Flexing Muscles and Mulling Over the Draft

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You know what you thought the draft was big What we got next I know I

know they don't they're not make me feel good about myself.

I'm gonna say no right off the bat I've never

you know I've been losing I know

I was gonna come in today.

I was gonna brag so much about I've been eating flounder to slow down with protein

and Omega Yeah, yeah, it's I've been eating so much flounder.

I feel I let's ask these guys because yeah, these are hard bodies Let me just ask you introduce yourselves first.

Okay, then I got a question on health and wellness food But then we're gonna talk about your best because

we're gonna look like you in that picture.

Just

show my guys soon All right, you guys this is great introduce yourselves.

Hard

bodies.

Yeah, I'm Paul.

I'm Paul handler.

I'm the

Cole promoter of the Green Bay Hard Body Show.

It's coming up May 3rd at the Meyer.

And then I got a couple competitors.

Introduce yourself.

I'm

Derek.

Step on

to the mic, buddy.

Get close to the mic.

I'm Derek.

I own a business, Countrywide Innovations, LLC.

This is my second year competing in Green Bay Hard Buddies.

You sell it

from the UP.

You from the

UP?

No, I'm originally from Tennessee.

Oh, OK.

You're trying to hold up more attention to me around here.

It's like, I know

one place you're not from.

Derek, Countrywide, just tell me about what you guys do?

We do Homer Innovations.

OK, all right.

We do a lot of remodels.

commercial residence.

Fun job.

Great.

Yeah.

Very busy.

Very physical.

Thanks for sponsoring this too, because you can't do this stuff without sponsors.

We appreciate that.

And

Molly.

Hi, I'm Molly Tynan.

I'm here from Fond du Lac.

I also own a business in Fond du Lac.

I own a women's kickboxing gym.

This is my fourth year competing at the Green Bay Hard Bodies in the figure division.

Outstanding.

Outstanding.

How did you get into this?

I mean, were you an athlete before this or?

Gosh, no.

I was probably the most unathletic child and teenager.

I spent a lot of my teenagers in the hospital.

That's a story for a different day.

But I was very unathletic.

It wasn't until high school that I started weightlifting and fell in love with getting fit.

Wow.

Paul.

Be careful with this question, but you're a little older than these two.

Yeah.

Did you get into this when you were her age and now you're just winning the trophies or did you get in a little bit

later?

No, my story is when I turned 40, I told my wife, I want to do something for us.

We have four kids and I said, and she goes, what are you going to run a marathon?

I'm like, no, I'm not a runner, but I worked out every winter being that I own a landscape company here in Wisconsin.

You get, you lay the guys off and you go to the gym and

You work out, and then when I turned 40, I did my first competition.

I got sixth place.

And then Warren, our co-promoter, he kind of pulled me under his wing.

I'm at him at a gym, and we kind of said, like, let's start a show.

Let's move forward.

And he's got a 24 years experience promoting bodybuilding shows.

So I pulled.

right under his wing, you know, and he kind of showed me the ropes and how to do it.

Can

I just throw one thing

in about

you guys though that I want to make sure people understand this.

This is a no-drug body

building.

Yeah, we're all polygraph tested.

So go ahead and expound on that.

Yeah, we're all polygraph tested at registration, like the night before Friday, at our host hotel, the Quality Inn, and then they get polygraph tested, weighed in, registered, tanned, and then the next morning they get tanned again.

Girls and

you spray that on

yeah, we have a miss Tina.

She's coming up from South Carolina I'm glad that

picture show me wasn't natural from standing out the Sun.

No

I love being that dark like I that's like I will I want to be that dark all the time

and we want to get people to come to this This is interesting.

We don't have a lot of these events.

We have a great theater, you know

thousand seats.

How does this work though?

Do we, is it, do you cheer or do you, what do you guys do?

Tell me how it works.

Well, the

coolest thing about our first show was at the casino during the COVID years and then we had to do all the regulations.

But then now this is our fourth year at the Meyer and having, you know, being in Wisconsin, having a bar and getting a little, getting some of the audience a little sauced up.

It gets rowdy.

It's loud.

I

mean,

we bring in the crowd too.

We have

We have best arms, so all the guys will come up and throw, you know, throw their arms up, women too.

We have best- The

gun show, welcome to the gun show!

Exactly, so they get pretty

rowdy, it's fun.

Wow, and people compete in, how does that, is it age, is it weight class, how do you- Yeah,

we do, well there is weight class, and then there is age class too, so masters is over 40, so, but you can compete.

If you're older, you compete in the opens.

That's what we call open.

We have junior divisions and stuff like that.

But it's fun.

I mean, it's a natural organization, so we're kind of all on the same playing field, if you will.

And you don't have, you

know, people might think, oh my god, it's got to be 280 pounds of...

No,

that's totally the opposite

of the way it

used to be,

right?

Yeah,

exactly.

I mean, can I just ask you how much you weigh?

Tell me, I'm sure it's official that you got to weigh in, right?

Actually, women don't weigh.

Oh, they don't?

Oh, I'm sorry.

Well, that's OK.

OK.

Did Dad tell you never ask me that?

But I

mean, I thought, you know, with boxers, everything has to be wrestling.

My stage weight's about 145 pounds.

OK.

And you, okay,

I offered you a piece of

cheesecake crinkle from Uncle Mike's and you're the only person I've ever known to turn something

like that.

I do love Uncle Mike's.

But wouldn't you burn that off in like literally a minute and a half?

Like what kind of workouts do you people do?

Because you have to control your weight aside from the rest, correct?

Correct,

yeah.

I mean, almost like Jim was a wrestler at one time, but you know, which

is

hard

to

believe, but you never

know

now.

So Jim would know about the cut then.

So we go with a lot of our

You know, competitors will go into a bulk phase.

That's where we put on as much weight as we can in a period of time, and then we go into a cut phase.

And some are different.

Some are 14, 12 weeks prior to the show.

Which I think is different than wrestling.

No, we didn't do that.

We were always in the cut phase.

Yeah.

And thank you for not finishing that story.

Yeah, I didn't know what to talk about the marijuana thing.

Whether

we got a Texer, hey, I know these guys.

Trainer Rick Fox Fitness.

Oh, yeah.

He's one of her.

All right.

That's, that's my trainer.

Yeah.

That's your

trainer.

That's my coach.

And how did you get into this?

You were, you, you, you builder, host repair, I guess.

Um, Tennessee and I've always been in a weightlifting off and on.

It wasn't very consistent and never competed.

And one year, funny story, but.

I decided that I wanted to switch from a sports bike to Harley.

I didn't like the way I looked on it.

I was like, man, I got to get back in the gym.

So I got in the gym and after

a

year.

Yeah, that's always a really, yeah.

And then consistency and everyone kept telling me, hey, you should compete.

You should try it.

And this and that.

And I was like, all right, I'll try it my first time.

I tried it.

I loved it.

And I don't see my time.

That's different.

You're out there alone.

Oh,

yeah, I mean that's like almost about a beauty pageant whatever date, but there's nothing Wow, that's from being like behind the scenes in the business to just really get out there and put yourself out in front of an audience and

you loved it.

I loved it.

Yeah the socializing with people the amount of knowledge you gain the physical mental emotional strength that you build I mean, it's just

I absolutely just fell in love with it.

I was one

of the things you guys brought up earlier, okay?

But you said I love working out you said that earlier and Molly you said okay?

Do you love working out or do you love seeing the results from working out?

Seeing the result

exactly I'm more of

both.

Are you?

Yeah, I do Derek.

I enjoy that aspect of it.

All right.

Yep.

I think it's a

Amala, you're really a loser just so you know

for that.

I am probably the rare bodybuilder who hates the time in the gym.

We can be bodybuilders.

This is going to be fun.

This is Saturday, right?

We'll talk about that, but this is the Green Bay hard bodybuilding and figure championship.

Is this the championship for county, state, how does this

work?

Well, this is actually a super pro qualifier.

So we actually have six states represented.

We have

seven

pros

coming from all over.

We have a couple from South Philly.

We have a couple that signed up for the first time.

Jesse and Savannah, they're kind of a big deal we put out there.

But yeah, you have to have at least five in the category to win a pro card.

but since this is a super pro qualifier, so if you had like two in lightweight, three in middleweight, and four, as long as there's at least five in the total category, they all go up against an overall to win the pro

card.

And how do you win?

Is it the audience or is it the judges?

No, the judges.

And how many judges are there and what makes them qualified?

Well, all of our judges, most of our judges actually we are shipping in or are flying in, so they're not.

There's two or three locals, but most of them are all from other states.

Is he saying we don't have fit people?

No, I

think I

heard

that.

It's a

roundabout.

No, it's good.

No, right.

No, we do that is so it's fair because somebody knows anybody knows anybody.

You could have a.

You could be training with them at a local gym or something.

Molly, I have to ask you, you said you weren't an athlete.

How did you flip that switch from, and I don't want to get into your hospitalization time, but what gave you that mode?

And we talk about this no matter what, whether it's business, no matter what it is, there's something deep inside that really is the motivator for somebody.

Can you tell us what yours was, Molly?

So I was pretty fit in high school when I started weightlifting.

I actually had my daughter when I was 19, so right out of high school.

that paused that for a few years for me.

I was working as a pharmacy tech, and the cleaning lady asked me if I was pregnant.

I wasn't.

So that was my motivation to get back into the gym and training.

Can I be honest with you, Todd?

I did that at our old station.

I know you did that.

Remember that?

Yes.

And she wasn't.

Yeah, I know.

I was not.

So I was like, ooh, I think it's time.

Did that pay dividends like it did for Molly?

Well, I almost got fired.

Other than that, yeah, a lot of differences.

I'm here with you.

That's great.

So really, that was it.

A lot of times, people say, what got you into it?

We haven't found that trigger yet, but pictures.

It's like, oh my god, I saw this picture.

You got a reunion coming up.

It's like, you know, and everybody else looks good except you.

So that's cool that that comment, which I'm sure she felt really bad about making, that got you to where you

are.

OK, so you get into the gym, and we've all blocked

the gym.

Start stopping.

And

you do it, and you whatever, whatever, whatever.

But you got into that gym and you didn't leave.

Okay?

98% of the people leave.

You're the 2%.

What kept you there?

The changes.

As I saw changes in my body, I became addicted to it.

So like you said before, when you see the changes you're making, I wanted to keep going.

And those changes don't happen to us 2%.

Not a lot.

They do, you just gotta get there.

I know, I

know, I know.

But then once you get that

ball rolling, that's where it gets infectious, so I'd imagine.

I want

more of this, right?

Absolutely, absolutely.

Jim, do you still go to the gym?

Because you don't talk a lot about going to the gym.

Not even your personal trainer.

It used to be.

Did

you fire your

personal trainer?

Like, so we're talking with Green Bay hardball.

Yeah.

To your champions.

How many do you travel to get these awards?

Yeah, I've traveled to multiple states to compete before.

Really?

Yeah.

I've been to the universe five times now, down in Florida.

The Mr. Universe Contest?

Well, it's the NGA universe.

That's our organization.

Okay.

Now, everybody that wins their pro cards at any NGA show is eligible for the staircase to the universe.

So you can't, you can compete at the universe as an amateur, but to compete at the universe as a pro,

You have to win your pro card or win a first place in a pro division through that year.

We're going to talk about tickets and seeing this thing.

That sounds like a great evening.

With the National Gym Association, Green Bay Hard Bodies natural competition.

It's coming up.

on this Saturday, right?

Yeah.

This

Saturday.

It's like this Saturday, May 3rd, 11 o'clock, $25 general admission, $40 for the final, $65 for every section, $10 for $12 and under.

We're gonna talk a lot more about how you guys got from some other person

to

these people that have the confidence to walk out on stage and little, like the kind of speedos I wear, you know, to the beach and jogging and things.

Exactly.

So, we'll be back after this.

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you.

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97.9 that my former partner was Nick.

I had it for 17 years.

It's hard to, yeah.

36 degrees in Green Bay, 36 in Alpton, 36 in Oshkosh, high today of 56, cloudy, a little bit windy, and we were talking with some folks who are impressive, just to say the least, just very impressive, and we're talking about the competition coming up this Saturday at the Meyer.

Paul Handler, Derek Boswell, Molly Tynan, is I pronounced that right, Molly?

You did, yeah.

All right, you know, it's kind of cool, Jim.

You know, when you're like 13, 14, whatever, it's like, hey, how cool is your, my dad's cooler.

Okay, you know who, when she goes to school says, my, what are you doing this weekend?

I'm going to watch my mom in the national hard body competition.

What are you doing?

That's gotta be a little bit of a thing for her, right, Molly?

It is, it's funny.

So I actually teach kickboxing at my daughter's school as well.

So I'm there on Wednesdays, typically, and I hear all the kids like, oh, that's Emmy's mom.

She's a bodybuilder.

That's awesome.

Love

it.

Another dividend besides health, right?

Exactly.

All right.

And, you know, this is radio.

I wish we had TV because these pictures are unbelievable that you're showing.

I mean, these people are like... And nationwide they're coming in here.

Right.

And the fittest of the fit.

Yeah.

You know.

In the

natural world, yeah.

I would say that these are the elites of the elite.

Right.

So, I just want to get this squared away because it's 11 o'clock people get there to start watching.

Is that what you would encourage them to do?

So,

11 o'clock is our pre-judging.

It's where all of our judges...

Line up we go through our categories so that that's where the goal turn quarter turn to the right quarter turn to the right And then they go through mandatory poses.

Okay, and then we'll have a pause or an Intermission and that's where the judges take all their tallies together and they figure out whose first second third fourth and fifth

got

it then our not our final start at Well,

I think it's just

three and then we'll have a we have

John Abbott and the posse coming to do the national anthem.

And then I'm a special guest poser.

I can't compete at my show because if I win, probably nobody will come next year.

So I just I want to compete too.

So I I'm going to do my own routine.

Is there music behind?

Oh, yeah, everybody picked you.

Yeah.

What's yours?

Right now, it's a we're the

champions.

Yeah, no, it's

a band called Ying Ying.

But I've done like Selena Gomez.

I've done like

Seven dust.

I've done a couple.

So do you coordinate it right to the music?

Oh, that's what you're going to kind of tell the story through your movements.

So Derek, what's your song?

What music do you have when you're out there?

Mon's.

Well, last year was something from Tennessee, right?

Last year was because last year was bodybuilding names physique.

This year, I'm just doing this physique, but it's a little bit lighter for my routine.

Like what are

your favorites to pick for

that?

I do like whiskey Myers and I do like impressionables, which is completely different.

Yeah, I'm going way

back.

You wouldn't even hear but I could see you being a Molly hatchet kind

of

guy

I've heard of Pretty cool for the the audience right because I mean they want to see you but

Christmas trees are to the lighting

Last year I did Betty get money by Young Gravy and this year I'm doing my Humps by the Black Eyed Peas.

Really?

Alright.

Little old school there, huh?

My Humps, my Humps, my lovely lady bumps.

That's

the one.

Alright.

Thank you.

No, I mean I could go

on.

No, please don't.

Cause I work out to that too.

It's one of those songs that gets you going.

Wow.

I like it.

And the Meyer Theater, I thought a lot of people have been there.

It's been there for a while, but that's...

The bars, the great venues, great seating, sightlines are perfect.

We

have one of our competitors, Jason Robinson.

He's coming from South Philly.

He's a two-time pro.

He'll be competing.

That just sounds like he's tough.

Yeah.

Where's he from?

South Philly?

South

Philly.

He competed at 11 Shoals last year, all over the name.

Wow.

And he said, by far, ours was the best venue and the best organized.

Event that he was at including the universe.

Sorry universe, but that's this is something I always

try to we always try to weave and and and then get around to how can you guys help us affect us Weightlifting only or do you guys do cardio because you guys get when you cut weight like that because our man big Wayne who we mentioned used to be and he would do the same He would load up load up load up and then I think back in those days people used to use some of the

Things that are off the market now, too.

That's

why we're all polygraph tested.

Exactly.

But it was to lose weight to

cut diuretics.

So people like us were always trying to lose weight.

Give us some advice that when you guys need to shed a few in a hurry, and it can't be anything stupid like working out really hard.

Something more

doable for us.

And this is crazy.

I didn't

mean stupid, but I mean something that we won't do.

But how do you guys do it?

Because I've seen that in

person.

Well, I think, you know, there's going to be certain things that we were not allowed to take and certain things we can't take.

But I've started finding that dandelion tea starts like it cuts you.

And like dandelion leaves you can buy them.

I grew up on

living, he's called a LaDiche.

I wasn't

gonna tell you anything.

But we eat the dandelion greens and then my grandma would make wine out of the rest of

it.

So that's why I'm

so healthy.

So that's, I mean, that's my little, I'm starting it.

I felt like it's working for me.

I

love it.

How about yourself?

Biggest thing is dieting just I mean you can cut out anything that's got a lot of carbs or sugar Okay, we don't want anything extreme here.

We're not going to do normal things we can do.

Well, I mean that's that's normal for me.

I mean you want some more cheesecake?

Oh, yeah

I don't think there's anything quick about it.

I've been in prep since January, and to keep the muscle on and lose the body fat, it takes me 20 weeks.

Oh,

really?

How do you

guys work out about in a week?

Yeah, in a

week.

I try to, well, I do hard-scaping, so I'm working pretty much all day, lift and block, building retaining walls, but I do about 45 to an hour.

Day.

Yeah, you guys look great.

This is gonna be fun.

So this is Saturday at the Meyer theater you get your tickets We're getting our tickets here one eight hundred eight nine five zero zero seven one The day of the show you can buy your tickets or call the rush center box office.

So all right We can do that.

You got a

man's plus sixty category.

Yeah

classic men's physique you come back next year.

I'm in

Yes.

Yes.

We're here next year.

It's going to be bigger and better.

We're a couple of seconds left.

I just want to say you can't do these things without sponsors.

And we sure want to thank Darren Muffler.

Those guys are great company.

Obviously, your company right here, Countrywide Innovations, the Auto House, those are friends of ours.

But yeah, just come out and support this.

The draft is over.

We need something to do this weekend.

That'd be great.

Thanks for being coming in.

Awesome.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

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Impressive, right?

Yes.

Green Bay hard bodies.

Yes.

Nick, cheese curd Nick asked him to stick around because I still want to do a little bit

post draft discussion with you, um, more to help the people in Pittsburgh than I want to hear what you have to say.

But, um, no, this hard bodies thing.

Is that, is that now on your bucket list?

No,

absolutely not.

So I did CrossFit.

Did you?

No, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, I did, I did the CrossFit when it was the championships were in Madison.

I did CrossFit.

Like I did the event.

You know what I mean?

I went down there and you

sold cheese curds at a CrossFit.

Yeah.

So we did the event.

I thought when you said you did, no, no, no, no,

no, like

I had.

So it's crazy.

And all those, so what they do it, like what they said, they train, train, train, train, train.

but like right after the event, right after the event, then they do the, like she said, it takes forever to lose, but one after the event is done, they just garbage, they're like a garbage pit.

Like wrestlers after they make weight.

Yeah.

Just marathon runners.

And it was everybody's like, you're going down or to sell?

Well, what I did, what I went down, I did cheese curds, I did shrimp and I did perch.

High protein.

Yeah.

And it wasn't, long story short, I was a loser at that one.

And it was because they flooded the, the first year of CrossFit, they only had like 12 food trucks or 12 food vendors.

Well, then the next year they, because they all had three hour lines, then they opened the floodgates and then there was like 60 there and then nobody made no money.

But anyway, it's crazy what knows CrossFit people are people that work out like that after they're, they're done with their, their event, not their workout for the day, but the event that they're at that, like their garbage pits.

But the money that you make before that is people who are the spectators.

But then after, right?

And then after, they kind of let loose.

So a little, I was telling them that after the draft, people are kind of like getting over, they want something to do.

That'd be fun.

And you see those categories they got?

Over

60?

Yeah, yeah.

Well, like even the CrossFit games, like there's, you know, there's like a triathlon.

There's all kinds of stuff for like the, for the world.

the best ever

CrossFit person or whatever.

All right, so someday we're all gonna look like that.

Hey, we got some more techs here about the draft.

Oh, yeah, we're here.

Todd, I know you've been holding some of those, so go ahead and get a chance.

I got this text here coming in right now.

This morning's conversation on the draft is an important and frank discussion.

Vicki, got another one here.

Molly, if you're listening, got another text here.

Good luck, Molly, from FitGeek.

It's not me, but somebody else knows about that handle.

Yeah.

So I think what Vicki was saying that it's important.

I think it's important that if we're going to ask people to invest money, which is what you did, I mean, whatever you said, $28,000, that it's not guaranteed you can't continue investment, but that it probably

would work.

And this is not just a draft.

So when you're what I'm doing,

food, you know, food truck and food, tending, whatever you want to call it, a concession person.

Okay.

Whether it's a Green Bay farmers market or the draft, the guy, I was that, in fact, it was that CrossFit.

A guy told me that I know he said, I'm not a gambler.

I don't go to the casino.

I don't bet on games, but I'll tell you what, our profession is a hundred percent gamble because you're relying on the crowd.

You're relying on the weather.

All that stuff.

And he says, we could totally lose our butts at any given moment.

We're gambling with our lives every day.

It's not like you guys come in and you guys are like clock punch.

You have a job every single day.

No matter what, no matter if it's snowing out there or sleeting or sunny or windy or whatever, you're coming in and you're getting paid to where it's us.

Like, all those vendors, you're gambling.

You're 100% gambling, you know?

I would agree with that.

But

tell me, do you think your product, you had a good two, three days, it reminds me of a couple times.

People that tried the desserts or tried the candy, do you think they should have just stuck to our knitting with, because you are cheeseburgs, brats, and hamburgers?

Well, my menu is...

is a Wisconsin staple.

There's no doubt about it.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

You know what?

You have barbecue, you have pizza, you got taco, you know, you got taco trucks everywhere.

But the, when you come, what do you, what do you think of when you come to Wisconsin?

Burgers, brats, cheese curds.

You know what I mean?

I think that helped you.

I'm an all American menu.

Like if, Jim, if you're, let's say you're not from around here and you don't know me and you come across my booth and you got your kids and your grandkids and all that stuff.

Are the kids going to eat necessary?

Is your five year old granddaughter or grandson going to eat brisket nachos?

Are they going to have a hot dog, right?

Yeah, or are they going to eat a cheeseburger?

And they'll all my menu works, you know, but there's other people that did those menus

get texture We're hearing two sides.

Some people are saying that the NFL told them they would be very busy Others are saying that never happened.

I'm interested in the real story.

How can we find out Rick?

Well, you're seeing

How can you find out right now?

You know, it's on Fox 11.

It's on WFRV.

I know they both, I'm sure Channel Two is going to probably roll something out, you know, and then what's his name from the Green Bay Tourist?

I forgot his name.

Yeah, I think he said yesterday, a day before they're doing a study and it should be out by June.

That's the economic impact.

I think what this, what, what, um, what this work is asking is, were people told to gear up?

Load up.

They were they were because you don't want to be caught with your pants down, right?

And nobody wants to miss an opportunity, right?

Because it's a one it's a once in a lifetime There's

another thing with the draft.

Here's another thing with the draft was this was very difficult for me

to figure out to plan.

And because- And by

the way, we're with Cheese Curt, Nick, just

in case I'm-

Who was a vendor

for

all three

days at the draft and

he's

worked

many, many, many events.

Yeah, I'm

the oldest, you know, the doghouse, if you look at the doghouse, I'm the oldest active myself, 18 full years.

And then if you look at the doghouse, the guy that I bought it from, he had, the doghouse has been around from its conception, a hot dog cart downtown Green Bay for over 30 years.

So the name of it, my business with the previous me and the previous two owners is 30 plus years.

Anyway, back to the planning.

There's no, like I have numbers for every witness or expert testimony.

Well, right.

I have numbers for every single gig that I've done.

I can scroll back and I wrote down notes.

If the weather was bad or whatever, there is no numbers to the draft.

No, there's absolutely not.

Back

to your question here.

So it's very difficult to plan.

So you're gonna sit there and say, on paper, yeah, we have 200,000 a day.

Now you can look at their 600,000 people, so you can break that down to 200,000 people a day.

And if you're there, you should be able to make sales.

You should be able to make sales.

So are you gonna go there with $500 in product?

No.

But they did tell you, they told you to bulk up.

Who's they?

Well, the news, the NFL, the,

you know, and I think that even in not just people here, but I think people in Appleton were get ready for this.

I think people in Manitowoc tried some things.

We had a guy in here from Door County who or Marinette, I should say, who shut all people in and they were gearing up as well.

And I'm just not sure that that all

happened, but well, and it didn't because again, it goes back to the conversation we had an hour and a hour ago is.

I think people like you said die hard draft people they were they weren't talking about

die hard for we're

here for one thing

we're here for the draft

hey do you want to go to this restaurant at six o'clock no there was none of that that I know no and that's the thing they're they're die hard they weren't gonna leave and they're gonna hit you know honestly if you've been at it's

not it's not I don't think it's just similar to going to the Democratic or Republican convention those people that go there

Boy, they are there for the politics.

They're the hardcore of politics.

People go to those conventions.

I think the most hardcore of NFL fans go to the draft.

Here's the other thing.

Let's just say you're not a hardcore, but you're coming in the draft.

You just spent 10 or 12 hours on the draft campus.

Are you going to be overly excited?

to drive 45 minutes to go somewhere.

Go back

to a hotel, take another shower, go out, come

here.

You're going to go hit up a bar close to the draft thing

and then go home.

I don't want to beat this, but I just ask one more time.

Why did everybody gear up and then lose their ass because nobody came?

Why did that happen?

Were they told it?

And then they said that they blew the numbers away, which we talked about that on the show on Monday.

That guy would not last very long with me because he, he's like, Oh, we did two and a half NFL guy.

Yeah.

We had two and a half times what we thought we're going to do.

You want to know why

they did that?

So they didn't.

So they always look good, Jim.

They always look good.

When they say, Oh, we interest, what do you say?

80 or 90,000 per day is what he said, but you guys shattered it.

Right.

But what I'm saying is if he would have said, we get that for a packer game, I get that.

But at the end of the day, he didn't want to look bad.

And I will say this they announced that I want to say 300 was the date when we went to that big meeting down just down the street here Whereas NFL people Green Bay people everybody involved pretty much and Lisa and I from Civic Media were there and I actually asked the question and he said 300,000 was what they were being told by the NFL Was 300 then that was the number wouldn't somebody yeah

But he I mean, that's you know, that was an official thing,

right?

But they're not gonna tell the NFL does not want to look bad So that's why they gave you that low number cell.

Okay,

exactly.

We're only gonna get a hundred thousand people there and the game is gets eighty thousand people

What makes you think people are going to be in Appleton and Manitowoc and downtown and and all these supper clubs and spending all this money.

It's just it's not worth it.

Right.

In retrospect, totally not worth it.

I don't get it.

I don't think there was I think there was a disconnect there.

There was a huge disconnect.

There was.

And I just like I told you when we were off the air, I just I feel bad that people lost money.

I so do I. Like I said, there's going to be food trucks that are they have they have a bill to pay Cisco, Reinhart.

They got to pay.

They have to pay.

They're going to be not get their order.

Right.

Next time.

And it's, you know, like I said, hot bitties, they posted, they have a thousand pounds of chicken that they prepped.

You know, I don't know if they're going to be able to hold on to that stuff.

I don't know if they can freeze it.

You know, so then you have to fire sale it.

Another barbecue guy did a draft.

He explicit, explicit word, the draft sale to dump all of his barbecue because he prepped the whole bunch of barbecue and it didn't.

Cool.

Got a couple of quick texts here.

Maybe I'm a simpleton, but only look at things simplistically.

But why would we have thought that Bay Beach would be a draw for a crowd that is focused on going to an event that happens during the day?

Great to showcase the beautiful venue, but common sense would tell us that this was not a Bay Beach crowd.

Hopefully the locals attended it.

Mike, got another one.

Nick says it's difficult to plan, but I remember him also sharing his formula to calculate the inventory, which was an extra 30% per day.

times three.

Would he adjust that if the draft rolled back into town again?

Well, I would.

Well, so that was my formula.

That's not, it's not like you look on online and it tells you that, but that was, that's what I went with.

And because if the draft, you know, that's the other thing they're saying in 15 years, possibly the draft's going to be back.

There's, there's rumbling.

Now, then I fell in and come on and say that, but they're talking about possibly, you know, it's, it, there's a good possibility that draft's going to be back in green Bay.

I have draft numbers.

Now, I have draft numbers, so all I have to do is scroll back whether it's ten years ago or whatever.

Well, we've had draft

numbers for nine years, right, when I went to Chicago.

Well, but I have my draft numbers.

Okay,

I got

it.

I want to get back to the Bay Beach guy.

I think that's a really good question.

I

did not think, when that came out, I did not think Bay

Beach would be busy.

Did somebody encourage them and say, look, you got to lean into this a little bit more, get this Bay Beach fired up, get some students who aren't here, but get some staff to work on this thing and open it for three days.

If it wasn't the right thing to do, don't you think someone would have said, I don't want you losing money

here?

I can show you some other bad ideas.

I can't say it.

No, I just can't say it on the air.

I'm not okay, but here's the thing.

I'll say this.

All 18 food vendors were on the opposite side of Lambeau field along with the porta potties.

How was that a good idea?

How was that a good idea?

Did

someone say don't do that?

No,

I'm saying inside the draft campus.

I know that's different.

Okay, that's what I'm talking about because the NFL did not want food trucks and they didn't want porta-potties in their view of Lambeau Field when they went live and shot back and forth How is that good that you have now the numbers came out?

200,000 people got to go to the west side of Lambeau Field to go to the bathroom and to eat How do you plan to funnel all those lines?

That's why it was an hour and a half to go to the bathroom That's why it was an hour and a half to get a beer.

How is that right people?

People did it, but how is that right?

We get to a quick break where Chase Kertnick in our final recap of

the NFL Draft.

Go Pat Gold.

Go Pat Gold.

Back of us.

Hey, how great was time coming up with what you would call it so quick the Humps the Humps

for that.

Yeah,

I

didn't know if you noticed that I

like the little Led Zeppelin open

We're cheese curd Nick here wrap it up on the NFL draft Jimmy had a good question for him during the break Nick.

I just

again It's going to Pittsburgh.

It's the handoff and they're gonna have to listen to this every day now for a year, but small business

Somebody does less than a million dollars in sales a year.