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We're truly
sorry.
Yeah, she's been regretting it ever since.
Good morning.
Yeah.
Happy Friday.
Rise and shine, shake a leg up and Adam, top of the morning to it.
Seems like we were just here a couple hours ago.
Yeah, well,
you know, I slept over, so I learned the same thing I had last night.
Sorry about that, folks.
Yeah.
I could sleep last night.
Got
home.
Oh.
Like a uptold bug.
two
o'clock in the morning.
I know.
I know.
You know, it was one of those days yesterday.
Yeah.
Yeah.
A lot of things, a lot of things happened yesterday.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, we'll get to all of that.
We'll get to that a little after
seven o'clock.
Yeah.
But it's Friday morning.
John and Gordy, 92.7 WMDX.
Still.
Good morning again.
Good morning to our producer, Dom.
Good morning, guys.
I also slept here too, so we don't sleep over.
It's good that they've installed some bunk beds in the storage room there.
We can all just, you know, use the little dormitory room there.
They put all three of our nameplates on there.
John, Gordy, and then I'm on the
bomb.
Yeah in the electronic campfire was kind of nice.
That was cool.
Yeah
Do much for the marshmallows, but you know, no, oh wait it and wait it and wait
it but nothing All right.
Well, you know, so here it is Friday.
We made it through the week and Looks like a nice day out of us 39 degrees currently a very mild today highs in the low 60s
and the
weekend looks pretty good for Saturday Sunday
back into the mid forties, but Saturday's high about 60 and Sunday mid forties.
What's blinking
there?
Linda from Middleton says, just heard you.
Oh yeah, we were just here a few hours ago.
Yeah, filling in
for her.
Catherine said she didn't sleep the others.
Yeah.
Well, you
know what?
Let's turn it over to Matt and Middleton and see how he slept last
night.
Yeah.
Good morning,
Matt.
Good
morning.
I feel as if we're watching an American soap opera that is written, produced, and starring a pure psychopath.
And the season finale is going to be early next year with the complete bankruptcy of America, because apparently they can't find money.
The treasury is low.
They're promising $2,000 to families.
No
one knows where that money will come from.
They're already missing billions millions.
It's unaccounted for
It's a complete mess, but it'll be entertaining, you know.
Well, in the Epstein files, we're getting more and more
information
out.
More emails are coming out and more very interesting.
The emails definitely said that he was a part of the Epstein clan.
No doubt about it.
My God.
Yeah, but you're right, Matt.
It's insanity on top of insanity.
We've got a few stories a little bit later that
you know, exemplify the insanity of everything and the fact that these people go out every day and lie their asses off.
You know?
I mean, it's just, it's comical to a point where you just wanna just, you know, throw your hands up and say, I'm outta here.
But we're in this country and we're not gonna leave.
It's not like leaving the room.
you know, if you wrote a sitcom like, well,
I
mean, Veep, you know, there's
what a great
show
that was,
right?
But,
you know, it was so comical, you never, you never think that anything like that could actually happen.
But
this has gone way beyond.
Anything that
we could ever think would well, you know It's a big tip-off and we mentioned this way back when the big tip-off is when they started deconstructing the government
Just taking it apart.
He's just taking it apart throwing things away firing thousands tens of thousands of people You know the thing that you normally do
if you're a responsible executive, is you make your plans, you have a plan in place to replace what you want to replace, and you slowly phase out the parts you don't want anymore.
You don't just throw them away, not have an exact plan yet, but then plan later to replace what you just threw away.
I mean seriously you don't do that no one does that and that was the dead giveaway for me that we're definitely in trouble because it's all it all builds you know people are going to need these services people are going to need these uh these uh responsibilities that the department had in order to control what's going on in certain parts of our economy
right well yeah and the federal workers the civil servants and everything that know how to how then
how the things actually work.
I didn't know how the wheels of government are supposed to turn.
You just don't show them the door all at once.
You don't do that.
But that's what they did because that was in project 2025.
You know, that was their plan and that is their plan.
And they've kind of gone right down the list
there.
But we're going down the tubes because of this.
Anyway.
And we like to, you know, I like to think of John and Gordy as
as trying to put a smiley face, a graffiti smiley face on the fascism that is moving into this country.
We want to hold your hand through thick and thin.
and hope that there's a smile on your face.
A song in your heart.
Yeah.
And
as you're led
away to the guillotine.
Oh, God.
OK.
No, the FEMA camp or, you know, whatever it is.
Oh, the FEMA camp.
OK.
Yeah,
it's one of those things.
In just a few minutes, we're going to be talking with Pam Yaqui, the latest from...
Her perspective in the Midwest food and farm report, a lot of things she has to talk about this morning.
And Savannah Tomey Olson will join us in a little while to give us a news update as well as a rocker with the Max Inc preview.
So that's what's on our agenda today.
We've
got a few things and
then we'll talk about some other things too.
Really?
Yeah.
We'll get to some other interesting aspects of...
what we do here and what's happening.
So, yeah, I managed to get a few stories between doing Shrava show and preparing for this
particular program.
You know, that was fun last night talking to Scott Dickers.
That was particularly interesting hearing about the onion.
I
got that clip.
Yeah.
Finally, I don't know why I couldn't see it in the folders last night I wanted to play it because yeah, I somehow made the book
Yeah, you're in his new book, The Onion Story.
I'm part of The Onion
Story.
Wow, I just knocked out over that, you know.
You've complained about it for years that whenever they got some publicity, well, they never talk about how the whole thing started and I let them on the air and we started The Onion Show.
I know.
That's my John Peters advice.
And so maybe some of that got back to him.
Maybe I
should put this in the book.
And then they'll just leave me alone.
Yeah, I don't know how big a part that was.
I only heard part of it because we recorded it while we were in a break.
Yeah, the audible.
So I had no idea how much more he said about how fantastic I was.
No, I'm just kidding.
But
he was such a gracious individual.
We've known Scott for so many years and he has really been over backwards helping us out with Onion Radio and Onion Appearances on our old cable access show.
We had just so much fun at those times.
Well in a Bella audio to Bob a Bella
that was kind of
the gathering place
for a
lot of the creative activities early on
Yeah,
that was such a great studio and Bob a Bella was
just let us do this stuff.
Yeah, it's
a terrific time.
Yeah, yeah
So we should
get Bob in this in the show here.
Well reach out to
Bob a Bella
if you're listening
I
would love that.
I would
actually like that.
Yeah, we have to get him in
Let's see, we're getting some emails and
texts.
And Epstein was sending emails to Trump's former Treasury Secretary, Larry Summers.
Seeing Trump was a bad man.
Wow.
Okay, Larry
Summers, very blunt.
Never know what's gonna come out of Larry Summers mouth, but there it is.
Truly Trump had a tremendous amount to do to do with this I did a little investigating on this
you
because I you know when you hear a talking point from the magas You know that it's a lie so you always have to like research it and find out what the real truth is because they really Sometimes they ignore the truth completely sometimes you kind of pull certain things out to make it sound like they know the truth, right?
They actually don't right and they always blame the Democrats well
Why didn't Biden release the Epstein files?
Why didn't he
do it?
Well, there are actual reasons for that.
No kidding.
No, really, if it was that important, why didn't he release them?
Because it was mostly to protect the victims.
Well, right, because the investigations
were still going
on.
The victims were still in court and they didn't want to reveal all of that information.
subject them to the harassment for those supporting Trump.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But now a lot of those victims have come out and, you know, in fact, banded together and they want to see the files
released too.
And again, we don't know what happened to the victim's list of clients that they wanted read on the House floor.
Right.
And yeah, we haven't heard much about that.
I don't know where that went.
You know, I could probably do an AI Google search
And it'll come up with something.
Maybe they put it off or maybe it didn't get enough votes.
I just don't know.
And I know Dom is looking right now.
Well, and, you know, the thing was with the Democrats, Trump was saying, well, they don't want it to come out because, you know, there's a bunch of stuff on Clinton in there, probably.
And, you
know,
but the Democratic Party is the party of accountability.
We go after our own, you know, and
we make
them.
Yeah, we don't let them off the hook.
I mean, they've done wrong.
They have to account for it.
And, you know, if that's the case, if Bill Clinton is in there, you know, so be it.
And
let's not forget that what they were doing while we are talking about it, they're clearing all of the Republican names from the Epstein list, right?
Right.
And they're leaving the Democrats on it.
Now, that seems pretty obvious.
Now, it would, you know, I mean, you look at the list and there's only Democrats on it and there's a lot of like dark black lines through the other side of the aisle.
That obviously would
become very obvious.
Well, and the other part of that is there's a lot of big money donors, supposedly,
from
both
sides on that
list, you know, and maybe they've donated to both parties, you know, and so, you know.
A lot of people don't want to see those names
out there.
This was a million billionaire club.
This
was what
they depended on, the privileged billionaires.
I was just looking and it looks like there's a whole wiki, a whole dedicated website of just all the victims and potential victims that were on the Epstein list.
Really?
Yeah, I didn't even know that existed.
Just sad.
Yeah, I've not seen that either.
But
is there a reason why it wasn't read on the house floor?
I haven't been able to find that
yet, but
I'll check.
Alright, yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
There's just another major.
Well, we don't have any time.
I have another thing that I'll bring up and we'll get to that
in just a moment.
Okay.
Yeah, we're just getting started on a Friday morning, 19 minutes past the hour and we'll get to more of John and Gordy in the morning.
Right here on WMD.
I'm still waking up.
Sorry.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
Yeah.
A little groggy.
We're coming right back.
Yep.
Stay with us.
I am trappling up the east to the land of the under 21 bars.
I'm going to Cheeseland, Cheeseland, the Dales and Door County, I'm going to Cheeseland.
WMDX, John and Gordy in the morning.
Ah
yes, Cheeseland.
Yes, here we are on a Friday 39 degrees high about 61 to it's gonna be gorgeous today today and tomorrow Fantastic Sunday is gonna be a little cooler back into the mid 40s, but get
out and
enjoy it higher
on
60 Yeah, wow Pam Yaki joins us now from the Midwest food and farm report.
Good morning, Pam
Yep, good morning a little advice if you have holiday decorations that you expect to enjoy put them out now.
Oh, yeah, that's a great
idea Yeah, this would be a good weekend to do that.
That's right It's
it's you it is the only way I'm going to persuade my husband to do it So I'm hoping that the weather will be enough.
Do you do a lot of decorating for the holidays inside and outside?
Well mostly outside and it's a part of that
early morning mentality you guys know when you go in early having any light anything that's a little bright I'll even take like quick trip signs as my motivation that it's a bright color it's a bright light because otherwise it's so cotton picking pitch black dark and it just depresses the snot out of me so I make him plug the lights in from about the day after Thanksgiving and then maybe around Easter I'll finally
Yield and let them on I it's just that it's just the complete not our darkness that I use holiday lights to try to offset
well Yeah, it brightens your day,
and I'm
sure that I'm sure your holiday lights are probably green and gold Right
to a large extent.
Yes to a large extent.
Yes That seems to be my universal theme whether it's down here up at the house in Green Bay, so
oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, you know we talk about cheese land and I think the milk production number
is incredibly high.
You said it's back
in
business, it's come back.
Wow, has it come back?
What is this about?
Yeah.
Well, and you know, it's kind of one of those deals.
Be careful what you wish for.
So the government was shut down and we were walking blindly without any information coming from USDA.
And then all of a sudden plop, they jump, jump, drop it on us.
So September melt in the United States.
And there's about 14 major dairy producing states, of course, Wisconsin's in there.
They saw about a 4% increase in milk.
Now, we knew it was going to be strong.
We knew it was going to be robust.
In the Midwest, it was 3.5%.
What we didn't expect were the cow numbers.
So for a long time now, farms had been working to have younger herds.
Maybe they market older animals because the beef market's been so robust.
Well, the trends are starting to change.
USDA said we've got over 220,000 more cows milking this year.
than we did last year in September.
40,000 more milk cows just between August and September.
Now just try to visualize that.
40,000 more milk cows in one month's time.
And it's not coming from Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan.
We're seeing cows in Kansas, in Georgia, in Idaho, in Texas.
And the reason that the cows are there is we have got major huge mega dairy plants that have been built there, brand new, and they're calling for that milk production.
The other thing that I had an analyst point out, and I hadn't really thought about it, you know, even in Wisconsin, we have kind of been under wraps.
and our hands tied with any milk production expansion because of dairy capacity since the pandemic.
Remember in the pandemic when nobody would go to work?
Milk processing couldn't happen, milk was getting dumped, and it really upset the apple cart.
And that basically made our processors tell our dairy farmers, you are not going to add cows.
You are not going to expand.
We didn't have a formal quota system in place, but the companies, the cooperatives were definitely sending the message.
we will not accept your overage.
So that's what we've been living with basically since the pandemic.
Now all these big milk processing plants, largely cheese factories are coming online.
And now they're saying, Hey,
bring us your milk.
In fact, the one in Kansas, that's such a big facility that they actually were in collaboration with dairy farms to build brand new dairy farms near the plant to minimize transportation, maybe find a new way to connect the farms directly to the factories with pipes or what have you.
I'm not sure if all of that's come to fruition, but that's a big part of why we saw so much milk come on board between August and September.
And it's not just us.
She also told me that in the European Union, so your big milk producing regions in Europe would be, in the European Union would be France, Germany, Ireland, and the Netherlands.
And their milk production is up between five and seven percent.
And they outproduced the United States.
by a major majority.
Like they are the world, one of the world.
Yeah.
I didn't know that either.
That kind of shocked me.
I got to do a deeper dive on those numbers.
That's what they tell me.
You know, they always be skeptic.
But anyhow, they got a lot of milk coming to the market.
And you know, the worst part is we're all competing for the same market.
We'll get our cold storage report that'll tell us how much has been moving during the shutdown, how much has been moving as far as holiday demand.
But boy, those, you just can't, those are
Those are not numbers to be dismissed in one month.
We may see it again with the next report they give us.
Now, memory serves here.
I remember, I think it was during COVID, a lot of these dairy plants went out of business or they refused taking milk from certain milk producers around the state.
Was that part of it at that point?
Do you think other states may have seen that happen in Wisconsin saying, well, let's jump on that bandwagon?
If they're pulling out, we want to.
put our own plants
in.
To a certain extent, yeah, I think you're right.
The pandemic was different in so many different ways.
In Wisconsin, we've got what would be called a mature processing situation.
Our infrastructure is mature.
where they're plopping down these big cheese plants are places that are in wide open spaces that they think geographically may be able to get milk.
Like look at Kansas, you want to truck it towards California, you want to truck it towards the East Coast, you want to truck it towards the Southeast, which is always deficit milk.
They're kind of pivoted in the right direction.
So some of its geography and some of it is the products that we make in Wisconsin.
We're so much specialty cheese, but yeah.
Like I said, we're still learning lessons from what we did in the pandemic.
All
right.
We have to leave it there, Pam.
Thank you so much.
We'll talk to you
again.
Oh, actually.
Talk to you Monday.
All right.
Monday again.
All right.
See you later.
Back with idiocracy on John and Gordy in the morning.
WMDX.
As the 21st century began, human evolution was at a turning point, a dumbing down, until humanity was incapable of solving even its most basic problems.
What an idiot.
The inner machinations of my mind are an enigma.
What?
What the f***
is going on around here?
Holy s***.
Idiocracy.
For the smartest guy in the world, you're pretty dumb sometimes.
Yep.
They are pretty stupid most of the time and we feature it here on
idiocracy as usual It is 6 35 clear skies this morning.
It's a beautiful start here.
It is State Street downtown Madison nice and clear and highs today around 61 bright beautiful sunshine today and tomorrow
Tomorrow pretty much a replay of today and then Sunday it turns cooler.
46 for a high.
Want to remind you we're filling in for Pete Schwab again tonight.
Yes.
Pete continues to be on vacation.
We're going to talk to Tom Mannis and Christy Mannis.
They're a couple that they travel all over Wisconsin.
In
fact,
they travel all over the world, but they focus on Wisconsin.
They got a couple of great books and we enjoy having them on.
They always come up with some unusual places to visit.
Yeah.
You know, maybe for the holidays.
to get out and see some different kind of holiday displays.
You know, things like that.
It's one of the great things.
They know about it
all.
About Wisconsin is that the people here in Wisconsin, they grab on, they latch on to something really weird and strange and they beat it to death.
That's why
we love it.
They put up big signs, big animals, big...
big figurines of some sort everywhere, and they just love that stuff, and it makes Wisconsin what it is.
Yeah, yeah.
And so, yeah, we'll be talking about all the oddities and strange places to visit and good places to visit in Wisconsin tonight with Pete Schwab.
It seems like we're working all the time, doesn't
it?
Well, it does, you know, and we love branching out.
Yeah, we love.
And talking about the entire state.
of Wisconsin.
Yes, we do.
Who else do we have on tonight?
I've forgotten, because I didn't get much sleep last night.
Oh,
really?
Yeah, do we have... Rocker,
right?
Oh, Rocker's gonna be
with us tonight.
That's right.
Yeah.
With the Maxink Preview, the Barband Friday night edition.
Yeah.
So that'll be fun.
And then, of course, you know, we'll spend an entire half hour talking to Gordy about his watch list, all the shows he's watching now on his big giant TV.
If a
70-inch TV, again, it's like a UFO is landing.
in my living room.
It's just, it's incredible.
And yeah, I'm enjoying it, but I need to turn down the brightness, I think.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Yeah, I need to adjust it a little bit.
You can adjust it.
Oh, I know.
Yeah.
I just hate to fool around with it too much because, you know.
I'll mess it up and then I can't find, you know, it looks fine.
Here's the thing.
I'm not complaining.
It looks great.
I could
probably bring Cole over, my older son.
He could probably help adjust it.
See, the thing, people think, oh, well, you're babying these kids.
I am in a way, but I bought them LG OLED TVs, okay?
And a lot of people say, well, wow.
Nice going.
But the thing with an OLED TV, it is solid.
You can see it at any angle
and it is
self-correcting.
I mean, you don't have to make adjustments to it if you don't want.
They let you make a theater mode or a game mode.
Yes, but it really is.
It's just, it's there.
It's perfect.
right out of the box.
And my son, they normally, they look at the backlighting on LCDs, LEDs.
And they look at the backlighting on it and say, oh look, there's patchiness in that gray scene that I just can't do.
It's really disturbing to me.
If there's a cloudy sky and you can see the patchwork of LEDs behind it, there's backlighting in order to create a brighter picture.
Okay, and and they always tone it down but when they try to tone it down it becomes patchier over there and there and I thought you know I'm
I'm done with this.
So you got the OLED.
Yeah, we got the OLEDs.
I'm not taking complaints from them.
I'm not going to let them settle for less.
And that
is
it.
That's why we went to TDS because they have a fiber optic.
I would never go back to coax ever in my entire life.
And I keep telling that.
I keep telling that.
I'm
sorry, you're talking still.
Just
asked John here.
I apologize for going into that.
This is idiotic.
Deep weeds.
Deep in the weeds here.
No idea what you're talking about.
Just
go to Fibropic, do not go to Coax.
If you like to download speeds, you can upload speed the same speed.
It is just incredible.
And and by the way, there's no it doesn't drop out.
You
don't have dead spots.
It doesn't go away It's always there.
TDS is just fantastic.
I know that they have lousy ratings.
I don't know why I Seriously, I've not had a problem with
all translate anything that I have no I
also have a TV that's curved as well So
I
have
a
curved TV.
Yes, I
just got I love it.
I can see I can sit on the couch and
See anything.
It's a television not a monitor.
It's not a monitor.
It's a television that allows.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, isn't that like a old model TV?
They don't make curved TVs anymore.
It's like surround, right?
You know, you can get close enough to it.
And here's the thing with the OLED you can get as close to that TV.
Yes, there's more.
You can get as close to that TV as possible and you will not see any
any little it's nice yeah it is just perfect yeah uh right
okay
if you say so i'll
have a lot of tech
talk i i know see you get confused i do
Yeah,
very easily bumping
into walls.
The best thing to do is bring coal over.
He'll adjust your television set.
So it's more to your liking.
Actually, I think it's just fine.
No, you don't.
Yeah, I do.
You just said it was like having
a working at a bright light bulb, right?
But it, you know, helps me go to sleep.
So what can I say?
Wow.
All right.
Let's get to idiocracy because that's what we're doing here, right?
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No technology
to
just leave.
Leave that one alone.
All right, let's get to health care.
We always talk
about health care here because I'm a big advocate for universal health care or universal health insurance Here's a little note.
I you know, I find these tidbits every once in a while I find them very interesting this person wrote giving birth in the US approximately $18,000 average cost of cancer treatment in the US $150,000
One month ICU stay in the US between $30,000 and $150,000.
That's not even including copays, deductibles, interest, and all the other hoops you have to jump through for care.
Not only that, you have to look at your bill, see if you were over billed or double billed, stuff like that.
So you go to Canada, the cost is zero.
You go to the UK, cost is zero.
And you go to Australia, cost is zero.
There you go.
That's pretty cool
and
Why can't we do this?
Why can't we do this?
This is insane.
Well, because Trump made it more expensive.
I mentioned this the other day.
The Trump Authority passed specific rules that are contributing to higher health insurance premiums in 2026, averaging 18%.
So he increased the price of health insurance by 18%, all by himself.
Thank you very much, Trump.
And now he's complaining that, gee, you know, the AC is a failed product because the...
Democrats created this thing where costs just went out of control.
Well, he contributed to that, believe it or not.
One rule starting in 2026 increases the limits of out-of-pocket costs for many private health plans, including those offered by employers.
Now, a lot of people get their health insurance through employers.
Trump lifted the ACA's federal rate review threshold, raising the premiums up to 15% annually.
Used to be 10.
5%.
He added it to the expiration of the Affordable Care Act.
So a lot of bad things, you know, when it comes to him actually contributing to the cost of health care.
It just goes on and on, doesn't it?
As
far as healthcare goes.
It really does.
It just keeps going up, up, up.
Now, we don't like to publicize the Republican candidates for governor, but every once in a while they come up with one of those crazy ideas that you just have to mention.
A Republican candidate, Wisconsin governor, Josh Showman, is proposing moving all elections to November.
I want to know where the primaries are going to end up.
If you move them all to November, do we know who the candidates are going to be for the November elections?
You've got to
have primaries.
Well, yeah,
that would be
another time of the year.
Why would he
propose this?
These people, please.
He wants to eliminate all those ballot drop boxes.
Oh, they're evil.
Here we go again.
See, you drop a ballot into those drop boxes.
Somebody picks up the ballots and they take them right into city hall.
That's it.
That's how it works.
You drop a ballot into a mailbox.
It goes to Milwaukee first.
It may go down south.
It may go west or east.
Who knows where it's going to end up?
I've had that happen actually.
Really?
Yeah, where things just go out to the east coast.
Well, you know, I'm waiting for a package, right?
And it's on its way to my house.
And all of a sudden it ends up in...
Kansas.
How did it go to Kansas?
It's just the way things are.
That's why they have the post-date on these ballots,
where
you can count the ballots five days after the election closes, because sometimes these letters take a while to get there.
But let's get rid of the...
the ballot boxes immediate I don't know what's wrong with these people and then he wants to do away with get this he wants to get rid of the bipartisan wisconsin elections commission so so there's no watchdog
for
elections right and and so because there's no watchdog for the elections he wants voters to pick who oversees
The election, how is that done?
That doesn't make any sense at all.
What do
they have like a ballot box at a quick trip?
You know, my neighbor would be really good at this.
Can anyone make sense out of any of this?
No.
Okay, remember the...
Remember the name Josh show and do not work for that guy
It is crazy.
Okay now Caroline Levitt, you know, she's something else, right?
Yeah, I do have
time for this.
She says the Democrats may have permanently damaged the federal statistical system.
This was during the shutdown.
Let's listen to cut 83.
83.
This is Caroline Levitt.
Economists, investors and policymakers at the Federal Reserve to receive critical government data.
The Democrats may have permanently damaged the federal statistical system with October CPI and jobs reports likely never being released.
And all of that
Oh really?
Is that right?
I
don't think so.
I don't think so.
You can put her all back in place.
How could we permanently wreck that?
Come on, folks.
They don't want to report it.
That's the deal.
They don't want to talk about inflation, so that's permanently destroyed.
They'll never report about inflation again.
OK,
OK, make it up.
Yeah, it is coming up on six forty nine.
John and Courtney for Friday morning will continue in just mere moments.
Keep it right here.
WMDX.
What's that number again?
Hey, I've
seen
a lot of
that before.
Yeah.
Beautiful weather today, highs around 61, right now it's 39 degrees, downtown Madison looking bright and beautiful, clear skies.
Mark Texas us, he wrote, why not limit the healthcare CEOs and other top management with their salaries?
I mean, they are really making money hand over fist, that's one of the big problems that we have in healthcare, disproportionate amount of pay for some of the individuals at these insurance companies.
He also said when living up north as a kid,
Our mail got postmarked at the South Range Wisconsin Post Office.
Now, if you, you'd see some postmarked Eau Claire and maybe even Minneapolis.
I remember when they were clearing out all these warehouses, postal warehouses all over to slim down because the Republicans required the Post Office to pay the pensions 50 years ahead of time.
Wow.
I mean, that, well, obviously it was meant to destroy the post office.
That was their intent.
But it did take out some of those warehouses and some of those distribution centers they called them.
And I think it took out the Milwaukee.
post office.
Really?
Milwaukee Street post office.
Oh, you're in Madison.
Yeah.
And that's where a mail kind of circulated
through that.
It
didn't have to go to Milwaukee.
Yeah, there still is a big building there.
It's a distribution center.
But it doesn't just go there.
Now it
goes to Milwaukee and then it comes back.
It doesn't make any sense.
Makes sense, right?
Let's go to the phones.
Charles is on the line from Milwaukee this morning.
Good morning, Charles.
Hey, happy Friday, guys.
These people, it would do these people some good to maybe look at some video before they get up in front of a podium and lie.
This idea of not reporting job numbers was floated before by Trump.
That's why he fired the lake that gave the juice.
They just get in front of the TV and just
and just lie.
This wasn't just a Democrat.
The numbers are horrible.
So no, we're not going to, we're going to come up with some big lie and say that the Democrats probably destroyed this for forever.
That's right.
They permanently damaged it with the shutdown.
How stupid does that sound?
The numbers are just really that bad.
And the sad part is the conservative people are going to believe it.
They're going to go along with it.
Yeah.
And by some by some I chance that you guys happen to hear Stephanie Miller and Sean Hannity.
Oh,
yes.
I did
not.
Oh, this
was.
Yeah.
This was a great thing.
Go
ahead and tell us about
it,
Charles.
You have to you have to find it.
Yeah.
They see Jasmine Crockett was at an event before the November 4th election and Stephanie Miller pretended like she got down and kissed her feet.
Oh, the right wing.
of manly men who are all up and on and calling her the R word and the N word.
Oh, it was crazy.
So Sean Hannity actually knew it was a joke.
So he had her on and Sean Hannity asked her something about when did she know that Joe Biden was declining?
And all of a sudden,
She turned it on him and just started talking about, um, Donald Trump falling asleep and Donald Trump is in Eston files.
And she just, it was perfect.
It was
perfect.
Can we get that
recorded?
Well, we'll try and
find that.
But yes, it's, uh, Sean
Hannity and Stephanie Miller
and
Stephanie Miller just really was great.
And I'm sure she's a great part.
Yeah.
The great part was that.
the audience, his, his fashion, his audience got to hear her talk about Donald Trump.
And he files it.
Yes, finally.
Yes.
Right.
Yeah, she got all of that.
Yeah, you got it.
Yeah, you got it here because it was, it was amazing.
Yeah.
All right.
Oh, thank you, Charles.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's great to bring that to our attention.
Yeah, that's really quite a clip.
We got to find out.
We got to
get that clip, definitely.
I'm sorry I missed that one.
I feel like I let everybody down at this point.
I'm going home.
No, don't go home.
Let's go to Mark.
Mark, what do you got for us this morning?
Good morning, Mark.
Yeah, I'm surprised.
I have to check over Caroline Love to see what your makeup she uses to cover up the spot where she has that cross dangling there in front of her and it starts
burning her into her flesh because she's lying so much.
You know, you wonder how much Peg Pancock make up, make up, she has to put over that spot where she's got that little cross there because that just annoys me when somebody's off their line like that and then they display the cross like that.
I mean, it is just, or any religious, it's simple for that matter, you know, that one of the things that even, even pagan religions didn't like the people lying.
It is just
It is just beyond me that they get away with this stuff, and she thinks she's getting away with it, and I guess she maybe is talking to an audience of one plus, because, you know, MEGA is just of one mind, and now it's just the corporate mindset of Donald Trump, and they'll take whatever BS he spins out, and she spins out the BS, and they go, amen, amen, amen, and they'll never follow up and look up to see what the actual number is actually like,
I wasn't a count for goodness sakes.
I know numbers numbers mean something they
do Yeah, and
to say that
the Democrats permanently destroyed that whole system All I have to do is just get the person back who did all that work and or the number of people back the department and Just start over again.
I don't even know why they actually Put that department on hold because it's so important to our economy You know, they should have been there all along this
This administration doesn't know who to lay off and who to keep up, who to pay and who not to pay, who not to downsize and who to downsize.
It's just, it's total ma'am, I don't know.
It boggles the mind.
It
does.
Absolutely.
Oh, you found that clip.
Yeah, we're working on it right now.
But give us a minute or two and we'll get to it.
Coming up also in our seven o'clock hour here, we're going to talk to Savannah Tomei Olson.
We've got
a news update from her.
And of course, Rocker will be in because it's Friday morning.
We need a Max Inc preview.
Are you trying to delay?
We're going to also make a big announcement here on the show.
Ah, big announcement.
So, yeah.
plugging it into the
schedule.
Yes, I am right now.
All right.
Yes, that is, it is a big announcement, isn't it?
It is.
Yeah, we'll get to that right after we check in with news and weather and sports.
We got, we got to go.
Oh, too late.
In the morning.
In the morning.
In the
morning.
In
the morning.
In the morning.
In the morning.
Coffee.
Yes,
here we are.
Yeah.
In the morning.
It is the place to go.
706 beautiful clear skies this morning.
We're going to see bright, beautiful sunshine all day long highs around 61 degrees right now.
It's 40 degrees on State Street.
And right now we've got Savannah Tome Olson on the line.
And I just, you know, she's got a whole bunch of big stories here, but the big one is the city budget.
You got to fill us in on what's going on with the Madison city budget.
Yeah,
there was some last minute drama on Tuesday as they were finally ready to pass this budget.
So they've been talking about it for months,
right?
The mayor has spent months rolling out this piece, that piece, this aspect of it.
And what happened on Tuesday was three Alders kind of banded together.
and created this proposal to defund the office of the independent monitor.
Now that was the independent police monitor, which was created in 2020.
It had been discussed for years and was finally like got some funding, got basically all the framework set up to create this office and create the police civilian oversight board, right?
once they hired Robin Copley in 2022 to be the independent police monitor, things really took a while to get off the ground.
It wasn't until December of 24 that there was even a complaint form released.
the Office of the Independent Monitor.
Okay.
At one point, Copley was on health leave, and then she just resigned in October citing health issues.
So these Alders decided that it would be a better idea to defund the Office of the Independent Monitor and put that money toward basically all the extra money that they need to implement body cameras or police here in Madison.
And
Ultimately, that move failed, but this was the second budget cycle in a row that the office of the independent monitor was on the chopping block.
Last year, the mayor was straight up considering axing the office altogether.
There is definitely some pressure on them going forward to produce some results.
It was a tense meeting on
Tuesday.
Wow, no job stability there.
I'd be looking for work if that were my job.
Wow, all right.
And I think technically they're only given 2.6 full-time equivalent employees.
It's not huge, but...
That's $400,000 that Alders wanted to put somewhere else.
All right.
Is there anything else that's bubbling up here that we should know about?
Well, the big thing, the other big thing, I know we keep talking about this, but that data center in Beaver Dam was announced on Wednesday and
that'll
be meta.
It'll be gigantic.
And so we'll just kind of have to see what goes from there.
The mayor says this really benefits them because after the tax increment district ends, meta will
be paying 15% of all of city tax revenue, which is huge for Beaver Dam.
So it really shows the trade-off that these communities are facing because they can really make some improvements with money that big too.
Yep, they really can.
And one more question before you go, here's Savannah, and we'll be asking this for the next three years.
How's that John Nolan construction project happening?
We
had a couple of those overnight closures, right?
Oh my
gosh, I went last week and I was like, okay, two and a half more years, right?
Oh no.
Okay, good enough.
Savannah, always good to talk to you.
We appreciate it.
You have a good weekend.
You guys too.
Thanks
a bunch.
All right.
All right.
Savannah Tomay Olson from WMDX.
Okay, we came up
with a clip here and we want to thank Tim Gifford for providing us with it.
He's from Watertown.
Yeah, let's listen to the the
This is an exchange between Stephanie Miller and Sean Hannity.
Sean Hannity invited her on the show and here's what happened.
All right.
All right, well, that
clip
included some other things that were added there for perfect.
But you get the gist of it.
I'm sure Stephanie is going to talk a little bit more about this on her show coming up after ours.
OK.
So anything else we want to talk about?
Well,
we have an announcement to make.
Yeah.
OK.
All right.
You know how much we love getting up in the morning and giving you the latest information about the Trump administration and our move into fascism.
It's always something to laugh about.
But we try to add a little painted smile to all of this
bad
news.
Just to have a little fun and to make it go down a little easier.
Things that are happening in our
world.
Things have changed here at the civic media.
They have made some dramatic moves.
We found us out yesterday.
Mm-hmm and John and Gordy will be in the afternoons.
Yeah,
and that'll last starting next week starting next
week.
Yeah starting Monday
from two till five o'clock, right?
So
and we we don't
we feel bad because we don't abandon you here in the morning
we're gonna be filling in in the mornings as well.
We're gonna do two shows because we just can't just drop out and
we
want somebody that does pretty much what we do here to help you through this, move into fascism.
And by the way, we want you...
to know that we value every one of your calls, your opinions.
You have become a major part of this program.
Yes.
You are part of us.
We value everything that you have done so far.
And we want to see you in the afternoon where we expect you to call.
Yeah.
Continue this conversation because you are invaluable to the John and Gordy show.
Yep.
So we're moving to the network.
And again, that starts Monday, uh, three, two, I'm sorry, two to five.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, and Pete Schwab gets, uh, an extra hour.
Well, he'll, he'll start at five.
But, uh, yeah, we've got an extra hour.
So there'll be some other announcements during the day today.
Yes.
And, uh, we invite you to tune in, uh, for the rest of the day and you'll hear some of that.
But
it's tough because we designed this entire program, all our jingles, everything.
For the mornings and we just expect to talk to you first thing and work you through this and you help us get through this as well.
We've had a good two year run here in the mornings.
It was a
great audition.
It was a two year audition.
We're gonna be statewide though, and that's what's really exciting for us.
We'll be on the Civic Media Network now.
So that's happening, and we invite you to come along with us, but also we'll be filling in here.
Yes, we can't
abandon the morning right away.
That means double the stories, right?
You can actually finish all the stories
that you have.
That's it.
We've got a big backlog, so we ask for more time.
I've got a phone book
worth the
stories that I have not gotten to.
Why am I carrying this thing with me?
I have
no idea.
Well, we're getting some texts in here already, and we appreciate that.
And somebody who's identifying as sky is the limits as I've really enjoyed your show in the morning, most definitely will try to listen in the afternoon as well.
Thank you so much for your service, guys.
Well, thank you.
Well, I know everybody that calls
here in the program, and I'm talking about everybody.
I know I've heard them on other shows on civic media.
So just fill us in.
Keep in contact.
Keep in touch with
us.
Yeah, we have to talk.
We have to keep going.
Don't want to stop this.
Absolutely.
Okay.
All right,
moving on here.
Moving on here, I
have, let's get to the Bible, the Trump Bible, if we can.
My
favorite Bible.
The Trump Bible?
My favorite Bible.
Do they still make the Trump Bible?
I
don't know how
that... I bet they've got a
warehouse full.
They never bragged about the Trump Bible sales.
Okay, so after rigidly refusing to negotiate with the Democrats over life-saving healthcare and snap for needy families.
This was said.
Let's go to cut 87.
All right, let's listen.
Thank you.
The Bible tells us that one of the measures of any society is how it cares for vulnerable children and orphans.
So important and it's so big in the Bible.
So as we make America great again, we are going to protect American children in foster care.
Wow, it says the guy that asks the Supreme Court to keep millions of American kids hungry.
Okay.
Well, you know, that's what the Bible says.
I guess.
Okay.
Now let's get to our representative Tim Burchett.
He lied bold face about the Epstein files.
This is just amazing.
This is truly amazing.
As everyone knows by now, the Biden administration didn't release the Epstein files because in 2021, the Democrats wanted to protect a lot of the victims who still had court cases going.
Okay.
Now, here's what was said by Tim Burchett.
Now, Burchett is like
crazy southern mega and uh and and and he had his own excuses for this so let's listen to cut 88 listen to this
hey everybody tim birchett in Washington dc of course trying to open up the government but i tried to make them release the um epstein files and i was blocked by the democrats no this is all meansmanship folks
It's not about releasing the files.
If they had something on Trump, they would have released it.
Biden had it for four years.
We didn't do that.
They had Trump more than anything in the world.
And so now they blocked it.
And so they can piecemeal the truth and the half-truths, both sides of what Willie went down with Hebstain.
And it's kind of disgusting, really.
Well, I tried.
That's all I can tell
you.
It's kind of disgusting that you've tried.
Here's what actually happened, a representative, Tim Perchett, who seemed to be trying to steal the mantle of the number one pedophile protector in Congress from Mike Johnson, fast-tracked an Epstein files vote using unanimous consent.
Okay, this is important.
A procedural shortcut that requires both parties leadership.
to sign off on in advance.
He didn't get the advance.
He didn't get it signed off.
No one approved it.
So that didn't go through.
So when
he attempted it on the floor of the house, they blocked it.
And the Democrats didn't block it.
It was the Republicans who blocked it.
In fact, specifically, Representative Steve Womack of Arkansas blocked it because he was presiding over the house at that time.
The Democrats had nothing to do with blocking any of this.
They just lied.
They just lied.
What is wrong?
What's happening to these people?
Okay.
We will continue with more stories of the day here.
Nineteen past the hour.
John Gordy continues after this.
It's where the
action is.
W-M-D-X John and Gordy in the morning and...
Coming
up in about 15 minutes, Rocker is in the studio
with a maxing preview.
He's
walking around here and we made a major announcement and a few questions and texts came in in regards to that.
Let's go to Bud in Jamesville who had the biggest question of all.
Bud, thanks for giving us a call.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Yeah, say, love your show guys.
Thank you.
And you, you dropped this bomb about your moving.
Yes.
to the afternoon and, you know, I listen all day.
What's happening to Maggie Don?
Here's what we didn't want to do, but we didn't want to speak for the other individuals.
They will be making their own announcements today.
They will
be on today and listen for them at that point, okay?
We don't want to speak for them.
All right.
Let me tell
you this, though.
We're all very good friends here at Civic Media.
We love every one of the other announcers.
We work together all the time.
And it's kind of tough to take just to let you know.
But we don't want to speak for them.
Listen to their shows they have today to explain and see what they want to say.
And I'm sure they'll be glad to hear from you.
Yep.
Okay.
Thank you, bud.
And let's see.
Taking some other texts here and Dick is on the line here.
Let's go to Dick.
All right.
Good morning, Dick.
Good morning, guys.
Congratulations.
Thank
you.
You answered my question just now.
Real quickly, we'll see KB moving to the afternoon.
You know my thinking Afternoon he might actually come up with some factual things to talk about Yes, he'll be one
away.
Well, let CJ talk for
himself That was really mean of me.
I know
that was good.
No, that
was good.
Yeah, CJ actually, you know, he was at her
a listener appreciation party, and he wants to be called by his real name instead of CJ.
Oh, he does?
Yeah.
I didn't know that.
Did he ask us to do that?
Yes.
I didn't even know
that.
But I can't remember.
Clarence?
I'm not quite sure, but we might just do that in the afternoon.
All
right.
Let's go to Trace calling from Portage.
Good morning, Trace.
Hey gentlemen, so I could I commute every morning to Sun Prairie to my job So I hear you in the morning.
Yeah, but now I got listen to you two knuckleheads in the afternoon on the way back.
Oh, I know
Do you guys have enough material?
We have so much stuff.
We needed a third hour.
We need two
shows.
Yeah, now we have two shows.
We'll
be just
sitting in in the morning for a couple of days or three days or so.
We don't want to just drop
off.
I'm happy to hear it.
And I can't wait to actually get to all your cuts in the afternoon.
Well, I
appreciate that.
And listen throughout the day here too.
Great stuff.
Thanks, Dres.
We'll get to more information for everybody through the day.
All right.
Catherine always loves it, doesn't she?
Yeah, yeah.
Gee, a promo for CJ from Dick.
Just help me out
here.
Oh, but, you know, this is kind of... By the way, we
want to mention as rockers strolling into the studio.
Good morning, rocker.
Good to see you, man.
Rocker's actually going to be with us this evening as we fill in for Pete Schwabba on Nightlight.
He's going to be doing the bar band update, the Maxing preview, the evening edition, the Friday evening edition.
So you're here in the morning with us, and you're here in the evening with us.
Right, right rock?
Yes.
Yes, sir.
You
have
a
good one without headphones.
Talk about
strong arm and
leverage.
But anyway, we certainly want to continue rocker.
in the afternoon.
Yeah.
That's crazy.
I just heard the announcement just now.
And as I was driving in, it's a congratulations guy.
Well, thank you.
Thanks
man.
And we'll have to pick a different day because, you know, figure it out.
It would be back to back.
It would be, you know, on Friday.
Shraba follows us at five o'clock.
Wow.
Yeah.
And also tonight, we'll be talking with Tom Mannis and Christy Mannis.
They've written a couple of books about Wisconsin roadsides and cool things to visit in Wisconsin, so they join us tonight.
Some of the oddities in Wisconsin
that we know and love so well.
Yeah.
All right,
let's see.
We've got a couple of minutes here.
Well, I
had a great story from Brooke Rollins, the AG secretary, and that just...
is not going to work out.
It's a little too long.
Let's go to Meg and Kelly, though, deciding that Epstein's victims' ages weren't that young.
Get this.
This is cut 94.
This is really something.
Yeah, this is outrageous.
Let's listen.
As for Epstein, I've said this before, which is a reminder, I do know somebody very, very close to this
case
who is in a position to know
virtually everything, not everything, but virtually everything.
And this person has told me from the start years and years ago that Jeffrey Epstein in this person's view was not a pedophile.
This
is this
person's view who was there for a lot of this, but that he was into the barely legal type.
Like he liked 15
year old girls.
And I realize this is disgusting.
I'm definitely not trying to make an excuse for
this.
I'm just giving
facts that he wasn't into like.
eight
year
olds,
but he liked
the very young teen types that could pass for even younger than they were, but would look legal
to a
passerby.
And
that is what I
believed and that is what I reliably was told for many years.
And it wasn't until we heard from Pam Bondi that they had tens of thousands of videos of alleged
Forgive me.
They used to call it kiddie porn now.
They call it child sexual abuse material.
Yeah, but she said on
his
computer.
Yeah, they have they have the videos.
Yeah Can you imagine she's actually trying trying
to
differentiate?
Yeah, the ages.
Oh, yeah
15 and 16.
You know, that's
not
really bad.
They look
much younger, right?
So Wow, just wow nice 29 past the hour.
We'll get what we'll get update from Midwest food and farm report
Pam Yankee and her crew, and then we're back with Rocker in the studio, a maxing preview for a Friday morning.
John and Gordy, stay right here.
Music playing
I got a question, Gordy.
Yeah, go
ahead.
Did you write the lyrics and input those?
Or does AI come up with the lyrics?
No, I came up with the lyrics.
Oh,
that's pretty cool.
Yeah, I like that.
That's a tricky part with AI, just trying to get the lyrics so it sort of rhymes.
Because you don't know what it's going to spit out.
So really, the ratio, I mean, I'll do those.
And then I'll put in the lyrics and everything and put in a few other things.
And then it'll spit out a couple of demos.
Wow, that's pretty cool.
And then so the ratio is what actually, I have to do that about eight or 10 times before I get it to something that really is good.
I mean, listen,
I tried
to do
it.
Gordy is a wizard.
I don't even know how he does it because I did one and it took me hours.
Really?
You have like 30 that you have.
I'll show you a couple of
tricks.
Show me a trick.
I mean, it's a tool.
Right?
You have to learn how to use it.
And it can be pretty handy, you know, as a music person, I look at it and say, ah, is that where music is going?
But as a tool for radio production and stuff, it's actually very handy.
Let's hope it's not
going there.
And I know that a lot of people in radio do not want to have anything to do with AI.
We like to dabble.
We
think it's okay
as long as we have fun with it and don't take it too seriously and just, you know, and create crazy things with it.
That's
all.
Well, you know, here's the reality of the situation, right?
There is one jingle that you guys play that is a local musician, right?
And it's the John and Gordy show.
Yes.
Right?
It's done by
Shawnee,
right?
Oh, yeah, Chandel did that one.
Chandel
marks.
And, you know, so you think about that, that's really cool.
A local musician, did it even?
Excuse me.
And so it's very fun.
But at the same time, there's only one of them.
And if you were like, yeah, you know what, I want to do another jingle.
It's like, boy, it would take a while.
Like by the time you did 10, you guys might be retired.
Well, and
so.
Well, Mike Massey did our intro, you know, and he did that.
You know, more than two years ago.
Yeah.
And he did a great job on that.
And he did a couple other musical things for us.
And, you know, we don't want to stop that either.
I mean, I would love to have more local music on our hair.
Well, we would be asking our friends to do jingles for us for the rest of time.
You know, we don't want to do that.
Right.
I know.
It's a tough question.
So
I
think it's a useful tool.
Yeah.
Well, thank you.
Thank
you.
Well, especially radio jingle, you know, it's kind of a that's a real niche.
I mean, that's it's not like a real song.
You know, it's just a jingle.
And no one knows.
It's just a jingle.
It's just a jingle.
Yeah, it's just kind of an nostalgic thing that we did.
That's all.
Well, let's get into the Maxync Radio preview, man.
And this is real music,
right?
That's right.
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I'm going out.
I'm going to V05 for their 20th extravaganza.
We'll talk about that
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And you can always send us
uh, request or send us your music MP3 format music at civic media.us.
That's music at civic media.us.
So we'll consider your music for on air playback.
Vio five, November 15th.
That's tonight.
7 30.
They're going to start right on time.
It's the 20th anniversary extravaganza
five.
That's tomorrow night.
Uh, tomorrow night.
You're
right.
I'm already thinking.
I'm ready to go.
You're right.
Sorry to correct you, but I just wanted to get that out
there.
I stand corrected on November 15th.
That is Saturday.
And you know what?
They were on our show last week.
You can go listen to the interview and we had VO five in our studio and they told us they're going to be adding a string section.
They're going to be adding, they're going to be bolstering up their horn section.
So it's going to be a large horn section as well.
And over the 20 years, they've had more than 30 people as members of VO5.
And so they've called them all up.
So there's going to be all these kind of guest appearances and appearances from band members that used to be in the band.
And so it is truly an extravaganza.
And there's also going to be a mayoral proclamation.
What?
Yeah, something about VO five day.
Can you believe it?
Right here in Madison.
Wow.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So they're
going to reach those.
I don't know.
We've got a long way to go, I guess.
Well, it's the John and
Gordy day every day
now from two to five PM right here on the MDX
97.
That's right.
Starting Monday,
starting Monday, starting Monday.
So anyway,
Vio five this weekend.
It's my birthday.
Come on out.
It's going to be a super lot of fun.
And we're going to have a good time.
And right now I brought in a piece of this song that they did some years back 2015, I believe it was.
And it's kind of a Wisconsin song.
It's called the Wisconsin rap.
This
is VO5.
Wow!
That
is wild!
Man.
What's
the
name
of
that song?
It's the Wisconsin Rap.
Oh, man.
And it really goes on for a while.
We've got the Meso Beach
in
there.
We're going to have to get the full thing.
There's even an extended version.
And they go through and they have one of those, like the rap, they name like every city in Wisconsin.
It's pretty crazy.
You know, you got to hear the whole thing.
Maybe we'll play it this weekend or not this weekend, maybe next week on a Mexican radio.
So tune in maxing radio Saturday night, six to nine PM.
And we play things like VO5 and also Flannel Fest is coming guys.
Oh, that's
right.
The record company, the mascot theory, Beth Killiband and American Scarecrows.
That's going to be the 21st at the Barrymore Theater right here in Madison.
And then the 22nd they travel up to Appleton, actually, Kimberly at Tanner's Bar and Grill.
It's a benefit for the Wisconsin Warman Cool Fun and the record company.
They're a Grammy nominated blues rock band.
You might have heard of them from Los Angeles.
And you might recognize this song right here.
It's off the ground and went all the way to number one on the Billboard charts playing at Flannel Fest 1121 at the Barrymore Theater.
This is the record company off the
ground.
on the side of
Great stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's pretty cool.
And they're going to be playing with a bunch of local bands, right?
The mascot theory, Beth Killie band and American scarecrows.
Actually, they're regional.
They're from Minneapolis.
Great band.
And Flannel Fest has been going on for quite a long time.
This
is the 11th year,
I believe.
Yeah.
So and raising money for that Wisconsin warm and cool fund so far over a
hundred and seventy thousand dollars that they've
That's amazing, right?
So
they just keep going.
It's a great fun So right now we got to start keeping them warm, right?
Right.
That's this time of year.
We're gonna move on to BAM I told you about BAM because they just played on maxing radio last week
live in the Mad City right here.
We had their full band.
It was a drum set right outside the window here, guys.
And then keyboards, guitar player, bass player, they were totally amazing.
They are going to be playing Friday, November 21st, 8 p.m.
at the Harmony Bar with the Jeremiah Jams Band.
And then there'll be January 8th at the Bur Oak at 8 p.m.
We just heard, I thought, an amazing performance.
We recorded it.
So now we're going to take a listen.
This is BAM.
Mountain.
Live from
Manson.
Those are my kind of lyrics.
I I really never hear or know of the lyrics.
So that that works for me.
You
know, oh, great.
It felt like it felt like having the almond brothers in the studio.
You know, that's that's what
I
wanted me
to feel.
Yeah, they were
great.
Yeah,
really
good, man.
Excellent.
How
much time we got?
I think we got time for one or two
minutes.
Well, you know what a double dip is, guys?
Sure.
A double dip is when maxing radio plays two tunes in a row.
Oh, that can sometimes
by the same artist.
Sometimes it's like kind of conceptual.
Well, we're going to do a double dip right now.
Jeremiah Jamsman.
They are from Green Bay and they're going to be playing Friday, November 21st with BAM, who we just heard 8 p.m.
at the Harmony Bar.
Jeremiah Jamsman.
It was constant based psychedelic and jam rock band led by the husband and wife duo of Jeremiah and Emily Jams.
And they are really a great.
They're gonna be with BAM Friday, November 21st at the Harmony Bar.
Right now, let's check out one of their songs.
This is called Moonlight Star.
All right.
Right back with Rocker with more the MaxSync preview after this on Johnny Gordy WMDX.
WMDX 92.7 it's John and Gordy in the morning and want to say thank you for all the comments from Skies the limit on YouTube had a few things to say and and We appreciate your commentary there as well about the show in the afternoon and the morning show as well.
So appreciate that a lot.
Yep
and be listening throughout the day for some more announcements.
And also, we're going to be on Pete Schwabba's show.
We're filling in again tonight with our guests, Tom and Christy Manus and Rocker.
Yeah.
Coming back
tonight.
Oh, back on Pete Schwabba's show.
That's always fun.
It's a lot of fun.
It
is.
Well, it is, but we'll be filling in.
Right.
Which will make it more
fun.
Yeah, sure.
There you go.
Uh, okay.
Well, what, what else
do we have?
We're going,
we're going into, uh, the rockers closet
rockers closet.
So maxing radio six to nine p.m.
Saturday nights.
And when you come in and check out maxing radio, sometimes I'll pull stuff out of my closet.
Right.
Yeah.
I mean, if you think of, you know, the radio, a lot of radio.
lives on forever, right?
Led Zeppelin, you hear him every day when you turn on the radio.
But sometimes your favorite band breaks up.
And what happens then?
Well, they go into Rocker's closet and we pull it out.
It's a
big closet.
That's right.
So I went into the closet this week and I found a Milwaukee artist, Sigmund Snowpeck III.
You might remember him.
He's been around for a long, long time through the 70s and 80s in Milwaukee area.
This album was co-produced or this song, I should say, was co-produced.
by Victor Di Lorenzo of the Violent Femmes.
Also, Brian Richie, bassist and co-founder of the Violent Femmes, he is guesting on banjo, bass guitar, and mandolin.
This is from the Wisconsin Sane 1987 album.
This is, thank God, this is in Cleveland.
Of course, he's talking about Milwaukee.
You know, some people think they got a lot to complain about when they get a flat tire on 3.5 national.
Or they get lost in the industrial valley on the way home from
the first
game.
Been there.
Been there.
Not me.
See, I know better.
Cause I've been all over the whole world.
I've traveled far
and wide.
But it's always great to get back home to the land of a thousand bars.
And some people bitch about Milwaukee, but me I don't really care.
I love the perspective.
That's
hilarious.
I
don't like it.
Oh, I want to say there was somebody in Milwaukee who put on their roof, Cleveland, you know, so when you fly in on the plane in Milwaukee, Cleveland.
What?
Oh, what?
Yeah, right.
I think that was in response to a city's no big song.
Thank God this isn't Cleveland.
And that was really fun.
That was 87.
That that came out and it was it was kind of fun.
It got some good radio play.
I mean people love listening to you can go find it YouTube Spotify.
It's all over there Sigmund snowpeck the third
mm-hmm.
Okay
All right.
Well, let's get to, you know, I was talking about this guy a couple of weeks ago, Jeff Burkhardt.
He's with Dan McGuire.
That's going to be Friday, December 5th.
At the Cargo Coffee East, Jeff Burkhardt, of course, a songwriter and performer who's been on PBS Wisconsin.
He's from Indiana, came to Madison for UW, worked here for many years with key nonprofits and now consoles, councils, nonprofits and rights to music.
And he's pushing this song he wrote in responses to today's political climate.
This is We Gotta Fight, live from the Man City on Max Inc Radio.
This is Jeff
Burkhart.
Delusion elections are fascist, have their vengeance There's
only a
remnant of honor
and
truth What else can we do?
We gotta fight for the right to fight tonight We gotta fight for the right to fight tomorrow Yeah, we gotta fight
for the right to fight tonight.
We gotta fight for the right to fight
tomorrow.
Great song.
There you go.
It reminds me of the 60s and the 60s where musicians were really writing a lot about politics and about the current events that were happening at the time.
And sometimes in music today, I think.
you know, everybody's kind of out doing their own thing.
They're not necessarily always thinking about politics.
So when I see a band bringing in a little bit of politics, writing a good song about current issues, I'd like to see a little more of that.
So that's why I kind of brought that up again.
You can go see him coming up.
Oh, Jeff Burkhart and Dan McGuire Friday, December 5th.
Cargo coffee East.
He sings a lot of songs, includes some politics.
There's a great interview on Maxing radio.
So if you go up to civicmedia.us slash Maxing radio or Apple Spotify, you can find our podcast and you will hear.
Us talking to Jeff Burke Jeff Berger, right and him performing a few songs
and for this weekend tomorrow night You're
tomorrow night off.
I'm off.
It's your birthday.
I'm a view five.
Yeah, man.
I'm gonna be hanging out We're gonna be dancing up a storm Ian Alice will be attending and it's gonna be a great show daughter Lucy's coming along so family fair We're gonna have a lot of time and we spent so much time Hanging out with VO five for Atwood Fest.
It's gonna be a lot of fun now to go see them and
and not have anything to do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they're celebrating what there
was 20, 20 years, right?
20 years together.
That's
amazing.
Yeah.
Totally.
Rocker, always good to see you.
Thanks guys.
Appreciate it.
Have a good weekend.
That's going to do it for us for today, but we're back tonight, filling in for Pete Schwabba.
Tune in.
And then back on Monday morning as well as Monday afternoon.
Yes.
Our new time slot
from two to five.
That's it for us.
Stephanie Miller is next.
We hope you have a great day.
Stay tuned so
long.
with John and Gordy in the morning show on WMDX 92.7.
It
is 7.35.
It is a cold start this morning and high around 33 degrees.
Okay.
And it's time for us to welcome in Mary Walden to our show.
Good morning, Mary.
Good morning everybody.
I don't know that you
get to call her
Mary.
You might have to call her Dr.
Walden.
Dr.
Walden?
Dr. Walden to you.
No, Mary.
Let's argue about that a while.
Thanks
John.
May I take a moment
to talk
about Mary?
Can I just introduce you
correctly?
Introduce us.
You know, here's the deal.
I
met Mary, my first person, my first real human.
to meet in Madison, Wisconsin when I moved here back in the 90s.
Long time ago.
Yeah.
The first real person.
We worked together briefly with the Wisconsin Youth Symphony Orchestra.
The day I started, she said, oh, I'm so glad you're here.
I quit.
Because you showed up?
Yeah, because I showed up.
No, you're awesome.
And I'm gone.
I'm out.
Yeah, we became friends after that and never stopped and she has I've watched Mary go from a married person not going to have kids and you know going back to school thinking about going to get her masters and then suddenly I think in that order then decided okay we'll have a couple kids then we'll go back for the masters and then went for the doctorate and those two boys by the way yeah when you think about how how
There was an article I sent it to Mary as a matter of fact in the New York Times about how young men in a large way Helped elect Donald Trump.
There's something going wrong.
Yeah, some of the young men boys
not her
boys not your boys, right?
Not your son Mary, but some are Mary you you and I are Are they Gen Z ears
you and I are
We have our boys to take care of in there mine are like 23 and 26
So
she's done a different thing than you.
Yeah,
she launched her boys.
She launched them.
She wanted them to do and they did.
Oh,
what
they both have doctorates as well.
Wow.
That's what I'm saying.
Well, I'm working on that in.
Okay.
But I mean, let's let Mary let
Mary Mary.
It's good to have you with us.
Well, thank
you.
Thank
you very much.
So I'm assuming they're politically left or progressive or pro democracy.
Yes.
Oh, yes.
Yes.
Yes.
I have one who lives in New York and he voted for the current mayor.
Yeah.
And I have another one who's a professor in
South Carolina and yeah so yeah we're a leftist crew for sure and you know psychology and you know all the things that we've talked about Catherine over the years sort of transcend politics right we talk about humanness and all the things that you know
connect us rather than divide us.
Anyway, like, you know, Tony Gold being caught.
Tony Gold
was
just the discussion during the farm report.
He's in Pete's movie.
He's mistaken as the godfather of Green Bay.
Yes.
Yes.
And he does the macaroni.
He's the guy who does the macaroni in the movie.
Yeah, so you guys think he's hot, huh?
Well, I told you there's a hot guy in the Sandman.
Mary, he has ADHD.
You can't have other topics in front of John Peterson.
He will bite on
them and then run away with them like a dog with a bone.
Mary, I'm looking at your, I'm looking at your website, which is marywalden.com.
And it talks about some of your hobbies and outside the office interests, including leading guided meditations on the Insight Timer app.
And I want you
to talk a little
bit about
that.
But you also, you do media appearances on radio and TV to help support mental health and resilience and advocacy for women and girls.
Can you talk a little bit about your background in that area?
Oh, yes, absolutely.
So I became a therapist in
Well, technically you start in social work, you start your classes one day and the next day you are in your internship.
And so back in the day, I started working with young girls, mostly 14 to 17 year old girls in a type of therapy called dialectical behavior therapy led many groups in that modality and also individual work.
And generally the
Young women who were referred to dialectical behavior therapy are young women with chronic suicidality and self-harm behaviors.
So I did that for about 15-ish years.
And then largely started focusing on my private practice.
I've had the great fortune of following some of those young women into their 30s.
And I just feel so fortunate to be a part of their lives in a meaningful way.
Yeah, in terms of mindfulness, mindfulness is a core construct of dialectical behavior therapy.
And I've just always enjoyed the recentering of mindfulness.
And so got hooked up a long time ago on insight timer, which is a fantastic mechanism for doing mindfulness.
And mindfulness, boy, I hadn't heard about that a lot lately.
one that
when I
had my nine-year-old a cell phone, a smartphone, I think mindfulness went out the door with her when she took a walk during the pandemic.
Yes.
Yes.
Well, you know, mindfulness is the ever elusive present focus, right?
And we have so many things going to
with technology and things like that, that are pulling in our attention.
And I know one of the things that we were talking about, Katherine, that New Yorker article about men.
and kind of all the different contributions of what makes people feel disenchanted and disenfranchised in 2025.
And a lot of that does have to do with technology and the impact of technology on one's attention span and being able to be in this moment and not be soothed by picking up the phone.
I mean literally
picking it up.
I mean how many times a day?
It's hundreds
hundreds and
you can't resist that isn't that just simply called addiction?
Well, I definitely yeah those things are definitely on the same continuum when you're looking to soothe yourself from some kind of rise whatever that is and
Hearing that language, though, may even be very distant for folks because of the lack of mindfulness.
Mindfulness tunes you into that rise within yourself to be able to notice that you're feeling unsettled, that you're feeling anxious, that you're feeling somehow dysregulated, and then reaching for whatever that thing is in an effort to settle it.
Yeah, a drink,
a phone, yeah.
There you go.
That's right.
That's right.
Fascinating.
And the phone is just the easiest thing, right?
It's right there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, you
know, are you guys still here?
No,
I
had to
play
him on the
app right now.
I'm just, you know, and I was not familiar with the word dialectical.
So I had to look that up.
So you want to explain how, how.
dialogue,
you do that in your practice.
I mean, it's just basically having a dialogue, but a reasonable dialogue, a reasonable argument about things and coming to some kind of conclusion of truth.
Yes.
So
so yes, dialectics are oftentimes expressed through dialogue, you know, that root word going back to our Latin roots of the dia being to or
Something like that.
The dialectical piece, though, is really about two opposite truths living in tension with one another.
So two opposite truths living in tension with one another.
So two things being true at the very same time.
For example, noticing that I have the urge
To pick up my phone is sticking with that example and I've decided I don't want to pick up my phone
I've made that my goal.
So those two things are in tension with one another.
So we give into we give into picking up her phone.
But we do.
Yeah.
Oftentimes and but we but there's this this thing in dialectical behavior therapy and in other modalities called urge surfing.
So noticing the urge that rises up within you to reach for the phone sitting with that.
letting it rise and swell and then taper off and then checking in with yourself again.
Hey, do I really want to reach for that phone or is the goal that I've made for myself to alter my behavior?
Is that have I allowed that urge to rise and fall and now the desire to meet my goal is higher than the urge to reach for the phone?
Whoa,
make sense, right?
Wow, work, herb surfing.
There you go.
Boom.
I love the word.
That's great stuff.
Great rock banding.
Talking with Dr. Mary Walton.
Yeah, my
old friend, Mary, I just wanted her to come in here and talk to you guys because I
think we need it.
Because we need it.
Because we need therapy.
Yes.
But
also everybody needs to check in with themselves and.
My goodness, especially during these trying times, I mean, your business must be booming.
Yeah,
definitely.
That is definitely true during these trying times.
And I will also say just foundationally that so much of what we're doing now is engaging remotely engaging, you know, through technology.
And we've lost so much relational connection.
We've lost so much community and the ability to identify each other as fellow humans on the journey and You know, there's a lot of isolation.
There's a lot of separateness and Yeah,
that's so
that's a pathway forward.
That's a helpless feeling that you get although I think the no Kings rallies brought a lot of people together, you know, where they they found out
that a lot of people that feel exactly like them and all those handmade signs said a lot of what we were thinking.
So, yeah, it was kind of a nice coming together, actually, kind of a wood stock for the nation.
Wood stock?
I agree with that.
For the nation
in a time
of need.
Yes.
Yes.
I mean, there is a lot of, you know, we can say this and, you know, we're older than a certain age, all of us here in this little chat, right?
It's never dominant.
Never
dominant.
But we remember that, you know, the older you get, the more that you do know that we're all in the human condition together.
And then there's, again, more that connects us than divides us.
And yet that principle can really be gone.
And then to show up at a rally and see so many people.
That are thinking and feeling the same way you do is really Truly a mind-blowing event if you've never connected in that way.
Yeah to realize that hey, I'm not alone and Other people are having that same experience.
I dragged my kid to the no Kings reality.
I think I think she enjoyed
it.
No, you have to do that Yeah, we've dragged our kids to the act 10 protests around the Capitol in 2011.
It was just eye-opening experience for them
that idea
dragging your kids making your kids give them an instrument make them do that blah blah blah that kind of stuff I'm failing
they got into that I'm failing I am not
I'm not dragging my kid enough and yeah you need to drag more
I've got a few more questions for you Mary oh my gosh Dr. Mary Walden stay with us we'll come back with her in just a moment John and Gordy WMDX
WMDX
92.7, John and Gordy cryin' Mary is our
guest.
752 partly cloudy here in Madison downtown State streets seeing a little bit of sunshine trying to peek through right now 22 degrees highs in the mid 30s today back with dr. Mary Walden for a few more minutes here and Questions for Mary
dr. Mary Walden a doctor of clinical social work
which means she is a psychological genius.
And I
was thinking about, I have to be honest, I was thinking about, I actually have five episodes of a podcast recorded with Mary that I'm not going to put on the air because I'm on the air too much as it is already.
And I just think you guys are in need of
psychological
counseling.
Yes.
And your
listeners deserve it.
because you're crazy and you're giving them kind of crazy stuff.
But no, I think I think it's, I think it's something you guys could benefit from.
Okay.
Well,
you
know, we all need to talk.
Yeah.
That's right.
We all need to talk.
Right.
Yeah.
And he heard.
Yeah.
Just aside from all of that for a moment here.
You got like a foot of snow last night, right?
Yeah, we sure
did.
What's the town
here?
It's very
fluffy and it's very deep.
It's very deep.
Yes.
And that's your south of Milwaukee, I believe.
Yes.
She got the lake effect.
Lake effect.
That's right.
Getting Chicago too.
South of Kenosha.
Did
Milwaukee get a flight snow?
Sorry.
Usually it does get...
Pretty much the same, like a fact, you know, the system had moved in that direction.
I think it was on the edge of Milwaukee in South of Milwaukee.
Mr. Weatherman over down to Chicago.
You don't know this Mary, but he's a former weatherman who's going to keep bringing it up over and over.
I love to talk about it.
Yeah, I need some
therapy
about
that.
The
weather
is very grounding.
It's very grounding.
You know, it's interesting because it does.
it does have a direct connection to people's moods.
You know,
if it's
cold and dreary and rainy and foggy outside, you get a mood.
But you got a white blanket out there and you're thinking, oh boy, I can just sit in the house now and my warm home and relax and know that I have to snow shovel and snow blow the driveway.
And yes, all that relaxing stuff that you think about when you have snow cover.
So
Mary, if there are some lists
out there that want to find out more about what you do you you offer some guided meditations you do you have clients I assume
yes I do
okay
yes I do so on insight timer you can find me you can search Mary Walden and also on insight timer
For fellow therapists, I've done some work sheets and some supportive materials for other therapists that you can access on Insight Timer as well.
Mostly organized around dialectical behavior therapy and also guided meditations that therapists can refer their patients to.
So yeah, I love working on Insight Timer.
It's a great app.
And it's free if you want.
it to be.
You can, of course, pay for the Rolls-Royce version or whatever, but you can also get access to tons of material, not just my
guided meditations, but literally thousands, thousands of others.
So it's really a great resource to help regulate you on these rough days.
You have an excellent website here too.
We've been checking out this morning, Mary Walden dot com.
She probably
did it
herself.
Well, she was into tech.
She did.
Of course
she did.
She was a teacher.
She's done everything.
I've been watching this woman.
I wasn't going to dispute that.
I'm just
I just want to ask a question that all of us everybody who listens to WMDX is probably feeling a little lost and a little frustrated watching this administration, you know, go back and forth and not have any plans and shoot from the hip and it creates an unsettled mood in everybody.
So is there a way?
that we can kind of deal with this without confronting the individuals that are in opposition to being pro-democracy.
Yeah, well, you know, I think that the old adage all politics is local comes to mind with regard to service and connecting to the people around you.
And I think really that is the way forward.
I mean, first of all, I do think we saw a good trend last week in Virginia and New Jersey
and New
York, right?
And so that's sort of hopeful.
And
You know, right here at home, we can start locally, making sure that people are fed.
You know, the SNAP benefits are cut.
I saw that Trump is disallowing states for intervening in
filling
up the gap, which I don't really understand.
But at the end of the day, I think there are a lot of things that we don't understand with what's happening.
And in my mind, service is the only way forward.
that you take care of each other, you take care of your neighbor.
If you have the bandwidth and you have the energy and the resources run for office, whether that's your local school board or, you know, wherever, that that's taking action can help people feel a lot better.
Yeah.
All right.
Mary, it's been great to have you with us and we'd like you to join us again sometime.
Okay.
Well, thanks.
Great to chat with you guys.
And again, you can find out more about Mary Walden at her website, marywalden.com.
And we also want to thank Pete Schwabber for joining us.
If you want to find out more about the Godfather of Green Bay coming to the Atwood Music Hall, just go to wmdxradio.com.
We're going to have some information up there shortly.
If we
can have it up there already.
All right, great.
And coming up, we're going to be heading over to the Pat Crichtlow show.
If you want to continue with John and Gordy, you can go there.
Otherwise, Stephanie Miller is next here tomorrow on our show.
We'll talk to Lisa Bernard from the Dane County Humane Society.
Hope we all have a great day.
Catherine, thanks for joining us.
Thanks for having my friend Mary.
Yes, Mary, thank you.
Have a great day.
So
long.
WMDX 92.7 is John and Gordy in the morning down at the controls and you know we've been talking about the Democrats giving in here and it's just a temporary thing actually that we're going to be doing this all over again very very soon about six weeks and we've got you know we've got a few responses here the ACA premiums go up and the Dems will be blamed for caving.
And that is from carry out in Tosa a total knowing situation for the Dems and they were played GOP will not keep their promises Anyway, and we know that right so that that's the problem there and then of course You know Trump was talking about how dumb American workers are you don't just hire him out of an unemployment line
I thought that's why we have unemployment lines is the higher people anyway.
Uh, he writes that the people from South Korea were here at that battery plant.
They were here legally and they were bounced out.
They were kicked out and South Korea is not real happy about that.
And, uh, yes, they were going to help train some of those individuals, but it's not like a class showing them how to make batteries.
Uh,
You know, a lot of misunderstandings here.
But anyway, let's get to our guest, Jim Santel, Amicus Law Review.
You can hear his program on Saturdays between nine and 11 o'clock.
We have so much to talk about and get to in regards to the law and the legal system that we used to have in this, in this country.
Good morning, Jim.
Right, Jim?
Good.
I'm bad happy note.
Good morning.
Good morning to you.
We're all kind of surprised at Kataji Brown Jackson's decision last week about the food stamp program.
So could you fill us in on the details of what she was trying to get to on this?
All right, so this comes out of the Firth Circuit, including Rhode Island.
And that's where this district court judge, his name is John McConnell, had issued this order.
saying, President Trump, you need to fund this app.
You need to go into the reserve and get the monies in place, do it right now.
The First Circuit Court of Appeals, which is the court just above Judge McConnell, tinkered with a little bit, did not have a time, basically handled it briefly.
And then the administration immediately went to the Supreme Court.
This is all happening within hours on Friday.
And he gets assigned to Katanji Brown Jackson.
Why?
Because she is the justice, was assigned responsibility.
for emergency applications coming out of that particular circuit.
Our circuit here in the 7th Circuit, ours is Amy Coney Barrett.
So what Kedanji Brown Jackson does, which, again, I think surprised a lot of people on the surface, but it was actually masterful.
She says, you know what I'm going to do?
I'm going to stay this right now, as it's before the Supreme Court.
I'm going to prevent anything from going forward for what purpose so that we can have the Court of Appeals, the lower courts.
look at this and make a decision, right?
And so she it's an affirmation of the process.
It's telling the administration, you know, we can't just be emergency applications for everything.
And she also buys some time, but she also speeds things up.
And she also keeps it away, at least on Friday and somewhat over the weekend, from the larger majority on the Supreme Court, that would have simply granted the stay and be done with it.
It is still a mess, but it's a procedural
Vagary, if you will, regrettably in the time of Trump and all this, we need to understand that, to understand that Kenanji Brown Jackson was doing something to preserve the interest of those 42 million people.
It doesn't work in the end just because the timing on all this, and even to this morning, as the government is about to go back into effect, probably all of this mooted, but the administration back to the Supreme Court again, just in the past couple of days, it will probably all go away because we now presumably have funding for SNAP.
But it's important to recognize what Cadence Brown Jackson did and what she did not do, which was not a band in this cause.
Well, you know, Republicans, the Megas will, you know, say that it wasn't their fault with holding snap.
It was the Democrats fault.
And yet all the all the time, Trump was fighting the snap program and funding it.
I think that kind of makes it pretty obvious that who's to blame for that.
Right
right and and to that great point John though one of the interesting things again You have to keep this up to date and this hour by hour But even as Katanji Brown Jackson is sending this back it's coming back and it's clear now by again as you were just indicating your private private segments that yes the government's going to reopen and the Democrats have conceded this and we're going to get funding here even while that's going on this administration is still fine filing pleadings this lists our general
with the Supreme Court saying, don't fund SNAP.
Do not do this.
And again, in fairness also saying, well, maybe it's all going to go away with the new funding here.
But it's going to happen.
And they're still taking the position as ours tick by.
No, do not go into this reserve.
Do not provide health food.
on the tables of americans a stunning reflection of what this administration's position
is it really is uh... and in talking about the supreme court here they made a decision they had a little conference could you explain what happened uh... during
this again they have it what are called decision conferences they had one on friday of last week unfortunately john gordy and uh...
Adam, they do not invite us to be a part of that.
They
should,
but they don't.
They don't return phone calls, right?
Yeah.
So this is a private conference.
And I think they did a couple of we know about two things that they did very importantly.
One is they said no to Kim Davis.
So we're not going to be revisiting a same sex marriage and Obergefell basically turned down her appeal.
She was the clerk who refused to grant licenses many years ago.
So same sex marriage privacy rights.
That remains in place.
Supreme Court says no on that.
that's public.
They also, however, grant a certiorari, they decide to hear a case involving the mail-in ballots.
This one is in Mississippi that has a law that basically says, even after election day itself, for five days after election day, if the ballot is postmarked by election day, we count it.
Basically, the mail's a little slow getting there.
We're still going to count your votes.
There's a challenge to that.
And the Supreme Court said, yeah, let's hear that.
And again, it's an indication that when it comes to voting, you may get in another case.
We've got the larger voting rights act case we talked about.
Another case is one coming out of Mississippi on whether or not the votes of every American, including those in Mississippi, should be counted if they happen to arrive after midnight on election day.
That's a big deal.
And the other one that, again, this is purely speculation, but hey,
We do that a lot in America these days.
We do.
That's what we do on this
program.
We talked last week about, and we're just in the afternoon after this major oral argument on tariffs, indicating that probably we've got a majority on the Supreme Court that are going to strike down the administration's tariffs, at least the way that they're doing it.
They go into conference on Friday.
Again, this is just speculation.
What they normally do is after oral arguments, they would take an initial vote.
on how those cases are going to go.
And then the Chief Justice or the Majority Justice would assign the case to someone to write up.
My guess is that given the decisiveness of this, they may well have voted on Tariff's last Friday.
And again, given the decisiveness of the oral argument, maybe it's been assigned, maybe it's being written even as we speak.
And it may indicate that sometime sooner rather than later, we're going to get that decision.
Again, speculation
based upon what they normally do at these conferences, it appeared that the vote that they would have taken if they did that would have said, Mr. President, you're out of luck.
You're not doing this properly.
And so it may have been a huge private day in American history last Friday, maybe written about down the road.
We'll see the results sometime soon.
But tariffs may have already been decided by the Supreme Court just waiting to issue their decision once the large opinion and maybe the dissents are written.
Yeah, I know that Trump can do other things other than tariffs there are penalties and punishments right for and for protecting some of the issues or some of the products that we have in this country aluminum wood You know in dairy things like that.
We can punish other countries for trying to flood our market with their products
Right.
All kinds of things that are available to him.
And as we talked last week, it came up during the oral argument.
There are other options that he has, if he wants to do it.
They're not quite as broad as his invocation of this law is.
And they're more limited in time and scope.
And
frankly, if you really want to do this, Mr. President, let's go back to the eighth grade when we used to learn about civics and just say, you know what?
I would like to engage the, let's all say it together, the Congress, gosh, there's an idea, right?
The Congress in establishing tariffs.
They're the ones who can do it, get some legislation, put that in place, and accomplish it that way.
Then you've got carte blanche.
Congress wants to do anything with respect to tariffs, taxes, excises.
Go ahead and do that.
That's what the Constitution says, do it the right way.
Again, if you don't do it under this IEPA, you do have some other limited opportunities, which again remain even after the Supreme Court decision, whatever it decides.
Well, it's crazy, you know, these tariffs.
We were talking about it the other day where, you know, the next president isn't going to have a handle on anything that he negotiated behind the scenes.
We won't know what to do.
You know, that individual won't have any kind of written down guidance in regards to what we've agreed to with all these different countries.
It's it's insane.
This guy is micromanaging to a point where no one apprentices will never know what to do next.
Right.
What is the inventory?
What is our range with all countries with Canada individually?
Again with China, all those kinds of things.
And here's the other one that I think about even now.
We've got the tea leaves anyway of last Wednesday indicating that maybe this is all going to be found unconstitutional, at least in this way.
Suppose you're the finance minister of one of these countries who suffered these tariffs, and you are now negotiating with the leader of a nation where you know it's highly likely that the highest court in the nation is going to be invalidating the very thing you're doing right now.
What do you do as a foreign minister, a finance minister, a treasury minister?
you continue to negotiate, you continue to say, yes, Mr. President, we'll follow this, we'll put this together, or do you say, I'm going to look at my watch and see how soon it is before the Supreme Court tells us that all of this is unconstitutional and somehow has to be remedied.
The entire situation is untenable in every respect, regardless of whether you like tariffs or not.
It is a complete economic mess and legal mess as well.
Talking to U.S.
Attorney, former U.S.
Attorney Jim Santel, host of Amicus Law Review.
Jim,
we're looking at some of the other cases here.
Well, before we get to the other cases, I mean, we're looking, we're looking at tariffs and these countries are also being forced to invest in the U.S.
as well.
Right.
And so, you know, now everything is on hold or has to be on hold.
We don't even know what would happen.
I told Gorda this a long time ago that they can promise that they're going to invest in it and they just wait for.
the next president to come in and never fulfill those promises at
all, right?
Absolutely, right.
There appear to be a lot of promises being made about things that are going to happen in the future, right?
In America, we're doing that in Capitol Hill as well.
Don't worry, we'll take care of it down the road.
It also underscores this problem, which we talked about in many other settings, which is just generally, even if let's assume positively that there's a president, not Donald Trump after his second term here,
If you're again a foreign country and you're saying, gosh, these are people, these are 343 million Americans who elected Donald Trump once had a really bad experience, threw him out of the White House, elected him again.
And what are the chances that we can rely upon our former partners, again, Republicans and Democrats alike in the past, where we could at least rely somewhat on the consistency of major issues here.
Once again, you're that foreign minister.
Gosh, am I going to throw my lot into this, the greatest nation on the face of the planet, richest nation?
that is all over the map and could reelect another Donald Trump in a few years.
What is the incentive for consistency in all sorts of things?
That's the larger problem, which everyone talks about.
We'll get to Gordy's question.
We ought to get to a few other items that you have passed along to us.
We'll be back with Jim Santel, former U.S.
Attorney on John and Gordy, WMDX, right after this.
WMDX 92.7 John and Gordy in the morning Dom is at the controls playing the music and I just got a text here from Doug on the south side of Milwaukee Yeah, and he said how will WMDX pay you guys now that Trump has discontinued pennies?
Something to ponder.
Well, you know, I
was thinking about that myself.
Damn.
Take that up.
The thing is, you know, pennies are like made up of zinc more than copper.
Yeah.
They've copper plated zinc.
Is that crazy?
All right, anyway, our special guest, of course, is Jim Santel, Amicus, the Law Review, Saturday, 9 to 11 o'clock.
Check that program out.
We've got a few more questions to ask, and let's talk about the dreadlock
issue.
What is this dreadlock case all about?
Remember that all of these cases revolve around things that happen to individual people or companies, corporations.
This fellow is named Damon Landor.
He's a Rastafarian and he grows his dreadlocks out for literally a couple of decades or down to his knees almost.
He is incarcerated in Louisiana.
And when he is transferred from one site to another, he actually has a piece of paper with him and he hands it to the prison guards and says, this is proof of my religious accommodations that you've got to provide.
And this court decision from way back in 2017 says, do not cut his hair.
This is a part of his religious liberty as even as a prisoner.
And they obviously
Prisoners have rights too, right?
We need to reaffirm that on a regular basis.
Well, in Louisiana, they say, what?
No.
They hold him down.
They shave all of his locks off.
And he files a lawsuit.
And he files a lawsuit under a particular statute.
And there are a couple of them out there that talk about these kinds of things.
And the question is whether or not the statute under which he brought his lawsuit provides him with relief.
And the two things happen, the Supreme Court oral argument on Monday.
One is everybody expresses outrage that this happens, horrified by the notion that anybody would do this to him and condemns the corrections officers for doing it.
But along the way, they also look at the statute itself.
And again, at least the conservatives look at this and say that there was a lack of notice, get this, to the states that their employees could be on the hook.
to pay for violations of federal religious protections because there's no notice on this.
Probably Mr. Landor is going to be told you do not have the right to sue under this.
Needless to say the three so-called liberals have a very different view of this and say no.
If you're violating the constitutional law, you're violating frankly the first amendment, freedom of religion, you can recover.
It's a statutory argument.
It's a constitutional argument.
And it looks as if the Supreme Court at some point is going to tell Mr. Landor, who's now begun to regrow his locks.
He was photographed outside the Supreme Court.
They're now down to his shoulders again.
He has been released since that time, but they're probably going to tell him you're out of luck.
Sorry, can't file a lawsuit under this particular statute.
Wow.
Okay.
What?
That sounds like a bad outcome.
disappointing yeah especially in a time when we have we have no bad outcomes in America right yes I know we
don't we don't like bad
news
every once in a while now here's another case Jim that you know maybe not a super big headline but Trump is asking the Supreme Court to overturn the Eugene Carroll verdict
I thought this
was all decided
months ago, years, couple of years ago,
years ago, right?
Didn't we all think that, right?
But apparently we're wrong.
And again, this is E. Jean Carroll.
She is the journalist she's written.
books and columns, that kind of thing.
You may recall, well, she alleges way back in the mid 1990s, Donald Trump raped her when she was at the Bergdorf Goodman store in Manhattan.
And again, what happens is that he that she writes about this, he defames her while he's in the White House.
His first term.
Yeah, she's not my type offensive things like that, says this never happened.
So she buys a lawsuit and comes in and out of this, the federal courts are actually a couple of different
jury verdicts.
This is a $5 million jury verdict.
This one is also has been upheld by the Court of Appeals.
Again, to your good point, Gordy, we thought this was all done.
And the point was just okay, Donald Trump, now you got to pay off on these judgments, millions of dollars for Eugene Carroll.
But what does he do?
He says, I'm going to seek review by my, my justices, the ones that he put on these three of them.
And so he's filed a petition for review.
They should not take this.
There's nothing major in this case.
Aside from the fact it involves our president, it's publicly notorious and horrific.
But there's nothing legally that needs to be resolved here.
They should simply say, no, Mr. President, we're not taking this case.
It should go away.
And the lower court decisions against Donald Trump, civil judgments,
millions of dollars for defaming her should stay in place.
You know, there was a time when the Republicans were against taking everything to court.
They accused the Democrats of doing that and not using the the legislative system of government instead going to courts and having them make the decisions and they always complained about it I have a feeling that this administration more than anything since 2016 has weaponized the courts because for whatever reason and we know that Trump hasn't always been rich He's got the money to go to court and just string these things out and I think that's what the
the case here that we're talking about, Eugene Carroll's case is all about just string this thing out and see what happens.
He's got the money to do it.
And as we talked before, the emergency docket is just a variation on that, right?
Robbing the lower courts of their capacity to resolve cases, entered judgments.
Let's run to the court and see if they will kind of overturn, stop these things from happening.
20, 23 cases like that as well.
The shadow docket, which we talked
about.
Jim, we have to leave it there.
Thanks for joining us.
You can listen to Jim Santel Saturday mornings, nine to 11 on Civic Media Radio Network right here on WMDX.
Always a pleasure to have you in, Jim.
Thank you.
Gentlemen, have a good Thursday.
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