Unfounded Claims (Hour 1)

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Unfounded Claims (Hour 1)

John & Gordy · Fri Jan 30, 2026

Kathryn Lake

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Oh,

yeah.

It's John and Gordy time.

It is.

Yeah.

Happy Friday.

That's John Peterson.

I'm Gordy Young, along with our producer today, Dom Lee.

I'm back.

You're

back in the air chair.

You

guys miss me or no?

Oh, we

miss you.

We always miss the individuals who help us out here in this program making it sound so professional.

Despite everything that we do to make it not so professional.

So thank you for all the hard work.

We appreciate everything you

do.

So here we are at a Friday.

Well, a few things to report today and a lot going on as usual.

Well, yeah, every day is, isn't

it?

Every single day.

Just about had

it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then, you know, we, it was already busy.

And then a few hours ago, they released a ton of Epstein files.

They

did.

Yeah.

The Department of Justice releasing those files and

three million pages.

Okay.

Three million pages, 2000 videos.

Which I hope are you know gonna be out there on DVD soon and then 180 80 wait 180,000 images

Files, or

paper files.

No, images.

Images.

180,000 images.

If three million pages, 2,000 videos, and 180,000 images.

That's it.

So yeah, if you were listening to Tom Hartman just before

us

last hour, he detailed some of those, some of those things on his show he went through.

So it's out there.

Had

I known they had the details online, I would have certainly made a few screen captures, but now they're gone, right?

Some of them have been pulled off.

The Department of Justice pulled off a lot of the files, but you can still find them on mitusplus.com.

All right.

So that's good.

If you want to dive in, it's as awful as you can imagine and explicit.

We're hearing things already that we have not heard before and all of it is shocking, disgusting.

And of course, some of these are just, maybe some of them are.

just complaints that the FBI got over the years, but, you

know, people wouldn't complain unless it was true or

went to the Department of Justice and filed the

complaints there.

Yes.

Yes.

All of that for that,

too.

And the follow up to those complaints, some of the

big thumbs up on their time for covering that, but kind of taking the middle of the road.

You're not me.

Not me.

I'm not taking the middle road on this thing.

Okay, right?

You know, I'm thinking this is the real stuff.

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All right.

I mean They're saying to be clear the claims are unfounded and false and if they were

credible at any point they certainly would have been weaponized against President Trump already that's not necessarily true because a lot of the stuff was

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not out

there right okay exactly so we couldn't have done that now if you want to take into question the sources of all these files I could

guess you could call into question.

The Florida and New York cases that they were investigating on Epstein, the New York case against Maxwell, the New York case investigating Epstein's death, the Florida case investigating the former butler of Epstein, multiple FBI investigations, and the Office of Inspector General investigation into Epstein's death.

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Now

you, if you think for one minute maybe that

They don't know what they're talking about.

They can't believe anything coming from them.

Okay, I get you.

I got it.

But you know what?

No.

These are credible sources.

I believe the stuff that's in this.

Yeah.

Prove, prove that they're not real.

Okay.

Yeah.

So, you know, no caveats here.

This stuff has been released.

That's it.

It's out there now.

Yeah.

And again, they released a lot of it on the Department of Justice web page.

And apparently they had some trouble keeping that information out there or decided

to

pull it off.

But you can find it at mitusplus.com.

Yeah.

Okay.

And then they're a good source for a lot of information.

Yeah.

They have editorials are always out there.

They have a little podcast and it's entertaining sometimes and you've got some nice clips almost like our show.

Yeah.

Only, well, they have mic stands that seem to work better.

Well, you know, just a lot of other things going on today.

We're going to get to all of this stuff.

But,

you know,

Don Lemon was arrested.

The former CNN anchor spent the night in jail, apparently.

And apparently now there's two or three other journalists that have also been arrested and don't.

Good

luck with that.

We'll look for their names.

Kind of a First Amendment thing going

there.

Yeah.

But, you know, nothing matters to them.

You know, the courts will toss this stuff out.

But in the meantime, it certainly is giving Don Lemon some publicity.

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He needed it.

He really needed some help.

You know, he's an investigative reporter.

He does a lot of reporting and he's really

good.

Yeah.

And he's, you know, he's not connected with CNN anymore.

He just does his own thing on YouTube and.

That's what he's up to.

But the

other

big story today, Catherine O'Hara.

Catherine

O'Hara.

From

SCTV, Second City TV, and of course, Schitt's Creek

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more

recently.

Yes.

Dead at the

age of 71, you

know, in the Home Alone movies.

Just a terrific, funny, funny actress.

Yeah.

It's hard to believe.

I mean, she's even younger than I thought.

So is that me again?

Is that you or me?

It's

not

me.

It's you.

OK.

Is it me?

No, it must

be you.

Where's your phone?

I

hear

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it, but I don't

see it.

Sit in your man purse.

OK.

Let me put it on.

Let me put it on theater here.

I've got my watch with me.

I'm just going to set it to sleep.

Maybe even

better than theater.

If you had your eye glasses on, you could have told your eye glasses to turn off your phone.

Couldn't you think you know, you know how to work my classes better than I do.

No, you're trying to save tabs on your browser

and you can't do it.

Actually, I just, I can, I just tested it.

Oh, you did.

Yeah.

Just a few minutes ago.

Watch, I'll close it.

Okay.

You want to demonstrate?

Sure.

Okay.

I'll just shut it down.

Okay.

There you go.

And we'll wait a few minutes and

no, no,

don't do that.

Just bring it up right away.

Okay.

I do have to, I do have to, you know, click a couple of times, but.

There they are.

Okay.

They're all there.

See, I hate to break it.

But the thing

is, I clear out.

No, you have to if you hit the X in the corner, that closes the program out.

And then when you bring it back up, tabs are gone.

You can't just close the clamshell laptop that you got and then bring it up again.

That's not going to do it.

It worked.

Yeah.

It'll

always work.

The thing is, the difference is you don't

You save all your tabs.

I do

but

all my tabs change pretty much every day anyway So I clear it

all out.

I'm done for the

day.

Boom.

It frustrates me seeing you go to the same places over and over I shouldn't look

like CNN

yes huff

post drudge and Yeah, and then whatever random thing is I

don't know how chrome works though.

I can't figure it out normally the edge is easy

to program, you can save your old tabs from the previous day.

But I can't find that setting in Chrome.

Well, how do you guys feel about Firefox?

You guys like

Firefox?

I don't know.

I like

Firefox.

I used to use it for my senses.

Yeah.

But I haven't used it since then.

It's the best.

It's the number one.

You like that.

That's what I do every time.

That's really good.

That's what you recommend.

Yeah, no Google Chrome.

Big thumbs up.

Big

thumbs up for Dom.

Yes.

Well, I don't know.

Everybody here internally, it seems, in the office seems to be on

Google.

Yeah.

I mean.

Oh, really?

Oh, yeah.

Don't you think?

Well, I guess so.

I don't believe it's a Google thing around here.

No?

It's like a universal Google thing.

Yeah.

But I stray away from the norm and you guys, too.

So we're different than them.

Everybody's on their own.

Okay, we are on our own, but look, Catherine Ahara passed away at each 71, was it?

Yes.

And one of her great characters that she played in Second City TV, and I watched every episode I had.

By the way, I had every episode.

On Beta.

On DVD.

Oh, DVD.

Yeah, on DVD, and I blew it.

Okay, good.

On DVD, they said.

Yeah, sets out on it.

But there is one season that I don't have.

And I believe it was on either HBO or Cinemax, either one of those.

They had an extra season on there.

They had six gun justice on it.

I mean, it was fantastic.

It was one of the best programs ever.

And

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if that ever

comes out, that that would be fantastic to get.

But here is her best character, one of her best.

It's Lola Heatherton.

Oh, man.

And if you remember way back in the old days of Warner Brothers, they

She used to have a performer on their Connie Stevens.

Oh, sure.

She used to sing and dance.

Well, you

know.

Pretty cheesy.

Cheesy performance.

So Catherine Hare took off on that.

And this is her performance on a Christmas special that she did as Lola Heatherton.

And this is not quite a seasonal hit.

at this point, but you might want to listen to this, check it out.

This is Catherine O'Hara.

Give me one second, give me one second.

Okay, well, in the meantime,

keep going.

The name also, there was a performer, Joey Heatherton.

Joey Heatherton?

Who

again, kind of looks

like

this character

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as well.

Joey Heatherton.

It's a combination of the two characters.

Right, and Connie Stevens.

Connie Stevens.

They were like, more or less, Las Vegas nightclub performers who made it to Hollywood and would get

parts, bit parts and movies.

And you know, some of them did very, very well on TV and everything.

Yeah.

And Lola, Lola Heatherton was Catherine O'Hara's takeoff.

Okay, let's listen to that.

Yeah.

That's right.

The love spirit, my very special Christmas special.

We're taking back to love's past.

We're forced to see all too clearly love's present.

I know it's going to touch you where you belong.

And we even take a moment to think about love's future.

Nothing's changed on my own.

It's Christmas 19.

I don't even know what year it is.

I just know I'm still alone.

Try to heart, ask too much.

Love so many, hate to even think.

For the sake of one hand.

I'll go ahead and enjoy the love you have.

As long as I'm here to entertain you.

Someone to feel sorry for is not what you're looking for.

What do you want?

I don't need you.

I don't

need

anybody.

Oh, man.

Yeah.

Catherine O'Hara.

Just

filled with talent.

You know, she was great on Schitt's Creek, of course.

And then, oh, the Home Alone movies.

Home Alone

movies, yeah.

You know, in that bit, when she does sing, there is this little thing she does.

She makes her bottom lip quiver.

Right.

It is just

too much.

It is, yeah.

Yeah, she died earlier today at the age of 71.

Yeah, that's pretty sad.

Okay, well.

Phone lines are open.

If you want to get in early here, 855-752-4842.

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That's

855-75CIVIC.

Of course, you can always text us on the CIVIC media app, free to download, free to use.

Use it and text us something.

Yeah.

But you know, a lot of these performances you can still check out on some of the old Warner Brothers series that they have like a 2B and all these other channels.

Sure.

And Warner Brothers probably will have it in their library on Netflix pretty soon.

I would imagine so.

Hawaiian Eye 77 Sunset Strip.

Great stuff.

Yeah.

It's good stuff.

Golden oldies.

Okay, just getting going on a Friday afternoon.

And we'll be back with

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more of Johnny Gordy after this.

So whatever you've got to do You've got a lovely day to do it in That's true And I hope whatever you've got to do Is something that can be done by two For I'd really like to stay It's a lovely day to

day

John and Gordy kind of day.

What is that singing to us?

I have no I

found I have no idea.

I'm sorry.

I have no clue.

What do you really have no idea?

Just has the song name and

that's

it.

It's crazy.

All right.

Well, you know, my eyes started rolling back on my head.

I'm thinking, wait, we've got a program to do here.

Well, I'm I'm guessing Connie Francis, maybe.

It was a long time ago.

It was way back in there.

It was before my time.

The song is called Lovely Day?

It's a lovely day today.

It's a

lovely

day today.

You know, you can play it so you can hear it audibly and then put on Shazam and it'll identify it almost immediately.

Oh, I forgot about Shazam.

I think

that's Ella Fitzgerald, actually.

There you go.

It's probably

Ella.

Yeah.

Yeah, okay.

Got

that cleared up.

Sort of glad we cleared that up.

Yeah, just

worried about it there for a while.

Catherine O'Hara was also in the original Beetlejuice.

Yes, what a great role in that.

Everything she did was just fantastic.

Just such a comedic sense of timing.

Funny.

She was a comedic genius.

She carried that

Schitt's Creek

show.

She really, she was a star of

it.

Yeah.

Her outfit's on.

Eugene left you on

her unbelievable fashion.

makeup and everything.

But they've been working together, you know, on Second City TV for so, so many years.

If you have a chance to watch any of the reruns of that, it's just great.

One of the great things about Second City TV is that they create this entirely different universe

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of

television.

And you just go into this universe of television, and it is really, truly bizarre.

Count Floyd, if you remember that.

Sure.

Or the 3D House

of Beef.

John Candy was in there.

Yes.

Oh, yeah.

Well, yeah, the list goes on and on.

But Eugene Levy, trying to think of some of the others.

Oh, Andrea.

Andrea

Martin.

Yeah, Andrea Martin.

She was fantastic, too.

Let's go to the phones.

Dick is on the line from Madison.

Good afternoon, Dick.

Go ahead.

Well, let's keep it light Friday.

Hey, I'm smart trivia.

Yeah,

Joey Heatherton, who you brought up, right?

Was married to Lance.

Oh, our rental.

Oh, right.

Player of the Cowboys and my brother, you say, oh, she's married to Bambi.

I said, no, Bob, that's the other Lance, the better one.

Lance, all work.

There

you go.

And when it's all worth, finish this career with Cowboys.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, it's

interesting.

Lance.

All stuff that means nothing.

I'm sure you have a couple of those, uh, Heatherton albums.

Joey Heatherton.

Seems like she was on

the Dean Martin show a

lot.

She was on Johnny Carson too.

Carson.

Yeah.

Yeah.

She

made the rounds.

Yeah.

She would go, I think she was one of the performers with Bob Hope when he would go overseas and entertain the troops.

So did you ever, do you ever watch Second City TV?

Oh yeah.

Oh yeah.

And the, the gal that just died to that, what was the show you brought up, uh, uh, Creek, uh,

Schitt's Creek.

Uh, yeah.

What a great show, wasn't it?

It was

just unbelievable.

What a hit.

Yeah.

Wow.

Good stuff.

Well, that was it.

All right, Dick.

Dick, thank you.

Yeah, thank you.

Appreciate that.

Okay.

855-752-4842.

Well, we could keep it light here, as he mentioned.

I found this web wisdom.

This guy was looking at the reviews of Melania, right?

Right.

And then I started reading up, and I always check these things out.

And I found out that the reviews that he is reading is from something called Billboard.

Or no.

What is the widescreen thing?

Anyway, it's a media source where they list all of these reviews and they give a chance to kind of sample a lot of different reviews at this website, right?

And the website took all those reviews down because they said,

really seen the movie yet.

So how could anybody have reviewed it?

So these reviews are fake reviews,

I

think.

Maybe, I don't

know,

unless somebody, you know, managed to get some illegal copies of it someplace.

And so I thought I'd play this real quick here.

This is Bruno Amato thinking that these were real reviews.

They might be, but they're probably not.

Let's listen to this.

The Melania

movie reviews are in.

And just like Melania, they're not pretty.

This is the movie or documentary that Jeff Bezos paid about $75 million of which 40 million went straight to Melania Trump to curry favor with her husband.

Here's the reviews from the Indie wire.

If syphilis were a movie from the Hollywood reporter brutal.

should be considered a war crime.

From Variety.

I can't understand a thing she says.

From the New York Times.

Like being taken hostage by the Taliban.

And this last one by RogerEbert.com.

Brace yourselves.

I'm ready.

Okay.

Watching Melania's journey.

from Slovenia prostitute to First Lady is like walking barefoot in a field of Legos while experiencing explosive diarrhea.

Oh, God.

Yeah, there you go.

Not good.

Thanks, Bruno Mato for reading the fake reviews of the line.

Okay.

Yeah, you know,

I

know I and I read this where they exposed all of this in variety So right variety did not have a review.

Okay, the millennium, right?

Oh, I think I think the actual reviews are just as brutal.

They're gonna

be anyway.

Yeah, what

we're hearing Okay, we've got the Midwest farm report right ahead of us and then we're back with our next half hour of John and Gordy stay right where you

are

As

the 21st century began, human evolution was at a turning point, a dumbing down.

God, I'm so stupid!

Stupid!

Foolish, gullible, doltish, dumbell,

laid-back!

I'm an extremely stable genius.

Okay.

It's all fake news.

It's phony stuff.

It didn't happen.

You are fake news.

That's the best stupid thing I've ever heard this week, man.

Hahahaha!

Idiocracy!

For the smartest guy in the world, you're pretty dumb sometimes.

All the time.

Every time.

All this is John and Gordy, and we've got so much...

to get to today.

I mean, it's been kind of entertaining so far, but we've got some really bad news and stuff that'll bring you down.

What a way to start the weekend.

I hope you're looking forward to that.

But right now, let's go to the phones and talk to Joe.

Joe, what do you have for us?

Hey,

Joe.

Nothing sad.

I would like to just continue on Melania because you're so much fun.

Oh,

yeah, okay I'm not sure the question about whether they saw the films or not variety had a review and so I'm assuming that they got some review copy But within it they described there as having quote a voice of sheet metal

They said no single redeeming quality to this documentary and remember this documentary was 40 million to acquire it and 35 million to market it

and

there was a comment on Reddit from somebody from Romania who was bitching about this being in their theaters.

It's like they have four showings of this in my theater.

Why?

I don't know if they actually actual review copy.

I'm I'm assuming that they do just because there's such an insider source and they said that they described it as a cheese ball infomercial of staggering inertia and that the other line they had which was really beautiful was they said if this film were shown on a plane people would still walk out.

Wow,

that's

great stuff.

Not all of this can't be real.

I mean, no

one's

seen the movie, right?

Well,

I don't

know.

I think they could get review copies.

Yeah.

I think they could

get

review

copies.

You think?

No, I don't know.

No, you're saying that Variety actually had a review of Melania, right?

Yeah.

Because this article that I

read.

Okay, The Guardian did?

All right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Cause I saw it today.

I saw it in the Guardian.

I thought I

had a review

of it.

All right.

Yeah.

Um, and stunning though it was, and then I would also, there was one line from her husband,

one

beautiful line from her husband, from Mr. Trump, who was, who was asked about, um, China and, and Canada getting closer trade relations.

He said the first thing they're going to lose is you're going to lose your ability to play hockey.

Canada's not going to like that.

Wow.

Okay.

Yes.

What?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So

let me make our way.

I just thought I, you know, I forced all the bad news because there's always a tsunami of that.

So in the meantime, we do have some amusement here and there.

So have

a

great weekend, you guys.

All

right, Joe.

Thank you for

bringing all that to

our

attention.

Yes.

Okay.

It's funny.

I did take a clip of Melania.

They released just a little part of the film that's like, you know, 10 seconds worth.

Right.

And it's, and Trump calls up Milani and she answers the phone and she says, hello, Mr. President.

You know, I'm thinking.

Really?

Yeah.

They're on that level.

So anyway, and did you see my speech?

And she goes, no, I didn't.

That was it.

They're very close.

Anyway, I'm looking for it.

I don't know where it is.

OK.

Meantime, let's go back to the phones.

Jack is online from Merrimack.

Good afternoon, Jack.

Good afternoon, guys.

I thought I'd add something a little more pleasant and less...

political than I usually do too.

As an old jazz singer, I research a lot of the songs that I sing and a fair number of that I don't.

It's the lovely day today, which you guys were talking about earlier.

The best known recording of that is probably done by Doris Day and that's who I thought it sounded like when I was listening

to

the recording.

was written by Irving Berlin for his 19, I think his 1950 musical, Call Me Madam.

Okay.

All right.

Call Me Madam.

Okay.

Yeah, you could be right.

You could be right.

That might have been

Doris J. I think it is.

I think he is right on that.

Okay.

And he knows, right?

I mean, he does this stuff.

Jack, thanks for

that.

Yeah, it's your

hobby, Jack.

Right.

All right.

Wow.

If you want to give us call 855-752-4842.

All right, I

have something here.

Again, you know, kind of in the area of funny light stuff, right?

Yeah.

I thought this was incredibly creative and it is a fellow who passed away.

That's always funny, right?

I mean, you know, you got to laugh at that.

Okay, but you can't find like I'm gonna save it because I'll get to it in just a few moments.

Oh, here it is.

I got it.

I got it Okay, this is cut 431 This is an Irish guy named Shay Bradley and he wanted to leave everybody kind of a happy message

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at his

funeral

And Andrea Bradley, his daughter, explained that making his family laugh at the end of his life was his wish.

So she made it seem like he was being buried alive.

And this is a voice coming out of, I believe, his casket.

Let's listen to this

thing.

Hello?

Hello?

Hello?

Hello?

Hello?

Hello?

Hello?

Hello?

Hello?

Yes, you're

dead.

There

he is.

So anyway, that's

Shay Bradley with a voice box recording in the casket.

They're all around.

This

is

in the cemetery.

Oh man.

So this is not in the church.

Everybody's gathered around.

This guy starts talking and acting like he's trying to break out of his casket.

Oh, man, I know.

Yeah.

Isn't that

the

weirdest

thing?

I think that's a great idea.

It's really good.

Oh, man.

OK.

All

right.

Well, so did we run out of funny things already?

No,

no.

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Look, there's

a video, I think, of the song

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of Doris Day.

Kurt's providing that.

to us.

Donald O'Connor, I believe.

Yeah.

Um, you know, we check into that.

Yeah.

We have discussions around the house, uh, about our taxes.

You know, we've got, uh, complicated taxes this year.

Yeah.

It's that time.

Tax time.

Yeah.

All your forms together.

When you have LLCs and all this other stuff and now the kids are working and, uh, and they're filing.

we're filing for them, we're filling out their taxes for them.

And one son is a host

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and

he gets part of the tips

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and

he's wondering about the tips and whether he can get some kind of documentation showing the percentage of tips he was able to get.

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But

then again, maybe he couldn't get the tips because there are rules and regulations in regards to...

going tax-free on your tips.

Well, and there was some change in the big beautiful bill that got passed through Congress, right?

Yeah.

Because my daughter, she's a server and works at a coffee place.

And yeah, she was asking me about this too.

Yeah.

So, so the deal was, I mean, what we heard, what was going to be promoted and apparently was in the big beautiful bill is there

no more taxes on the tips.

You won't have taxes on your tips anymore.

That

was the big headline.

That was the headline.

Is that the reality though?

You know, it's almost like.

When Obama promised that you can keep your doctor, right?

Now he wasn't aware that the insurance companies would change their plans right and change the doctors They could do that happen.

Yeah, but this is a little different now again no taxes on tips, but we had representative

Tom Susie.

Oh,

yeah in a hearing asking about that from one of the officials from the Trump administration and this is how that hearing went

Tips the president said your tips will be a hundred percent yours Does this tax bill continue the payroll tax on people's tips?

Yes, it yes, it does miss overtime the president said your overtime will be tax-free Does this bill continue the payroll tax on overtime?

It does not exempt overtime from payroll taxes.

The President has said he's going to remove taxes on Social Security.

Does this bill remove taxes on Social Security benefits?

The legislation provides an increased exemption amount.

But does it remove taxes on Social Security benefits as

promised by the President?

It does not change anything.

Keep taff

dancing.

It's actually called the Working Families Tax Cut.

That's the official name inside the one big beautiful bill.

You got to

pay state

taxes.

Yeah.

Right.

And then the payroll tax, which pays for Medicare and Social Security.

All that comes out as well.

And you don't get that deduction because if it's on a charge card, you...

Your tip there is not exempt.

And this goes for servers, bartenders, you know, hairstylists, ballet drivers.

I mean, there are a lot of people that, you know, depend on those tips and we're counting on no tax on tips, but

that's

right.

You have to

qualify, right?

And apparently there are loopholes in this, allowing some other individuals who have a lot of money.

Yeah.

to count certain parts of their income as tips.

And this tip deduction is available for 2025 through 2028, so it's temporary.

Yes, it is, yes.

And if you qualify, you can deduct up to $25,000 of certain tips received.

Who gets $25,000 worth of tips?

No one.

In a year.

Is here a waitress or a bartender?

Okay, maybe, maybe, big city, full time.

Working at a swanky club, maybe.

But anyway, your deduction is gradually reduced potentially to zero if your income is above that threshold.

work your way through this,

right?

Right.

Talk

to your tax advisor.

Well, you can, but you can also buy the software, which is what we do.

We've been using software for years and years and years.

TurboTax or Intuit or whatever.

Both.

Yeah.

Both, yeah.

But

We're thinking about maybe going to a tax advisor

this year,

only because, you know, maybe you should see them at least just once to get kind of a feel for what you're looking at.

I think the software's pretty damn good at

catching a lot of stuff.

Well, for me, this is the first year where I'm doing my own taxes.

I've always had my parents do it for me, so this is the first year where I've... Software

makes it

easy.

Yeah, and I might do something like you were saying.

It's just easier to do.

Although, I know there are a lot of people who...

who are angry at the software tax makers because yes, this administration got rid of having your taxes done for free online.

Oh, yeah.

Because because the software company said, no, it takes business away from us and we can't sell the discs and the tax software.

If they get to do a lot of it.

for free online, for people who don't have any deductions.

And on it goes.

So I should hate them, and I should boycott them,

but we've been doing it like this for years, so to hell with that.

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Oh, yeah,

yeah, yeah.

Steve Miller band when they were really, really, really good in

the early days, mid 60s.

That was the best era.

They had more hits later, but yeah.

Yeah,

they have the pop

hits, but back then it was underground music

back

to the future.

What

was

no your future?

Man,

I'll have to look at the names of the albums now.

I'm

using

two of them.

Brave, Brave New World.

Brave New World was a terrific album.

Yeah.

Unbelievable.

Looking back at Catherine O'Hara, who died earlier today.

Remember the movie Best of Show?

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Best in Show?

Yes.

She was in that.

Crazy,

crazy, crazy.

She, she picked some great roles.

Very funny, very funny actress.

Um, we've got the phone lines open here, eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two.

You got Kido.

Kido is on the line.

Good afternoon.

Yeah.

Kido.

Kido.

Um, okay.

One of the best clips I heard was on Tuesday when he had, um,

New York cops yelling at ice guys.

Remember that?

Oh, yes.

Um, so I went to the archives.

All right, show archives and they go from last week Friday to Wednesday.

Yep.

There is no Monday or Tuesday in there.

Right now.

I know they've been working on that.

And we've had a little bit of a thing.

Maybe Dom, you can call

us.

There's a kind of a transition thing going on with all these shows and different types of slots in our rebroadcast.

So it hasn't kept up and we've been adding them slowly but surely.

We're trying to get caught up.

Hopefully those will be back there soon.

Yeah, I do want to mention something about the the clip about New York cops right treating treating these ice agents in a really really bad way the way they should be treated And that that is an AI generated clip.

Yeah, we discovered that That that was yeah AI.

Yeah,

usually we're pretty good about catching all of that

before it airs, but

when we got caught up in the show, that wasn't even part of what I was going to put on the program that day.

And we just, during a commercial, we were saying, did you see that clip?

Yeah, I saw that clip and I thought, oh, let's

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play

it.

And I really nearly played the damn thing, but it is, it is, it is fake and deep fake and, you know, that's about it.

It

happens.

But we're being more careful as we go

along here.

Well, we got caught up in the excitement of, you know, here's the thing, and I framed it this way, I think during the program, is this is the way it should be done.

This is how we should treat these ICE agents.

So I think just...

that alone should stand and allow that clip to be played.

But again, and we talked about this the other day, the best way to figure out whether a clip, and I hadn't looked, I saved the clip because I didn't want to play it until I looked into it a little bit further, but I thought, oh yeah, no, I just threw it out there.

But the best way to...

kind of look at these clips to see if they're fake or not.

Sort them out.

Is to look at writing.

Letters do not come out in, in, in, in

this.

In AI, the

graphics.

Yeah.

Words are unknown to AI.

Spelled words.

Right.

Pictures of words.

Yeah.

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So pictures of words don't work

out.

Yeah.

So if you ever see a video, check out, see if there's any writing.

anywhere in the background, a sign or something, and you'll notice a difference there.

There you go.

Little

helpful hint.

Again, it's just ask John.

Thank you, Dom.

That's

a helpful reminder.

Yes, that's an old introduction that I used to do when I did just ask John, you know, taking homeowner questions,

basically.

We should do that a bit again.

When I was in real estate, you know, I was becoming a home handyman with my new house.

Right.

I was working at another station and I knew everything, man.

I just, I

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fixed

everything or at least I tried to and then I brought some professionals in and that's how I

always ended it.

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You

know, if you're unsure, hire a professional.

But in this case,

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good advice,

but in this case, there's so many deep fakes out there.

Well, now, so many AI generated videos, it's really, it's almost impossible.

And a lot of these things like, like that AI clip of the New York cops treating ice badly, that was something that I again,

I wanted to check.

I forgot to check it.

And then we put it out there and, uh, and, uh, and that's what happened.

Right.

Um, yeah.

A lot of times we can go to, uh, snopes.com, right?

Yes.

That's a good source

to go to see

if, uh, something is, is, uh, legitimate.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And that's, uh, that's a free source.

And there recently

cam was, uh, laying into me about something and, uh,

So anyway, that's okay.

Say it here.

You're just really

okay.

Camp's got his own show going on our

text line.

This isn't even an actual radio

show.

He says, yeah, you're just really high on your elder care meds and we're just caretakers and nurses at the home.

There you

go.

Well,

that's, you know, I guess.

that's the way you feel cam

and yeah well cam no really saying that's a bad thing is the place to go if you really want to check out anything just go to

snopes he's saying that's not a good source anymore cam is

offering that up.

Okay, Cam.

Well, you got to trust where do you go?

I mean, does he have a better

source?

Yeah, I know.

You know where he knows to go now to us.

Oh, yeah.

We're a front.

We're going to tell you exactly what's going on.

All right.

Well, hang on because between the current news cycle and bitter weather, the winter blues are just hitting us, John.

But coming up in our three o'clock hour just after the news.

John and Gordy want to get you out of the house for a little TLC, says here.

And that could happen if you win passes to Chula Vista in Wisconsin Dells.

We've got one more set of passes to give away and we'll do that after we get into the news and the weather and sports updates.

It's coming up on John and Gordy.

Oh, and their protests too.

Ah, yes.

We forgot to mention there was a protest starting at two.

Oh, yes.

All right.

We'll get to that.

Stay with us.

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