Kristi Noem Flip-Flops On Lethal Force (Hour 2)

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Kristi Noem Flip-Flops On Lethal Force (Hour 2)

John & Gordy · Mon Jan 12, 2026

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Now, let's get to...

Jake Tapper, should we get to Jake

Tapper's

little thing?

Jake Tapper was talking to Christie Noem, wasn't he?

You got it,

my

friend.

Yes.

And this kind of a big story, you know, because of what Christie Noem said.

You know, they continue to watch some other video insisting that they're watching the same video we are.

Ah, OK.

The rest of America is watching.

They're watching something else.

You know, you can't really be that partisan, so partisan, that you actually see something different in reality than everybody else in the country, but for some reason they are.

So this is Jake Tapper, Kristi Noem, and this is what happened.

Cut 174.

All right, this is it.

You've also been criticized for your comments.

The shooting, we should note, was Wednesday at 10.37 a.m.

Eastern.

Just over two hours later, the Department of Homeland Security put out a statement definitively asserting what had happened, defending the ICE agent, accusing Renee Good of domestic terrorism.

That's a characterization that you reiterated in a press conference half an hour later.

And Republican Senator Tom Tillis said, quote, it was very unusual to have a senior law enforcement official to draw a conclusion about an event where the scene was still being processed.

Generally speaking, law enforcement would recognize that a life was lost, that families are changed forever, the shooter's life will change forever,

We're collecting video.

We're trying to assess the situation.

Why did you not wait for an investigation before making your comments?

Well, everything that I've said has been proven to be factual.

No.

The truth.

This administration wants to operate in transparency.

We're

not doing that.

I have the

responsibility as the secretary of Homeland Security.

to know this information as soon as possible, had just been in Minneapolis the day before, had already had conversations with officers on the ground and supervisors and knew the facts and decided that the department and the people of this country deserved to know the truth of the situation of what had unfolded

in Minneapolis.

With all due respect, Secretary, the first thing you said was, quote, what happened was our ICE officers were out in an enforcement action, they got stuck in the snow.

because of the adverse weather that is in Minneapolis.

They were attempting to push out their vehicle and a woman attacked them and those surrounding them and attempted to run them over and rammed them with her vehicle.

That's not what happened.

We all saw what

happened.

It absolutely is what happened.

Those officers had been out on enforcement action.

A vehicle had been stuck.

They had come to help get that vehicle out.

That's when this individual started blocking traffic for minutes and minutes

before.

You said that the woman attacked them and surrounded them and attempted to run them over and rammed them with her

vehicle.

blocked the road for a long time and was yelling at them and impeding a federal law enforcement investigation.

That's what you need to focus on, Jake, is they were breaking the law by impeding and obstructing a law enforcement operation.

They were breaking the law already.

They were not, actually.

And she was letting cars go in front of her and behind her.

She wasn't blocking too much.

At that point

and they had asked her to move along

and

she

was attempting to do exactly and the cars were moving Through that area they weren't stuck in the snow or immovable stuck on ice none of that happened And she didn't confront them like that in any way shape or form all right now let's

Let's listen to what her response is, which is really unbelievable.

Just a blank stare, but let's listen to her response when Jake Tapper brought up January 6th.

I want to ask a question about the rules of how law enforcement is allowed to engage when feeling threatened per your assertions.

Because I want to show some video to you right now and ask, what is the appropriate response for the police officers in this situation?

Those are law enforcement officers being physically attacked.

By this standard, would any of those officers being justified in shooting and killing the people causing them physical harm?

Every single situation is going to rely on the situation those officers are on, but they know that when people

are putting

hands on them, when they are using weapons against them, when they are physically harming them, that they have the authority to arrest those individuals

and make sure that they're facing

consequences and make sure that they're getting justice for their actions going forward.

President Trump pardoned every single one of those people.

And

every single one of these investigations comes in the full context of the situation on the ground.

One thing that President Trump has been so focused on is making sure that when we're out there, we don't pick and choose which situations

are

in which laws are enforced and which ones aren't.

Every single one of them is being enforced

under the

Trump administration and the clarity of the law stands.

And if people don't like it, these members of Congress and elected officials should go change the law and make sure they have that debate and policy.

I just showed you video of people attacking law enforcement officers.

undisputed proof, undisputed evidence.

And I just said President Trump pardoned all of them.

And you said that President Trump is enforcing all the laws equally.

It's just not true.

There's a different standard for law enforcement officials being attacked if they're being attacked by Trump supporters.

We just saw that.

This individual and these instances and these investigations all have to be taken and done and done correctly in context of every situation that is happening

on the ground.

So what we are doing

today

with our law enforcement officers, making sure that we're targeting the worst of the worst and that we're talking factually about each situation and making sure

that we're

bringing those perpetrators of violence back to justice, bringing them to justice and making sure they face consequences for their crimes.

We'd love to have the partnership.

of Mayor Fry.

We'd love to have the partnership with the Chief of Police

and

of Governor Walz every day when we're out there to make sure they tone down the rhetoric and they do the right thing for the people.

There it is.

It's the rhetoric that's causing all of this, right?

Just word salads.

And of course, gaslighting.

Can't forget that.

Now, they did talk about Jonathan Ross, the individual who shot Renee and...

Tapper played this clip of Ross saying a very nasty thing about Renee after he actually shot her right, so let's let's listen

to I want to play this moment from the officer's cell phone

video

Is that agent Ross's voice calling Renee good a bitch

I can't determine which one it is but

It could be, sir.

It could be, sir.

It could be.

Yeah.

Oh, and then, of course, uh, Chrissy Nome had to focus on the mayor's rough words for ICE.

So let's check that out, 172.

Doing a disservice to the officer by reaching a conclusion before the investigation takes place.

I haven't

heard you, uh, say once what a disservice it's done.

for Mayor Fry to get up and to

tell ICE to

get the F out of his city.

And

AOC to stand up before she had any of the facts and called this officer a murderer.

For individuals, well, call them out, Jake.

Spend as much time calling them out.

I

have provided you with facts and information to back up every single word that we have said in every single part of this investigation.

And if you don't like it, that's fine.

But we're going to continue to do the right thing to keep the American people safe.

Well, if you don't like it, that's fine.

That's fine.

Yes, so it is the language of the mayor, of course, that she's focusing on there, and this heated rhetoric has just got to stop.

It makes you angry just thinking about what she's saying and her attitude during the entire interview.

She answered none of the questions.

She's stuck to a story that we all can see is completely lie.

I don't know even where to go with that, except we're supposed to spend equal time criticizing the mayor for using the F word as we are, as criticism for doing what they did, ICE agents in Minneapolis.

So each, we have to balance that out.

It's gotta be equal.

Equal time, we got to criticize the mayor a lot.

I don't think so.

I mean, we all saw what the mayor saw.

We all feel the way the mayor feels, and that's pretty much except for some of the magas out there who obviously don't watch the videos.

They simply want to take the word of the administration and believe everything the administration says.

You know, Jonathan Ross, the car didn't hit him.

He pushed off with his arm.

with his hand.

I remember he was touching the car and he was keeping his balance on there and he pushed off on that and that's what it looks like.

The car actually hit him and no it didn't.

He pushed off and he shot three times.

Morning Joe showed that video and you can see it actually on their website but they did an outline of the three shots and did an outline of where Ross was.

in

each of those

shots.

And you can clearly see that he's in front or to the side of the car.

Exactly.

Just off to the side.

All right.

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So if you've been on social media, you've probably seen a lot of confrontations between ICE and the public.

They're out there just kicking ass, basically.

They're pulling people out of cars while they're filling their cars up with gas.

Pushing people around, the one that really stunned me was the guy was recording one of the ICE agents.

Oh, yeah.

He pushed them.

No, the ICE agent pushed the guy recording him.

And then he backed up, and then the ice agent attacked him.

And

then when they attack somebody, five or six other ice agents join in and pile on.

And that's what they've been doing it.

all this time, actually.

So, I mean, that's what you're seeing on a regular basis here.

Now, I don't know, I know they sent 50 more ice agents into Minneapolis to add to the 1,000 already they're causing this mayhem.

Well, I don't know where Tim Walz is on this, but he threatened to bring out the National Guard.

Why don't we listen to cut 167 here?

This is Tim Walz.

Oh, and podcaster David Pakman is talking about it.

Listen.

From the federal government.

We do not need any further help from the federal government.

To Donald Trump and Christie Nome, you've done enough.

There's nothing more important than Minnesota's safety.

I've issued a warning order to prepare the Minnesota National Guard.

We have soldiers in training and prepared to be deployed if necessary.

I remind you, a warning order is a heads up for folks.

And these National Guard troops are our National Guard troops.

their teachers in your community, their business owners, their construction professionals, they are Minnesotans.

Minnesota will not allow our community to be used as a prop in a national political fight.

We will not take the bait.

We do not need any further help from the federal government.

All right.

This is a major escalation, but it's a necessary one.

There are those who are immediately saying, why is Tim Walls raising the temperature?

Folks Trump's goons came in shot a woman three times through her window and windshield killing her and Trump went online.

It said it seems like self-defense That's the escalation when a governor like Tim walls says we've got to prepare the state military forces to potentially battle federal agents because they are operating in ways that are dangerous or illegitimate We are not in normal territory.

We are not

And I don't know where they are, but things are getting so out of control in Minneapolis.

It's ridiculous at this point.

In fact, they're going to some extremes here.

Why don't we check cut 170 out?

Every American needs to know that ice can now track you.

Let's listen.

Eyes can now draw a digital line around your neighborhood and see the location of every phone inside it.

It's thousands of federal agents deployed to cities like Minneapolis.

An exclusive report from 404 Media reveals the surveillance tool they're using to hunt people down.

It's called a weblock.

Here's how it works.

An agent draws a shape on a digital map, a city block, a workplace, or a protest site.

The system instantly pulls up the history of every mobile phone that's been inside that shape.

It shows where you sleep, where you work, and who you spend time with.

It creates a pattern of life analysis to predict your next move.

They don't need a warrant.

They don't need a subpoena.

They just buy the data from apps installed on your phone right now.

Yesterday, an ICE agent shot and killed a US citizen in Minneapolis during an operation.

Today, we know they have the technology to watch the entire city without leaving their desk.

There you go.

That's how easy it is.

And now, of course, the report is out that there are drones.

They're going to be using drones under President Trump.

We've entered in a whole new era.

of surveillance probably in this country, DHS program executive office for unmanned aircraft systems and counter unmanned aircraft systems.

President Trump continues his historic legacy in developing American dominance in America.

Over Americans.

This is way out of hand.

Uh, let's listen to, uh, no, let's not listen to that.

Yeah.

Got a couple of calls.

Yeah, let's go to Jack first.

Jack, what do you have for us?

Jack and Merrimack.

Go ahead.

Yeah.

Uh, yeah.

Okay.

So let's see here.

We have, uh, masked, um, uh, unidentifiable because there is no real badge or any ID, uh, agents that, uh,

can basically go anywhere.

They grab people off the street.

They abduct them, hold them in Communicado.

And oh, yeah, I occasionally happen to shoot somebody.

Yeah.

And Kristi Noem is saying, yep, Americans got to be safe.

Boy, I bet everybody feels safer now.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I know.

Isn't it crazy saying that we're going to be safer under this kind of regime?

Yeah, that's pretty crazy.

More on the

edge.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All right.

Thank you, Jack.

Thanks for that.

Let's see.

We've got a minute to hear.

Let's go to Dolores from Madison.

Good afternoon, Dolores.

Hi, guys.

Thank you for taking my call.

So I was just listening to you guys about the new tactics.

Tracking us down to our cell phones.

Yeah It was not too long ago that it was like an app.

There was like a two people were able to Notify where ice

ice was

yeah Yeah, and then that's like the one of the judges or judge or something blocked it if it was

it was not legal.

So I'm wondering, did this the new software of the buy of, you know, things are doing, if it is legal, I mean, for them to use it, I mean, if we cannot be able to use an app to let us know where I, you know, moving, why we can let them use Ocarina Trantas?

Good question.

Thanks for that call.

We'll be back with more of John and Gordy after this.

Oh, yeah Tracking our phones.

Hmm.

Well, they've got drones.

You're gonna add those to homeland security

unbelievable

This is this is an all-out assault on the American society.

Yeah,

we're getting into Georgia or well this territory.

Yeah, well into it When they gonna link in with all the ring doorbells

Just take those.

With face recognition now.

Well, they already have a lot of cameras in many cities that are AI powered with facial recognition.

Flock cameras is one of the biggest brands that get rented out by police stations or I

guess departments around the country.

The movie, one battle after another, got a few golden globes.

Apparently so, yeah.

But the thing is, after seeing that movie, I was stunned.

The stunning part for me was how easy it was for the military to find the people they wanted to find.

That was an eye-opener for me.

And I think a lot of that is based on actual...

Circumstances by the military, how they use their technology.

And I just thought, wow, you can't really hide from the military.

I mean, they've got your entire history of shopping, buying, travel, everything, all of it, your cell phone history.

I haven't seen that movie yet.

It's

fantastic.

No,

not

yet.

I thought it just went on streaming.

I might be thinking of the wrong thing.

I'll

look.

Yeah.

Sometimes it's a little confusing because they have it on streaming, but you have to pay for it.

You know, they do tell you, oh, it's streaming now.

You have to pay

for it.

I think it's on HBO.

It is?

No.

Yeah, but you have to pay for it on HBO.

I can't tell without logging

in.

All right.

OK.

So we were talking about what's happened in Minneapolis.

This is very interesting.

Tom Homan was asked about Jonathan Ross, the Ice agent who killed Renee Good, and he was feeling pretty sorry for him.

Really?

Yeah.

Here it is.

I've seen today his face over social media.

He's been doxxed people are threatened to kill him So he's not good.

He know he fears for him and his family and Again, let the best investigation play out before you know Say you want to execute this man?

Let the investigation play out.

Huh?

Wait a

minute.

I say there's got to be You know a hundred videos out.

There's gonna be witness testimony to a body cam footage.

So, you know, let them that's just

Let's decrease the temperature here.

Let the investigation play out, but this officer is not in a good spot, emotionally, for his family.

You see upset about what took place?

Of course he is.

I mean, any law enforcement officer who uses any sort, you know, I've been around a long time, even if it's less lethal for us.

If you might put hands on somebody and take them down, it affects you.

all the time.

Not everybody.

I've never used lethal force personally.

I can only imagine.

I've based my 40 plus years.

I've never met an officer who had to use lethal force that felt good about it.

It's a terrible, terrible thing to go through.

I'll talk to Jonathan Ross, you can tell you.

Let the investigation play out.

Yeah.

I don't think the administration is letting the investigation play out.

Right.

So, but we're supposed to wait, let the investigation play out, and hear probably the same conclusion they've already drawn on the situation of Minneapolis.

And why would they not let the Minnesota officials have their investigation if

they

want to let the investigation play out?

Maybe it'd be good to have

a

different set of eyes looking at what needs to be investigated.

Exactly.

The local law enforcement.

officials.

Well, the attorney general in Minnesota right now is speaking.

We'll find out what

he has

to say a little bit later.

I want to get to this cut.

This is an attorney, his opinion about what needs to be done when the new administration takes over the Congress.

And I anticipate that next year.

So let's listen to cut 177 here.

Lawyers are trying to fight back against ICE.

but they've run into three kinds of serious obstacles.

The first problem is the Supreme Court.

In a decision in September, the court outrageously said that ICE agents can

Detain someone quote unquote briefly.

It's not actually briefly to find out if their citizens if a set of circumstances exist to give them quote reasonable suspicion that the person might not be documented and that might not sound that bad on the surface But it's actually extremely bad because the court then went on to say in a short opinion by Justice Brett Kavanaugh that if a person is speaking Spanish

and looks like they're Latino, that might be enough as part of the totality of the circumstances to detain them.

Now that's a total violation of our basic equal protection principles.

There's no way you could arrest somebody on the basis of their racial or ethnic profile.

And yet the Supreme Court has said that that's permitted to ICE agents.

Then there are the loopholes that the Trump administration is exploiting to enable ICE to do what it's doing.

For example, ICE agents are supposed to have a warrant when they grab people up.

But there's a provision of the law that says if they have reason to believe that you might flee and not be able to be captured by them, then they can grab you up without a warrant.

There's also no law that explicitly says the ICE agents have to identify themselves.

There's no law that says they can't wear masks.

And so the Trump administration is taking advantage of these loopholes to perpetuate policies that nobody ever imagined would be in place previously in the United States of America.

Finally, there's Congress.

Congress could simply pass a law prohibiting ICE from doing the things that it's doing.

They could say that they can't stop people on the basis of racial or ethnic profiling.

They could say that ICE agents have to identify themselves.

They could specify that ICE agents always have to use a warrant, and they have done exactly none of those things.

So what can we actually do about ICE?

We have to make

ISIS conduct into a major issue in the 2026 and 2028 elections and pressure our elected officials and in particular Congress to make this a priority and change ISIS practices.

Sounds reasonable to me.

Yeah, we're

getting a bunch of texts

in here.

We

have a really good one here.

Yeah, from Matt in Windsor who says

what the F happened to the Republicans as a whole, we need to blame them.

This is the complete opposite of everything they've always preached as far as the force of the government against its citizens.

That's

why

we have guns.

Yeah, maybe it was just lip service all along.

I guess so.

And here's another comment.

The reason they're not sharing the information is because this is federal.

No, it isn't.

It's not just federal.

The federal government can go along with the state government.

and investigate this whole issue.

It's not just one-sided.

You don't just take them out and say, no, you can't have it.

They are in this case.

Normally, they would not do this.

So we're not trying to make these things normal now.

Call in a question of what's going on out there.

Understand that.

And another comment here from Brett in Brown Deer.

ICE has a budget larger than the Marines and the FBI.

secret service inside the country to target citizens.

This is exactly what Victor Orban did in Hungary.

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Yeah, I'd like to see a show of hands who is on Tom Homan's side, just lamenting how bad the ice agent is feeling right now.

Yeah.

Yeah, well, you know, Effing-Bitch doesn't really say it all, I guess.

That

and then getting in your own personal vehicle and driving away.

Yeah.

Yes.

driving away from the scene, which is not what they're supposed to do.

I saw a lot of research, by the way, on the fact that this is a tactic used even way back when during the Obama administration of agents getting in front of a vehicle in order to have the excuse of using force to be able to shoot people.

They were doing it back during Obama.

So it's a tactic they're using.

And again, Ross wasn't in front of the vehicle.

He was on the side of the vehicle.

So, but it's a tactic and they're using everything they can against the American public.

I'm just stunned that this is happening.

You know, this is, again, just like our, our, our texter said, you know, we were supposed to use these guns that we have in this country against a tyrannical government.

I don't know.

What that definition means exactly, does it mean what we're going through now?

Is it what we're seeing defined by the Trump administration in this case?

I think so.

I'm not saying get out the guns.

I'm saying isn't this the government you said you needed the guns to defend

against?

And some people are saying, well, there was a shot that went through the windshield.

So that proves that he was in front of the vehicle.

No.

No, it

was in the corner of the windshield.

It was in the

corner of the windshield.

And the other two shots went through the driver's window.

Yeah.

So where's the logic there?

I know.

I

know.

OK.

All right.

Well.

Let's get to, you know, we touched on this earlier about the big meeting with the oil companies, okay?

Now I played one cut of Exxon Mobile CEO saying, you know, I'm not going in there.

It's not good right now.

You know, you got a lot of changes to make first before we spend that kind of money going back in there and for how much time are we gonna be there for years or one year or six months?

You know, these are all really good questions.

But this, I thought, was another big slip by another CEO.

Get this.

This is cut 162.

Let's listen.

Gratitude more so for the opportunity to return to Venezuela under the stability that I know that this team and your team are able to deliver.

When did you leave?

Huh?

When did you leave Venezuela?

As a company we left under the sanctions in 2019, so we had intended to stay and then when the sanctions went into place we were required

to leave.

Well, yeah, although sanctions, the Trump sanctions against Venezuela.

Wow, you know, it turned everything upside down, didn't it?

Let's go back to the phones to Lake Mills we go.

This is Nick.

Good afternoon, Nick.

Go ahead.

Hey guys, I missed your show in the morning.

I thought you were on like indefinite vacation Yeah, like 6 a.m.

I'm on my way to work and I'm like, oh, they must I got fired or

No, no, no.

Anyways,

no, we're still here two to five every afternoon threat.

Oh beautiful my big concern is you know, I wake up I listen to the news in the morning I come home I touch base listen to the news of my wife Yeah, and it's always some kind of outrage callers call in and it's this and it's that

And they're like, well, wait till the midterms.

And I'm like, there ain't going to be no midterms.

They're doing everything they possibly can to not have midterms, whether it's martial law, be involved in a war, some Republican guy bought whatever the voting machines and all this other stuff's going on.

And the only thing that makes sense is that they know they're going to get hammered in the midterms, but they don't seem to care.

And that tells me that they plan on not having the terms somehow.

It seems to be the biggest issue of all, because what other remedy do we have as citizens if there is no midterm?

They got the guns, we got the numbers, but the numbers don't matter if they're not getting counted.

That's a really good point.

Nick, that's perfect.

And they're

doing everything they can to take people off the voting rolls, too.

And by the way, Nick, you have won the official Debbie Downer Call of the Day.

Thank

you.

Thanks, Nick.

Appreciate that call.

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Dr. John.

Yeah, it's John and Gordy in the afternoon, not in the morning.

Right.

Some people are just catching on.

Yeah, we've moved to.

two to five in the afternoon, and then it's Schwabba time

from

five to

eight.

It was a difficult move.

We had some heavy furniture.

Yeah,

there's a lot of furniture that

has

to be moved and rearranged.

You know, you think you just have to do it once, but no,

you got to do it almost every day now.

Every day.

All right.

If you watch the Golden Globes last night, Nikki Gilleser is a great comedian.

Yeah.

She's one of those edgy female comedians that just, you know, goes

All out, says it all, and the Golden Globes were on CBS last night.

The Golden Globes are a little looser.

You know,

it's a little bit more, not formal at

all.

It's

kind of fun.

In fact, I think they can get more credibility back.

A lot of people were against him for a long time.

Yeah.

But I think because of its edginess last night, I think they're going to make some points, especially with Nikki as the host.

Yeah.

She went out and said this, let's listen to her thing.

The

Golden Globe for Best Editing goes to the Justice Department.

Yes, congratulations.

And the award for most editing goes to CBS News.

Yes.

CBS News, America's newest place to see BS News.

Wow.

Yeah.

We needed another.

Like Fox, yeah, yeah CBS Wow

what happened BS news.

I know I just you know, I'm not gonna forget that

well, Tony de Coppola did it

a puff piece on Marco Rubio, basically giving

him

like five minutes of, he does this job now, you know, because he's got, he's wearing so many different hats and hats off to Mark Rubio.

I was like, what am I watching here?

So this is not the old Walter Cronkite CBS.

Hats off to Rubio for spreading himself thin.

Oh my God.

Wow.

Okay.

Crazy stuff.

I

know it.

All right.

We had somebody quote this earlier, and it's time to get to this piece.

What is this?

Trump's only limit on his global power is his morality and mind.

Oh man.

This

is over the top.

He's

lost his mind completely.

An interview with the New York Times, so I'll let Jess listen to it.

Okay.

Do you see any checks on your power on the world stage?

Is there anything that could stop you if you wanted

to?

Yeah, there's one thing.

My own morality.

My own mind.

Oh, that's true.

It's the only thing that can stop.

That's true.

It's not.

And that's not good.

I don't need international law.

I'm not looking to hurt people.

Do

you feel your administration needs to abide by international law on the global stage?

Yeah, I do.

You know, I do, but it depends what your definition of international law is.

You

mean in Greenland?

No.

Well, that's because you needed to start in

the 1951 agreement, though.

It says the United States can reopen these bases any time you want.

You

could send as

many troops as

you want,

and you haven't done it.

How come?

Because I want to do it properly.

And properly means own it?

Really.

To me, it's ownership.

Ownership is...

very important.

Why

is ownership important here?

Because that's what I feel is psychologically needed for success.

I think that ownership gives you a thing that you can't do whether you're talking about a lease or a treaty.

Ownership gives you things and elements that you can't get from just signing a document that you can have a

base.

things that you can't get, like, like signage or,

you know, Trump land or,

I don't know.

So

is he admitting he has a problem where everything has to have his name on it?

Yeah, he has to own it and it has to have his name on it.

And we talked about this before.

I'm going to play it again.

It's called malignant narcissism.

This

is

psychologist Dr. John Gartner on Times Radio.

Let's listen to the definition and tell me if this isn't Trump.

Go ahead.

Let's wear this cut 90 cut 90.

All right.

We have time for that.

I think we're in a hell of a lot of trouble.

Us, America, but the world is in a hell of a lot of trouble because the most powerful man in the world is both evil and demented.

He has the most severe personality disorder actually that a human being can have.

It's called malignant narcissism.

It was originally introduced by Eric Frome, who escaped the Nazis to explain the psychology of Hitler.

and other murderous dictators like him.

It's actually not in the DSM.

It's kind of a historically obscure diagnosis.

But I happen to have studied with the person who was the world expert on malignant narcissism.

And so early on, when Trump was running for president in 2015, I recognized that this was essentially a meteor heading towards Earth.

because I knew just how destructive a malignant narcissistic leader can be to a country.

And I saw it as potentially fatal to our country.

And unfortunately, that seems to be potentially coming true.

It has four components.

Narcissism, of course, but also psychopathy, or we call it antisocial personality disorder.

So lying, breaking laws and norms, having no remorse for violating the rights of others.

Also paranoia.

And finally, sadism.

A lot of what he does is gleefully destructive and harmful.

And it actually gives him enormous pleasure to hurt people and to destroy things.

There you go.

That

pretty much says it all.

Wow.

Yes.

So that's like a meteor heading toward Earth.

Wow.

That's how scary it is.

I think that just about sums it up.

It seems to be getting closer.

I have said this all along, you know, I was the first person in the entire country to declare Trump a dictator.

You were.

I remember.

I was sitting right here.

Yes, I'm waiting for that award.

Yeah, I

should get an

award for that.

I don't know

what they get.

You for that yeah,

I

don't know either a plaque

but I'm also saying that because of malignant narcissism He is a bad case of paranoia and that paranoia is making him I guess wary of other countries our partners in trade Everybody in the world including every American in this country.

We see more evidence of it every single

day.

It's worse sir and worse sir and worse.

I know yeah

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