Real Estate (Hour 2)

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John Minow and Jim Schmidt.

Hey, thank you very much.

Special thanks to Cheese Curd, Nick Bin in the house.

And now we're going to switch from deep fried cheese to people that eat really, really good, and they do it for a great cause.

Brian Slinger and Christy Sickle, 24-hour ultra relay on Washington Island, going for the Willow Creek Cornerstone Child Advocacy Center.

Welcome, both of you.

Who has the harder job here?

Think it probably depends on the day.

Okay.

I will

give that to Christy.

I just want to say this ultra marathon that you're doing He does sit in here Johnny though.

Finally, we bring some fresh brick oven pizza.

I saw that's not all bad.

Yes, you got a car below.

Yes Tell us about the event.

It's unbelievable.

It is so

this will be my fourth

year doing this introduce yourself Brian.

Oh, yeah, so I

am a lieutenant Brian slinger I'm a detective supervisor with the sheriff's office here in Brown County

I've been with them for 25 years.

I've been in the investigative division for 10 Which I've been working with Christie here for those years through my time doing crimes against children and Thank you for doing

that.

I realize

how important that work is and especially what they do for us And I want to draw attention to what they do for the community, but so this event Basically, it is either 24 hour or 36 hour event that each participant can choose which they want to do or actually even 12 This year I'm doing it by myself

for the 24 hours.

In the past year, my team, who I started to give a shout out to organized chaos, we've done the 24 hour and the 36 hour.

But this year, I decided I'm going to do by myself, see what I can do to raise money for the Willow Tree.

How do people donate?

So I've got a flyer that I'm trying to pass around as much as I can through social medias.

And we probably can get you guys a link as

well,

where

you can

scan on.

Yeah, you can scan in the code, you can either

pledge per triathlon completed, or you can just do a general donation amount if you're more comfortable with that.

All right, so the Willow Tree, I think a lot of people know where it is.

I'm not sure they all know what goes on behind those walls.

So let's talk a little bit about the Willow Tree.

I mean, a lot of effort to get that thing built and just the comfort

it gives kids.

The

purpose and tell us a little bit about the Willow Tree.

And welcome, Christy.

Yeah.

Well, thank you.

So first of all, my name is Christy Sickle.

I am the program manager and one of the child forensic interviewers at the Willow Tree Cornerstone Child Advocacy Center.

So we're located in right in downtown Green Bay.

We've been open since January of 2011, but despite Willow Tree's longevity, we're not readily known so much in the community.

At Willow Tree, we assist with

providing services to investigative parties when they are conducting an act of investigation of child abuse and neglect.

So we do this by providing a specific service to assist with the investigation while at the same time, we're providing supportive resources to the child and their family to help them move forward from the traumatic situation that the child may have experienced.

And that was so needed here.

The judges were like, we gotta do this.

And the committee really stepped up on that.

I thought that was a great.

fundraiser when cornerstone and everybody stepped up.

Well, it

also brings it to the light.

Right.

It brings it to the service.

You know?

Yeah.

And before I've been at Willow Tree for nine years, I don't want to date myself.

But prior to working at Willow Tree, I also worked at Brown County Child Protective Services.

So before Willow Tree opened its doors, there wasn't

There wasn't a community protocol or an interagency agreement about how we are going to investigate these types of crimes.

At Willow Tree, we work together as a multidisciplinary team.

When a child is navigating through a child abuse investigation, oftentimes it involves more than law enforcement.

We have law enforcement who is investigating if a crime has been committed.

We have child protective services assuring the safety of the child in the home.

We have advocates who provides supportive services to the child and the family.

We have forensic interviewers like myself who are specifically trained in eliciting sensitive information from children.

in a way that is developmentally sensitive and legally sound.

We also have medical providers, we have therapists, we have prosecutors who may be trying the case.

So really the concept behind Willow Tree is to really minimize the amount of time a child has to continuously share about their experience and also minimizes the amount of places that they have to go from the start of the investigation to the

end.

Flipping but like one-stop shopping type of thing where you know, which dramatically that can make you know I mean you get a little bit more comfortable possibly being in one place and getting it all done wouldn't you agree

exactly so a child can come to willow tree Instead of like meeting with their investigative team

at their police department or going to human services or to the district attorney's office.

A child can come to Willow Tree and all those entities

can

come to them.

They can receive help from the very beginning of the interview.

I mean, excuse me, the very beginning of the investigation through a child forensic interview, child maltreatment medical evaluation, supportive victim advocacy.

and then a child can continue coming to Willow Tree to see one of our counselors to help them move

forward.

and now 10 bucks an hour and you can do this thing for 20, you may do 20 hours, 23 hours.

The teams, tell me how this thing works again.

Cause I think I'd like to sponsor somebody on this event.

Yeah.

So this is, I'm the only one that I know of that's doing it for a charitable cause.

Normally it's just, normally just guys are out there just doing it as a team and then it's a competition so you can get the most done.

So I'm doing it.

Thanks for doing that.

That's awesome.

I took it upon myself just to last year when I was biking in the middle of the night at like, I think it was like three in the morning going down one of the,

County roads on Washington Island.

I'm like, you know, this is cool and all like doing this for the team, but I should probably do this for a cause.

So.

pledging is going to be like per triathlon completed.

So

a

triathlon up there is considered one loop of the swim course, which is a quarter mile, one run, which is two miles, and then one bike, which is approximately 10 miles.

So my goal is, had some numbers written down, is to do probably in the 15 triathlon range, which would put me at about four miles of swimming.

150 miles of biking and then 30 miles of running.

I got a coach.

Is that a year?

I

have a coach down in

Madison.

I go

back to 2014.

No, I have a coach down in Madison that I'm working with because I'm doing the Ironman in September again.

So I have to talk with him about how much I'm actually going to do.

But right around the 15 mark is probably going to be my goal.

We can always swim

during the 15

hours.

No, 15 triathlon

loops.

Yeah.

So there's only, obviously you can only swim and run and bike so fast and I have 24 hours to do

it.

Don't you have to recover from the swim?

That seems like that would be the... I'm a high school swimmer

and I swim a little bit after that.

So I'm swimming is my easy part.

It just

depends on the wind up there.

Right.

The

lake or the bay

is... You have spotters with you.

So you can only swim during the day from 8 a.m.

till 6 p.m.

They do have some people on shore, but I mean, typically you're wearing a wetsuit and there's a lot of other people out there.

So you're good to go.

And the loop is... Yeah, and it's unlike a traditional triathlon, you can do like all your swims right away if you want to.

So I could swim 15 loops right away, which is probably what I'll do.

And then get out of the water.

I like

to get that out of the way

too.

Take a little break and then hit the bike

and then run.

People like you similar to you and you're this is really something but they talk about swimming sometimes being the most difficult Not because of the length but because there's so many people and you know they practice

swimming your face and people kicking in the

head and issues to get the That's sometimes what they say is the most difficult what you're doing I think is really smart and that you can't swim alone and you can get it all done in one Section

yeah, and honestly This course is set up really nice.

It's really safe and there's not as many people

out there, they limit the amount because it's Washington Island, so the amount of people that they can have on the island at a time is limited.

This is such a popular event, they have a wait list

for it.

I was gonna say, people want, this is one of those ones, they have more people that want to get in that they can allow in.

Yeah, and some of the money from our registration fees actually goes back to the island as well,

so

that's another thing for people to think about.

Yeah, I'm gonna ask you a little bit about your job.

You know, 25 years with the Sheriff's Department, 10 years in this, you must,

I don't know, sleepless nights, maybe that's the right word, but you just want to, like, kill people at times, right?

I mean, how frustrating that is to see some innocent little kid.

First of

all, he's going to deny that.

I will just now my client denies that accusation Honestly,

I've seen about the frustration.

I know look.

Yeah, it

can be frustrating I will say that up until about ten years ago I was like trying to find my like what

right why like

what I'm gonna focus on and then when I got in the investigative division I began doing juvenile cases because the way that our Assignments work out.

I mean I was able to pick that and once I found that and found that

Nitch niche or like started working with Christie at the CAC and started working with child protective services and all these other entities I really found what I was passionate about and I don't have children of my own But I do have a niece and nephew and I couldn't imagine if they

were

victims of a crime

and trying to get them the best possible services and making it so that we're all together, looking out for their betterment.

No matter

what

the

outcome is

on

the criminal side of it, they're the number one priority.

Chris, where's your passion?

We always ask that.

There's got to be something inside where it's not just a job.

What's your passion?

My passion, I often get asked that question, how do you sleep at night?

How do you hear these bad things over and over again?

And I think there's a lot of like preconceived notions that kids are coming into these interviews or they're walking into Willow Tree and they're very upset, they're crying.

But Willow Tree is designed to be trauma-informed.

We provide a child-friendly, home-like environment for kids.

So what I'm really passionate about is providing children with that kind of that first step forward to their healing process.

I think it's a privilege to be able to help a child and to kind of be that person that kind of helps them move forward.

You're putting them in a safe place with

nothing else to

begin with, right?

Yes.

A forensic interview is not necessarily, it's not a therapy session or a counseling session, it's part of an investigation, but oftentimes it can be therapeutic for a child.

Sharing something that they maybe have kept a secret for years because someone has told them not to tell or they were scared to share.

And I'm really passionate to be able to provide that space to a child to help them move forward.

So I'll talk to both of you about careers, because we have people that, and I also, I'm an instructor,

Tell me about your career path and you lieutenant.

Yes, sir.

Okay.

Good You're with the department for 25 years.

Tell me just about how you got into that high school or what was your dad?

No, so I Wasn't really sure what I wanted to do coming out of high school.

There's a few people like that.

Yeah, so I went

to the

Fox Valley Technical College started out for something else and realized pretty quick that I was not smart enough to do that.

I was like computer robotics and all this kind of stuff.

I think you're saying

radio.

Well, he was smarter than that.

You're smarter than that.

But then I

started thinking back to some people that, you know, affected me when I was growing up and I had a school resource officer at Madison Junior High School in Appleton that

I really looked up to and I thought, you know, I should go look into that.

So I went to the police academy two-year degree down there and got hired with Brown County back in 2000.

Worked as a patrol, mostly on night shift for 12 years.

And then I spent some time in the drug task force.

before being moved to investigative

division.

See those SROs, they really could influence a kid, and I don't know if they really see that, and how.

We talk about teachers, I think they realize that more, because we get people in here all the time, and who is your biggest, nine out of 10 times, well, I mean, not 10, but eight out of 10 times, it's a teacher, you know, that or someone in school.

All right, we can come back.

I want to hear about your career path.

That's a very interesting field you're in.

We're gonna go to a quick break here, I think.

Are we?

No?

Yes, quick break.

All right, we'll be right back.

Right after this was Brian and Christie Sickle.

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That super world of my own.

Nobody but

you and me.

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from the Willow Creek Cornerstone Child Advocacy Center.

We're talking about what Brian's doing with the 24-hour ultra relay on Washington Island.

What's that coming up, Brian?

What is that?

July 25th and 26th.

OK.

And he's doing it to raise proceeds for Willow Creek Cornerstone Child Advocacy

Center.

Willow Tree.

What did I say?

Willow Creek.

Oh, I'm sorry.

And there is actually a Willow Creek in town, but we are Willow Tree.

OK.

Is that a bowling alley or something?

It is actually.

There's a few different willow creeks.

That's a place I got

in

trouble

with the

sheriff's department.

That makes sense.

Because we

did that bowling benefit and

I

walked out with the bowling shoes on and didn't realize for a couple of days.

That's a felony, I think.

I

think it might have been Bill Morgan that chased me down.

Well, tell us a little bit more about what you do.

But even aside from this, we want to get you on again and devote an entire segment.

to what you people do, because I think it's so important.

And unfortunately, it's not going away.

You'd think maybe at some point, it's more prominent, maybe, would you say, Brian?

You know what I mean?

You hear about it a little bit more than years ago.

It seems like people used to try to keep it under the covers more.

Yeah, I think

just more attention's being drawn to it, which is

good, because

it gets people empowered to talk about it.

It makes them

have the ability to come forward.

And especially with like social media and all these different platforms that we're seeing now.

Unfortunately, the ability to abuse a kid is also easier because of the digital world that we've

learned.

Exactly.

Well,

Christy, go ahead and tell us everything we can do to help you guys.

Well, I think just kind of being here today and sharing that Willow Tree does exist and how we assist the community.

So the brunt of our

investigative cases or children or families that we serve are from Brown County.

However, we service all of Northeast Wisconsin.

So we are getting families traveling down as far as Marinette, the northern tip of Wisconsin, Door County, Kiwani County to utilize our services.

So kind of like had Brian had mentioned, like it's not readily talked about.

So that prevention and outreach and just bringing the community

or making the community aware that we exist and the importance of reaching out to a child and family in need can really go a long way.

So

all good things cost money, or most good things.

Tell me about your funding.

I was under the assumption, I was wrong, that it was...

100% funded by the county, and that's not the case.

Yeah, I think that's a common misconception.

So Willow Tree is an umbrella program within Family Services of Northeast Wisconsin, which is a larger nonprofit that provides an array of supportive services.

Our funding is...

We get some county and state funding.

We also receive some grants.

But 33% of our budget is coming from fundraising events.

So community outreach.

Things like he's doing.

Exactly what Brian is doing.

We have a large fundraiser that we host every year at St.

Norbert's College that is also coming up on August 6th.

Let us promote that.

We would like

to do that

one event at a time.

How about right?

Yeah,

exactly.

We

enjoyed doing that and people I think people want to help and sometimes they just We want to give the awareness, right?

We're not bringing

out $10,000 checks, but we just want to make it really aware.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right, so 33% comes from just the public.

Exactly.

Yes.

Okay.

Well, that's cool.

Brian once again, how can we donate because I want to donate to

this too

So I'll definitely get you guys my flyer my link and then I think

Facebook and stuff.

Yeah,

family services also had the link available to do that

Otherwise, just reach out to me at the sheriff's office.

I can put you in contact.

All the money goes directly into Willow Tree.

None of it comes to me.

It all goes to the Willow Tree.

It's all through the links that they provide.

It's 100% the money goes there.

It says nothing to do with raising money for myself or for anything else.

It's just completely for...

The willow tree.

I have had some really good sponsors already step up for me the Green Bay Fraternal Order of Police the Brown County Sheriff's Benevolent the Green Bay Police Benevolent Hubert Lawrence Police Department pooled a bunch of money together for me I'm I don't know if you guys have paid advertisements or anything.

So I don't want to be

I'm a

team rider for Pete's garage bicycle shop And they're kind of helping me out with some things for this so there's a lot of a lot of different people that are there

or helping me out.

You know, you guys know Dan Van Land and Chopper from Holbert.

He's the one that got me on the show here today.

He's been helped.

Do not know

him.

I will, I will.

What?

I will know Chopper?

You're probably, yeah, you're probably.

I may or may not owe him a few dollars for a bet I made that did not turn out right.

I'm not saying

anything

about that.

But just

guys like that with a lot of connections in the community are able

to help me out.

That's

what

it takes.

Hey, tell me Brian, how is Brown County Greater Green Bay doing when it comes to this?

This issue, I mean,

I think we're doing great.

I mean, I travel around the state and I've actually been around the country to different trainings and things on how this MDT process It's a team thing works multi-disciplinary team and other states and other agencies are behind us actually They always talk about how we're on the cutting edge of coming up with things and Christie to her credit is like One of the most best interviewers in the state Wow

That's awesome.

So if we're doing it right, we gotta do more of it.

You know what I mean?

Like, don't throw it all back.

Let's raise some more money.

Let's really lean into this thing.

Yeah, and we need to keep that

service going because people don't understand how crucial that is and how vital it is to not just the law enforcement side of it, it's the bigger picture of...

this child needs to have the support and needs to be able to recover, and we need to provide those services and their ability for them so that they can grow and move on from

a- Yeah, addressing a child's trauma and helping them and providing them with support really helps them turn into healthy, productive adults in the future.

That's fantastic.

Wow, that's good stuff.

Todd, we gotta get them back.

You got it.

Absolutely.

Well, best of luck to you.

Better start working out.

Looks like you're a little in shape.

I know.

Yeah, I

know.

I'll head out for a job.

Were you a Navy SEAL?

Is that a Navy

SEAL?

From the Brown Corny Dive team.

Oh, okay.

Yeah,

this guy 23 and a half hours.

He's gonna drop dead.

I can just see him.

No

Man Brian slinger Christy sickle 24-hour ultra relay coming up on Washington Island proceeds going to the willow tree cornerstone Child Advocacy Center and Todd we're gonna have that on our Facebook, right?

Yep.

We'll have it how people can donate.

Yep All the friends the program come on rally around this one.

This is a fantastic one Thank you both so much for being here.

Yes, and

I'm halfway to my goal

So the more people you can get me, the better.

All right, we'll do it.

We'll do it.

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Now back to Minow and the Mayor.

Here's John Minow and Jim Schmidt.

Hey, thank you very much.

Welcome back.

Man, those were two impressive guests.

Brian Slinger, Brown County Sheriff's Department.

Christy Sickle from the Willow Tree Cornerstone Child Advocacy Center.

They were great.

He's, of course, doing the 24-hour ultra relay on Washington Island to raise funds.

Todd's going to put some stuff on our Facebook down the road here and we'll get the flyer and everything.

He said he's halfway there.

We'd love to help him get to his final goal.

You see that text that just came in?

OK.

The felony wasn't John stealing the bowling shoes.

It was living behind his shoes, the stench rating for them, because multiple manslaughter charges.

Todd, that is funny.

That is a true story, though.

I walked out with the bowling shoes on, and I realized that night when I took them off at home, but first thing the next morning, they called, Mr. Amino, did you walk away with

a

pair of bowling shoes?

Yeah.

How you doing?

We got a very special guest, Patty Hendrickson in, moving with the Mount Curse.

How are you?

Real good, ain't you?

Good.

First of all,

congratulations on your anniversary.

Is your husband listening?

Yes.

Okay.

Wish him happy anniversary.

Happy anniversary, honey.

Nice.

Going to sing for him,

John.

Pardon?

Going to sing for him.

Happy anniversary, dear Patty.

Yeah.

Wow.

Wow.

Thank you.

So how many years have you been married?

33.

Isn't

that nice?

Yeah.

So yes.

All right.

And John, just

you know, his, um, you know, you remember things, certain things that happened, you know, um, his was, uh, gee, that was the year of the, uh, pink flamingo tournament.

Yeah, that's my

memory just works around that.

Patty, moving with the mall, chorus, tell us a little bit of how's it going out there?

What's the market look like?

Not bad.

It's starting to come back into central, which is nice.

There's more on the

market, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And pricing isn't crazy.

No, it's not.

It's starting to be actually where people can't afford certain homes in certain situations, certain areas.

It's getting better.

I think, okay, I'm not blaming us, but I think the media in some cases built, like even with the Packard Draft, it was kind of like built up media story after media story, $5,000 a night for your house.

You know,

John, that that's don't feel bad.

The media did build this thing up.

A lot.

A

lot, a lot.

And with people listening to House Now, it's like, I got a friend who sat at, I mean, 350 instead of 175.

And it's coming back to real life.

Yeah, it's not going to go back where it was, because there is a supply and demand problem.

COVID did play into that.

But, I mean, I was feeling so sorry for some of these kids.

I don't have any kids.

I

can say that because I'm

young.

Yes.

Oh,

yeah.

And it's like, I can't believe you spent that money.

And I know what you make.

That's just, that's just a lot of house for what you make.

You can afford it, but you're married to that house now too.

You are.

You better plan on staying there for a long, long time.

Right.

So I'm glad that it's getting, yeah, everybody's entitled to make a profit, but I mean, come on.

Sure.

Absolutely.

Okay.

Well, that's good to hear.

Let's talk a little bit about, okay, renting or buying.

Okay, we've talked about that.

I know what you're going to think, but some people do get trapped in a little bit of a corner.

And this is something we talked about the other day that I still sticks in my crotch is the.

the unbelievable prices for property taxes.

And some of these elderly people, maybe their mortgages paid off, but they still have $7,000 or $8,000 to come up with every year for property

taxes.

Right.

Right.

And Wisconsin is one of the worst states.

Absolutely.

I believe, right?

Don't you?

Kristen

Ambrose we had

on?

Why are we in the top 10?

I don't understand that.

I know.

Tell me what.

We tried one time.

Remember, I think California, that was a long time ago, but they just froze them.

And if you're 60... Yeah.

But I don't know for some reason we can't do that here, but wouldn't that be nice if once you're 65, you know, you kick in social security if you want 62, whatever, and your property taxes are frozen, you sell your house, it's gone.

But you know, they've worked their whole lives, they paid taxes their whole lives.

Actually, you're gonna lose, you're gonna use less services because you're probably not gonna have kids when you're 65 to send them into the schools, which is the largest part of your property taxes.

So it's like, yeah, you know, and you're probably not, it's like,

Maybe you don't drive as much.

We don't use the streets as much.

But still, we want you to live here.

You've lived here your whole life.

You've contributed to our community.

We're going to freeze it at, whatever, $3,500.

Right.

And they just won't.

They keep raising it.

And like you

said, $6,000 is a lot of money.

Oh, it is?

Yeah, we live in West Apir.

And the kids are gone.

I'm exactly what you're talking about.

Exactly.

So are we.

So we pay $7,000 in property taxes.

That's what I paid in

Lesview.

And you know what's kind of funny, though, where that lost off in Roe it is?

The people on the river.

don't pay that because they are not the city of Dupir.

They are actually the town of Lawrence.

The doctors, lawyers, Indian chiefs figured that out.

So they pay less than we do across the street.

Wow.

You know what, and people, there's a lot of that.

Yeah.

I mean, that's a good example.

There's other good examples too where, and I'm talking to you the same house.

See, they even look the same.

Yeah.

Right across the street from each other.

Now there are, that happens in municipalities and it's just crazy.

Right, right.

Right.

And they always say that taxes are fair and they're

not.

No, they're not.

Not at all.

I mean, we don't have kids going to schools anymore.

But where we are, we're at the beautiful streets, the beautiful parks, but our interest rate is so low, there's no way we're moving.

Right.

But every time that tax bill rolls around, I'm like, this is what I'm paying for.

Stuff I'll never am not using anymore.

Right.

Where I was, they had garbage pickup once a week.

Nothing else.

You know what I mean?

That's what you're paying for.

Nothing

else.

I will say we lived before we moved into Green Bay and our taxes were really low, but we didn't have anything.

We moved to Green Bay and we really liked the park system.

We liked

the garbage.

We liked that, you know, something bad happened, you know, something's going to be there right away.

But then we got used to that at, like I said, X a thousand and then

That keeps going up, but nothing changed.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, that's that's my point.

And that's what you're saying, too.

And we had crazy.

Yeah.

How often do you have to deal with it?

Because, you know, the one thing when I took my or studied for my real estate exam really opened my eyes to a lot of things that more people should kind of know about.

Exactly.

That's kind of our job.

Like

assessment fees and all these different things, even easements and all those kind of things.

But they're, I mean, as a realtor.

something like you was been in for a while and you know like ins and outs.

I bet there's times where you have to sit people down like first time homebuyers or whatever and say okay.

We need to talk about everything that comes into this

play.

It seems a

little too easy on these, sell my house real estate shows and everything.

You have to really take these people that haven't gone through the trenches of this before and educate them a little bit, don't you?

You do, you absolutely do.

I'm dealing with a couple of first time home buyers and not understanding so many things about their mortgage loan itself.

Why am I putting earnest money down?

All the things that we as real estate agents

have to be very clear with these first time home buyers.

But when they have a HUD financing and these houses are going like that so fast, they don't have a chance.

It's so sad to watch this transpire.

Like I said before, it's getting better.

But the people in the $253.25 range, and that's all they can afford, they go so fast.

And it's just disheartening.

And then we talked about whether you should rent or own.

And my thing is never rent because I like to build equity.

But to overpay $100,000, maybe you want to rent and wait till it cools down.

You know what I mean?

I mean, you're the

realtor.

Yeah.

I 100% agree with you.

And with the senior market as well, sometimes that renting is a better option.

It's like we don't have to worry about anything.

We don't have

to lawn care, all that other stuff.

It's a smaller place now.

That's key.

But yeah, it depends financially where you're at, where you are location-wise.

We were just talking about living in a metro area versus rural.

All those things play into it.

And the thing is, we're talking about too, like if I had stayed up where I'm from, I would have started working in the iron ore mines the day after I graduated from high school, made a great paycheck up there for a lot of years, probably would have bought a house for about...

$22,000 a year, you know,

right?

Right, right.

And that's the way, that's the way our, my parents did it and their parents and then the world just changed a little bit.

And it's just, it's a different era out there as a realtor.

What do you try to get across to people when somebody says, Hey, would you be my buyer's agent or things like that?

What do you really try to get across to them?

Again, there are so many different avenues that you can take.

What's your budget?

What can you actually seriously, honestly afford?

Yes, they're gonna lend you X dollars.

Be sure you can afford that.

I'm very clear with my young buyers, especially.

Don't see the, oh, you're gonna, uh-uh.

So that's very important for me to get across to them.

Why, okay, you want an inspection, I get it, but understand you're not gonna get this house.

It's, you know.

Isn't that

amazing when you think about that?

Yeah.

Would

you allow your child to buy

a house with

an inspection?

No.

but they're not gonna they're gonna be living with me because you're right because they won't get it because

somebody else will say no i don't need an inspection

yeah

yeah

too much emotion in buying a house but very much very and and they need you know the parents but sometimes we gotta step away too you

know yeah because

they're so like i just remember my daughter buying a house and i just like that was crazy i was more than i spent on

our house and

we

were

way, I think we had about 30 years and I'm like, and I just, I'm not going to weigh in on this because it's, I can't, I can't get my arms around that dollar phone.

They got to figure it out, but then they do and they did, but then he found out what she was making your year.

Okay, go ahead.

Why don't you buy me a house too?

That is true.

The world's different on a couple of things, right?

I mean, and Kim's are a little bit higher than the other.

Patty Hendrickson moving with the mall course.

Yes.

Love it.

Patty, let's talk a little bit.

Just if you don't mind, real estate is an industry.

Yes.

Um, you've obviously been successful in it.

Would you encourage that too?

Not for the faint of heart, I wouldn't.

And I say that because there is so much emotion that goes into being a real estate agent.

And if you don't have that empathy, you really shouldn't be in this industry.

If you're in it just for the money, that's a shame because these are huge decisions people are making.

This is a home that you're buying or you are selling.

It's not just a house.

If you don't have that empathy for people,

I tell you, it's not a good profession for you to be in.

Well, you don't know the predators that are out there.

And Kristen talked about that last week, the predatory lending and all these different things where, you know, the bait and switch type things.

They're so much that, and you're locked in.

I mean, this is one of those things where it's like, ah, that car didn't work out.

I'm selling it.

I put it in eBay.

You're locked in.

You've invested.

And another thing, it

They make it look so easy when we were talking about you can look on your phone, mortgage, blah, blah, blah.

Oh, we can afford that.

But it doesn't give you a hint of all the other things.

No.

Isn't that true?

Absolutely true.

And you have to spend that time.

You have to say, I don't care if it's a first time home buyer or a mom and dad, dad died, what's mom going to do?

That's kind of my world more so than anything.

I'm a senior real estate specialist.

So I deal with the elders and I make sure that they understand what

to them, what is it you want?

Do you want to stay here or now the dad's gone?

Daughter is in Arizona, she wants you out there, but you're giving up your church, your community, you're letting that go to live with your daughter.

You have a

support system, your neighbors maybe?

Sometimes you don't think about that, because the emotion is so high because dad just died.

And the kids just kind of, oh, here they come.

They all have opinions on how a mom should live her life.

But if she's of a good sound mind, or he's of a good sound mind, listen to them.

Understand what they want.

That's my biggest thing with being with this market, the senior market.

Tell me all you can about yourself, where you're at, where you want to be.

You hear so much more when you take the real estate out of it for a minute.

And then you can go.

I mean, if I sell their house great, if I don't, it's okay.

I know in my heart of hearts that I've helped him or her figure out how to move forward in life.

That's

a lot more than a piece of property.

I think that's

great that you're doing that.

We have many, many guests come on at different times and that socialization is so critical.

in life to be, you know, that if it's not at least a depression, it can actually lead to something even worse.

Absolutely.

I was just

saying, there are studies that could lower your

life

expectancy.

I mean,

that's such a big thing.

You're thriving aspect of it.

Yeah.

All right, we're going to center a quick break.

This is really fascinating stuff, Patty.

That's cool.

Patty Hendrickson, moving with the Melchors, specializing in senior... Real estate specialist.

Real estate

specialist.

Good stuff.

Back after

this.

Mother's tired, she needs a rest.

The kids are playing out downstairs.

Sister's sighing in her sleep.

Brother's got

the night to keep, he can't hang around.

Our house in the middle of a street.

I'm starting with cheese curd Nick right from the get-go and the Brian slinger and Christie sickle 24 hour ultra real ultra relay in Washington Island Proceeds going to the willow tree cornerstone child advocacy center, which is phenomenal and Patty Hendrickson, and you know what sometimes

I'm glad we talked during the breaks because you just sometimes you get more things that open your eyes and you don't want to talk about outside but that it is a tough world out there in the real estate business.

You've been doing it now and you said you're okay with just the commission thing because you've

done

successful and you're used to it but it could be tougher young people getting

in

on that.

You're talking about an aspect that no one really talks about before with the senior real estate been a senior real estate specialist Yeah, tell everybody what that involves and why if somebody's mom or dad or many times Unfortunately, it's just the mom or the dad, you know has to make a big decision.

Tell them what you can offer them

What we what we as specialists in the senior market do is we sit down with the mom or the dad and their family members But primarily we want to sit down with with the seniors and really get to the heart of what they what they're looking for Listen to them.

See where they're at what there's so much emotion in it But just you know get down to the core of it.

Where do you want to live?

Have you thought about these things if you move to Arizona?

Do you realize that now you lose your church connection your your your friends your

understand that.

When Magnum PI comes on and talks about reverse mortgages,

is

that do you address that or do you send them to the bank or?

That's where I send them to the specialists.

I don't address that at all because I don't I seriously honestly I don't know enough about reverse mortgages.

They're

convincing.

Yeah, well there

are most commercials

off events and you

study those things till hell won't have it, but I

Yeah,

okay, because boy do they mislead people on some of these

funeral things or imagine about the predatory type,

right?

Yes.

Yes, it's terrible and they're again, you know, they're gonna get advice from their kids their friends there Yeah, it's like their friends friends go to the expert.

Yeah, I bet there's times you like to say, um, would you kid step out of the room?

Oh Oh, yeah, let's go get coffee and you know, just you and me, right?

Yeah

Yeah, absolutely.

Senior law too, Dan Walsh.

He is the guy for senior law.

I

love having sessions with him.

I do a lot of that where I go to places and let's have Dan talk about what you need to have.

And

it is a different, I don't know, Nisha's the right word, but it's, things are different.

for that group, and I think that's great that you specialized

in that.

It's my heart, it really is.

I find great joy.

My mother, she lived with me for a year and a half, and then now it's with another sister, but I really learned a lot about the market.

I sold her home, and just going through that whole process, that is a very sad thing to go through.

But it also can be very enlightening, and now they know they're moving to the next

journey.

No, tomorrow after this, I'm picking up my mom's 93 and we're going for the 4th of July.

And what a process that was after my dad died.

But I think, you know,

to have

someone come in, sell the house, not sell the house.

And then one of the greedy kids want to buy the house at this price.

It's like, dang it happened.

But anyway, that's cool that you did that, that you have all that experience and you seem like pretty forward.

So