Remembering Vietnam and Honoring Teachers

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and Jim Smith.

Hey, thank you very much.

Welcome back.

Hey, thank you, Betsy Sorenson on Broadway.

I'm telling you, I know you guys both laugh, but I think it's a Green Bay.

It could be a Green Bay version of the Soho District, but you're not paying.

How much would be

rent?

Oh, it's crazy there.

I mean,

Soho District is it's beautiful.

I did.

It's just fun.

It's fun.

It's where everybody wants to live.

That's it's happening that we have ways to go.

But that.

Park is a lot of potential.

And I just hope that we continue to keep it on the front burner.

I just think geographically and everything with this that is such and nobody knows outside of Green Bay.

I agree.

Nobody knows what Lake Park is.

And I'm just going to say it again.

So everyone look for the Donald Driver statue and just go down that way.

It's a great park, especially for entertainment when they have music.

It just sounds great.

And it was garbage 20 years

ago.

It was a warehouse that burned down and it's

out there

forever and then we uh

that has the potential to be something very cool light park and waterfront is Just can't buy that.

No.

Oh, yes.

So you had something pretty special.

Yeah yesterday was a great event in Appleton Jack Voight who comes on our show.

He's been on it regularly and He hosted an event off of Richmond Avenue and it was the 50th anniversary of the end of the Vietnam War and it's not and I Get several guys

Make this point to me.

Don't say we're celebrating the end of the Vietnam War.

Okay.

We're acknowledging the end of the Vietnam War.

No Vietnam vets are celebrating shit.

Okay.

And nothing was brought more, um, in your face than yesterday at a great event.

They had an Appleton where it had pictures of, I want to say 2100 or more.

I feel terrible.

I don't know the exact number.

Wisconsin veterans that died.

Wisconsin citizens that died in the Vietnam War.

I wish I knew the exact number.

Is it

24?

Is it there?

I thought 21.

I feel terrible that I don't have the exact number because every single one is important.

But anyway, they had pictures of every one of them that died in Vietnam.

They had their pictures up at this ceremony yesterday, which brings it into it's like we send such young Americans to war.

So young.

and seeing their pictures that really brought it.

So anyway, I talked to some of the people there yesterday who lost family members in the war.

And I'll tell you what, you talk about wounds that don't totally, you know, scab over and heal, lose somebody in war.

And boy, that's there.

They didn't ever

heal.

Anyway, yes, that's nice that they, those pictures, that really, because you see the ones with names.

And there's a wall, which is great, but put a face to those

names.

I think that's great that you guys spent the extra money to do

that.

I don't have any extra money to spend.

Cool.

But when they raised the money, they did, they, I think that was, I'm glad they did that.

Absolutely.

It was, it's really great.

And we got some, some interviews I did with some of the people yesterday is the first one, the gentleman from, um, Appleton.

This is, okay.

So he was on his way home after serving a year in Vietnam.

He comes back to the United States.

My goodness gracious, I survived the war.

This is the moment I've been looking for for 365 days.

And the first thing he finds out when he comes back is that his brother in Vietnam was just killed.

And this is Terry Judd, kids.

Okay.

I thought we're going to go with.

Nope.

Okay.

Hold on one second.

Terry's the big gray hair gentleman with the sunglasses.

Yep.

This I think is Jack.

You're going to do Jack first.

Let's do Jack first.

All

right.

Let's do that.

Here we go.

Well, Jim, for yourself, somebody who survived really dangerous times in Vietnam, what does this mean when you see some of the young, young people that never really

made it back?

Well, it's surprising that how many of them I already knew.

But when I look back, we were all only 19 years older, so we were kids.

And I don't think any of us really believed in what was going on over in Vietnam.

But at that time, it was the draft.

I didn't get draft that I joined the Navy.

And a thing came up and they said, we've got this brand new thing over in Vietnam called a swift boat.

And we need gunners for them, but you can't get on them unless you volunteer.

Well, me like a fool threw up my arm and I was there for 13 months.

I've got a lot of good memories and a lot of good friends, but when I look back at the things that we lost during that time, it's unbelievable, but it's really good.

And I'm so proud of what Jack has done here at this display.

The pictures really, I

mean, the Vietnam wall is phenomenal.

but to see the faces of these young men.

Wow, I've gotten choked up.

I'll be honest with

you.

It's very difficult to not find somebody that you knew when you were over there.

I know in my own class in Nina High School in that class of 65, we lost several and I've been out here with several friends and they walk it right straight to their county and they all know somebody who's been there.

Jim, how do you want these young people on these walls to be remembered?

I would like them to be remembered as what they gave up for their country.

I mean, they put a lot out at a time when a lot of people were fighting against it.

So I give them all the credit in the world.

That's my great friend Jim.

He was a he was on the patrol boats with boats became the common thing that known as really really dangerous job and just a wonderful wonderful gentleman and and he was there and he lost He lost guys and he's from Appleton and he he lost guys in Vietnam We're gonna talk about a couple of other ones got another one here Todd.

Yep.

Okay guy with the sunglasses.

Yes, this is Terry.

What do you hear this story?

Go ahead

Any time now, Todd.

Tell

me about

you, your brother.

Well, my

name's Terry Judkins.

I have a twin mother named Larry Judkins.

And the message I'd like to send down is I don't really see any reason why you have to have twins or brothers in war zones.

In our case, we both enlisted.

I went in the Army, he went in the Navy.

I ended up over in Vietnam in January.

Larry went in the Navy, I wanted to be a paramedic, so he became a medical corpsman, and darned if he doesn't get transferred into the Marines as a medic.

So now you got him in the northern part of North Vietnam and me right below him.

And for my mother who's raising five children by herself to have twins in a war zone, it's horrible.

So what happened when my ETA came up, I served my full time and they made me leave.

And what happened was my twin brother was killed that morning at nine o'clock.

I left at six in the morning and I was, I didn't leave till nine o'clock that night.

And I never found out till I got back home to Milwaukee that Larry was killed.

So it's just a lot of burden on a family.

We all lost people.

But I don't think it's necessary.

I really don't.

You show me your brother.

Huh?

You can see that but then

he's

down over

here.

I just I just that was him showing he got pretty choked up there.

We didn't talk much as a picture of his brother Handsome young guy from this, you know the the graduate your brother's probably those graduation pictures really the hair is perfect and just The world is you know out there for them And seeing their pictures

listen to the voice.

Yeah, that's 50 years ago.

Yeah

and it's still as fresh as yesterday.

And

looking at the wall, it's hard to explain, but it's almost like, you know, yearbooks where you'd open up your yearbook and it's just all the pictures.

That's what it looks like.

Walls

of that.

All over 2000 that were killed from Wisconsin.

It just, it was, I got so choked up a couple of times, to be totally honest with it, because part of it is I had guys that I've interviewed for my books and things like that, and they were showing me their buddies.

And in fact, we have Chuck, Chuck Wallace, who's a great friend of ours.

And Chuck told me this story and it's okay.

I never heard the story before yesterday, to be honest with you.

And Chuck was a Marine from Green Bay Promontory High School and enlisted the Marines and got sent into a horrific area at Quezon.

Excuse me, Easter Sunday was a April 1st or whatever in 1968.

And they had a horrible battle on Hill 881 outside of Quezon, which was a...

Horrific battle in itself.

It's like one of the most northernest parts of South Vietnam just by the border of North Vietnam.

So anyway The Vietnamese had come in and they had just I don't want to say massacre, but they killed so many American troops.

It was unbelievable and Chuck was just this 19 year old kid He one of his jobs was going around picking up the bodies the dead bodies of his of his friends and stuff

And and he he went to pick up the first guy that was his sergeant that was and he like idolized this guy You know what I mean?

It was a and he he struggled in picking up the body and touching the dead body and the other guy who was you know, he's been around says He's dead move up pick him up.

You know what I mean?

You can't we don't have time for this type of thing.

So this is and but here's the deal Chuck didn't know about exactly, you know where he was from or whatever and

before we left he goes oh my god I found his picture oh and he's that's the first time he had seen his picture since Vietnam so this is our great friend Chuck Wellins United States Marine Vietnam and this is from yesterday at the event in Abton so Chuck you found a friend that you hadn't seen since what January of 1968 on a hillside outside of K-San in Vietnam correct

that's correct yeah

who is it

yeah he was

right here his name is Melvin L. Rimmel and I didn't even realize he was from Wisconsin until I start reading after I got back from Vietnam for a while and I looked it up because he's my gunnery sergeant and when we're up on a hill I'll post a case on.

I had a lot of respect for him already even though I was relatively new in country but it was real shocker to see somebody like that.

go down and my first real taste of what war was all about.

And you actually carried the first body you put in a body

bag?

That's correct.

It was the first one.

It's something I can never forget because it was a shock to see him dead and then to realize that this was going to be a heck of a year.

But it was just nice to see his picture here on the wall.

It really brings back memories.

Do you hear their voices?

Oh, yeah

Yeah, and when you watch the videos, which will be on our website at some point you will see the tears in their eyes.

So where's this?

Richmond you said pardon where is all this taking place?

Well, it's on Richmond Avenue.

It's you know, Jack Voight He you know what he also runs which is he was in politics, you know Jack politics for a lot of years, but he also runs that butterfly thing.

Do you know about that?

It's this it's this huge, but I don't see a museum just live butterflies.

Oh, yeah,

that's

it.

Yeah.

Yeah,

he owns it really he started it.

He that he yeah

Yeah, we take the kids

love

that that's very cool.

I didn't know that

yeah,

so that So tell me

it wasn't at that place, but it was just right on Richmond.

So you take

41 to Richmond.

Yep, and then you okay?

take it towards downtown, and it's right there.

He does a thing on Saturdays, something that we've kicked around about, because Nicolay Bank gave us all that money for our thing, our context.

What we want to do out at the Duck Creek Pub, it used to be the Duck Creek VFW, okay?

It's now Duck Creek Pub, but it's still where the VFW meets and everything like that.

We want to do a breakfast type things.

I even got a name for it, because Jack started up a thing called Vets and Friends for Breakfast.

Okay, and it'd be free breakfast.

I used to serve coffee.

That was the barista.

I was an unbelievable breed I was phenomenal

apron on

as a barista I should have because I ruined numerous things from spilling just being honest Yeah, but anyway, it would be free breakfast every and then they moved it to a church in Appleton That's but anyway, but Jack hosts of every Saturday hosts an event at his place free breakfast for veterans and but God I got a name for our thing.

Well, you got a name for what?

are free lunches

for veterans.

OK.

I guess that won't put your name.

OK, go ahead.

Vets and viddles.

That's not bad.

And that's kind of an army thing, right?

Yeah,

absolutely.

Vets

and viddles.

Vettles.

Vettles for vets.

I

bet it's for that's better.

Yes, I knew it.

I bet you that's he

always does that

to me.

You better check

that.

Yeah, I think that

one might be used.

That's that's pretty good.

You might want to.

Look at that.

That's a great name.

I was so proud of myself.

No, that's good, John.

You probably...

Oh, now you're being a dad.

No, no, it's good, John.

You probably read... That's good!

Yeah, no, you

don't want...

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But

they're

gonna your need to get a

okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay, Jim.

Thank you Yes or no have you and I both been the recipients of Badness on those kind of things naming things you go first

badness whatever.

Yeah, we tried a program

Okay, it just my idea.

I was a part of this you were promoted on our other radio so

Todd back in this is

a

long time

2003 is 2003 or four or five and I wanted kids to I wanted kids to read more so I had all our staff Go and read to fourth graders and then if the kids read a book

We would have somebody donate a can of food.

So it was read to feed.

So it was good that the kids were doing two things.

Learning how to read.

Win,

win, win,

win, win.

Right.

And then the food went to Paul's pantry, didn't it?

Oh, whatever.

So we started this program.

And thanks to you, you invited me on your radio show, a couple of these TV stations said, you know, this is a great idea.

And we got some smackdown letter from some charity saying, look, we already have that name.

It's like, okay.

Not competition, they're not from like, you know.

No, they weren't even from the state.

Oh, we're from Nina, so you, no,

no.

It's not a state.

And I'm like, wow, we're trying to do the same thing, aren't we?

I mean, can't we use this re-defeating?

No.

So anyway, that's why when John said, you know, the Beatles for Vets.

The Beatles for Vets.

And I think if you try to do what Todd said and turn it around and say, that's for Vittles, that's still, they'll put the smack there.

That's too bad.

But these people might be super nice to you, Johnny, and say, go ahead.

The more we can do for the better.

What do you think the odds are of that, Jim?

Huh?

What do you think the odds are of

that?

I'm just trying to be your daddy.

Can I put your name to

it?

I was upset though about that.

I thought, come on.

But anyway, because like you said, there's not,

you're not making

any

money on it.

You're not using it for

profit.

My thing

is, we're trying to do the same thing.

Well, it's just so you know, there it's a nonprofit

and maybe they

want to expand to

know

that's what I'm hoping Did you guys mention what Michael said?

I did not Michael says my no munchies.

It sounds like a weed thing.

Yeah, it does kind of sound like a weed thing Well,

you know what

college?

Oh, okay.

I'm good.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Go tell me the negative go ahead That was it.

I

just did okay.

Can I tell you the positive?

Yeah, okay

Minos Munchies, sponsored by the dispensary of Green Bay.

Yeah, that's exactly.

Okay.

Top that one.

No, I'm not going to.

That's what we were thinking.

But I think it's good to have, to brand something.

I just think that's people remember it.

They tell their friends about it.

So you want to come up with something instead of like, hey, we're having breakfast

for the

Vats.

It's like, okay, come on, make that into something.

I know,

I know, I know, I know.

But we got the money from Nikolay National Bank.

They're great.

They gave us, when we did the quarterback contest on my birthday and all the money left over is going towards the, what should we, I don't know, the name was lunch, whatever we want to do for, for veterans.

And we want to do it on a duck creek pub.

But Nikolay Bank is going to be sponsoring this whole thing.

And that's awesome of them to do that.

We got to come up with a name though.

It'd be nice.

Not the most important thing, but still I.

I would write to those people and say, hey, look, do you mind if I use that in Brown County?

They'll ask for something.

I swear.

I mean, when I was with my book, I had three separate different titles for one of my books.

And I kept getting letters.

The publisher said, no, that you don't want.

But part of that was because it wasn't a nonprofit.

You know, somebody's going to make somebody's making money off of that name.

And they, you know, so they get weird.

But your thing, I can't believe that.

And I was mad about that.

But because.

It's not like we're making money, right?

I mean,

not a lot.

I mean, I'm sure you took a cut, but I mean, how do you adopt a dog for $8,000?

Are they taking a cut?

Come on.

They gotta eat.

They gotta eat like really good food.

I thought I think about you every time I see that commercial where the guy's making dinner for this new date and she says, oh, what's this in the refrigerator?

Oh, it's for fluffier dogs.

You keep dog food in your refrigerator.

It's not dog.

It's actual meat.

It's meat and vegetables.

but it's still fed to a dog and he kicks around and the dog looks at it and he goes, you were so right about her.

That's funny.

I think of you every

because the dog looks at him and he goes, I know you were so

right.

You were right.

Yeah.

Oh, that's

funny.

Yeah.

You got to see that commercial.

Oh my God.

That's Jim and Milton.

Oh my goodness.

I want to mention that May is Mental Health Awareness Month as well.

Right.

And we're going to have some topics on that throughout the month.

But as we go forward, you know, we've talked a lot about on this program about the importance of mental health and how we're bringing it to light.

And it's just as important as your physical health.

It is.

It has to be.

Okay.

I got to bring up something.

I wasn't sure how I could approach this to be honest with you for that.

Yesterday, I had two people come up to me.

And just kind of thank me for a different, and I said, Oh, is your, you know, a loved one on the washes?

Well, they died from Vietnam, but, but didn't die in combat.

They committed suicide afterwards.

Yeah.

Two different people.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

That's still a casualty of war.

Absolutely.

So those two 2100 from Wisconsin, they're on the wall.

It'd be interesting how many others died later after coming home.

And that's something we don't talk about, no one talks about.

But

we have to talk about it.

I mean, I just, we don't, we need to talk about that.

So it's, okay, Don and I were just talking about this the other night, because we have our daughter, well, I shouldn't have said that.

But anyway, this girl that we know, anyway, she's just very strict.

Was a doctor in New York.

No, no, no, not her, the other one.

She's an entertainer in Nashville.

But it's very stressed out.

And she's like, just really having had just a terrible, terrible week.

And there was a lot of stuff going on.

Publishing is a tough business.

I didn't see my therapist twice this week.

I'm like, but that's healthy.

It's

healthy

to say, like

if I

wasn't feeling good, I'd go see my doctor twice a week.

If I was really, really feeling bad.

Our era, our era.

If we didn't, it was taboo.

They drank until they, and we were talking about that.

I was talking with a guy yesterday whose dad was a World War II vet.

And I said, did you, did you ever?

Nope.

Nope.

Didn't really, didn't really talk about it.

But they were encouraged not to.

And

even with the

Vietnam vets, their dads would be World War II veterans.

And they'd come home and say, well, I had a tough day one day dad up on this mountain.

Forget about it.

Nobody wants to hear about it.

Forget about it.

Isn't that the truth of those guys?

Tell me your dad wouldn't have been like, forget.

You know what?

I'm not a good

talker.

Yeah, it's like, oh, you're not a man.

It's

terrible.

So I want to talk more about the

mental health.

I want to get the people from the police department hired a couple of people that just focused on mental health, which I think was great that we did that or they did that.

So anyway, there's a lot we can bring in to talk about mental health this month.

This would be

good.

That'd be great.

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Here's John Mino and Jim Schmidt.

Hey, thank you very much.

Welcome back.

Thank you for playing all those excerpts from yesterday and Jack Voigt will hear from him later too as far as but what a great event yesterday honoring the over 2,000 Wisconsinites that died in the Vietnam War and as we were talking a little bit during the break in words and untold numbers afterwards because of post-traumatic stress.

Yeah

I mean, those are casualties of war as much as getting, you know, in combat.

Yeah.

So we're with Kelly North.

We're going to lighten it up here.

Kelly North Lee from Fond du Lac.

And she went to Fond du Lac High School, not North Fond du Lac, not Winnebago Lutheran, not whatever, not okay.

So let's make sure it is Fond du Lac.

She's a Cardinal.

Right.

And do you own FAMY, Fond du Famous?

Yes.

That's your company.

And we've talked to you before when we did our show out of Oshkosh.

And thank you for driving here.

You said it was a little.

The traffic,

yes, Oshkosh, no one knows how to drive.

No, that's true.

Why

do you think we, the last time, or one of the time we tried, remember that?

We tried coming to Oshkosh, and we ended up 20 miles from Milwaukee.

There's no signs.

No, and nobody knows how to drive.

So thank you for finding

us.

And me, I know how to drive too.

Okay, good, that's nice.

Stay in the right lane until I show up.

Okay, so thank you for coming here.

You are, I wouldn't say this, you're not the mayor, but you are,

a promoter of Fond du Lac.

Yeah, absolutely.

And this week or this month, you're focusing on teachers.

We are, yeah.

So teacher appreciation starts officially next week, and we launched this huge campaign with Wish Me A Rainbow Cookies, again, out of Fond du Lac, to bring cookies to all of the teachers and staff in the schools that are participating.

So we have businesses sponsoring, we have businesses who are coming with us to bring these cookies, and then

all of the teachers and faculty in the building for the buildings that we got sponsored will get cookies.

And you tell me that when you're an adult, you don't look back and somebody says, your favorite teacher, the impact that person made.

Teachers are unbelievable.

Huge

impact.

Yeah.

We talk about our favorite teachers, but a lot of these people who are very, very successful in life, you know, you'd like to say it, my parents or this or that, but not tend to the teacher that they say this.

They said they believed in me.

Yep.

And there's typically a few that stand out.

We're actually going to be doing some things to stay tuned for next

week.

I didn't mean to just something else Jim said about something.

He's like, oh, that's good.

And it's like, that was such a dad when you come home with a C plus.

You know what?

That's good.

You can do it.

But that is good.

So when he was talking about that, I just teachers are like,

no, this isn't for you.

You

need to find a new lane.

But so and you also video some of this too, don't you?

Company.

Yeah.

So tell me about that.

Yep.

So for the teacher campaign specifically, we did some videos specifically for the schools where the teachers got to come on and say, I love teaching here because, and we're going to make a bunch of short form videos showcasing why they love teaching in our area.

In our day, there'd be in a poster board that you'd buy from a store with a magic marker.

And a

Polaroid picture, right?

Absolutely.

Yeah.

I think what I think that what's really neat about that, Kelly, is that you're, you're honoring them today, this month, next week, whatever.

But.

Some kid might look at that and say, I think I want to be a teacher because we still need we need good teachers and desperately desperately.

Yeah.

So

why is there a shortage?

Oh, there's I don't know.

Okay.

My

tongue there.

Right.

Honestly, I've had schools contact me about being a substitute teacher for like, like if they had a war program or you know,

I don't think we're that desperate.

Wow.

You know what teachers can do they can either bring you up Yeah, I want to say what I'm saying is they are in desperate need of substitute teacher I mean that's something that you would be Mike Steve pack from Fox sports.

It comes if that's what he does.

Yeah, and that's They need teachers don't they

do absolutely.

Why is that your passion?

We always talk about what's the what's the button?

What's the hot button?

What's yours?

the teachers specifically.

Just in general.

The whole finding, promoting finding.

We love having people who don't just have a job representing a company for a job.

We love people.

We want to bring in all people that have something, whatever the trigger was and with the musicians, 99% of the time, what do they say Jim?

Special connection.

Exactly.

A teacher somewhere gave them the confidence to do that.

So we're big fans of that and that's what you do.

Okay, so tell us what is your what is your what was that spark that ignited the whole thing?

Um, so someone else was already doing a teacher appreciation campaign and I saw it and I was like

I love what you're doing.

Let's make it bigger.

And I

don't think she and I knew quite what that meant at the time, but we're now doing 28 schools this year.

Wow.

So 28 schools we're bringing cookies to.

So she's making them.

I'm helping deliver them.

We have businesses sponsoring them.

I mean, it was a whole thing.

Kelly, are all those schools in Fond du Lac?

Are they around the area?

They're in the area of Fond du Lac.

So within about 20 minutes or so, I think we have Ripon, we have Campbell Sport, we have Eden.

I'm sure I'm missing a few but Bonnie Springs Springs.

Yep, St.

Mary's

so okay I don't mean to bring this bad, but anybody that went to parochial school Ron Connelly lords Notre Dame Monashia St.

Mary's Central They want no part of final X brings succeeding in anything.

Oh, they

were yeah sports right

back in the eight

70s 80s you guys were

really really now even now, okay?

Your coach finally, or the coach finally retired, didn't he?

Coach Highland.

I'm a little out of the sport.

It's just so funny, though.

You mentioned Fondie Springs or somebody that went to run Kali or Pennings or whatever.

It's like the school

thing.

It just runs

deep down.

Exactly.

We talked about that, though, about how much your school, you know, it's pride.

That's your pride.

Yeah.

Go ahead.

More about your company.

Tell me more about.

So you're doing this teacher thing now, but you do things all year.

Yep.

So we feature different businesses and nonprofits in Fond du Lac in the surrounding areas.

We started to get out to Chabuigan, Oshkosh specifically, and kind of the 30 minute, 45 minute radius.

So we can tie in things to do in the area of Fond du Lac.

So many people say, you know, there's nothing to do.

What do we do?

How do we find all this information?

And there wasn't a designated source.

And so I kind of saw that.

and took the lead on doing some content for it and it has just exploded.

So someone who would go to your website would be looking for...

the event and then you support and you show the business.

Tell me a little bit more.

I want to get the connection to the consumer.

Yep.

So one of the biggest things that we do is we feature the different businesses and nonprofits in the area.

And what we do is just ask them how they got started, what their passions are, why they do this, you know, what sacrifices it took to

get them there.

Which is so important.

Oh, it's great.

I love those stories.

It's

the conversations you don't otherwise hear.

You go and support a business, but you don't know necessarily

why they got started or what they're doing to make this happen.

And there's always some cool boxers.

How'd you come up with the name?

And so much of it is we're sitting at the table or this.

Yeah, just something, or my kid said something like, I like that name.

You know, it just,

yeah.

It just sticks, yeah.

You're an idea person, aren't you?

I am, yes.

Would you do me a favor?

Uh-huh.

Come up with a name for our free food, dinner, lunch, breakfast, work or do for veterans.

Okay.

Because I wanted vets and vitals and we got Texan taken, taken, taken.

Coming up.

I mean, you're

right along the right line.

Yes, that would be fun.

That would think about that for us.

All

right.

Yes.

Well,

okay.

Well, part of it was because Jim was a pothead in college.

Yeah.

High school.

Yeah, I

grew up.

I was

a great.

Okay.

Yeah.

All right.

So

what are you working on?

What's coming up in the future?

Let me just say this though.

When you put a sign in your dormitory door and said, Hey, do you want to get high on Saturday?

Nobody questioned what it was until you told me it was be skydiving.

They just assumed.

Oh yeah.

I really Kelly, I did do that because I wanted to go skydiving.

Okay.

I'd never flown before, but I thought skydiving would be a fun thing to do.

So I did put a sign in the lunch room.

You want to get high, you know, call room 212, which is the room I lived in.

And

Yeah, John's right.

They probably didn't know of us about skydiving.

No, I wouldn't have had that.

But both we had, I think, 16 or 18 people.

It was like half price.

And we got enough people.

We all drove down there and did it.

Were they also high on the way down

there?

She's on the way back.

On the way back.

On the way back.

On the way back.

On the way back.

Yeah,

that makes

sense.

What?

Your mom is listening.

She does.

Your 90-year-old mother is listening.

I was the designated non-smoker mom.

Right.

OK.

The DD.

The DD.

Something like

that.

All right.

What else are you working on with your computer?

One thing in common our favorite one of our favorite hotels is downtown final act.

Is it all the right law?

Yes.

Yes.

It is beautiful.

We love the Northland.

Yeah, but there's a seriously like what it's David K word like people don't travel along you go to find a lack.

Yep.

And you stay at that.

What's the name of it again?

The right law the right law

Beautiful bar.

I mean, it's almost like the legacy type of thing in Fond du

Lac.

What a great place.

Very upper class too.

Kelly,

I've got an idea for you because that place is reportedly haunted.

So if you want to do something fun around Halloween with haunted locations.

Oh, we have things planned.

Can we do a

show from there?

Let's do that.

Yeah, we could

do

a show.

I would love that.

We're going to explore like haunted places of Fond du Lac in October.

I'm so

he's got all

the equipment.

Yes, you should come with

us.

He's

like

a

national expert.

That's not true.

But yeah, I mean, I was on a TV show and I've done years and years of, did you ever hear of 60 minutes?

He wasn't on it.

No, I that's, and I was telling you earlier that, um, it's funny, there's some great communities.

I mean, final, obviously one of them, but, you know, Appleton, Sheboygan, but they just don't have the name of Green Bay.

And that's, I think.

The population is only 10,000.

It's within striking distance, maybe 25,000, like Appleton.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's just not really so much a number thing.

But let me ask you this.

Fine.

OK.

But I'm just curious.

One of the things that Jim and I actually hate to say it, even though we've lived here for how many years, like when we go to Oshkosh, we're like, we're discovering Oshkosh.

Oh my god, you need to see this one bar.

And they're like, um, yeah?

It's, you know what I mean?

Like.

Okay, you idiots, maybe you should venture out of Green Bay and go to these other places.

Yes, and Fond du Lac is one of those places.

We have a lot of really good spots.

Have you guys, are you foodies?

No,

look at

us.

The sweet and salty pig,

never disappoints.

I'm

almost like Somalian.

Get

this, so that's the sweet and salty pig.

That's not

good just,

I know.

Delicious.

What is

it?

So they have a lot of breakfast food, like if you're into eggs by the day, which I am.

die hard for eggs by the dick, they do it in all sorts of different ways.

And it's always different.

Time

pioneer road in Fond du Lac.

I know exactly where it is.

Okay.

You're talking our language.

Keep going.

Yeah.

Keep going Kelly.

Smothered in sauce.

They have these tachos that are in the shape of a tea and they're cooked perfectly every time without fail.

Um, and they're like litter little tater tots.

Sweet and salty pig.

Sweet and salty pig by the way road trip.

Yeah, not even a question.

Let's do a show

from there Okay, so tell me I like what your company is doing because I think that exposure

is something Todd get if we did a show there and they brought us breakfast and we're talking with like food in our mouth

That's every day here