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I know it.

It's hard to say it that way, isn't it?

It

is.

And

stutter what'd she say

Now

I heard it

tell me the story why he stutters in

that well the story I heard I was just gonna bring that up The story I heard was that they opened for the who and you know the who have a song like that my generation

talking about my generation.

They

do it

there.

And so, you know, after they went on tour with the Who, they thought they'd rip that off a little bit and made up their own song where there's some stuttering going

on.

Is that what you heard them say?

Is that the story they told

them?

That is not the story that Randy Bachman tells in that documentary I saw.

Because he wanted to kind of fill in the spaces, right, where they would put lyrics or expand.

kind of a new song and he just kind of filled in by stuttering the words, right?

Well, now

I'm going to have to watch it all over you.

I don't remember what he said.

I

just wreck it.

I just blew your memory of it somehow.

I replaced it.

Sorry about that.

That's

okay.

I'll watch it again.

I'll take better notes this course we can probably do an internet search and get just as much useful information

if I had my AI glasses on why

aren't you

wearing them anymore if you've sent them back

No,

no,

I'm getting used to them at home now.

Have you gone a

little further?

You know

what the holdup is here?

What?

You have to attach it, not attach it, but you have to work with it via the app on your phone.

Okay.

And that means I have to open up the phone, the app.

watch what it does on the phone in order to get some of the answers that are required.

Okay.

Okay.

But anyway, I just look, I'm just working this deal.

So

but I'll have it pretty soon.

Well, clear up one thing.

So you say you have to open up the app on your phone.

You won't have to do that in the future.

This is just to set it up.

No, I've already had it set up.

You can see it keeps track of what you're saying.

What is in the AI?

It's there in the app.

And I can read it there if I wanted to, but I could also read it in the lens as we have done before.

But if it hears you ask another question, it'll answer that and get rid of the actual answer that we're looking for

in the first place.

You must have complete silence around you when you ask it a question.

I don't know if that's a good thing on the radio or not.

I'm just thinking.

Maybe this was a big mistake.

I don't know.

Now, have you heard about this AI that's AGI, generative AI applications?

I

don't know.

I

thought that's what Genesis is.

Or

artificial general intelligence.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's what

it is.

Artificial general

intelligence.

So basically the AI that most of us use right now, large language models is more digging through large amounts of data quickly and regurgitating stuff that matches.

Right.

A G.I.

artificial general intelligence is the concept of mimicking a human thought process and eventually being smarter than a person.

So

it

would be, hey, figure this out for me.

And it would be able to do it and confirm that it is correct as opposed to just telling you what other people have said.

So that's the next level.

Yeah.

Right.

Wow.

Interesting.

I'll tell you what, let's get to this story right here before

we go to Troy.

I want to

get to this because this is right up our alley here.

This was on 60 minutes.

It's an AI black box.

I thought let's just play the cut.

This is cut five.

AI systems are teaching themselves skills that they weren't expected to have.

How this happens is not well understood.

For example, one Google AI program adapted on its own after it was prompted in the language of Bangladesh, which it was not trained to know.

We discovered that with very few amounts of prompting in Bengali, it could now translate all of Bengali.

So now all of a sudden we now have a research effort where we're now trying to get to a thousand languages

There is an aspect of this which we call all of us in the field call it as a black box, you know, you don't fully understand and You can't quite tell why it said this or why it got wrong We have some ideas and our ability to understand this gets better over time But that's where the state of the art is

you don't fully understand how it works and yet you

turned it loose on

society.

Let me put it this way.

I don't fully understand how a human mind works

either.

So we had just returned human minds out to the public and I don't know.

Okay, we got us.

Okay.

Scott Pelle seemed like he was starting to panic.

He

was ready to run from the room.

He don't fully

understand it.

OK,

well that's a little scary.

Anything that's called a black box,

you gotta

scare the G lights out of you.

Right.

That is mind blowing.

It

is mind blowing.

Let's go to Troy now and not Horrib.

Hey, Troy.

OK,

first of all, I've never heard it said back then.

I've always heard it say box.

I know.

I'm with you.

I'm with you on that, except that he OK.

He pronounces it

back for himself.

Okay.

Well, that's the first time.

But maybe it's like the the apice apice brothers.

Oh, yeah.

Carmen apice.

Drummers.

Yes, Carmen.

One

of them calls it apice and one of them calls it apice.

Something like that.

Right.

Right.

Oh, no.

Oh, no.

Fabulous

drummer.

Which fits with me because

My name's Flume, my last name's Flume, and my grandpa always pronounced it Flume because that's the correct German, and my dad pronounces it Flum.

And

my

ex-wife always pronounced it Flum too, so that's why she's the ex.

And she didn't say the P either,

damn it.

The P is silent like in swimming.

Okay

I Get that Troy's got his own show going on there.

Thank you Troy appreciate that call 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 Give us a call.

Well,

let's get to uh, that's just a fairly entertaining bit From Saturday night live.

Oh, yeah, and I just thought you know if we could just this is

This is a situation where it's the baby boom, adults, the parents, they're into Trump, they really like Trump.

The kids are over with their loved ones, their wives and

husbands.

So anyway, the mom decides to make this announcement to the kids.

It's a big announcement.

She's having trouble getting to the announcement.

This is crisis

stuff.

And in the end, near the end, they are silent.

They are not supposed to react to what she's saying.

But there's pictures of them just going cringing and all that.

Let's listen to this thing.

This is great stuff.

OK.

What I have to tell you is I may have changed my mind about

Trump.

Do you want

this to be real or not?

I feel now like he might be bad for our

country.

I'm sorry, mom.

You gotta be joking.

We've been saying this since 2016.

Oh, I'm sorry.

I'm late to the perfect party.

Do I want this to be real or not?

Yes,

absolutely.

Then give me grace.

I feel like maybe some of the things he says aren't true.

Oh, man!

Bye, can I go back?

Bye, I take it back.

Mom,

come on, don't do that.

Guys, come on.

Can't you see this is hard for your mother?

Okay, Mom, we're sorry.

We'll be quiet.

Just say what you need to say.

Fine.

But I swear to God, if I hear a single I told you so, I will go see the Melania movie tonight.

You hear me?

Okay, stop.

The things that are happening no one could have seen

coming.

I feel like the way they talk about guns is different for different people.

made me feel worried about trans people.

But now I'm realizing I don't really get what the problem

is.

I'm starting to wonder if drag queens are actually hilarious.

Enough, enough.

Leave your mother alone.

Her laptop is old.

She gets a different internet than you.

What?

I don't know how that works.

That is how that works.

And this is vulnerable for me, OK?

You should understand.

What did I say when you came out?

You said, is it possible you just like hats?

Still waiting on the answer, babe.

OK, there you go.

Good stuff.

That's Ashley Padilla.

The timing

is amazing.

She's an ideal.

She is a fantastic.

She's a star rising.

Yeah,

she's the big news star on.

SNL, at least this season.

Yeah, very

funny stuff.

Good stuff.

And my mega friend in Milwaukee reacted to that.

I sent him the clip.

Did he like it?

He said it was funny, but he still believes in Trump.

Oh, well, okay.

Okay.

All right.

You know, there's no way of convincing them otherwise.

You know, we'd like, we'd like them to fall on board, you know, because it's, it's simple to be, you know,

Nice to people.

Well,

right.

I think with the release of you know, every time we got another batch of Epstein files, there's a few more Republicans that it's just coming around a little bit more, but you know

It takes time.

Apparently.

And while it does take time, but you know, there were so against pedophiles, creating scenarios where there's child trafficking.

They're always concerned about protecting children.

And yet this is the most incredible example of what they're talking about.

And it is their guy in the White House, involved with the most profound pedophile

we've

ever talked about.

Right.

That's the international sex ring that's been going on for decades, apparently.

And now maybe the KGB is bankrolling.

Bankroll Epstein, I mean, it just has so many tentacles to this thing.

You know, we

thought Watergate was big and complicated.

And, you know, it took Woodward and Bernstein a couple of years to track it all down.

Of course, that was well before the internet and all of that.

But Trump has a weekly Watergate.

It's almost daily.

Yeah.

But it really is amazing.

And they're finding out that, you know, maybe Russia did have a hand.

Yes.

in the elections

right in 2016

because

yes it's all in the Epstein files now Russia Russia yeah okay 19 past the hour a little short break here but we're coming back with much more of John and Gordy stay right where you are

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John and Gordy and Yeah, we're still reacting a little bit to the center in a live bit where I think you know the funny part of this Whole bit is that when she's leading up to her answer the thing she's going to say You

know, it's like she's making a special announcement.

Yes once everybody to know

But it's just so funny without even saying what she's going to say.

I just love it.

Let's go to the phones here.

We have Gary on the line from Sussex.

Gary?

Hey, Gary.

Hey, hi guys.

I grew up and I was a Democrat all my life.

And I voted for Jimmy Carter.

Okay.

He was the first guy I voted for.

I'm 74 now.

Okay.

Um, I voted for Ronald Reagan for the first time.

And I thought he's got it all together.

You know, an old Democrat, now a Republican.

I thought this is good.

Since then, I've never voted Democrat again.

Now, the skit that you just played, I didn't happen to see that.

Usually do what Saturday night, but I fell asleep.

So,

uh, when I listened to it, I thought it was funny.

Yeah.

And I can laugh at it.

I don't care how much fun they make.

Republicans can actually take jokes.

I mean, we are absolutely funny people and we can laugh because we don't take it as serious as Democrats.

You know, like this morning, I ended up talking to one of my customers and I never talked to them very often about politics.

But we had a nice discussion about Tom Holman and...

Biden and Trump and all that sort of stuff.

And she's from Lithuania, part of the Soviet

Union.

And she's not a citizen here yet.

But she hates Trump.

And I told her, I love Trump.

I'm Omega.

I'm proud of it.

But we had a really nice discussion.

And it was so nice.

And it's very rare that I can actually talk to a Democrat without them getting mad.

You guys are fine.

All the other guys on the radio station are great.

I do listen to both sides.

I listen to Fox, I listen to MSNOW, I listen to CNN, Newsmax

and

all those other stations or news nations.

And I hear both sides.

If I only listen to the left, I guarantee you I'd be a Democrat.

I really would.

because they would have everybody convinced that the Republicans are nuts.

But since I listened to both sides, and I really encourage your listeners and you guys to listen to both sides so you can hear both sides and make up your own mind, because they show things that cannot be fake that you guys never saw on the Democratic side, especially with Joe Biden, all this messed up senility that he had and everything else.

I like fighting.

I didn't, I never

hated them or anything.

That sounds reasonable.

I got to tell you here, you know, doing prep for the show, I go through a heck of a lot of what's going on on your side of the aisle.

So

I'm here.

I watch Fox News occasionally and news station and We search

everything

out.

We yeah, we try to program.

Yeah, we try to see what every side is Repres you know representing and then we

twist it into something left-wing That's that's

our usual plan

And you guys have a right to do whatever you want

I come on your show and I don't sit there and bow to anybody I Tell you how I feel and people when I first started calling up probably ten years ago.

I got such hate Dom and and my crew guys They they they felt like they had to protect me and one day One guy called up and said if you keep that Gary from Sussex on here anymore I'm gonna stop listening and you know Mike said he said he's good

for radio.

He has caused more people to call up.

And we kind of like him.

And you know what?

He even said, I didn't even know what was going on.

He says, we're going out to dinner with Gary.

And then

I

called up and I said, we are.

And he said, yeah, where do you want to go?

So we talked off air and we've gone out to eat a couple of times.

But I've gone to the ball game with them.

They call me up and invited me to the ball game,

you know, to

the board games and stuff like that.

So yeah.

Well, I think we all

got a lot.

I think a crew was in Milwaukee for a long period of time.

So we had a chance to see out there in Sussex, but you know, Madison's a little bit further away.

So I, I'd go off, you know, we love talking to you.

We like

it

in your opinion on

things.

When you call.

You know,

CJ is the Darth Vader of this station, but yet we get so many people referring to CJ all the time in their comments and on texts.

So, but we like having a conversation and that's what we like about you, Gary.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So yeah, call us again.

All

right,

thank you.

All right, Gary.

We'll go out to lunch sometime, Gary.

Let's see.

Son Gordy, by the way.

We've got a minute and a half here.

Let's go to Charles and see if we can squeeze in another call here.

All right, Charles, what do you

got?

Hey, good afternoon, guys.

The difference with Fox Entertainment, though, is that they don't report on...

The negative things about Donald Trump I guarantee you they said they they don't report about the SD files I mean what I heard this on the Stephanie Miller show this morning about what's in what's in the last dump of emails

Yes,

or or the I mean that should have been that should have been talked about all day today on the news

Yeah,

there should be no way that that stuff is out there at what these

rich men did to young girls, and that not be the talk of the day.

I don't understand it yet.

Fox may report on things, but they're never gonna report on the bad things.

That's right.

Well, that story is not going away anytime soon, so you'll be more and more on it.

Charles,

yeah.

They don't take a look at the bad side of what's going on in the Trump administration.

We'll

get to more of your calls here after a break for the Midwest Farm Report coming back with more of John and Gordon.

John Peterson and Gordon are young.

We're

truckin' along.

Yeah, we're

truckin'.

You know, in the old days, I always wanted one of those big vans.

Not with the windows, just a big van and wanted to fix up the inside.

Like a step van?

Like...

one of those.

Yeah,

like a step there.

Okay.

Yeah.

I mean, that's what they had in those days.

Great paintings on the outside of the van.

Right.

Or or you'd buy an old school bus or school bus.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And you paint that all psychedelic up and hit the road.

Yeah.

Let's go somewhere like the

Partridge family.

Yeah, just like that.

These are smaller school

buses.

Right.

Yeah, you

should be older.

smaller and some people you know they couldn't get that far you know into the money so they would probably try to get an old mail truck oh sure

yeah

yeah

just a beat-up

piece of

junk yeah for my sister's wedding we had a party bus to bring the bridal party yeah and

It was a school bus that somebody had spray-painted Matt Black, and he was like sitting outside, touching up the paint before we got in.

I'm like, oh no, this is bad.

Don't lean up against the bus.

It was very

funny.

Oh, that's good.

Okay.

Did anybody rub up against it

accidentally?

Thankfully not.

It also had a bed in the back of the bus for activities.

As we were explicitly informed, that's what it was for.

Wow, that's a

party.

We'll have to

hear more of that story.

Normally they don't come right out and say it or provide a bed, but okay, I'm there.

Let's go to Caroline right now on Heartland.

Hey, Caroline.

Well, hello there.

Gary always makes me think of two letters of the alphabet B and F, but I just wanted to say I don't think there are

both sides anymore.

You're either a traitor to your country or you're not.

And, you know, I could go on and on because we all know.

But I just had to say that he was right about something.

He makes people call up.

So there you

go.

There you go.

You're called.

You fell for it.

All right.

Thank you.

into the way we see it sometimes.

We see the obvious truth in whatever we're investigating.

But there's always somebody there to say, that's not the way it really is.

You're taking it out of context.

You can't really do that.

You can't say that.

But I just think sometimes, but it's good to have different opinions on the program.

always hope to have somebody a little bit different on the program.

Well,

yeah,

and there's so many big issues that we cover, you know, we cover the Epstein vials and of course everything that's going on in Minneapolis.

And there are a lot of stories that we just don't get to.

There's a lot of news going on that we just can't even touch because we don't have that much time.

There's so many huge stories that we're trying to follow.

And that fire hose of news from the Trump administration, every day they try to put out two or three things that are outrageous.

I mean, over the weekend, Trump was talking about, well, you should maybe take Cuba.

Let's just go take Cuba.

Exactly, right.

You know, just throw that out.

The Pope tweeted about that.

Did he really?

See?

And that's a story, suddenly.

I mean, just he throws out all kinds of stuff every day.

Just like Carolyn had to call.

Yeah.

You know, the Trump chimed in, Trump chimed, I mean, the Pope chimed in as well after Trump said that thing about Cuba.

Right.

So, I'll get my head in the right

place.

Well, no, and there were a couple other things that happened over the weekend, you know.

Just a few things.

I know that we mentioned Russia in all of this, and Steve went a little bit further with it.

He said, now we know that the Epstein was tied to the KGB.

He and Trump laundered money for them through the Russian oligarch money.

Right.

Now, we kind of knew we've always known that.

That's what Trump did in New York.

Right.

That's

what

he did with his buildings.

Yes,

Trump Tower.

He sold a number of the condos to Russian oligarchs.

Yeah.

Putin has dirt on Trump.

That's why he's trying to weaken NATO

and

he hasn't come to any kind of solution

to

the Ukraine

and that's from Steve and Steve and Milwaukee sent that comment in let's go back to the phones to Middleton and Matt.

Hey Matt.

Hey guys, how are you?

Thank you for what you do.

I just had to call in the second what the last caller said

What's happening with Trump and the fascism, it's not a two-sides issue anymore.

It's a moral issue.

And someone who changes from Democrat to Republican, there's something wrong with you if that's what happened to you because you obviously never understood the parties.

You never understood the philosophies, the ideologies of the parties.

Maybe you suddenly became concerned about your paycheck and your taxes and you just wanted to support rich people like I don't know why or how someone switches like that I'm sure he's a nice guy people can be nice, but you can be nice and also be supporting evil and That is what you're doing as a triple Trumper.

You are willfully ignoring the evils of this man of the party

and they are not even conservative.

They are fascist.

They are authoritarian and they want power and that is it.

Power, power, power.

So excuse me if I don't listen to this BS from people who try to play nice and oh, I'm just a nice conservative.

No,

you're

not.

You're a fascist.

You're supporting the end of the country as we've known it.

So yeah, save me the pleasantries.

Thanks guys.

All right.

All right, Matt.

Matt, thank you for telling us.

telling us what you think.

And we've got a couple of more calls

lined up, also

some texts coming

in.

I've

announced here I was the first person in the country to announce that Trump was a dictator, all right?

I'm sticking with it.

That was like a year and a half ago.

Should we go back to the phone?

Is it Keto on the line from Madison?

Yeah, I love your show.

Oh, thank you.

I want Gary on our side

if

ICE invades.

I don't know how to do that.

I sure hope it happens.

You brought up a good question.

I wanted to bring up a question about ICE and ICE apprehending American citizens and brutally at the same time.

I would like to know what he thinks of that.

I come up with all the right questions at the wrong

time.

Well, maybe Gary will call back.

Yeah.

But same thing with me.

I wanted to find out what he thinks about the Epstein files.

Has that changed his mind about what kind of guy Donald Trump is?

Or causes him to

waffle just a little bit.

Right.

Anyway.

All right, let's go to Todd or Billy.

Welcome to the program.

Hey, go ahead, Todd or Billy.

Hello.

I just wanted to comment on just that I

I think that protesting right now, being out on the street, is really important.

And I want to just say that from the perspective of, you know, I think I'm somebody who usually kind of feels like, oh gosh, there's something better, more impactful than I can do than go and stand around with a sign.

You know, what about writing letters and emails?

for certain voting

I'm with you I'm with you on that yeah

usually I kind of feel like protesting is not a great use of our time but right now I think that it is what do I want to say that the the thing that's going to just bring us over the top and I think it's so important and you know if you haven't been going if you don't think it's kind of worthwhile I just feel like now is the moment as much as we can

Please just

be

out in the street.

Be another number when they're counting out all the people who have been out protesting because that's what's going to make the difference now, I think.

Oh, I

agree.

I agree with that.

Yeah.

That's well said.

Yeah, absolutely.

Thank you, Todd or Billy.

Let's see.

We got a note here from Chris who says, I'm so tired of this both side stuff.

Most people agree on more things than they disagree on.

There aren't two, they're not two-sided.

We're all Americans and we all want good things for our country.

Yeah, I mean, we do forget a lot of that.

There are a lot of things that we all, you know, tend to agree on, but we just haven't had time to focus on many of those as we go through all the things that we're going through right now with Minneapolis, Epstein

files.

you know, everything else.

Well, you know, we've had this discussion about which is the best way to protest.

I had this with Matt Rothschild when he filled in, and we had the discussion because I always felt like, why get out there?

There's gotta be a better way to do this.

I mean, look, the right wing doesn't go out and protest.

They rarely get out at all except for the rallies.

But they don't protest in the street.

How do you get...

better protest going and remember in Europe they do economic protests right where they stop everything they don't shop they don't do anything right for a week or two something like that yeah they shut down the economy right and that's how they get done whatever they want to get done mm-hmm and I'm thinking gee that seems to be such a great plan but

I

think that's hard to organize in the U.S.

for some reason.

I mean, it's, yeah, it's a great idea, but I don't know how you get everybody on board with that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

For your same, you know, the same day or the same time.

Okay, let's go back to the phones.

Dolores on the phone from Madison.

Good afternoon, Dolores.

Good afternoon, guys.

I just wanted to mention, and I think you can touch on that.

money is a big thing.

Money moves everything.

And maybe if we can, I mean, I know the general strikes, they're good, but I mean, one day it's not gonna change anything.

I think we have to do it over time.

If everyone stops spending money, the company will slow down and maybe we can do things like that.

right now, I really need a new car.

I mean, my car has over 220,000 miles.

And I really wanted to get a new car.

But now I'm just thinking, I'm not going to spend any money, you know, unless like, I really need to stop buying things like, um, um, you know, getting, uh, you know, buying food.

I mean, like I've got to, uh, you know, fast, fast, fast food restaurants or restaurants, things like that.

So I stopped buying Target, Walmart, all those.

Um, companies, they, I know they, they have, uh, they usually give big donations to the GOP.

So if everybody, I mean, I'm not saying stop buying, but I mean, we buy 50% less.

I think we can make a difference because that's the greedy of this country money.

They're already kind of doing that.

I read a story about a Home Depot.

People aren't making the home improvements because of the economy.

They're not quite sure which way things are going to go.

They're afraid to spend money on improving their homes.

So they're suffering a little bit, which is good because they're conservative.

But other than that, yeah, we're

we're slowing down when it comes to spending money in

this country.

And that was the part that I was really afraid of with this new plan that Trump has put in place with tariffs.

It's taking money

away

from the economy, the higher premiums we have to pay for healthcare, taking money away from the economy.

It can't be good.

None of this can be good in combination.

Dolores, thanks for that call.

I'll get to two reports here, one from Scott Galloway talking about an economic strike,

and

then we'll get to being Minnesota Knights.

How do you protest in a nice way?

Right, and more of your calls at 855-752-4842.

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It's John

and

Gordy and Aaron We're cruising through the afternoon here a

little bit of Jimmy.

Yeah Purple haze 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 taking your calls here and your texts You know who did have send us something on the civic media kind

of a really cool version very different version of purple haze was Dion Dion I don't

remember that

one.

Yeah, I went through a

kind of a folksy stage,

a bunch of

folk albums, and he added a little 12 string to this thing and

completely changed it around.

He's had several careers in one, because he started out as a pop star.

Do-op guy.

Yeah, do-op and

pop star, and then he fired everybody and the... Yeah.

Group and then he went out solo and he did some great stuff and now he does a lot of blues.

He does blues, but in between he was doing folk.

Yeah, let's get to Peter here on the program.

What do you got for us Peter?

Hey, by the way, I also saw Dion open for Frank Zapp at the Riverside Theater.

You're

kidding.

Wow.

Wow.

Yeah, he had like one of them.

The city hats I forget what you call them, but anyway get to my point.

Okay.

I'm an old fossil I felt really bad that guy that called up and he said I listen to both sides I listen to this TV station And then I watch that TV station.

Yeah, and I want to I wanted to say what the error in a thinking is That's only one side.

That's only the side of the people that can afford

To buy radio stations and it can afford to advertise on radio stations and it can afford to buy Facebook and X and these things that every if You're totally relying on things that come over the wire.

You're getting one side no matter how many different channels you watch You had where are you getting the side of the people that can't afford those things?

Yeah That's a good question

Yeah,

I

mean if I I'll say this to

we're seeing media consolidation is essentially what you're getting at here I mean there's media consolidation and with the oligarchs in charge of the buying up all the rest of the media

What where do you get your news?

Yeah?

Well, I have I have a bachelor's degree in history from the University of Wisconsin

and I

read a lot.

Yeah,

I've been reading I've been reading for 60 years and I'll say this

My friend, I'm sure loves his country.

If you love your country and you Understood about Reagan and Trump what I understand you would feel so guilty you'd go home and cut your throat Wow, that's all I have to say.

All right.

Thank you, Peter.

I appreciate that Yeah, the both sides thing bothers me.

I truly believe there is one side and that's the truth side but

Yeah, it's confusing Well, it's not confusing.

It's difficult to try and have that conversation with someone who doesn't believe in the truth or believe what the truth is or thinks the truth is something that has been explained to them in a different way now we have heard that Liberals are woke and

woke individuals are Traders and we've heard that woke individuals liberals are also fascists they have managed to switch what fascism actually means and That isn't that isn't the truth, you know fascism is something and it's defined We know what it is all you have to do is look it up and find out that's all you have to do

And that's something that everybody can do, and then find out, detail by detail, point by point, what a fascist is, and how it comes about.

And when you see that, you'll recognize a pattern.

And that's all I can say.

Well, so much of this

both side stuff, it all changed when Trump came on the scene, you know?

I mean, it just, I think, it galvanized some people, but it also, you know, he did everything he could.

do to call out, you know, call things fake news, fake news all the time and accuse Obama of not having a birth certificate.

And he's going to build a wall

and all of these huge things.

And he started dominating the conversation with all of this stuff.

And he got a following and ended up really destroying the Republican Party.

And in turn, the Democrats have been running around with their hair on fire and not knowing what to do.

about things so much lately.

Yeah, I think you hit it though.

I think it's, the emphasis on fake news really turned a lot of heads.

Right.

And he gave everybody the right to think,

what they think is

the truth.

Yes, yes, and present their truth, the right, the right side of the aisle truth as they saw it and Trump sees it.

And it hasn't been the same since.

It hasn't.

So, anyway.

Well, next hour, we're gonna play a few cuts for you in regards to the best way to protest.

Got that coming up and more of your calls, 855-752-4842.

And we're gonna come back to the Randy Bachman story.

We figured it out.

You looked at

us.

You were able to look it

up.

Right, we've got more on that coming up.

And it's

got a happy ending.

It has a very happy ending.

I mean

it's non-sexual.

It's got a happy Resolution a family-friendly

Resolution yes, it's all good news.

Okay.

We need a little good news every once in a while, right?

Okay, news is next and then we're coming back with our final hour for this Monday of John and Gordy

Stay right where you are.

Don't go anywhere.

Why would you leave now?

Yes, just stay here.

He wouldn't want to leave.

He wouldn't want to leave.

Here's Dion's room.

Let's play some games.

Dion for a while.

Yeah.

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