Unveiling Curiosities and Musical Mastery (Hour 3)

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Good morning.

Good morning.

How are you?

I'm doing great.

So once again, so many people have disappointed me on this show, and you too, because you've never hooked me up for that architectural dig I want to do, allowing a fox.

Well, we'll work on that.

Yeah, you always say that.

Michael, I'm gonna discover some really cool stuff around here.

Do you have

one of those

medals?

Yeah, but I loaned it to a guy to find his property stake and he never got it back to me.

Yeah, but that was the best thing about it.

I know the greatest thing is with two things.

You know who else asked me to use it one time?

Mary Jane Herber, because they wanted to find the two... No, what do you call it?

The time capsule thing at the courthouse.

And they couldn't find where they had buried it, but they thought there was some metal.

So that's where metal detecting comes in best, finding property stakes or time capsules and bottle caps.

That's what I found a lot of.

How are you, Beth?

I'm doing

great.

Good to see you.

Beth, is this your program or is this a national thing?

This is a cool

program.

It's a brand new program.

It is Neville-based, obviously.

So its curiosity is unveiled.

It's on Tuesdays monthly.

And it does a deep dive into different programming in different areas of the museum.

It's almost like you didn't know.

It really unveils something.

And we're all curious about certain things.

So yeah, we're going to have you back here.

But let's just go through some of these.

I mean, the first one that kicks off, well, soon.

Soon.

And it's one hour every evening, six to seven.

Correct.

Okay.

So tell us about the first

one.

So the first one is June 24th and it looks a deep dive into a Dr. Seuss exhibit that we have up right now.

So it's called Secret Seuss and it looks at two private collectors in the Fox Valley area that have loaned us some items that take a look into the life of Dr. Seuss as an artist.

Do they have some of his artwork?

Yes.

I've got a friend that has a bunch worth...

Big big big money.

It is

it's a very valuable

big money collection.

In fact, I'll tell you what it was it was where I used to work and Spencer or good friends artists here I said hey Spencer and he went like oh my god.

Yes, you guys realize of how you have these things

Yeah, it's pretty impressive.

So again, it's original It's original art on the outside of the gallery walls and then we have some three-dimensional pieces So it is a really amazing piece.

So yes, it's an opportunity to take a deep dive into the exhibit and the content and the life of dr. Seuss

and how cool to know that

Just, you know, I don't know what age you're expecting there, but that would just be something when to talk to your grandkids or something, you'd know a lot about- Absolutely.

Everybody's heard about it.

Everybody's heard about it.

And everybody has a different favorite book.

Right.

You know what I'm saying?

That's the coolest part.

The exhibit's only been open for, you know, two weeks now.

But building up to opening it, talking to folks, it's just they have-

It's just a love for Dr. Susan

again

everybody

so everybody I think the most exciting thing when I was a little kid was that once a month or once every three weeks You'd get that you'd get mail.

They'd be that package.

You'd be a new doctor soon spoke

and again He had such a career over 70 bucks published, you know, he had a great advertising career So there's just things that that you don't really know, you know the book but then it's the backstory of who he was

So was he kind of like a mr. Rogers guy?

I mean, I just never met him, but what he didn't die what?

When did he die, 1999?

I believe so.

Yeah, something like that.

Late 90s.

Late 90s.

But had a very long career.

Oh, yeah.

Very long career.

I'm just curious.

I'm curious.

I'll have to go.

But his background, I mean,

just... So, yeah, his background was, he was, his most of his career was in advertising, and that's how he made a living was, but then the artwork came in after the fact, and he would work evenings and nights and create these characters, and he...

what's really cool is like the cat, the cat in the hat was like his, he always said his persona was either the cat the hat or the Grinch.

And you can see when you compare the artwork side by side, you can really see similarities in how he drew the cat in the hat versus the Grinch, but then there's some subtle differences.

Wow.

At your next one.

In July.

John can help.

Yep.

Go ahead.

I was gonna say we have, we have a dinosaur, traveling dinosaur exhibit up.

So again, we look at the kind of,

Aspect of when you see a movie like Jurassic Park or Jurassic World What what are you looking at and then what you know how we can debunk what some of those

so the name of that program But the first one was secrets of Zeus, but the second one is misconceptions in the media

So again, it's looking at really using the exhibit content and taking a look at what dinosaurs really truly

I told you this, I would be willing to donate this.

I got a woolly mammoth bone.

Do you?

Yeah.

Okay.

I bought it in Alaska.

Okay.

We have a Tusk, a woolly mammoth tusk

that

did come from Alaska.

It's been part of our collection for decades.

And a woolly mammoth with teeth of mastodons and mammoths.

Is your

bone real?

Yeah.

Are you sure?

Yeah.

Do you have like an authentic certification piece of

paper?

I think so.

I'll bring it in.

I'll show you.

You

can see this

was manufactured in 1974.

Made in China.

Wow, Michael.

Michael's being it up.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Oh my goodness.

You guys, you know what?

Who comes up with your stuff though?

Your displays and your ideas?

Cause this is a big process.

We

work between three to four years out.

So

again, a lot of times community members will come to us and say, I have a suggestion and we'll say, okay, how can we work with it?

The dinosaur exhibit that we have now, we actually signed that contract in 2021 to get it here for, to get it here in Green Bay for six months in 2025.

So again, the Seuss exhibit we've been working on for over three years.

Cause again, it's two private collectors and we had to coordinate and

kind of help curate that storyline because it's different pieces.

Not a lot of risk though with dinosaurs and sews.

Correct.

You know what I mean?

You can plan out that far.

Some of these things, they become a fad and it's like, who's that again?

But those are two good things that, especially kids with the dinosaurs, but you

know.

Every time we do a community survey, dinosaurs is top five.

Top five.

So, you know, we try to look for high quality, good science and...

get those things here to Green Bay.

So again, our community can be exposed to really cool things.

And I mean, it keeps, I mean, the Jurassic Park.

So I think that series will go on forever.

Jurassic Park 12 someday, won't they?

I mean, that there's still the issue.

You know what, you

know what a cool one would be on the Wizard of Oz,

Wizard of Oz.

I think just

the story behind what the true meaning was at Wizard of Oz.

You know, all the characters and just the storyline and everything.

Well, it's funny when you're talking with the little people, they're like grabbing what's her name's button.

Those guys are wild.

They were crazy.

They're crazy.

They're party all the time.

The lollipop kids.

But when

we grew up watching the Wizard of Oz, it was on its surface.

Yeah.

It was a wizard of Oz.

I remember my, my, my youngest daughter's writer, she's the smartest kid I got.

And she came to me and she goes, that.

which I said, she said we're studying the Wizard of Oz and she was in grade school and I'm like, oh, that's good.

I saw this pretty good movie, a little scary one.

So I was just, um, I said, well, you know, it started seeing that yellow brick road.

She goes, dad, that's everybody.

No, that's just the gold standard.

Oh,

so they're analyzing what it represented.

I got it.

And the Tin

Man was like the union.

And I'm like,

oh,

you're having a big time.

I'm like, I don't know.

I didn't know there were so many messages.

Oh my God.

That if you really look into it, it's unbelievable, John.

It is.

I did not know

that.

What's in there?

And she's like, I have seventh grade telling me this.

I'm like, wow.

Wow.

Anyway.

Okay.

That would be cool.

I

just threw that out.

Well, there's curiosity.

You know, Beth, you could get that going a couple of years.

That movie still scares me to this day.

It's still scares me.

That's why I have a, I have one tattoo.

It's a flying monkey tattoo.

Okay.

So why does it scare you?

Oh my, you do have a flying monkey tattoo.

Yeah.

Because we were doing a thing on our own radio show, our nickname was the flying monkeys, all our listeners and everything.

And I came out because it's like we were talking about what scares, what has scared you in facing your fears all your life.

And mine was when I used to walk home from school when I was really little and have walked through this woods area like, and it reminded me so much when the little monkeys used to come down from up above, they're running and chasing and grabbing them.

And that was always my, so I'd have to run thinking those little monkeys were chasing me.

And they were, pick me up, type thing.

So that was always my fear.

That was my number one fear.

So I embraced my fear by getting a tattoo of the flying monkeys.

Wow.

Who knew?

Were there a lot of snakes tattooed?

No, why?

Oh, because I think that's a big

fear, people have.

Oh, snakes, yeah.

But mine was the flying monkey.

Yeah, I'm

sure yours was.

There's some of those little short lengths chasing those people down and then picking

them up.

So you had a bunch of friends do that?

Is

that your thing?

I think we had 52.

I think we had 52 people get the same tattoo.

I'd be curious as to what.

Wow.

Anybody out there with a flying monkey tattoo?

Oh, they all got flying monkeys?

Yes, they all got flying monkeys.

I thought they tattooed what their fear was.

No.

Well, they weren't, but that's, we adopted that, then, as the flying

monkeys.

Oh, that became

the umbrella.

That was never a listener's.

Okay, I

got it.

Yeah, I got it.

So they weren't

necessarily like you afraid of these monkeys.

They were afraid of something, but they

wanted to do it.

Okay, I got it.

Well, what yours be?

If you're afraid of like one thing, what would yours be a snake?

Oh, I have it.

All right.

I'm not

a

fan of spiders.

Spiders?

Okay.

Yeah.

I don't think I like tornadoes.

Those would be a cool tattoo.

Todd?

I don't know, but that's a good one, Beth.

Tornadoes, right?

That actually is.

That's in the Wizard of Oz, too.

Yeah, that's true.

That would be a cool tattoo, though.

I've been thinking of the way to draw that

out.

Yeah, I would.

That would be...

What did you say yours was, Michael?

Spiders.

But there's so many.

I like claustrophobic.

Like, I can't, like, just claustrophobic.

It's not a fear, but it does get me a little in...

Yeah.

Oh,

yours be snakes.

Yeah.

I think cluster full, but doesn't or heights that that would that would

be another one.

Yeah.

Me too, with heights.

Yeah.

Yeah.

My sister.

But anyway, the snake, I know, I mean, there's a million tattoo snakes.

Oh,

yeah.

Go pick

that

out easy.

Yeah.

But I've been

good.

So Beth, tell us more about your projects this summer.

These are all cool.

We've got a whole list of them here.

We've got more dinosaurs and more sews.

More

dinosaurs and more sews.

And again,

two win-wins though.

And if you notice on there too, later on in the year, behind the scenes tour.

So again, custom tour and behind the scenes and collections, which we talked about

last time.

Oh, I would love that.

I would love to see your collection room or storage

room.

So again, it's all tied to the exhibits.

So you can come see the exhibit, but then this is a deeper dive into the content of what we have on display.

that's awesome so tell us about the the museum you know let's take a step back and the cost the hours that's free

yep so it goes

in a while to coney

Residents, but

go ahead.

Yeah, the best part is for first Wednesday of each month, we're free for Brown County residents from 9 a.m.

to 8 p.m.

So the entire day and those days are super busy and there's usually a bunch of different activities that are happening scattered out throughout the day.

So again, checking Facebook, that website gives all the details because we updated all with different partners each month.

And then we're open Tuesdays through Sundays.

Oh, the reason we have the Tuesday Curiosity Programming is because we're open noon to eight, because our community asked for evening hours.

So every Tuesday we're open noon to eight.

Really great opportunity to see two amazing traveling exhibits here at the Neville this summer between the Doctor's Secret Seuss and Darwin and Dinosaurs, plus our local history content.

NevillePublicMuseum.org usually has all the updates to it as well as Facebook and Instagram.

I know I ask this every time, but what are some, I mean, you guys get so many people wanting to offer things to you guys and it's like, okay, you know, we have to put it in storage.

But what are some of the things if they walk through the door with that you guys be like, yes.

So we're working on a food culture exhibit in 2026.

Is that right?

Yeah, 2026.

So right now we don't have a bouya kettle or bouya bouya.

So we're actively looking for one of those.

We might be borrowing one from the Belgian Heritage Society.

But we're always looking for, again, the past and present and things that we wouldn't necessarily have, but are centered to the community.

Nice.

It's gonna, that's interesting.

I mean, across the street, they got some antiques over there and cheese, you know, when that was first getting made.

The guy who invented the cheese slicer worked there.

He died a few years ago, but it's unbelievable what the history of Shriver.

Oh yeah, absolutely.

And again, we've helped them out and they have their history hall, which is pretty awesome.

So again, we look to borrow things as well as we look to...

collect things.

Todd,

go ahead and read the snarky comment.

This is from Todd and Depeer.

John was afraid that flying monkeys are going to pick him up and carry him away.

That must have been a hundred pounds ago.

I don't think he's got much to worry about these days.

All right.

Yeah.

Just pull him down.

Ouch.

Ouch.

Wow.

Wow.

Wow.

Wow.

Wow.

Oh, Beth Kowalski, Neville Public Museum.

Can you stick around?

Yes.

Michael Friedman in the house.

Mine on there.

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Unbelievable.

I thought he was going

to play Barney, but this was much better.

Unbelievable.

Why would I choose Barney?

Wasn't he the Purple Dinosaur?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh,

OK.

Oh, OK.

Finally, I

got one

step ahead of him.

That's the

first time.

Two years.

Two years.

Two years.

Hey, we're only like a week, two weeks away from our

two-year anniversary.

Wow.

Two

years.

Congratulations.

That is fun.

I'm celebrating by taking a vacation.

He is gone.

He is gone.

This has been two years since I've had one, so.

Well,

anyway, I

remember that first

day.

Beth Kowalski, Neville Public Museum, Curiosity Unveiled Programming.

Interesting stuff.

Let's pick it right up from where we were.

Well, that's one of your programs.

I want to take a step back a little bit.

You went over the hours.

Do you have agreements with other museums, with people who like to travel in

museums?

So our museum membership.

Okay, supports all of our programs and exhibitions, but getting a museum membership, whatever level it is, we're part of Association of Science and Technology Centers, which means our basic membership allows you to travel across the United States and even some international museums and get you basically into science and technology centers.

So like if you're interested in going to Milwaukee.

Milwaukee Public Museum's general admission is covered.

Discovery World, Field Museum in Chicago, Science and Industry.

So Minneapolis, so again, so depending on where you're going, Neville membership supports locally, but also allows families or individuals to travel and go explore other museums.

Are there people in Chicago that buy your membership so they can go to that?

That's

not an

expensive museum.

and that's right down the University

of Chicago.

Yeah, the Chicago Museum.

So a lot of grandparents will purchase memberships for families during spring break

if

you're traveling.

It's a really great opportunity to support the Neville and then again, be able to explore other places.

You're from Ohio, right?

I'm from Indiana.

Oh, Indiana, okay.

Indiana.

Just watched the golf tournament a couple weeks through the memorial, the Jack Nicklaus Memorial in Dublin, Ohio, and they've got a big World War II museum there that they were showing that looked really cool.

Okay, I'm not familiar with that one.

Okay, but what I'm saying is with the different types of like the military history

has become, I think, band of brothers for one thing really helped.

Don't you, Michael, we're

both friends.

You know,

with people wanting to know more about that.

Do you have people come to you and ever ask for, like, exhibits, like, hey, would you ever want to do something on the 32nd Division here?

Do you get that?

So we have a large World War I collection,

so

we've done that before because, again, we had a lot of Brown County residents leave.

and fight during World War I and they brought things back with them.

Today, you know, you can't really bring stuff back, but they could at that time.

We're planning on next year's, our country's turning 250 years old, right?

So we're already planning on looking at a community room exhibit that looks at the revolutionary time period and connections to early family members here in Green Bay.

So we're working with the Daughters of the American Republic on that one and are the local chapter and they helped do some research.

tie things together and then we're working on how do we tell those stories.

That's fantastic.

Have you looked at music in this area and having a display on the, the talent goes back here pretty far and some of those even.

radio shows, but even there were good writers of music as well.

Absolutely.

So Wisconsin has a great history to that.

You know, even Madison, we were talking about Madison earlier, having, you know, recording studios.

We've looked at it.

It's just, again, it's working with community partners that have private collections and how to curate that.

So it's definitely something that's come up before and something that we can explore.

And, you know, if it's three, four years out, I mean, who cares, right?

It's a museum.

It just, it takes a lot of work.

And you're right.

A lot of the stuff is sitting in private

homes.

In private homes.

And people like...

to show it off a little bit too.

They do, they absolutely do, but again you know so it's again helping to tell that story and how did you collect it and then what is the what was happening here in time you know what was happening with the recording and what was happening with the genre of music but it's definitely something that has come up before.

We were talking earlier just a little bit to do with that but even in the 20s the music was but

The world was great, right?

We were building all these buildings.

That's when we built the Northland.

We built, you know, the WBAY.

Who was just

in

here?

The YMCA.

The YMCA.

Three of the biggest buildings in Green Bay were built in the same year.

Yeah.

And just that was good living.

I think it'd be fun because if you listen to that music, I bet you take one, they're all too old now, but it takes you back to that time.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

So.

So I could ask this.

I mean, you work in the museum world.

When you go on vacations, do you go to museums?

Or is that the last thing in the world you'd want to do?

I do.

I just

got back from vacation.

And actually, my boys and I were in Providence, Rhode Island.

And we went to Boston for a day.

And my boys are museum kids, too.

So we went to the USS Constitution Museum.

And it was really fascinating.

So again, it's nice to be able to go explore across the country and see what other museums are doing and how they're telling stories.

See, I would love to take a summer and just do that kind of stuff.

Like, I'd love to go to the Holocaust Museum.

It's a very, very somber and very impactful way again, telling those very personal stories.

I remember when the first military museum, Stephen Ambrose actually in New Orleans opened, it was called the DD Museum at the time.

Then they changed the name of it.

Then it got hit bad with Katrina and they had to move it and everything.

Those are just like, yeah, they're somber, but boy, there's, you get a feeling when you're in there and when you leave, it's like.

You learn something.

Again, it's about paying tribute to the past, understanding the past, so that way we can go forward.

We can do that here, John.

I want to do a Green Bay Military Museum.

Northeastern Wisconsin.

They're expensive.

Museums are very expensive.

Yes, it's hard.

You know, again, it's big building.

You have to take care of the collection.

Keep the lights on.

Yeah, I know.

All right, so the boys enjoy Boston.

That's a

great, great city, isn't it?

They

did.

Love it.

It was so much history.

We started on the Freedom Trail, and it was just, again, and there were things that, because of the earlyness of that, I would just be able to be like, okay, Green Bay.

is historically significant.

Like we were existing at the same time.

You know, we were huge, huge with the fur trade.

And so they were able to make those connections.

Well, like I've told Jim, I got a different route that I've walked.

Now I go the opposite way on the river here.

And I had never seen that plaque before, like 1639.

This was the trail to Chicago.

Yes.

You know what I mean?

It's like, right here.

Oldest city,

right here.

That's amazing.

You know, it's a

great museum in Boston, the Isabel Gardner.

Did you go?

No, I wish we had more time.

You should have gone.

I

mean, and it's great because the paintings that were stolen, they just leave those spaces open on the wall.

So you know the story of the Gardner

Museum?

No, I don't.

So three, like a van goes, and I think very, very expensive paintings, three or four were stolen back, what, in the 80s

maybe?

I think so.

And they don't know who

did it.

So the paintings have never been recovered.

covered, no one knows where they are.

But alright, so alright Van Gogh, did you go to, but did you,

but did you go to Cheers?

No.

Did you go to Fenway?

No, we watched, we

watched at Fenway.

Oh man, that's cool man.

I love that city.

It's weird that it's just like Raked Out Town, isn't it

though?

Yep,

absolutely.

Beth Kowalski, Neville Public Museum, we love with you, what you do, what a phenomenal museum.

Barney.

Barney, love Barney.

Come back.

I love you, you love me.

We're best friends like friends should be with a great big

hug

and a

kiss

from me to you.

Won't you?

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Hey, thank you very much.

Welcome back.

It was so great having Beth Kowalski, Neville Public Museum, and the phenomenal things they've got going on there.

Kristen Ambo's Point Mortgage Corporation, she always brings it strong.

Eric Gorder and Emily Smith from the YMCA, the great programs they've got going and Brittany Merleau, of course, Civic Media Meteorologist, but right now we've got Michael Pittman from High Music and... Song!

I'm not even gonna try its song.

I'm gonna let you pronounce your name because you say it's so much better than we can.

Songgyeong, but you can call me song everybody calls me song

and

that's absolutely fine

We'll just go with that then we were with song great with some folks from hide music in here the other day talking about a great project you guys are involved

with oh Yeah, the first Street music week this week.

Yes.

Yep.

We had Leah Reid here on Friday talking all about Street music week down in Appleton So hey if you're looking to do that, this is the time to do it lunch hour come on down absolutely

song is I think everyone knows is the

the conductor of the Civic Music, Civic Symphony of Green Bay.

And by the way, he once in a while throws out the term.

When I was a conductor of the symphony, so I'm going to be honest with you, you've created a monster with him.

He was great.

He was

conducted the Civic Symphony and we had a confetti and he was just glorious under the podium.

That was that was a lot of fun.

When I think of when I think of Jim Schmidt, I think of confetti and glorious.

I never thought

the word

glorious

is actually Jim Schmidt.

All right.

song that you come back anytime.

Okay, I will.

You've got a lot going on.

went to some of your concerts last year.

I just love what you bring to this community, but tell us what's coming up on the 21st, which

is

a great event.

Yeah, about two weeks from now, Saturday, we open at noon, but two o'clock, we have a concert, a patriotic usually close to July 4th.

But this year, it's going to be the International Make Music Day, that day is, as well as the first day of the summer.

I mean, yes, we don't have a summer yet, as you can tell.

But I hope it

come soon.

So we have a theme of music and summer, as well as patriotic pieces.

And the environment is very cool.

Yes, we are doing it at the airport, Green Bay, Austin's Trouble

International.

The Jet Air Hangar?

Jet

Air Hangar, Pilar Smith Training School.

jet air group hangar and it's very, very cool atmosphere.

You get to see a lot of different planes and you actually look inside and also we have a flight simulator.

So you get to experience what it's like to fly.

If we go to AA this year, we got to do that.

Remember we go out and talk about

that.

Simulators are great.

It's a free, free concert.

Really?

Yes.

Of course, donations are appreciated.

Right.

Yes.

That's

awesome.

I know as well.

I love Fourth of July.

I love watching the Boston

Pops.

Oh, absolutely.

Isn't that great?

Oh, she can do that.

Yeah.

I mean, you guys,

you guys

can bring it on when it comes to, well, anything really.

But I got patriotic music that you play is.

Yeah, it's so much fun.

There's nothing like a symphony,

right?

Yes.

And everybody is so, you know, excited to hear, you know, use tunes like the Stars and Stripes.

Oh, yeah.

And.

other ones and we honor veterans.

Yeah.

And so that's it.

That's a great, great family event.

It's just a

great, great event.

Yes.

Especially if you have

whatever.

Yeah.

Grandkids or kids of young age, they get to have so much fun face painting and they get to actually experience playing different instruments.

And we have Michael from the hide.

Michael from hide music.

You

are one of those great sponsors that we need to make our community work.

And you've got a lot of things going on, but I want to focus on this one today.

Yeah, tell us your involvement in this symphony thing at the airport.

Yeah, definitely.

So we've helped sponsor every single year that this has been happening for the third year, instrument petting zoo.

So it sounds funny because you picture a petting zoo, petting little goats and things like that.

But this is for instruments.

So

Come on over, you're here to try an instrument, flutes, clarinets, violins, violas, cellos, a lot of those are orchestral instruments, percussion.

So we have volunteers from the symphony that help us out as well, but come on over and just try instruments.

You know, if you're kids, maybe thinking about doing band, it's a good place to try an instrument before try a few instruments.

If you're an adult, we do rentals and things like that for adults too, so try some instruments.

Maybe you're like...

I want to get back into playing or I never had the opportunity.

It's time to start playing now.

You know, we talk so often, especially on Fridays, we have Dennis Peters from the Glam Band here and we talk about the artists, the young artists that come through and Jamal was asked them, you know, where was the spark?

Somebody gave you that confidence to stay with that.

But the fact of the matter is Northeast Wisconsin, I think, is really underrated with the interest and with the ground roots level of if anybody's interested in music at any level, where you want to play a gig at a local bar or you want to be a six year old wondering how to play.

a certain instrument.

It's here.

I mean, it's people like yourselves who are real advocates for getting people involved, not just listening to it someplace, getting involved.

I think that's great.

Absolutely.

We have so many groups that would.

love to have you.

If you have instruments in the attic, bring it out and try it out.

And, you know, the more you play, the better you get.

And in fact, the Civic Symphony of Green Bay is a volunteer orchestra.

They don't get paid.

Actually, they pay their members' dues.

But they get to experience amazing symphonic literature.

Right.

So it's it's and also there are other city band and other groups.

that would love to have you and join us.

And it's so great that they can join you, because some people, you know, if you're good, you kind of want to not show it off as the right word, but you really want to share it with

other musicians.

Absolutely, absolutely.

You bring that out.

You don't have to be a professional musician.

See something?

Oh, yes, I see it.

Yes, I remember that.

Remember that moment.

It was a lot of fun.

Where was that?

Where is that?

On Meyer Theater.

Oh, the Meyer, okay,

wow.

that was fun and thanks for yeah that one of my highlights i got yes anyway that's i got i got that picture framed in my house so

okay

awesome and i think you song i'd

besides bringing this to our community, you've influenced some people as well.

And I think if they, we talk about your parents tell you you're a good musician, you know, it's kind of what parents should do, but they hear it from someone like you or Michael, it really can spark them to say, you know what, I think I am pretty good and I'm going to pursue this.

Absolutely.

I mean, you don't have to, like I said, a professional musician that 99% of our musicians have a day job.

They work from eight to five and then they come to the rehearsal once a week before the show and we bring the music together and it's just a teamwork.

And nice to kind of get out of the house a little bit and have that socialization.

That's

so important to

people.

There's a lot of studies that that's really important if you want to live a healthy life is to have that socialization.

What a great opportunity there.

Absolutely.

I mean, you get to share the music, you get to talk with somebody else.

We have a lot of physicians and lawyers and school teachers and so many different occupations.

It's funny you say that because I remember going to, I forget which.

bar I was at or whatever a few years ago.

And it was the, all the doctors had their own band.

And then, and then with Dr. Kristin, we talked about, she has a group that at the wider every year where it's all physicians and everybody.

It's almost like that's a really good outlet for those types of people sometimes.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

It's, it's good for your mental.

Right.

Right.

They memorized stuff their whole life.

I mean, it was just the way they think as there's a correlation to music.

That's where that doctors and recital is like.

You know,

I think so.

I think the numbers and a lot of the engineers and they have a specific brain.

I don't know.

I'm not a neuroscience.

They can use it in a fun way.

Absolutely.

Right.

I've released for them almost.

Yes.

Okay.

I've asked you one quick question.

We're talking a little bit, but you have your parents or grandparents are involved with the Korean War, of course.

And I've had many Korean war veterans and they could not say enough good things about the South Korean people.

How well they took care of the American troops over there.

And then they should

have.

Yes, we should because I mean,

And we appreciate so much of U.S.

troops, what they have done in risking their lives and putting their lives on the line and sacrificing their lives.

And that means a lot to us.

I really appreciate that.

That's beyond, you know, it's Korea, a different country from U.S., and they sacrifice their lives.

It's amazing.

But then the American those soldiers and they appreciate that and like I said many of them someone went back to help with villages or excuse me with orphanages with schools with different things as they wanted to repay the South Korean people for how well they took care of them.

So I don't know if people realize what a great relationship or American troops had with the South Koreans.

Thank you.

I mean, there are a lot of orphans who are adopted by Americans.

You know, there is one of my guys.

They did the big breakout from the chosen reservoir, you know, the frozen chosen, which was a terrible situation.

And they went down to the port city of Hung Nam, OK, and they evacuated like 100,000 civilians who would have been massacred by the communists if they'd gotten through.

And the guy went back and he was saying he went to church, Catholic Mass.

And I got to talk to the priests afterwards.

and the priest was one of the young orphans that they took care of and put on those boats to take them out.

Isn't that what a small world is?

That's

the seeds, the seeds that they planted and it grows.

So you've been over here since 1989, which that's

a long time.

Look at you, look pretty much your whole life.

Tell me about your perception of Green Bay.

Are we right when you

say that?

Oh, I love Green Bay.

I absolutely love it because, except.

except the weather.

You've never liked the weather.

I know.

I mean, I am a heat resistant person, so I can tolerate the heat, but the cold, not so much.

However, I mean, I love people here.

The mallet, you know, community feel to it is just amazing.

So,

yeah.

What do you think of the music?

Every sports sports, right?

I mean, talk about the Packers and

GV.

Absolutely.