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Six minutes past the hour, it's John and Gordy on this Thursday afternoon, coming up in a little while.
Former US Attorney Jim Santel and then Rocker is gonna be in the studio with a maxing preview.
It's great to hear.
Yeah What are we hearing here Aaron?
I
don't want to set the world on fire by the ink spots
the ink spots.
Okay.
Wow.
Okay.
That goes back a ways 40s or 50s.
I think I think so.
Yeah Taking your calls taking your calls at 855-752-4842.
Let's oh
Whisco Paul is checking in.
Let's see what's on his mind.
Hi, Paul.
Hey, good afternoon, fellas.
God, I love your show.
You guys got great callers.
And also, thanks for taking my call.
Sure.
Hey, I don't know what's going to happen if ice comes to Madison.
You guys, I don't know.
We won't cross that bridge until they come.
But hey, I call us.
the trophy revenge turn he's pretty much out of control and I don't know if there's anyone to stop him but here's my thought of the day I'm trying to think of a law we're only a year one by the way I don't know maybe he's trying to set a record on a number of laws broken but at this point can you guys think of a law he hasn't broken yet because I can't I can't I can't think of anything so
That's a depressing top, by the way.
Anyway, I hope you don't get anywhere near Madison boys.
Okay.
Thanks for taking my call.
Yeah.
I wish go Paul.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Appreciate that.
Um, I showed Gordy.
I was trying to find
I was trying to find a location of a place I want to bring up here on the air.
And
so we are on the air.
I'm just curious.
Yes, we're actually on the air.
Over there giggling and looking at the phone like two schoolboys.
I went to Google Maps, OK?
Yeah.
And it shows Lake Michigan upside
down.
Upside
down.
What
kind of
map?
With Milwaukee on the east side of the lake.
And.
and
I
can't get it to straight up.
Something wrong
with your GPS.
Wow.
What's up wrong
with that phone?
You don't have a map, a north-south, like a little icon, north-south icon.
There should be.
Let me
see here.
There should be
a little.
All right.
Are you ready for the AI glasses?
There it is.
Why was it, why was it upside down?
You are showing, there's a man talking to you on the air and you're looking at a map of Chicago for some reason.
You better pay
attention where we
are.
back on the
rails
welcome back now we have talked about this before i have a problem with attention deficit
okay
you think
god let's go back to the phones david in middleton
ran us in here
gordon yeah david go ahead oh
hi guys hi um yeah one interesting statistic um so far in 2026 more americans have been murdered by ice than by illegal immigrants
oh man
I bet that's true.
Oh,
yeah.
Yeah, I wouldn't
doubt I just
Hold that on my butt.
I wouldn't doubt that.
I wouldn't doubt that.
We're
both sitting here saying, yeah, we wouldn't doubt that.
But you brought up a really good point too.
There are a number of deaths that have happened in ice custody.
We're really not hearing about any of that or any of the lists of people that may have been hurt or killed in ice custody.
So for some reason, we should start asking those kinds of questions.
I appreciate it.
Yeah.
Thank
you.
David, thanks for that.
Yeah.
We got a stat here from Steve in Milwaukee.
And he says, speaking of facts, 2025 was the deadliest year for ice in two decades.
Huh.
Yeah.
That's interesting.
Yeah.
I didn't know.
Steve,
thank you for that.
That's
interesting.
Yeah.
All right.
Oh, look who's in town.
Brian Newton just walked into our station.
I'm going to go out and say hi to him.
All right.
I like the morning show better than you guys.
I
know.
I know.
Thank you.
All right.
She just threw us under the bus.
Oh, boy.
Record time here.
Right in
front of the boss.
Well, I know.
That's great.
All right.
Thanks for your support.
Let's get to 855-7524842.
Let's
get to this.
This is a really, really, really, really, really big, really big queue.
Nearly 290,000 Wisconsinites have signed up for the Affordable Care Act.
Okay,
wow.
Healthcare.gov, they signed up 290,000 Wisconsinites signed up.
That is down from 307,000.
So it has declined 17,000 for whatever reason, and that is the current statistic on that.
Now if you go nationwide, 800,000 people dropped out of the ACA compared to a similar time last year.
That's a 3.5% drop.
from 24 million to under 23 million.
And that's a decrease in both new and existing enrollees re-upping.
It may still drop even further because today is the last day for late sign-up, so we'll get the final numbers real soon.
The Congressional Budget Office said extending the subsidies for three years would increase the nation's deficit by about $80 billion.
But what is that really?
$80 billion over 10 years?
That's hard.
I mean, compare that to $100 billion through 2029 for DHS ice detention centers.
So we're
building the ice detention centers while we're giving up on people signing up for the Affordable Care Act.
We're saving
money.
We don't want to give them these supplements.
And they really need them.
The money is being allocated in the wrong way.
They're spending it in the wrong way.
Exactly.
And you can you can you can repeat that to other people and say John Peterson said
I mean
it sounds like it was important, but All
right phone lines are back open if you want to get in now's a good time eight five five seven five two four eight four two John we have a guest in the studio here Brian Noonan from the morning show
gentlemen Thank you for letting me bash your party your party and John I was listening so intently you did make
it sounds so very important.
I wrote it down.
I'm actually having it laminated and I will reread it tomorrow morning.
Excellent.
So how was the drive up
from Shytown?
Oh, easy.
I've been in Madison countless times.
I've been all over.
I was a stand-up for a long time.
So as it was funny as I walked in, I was like, this is the third or fourth location for
It used to be comedy on stage now.
It's
been all over.
It was on top of a Greek restaurant last time I was here.
It was somewhere else.
It's been all over.
So yeah, I'm familiar with the Isthmus.
Absolutely.
Well, it's good to have you here.
It is great to be here.
And we're having fun.
We're almost two weeks down in the morning.
We're having a good time.
Yeah,
you and Jamie Martinson on every morning here from six until eight.
And so now, Brian, you mentioned you were a standup, but I remember listening to you on WGN a few years back.
I was working in South Bend, Indiana, as a TV weather guy, and I had to get up super early in the morning.
Oh, so you were listening to the overnight show.
I was listening to the
overnight show.
So when was that?
Like mid 90s?
Wow, late 90s?
No, not that late.
It was mid 2000s.
So I think I started there in 20
15.
Okay.
And I did weekend overnights.
Then I did a sports show and I was on if there was a time slot except for the Lutheran hour and the great outdoors.
Those were the only two shows I
did not do.
But yeah, the overnight show we had fun and then that that was till about 2020 end
of
2020.
Okay.
And then I was
down the road, down 94 a little bit in Milwaukee.
And now I'm here and I couldn't be
happier.
Now you people may not know this yet, but you have a really cool podcast of brew.
It's about beer.
Yes.
Basically what's called crafty brewers tales behind craft beer.
And I'm contractually obligated to say the award winning podcast or really or my producer would kill me.
Yeah, we
the pitches every beer is a story because it's not we're not rating beers we're not ranking beers we go in and every brewer has a different way that they came into the industry some are we've talked to past
guys who were pastors before and everybody, everybody came in a different way and they're fascinating because they're passionate, they're creative and they're the easiest interview.
You guys will appreciate this.
You can ask them a question, go out, have a sandwich, come back and you still haven't, you still haven't ended the story.
And I'm like, oh, this is perfect.
Easy for me.
I've seen
a few of your podcasts and it's great because
you actually go to
the brewery and set up right, right there.
We're there and it's, it, every place is different.
Every place.
a different character and I always say craft breweries and there's we've did a number of episodes in Milwaukee and hopefully we'll do a bunch of Madison they're the new
Corner Tavern, they're the cultural center of a neighborhood, and that's why I'm so passionate about people supporting them.
John's
been into beer for a long time, but you kind of let it go for a while.
I have, I brewed beer for a while.
Did you really?
Yes, I did, yeah.
But it became contaminated.
Something in the process, and I couldn't get rid of it, I couldn't clean it out, and I just gave up the whole damn thing.
But I love beer.
It's hard.
And brew beer or rather brewing beer is probably just one of the greatest arts.
It is.
And people
just
drink it and they don't appreciate it, but you're absolutely right.
That's right.
And you hear those stories all the time.
As you say, these people have started their own breweries because of their hobby of getting into beer.
And I got to ask you, though.
because people are drinking less now.
And people are very conscious of high level alcohol beers.
Now they're looking at maybe no alcohol beers and such.
Are they moving in that direction?
Maybe some of the people that you've been talking
to at this brewery.
A lot of the brewers, and we just did an episode the other day with a brewery in Aurora, Illinois.
And this home brewer to your point started out, first time we ever talked to somebody, started out by brewing barrel-aged beers as a home brewer.
Oh, now he does a lot of like 4% 3.5% because to your point, yes, they're looking at lower alcohol beers.
A lot of them haven't gone to the no alcohol, but they're going to seltzers.
Some of them are experimenting with THC infused beverages.
But you get a lot of the nice crushable as they say 4% so you can have a few and not
be bogged down.
The Pilsners are coming back.
Loggers are having a resurgence.
So you're getting a lot of those kind of beers, which is great.
Yeah, you do have the specialty beers, the high alcohol beers, the
beer barrel or the
barrel or yeah,
bourbon barrels.
Yeah, those are pretty high alcohol.
My wife used to be a part of a group of writers and they'd have a beer con and they'd buy all these special brews from all over the
country.
Sam Adams had a little bunch of aged brews as well.
But you know, everybody's kind of
into the lower alcohol beers.
And I think that's where the industry is going.
We had some great breweries around here.
Ale
Asylum, unfortunately, went out of business and that was a tough one to take.
This was the first year in the U.S.
that more breweries closed than opened.
So it's tough for local brewers.
Interesting.
Well, you live right near a brewery, right?
Capital city brewery.
Capital beer.
Capital brewery.
Here's the thing.
I was expecting maybe you'll be gaining a lot of weight.
I say that a lot of these breweries have fantastic restaurants in
them.
They have great food, right?
It goes back to being the community hub.
You want people to come.
You want them to bring their families.
You want them to stay for a while because if you have food...
People are going to stay a little longer.
If you have games, if you have trivia, if you have whatever, one beer that you might stop in and try one turns into, oh, let's have a couple.
Let's pay Thursday nights.
We always go to the brewery for trivia and everything else.
So
it's great.
Well, they had a great brewery and they moved, sadly.
Maybe they even went out of business.
They used to be on the Milwaukee River.
Oh,
really?
Yeah.
I can't remember.
Second Street.
But it
was a great place.
Milwaukee has fantastic breweries
that grew up in
Milwaukee.
Milwaukee
is, yeah, it's crazy.
But there's so many here in Madison in the surrounding area, too, that it's... That's another reason I'm glad to be here.
Brian Noonan and we're happy to have you here.
Well, guys,
thanks for having me and I appreciate
it.
It's great
meeting
you in
person.
Very good.
We'll be back with more of John and Gordy and more of your calls after this.
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Okay.
All right, it's just a weird coincidence, but Mark texts us.
He says, I wonder if Trump is also...
recruiting fingermen like Creedie in the movie V for Vendetta and I watched V for Vendetta last night.
Did you really?
Yeah.
Wow.
I
still haven't seen that one.
Me either.
Oh my gosh, it is really truly one of the great movies and it really is timely.
I mean, you would think that they just lifted the Trump script and brought it into this movie, but you know, this is well before Trump, and it is fascinating.
It truly is.
Where did you find a big thumbs
up?
We
have the 4K Blu-ray.
We just bought the 4K Blu-ray, and I'm mad because my wife bought it for my son, and it's like, no, I...
want that movie myself, you know, my movie.
You're very possessive.
I am.
I'm really possessive.
I say, own your media, you know, don't wait for it to stream.
That's ridiculous.
Another charging you to just watch a simple movie online.
I know.
It drives me
crazy.
Yeah.
All right.
I got this.
Corporate immunity is next on the Project 2025 list.
Corporate immunity.
Yeah, I read this story.
This is a really amazing story.
Kitchen countertop workers are dying.
Now, mega lawmakers want to ban their lawsuits for getting cancer.
In California, workplace safety regulators discussed a proposed ban on cutting so-called.
Quartz or engineered stone a popular choice for countertops That the material creates an unusual amount of Lung damaging silica.
Oh, no.
Yeah, that's nasty Yeah, and
when it gets cut or polished that dust gets in the air or so then polishing or cutting natural granite or marble
So this is really, really bad news for those people who work in that industry,
you
know, cutting these countertops of the so-called courts or engineered stone.
Meanwhile, get this, Congressional Republicans have discussed a bill that would ban workers' ability to bring lawsuits against
the companies that manufacture and sell this raw slab of engineered material.
So they want to prevent people from getting compensated for getting cancer or dying from all the silica that they've been inhaling.
Now, I don't know, is there not a conscience on the other side of the aisle?
Please.
At least when it comes to billionaires, millionaires and billionaires, the answer is no.
Alright, now there's a Minnesota based manufacturer of engineered marble cambria They pointed a finger at countertop businesses that cut raw slabs on the cheap without necessary protections Cambria says that they have no control over these third-party businesses and their dangerous conditions Well, they should have control
they
should actually insist on that if they're going to
use their materials, right, for countertops.
Immunity certainly is something that's arising very much so in the Trump administration.
Immunity for ICE agents, immunity for the president, and now, of course, immunity for countertop makers.
Got a text here and says, if corporations are people, why would they be immune?
Okay, that's
something to think about.
Corporations are
considered people.
All right now this we might all have been somehow a Victim of this it's called surveillance pricing when companies set different prices for different customers on internet purchases after a backlash
Instacart recently ended a pilot program that allowed retailers to charge different prices for people living in the same city It's it's good for some consumers not good for others obviously less often used also out there is surveillance discounting in other words they they Somehow automatically create a coupon for you.
Yeah, if they know that
That's what you need or you're a low income individual or you don't have a credit report rating of some sort.
So
I don't know, you know, it works both ways, but I don't like this surveillance pricing.
Yeah.
You know, right.
Doesn't seem, I gotta tell you this, I'm going to get it off my chest right
now.
All
right.
I told you that I, I didn't pay my bill for prime.
Right.
My, my, my city card.
And,
oh yeah.
And, and, and, and this is what happened.
You know, they bothered me.
They cut me off.
I couldn't pay my bills for Netflix.
Yeah.
So I'm really mad about them.
But now, because of that, this
is
not these.
This was just an interaction between us.
All of a sudden, now I'm getting all of these spam mails saying that if I don't pay up now, I'm getting cut off.
That's I mean, really seriously, where you got to pay up now or your credit's going to go.
Somehow somewhere along the way, there's an algorithm that noticed that I had this conversation with city bank and back and forth, right?
And now I'm getting all of these spam emails
trying to get me brother on it goes.
I'm a victim.
Okay Coming up.
We've got the Midwest farm report and we're right back with former us attorney Jim Santel Pardon me right around the corner on Johnny Gordy
Need a cough drop.
I
have
some
yeah, oh you got one.
Okay
It's catchy.
John and Gordy posing before a picture if you're watching us on the internet,
on the
tubes.
We have a new picture in the background just for the heck of it.
I think that was taken last winter.
Reminded Jim Santel.
of Jeremiah Johnson.
Yeah, kind of look to it.
And as played by Robert Redford.
That's right.
Jim Santel joins us now.
Good afternoon, Jim.
Good to have you with us.
Good to be with you as well.
Other movie references, of course, could fall in the same category.
The Sting, the two of you, Robert Redford, Paul Newman, Justin, the Sundance Kid, maybe that's the picture.
All kinds of options.
Really pushing
it there.
Bad nuggly, I was thinking maybe.
Yeah.
Jim, where do we start today?
How about President Trump thinking about the Insurrection Act and
put that
in place because of all the trouble in Minneapolis?
He's telling America, he's talking about those corrupt politicians of Minnesota, these are his exact words, who don't obey the law and stop the professional agitators and insurrectionists from attacking the Patriots capital P.
of ICE.
And so he's angry with everybody in Minneapolis and Minnesota generally.
And so he's threatening to invoke the Insurrection Act.
He's done that before.
Last time this was done was way back in 1992.
As many of your listeners, not all of them, perhaps when you recall, that was the time of the beating of Rodney King.
There were four white police officers who were acquitted and there were truly riots going on in Los Angeles.
And so we haven't done, invoked that since that time, but Insurrection Act basically says that if the president does indeed find that there are insurgents, there are people overthrowing the government rebellion against insurrection, you can in fact call the military in.
I know we've talked about this before.
for we're talking now about the army and calling them into the cities, if in fact the president makes a determination that there is an insurgency afoot.
And again, the question is, is that really the case in Minneapolis?
Or do you have admittedly very serious people are getting killed?
I don't mean to minimize the significance of that at all, but do you have protests which are protected by the Constitution and advocacy
that does not fall in the category of trying to overthrow the government.
Nonetheless, he's saying, in Surrection Act, I may invoke that and send the military in.
The only other thing I'd comment about is, you know, there's also this other thing, Posse Comitatus Act of 1878.
That's the one that says that the president can't use the military as a domestic police force.
Okay, so we've got these two pieces of congressional legislation, 1878 and 1792.
and we're invoking them now in 2026 some conflicts there and we'll see how if this is simply saber-rattling from the president yesterday and today or if he's serious perhaps about sending military into minneapolis to address these corrupt politicians and the insurrectionists who he believes have now taken over.
Okay, so insurrection action Posse Kamatata's act.
Which one wins?
The answer is, how do you want to vote on this, right?
The answer, the Posse Comitatus Act says law forbids the use of military as a domestic police force.
Insurrection Act says president can, in fact, use the military if, in fact, he finds that there is an insurgency.
So you've got these two pieces of independent legislation going on.
They're both the law of the land.
And again, they have a lot to do with how you classify what's going on.
The Posse Comitatus Act basically says we've got domestic law enforcement.
We have police officers and county sheriffs and those folks.
We don't need the military.
army and other forces coming in.
That's the big one, right?
And that's certainly the one that I would have scribed to under these circumstances, where what's going on in all these major cities is not insurrection.
It is protests.
Admittedly, they are ugly.
Admittedly, they are very, very serious, but we're not trying to overthrow the government.
This goes back to the rebellion issue.
And again, even whether the National Guard should be called and all these kinds of things tied together, my sense is that there's no need.
to send in the military and yet our president today is talking about doing that.
It puts us in that category once again of overseas countries where we see leaders who send military into their own cities, right?
The tanks rolling down streets of...
Nature cities and we all look at those and we say what oh my goodness Look at that that bad government that bad country that thankfully that would never happen here Our president has just threatened that
well.
Yeah, I think this is so different Minneapolis is so different in all of this because we really didn't have the immigration problem there They're just going after a neighborhood simply because of a fake reporter Nick Shirley who went around
by the order of a republican legislator who wanted this guy to come in and do a hit job on that community and it worked and for some reason there's no one working for the president who can tell him seriously what is going on and why he shouldn't take
Nick Shirley's reports seriously that they've already taken care of the problem.
They're already watching many of these learning centers and childcare centers.
They've already dealt with the problem.
And this guy just merely brought it to light, blew it up out of proportion and hit the right wing media fan and just spread out all over the country.
And he's not following logic.
or good advice.
He's getting advice from, I think, Pam Bondi and Christine Nome, who are lying.
He's going to say,
are there these people there?
And they'll go, oh yes, oh yes.
They don't in any way want to say anything that would be contrary to what Trump actually believes or thinks.
They won't tell him something that is the truth because they know that he might not like it.
That's that's
my
theory on this,
right?
And he may in fact terminate them, right?
We've seen that before.
And what a big difference between what you just described.
And admittedly, we were going this direction in the first Trump administration, but you had people around him, including people from the military, chiefs of staff who looked at him and we're telling him, Mr. President, you can't do that.
And of course, all of them bit by bit, one by one are shown the door.
But that was at a time the president was new to all of this and relying
upon some of the standard middle of the road, sensible Republicans surrounding himself with people who do know what's going on.
And they're not there anymore.
I think it kept him at bay
during that first administration.
That's what I think.
But now the other part of this in Minneapolis is that it's not immigration anymore.
It's really going after going after American citizens.
This whole thing is just based on protests.
He wants to do this.
He wants to invoke the Insurrection Act because of people protesting.
That's the first amendment right we have in this country.
And things are getting a little out of whack at this point.
Right, absolutely.
And to your earlier point about this, again, unsupported video that was circulating around in the media much too broadly, it was simply inaccurate.
if you create the very circumstance that prompts the disruption and that kind of thing, and then you come back and say, gosh, I don't have to respond to that.
There's something wrong with that, not just logically, but legally.
You're the one who created the very problem that you now feel you need to address by doing this extraordinary thing.
Mr. President, life doesn't work that way, right?
And if you behave generally, if you support, go ahead and support domestic law enforcement.
If you want to hire more law enforcement, more investigators, more prosecutors, you can do that.
Let's have the crime bill of 2026.
You can put that together and deploy those people in Minneapolis and Milwaukee and Los Angeles and Portland and Charlotte, all these other places.
Go ahead and do that and create, again, more domestic law enforcement to address what you think is the problem, but you don't need to reach across this huge border and get the military involved.
Those are people who wage war appropriately into circumstances.
We train them to engage in wars.
We do not train them to engage in domestic law enforcement.
The purpose of which is not war, it's to serve the constituencies.
Violently different kinds of things they're doing and prompting, therefore, violence when you do get the crushing of those two different missions.
We're talking to a former U.S.
attorney.
Jim Santel, we have a question here, a text question from Brett in Brown Deer.
Now we're talking about insurrection, but he has a question about martial law.
Can you ask Jim if you can travel internationally under martial law?
He wants to know because he has a trip coming up soon.
All right, right.
Well, and again, again, Brett, keep looking at the news, right?
This is obviously is threatening the insurrection.
It's different from martial law.
Martial law is even more dramatic, right?
What you're doing there is you're shutting down, among the things, the right of habeas corpus, which is the right to petition for your release.
If you've been improperly arrested, Kristi Nolan apparently doesn't understand that concept that we learned early on.
But martial law is basically stripping the population of
most if not all of its civil liberties, including the right to protest in the first place, to be out there shutting things down because you've gotten to the spot where you cannot control things anymore.
That is an extraordinary remedy.
Again, martial law during the Civil War.
Yes, because we're at war in our domestic geography.
But again, not under these circumstances, but Brett, you make a good point nonetheless.
It is challenging these days even to move around America, regrettably, because of these kinds of misuses of law enforcement and ICE here in this particular case, threats of National Guard being invoked.
Those again, seemingly have been quashed by the Supreme Court and the president's own decisions in some areas.
But again, for anyone that I'm not a travel agent and I do not mean to to dissuade people from traveling, but it is the kind of thing.
Get your passport in order, make certain it is present and know about the fact that with these declarations, things can change.
Yeah.
Let's go to the phones.
We have a question for you, Jim, from Jesse in Madison.
Jesse, go ahead.
Hey, Jesse.
Oh, I guess.
It was high.
I always appreciate Mr. Santel's expertise and opinion.
I guess I'm just curious why we're working under the premise that the president is.
trying to work under the law.
Also, John and Gordy, why there's this assumption that he's just being given bad information, I think it's very clear from his actions that he's acting in bad faith.
uh and and one's confrontation um it's almost like the civil war has already started and the evidence of that is that he's already moving pieces across the chessboard and doing provocations like these are opening moves to a chess game he's trying to probe defenses thankfully uh ice and Minnesota has
has overextended itself and overreacted, but this is just more moves on the chessboard.
The game's already afoot, so I don't think there needs to be any pretense about what the motives are here.
The motive is rending the Republican half to move into an empire where law just doesn't matter anymore.
Well, the way I see it is the people advising him know what he wants to hear.
See.
And I'm not saying that that's not what he wants to do.
He wants to do these things.
You are right about that.
But I think the people advising him know that and they give him the answers that he wants to hear.
So he continues on his way with
this.
And just to your good first point, I agree with you entirely.
All right.
If Donald Trump looks at any of the folks around him and says, give me some reason for doing it, they come up with the Insurrection Act and say, oh, look, you've got the authority, Mr. President.
And you dress up this behavior as something more legitimate than it is.
That's it.
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in the afternoon with Jim Santel, our guest.
And
Aaron, you had a question from a listener.
Yeah, Rick and Waukesha had called in, and he was wondering, noting that Minnesota and Minneapolis particularly have a sizable Native American population, and at least one congressperson who is from one of the local tribes.
And he was wondering if that's playing into the increased hostility or anything else with the ice.
raids in Minneapolis.
And your question is incredibly timely because just in the past couple of hours or so, we have got this statement from the leadership of the Oglala Sioux Tribe demanding the release of apparently there are four Lakota men who were originally detained by ICE.
One of them has apparently been released, but asking ICE for the release of these members, enrolled members of the tribe.
and not getting any response from ICE about this.
The other aspect of this that is all too compelling is that the place where many of these detentions are taking place is the Whipple Federal Building, which we've seen in a lot of the video here, is actually the site of the Fort Snelling, where, again, many of the Dakota
Tribal members were held historically back in the 1860s or so.
So again, history not repeating itself, it's certainly rhyming here.
And we've got a situation where you've got a group of the sovereign nation there in Minneapolis, the Aguala Su tribe, four members of their tribe taken into custody and the tribe demanding the release and information about them.
All
right, let's let's take up the the balance of powers issue that you sent a decision
not to do anything, not to tell the president what he could or could not do when it comes to military action in Venezuela.
I mean, if he, if they would have passed this thing, we'd have something at least maybe to hold him back from going into Greenland on his own.
Now we're sitting here with a very weak Senate, very weak Congress.
What are we going to do?
Jim.
Sure.
So we've got a resolution here that was this close to being passed, just in the past 24 hours, that would have forced the president to seek congressional support, congressional approval.
Follow the Constitution before you go in any further military action related to Venezuela, as you've just indicated, John, also presumably applicable to other excursions that he might engage in.
And there's a huge amount of reaction to this.
The president is not happy about the fact that there are sufficient numbers of votes
including five Republicans were not voting in his favor, voting in favor of the Democrats just about to pass this resolution in the United States Senate saying no more of this, Mr. President, until you confer with us under the Constitution what happens is that the President gets back and says, oh, don't worry, we're no longer there basically in Venezuela.
We're not doing anything.
Military action is done.
No need
for
this.
And as a result, two of the five
Republican senators, our name is Josh Hawley, Missouri and Todd Young, Indiana, join the majority, leaving just three more Republicans, Rand Paul and Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski joining the Republicans.
The matter that is then 50-50 on the Senate and the vice president comes in to block the
block the tie, if you will, and the resolution does not pass.
And so, again, it's a situation where the Senate simply wanting to say, we need to follow the Constitution, you need to tell us.
before you go in and do these things, and that didn't happen.
The United States Senate backed off and said, fine, we take you at your word, Mr. President, nothing else going on here.
Just
amazing.
It's unbelievable.
They're willing to give up their own power for this.
Yeah, this president.
Truly unbelievable.
Let's get to the five new congressional districts in California.
Sounds
good to me.
Right?
And so this is the big initiative there.
This is the governor there.
This is the referendum.
Five new districts and they go into court.
Obviously they're challenged principally by Republicans and an appeals court.
The appeals court there out in California just yesterday says that's just fine.
No problem with those five additional seats.
May or may not be appealed to the Supreme Court.
Got a lot of business going on at the Supreme Court these days.
But these days of now, those five additional seats are created by California.
presumably to respond to the five additional seats in Texas.
Other things, an appeals court yesterday says you can go ahead and get candidates and have elections, primaries and elections for those seats this calendar year.
That's no small thing could affect the balance of power in the United States Congress as will all of these things.
But that's a huge, huge judicial result coming out of the appeals court just
yesterday.
One more issue, Jim.
What about the arguments that the Supreme Court is hearing on whether states can prohibit transgender women?
from participating in women's sports.
They're going to take this up.
It
didn't sound like
it.
In fact, they're going to get the issue, the issue presumably resolved in some way.
They had oral argument on that this just this past
week.
And again, it was a little bit difficult to read the tea leaves.
There are certainly lots of questions from all sides about whether or not this can happen.
And it appears that probably the Supreme Court will find some way, maybe a limited way to support the states that they just
to do this and it could be a very narrow issue having to do with title nine or they could go big.
They could swing big for the bleachers as we sometimes say and they could say that yes indeed you've got carte blanche do these kinds of things.
We'll see in the next few months what the decision is.
Okay all right.
Amicus a law review this weekend what do you got coming up?
Yeah what do you got coming
up?
Right.
We're going to talk about what's happening next week in the Supreme Court, which is whether or not the president can fire members of the Federal Reserve Jerome Powell these days, much in the.
Crosshairs, if you will, this president inappropriately.
But the other issue is whether or not Lisa Cook, you remember her, terminated by the president, Federal Reserve, and the Supreme Court has traditionally said recently anyway, that the Federal Reserve Independent Agency, they've kind of got a special status.
We'll see next week what the tea leaves are from the oral argument about whether or not a majority wants to give the president the capacity, basically, to terminate people on the Federal Reserve, basically turning the Federal Reserve into
his own economic entity, setting interest rates, regulating banks and doing other things that affect the commerce of America.
Huge case next
week.
Amicus, a law review this weekend on civicmedia.us on Saturday at
9 to 11.
Jim, always a pleasure.
Good to see you.
Talk to you
again soon.
Always good to be with you, gentlemen.
Take care.
Have a good weekend.
You too.
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