Introducing the John & Gordy Tax Plan (Hour 3)

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Introducing the John & Gordy Tax Plan (Hour 3)

John & Gordy · Mon Jan 19, 2026

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I think Trump might have stolen

the plot line.

for the next adventure of idiocracy.

Really?

Yeah, I think that might have happened.

How

so?

A few other pictures here.

Big, big sow, you know, Faddis Pig Award was given up by that pig, gave it to Trump.

Now, Trump has it.

I like this.

Indiana Jones gave Trump the Ark of the Covenant.

That worked for me, you know.

God, I hope he opens it.

Good one, Aaron.

And Jesus gave up the thorny crown to Trump as well.

He

awarded him that.

And Jabba the Hutt presented Trump with Han Solo Carbonite, the carbonite version of Han Solo.

And that was kind of a nice little gift for Trump.

He

does

like detaining people.

Yes, yes, that's a that's

a long

detainment right there.

So and then her, you know, there's another picture of the trophy drop drop off center with these dumpsters.

I know Kim will start of this thing.

And we had a, we had a texture also may have come up with it on his own as well.

But what a great idea.

And, you know, John and Gordy were putting something together, trying to get like, let's send stuff to Trump.

But everybody, everybody's got the

idea.

And

I think

it's a fantastic

idea.

Yeah.

I mean, if,

you know, we just played the, you know, the reason why he liked taking the, the piece.

Nobel Peace Prize

right be rude not to take it.

I know it was such a ridiculous

frivolous reason to take it But he'd take anything My bowling trophies from the 60s

why not what else are you gonna do with them?

Yeah, get them out of the closet take them out of the basement

Just outrageous Okay, all right, um

Hey, this just came out Trump's letter to the Prime Minister of Norway.

Oh, really?

Yeah, so you might have heard it this morning.

Dear Jonas, Harry Sisson put this out.

Dear Jonas, considering your country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize.

That's a good way to start the letter.

Where is this going to

go?

For having

uh, stopped eight wars plus I no longer feel obligated to think

purely of peace.

Wow.

Oh boy.

Now he's off.

Not happy apparently.

He says, I have done more for NATO than any other person since it's fine.

No, he's trying to dissolve it.

He tried to dissolve it the first time he was in office.

Right.

And now NATO should do something for the United States.

The world is not secure unless we have complete and total control of Greenland.

Thank you, President DJ T.

Yeah.

Well, Sweden and Finland and Norway and the UK and Denmark and France and Germany and the Netherlands have all kind of gotten together.

Yes.

They

put together the trade bazooka.

That was Macron's idea, apparently.

He came up with the name.

You know, that is a great name.

Trade

bazooka.

I love that.

I love it.

Well, they're going to send their, you know, making plans to protect Greenland and keep them in NATO.

And they're already sending troops apparently.

All right.

Now, you've heard of Davos, right?

A lot of rich people go to Davos and

kick around

the idea of controlling the rest of the world.

This guy is Rutger.

and I think he must be a new multi-billionaire or something like that.

That's who usually ends up at these places.

Take their jets out there, the personal jets.

But anyway, he got up and this was what he said to these individuals all sitting at this desk with him.

Let's listen to cut 163.

Here

we go.

I'm

not sure

if

that's the

right

one.

Okay,

please stand by and mess these things up again.

Yeah, it's it's 260 I'm sorry 263 I said 163.

Yeah, 263.

This is my first time at Davos and and I find it quite a bewildering experience to be honest.

I mean 1500

private, yes, flown in here to hear Sir David Attenborough speak about, you know, how we're wrecking the planet.

And I mean, I hear people talk in the language of participation and justice and equality and transparency.

But then I mean, almost no one raises the real issue of tax avoidance, right?

And of the rich just not paying their fair share.

I mean, it feels like I'm at a firefighter's conference and no one's allowed to speak about water.

Yeah.

Right.

There was there was only one panel, actually.

Well, we've had two.

You're the second

of our panel.

There was only

one panel.

Let's go there.

One panel hidden away in the media center that was actually about tax avoidance.

I was about, I was one of the 15 participants.

So something needs to change here.

I mean, 10 years ago, the World Economic Forum asked the question, what must industry do to prevent a broad social backlash?

The answer is very simple.

Just stop talking about philanthropy.

and start talking about taxes.

Taxes, taxes.

We need to... I mean, just two days ago, there was a billionaire in here, what's his name?

Michael Dell.

And he asked a question like, name me one country where a top marginal tax rate of 70% has actually worked.

And, you know, I'm a historian.

The United States.

That's where it has actually worked.

In the 1950s, during Republican President Eisenhower, you know, the war veteran, the top marginal tax rate in the US was 91% for people like Michael Dell.

You know, the top estate tax for people like Mike Godel was more than 70%.

I mean, this is not rocket science.

I mean, we can talk for a very long time about all these stupid philanthropy schemes.

We can divide Bono once more.

Come on, we've got to be talking about taxes.

That's it.

Taxes, taxes, taxes.

All the rest is bullshit, in my opinion.

There you go.

And he's absolutely right about that.

And the

effective tax, by the way, even though it was like 90%, was down to like 60%.

So they paid their taxes.

And a lot of times, in order to get the tax deductions that they needed, they invested in their companies and got the tax deduction that way.

And the

companies benefited

and then people

Got more job.

Yeah, you know, it was just made more money.

It was a

great formula.

It works so well.

And now we're hearing stupid excuses like, well, if you tax them a lot, they won't try.

They don't.

You know, if you don't pay them a lot of money, they won't.

make the next vaccine that'll save

the

world.

No, that's not how it works.

It's never worked like that.

I remember this is the way they talked about it back in the 60s for me was that if you don't want that job, there's somebody behind you that will take it.

So if you don't want to work because you

have to pay higher taxes.

There'll be somebody behind you that will do it instead.

That's what that was a philosophy back in the 60s.

I

think

we should bring that thing back

because that makes

a hell of a lot more sense than saying, well, if a person's not going to make a lot of money developing that vaccine, they're not going to try.

You know, it's just, no, they're going to do that because they want to save people's lives.

That's why they come up with vaccines.

It's not all.

Based on money or transactional my god anyway So yeah, this guy has has the right thing and they always say well, it's unfair, you know rich people already pay a lot of money No, they

don't what

they're doing is they're paying it into the government who's gonna give it back to him in a tax cut, right?

This is a scam

This is so simple

in this yeah, this yeah, this is so simple to really kind of bottom line

my god, yeah

And if they finally did get taxed, guess what?

They'd still be rich.

Yeah.

It's not like they're

not going to be rich anymore if

they have to pay taxes for a few years, you know.

They still have more money than any of us will ever see.

Yes.

Well, the trick that they have is they have all of this money.

They borrow money from themselves.

Right.

And because they're doing that, they can write off the taxes and the money they're borrowing from themselves.

You know, they don't have to take loans out like you and I

have

to.

They're beyond that.

So they can get all these tax write-offs, borrow their own money.

Unbelievable stuff.

You know, if you knew all of this stuff, you wouldn't sit there defending, well, they shouldn't pay those kind of taxes, you know?

No.

They're making the money on a tax system, on a system in this country that we all pay into.

This is the free market system that Gordy and I and Aaron, everybody has paid into out of our paychecks.

We're not seeing the benefits they have.

It's time to pay forward, to give us that chance to move up the ladder into

the

next bracket,

do whatever they

can, and then they can pay this money back to us and help society move along.

That's the full.

And for some reason it doesn't seem to sink in for conservatives, some conservatives, or as many of the magas out there sadly.

Well, we keep going towards a system where it's the haves and the have nots.

You know, the middle class is basically disappearing.

Exactly.

Right before our eyes, and that's bad for everybody.

Yeah.

I

mean, you get a lot of money, you work hard, you save all this money and then you get an illness and you spend all of the money and you're back where

you started again.

So it's not a good system.

It keeps everybody in their class.

So, you know, let's, you know, if the Democrats take control of the Congress, I really hope that they just

Start from scratch.

I mean the country's already completely destroyed and Ripped

apart.

Yeah, so why not just start from scratch

start

over tax system with universal health care Which will save all of us a tremendous amount of money and take a load off our our minds our schedules I mean this is ridiculous what we have to go through they're keeping us Busy is what they're doing so we can't

protest, we can't really devise a second plan, a better plan.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, the system is broken.

And so somebody's going to have to come up with a plan.

Well, yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

You know

what?

I'm

telling you, John and Gordy are the ones who are coming up with the plan.

the John and Gordon plan.

It's already, yes, yes.

And you know, we have a promise here that if we talk to any politician in this program, we are going to ask them why they're not pushing universal healthcare first.

Why they're not funding two thirds funding of our public schools and getting rid of vouchers schools because that is taking money away from our school systems.

And then of course, providing.

at least the services that we need, making sure that PFAS is taken out of our water.

Drill new wells for the people who have those bad tainted wells out there.

We need to just start helping people

through this.

And universal base pay, I think that's another one.

Universal basic income, absolutely.

Because it's a different, it's a gig economy now, it's changed completely.

Yeah, forget about the minimum wage.

I mean, that's important fight too, but really universal

basic pay would work out better for everyone.

Yes.

Yes.

Oh, so many good ideas.

We have all the good

ideas here, but no.

We're coming back.

Yeah, I don't know.

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Oh yeah.

John and Cordy and we are in the golden years, right?

That's

us.

We, yes we are.

This is it.

Yeah, we've been around a while.

Yeah.

Um,

Both lines are back open 855-752-4842.

I

do have something here in regards to the Epstein files.

Oh, yeah.

And this is from Midas Touch, reporter Aaron Parnas.

He came out with this, I guess yesterday.

Let's listen to cut 256, I believe.

All right.

We have a major Epstein files update.

The Department of Justice in a late night filing just argued in court saying that

a court has no authority to adjudicate or enforce the Epstein Files Transparency Act.

And they did this super late at night so that the American public wouldn't know about it, but might as such actually caught this court filing as an exclusive.

So here's what happened.

Representative Ro Khanna, Representative Thomas Massey in the past week.

filed a letter with the Southern District of New York, the judge in the Glane Maxwell case, and said, you need to appoint a special master, an independent monitor, to go through and determine whether or not the DOJ is complying with the Episcene Files Transparency Act.

Well, tonight, the DOJ just responded, saying that the federal court lacks the authority to enforce the act and that Conna and Massey don't have standing to essentially recommend an independent monitor.

In short, the Department of Justice's position tonight is that no court can enforce that can or can force them to produce the files.

And everyone needs to know about it.

They did this so that happened while people were asleep.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So.

Case closed.

Well, we might as well just walk away and say, well, we tried.

So their answer is no.

Yeah.

Just like everything else when someone tries to ask them to do something.

Well, Tom Hartman was talking about this a couple hours ago, and he came under the same conclusion.

Well, that's it.

Yeah.

I guess they don't have to produce

them now.

That's all there is to it.

And they were basically saying, you didn't tell us how to produce this.

You didn't tell us what form, you know, come on.

This is ridiculous.

Paperwork itself is what you produce.

They have the files no matter what they're on, whether they're just digital or paper or wherever.

Turn them over.

I don't think that argument's gonna stand apparently They just

no court can

tell us

what to do.

Come on Including probably

next that's what they're staying.

Yeah.

Yeah,

I mean, you

know

when the Supreme Court comes out against the tariffs I would assume the arguments look like they were gonna come out against it if they do come out, you know that

Trump is not going to follow orders.

No.

And he doesn't really have to.

Well, he should follow orders because he has other alternative ways to still tear off countries, but it's more specific.

It's not general,

you

know, tariffs on the country.

Nobody's

been able to

stop him yet.

Yeah.

I'm doing anything.

Oh, I know.

Nefarious.

I know.

Well, maybe he's got some slowing down a little bit.

Just have all the money in the world be able to just

hang these things up in courtrooms everywhere.

Right.

Calling the lawyers.

Yeah.

He's got plenty of them.

Okay.

The Democrats are pushing to block billions of dollars from going to rebuild Venezuelan oil.

Okay.

Now that industry down there is in sad shape

and the

oil company is just saying, well, I don't know.

It's kind of a risky.

investment since we lost our industry twice down there.

But anyway,

I think they only have enough infrastructure to handle like 10% of what they used to have.

Yeah, something like that.

I mean, it's ridiculous.

Yeah, everything's falling apart.

The whole infrastructure and now the

very first sale is a billionaire that contributed money to Trump's campaign.

Oh, really?

And that money is now in cutter.

That's right.

He put her to set up a separate account.

Yeah, it's offshore account.

Yeah, only Donald J. Trump can get ahold of that money.

There you go.

So anyway, American taxpayers shouldn't be on the hook for this risky foreign oil project.

So Democrat is pushing this thing.

Let's listen to 260.

I don't think it's a good deal for the American taxpayer.

What we know is that the president in going in and capturing Maduro has now said that Americans are going to need to control the oil and rebuild the oil infrastructure of Venezuela.

We had Darren Woods, the CEO of ExxonMobil, say that Venezuela was uninvestable, his word, uninvestable, which angered the president, absent some sort of major subsidy.

I think the likelihood is very small that these companies are going to want to go on their own volition.

Personally and many of my colleagues do not believe that it's a good use of a hundred billion or two hundred billion dollars.

Yeah.

I'm I'm with you on that.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well they don't none of the oil companies seem particularly interested.

Oh well you know it's just one of those things that I know.

See we have no control over that country.

It's a huge country.

And, uh, and, and

the president thinks he's the president of Venezuela as well as being the president of the United States.

So yeah, we

have to,

we have to somehow secure what's going on down there.

They've got roving gangs down there.

They've always had that, by the way.

So what's going to happen?

Yeah.

Are we going to be the police power down there?

Obviously we're going to have to be.

in order to get those oil companies to feel secure enough

to

spend billions of dollars for maybe one or two years of oil.

I say one or two years because I really think that EVs are going to take off.

We're not going to even need this oil, except for maybe plastic products.

This kind of oil,

isn't it?

Part of the problem, too.

This is really what kind of oil?

It's very

thick, gummy oil.

Not really good oil.

It's

bad oil.

Yeah, it's not the clean stuff that the US comes up with but we don't have We can't we can't make it into gasoline here because we haven't put those kinds of Yeah, what are they called refineries?

Thank you Both sitting and trying to come up with that word But we don't have them and why haven't

we built refineries that take our own oil Okay, well anyway news is next

We're back in our final half hour of John and Gordy.

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Coming back after this.

It's John and Gordy in the afternoon.

On a Monday kind of cloudy in downtown Madison capital Looking a little overcast today.

We had a lot of sunshine earlier, but clouds have moved in 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 back with John Peterson.

I'm Gordy young along with our producer Aaron Zommers and Let's go to the phones right now.

We have Jean from Eau Claire.

Good afternoon, Jean

Well, good afternoon, guys.

I just want to compliment you guys, John, Gordy, and Erin on the outstanding job that you're doing, keeping us informed, love the music, love some of the lightheartedness once in a while that we all need.

And, you know, this is just my personal biased opinion.

and it is biased because I've been watching it live and it's just sickening watching the war on Americans as Mr. Wonderful thinks that he should have a peace prize.

And it's just, it makes me sick.

I'm sorry to say this, Republicans, but those of you who support this stuff, I have zero respect for any of you that you don't understand how awful this is to all the people in our country.

i think i'm sometimes like you guys can speak to us and sometimes it's hard to find the word because it's just so unbelievable but the main thing is i love that you're going to question people that come running for office and have some really good ones because we've got to elect people to change this crap around and and that guy from up north thinks he's going to run our state he better start running the other way because

Boy, if it wasn't for our governor that we had right now, we would have a Scotty Walker mess just as bad as what our country is.

And when he would, when he tied people's hands behind their, you know, with those coupling or whatever they had, I watched, you know, during the protest.

They had the older women who were singing handcuffs and they behind their back and they could hardly walk.

And I'm in Eau Claire.

So when I've seen that, I didn't know what was going on.

I cried.

I cried.

So we got, we can't have a Scotty Walker regime come back in here because we need to save our state too.

So thank you guys.

Keep up the great work.

Appreciate you guys.

Bye.

Thank

you,

Gene.

Yeah.

Thanks.

Wow.

That's great call.

Um, I'm with her on that, you know, it's, uh, wow.

I mean, we expect, or at least Tom, Tiffany expects us to vote for him when he did absolutely nothing in Congress to stop this mess from happening.

Nothing.

And now he expects to run the state.

Oh man, he's so early mistaken.

Absolutely.

Yeah, that seems to be the take on it from a lot of people that are familiar with him.

Yeah.

Well, you know, it's a mystery to me why anybody voted him into the house anyway.

But, you know, he didn't show, he's not showing up for debates with the other candidate.

It's just...

One of those things he thinks he can just glide in because he's a congressman.

Well, sorry, you know, you haven't done anything in Congress to really help us out.

In fact, you've taken our health care away.

So we should invite you into the state to be our governor.

I don't think so.

Well, you know, that's one thing about all these candidates that are running on both sides of the aisle.

I mean, if they're not willing to go to town halls or they're not willing to go door to door and talk about their plans or their policies or their ideas or to go on a listening campaign, why would you vote for them?

You don't know what they stand for.

do some homework.

And if they have the same old cliches that are used by a lot of the people on the right then ignore it.

I mean what can you do?

The best thing you can do obviously is a vote for the other candidate and somebody who's going to help us use some of that tax money that is building up four billion dollars in a state surplus

That's something that shouldn't be like that because that is a lot.

That's a lot of money that should have been spent on the state.

It's not excess.

It should have been spent on the state.

And it's like that every every buy in him.

It's like four billion dollars extra.

We're going to give a tax cut out again.

All

right.

Now I want to get to the EV issue

here.

He brought this up before.

You've got the space car.

I do.

It's great.

But you're down to 20 miles and now you don't know what you're going to do.

No.

Is that what I understood you to

say?

I'm gonna charge it overnight, and I forgot

to do it.

Your charger is working.

Yeah.

Okay, right?

Yeah, it's working just fine.

Okay.

And I actually made $4 from AMG&E for the last

two months.

Yeah, each

month, yeah, I'm on their saver plan.

Wow.

So I got $4 for each month.

I don't know where that is.

I hope they took it off my bill.

I didn't notice it on my bill.

It went over $500.

I've got to call them up and find out what the hell is going on.

Something for one month.

Yeah, one month something happened, you know, it's way over where it normally is

your son's like Bitcoin mining or something

We all had a graphics cards going on at once Here here is this is from camp.

How will EVs take off without the infrastructure?

I know we could do it but

actual morons are in power.

That's true.

We had that rolled out.

This was

something Biden put in place to roll out the charging station throughout the entire country.

And we had the money promised to all of the individuals that wanted to put the charging stations in at their businesses and filling stations in each and every state.

And then that went on hold.

They didn't want to do that anymore.

So I don't believe those charging stations are going to be going in anytime soon.

All right.

And then we have it

from Tom out in Hartford, who by the way, gave me tips on, you know, the charging station that I have installed at my home.

Right.

We've been talking.

Yeah.

I remember you because EVs wishful thinking.

Wow.

Tom, I'm.

What happened, Tom?

I'm, yeah.

You know, I believe that there is a $7,000 or $7,500 rebate.

I think still in new cars, but I'm not

sure.

I

can't.

Neal that down, but if you have a chance to drive an EV you I think you'd really love it.

I mean it's just it handles so much better than the power is incredible We have cam again absolutely not Wisconsin is not capable of handling driverless vehicles.

Well, I don't want driverless vehicles I Don't want to see that happen.

All right, let's see.

I know I have another one down here.

Oh Here Tom Tom yeah,

text it

back to

unreliable too narrow focus not really usable in cold weather because the batteries lose power in cold weather the grid is nowhere near ready for the power increase dangerous lithium batteries Tom Tom Tom well then it's a it's the saline

lithium batteries, right?

Okay.

It's I believe it is the salt saline batteries that they've come out with now that you can make anywhere in the world.

You don't need all these special metals or anything like that.

This is really truly a breakthrough.

And it's a Chinese company that makes batteries for it is trying to get them to make the batteries for their vehicles.

So I believe that that is going to be a breakthrough that really we're all going to benefit from.

As far as the cold weather is concerned, true.

I think I lost about 50 to 70

25 miles off my charging because of the cold weather.

And, well, you know, that's the way it is currently.

That's what we have right now.

Well, Tom had another follow up.

He said, not saying if someone wants to purchase an EV.

Hang on.

I know.

Just scrolled past now.

Not saying if someone wants to purchase an EV, go ahead.

Just don't ask me to subsidize it.

So, Tom.

Okay, Tom.

Come on, man.

Which side are the...

Yeah.

Bouncing back and forth like a BB in a box car.

No, no, no, I

think I'm talking.

Well, wait, maybe maybe there's another guy in a kind of walk.

I'm not sure.

I can knock him a walk.

Let's go to Milwaukee.

All right, let's go to Charles.

Charles has some thoughts on the EVs.

Hey, Charles.

Hey, good afternoon guys first first.

He's he's burning the world down but but beside that and and he's asking for $1 billion to join his peace plan in Gaza So I wonder what that going his personal accounts also but but anyway on the EV I I Don't have one.

I have a 23 Prius and I love it.

Well, I do too.

I I I driven

Tesla twice a post a post are once and Chevy boat a couple of times and I I love them.

Yeah They they yeah, you hit the pedal and you just you just go

off.

Yeah You just go no more dealing with the oil and gas and all of that stuff and Like I said, yeah, I

I've driven them, so I rented them.

And for Tom, nobody's making you buy one, Tom.

Just like nobody's making a woman get an abortion.

You don't have to get one, Tom, if you don't want one.

I mean, he is butt hurt about the EV vehicle.

Like somebody's going to make him get one.

That's right.

Yeah.

Okay.

You know, there is the goal, of course, and this is what Republicans often complain about.

You know, the goal is to do away with all gas engines by 2035 or something like that.

And the silliness about all of that is that that will be extended if it's not met or meetable.

They will extend it.

They always do.

It's not a big deal.

It's not going to stop anything.

But here's the thing.

This is the thing.

As people buy these EVs, they become used vehicles and then they are available in the used car market

and

people can suddenly afford them because they'll be in the range of, you know, seven to maybe 15,000 and they could start buying the EVs and starting to enjoy them and charging them.

Of course, you know.

You have to put a charging station at home.

That costs $2,000.

My butt still hurts from

that one.

Kevin in McWannagos says, why don't you do some research on all the EV cars that were destroyed during the California wildfires

and

see what an absolute disaster that is trying to get rid of those?

Well, get rid of those, meaning having to.

The batteries, or?

Maybe get.

Rhythm them because they're no longer usable.

Yeah, maybe I don't know up in the fire.

I know what to do with them probably Probably just about disposing of the batteries.

Yeah, maybe so.

Okay.

Yeah.

All right, so I

mean that's that's true of all cars Yeah, yeah, right rid of them somehow, right?

Let's go back to the phones.

Jack is on the line from Merrimack.

Good afternoon, Jack

Good afternoon guys.

I wanted to point out that

gasoline vehicles and I'm currently driving one now actually.

Lose mileage in the very cold weather too.

The density of the air

is

significantly greater in weather like this and my mileage has gone down from, I usually get about 33 with my current vehicle.

It's gone down to about 28 at this point.

So it's a significant difference too.

The second thing I wanted to say is we're already subsidizing gasoline vehicles.

Indirectly, we have a welfare tax break for the oil companies that's called a depletion allowance.

Basically, for every gallon of petroleum they pull out of the earth, they get a tax break for it.

We're paying that if we took that income.

The first thing I'm going to say is I own stock, inherited stock in one of the oil companies, and they'll still make billions anyway.

And the second thing is if we took that money and used it to build a charging station in virtually every gas station across the country, and there'd be enough there because there's billions involved, we could have a much more viable EV situation than we do have now.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, definitely.

Yeah.

You know, the thing is innovation continues and we'll have better ways of dealing with all of this.

Yep.

And we'll take a brief time out here.

Back with John and Gordy.

We'll wrap things up after this.

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So John and Gordy talking about EVs again.

I'm just trying to help, you know, we have a solution to the problem we have with air pollution and climate change.

But you know what?

When people make that argument with climate change, I always switch the topic because I go to the pollution part of it, not climate change so much.

I mean, we are inhaling a lot of pollutants.

Let's stop doing that because a lot of people die from

preventable deaths because of these diseases that they get because of pollution but we can't point a finger at any one industry and they know it and that is an externality that's what they call externalities and they're not paying for any of that that's why a lot of green people want to actually get out there and have the industry

pay more money in because we're actually suffering out here paying our own bucks.

But anyway, I think that the EV movement should continue.

We know and we just heard about Canada taking Chinese vehicles, EV vehicles.

And

these are like really innovative and very inexpensive.

So who knows, you know, they're knocking at the door here and one person suggests D does if we could just figure out a heat pump They heat the EVs that would go a long way They said they moved from Florida and sold theirs mostly because it was a two-wheel drive and in colder days down there would reduce the mileage, you know

My recommendation to is get an all-wheel drive especially in weather like we have up here

in the Midwest

Yes, all-wheel drive

is a way to

go through the snow a little bit better I know they have front wheel

or

rear wheel but get all-wheel drive right and you can take it off to

all-wheel, by the way, can have two-wheel drive during the summer.

I

still don't know how to do that.

We were going to Illinois and, you know, the weather was fine.

There wasn't any snow on the roads, and I wanted to put it in two-wheel drive, and I don't know how to do it.

So it's a learning process.

This was on the new car?

Yeah, the space

car.

And and then of course we have here cam says on the contrary.

I'm forcing Tom to get one because he keeps bitching

Okay, all right Um

we have our listeners fighting amongst themselves.

Yeah, one other thing We did get a message from Tom and Hartford saying it's estimated over 30,000 EV batteries exploded making those fires much worse it is important to note these are not from EVs it was in a factory that caught fire the same thing happens if a

you know, a, let's say a coal plant or something catches fire.

Any kind of facility like that is going to be dangerous when it catches.

All right.

Well,

it makes sense to me.

And didn't we discover that EVs, as far as China goes and selling them to Canada, I mean, China is so far ahead of us in this area.

Oh, absolutely.

I mean, that solar wind, they've just, you know, while we're sitting here fighting about it for the last decade or so, they've taken the lead on.

All this new

technology.

My son said, ah, you know, China has all these deserts and they put all of these wind farms in and solar panels.

They are way ahead of the curve.

When we sit here and say, well, China got all those coal plates.

No,

no,

no.

That's

that's not true.

That's not true.

It says here, let's see.

I'm living with an.

Oh, Dodge Daytona.

What was that from?

Um, oh, I see.

Have you seen the electric challenger spiritual successor?

And that's the dot.

No, I have not

seen that.

Don't know that.

It'd be pretty cool.

And especially in a hot car, you know, uh, try living with an EV for a year.

It's always it, it.

year is not always hybrid.

They have a gas engine for reliability.

Most used EVs will be scrapped because of the huge cost of the new EV batteries.

That's not true because they're aftermarket.

EV batteries that you could have replaced the original equipment.

So plus, I think EV technology or battery technology will take off and become a lot less expensive for those batteries and they'll be able to replace them in the vehicles that if you want to replace them.

Just seems like we're in this transition phase.

I mean, that's going to be going through this for the next five, 10 years before we settle in on a lot of these things that are making advances right now.

that'll be affecting us in the future.

Well, one of the things when you,

we're looking around for a Prius.

The Prius battery lasts around 10 years or 15 years, something like that.

The new batteries that are in the EVs will last around 20 to 30 years.

So they last a lot longer.

So replacing them may not be an issue for most people that have EVs.

Okay.

All right, just to let you know, and you Mr. Know it all over here.

Thank God you know all this stuff.

Who would we turn to?

I know.

I don't know.

Now we're getting some more messages here.

We've got a couple more minutes to go.

Any ideas?

What's happening on Schwab's show tonight?

Aaron, can you look that up?

It's a good question.

I'm

going to do some research.

Looking up on TV Guide and TV Guide.

Remember that?

Oh, God.

I haven't seen a TV guy.

And I don't think they make them anymore.

Do they?

I don't think so.

I think that went out with high button

shoes.

But I used to get the TV guys because they had really cool pictures on the inside

and the covers.

They had good articles too.

Yeah.

Get the inside.

Well, I used to say that about Playboy too.

They really had good articles.

Oh, yeah.

But actually

they did.

Yeah.

They were really good.

They had some of the greatest artists and the best writers in those magazines.

Yeah.

Good stuff.

Good stuff.

Well, all right.

Well,

have we exhausted

ourselves here?

What?

You think we have

more messages?

More messages here if you would just scroll up every once in a while.

Can we get another mouse?

Can we get two

mice?

I

don't

know.

I feel like if you plug two mice into the same computer.

That would just be even more confusing.

I don't think that works.

It can work.

They work together.

you know and so you'd be fighting each other the whole time well what else is new

yeah

well

arm wrestle or maybe have an indian indian leg fighters whatever they call him

whatever

um yeah Schwab is off tonight but

he has a best of show that's correct you know there's a reason they call him best

of yes yeah because they're really really good so stay tuned for Pete Schwabba and the nightlight crew coming up next right

all right i

i'm

waiting for

it okay i'm

looking forward to it

hey that's gonna do it for us but we'll be back tomorrow from two until five we hope you'll join us then it's John and Gordy so long everybody see you

later

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