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It was just outrageous.
It was over $500 first time in my entire life, especially with my computerized heating system that I have.
Is it really?
Yes, no, it really is.
It's computer controlled.
I mean, the thermostats are much more advanced than they were in the old days.
You know, with the switch at the bottom that you...
I'm glad you asked.
Yeah, why?
Because...
because, and this is for Madison Minutes, you can always subscribe to them, but they explained it finally, right?
We're in the middle of a damn month, thanks for letting us know finally.
If your bill caused your blood to boil, you're not alone.
both the lion energy and Madison gas and electric raise their rates for natural gas and electricity starting January 1st.
Some residents can expect to pay as much as $100 more for heat this winter, which is me.
Okay.
I think they were just raised my bill.
Now here's the thing, you know, gas prices at the pump a little bit down.
I get it.
I get it.
You know, food prices are up.
And then of course,
natural gas prices are up.
Now they're putting in place and they're firing up the old coal plants.
And they're
But
Why is it expensive?
I didn't even know this was coming.
I don't think anybody knew this was happening.
No, never heard anything about it.
No, nothing.
Yeah.
It's pretty open.
It's an open government here.
You know, you really have to admire the Trump administration for keeping us all informed here.
Well,
Because of the tariffs.
Yes.
It's an extra tax on all of us.
Yeah, great.
I want to get to something a little bit.
More serious, obviously, what's going on in Minneapolis and St.
Paul, it's just as outrageous as possible, and we saw JD Vance talking about, you know, let's tone it down, let's work together.
Trying to lower the
Again, JD, this is Christine Gnomes thing, you know, that's her department, that's what she should be doing.
Now we're finding out that these ICE agents are allowed to break into people's homes and take them out.
that they have the right to do that.
This is a new right.
They can just take them right out of their houses.
No warrant.
Yeah, yeah.
So why don't we get to this first story that I have for you.
This is ICE abusing a father and a son who were on their way to school, okay?
This story was on last night on MSNOW.
So MSNOW, so let's listen.
Yep.
Incredible, isn't it?
That's the kind of story we're going to hear more of, and unfortunately that is something I think we all predicted would happen when you put masks on ice agents.
And then you give them the power to go into homes without any kind of search warrant.
So that's the story.
And it's affecting kids mostly.
I mean, we're hearing a lot about what's happening to these
The camo siding.
That's right.
What are they doing?
Anyway, now here's a tragic story.
It seems like the students are being targeted as well.
Greg Bovino and his border patrol agents deployed toxic green chemical gas.
Linked to burning skin and eyes coughing vomiting chest pain and serious respiratory injury with the risk of delayed and long-term lung damage They were throwing canisters of this particular gas out into this crowd right right outside a park and playground Down the street from an elementary school in Minneapolis immediately after dismissal.
So there were kids
all over the place when they decided to do this.
And a school bus was forced to drive straight through the gas.
Let's listen to what it sounded like here.
That's Bovino there shouting.
Yeah.
There's a green fog hanging in the air there, and that's the stuff that can burn your skin, your eyes, coughing, vomiting, chest pain, and serious lung damage, long term, especially for kids.
Yeah, we saw a clip of that.
Yeah.
Children were heading to the park, and buses were transporting kids home at the time.
Just a sidewalk filled with protesters.
That's all it was.
They weren't blocking traffic.
They weren't out in the street.
They just decided to they were driving by and they decided to stop and throw canisters of this this Toxic chemical gas, right?
So well
Yeah intimidating the American people in this country in this
This story, I suppose, gets out there and everybody starts reading it and they're thinking, oh my gosh, you know, and this is normalizing this kind of situation.
warning
or
really all you need to know.
It's your fault.
paraphrasing,
was ready to
I didn't hear his response, although he was asked about...
the phone records that he asked for, you know, of the senators, remember?
And the senators were just outraged for being a part of the investigation, but they really had a part in the investigation simply because they were trying to overturn the election.
And of course, they wanted the details, some of the details of the phone records, but they weren't.
Highly detailed.
They were just basically, you know, who called when, what time.
What phone numbers were used.
So that was it.
But he defended that.
I'm going to look for that clip.
Maybe you have a better explanation, a pretty good explanation.
Better one than I just gave here on the air.
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It's John and Gordy.
It's funny because next hour we'll be talking about Trump butchering the golden goose.
What?
Yes, the golden goose.
This was something in the bulwark.
which is really an interesting article, an analysis of what's going on and what Trump is doing to the rest of the world.
So we'll take a look at that and dissect it.
Phone lines are open.
We're going to kill the goose.
Dissect that story.
That audio that you shared with the father and son is just harrowing.
And I would ask people to, you know, not only is it awful, but it's costing us times and times of money to do this.
When, as I've suggested to you before, if you want to get illegal immigration done, finished in the United States, put the CEOs in prison.
And there's legislation or bills that...
legislation that allows people to our system to do that.
But of course we won't because it just is so much more dramatic to have the guys running through Minneapolis with camo.
Speaking of business, I wanted to return.
Also, I did want to ask if you can ask Mr. Santel in the next half hour, you were saying that the people in the ice in Minneapolis is saying that they can go in despite having an official warrant that's signed by a magistrate.
And I'd really be interested to hear what Jim has
to say about that.
It sounds like they're really throwing that out the window.
But I wanted to return to the Greenland thing.
Number one, if this is so important for our safety and our security, wouldn't Alaska be kind of important for Putin?
And wouldn't Putin be able to jump in there and say, gee, we need this to feel safer?
So you guys leave and we want it.
Yeah, they could have done that a long time
in
Exactly.
And I had spoken with you yesterday about just some of the difficulties of putting a mining industry in Greenland.
If you want to spend a whole lot of money, maybe you could.
But there was an article not from some left-wing rag, but from, hey,
fortune, and
it
was about the poor case it is for trying to make this stuff happen in Greenland.
And I was talking to you about the Greenland ice shield.
I didn't know that this thing covers 80% of Greenland, and the average thickness of the Greenland ice shield is a mile deep.
In some places, it's close to two miles deep.
I mean, number one, you got all that ice.
Number two, it's just there's no port.
There are very few ports.
You know, do you want to have a mining industry already established?
You need roads, you need electrification.
And here's one, polar bears.
I'd forgotten about polar bears.
You know, there's an issue
business up there.
but i would come in to anybody that want to get a very thorough look at what up business and how a business entity looked at this whole idea of mining in uh... greenland and as one person said well you know uh... just look around at this could have been done to this point it probably would have been done you know and it hasn't been done and they have a great line within the article that i mean sometimes this is one line sums it up so well they said here
Ambition runs up against reality.
Yeah.
You know, because we may be returning, I mean, just the fact that he temporarily has to wait away from this doesn't mean it's a permanent thing.
Thanks a lot, you guys.
All right, Joe.
Thanks,
Once again, I am completely stupefied by the idiocy of the entire administration I just wonder, you know, I don't see any ice
any kind of ice present in any of the border states which kind of is blowing my mind because I know Texas and Arizona have loads more of undocumented people there than Minnesota does so I can It's just a bunch of guys who were bullied in high school cosplaying as police officers
and I saw I saw the
The story about them using a five-year-old boy to fake the parents out of the house Yes, I'm just wondering how anybody can justify these actions and I can only hope you know the only sliver of hope I have in this complete degeneracy is I just think back in Nuremberg because every single one of these guys have signed up for their little bonus to go cosplay an army man They're gonna have to answer for this eventually and when the tides turns they're all gonna have their day in court
and they're going to have to speak to the American people, and just following orders isn't going to cut it.
That's right.
I'm just, I'm disgusted beyond belief at this point, and I don't, I don't really know what to do anymore.
There is some hope, Trace, you know, the Democrats are promising to hold all of these people accountable.
It's not getting even.
It's just holding accountable.
I appreciate your call on that.
I do want to get to this five-year-old boy, though.
Yes.
has sparked condemnation after reports of the five-year-old boy had been detained in Minnesota and used as bait.
Zena Stenvik, the Columbia Heights Superintendent, told reporters on Wednesday,
Why detain a five-year-old?
You can't tell me that this child is going to be classified as a violent criminal.
Masked agents, by the way, stopped five-year-old Liam Ramos in his driveway as he arrived from home from school with his father.
Another adult living in the home was outside and begged the agents to let him take care of the small child.
It's cold out there, you know, and was refused.
Liam's family has an active asylum case and no deportation.
so that's why the agents were there in the first place.
They shouldn't have been there because they've got an active case.
Hey, hey, good afternoon guys.
So, you know, there's reports out there with this whole Greenland thing
he's really after Greenland because some billionaire donor would like to get You know minerals and that sure money right that are supposedly yeah Yeah, so that there's a possibility that he's doing all it is for some billionaire donor And and and like I said yesterday he's making it where
America will be hated.
Even with the things that they're doing here with ICE, people will not like America.
And if something bad happens in America, it'll be because of him.
And it's the horribleness.
And another question.
Did you guys hear about the boat strike today in the Caribbean?
Uh, no.
No, what happened?
No, because there aren't, because there aren't any more.
All of a sudden, no more
Yeah, it's just not funny
being smuggled at
No, not any more.
Just like no more caravans after every election, there's no more caravans.
Thanks for
So where this is coming from is, believe it or not,
Back in 2025, just last year, there was an internal memorandum written by a person inside ICE that said, yeah, go ahead and bust down doors if you've got administrative warrant.
And so this is what these ACE agents are being taught, that this is a legitimate legal proposition, and you may go and do it.
Now, that doesn't absolve them of the responsibility to follow the Constitution, but the Constitution is the big point here.
I did this for 30 years.
You have privacy rights in your home.
That's the Fourth Amendment.
That's James Madison stuff, right?
It's been around for 237 years.
And there are a couple of circumstances under which, again, what the Fourth Amendment says is you free from unreasonable searches and seizures.
What does that mean?
It means that.
if the government comes to your door, if they're local police, if they're ICE agents, if they're county officers, and they have a judicially authorized search warrant.
That is a judge has looked at this and said, Mr. Santel, in your home, you've got evidence of a crime.
You've got a meth lab going on.
You've got guns that are going on.
You're doing human trafficking.
And a judge has made that determination that there is probable cause to believe that there is a crime either going on or evidence of the crime
in that location, then yes indeed.
The agents have the, frankly, the obligation to go in, but the right to go in.
That's a warrant, right?
The other circumstances, if they come to your door and knock on your door and say, can we come in and you give consent?
Yes, you can give consent.
You can limit it to particular areas in the home, that kind of thing.
Those are the two areas.
Again, there's also a thing called exigent circumstance.
If somebody is running away from a horrific event or bank robbery or something else and they dart into your home, yes, agents can follow
into the home because that's called, you know, a flight, right?
A hot pursuit.
But those are the circumstances under which, again, under the Fourth Amendment, your privacy right in your home can be affected.
there is a memorandum once again that basically tosses all of that out.
And the mere fact that somebody inside the immigration and customs enforcement authors a memorandum and it purports to be real and it purports to be an accurate statement of the law does not make it so.
And yet that's the basis upon which I'm sure the listener in the last segment that's where this is coming from.
And that's why they're doing this out there because they're being told by their supervisors at the highest level go ahead and do this.
Again, another reason I you're making lists of them today as you always do.
Another reason why to shake your head and abject disbelief that this is America that's going on.
This is not consistent.
These these arrests again without probable cause, all the events you're describing, the apprehension of children, they all these kinds of things, the beatings and so forth that you're reviewing in your last segments or so.
All of them, all of them have huge constitutional problems.
And yes, that that I know reduces this very serious human situation to a legal one.
But the listeners should know that this is this is not not only is it not America.
If you go in, the problem is, you know, what is the remedy?
Well, it's lawsuits.
Judges will find that what they're doing is unconstitutional and wrong and illegal.
And when as your previous caller said, when one day when one day this is over and there's accounting for it,
all the proper standards come back in place and all of this bad behavior gets reviewed under the ways in which it should be reviewed right now.
All right, that's the next next issue, right?
You've got a supervisor here.
You know, it's it's hard to bring a criminal case if you're authoring a memorandum like this.
But if you cause you put into effect something that does cause harm to people, can you be exposed to the same kind of thing that you're causing people to do?
This is it's one of your listeners said this is kind of the Nuremberg situation, right?
Yeah, you've
You don't get protection if what you're doing is is again unconstitutional, immoral, illegal and the
who's telling you at that, at the highest level, doesn't get protection either just because he or she happens to be in a position where they're writing an unfounded memorandum.
right and again they absolutely so a huge amount is being made oh we've got an administrative warrant right um and again is there such a thing absolutely it comes from the agency itself it says that Jim Santel is almost certainly a fugitive from the law or as an immigration issue but it's a finding from the very people who would otherwise go to a federal judge to get that determination and so it is a less compelling
it is a warrant.
And if again, you're presented with it, you can abide by it if you want to.
But this notion of, well, they've got an administrative warrant and that is sufficient.
None of the Constitution.
And again, any good lawyer will tell you that these kinds of things, just again, it's like the memorandum.
I can author a piece of paper that says that, uh, that John or Gordy, um, um, Dom have done something and, and give that to someone.
That doesn't mean it gives you the right to execute on things.
So I
We'll talk about that later, Jim.
I wanted extra rights around here.
All right.
Well, hey, well, why don't you fill us in on, uh, you know, the, the Supreme court hearing where they were, uh,
kicking around the idea of Trump having the ability to fire the federal governor or the
This has been around for a while.
We know that Jerome Powell apparently is being investigated by this this this administration for what we're not quite sure maybe the building the building there on in Washington, DC But yeah, this goes this goes to a long-standing issue and it goes to one of your favorite least favorite issues Which again is the unitary executive theory, right?
And this is the notion that the that the Federal Reserve an independent agency created
by the Congress to be independent, to do what?
To make decisions about economic issues and interest rates.
All those kinds of things that should not be political is independent of the White House, independent of the legislature as well.
Donald Trump comes along.
He wants to fire Lisa Cook.
She is the one who's at the center of this mailstorm and maintaining that there was some kind of mortgage fraud, which apparently is everybody's problem down in Washington, DC, right?
That she's engaged in mortgage fraud.
And on that basis,
wants to fire her.
Thankfully, the Supreme Court previously said in one of those rare instances where they did not go along with presidents said, no, I'm going to keep her in place.
And we finally had the oral argument just yesterday
on whether
And specifically whether or not there's cause, there's a reason to fire her.
And it sure looks as if the majority of the Supreme Court, including people like like Brett Kavanaugh, maybe even Sam Alito, other people, in addition to others are very, very skeptical and are not going to give
the president, the authority to terminate somebody in this position, all kinds of big issues having to do with due process, among other things.
Your solicitor general is a fellow named John Sauer.
We've talked about him before.
He's
the
Which is something, I guess, right?
And he ends up defending the president saying, well, let me ask, what due process has Ms.
Cook gotten to release her?
What is the process here?
You've got to have something."
And he ends up saying, well, the president said on social media that she must resign now with re-exclamation points.
That's notice, and that's enough.
Wow.
That's wild.
That's just wild for the chief advocate in front of the Supreme Court to say that.
The federal independence is here.
And this is also, again, your other least favorite issue.
This is also coming up over the Supreme Court as a part of its emergency docket.
They basically looked at the solicitor general and said, this is a razor thin record.
What are we doing here?
They will almost certainly send this back to the lower court to develop more standards, develop more information.
nation.
It's not done probably, but they're not embracing this notion that Donald Trump should be able to fire her.
No, no small thing for Brett for Brad Kavanaugh to say right now.
That's an amazing thing.
Exactly.
So again, the only other concern here is of course that we talked a few months ago about this other case involving the FTC and this one named Slaughter.
Remember her and appears at the Supreme Court there was going to give President permission to fire her different agency.
But that's the situation you may recall.
Well, they're probably going to overturn 90 years of precedent.
This King thing called Humphreys
And so we've got all kinds of different things going on here with respect to President's power.
But President did not have a good day yesterday in the Supreme Court.
And again, a lot of it depends upon the particular state.
We know that not all states have that sort of thing.
But again, if you are affirmatively being attacked, you can stand your ground.
That's basically the notion there.
This is, again, in the same category, a little bit different.
Here, it is that you've got the government coming in and saying, we are coming in.
And yes, that may be viewed by some as an attack.
I would go back to the notion that it shouldn't have to rely upon this local or the state statutes.
This is a constitutional violation of the Fourth Amendment.
And let's, let's put that at the top of the list.
And I suspect your caller, your textor there, is talking about another Supreme Court case, where the Supreme Court also was dealing with guns.
And this was coming out of Hawaii.
And whether or not, for example, can you bring a concealed handgun to a grocery store or to a beachside restaurant?
And that was the situation where that issue came up.
It appears that the Supreme Court is going to uphold a private
and public issue and we can chat more about that.
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if there's
And they're kind of, you know, worried about.
what can happen, what their rights might be.
We have one from Michael here.
He says, when the president issues a blanket pardon to these ice goons, what recourse will the American people have to hold those involved accountable?
My suspicion, I'm anticipating journalists will do more of an analysis, is that many of these people were among those 1500 people, pardon, and no training.
We give them a gun.
We don't require they engage in a lot of physical activity here, and we send them out there with probably bad training if any out there.
And the answer, of course, is that, yes, they're still obliged to follow the law.
They are federal officials.
agents there and are required to do what the law mandates here.
And again, on the streets, they've got to have reasonable suspicion to believe that someone is committing a crime.
And that could include being here illegally.
But you've got to always say, what is that reasonable suspicion that you can't just go up to somebody and arrest them because, you know, like the color of their skin or where they're located.
Although Kevin, on the side,
You're recalling very well what Brett Kavanaugh said about all that.
But again, there are standards in America.
If this is happening to people, this is not an advocacy for full employment by lawyers, but you do have to go in and file lawsuits against these folks to hold them responsible, to stop them from doing what they're doing.
We have had judges who have said, you can't engage in this kind of behavior, and you can get monetary damages.
right away, that's cold comfort, I know, for an awful lot of people who are facing these problems right now in this hour, in this moment.
But there should be some recourse, and there is.
But it requires work.
And again, the government should, government is here to serve us, right?
It's not here to attack us.
And that's the problem that's going on right now.
So if they get a
And regardless of when it is, the the the pardons were imposed, were given to them to forgive basically.
Amazing word.
January 6th, right?
And if you if I get a pardon today for January 6th and I go rob a bank tomorrow, that pardon doesn't cover me.
And so the things that they're doing now that are violations of the law that are affecting people so dramatically, can they be pursued for that?
Sure they can.
And again, under other circumstances, you would have an
My agent right now would be under investigation by the federal government for killing the woman who was in that automobile, right?
And Ms.
Good.
And so the answer is the pardons do not protect you indefinitely.
You don't just get a lifelong pardon and go out there and do everything you want to do, engage in criminal activity.
That's not how it works.
People think that, right?
It's just plain wrong.
And the president somehow encourages that sort of reckless behavior and that notion that somehow the vice president said this, they've got immunity.
The answer is no, Mr. Vice President.
There's something called qualified immunity, but there's not absolute immunity for doing these kinds of things.
It's a much larger issue.
But again, instructing the people of the United States of America.
improperly.
That's wrong.
He's a lawyer.
He knows better than that.
You can be held responsible for your criminally, constitutionally, infirm actions.
And he knows that.
And he said, just the opposite to America.
one, a law there basically requires that gun owners get permission before they carry a firearm onto private property, open to the public.
We're talking about like a gas station, a beachside restaurant, a grocery store where you go in and you know this is owned by a private person, but it's kind of a public venue.
And those folks who own those have said, I'm going to require you not to have a weapon.
And the Supreme Court deciding whether or not that is proper.
appears that they're going to overturn the law that prohibits the carrying of guns onto those properties.
of a full play called Angels in America.
I suspect many of your listeners know about it.
This is Tony Krishna, Pulitzer Prize winner, Tony winner, Emmy winner.
It's an amazing play.
And yes, indeed, you may or may not be surprised to hear that I'm, again, it is a staged production.
It's not a full production,
a
I'm playing Roy Cohen, and the play itself is a dramatic statement 30 years later on what we're doing in America.
And I'll say this and tantalize people to comment.
It's going to be in February
It's going to be at the Jewish Community Center, a wonderful venue in Milwaukee.
Roy Cohen, again, is Donald Trump's origin story.
And everything Donald Trump does comes from Roy Cohen.
And this play in many ways confirms that.
The name calling, the derision, the lack of respect for justice and people, all of that comes from Roy Cohen.
yeah.
Two
Thanks, Jim.
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