“Comply Or Die” Is A Bad Faith Argument (Hour 2)

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“Comply Or Die” Is A Bad Faith Argument (Hour 2)

John & Gordy · Fri Jan 16, 2026

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sounds good now let's talk about um mad king don i know i know i want

to call

him a king but he is a dictator yeah and but that doesn't roll as well as mad king don

right right

i mean he thinks he's a king we are using it

in a negative way.

So look, I don't want to sit here and have to explain this.

Diagram that out on the whiteboard.

What are you doing?

What's the story?

Okay, the

story is, and this is really gotten under my cross, Trump floated the tariff idea against countries that don't go along with his plans for Greenland.

All right.

He

just can't let go of this.

Let that sink in.

Yeah.

Okay.

Great.

This is just, I, you know, he is, he's truly mad.

You know, I

mean.

Mad, crazy mad.

Yes.

Yes.

We're not calling him names.

No one would think like this.

No one would ask for something like this unless they were totally mad.

Right?

Yes.

Alright, let's let's let's let's listen to the madness.

Okay.

I said no, we're gonna put a 25 percent tariff, which is by the called Germany.

No, no, no, we will not do that.

I said no, we're gonna put a 25 percent tariff, which is by the way about Seven times more

Then they would have to say by raising their

like seven times.

This wasn't like a little

bit more seven times more.

And and I may do that for Greenland too.

I may put a tariff on countries if they don't go along with Greenland because we need Greenland for national security.

So I may do that.

OK, there it is.

That's that's the threat.

That's what he said.

I'm not making it up.

Well, I haven't paraphrased it.

I'm sure him saying it right that he's gonna put a tariff on countries that don't let him go along with stealing Greenland

Mm-hmm.

Well, he probably knows that Canadian troops are going into Greenland as well as British troops and German troops Yeah, they're heading toward Greenland even as we speak they may already be there truly amazing.

Yeah

I may put a tariff on countries if they don't go along with Greenland because we need Greenland for national security.

Wow.

France, Germany, Sweden, Finland, Norway, the Netherlands all send in troops into Greenland.

So what do you think of that?

Yeah.

What is it?

Is it time to call this guy mad?

Is it?

This is just outrageous what he's doing to

the

cities.

He wants to do more of what's happening in Minneapolis.

They're all across the country.

They're

training people for it.

He confirmed it.

They're gonna have special forces going in to all these different cities.

And it's just, he

truly is mad.

He

just wants to get even.

or back at,

I don't know.

He just wants to create more and more chaos.

That's why Venezuela, that's why Columbia, Canada, Greenland, you know, still got a war in Ukraine.

We

did not have that problem.

The problem he's talking about is immigration.

Right?

The fact that there are people in this country, immigrants, here illegally, I got it, or even legally at this point, they started kicking them out and swooping them up.

So it it wasn't so much just the immigrants who are here illegally right even the ones who were here Legally got swept up.

They are taking kids and They're using kids as hostages to get the parents to come out of the house to take

their child believable Yeah, just stirring up more disruption and chaos and confusion and distraction from the Epstein files and here

Here's the thing, I thought of this today.

When they swoop these people up and their families are wondering where their relative is, where these people are, and it's one, two, three, four days later, they find out when they're released, the thing here is why not have a list every night?

They come out with a list of the people they have arrested.

and put that list out so people can check those lists and find out who's been swept up by ICE.

Wouldn't that be a little more convenient?

They don't seem to care a damn about anything that we care about.

The

thing is, if you write down a list of the people who have been disappeared, then there might be some accountability.

There's more

of a

record of it.

That's it.

They don't want

accountability.

Let's head to the phones.

Jean is calling from Eau Claire.

Good afternoon, Jean.

Hi, guys.

Great show as usual.

I would like to say some characteristics here of a sadistic personality disorder.

And I would like people to think about those.

Just think of any people that might fit this description, okay?

Okay.

A perversive pattern of cool, demeaning,

and aggressive behavior.

Use physical cool to your violence in relationships.

Humiliate or I'm cutting this down so we don't get into it if I take so much time.

Humiliation or demeaning people in the presence of others has treated or disciplined someone under their control.

unusually harshly, amused, takes pleasure in psychological or physical suffering of others, including animals, lied for the purpose of harming or inflicting pain on others, gets others to do what they want by frightening them or through intimidation.

restricts autonomy of people.

It's fascinated by violence, weapons, martial arts, or torture.

Now, does anybody have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight of these characteristics?

Who are the people being hired by this to raise havoc in all of our

Cities in America

that's right, and they really don't have any standards for the ice agents.

You're hiring me personality disorder folks Is that a

real disorder?

Is that is that the actual disorder?

Yep, that now this is an older model of the DMS three are revised so this is an older one

but let me tell you works i don't think we can make any of these and one particular person and a lot of the people that are now running the different areas of our government folks we gotta educate we've got to get out

in droves to get these people out of office, including those in the state of Wisconsin.

Absolutely.

Thanks, guys.

Have a good day.

Bye-bye.

Thank you for that.

Thank you.

Of course, you've collapsed in one spot, and that's the administration.

Let's go to Joe.

Joe, hey, what do you got?

Well, I'm sorry.

I missed the first hour of your fabulous show.

So if you've already touched on the Nobel Prize, I did want to return to that.

No, we

talked

about a little bit

yesterday, but go ahead.

Yeah, as we know, it was this lovely woman, Machado, just gave him the prize because why not?

And huge grin on his face because it's the same as winning it if somebody gives it to you.

You know, I found that old Oscar statuette at the junk store.

It's the same as winning it.

I want

And I just, I think where this ends up is just going to be fantastic.

And in terms of, um, uh, fantastically thick, um, but also some good laughs here and there, um, it is noted that Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

Um, and this is a quote was talking about, uh, Mr. Mr. Trump.

And he said, this is a peacetime president, the guy who wants to invade.

Wow.

He says, this is a peacetime president.

He said, now can't you guys, he's made 8.5 deals.

Ending war.

8.5.

What's the .5?

I mean, what on earth would that be?

And almost, almost

deal.

Yeah, and then he adds and he's also ended the war on saturated fat now.

I didn't know there was a Yeah, what a messy thing that must be reminds you that time they had that terrible fire at the butter factory remember that Oh, yeah,

January

and people were slipping and sliding around that so that that must be what we are to go back to but I I do love the fact that we just pick numbers out of the air like 8.5

that he was taunting Carney recently, the Canadian Prime Minister, and saying that Canada owes, I think it was $2.8 trillion to the United States because of this or that.

Again, the numbers absolutely picked out of the air.

And apparently, Carney, and to his credit, just had this three-word response, show your work.

I

think

that's the other thing about this Nobel Prize that he's grabbing.

He's got this new idea here now.

There's no reason to do the work.

Just get somebody to give you a prize.

You don't need the Nobel Prize in mathematics.

Just hold a gun to somebody's head and take it.

Look at me.

I'm really good

in

math.

He is such a bully.

He truly is.

You just gotta have everybody else's toys.

It doesn't matter whether he has awarded the Peace Prize as long as he can have it.

It'll be interesting if the Nobel Committee does give him the prize eventually for his...

for this victory in the war on

sanctuary.

Yes, a saturated fat.

That's a big one.

I think

we can win that

one.

All right, Joe.

Have a great week, guys.

Thanks, Joe.

Yeah, by the way, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has stated, they came out with a statement yesterday, saying the facts are clear and well established.

Once a Nobel Prize is announced, it cannot be revoked, shared or transferred to others.

And that decision is final and stands for all time.

So they're saying she may have given it to him, but it's not his.

I hope it doesn't hurt his feelings.

19 pass the hour.

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John and Gordy in the afternoon having quite the discussion here about Mad King Don and the fact that he might just tear off all the countries that took all along with him on his plans for Greenland.

Wow.

I mean, you know, I never saw this one coming.

This is just nuts.

And if that Supreme Court doesn't take the tariff weapon away from him, we are in real trouble.

Right.

Wow.

I mean, that decision's now weighing very heavily on this nation.

So we'll see what happens where they come down on that.

That should be out

any day, I guess.

I think so.

Let's head back to the phones.

855-752-4842.

Charles has been waiting on the line.

From Milwaukee.

Good afternoon Charles

Hey, hey happy Friday guys couple questions So the first one has to do with the murderous agent and Minneapolis I noticed yesterday when I was watching the video again him walking away With his with a pep in his step.

He had a front vest Just full of things were doing off any of those things were knocked off when she ran them

over

My thing is when I figured something would have fallen

right that that that occurred to me as well So yeah, he looked like he had a pep in his step and yeah, everything was in place on his best

First thing then my second thing has to do with the This whole thing with immigrants and how they're saying, you know, we're getting out the the people that are not supposed to be here that the illegal people so what what

But Europeans that came here with the visa, that visa that expired, wouldn't they be here illegal as well?

Yes, and that would include Elon, is that correct?

Right, because my thing is, I have not seen not a one video where they're snatching any Europeans out of their cars, or their kids out of schools, or their day cares, or busing down the doors to

to get them in, send them back to either another country or the country where they were born.

Yeah.

Yeah, you know, during the census when I would go out and have these questionnaires, I ran into a whole bunch of people at the university and they were here at the college to learn what they needed to learn and go back to their countries and improve their countries.

By what they have learned here by the degree that they get here at our university And we're stopping that we're preventing that from happening We're preventing other countries from improving by learning what we can teach them here And they can take it back home with them.

That's what's happening in this country right now

So Charles thanks for that call.

Yeah

and lines are open eight five five seven five sometimes again on my soap box eight four two maybe a little bit too much today you know it's friday uh we got the weekend to relax you know you'll be able to kick back a little bit you got big plans for the weekend i don't know yeah you're gonna work around the house you're gonna check out your new ai glasses i'm gonna work

i'm working on the eyeglasses yeah i you know it's gonna take a learning curve but i know i can grab

Grab ahold of these things and learn it very quickly.

All right.

I mean, you know, we'll see how long it takes AI to catch up to me.

Oh, okay.

Well, you tried the

glasses on, right?

I did.

And they had the right prescription, right?

Yes.

I

mean, so

they look great.

Yeah.

Okay.

Fantastic.

Brett says that we should start mailing.

our old trophies from high school to the White

House.

That's a good idea.

Hey.

After all the people that complain about participation trophies.

Yes.

Yeah.

Well, there you go.

Gather those up, put them in a box.

Again, it's like I said, it's a guy who wants to have everybody else's things, you know?

And

that gives them happiness.

And this is a perfect idea, Brett.

Wow.

Let's start sending our old trophies from high school to the White House.

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Washington, DC.

Seriously.

I don't know the zip code.

Maybe we can look that up.

That is a good

guy.

Ah, okay.

Great suggestion.

It is a really good.

They need more, they mean, yeah, they need more gold and brass.

You know, we hardly have any

time.

We gotta take another break here, but I'll tell you what, it's just enough time to put CJ on.

What do you got for us,

CJ?

What?

Are you kidding me?

No, I'm not

kidding.

I don't know.

He's been waiting on the line here.

I don't know if we can get CJ.

Okay, let's...

Alright, we're gonna go to it right now.

Here we go.

All right.

Good afternoon CJ Happy happy weekend

22 hours.

I think

you were busy calling Tom Hartman again.

Yeah,

you know, I Well, yeah, he puts me on but you know, I heard that I was on probation and I must have got cut off because I don't know what I did wrong to get it but

I guess I got a number one fan.

I think you mentioned his name just a minute ago that wants to do facts checking.

Well, I got a few facts that I'd like him to check on.

Joe Biden, more Americans died from COVID during Joe Biden and Donald Trump.

That's one.

That's irrelevant.

I don't know what you're getting at.

A 1.9% inflation rate.

to Joe Biden and his administration, he took it up to nine percent.

That's number two.

The third one I'd like to have him check is that, um, the Biden, uh, Harris borders are had the highest illegal immigration of anybody in the history of the country at 6,000 per day.

Well, Harris wasn't the borders.

Complains that we're going to find.

the worst of the worst.

She wasn't the border czar.

So that's incorrect.

And by the way,

by the way, it wasn't so much doesn't exist.

The inflation wasn't necessarily a problem that Biden had.

It was it was the fact that we had COVID and we had a supply chain problem, which created the high prices and the and the greed flation as well.

So I just thought I'd set the record straight.

Am I fact checking the fact checker?

I think

so news is coming up next we'll be back with more of John and Gordy after this It's John and Gordy in 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2

Yeah, some more phone calls coming in here.

Let's head to Merrill, Wisconsin.

Cornell is on the line.

Good afternoon, Cornell.

Hello.

Hi.

Am I there?

Yes, you are.

You are on the air.

Oh,

okay.

Well, thanks for taking my call.

You bet.

I've been studying Ukraine and I hope that people don't forget about Ukraine.

Uh, the, um, uh,

Kushner and Weikov are making a peace deal with Putin and Putin keeps throwing 100 to 400 drones a day into Ukraine and right now that Ukraine has no power at all in Kiev and the people are really suffering because it's below zero and I just hope the people will don't forget about Ukraine and

I mean, he's killing civilians.

Putin has killed 13,000 civilians, 1,000 children in the last two years, and the girl's yelling, it's a genocide over there.

I give my report from Professor Gerard's, G-E-R-E-D-E-S.

He does a Ukraine report, and I hope the people will...

Don't forget about Ukraine because they're really suffering.

It's awful cold there and they knocked out the energy starts there So they have no heat no power.

So I just hope that the people will support Ukraine

Was a good a good point.

Yeah, good reminder.

I can't

forget about Ukraine.

That's for sure.

Yeah, and

Who is the professor that you mentioned there?

Oh, I like your

yard

I looked it up.

I don't know how it's pronounced, but it's GERDS or GERDS G-E-R-D-E-S.

Okay.

Well, Cornell, thank you for that reminder, and we appreciate you contacting us.

Well, we'll look for that.

Yeah.

All right.

Very good.

It's on

social media.

Is that where it's located?

Yeah, he has a YouTube channel.

Okay.

YouTube, okay.

Okay.

Good

to know.

All right.

Always good to have some new sources

for this

information.

We'd like to pass them along to you.

I think we have, uh, do we have a dark left sitting, uh, in our little library there recently, at least this month?

I believe so.

We'll check here in a moment, but we can go back to the phones here.

Brett is online.

Oh, let's go to Brett.

He's been

texting us here.

Let's, uh, let's go to

Brett.

Hey guys, it's time to Dean CJ the Airways.

I appreciate your re, uh, you were right.

It's exactly what I told

him.

Yeah.

Or I would have told him as well.

But he got a couple of other things I wanted to mention.

I'm no fan of his, so he got that wrong.

And, um, and this, this whole, you know, when Joe Biden was president,

Chase

Burgers, well, Chase Burgers were $1.50 more.

Who cares?

Joe Biden doesn't have that army of secret code shooting people in the, you know, in the public.

Yes.

Yeah, yeah, we all right.

Okay.

That's an excellent point.

Right.

Thank you.

You know, I wish, uh, you know, like CJ or any of the other, uh, magas that, uh, do appreciate listening to some of what we do here.

Uh, I wish they'd at least acknowledge the fact that maybe some of these things are not working out as they had been planned.

Well, right.

And, and not only magas, but just the old regular Republicans.

that identify as just Republicans, you know, that might be a little bit more reason.

Is this what you really voted for?

Is this what you wanted?

Yeah, you wanted the immigrants

out, right?

Now

is it

okay to go after the Americans?

Yeah.

Right?

I mean, that's what's happening in Minneapolis.

Yes, and it's continuing.

It's outrageous.

Why don't

we listen?

In fact, we have Mike.

Mike from Muscaday on the line.

Good afternoon, Mike.

Go ahead.

Hi,

Mike.

How are you guys doing?

I appreciate the debate here and talking to you guys and this whole deal in Minnesota.

When an officer of the law tells me to do something, I generally listen.

I

don't go and

confront

them or get in their face.

or taunt them because they're doing their job.

And I have immense respect for law enforcement, whether it's ICE or it's local cop, even a mall cop.

I mean, if they tell you to do something, don't keep after them.

If this woman wouldn't have stalked them and harassed them, you know, maybe she'd be alive today.

It's just sad.

It's tragic.

These people, they're like sheeple.

They're not people.

They've got some kind of, it's kind of a, you talk about derangement syndrome, they've got it.

And I don't know what's going on, but there's a lot of paid people over there doing a lot of dirty work.

Now, do you watch the video, right, Mike?

Right, and did you see that?

Renée's vehicle was in the middle of the road So vehicles actually went by behind her car and in front of her car.

So she didn't really block anybody Right

and she was in the process of moving her vehicle and complying with yes, what they was going to ask her to do

But you know I wasn't there and

I'm not a nice officer in that situation.

And, you know, it just exploded.

And it's unfortunate, just like this George Floyd thing.

If he were to listen to the police, he'd still be alive.

When they tell you to do something, listen to them.

Don't go jacking with them all day.

It's sad.

It's terrible.

If I may weigh in on something, I would say in both of these instances, I think, yes, the

citizens should have listened, but the response to them disobeying was very strong.

Like kneeling on George Floyd's neck for nine minutes is more than excessive.

And shooting Renee Good is also very excessive compared to what it is that they did.

And that according to the rules, by the way, ICE rules, they're not supposed to do what he did.

He shot a person in a vehicle.

trying to move their vehicle.

He got in front of a vehicle, which is another thing he should not have done.

He should not have used deadly force in a situation like that.

That is against ICE rules.

There are no rules according to the Trump administration.

So, you know, they have immunity on anything at this point that they're doing.

Are you okay with immunity, Mike?

I'm okay.

I'm okay with

with certain aspects of the whole perspective here, but I'm not okay with not listening to the police officers.

Cause in every case, if they were to listen to them, they'd still be alive today and you cannot deny that fact.

And by the way, CJ is my hero.

All right.

Well, okay.

You know, Mike, we love hearing from you.

So keep it up, you know, give us a call back when you have an opinion to pass along to us.

We always at least appreciate, you know, discussing what we have to discuss here and in fact, checking each other in regards to all the stuff that's going on right now.

But I do think that into the videos out there and we can kind of see what's going on in the videos, including George Floyd.

I think leading up to we have a lot of evidence

proving our side.

So let's go back to the phones.

Mark is on the line from Perry to sack.

Good afternoon, Mark.

Go ahead.

Well, trying to process what I just heard.

From what Mike just said, those people were told to get out of the Capitol when they breached the Capitol on January 6th.

Every single one of them could have been shot.

That's true.

It's utter nonsense to spout this stuff.

But she did not offer any kind of real threat to these guys.

I mean, to that guy.

And he was angry and he shot her.

That's why he did.

He was pissed off.

and he shot a woman, Wofford Eck, no threat to him whatsoever.

Scrap, oh, you gotta listen to the police, listen to the police.

Part of our right of freedom of speech is to petition our government.

And she's trying to petition our government, I mean, in this particular case.

She wasn't causing any kind of real obstruction to them at all, getting out there to do their kind of business.

And these cops apparently they dumped a flashbang and then they landed underneath the van and filled it with smoke and the child just could have died.

I mean, the baby could have died.

I mean, do you think that, do they think this is okay?

I mean, you know, see, it is just...

I haven't followed up on the child and the baby.

I don't know what happened to the baby.

Well, I heard today that apparently the ball's underneath the flashbang.

bolster underneath and bolster underneath the wrong vehicle what the heck are they deploying flashbangs for in the first place

right yeah i mean

it is just beyond me that they're doing this stuff you do not lead do not lean into vehicles you do not good you know break window to lean into to try to stop the one time i ever leaned into a vehicle a pump gas it's really dinner in the in the in my the girl that came in it you said we need to look at cold out there i think that it should be a big old kiss but i mean it it is just yeah

It is that you do not lean into a vehicle.

That's right.

I mean that you break a window and try to grab it.

You're not going to, it's idiotic.

You're not going to stop a vehicle by holding onto the car door or the window.

Yeah.

If you shoot somebody, what happens if they hit the accelerator and the car falls into a bunch of people that are on the other side of the street?

Right.

It's

idiotic.

I mean that this guy,

you have

to, you have to, you have to, it is just.

I know, but

here's

the

thing.

Yeah, we understand.

Here's the thing.

I don't think Renee Nicole Good actually stalked anybody.

I think she was there dropping him off her friend and she parked that way in order to block traffic because the whistles were going.

Ice was there.

This is their way of protesting the situation and protesting is legal as far as I know.

and and she did block traffic and but well not really blocked any traffic but she did have her car sideways and traffic could at least go through either front or back of her vehicle.

There was nothing there that really caused a scene except for the agent who decided to take the law into his own hands.

Yeah, and she was asked to move and she was complying with that and she said, she I'm not mad at you, dude.

Exactly.

Right,

right to the guy who

shot her.

That's outrageous.

And they had a lot alone.

She'd just, you know, make you think they had a picture of her license plate.

They could have just let her go and, you know, giving her a ticket later at her address.

But yeah.

Yeah.

Anyway, OK, all seen the video.

Let's see.

Let's go to Cam and Appleton.

Good afternoon cam go ahead.

Good afternoon gentlemen.

I is it a a generational thing to be saying For cops to be jacking them around is that a generational thing because I've never quite heard that before in it I don't know if Mike's flamboyant, but that sounds very flamboyant coming from a I mean, I'm bisexual myself, right?

So, hearing someone say Jack and cops around, it sounds like someone that has a lot of experience with hot cops.

Well, no.

It's an old phrase.

It's an old phrase.

Okay, okay.

But.

I mean, hey, Mike, no, no, I'm not ragging on you.

If you're into hot cops and stuff, man, I could help you pick out a neat outfit.

I'm sure.

Um, hey, so these people that are talking about, like, as if, uh, Renee or George Floyd, if they had just obeyed

or

Mike saying that CJ is his hero, you guys already pointed out Jan six, but like none of you people put on your masks when you were told to.

You, you.

react so quickly to things that emotionally distress you.

You don't use logic with anything.

The party of the F Your Feelings group is so hell bent on forcing their feelings on everyone else.

Mike, you're an embarrassment and I can't wait till your arthritis catches up to you and you can't use a phone anymore.

All right, well, all right, thanks for calling.

Now let's go to, do we have time?

No, we don't.

We'll get to Todd or Billy and Don in just a few moments right here with John and Gordy in the afternoon.

Coming right back.

Kathryn Lake

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It's John and Gordy.

Coming up, we've got a message from Tim Walls, quite the message.

And also, Tim Miller from Bulwark, he got a kick out of a protester up in Minneapolis.

And I did too.

And when I found Tim's version of it, I thought, oh, well, I've got to pass this along to just about everybody.

It's a nice opinion from one of the people out there protesting, not a normal everyday guy who protests, but I like what he said.

So we'll be getting to that in just a few moments.

First, let's go to the phone lines.

We've got Todd or Billy on what he got for us today.

In my mind, John and Gordy,

When you say that you should comply with law enforcement officials, there's a couple different ways to think about that.

And one would be if the law enforcement official is well trained and acting justly and appropriately, you should comply with them because it's right and proper.

That's what I was thinking,

yeah.

But also, you know, one might argue you should comply.

for your safety when a law enforcement officer is acting unjustly or abusively because for self-preservation.

And those are two

very

different things.

When black parents have conversations with their children about how to act when there's a police stop, I don't know that it's necessarily because they expect that the law enforcement is going to be legitimate and appropriate.

It's because

they want their children to preserve their lives.

And so that doesn't necessarily, you know, so an ICE, for instance, the way that it has been staffed up recently, I don't see them as legitimate law enforcement officers acting appropriately.

So if the reason to comply with them is for your own safety, not necessarily out of respect for the law, in my opinion.

Mm-hmm.

Oh, I agree.

Yeah,

I agree Very good.

All right, Todd or Billy.

Thank you.

Yeah, thanks for that Let's head to Walker Shaw.

Don is on the line.

Go ahead, Don

Hi, thanks for having me on.

The one thing I want to talk about in that incident is that no one seems to be talking about the fact that they plan this operation in the middle of a school Pick up or drop off easily like the two busiest and most stressful times right everyone's day and then

As a former legislator, I got to work closely with police leaders, and they're training dictates that when you're trying to apprehend somebody, you're looking for path of least resistance.

You're looking for isolated situations.

You want to minimize risk to civilians, and you certainly don't want to engage with innocent people trying to get out of a busy

street.

you know you want to focus on the court you know you're looking for illegal aliens doing crime well why are you bothering a housewife but two kids or whatever that is but it just it shows the expertise or lack thereof involving ice and people defending the legitimacy of it when

they're

wearing masks and they're planning these very public-facing seizures or whatever you want to call them operations that just are very contradictory to what

proper police, you know, protocol in my opinion.

Well, yeah, I think also that they're intimidating a lot of people out there.

You can protest all you want.

You're not supposed to intimidate them and then push them around and then think that, well, they can't push me back.

That's okay.

You know, people can only put up with so much.

And I think that's what's wrong here.

The protesters are really fed up with this, the way the ICE agents are acting.

I mean, this is just...

You know, it's intolerable.

And I can see why people are frustrated with them.

But so next time CJ calls, ask him that

question about that.

What do

you know about proper seizures or proper operations?

You know, would you want to have one during a school drop off or pick

up?

Yeah, that's the worst

possible time.

Yeah, and also kids, innocent kids that could be in the line of fire.

I know.

Yeah, I know the video that I saw, you know, the school that was attacked the high school,

but

that was so, I mean, it was just appalling.

I couldn't imagine my kid being in

there.

Unbelievable, yeah.

Melee was just outrageous.

Don, thanks for that call.

Thanks, Don.

I appreciate it.

Yeah, yeah.

Appreciate it.

Have a great weekend.

You too.

All

right, you too.

Yeah, phone lines are back open again.

All right.

We got a little time here.

When we get to Tim Miller and Sam Stein, they were listening to a protester up there in Minneapolis.

I kind of liked it myself.

I had a lot of bleeping to do.

So let's check this baby out.

Okay.

It's 242.

All right.

This is just a man on the street interview and it really made my morning.

Sorry.

There's going to be some cussing.

We're going out to these sort of things, but never, never.

I've never protested in my life.

My brother, my brother's here.

He does it all the time.

I've never, I got dude.

I, like I said, I'm far enough away, but close enough.

And I'm sitting in my cushy house and looking to get mad.

And I, yeah, they're just trying to fucking scare people.

And, you know, but, but.

But why shoot people?

No, you know what really pisses me off is the fact that they detain people, cuff them, and then still beat the f*** out of them.

They tell you it's immigrants, only immigrants, it's f***ing anybody.

I have friends out God detained and all they were doing was f***ing driving home from work.

Sounds like you don't fit the definition of the uh... I'm not f***ing paid to be here like everybody f***ing says.

What the f*** is that?

I gotta work in the goddamn morning, just like everybody else.

I'm just here trying to stand up for community, dude.

We're all human beings here.

I don't give a f*** who you are, where you came from, what color you are.

It doesn't f***ing matter.

This is wrong.

I gotta work in the goddamn morning, just like everybody else.

That's my Rick Santelli.

You know Rick Santelli?

The tea, the variant that supposedly started the tea party.

Rick Santelli moment, this guy.

That's right.

And that's what I was thinking too.

Rick Santelli was on the floor of Wall Street and it started ranting about everything being unaffordable and that kind of started off the tea party.

So yeah, this might be that

tea

party moment for a lot of people that was a normal everyday person ranting.

There you have it.

Yeah, what a day to...

You know, at least come out with something like that.

We'll get Tim Wald's message

in just a few moments as well.

Governor Minnesota, yeah, he had something to say about the current situation.

We'll have that and more after a break for news, weather and sports.

Sean and Gordy, stay with us.

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