
First of all, you guys put on a good show and I think that goes without saying.
I
love your show.
I listen all the time.
You have a pretty fun show.
I listen to it most of the time, you know.
Keep up the good work.
No, it's disgusting.
It's a
Really good.
Good morning, John and Gordy.
Good morning, John and Gordy.
Good morning, John and Gordy.
I hope people start calling it.
I hope it's your phone number at home.
Please, no.
No, I have one thing that's serious to talk about.
You remember, of course, December's abundant life shooting, and there is still one child in hospital.
If you can believe it, he was shot multiple times.
His name is Samuel Gardunio Martinez.
Garduno Martinez, and he was shot multiple times.
He's still at American Family Children's Hospital.
They have a GoFundMe going.
So look for that if you could.
Sammy, S-A-M-Y, Garduno Martinez here in Madison, still in hospital and looking for a little help with a GoFundMe.
All right, and you know, there's a lot of talk and a lot of praise for the administration negotiating a deal with Hamas and Israel helping that negotiation along and there is a peace deal or release of prisoners all of that But I got to tell you I Don't know it infuriates me.
I mean we have let this go on for so damn long two years
Right three.
It's it's it's just out the Gaza is is flattened.
Yeah People are starving to death They're being shot for trying to get food and we're sitting here celebrating this something that took way too long to happen.
Yeah, and it was it was a Number of people who were involved
It's their fault, and it took too long, and it's frustrating for me to watch this celebration, even though it is a great time to celebrate that.
It's frustrating because it took so long, and it's so many people, and they're still suffering.
Beside the point, you know, I have these discussions with my kids at home all the time, you know, they're Gen Zers and they're just you know besides themselves They really can't understand the political process that's involved
in this the history No,
I like they have a fresh look at this and they're driven.
And I like that energy.
That's fantastic.
What energy they have.
I'm just looking at a really dumb, there is a right wing poster on X rapid response 47 and they posted a video of one of the people at this big meeting yesterday about taking down the left wing network that
None of us have ever heard of, you know, isn't it strange?
I would join it, maybe.
I'd like to be asked.
You know, all of a sudden...
And I asked my mega friend this yesterday.
I said, isn't it strange after eight months, suddenly we have this left-wing network that suddenly there are networks of Antifa all over the country?
How is that?
Eight months.
That's
all it took.
Where were they during the Biden administration?
I don't understand it.
All of a sudden it's there.
And for some reason, the magas accept the fact that this all happened in just eight months.
These networks and the threat on the US and everything.
It's not real.
This isn't real, folks.
It's made up.
That's why it hasn't been here before.
None of us have heard of a left-wing network ever, and I'm just frustrated
by
I have kind of a sad story, and I hope I don't break down while I'm reading this, because I did when I first read this.
And you know, I'm against all, you know, what's going on in this country because I'm very concerned with my sons, you know.
And I get concerned about a lot of little things, big things too during COVID.
When a lot of people were dying because they were taking advice of the Trump administration
and
And we lost all of these baby boomers who were believing all of this stuff.
And I thought all of the baby boomers who went through all of these times,
in the 60s and 70s, the great resurgence of rock and roll, they gave up their lives for this orange person.
We're missing so much history with their loss.
And that's one of the things.
And then this story.
cropped up yesterday for me.
The Hollywood Bowl in Los Angeles glowed with emotion last night when Mickey Dolan's legendary voice of the monkeys stopped his concert mid-performance to invite a young fan, 10-year-old Daniel Carter onto the stage.
Yeah, Dolan's immediately paused, walked him up on the stage.
And the audience erupted with applause as Daniel tears streaming down his face, climbed the steps to the stage.
Mickey embraced him gently, then led him to the microphone with a signature warmth.
Dolan began strumming an acoustic guitar and softly sang Daydream Believer.
Anyway,
Yeah.
And that's what I'm getting at.
Yeah.
All these people that we lost during COVID, they had so many stories to tell so much history to pass along to their kids.
and be there for those people at this monkey's concert.
Monkey's concert.
The whole thing, you know.
I know, who would have guessed,
Well, anyway.
Congressman represented Tiffany, Tom Tiffany, and I've been calling him something like... I know what you were looking for there, just for... Mini-Trump Tiffany.
That's what I'm calling him.
Mini-Trump Tiffany.
It doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, but it's close.
You're not good at name-calling.
You need to be meaner.
Yeah, I can't do that, but Mini-Trump Tiffany is what I like to call him now.
He is out there running for governor and he is pathetic.
He is just one of the worst representatives we ever had in Congress.
He was terrible in the state legislature.
He
they're
It's very unhealthy.
He made sure that little towns couldn't be reimbursed for all the road construction after these giant trucks are in and out all day long wearing their roads out.
Doing the mining.
Holy smokes.
They didn't have to pay for road construction and and repair.
So he is really he's really just a horrible person and I'm gonna be governor and I'm gonna prove it Yeah, it's American values making it clear.
He will not stand for straight boys and girls bathrooms I am telling you this is this
is
for
Sir, there are other types of sanctuaries as well.
Restrooms for women and girls, locker rooms for women and girls should be safe spaces for them.
But I read an awful story about a young gal who's an athlete in Wisconsin and she and her P.E.
class, her female P.E.
class were forced to stand there while a young male student just ogled them.
I mean, this kid was definitely not any type of gender questioning or transitioning or anything like that.
He was just a boy, a young boy.
And I thought of you
because I know you're a girl dad.
And I'm wondering if this is an issue in Wisconsin to the degree that it is because I hear about it all around the Beltway.
I hear about it in Virginia.
Obviously that that horrific case in Loudoun County.
Is that an issue for midterms in Wisconsin still?
No.
It is.
It was in the November election.
And we have a governor that stands with boys being able to go in girls' bathrooms.
Democrats are going to have a knock down, drag out, primary.
It'll be really interesting to see where all of them stand as they race to the left.
But I can make just one thing clear.
If
I'm elected as the governor of
the
state
of
Wisconsin, girls will be going in girls' bathrooms, not boys.
Oh,
great.
That's pretty clear.
Pretty simple.
Pretty simple.
As it always is with you, sir.
have such great principles and always stick to them.
It's great to have you on today, Congressman.
Thanks for
But under Democrat leadership in Madison, that dream is slipping away.
Why?
Arms are disappearing.
Factories are shutting down.
And are children's educational results?
have fallen behind Mississippi, behind Mississippi.
I'm Tom Tiffany, and I'm running for governor because I love our state.
I see where we are headed, and I know we can do better.
You know we can do better.
I will freeze property taxes, protect our farmland from communist China, and I'll preserve our Wisconsin values, just like my mom does with her pickles.
sports will stay for girls.
Moms will be moms not inseminated persons Madison politics may smell like the barn, but I know how to clean up the bowl Okay too
long Democrats that's enough enough of that He's blaming the Democrats for all of this stuff that Republicans have been in charge for the last 14 years Tom you were in the legislature for some of that time.
This is ridiculous
If we're in that bad a shape blame the Republicans for it and we want to put you a Republican in charge of the entire state I am just
started.
It's John and Gordy, Catherine, Lakefilling in for Gordy today.
And, you know, I just, I just, I want to protect everybody out there from going through what we did in the 60s and 70s.
And it's just, I just truly concerned about our youth today.
My sons, of course, Gen Z and, and everyone out there.
I don't want to, I don't want to see anybody hurt or go through this.
and we're being forced into it by a madman, a complete madman.
The man is paranoid as hell.
He thinks all these things are going
And this woman who was at their little round table the other day yesterday said this, I want to focus on what is happening in Portland at the ICE facility.
I've been covering this for the past four months.
This is nothing short of a sustained attack on the United States.
That's the kind of stuff he's hearing.
That's what he thinks is going on from these crazy people.
This is the president of the United States relying on
hearsay.
And it's just driving me absolutely crazy.
And I'm just concerned.
I want people to be safe.
I don't want them to be hurt in these protests.
And that's...
We have had nothing but nice, quiet, peaceful protest.
And somebody did text in earlier reminding us that the No Kings protest is coming up and we're having one here in Madison.
There's going to be in Milwaukee and of course in Chicago on October 18th.
No Kings 2.0.
They're calling it.
Also, I just got to update something
I
is
I got this from Rob Thomas at the
citycast, CapTimes.
And so the good news is that yesterday afternoon, he was released, but the GoFundMe is still in place.
I looked it up and they are very nearly at their goal.
They have a goal of 170,000 and they're 154.
So if you look up GoFundMe with Garduno's family, that's spelled G-A-R-D-U-N-O and Sammy spelled S-A-M-Y Sammy Garduno, hyphen Martinez.
So if you're interested in able to help support for their hospital bills, that would be terrific.
And it's sad that we have to do something like this instead of having universal health care.
Yeah.
Right.
I mean, we put people through hell in this country.
We do.
I want to get to one more cut from Tom Tiffany.
All right.
This is cut 89.
And it's this reckless spending by the governor.
Let's listen.
You want to make Wisconsin a shining star in America again?
What are your plans?
Wisconsin is a great state with wonderful people, but we're lacking leadership at this point.
You look at our state, the next governor is going to be left with a $2 billion structural deficit.
Our
energy
costs are now the second highest in the Midwest, used to be among the lowest.
We are now ranked, Maria, in the bottom 10.
States in America in order to start a business so it's clear that Wisconsin is headed
wrong direction
real leadership
to make that Tom first of all the governor signs off on the budget sent to him by the Republicans if we have a debt it's because of the Republicans and I think that maybe the Republicans are at fault for everything else that you are so unhappy with
They're the ones in charge.
Damn it.
What the hell?
What kind of campaign is he running?
He's running the state down, and he's running down the Republicans while he's doing it.
Good morning to you both.
Hey, you know, I couldn't wait.
I came in late on the Mickey Dolan story.
Oh, you did.
I was excited to hear about You know the peace plan Yes, yes that you criticize every day is solving another war as your president We're finding out just how corrupt he was spying on senators and
You know causing wars he watched the war We watched Afghanistan.
Yeah, and you're worried about this guy after he solved wars seven of them going on eight.
bring his home and Yes, you
like a true liberal.
like a true liberal.
happy
Yeah.
Um, because, uh, your sanctuary cities and your president led in 20 million and they're hiding them in the cities with criminals.
Okay.
Well, he's solving it.
Committed a crime in this city or any of these cities who have businesses established businesses for 20 to 30 years and they're taking them out of the country They're taking people who don't deserve this who have played by the rules who have visas Who have been going to their court cases in order to you know, re-up Do whatever they need to do to stay in this country and we're taking them and we're throwing them out
That isn't what this country is all about.
It never has been.
Oh, no.
A lot of time ago.
The bald guy.
He used to be, they knew him as the bald guy.
They had a whole bunch of bits on Saturday Night Live taken off on him.
But anyway, this is John and Gordy in the morning.
Catherine Lake filling in for Gordy.
We've got Dom taking the phone calls and at the controls.
And right now is time once again for Jim Santel, Amicus, a law review.
You can hear that on Saturdays between 9 and 11 o'clock.
And Jim, you know, this is the most
ridiculous, crazy time I have ever seen when it comes to law.
We've got a president who does nothing but go to court.
And Jim is
This is not normal, but John Catherine, good to be with you again this morning as always on Thursdays.
I begin so many of my discussions, both public and private, by saying,
it's a lot and that's my way of saying you know what i don't know that anyone person you're not crazy right exactly you cannot possibly digest all this keep it all straight and the events obviously as i was
I'm planning to join you this morning, just going on, just to make sure that something else hadn't happened in the last 12 minutes.
I know, I know.
Overtakes, right?
It's crazy, isn't it?
That's the issue.
Yeah, I know.
It is.
It is.
It's a lot.
That's my new catchphrase.
That's my bumper sticker now.
It's a lot.
Well,
issues
They're not animating America or Wisconsin or municipalities around our state.
And then there are things that are hugely important.
And when they're all put in the same plane and thrown together in the same bucket, right?
And we talk about them as if one is just like the other.
Catherine, that's exactly the problem with understanding all this today.
And it takes a lot of work to get through it.
It takes wonderful broadcasts like this one, just put it all out.
And it makes certain that people know what's going on.
Well that's what we're trying to do here and we're all trying to figure out what's going to happen in Chicago with the invasion of the National Guard from Texas trying to get in and of course you know J.B.
Pritzker trying to save his state from this invasion and the mayor of course Brendan
I can't remember his last name.
Brendan Johnson.
Johnson.
Also, you know, making his voice known that, you know, they're not going to put up with this either.
Now, what's happening?
This is going to court today, right?
It
It is, right?
This is, and again, I think it's important, John Catherine.
that the people know about the names of the judges, not because you're going to be doing anything retaliatory or in any direction, but just so you know that the great majority of them are the guardrails out there and they are doing things to keep us safe and secure.
We'll see what April Perry does.
That's the name of the district court judge, P-E-R-R-Y.
She is going to be having a hearing.
She initially entertained this matter about the propriety of the presidents using the National Guard in response to protests and immigration.
issues there in Chicago.
Early in the week, she said, you know what?
I'm going to decide today.
schedule this on, we'll do this on Thursday.
And so big news today, we're coming out of the Dirksen building there in downtown Chicago, what she does, my guess is she will issue an order fairly quickly and then probably follow up with something in writing, which we can all digest.
But this is big.
And it also comes, of course, in the wake of a parallel, not a universe, very much the same universe in Portland, Oregon.
And there you've got another federal district judge, right?
Her name is Karen Imergat, I-M-M-E-R-G-U-T.
We should know
about the judges who are doing the work to protect the Constitution and our basic liberties and rights in America.
And what she said was, back on Saturday, again, judges work 24 hours a day, as do all of you at Civic Media as well, right?
Yes, yes.
The reality is she comes forward and she says, you know what, you can't be doing this.
It's an overreach.
It is not consistent with any of the attempted authorities that the president is attempting to invoke here.
And what happens, fascinating, it shows what this administration is all about.
She says, okay, so nobody from the Portland, nobody from the Oregon National Guard can be doing this in Portland.
Somebody in the White House on Sunday morning, I assume, Sunday afternoon says, well, she didn't use those magic words.
What about National Guard from other states, like, for example, California
and
I think that's got Stephen Miller written all over it.
Doesn't that sound like something you would do?
And she finds out about it.
Of course, she went back into court Sunday night.
This past Sunday night, she has a telephone call, a hearing, formal hearing Sunday night.
And she says, you must be joking.
And she basically says, you plainly are misinterpreting the intent of my order from 12 hours ago, saying you can't come into Portland with a National Guard.
And she then issues a directive saying, there is no National Guard from any state, any universe, any galaxy out there that can come in and invade here in Portland.
And she bemoans the fact.
that the Department of Justice lawyers are playing this kind of semantic game with her.
And we'll see what they do in Chicago today.
A lot of eyes and ears on that, as you say, is Texas.
And others have got their National Guard ready to go.
What she said was, again, here's the other problem, apropos of our discussion before about this happening so quickly.
She gets presented with this, of course.
And she says, what are the facts?
I need to have some facts here.
And she does postpone this a bit, a couple of days here, based from Monday to today.
And she says, lawyers, write your briefs.
which presumably they filed by 11 o'clock, 12 o'clock last night.
And what she says in the meantime is, I'm not going to prevent you from doing anything, although it would be wise government, wise if you don't do anything before Thursday, basically saying, I'm not officially telling you you're enjoying from bringing the Texas folks in, but let's be decent about this.
And again, my guess is there will be some fireworks about this today in the federal court, maybe on that issue, but also just generally on this notion.
that somehow there is rebellion afoot in Chicago, and there is insurrection afoot in Chicago, and we need to do this.
That's the larger issue.
And judges can and do make findings.
Judge Emmergut made that finding.
She said, look at Portland.
Our crime statistics are down.
You walk around the city.
This is not going on, Mr. President.
And judges can, in fact, make factual findings based upon the real life on the ground facts and then make determinations.
under the law, which is what Judge Emmergut did, presumably what the judge now in in Chicago will do sometime today.
two national guards.
We've got a Chicago or Illinois National Guard, and then we've got the Texas National Guard, and they're going to clash.
And I asked you off the air.
Now, if you could just clarify on the air about what can happen here, can the governor of Illinois demand that the National Guard of Illinois prevent the Texas National Guard from entering the city?
Is that a possibility?
And will that, will that be some kind of civil war?
Right the great questions of our time remember that time Oh say about ten months ago when we didn't have to answer ask these kinds of questions Because we could not possibly envision different life that our federal government would put this in place, right?
And so that is that's not just a rhetorical question a JB Pritzker obviously as you have reported and talked about a great length He is not going to take this and he like Gavin Newsom and Newsom and others around the country saying no mr.
president, you cannot do this.
You do not have the lawful authority.
Judges are supporting that notion that you don't have a lawful authority.
The concern and the reason why you're forced to ask that, that all important, horrific question.
Horrific question, right?
Not just rhetorical on a Thursday morning is that we don't know, we don't know if this White House and they have their track record is not to follow, not to follow what federal judges say.
We've got the Attorney General, we've got people like Tom Homan who has his own problems these days.
We've got the President of the United States of America saying judges, who are they?
They don't have power, right?
And under those circumstances, the specter that you raised, John,
about things happening on Michigan Avenue and, and in Kenzie and South Side of Chicago, where I went to school many years ago in Hyde Park.
We don't know.
We
just don't
A, possible.
B, it's also possible.
And I heard this, read this something yesterday, credible news source saying that it seems like the tide of judges making
erroneous or not helpful, not correct decisions.
It's starting to flow back.
We're starting to see enough pushback in that arena, judicial.
Am I crazy?
And I have to wonder if John Roberts, again, among other five members of the Supreme Court who basically permitted this,
president to do all sorts of things as he looks out his window there in Washington, DC.
I wonder if he is part of that, that gosh, maybe we have let this go too far as he starts the new term where things like tariffs on the docket, other major issues related to the power of the presidency.
Let's not forget, he put this in motion.
John Roberts, the history when it's written, he was the one who on July 1st said we need a powerful, muscular, adept, speedy, non-feeble.
presidency and Donald Trump, although he probably did not even read the opinion from a year ago, has done just that.
And who gave him permission to do it?
It's the United States Supreme Court and this chief justice.
You wonder if one day he wakes up and says, gee, my legacy, he's a great believer.
in the supremacy, the power of the presidency, but you wonder if, as Catherine has just said, if somehow he's beginning to think, I've unleashed something, this is too much.
blindly with he's got this Supreme Court where, you know, you do have the lower federal district court judges and everything from these issues we're talking about.
Something as important as firing in a federal trade commissioner, commissioner, which commission commissioner, I
was saying that
It's the federal trade commission commissioner.
Gotcha.
And her name is Slaughter.
And, you know, she's in front of the Supreme Court now because the lower court said, no, no, you've got no power to do this.
It's very clear.
And you just don't have the authority to do this, Mr. President.
Supreme Court is taking that up.
And why do you take that up?
Because what you're going to overturn, the lower courts, very well-written opinions based upon the Constitution, the law, that's coming out of our Supreme Court probably in the next few months or so, all these kinds of things.
And it is, again, we're doing for the days of less acrimony and this kind of disruption.
Talking
items.
And yes, I know
storing trees here as well.
But
And that's through Wednesday, regrettably, right?
And it really is, Catherine, as you said, there is just so much.
And unfortunately, things end up on the cutting room floor, as they do for any broadcast, right?
You've got to make determinations about what you can address and what you can't.
And hopefully, you'll get some breather at some point.
We don't seem to be having a lot of that these days.
It is, once again, it is a lot.
And it is a challenge.
And to your listeners who sometimes, whether listening to me, you, others, I think, my gosh, how can I possibly keep this straight?
We get that.
We understand it.
Perching nobody, whether you're a lawyer or a judge, nobody can keep track of all of this, the timing of it, and also the ferocity.
of the issues themselves.
They're hugely important.
Hey, good morning, guys.
I am always amazed when conservatives call into the show and complain about the immigrants that are just
coming to America to try to live a better life and seeing how their criminals, when the biggest criminal in the world pardoned 1500 criminals, and I'm sure a good portion of those criminals that he pardoned are out here running rough shot and getting their jollies off of rounding up families.
just right wearing masks that are just here trying to, trying to make a living for them
30 years.
Yeah.
And then they're, they're rounding up mothers and fathers and not, and not carrying anything about, well, what about the kids that are at school?
What's going to happen when they come home and there's no mom and there's no dad there?
Even worse than that is just stopping traffic.
They stopped a woman in a truck that had a symbol, I think the flag of Mexico on it, and they stopped it.
They surrounded her truck, dragged her out.
She's an American citizen.
Didn't ask and just said we don't need a warrant.
You know you hear the same comments over and over in these videos We don't need a warrant and you know these people are asking for so it's just it this is happening to American citizens all the time and that's wrong and no one's stopping it and I called on this a long time ago take the masks off make these people at least accountable for what they're doing out there and They're unaccountable right now, and they can do anything they want now
Let's get back to Jim Santel and what's going on in the Supreme Court?
Good luck, Jim.
Let's get on
Speaking of fireworks.
I appreciate that, Charles.
Thank you.
And Katherine, the weather was the last happy thing we talked about in this segment, and so we're glad we got that out there for our listeners, right?
It's going to be a pleasant fall weekend, and now Jim Santel is going to tell you about some not-happy things.
Supreme Court, back in business again, never went out of business as you know well, but their official new term started on Monday.
They already argued six different cases, including one.
Just yesterday coming out of Chicago, again, not the issues related to demonstrations and immigration issues.
But this one has to do with what is election day?
And there, an attempt to try to capture all the votes.
Illinois has a law that basically says if you've got absentee ballots that come in, they're postmarked in time, but you don't count them right away.
You can still count them 14 days after the election.
We want all those votes to count.
Gosh, there's a novel idea, right?
And so some folks come along, we know who they are, and they vial a lawsuit saying, no, no, that's in violation of the federal statute and elections clause of the Constitution.
Election day is the only day on which you can count those votes.
You don't do it, those votes don't count.
And yesterday, the Supreme Court entertaining that argument.
We'll find out about that in June.
The other big one in the area of just basic understandings about our Constitution, this one's got me very concerned.
It's going to be argued next Wednesday.
So again, listeners can listen.
I'm in this.
This is Louise.
Louisiana versus Calais, C-L-L-A-I-S.
You may recall this.
We talked about this in this show a while back.
This was the Supreme Court case where they drop kicked it from the previous term.
This was the question of line drawing in Louisiana, and much like we've had here in Wisconsin, and is it constitutional to create a couple of majority black districts?
And there's an allegation that the Voting Rights Act in section two, which is the key portion of the Voting Rights Act since the 1960s, may be unconstitutional
caused this in violation of the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment.
It's a crazy, absolutely absurd proposition, but the Supreme Court's going to entertain that
argument
And again, those are just two of the cases.
They did, by the way, again, to drain on the good and happy fall weather report.
They did entertain this argument also in another case just earlier this week on conversion therapy coming out of Colorado.
And the question is whether or not a therapist there who maintains that the ban on conversion therapy, 20 different states, including variation here in Wisconsin,
whether that inhibits her ability to exercise her religious liberties and her free speech rights by virtue of engagement with her clients.
And that's on the docket now.
And we'll see what the Supreme Court says.
Good luck
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