Only in Wisconsin could two guys spend two hours debating politics, packers, and pizza crust and somehow make it work.
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You know it.
WMDX, I forgot the lyrics.
Arthur, I don't know.
92.7, this is John and Gordy in the morning.
Gordy is still out and Catherine Lake is filling in this morning and doing a fantastic job so far, making sure that I'm doing everything right.
You're already bossing everybody
around.
It's my
default mode, isn't it, Dominic?
Yeah, Dom, give us a
countdown.
I'm just saying, it's
an idea.
It's what we do.
You don't have to always.
Thanks for
letting me be here.
I know that Gordy is having fun ice fishing in Portland right now.
And I think he actually is going to head back to Chicago today to take care of some business, you know,
protesting.
It's a good circuit to make at this point.
Oh my gosh, you were wearing your, uh, cubs hat this morning.
Oh, I didn't even notice.
I just
grabbed the first thing
that...
Yeah, it's just
you first
thing on your way out the door.
Yes!
I
get it.
Cubs, cubs, cubs, cubs, cubs, cubs, cubs, cubs.
Yeah.
My wife Ann has, uh, the same hat and we watched the game yesterday on a TV.
You did.
She was driving me a little bit crazy only because she's watching the broadcast, but she's trying to listen to the guys on the radio because she won't listen to anybody else but the guys
on
the radio.
And the timing would be off every once in a while because of the commercial breaks.
Actually, I don't know why that would be.
It's like the TV showing me one game.
And I'm listening to another game, basically.
Being reacted to.
Could you just sync this up a little bit?
Really, seriously, I don't even know what's going on anymore.
Just sync it up.
Your ATD was overacting in your poor little ring.
Exactly.
I cannot do both.
Well, you know, I'm at the dining room table.
We can watch the TV from the dining room, and I'm preparing the show.
I'm making edits.
Collecting soundbites.
I'm
working
and I'm listening to that and then she's got the radio full blast always and Then the TV is out of sync and I'm like, you know, I can only be distracted so much and I'm easily distracted and she was driving me crazy with this thing But you know, it was a good win.
I kept telling her that This is all just
A game.
The eighth inning.
The eighth inning.
The eighth inning.
It's a scam.
This whole baseball thing, you know, they plan this thing out.
First take a lead, and
then all of a sudden, oh, the
Cubs win.
I want a big surprise.
Keep the series going.
You think someone's taking a dive?
All the
advertisers.
Yeah, I'm thinking.
Oh
my goodness.
It adds to the intensity, John.
It adds to the build up of, you know, maybe they're going to go all the way.
It's going to be a close game, close series.
You're enabling him in his paranoia.
No, it's
just the...
and the Brewers are that close in capabilities.
Isn't that what it is?
Well, you can say that.
But I will say this and hand it to Anne for being completely honest about it.
She thinks that the Brewers are more talented, a better team.
This year.
I think she's probably in my totally layman's eyes.
I think she's probably right.
Everything I'm seeing and heard.
On paper, they're the best team in baseball.
On paper.
On paper.
Yeah.
Wow, okay.
Mr. Baseballer.
Mr. Baseballer.
You know what
I listened to while I was getting up at four crack of my butt,
30
in the morning.
That's too early.
Can't
believe don't miss these hours at all.
I was listening to WGN.
And they air WGN TV over nights
instead of, yeah.
That's a cool
idea.
Yeah, it's all right, it works.
It's the B team, you know, it's the early morning, overnight team.
Well, you got the scoop on what's going on in Chicago then, I would assume.
Yes, I was a lot of that, but part of what I was listening for was, you know, a few years before I left there to come back here, we were purchased by Nextstar.
They were purchased by Nextstar, the largest television affiliate
company,
largest number.
up there with Sinclair.
Not a big fan of them.
Yep.
They're in the news lately, aren't they?
Yes, they have been.
And so I was curious to hear whether or not the television station, because I think the radio station was already towing the line of not being overly critical.
It's
not a liberal progressive radio station.
It's the it's the father of Chicago, you know, and it's where everyone goes for their information.
Period.
Yeah.
And so I was wondering if if the next start
television station, WGN had fallen prey to any of Next Star's things.
And I thought, oh, I haven't heard Trump yet, haven't heard Trump yet.
And then finally it started to come in.
The
stories about what was going on there with the National Guard.
And I thought, okay, they're being fair.
But you're going to talk to Steve Cochran, formerly of WGN Radio on Monday.
Oh, yeah.
I think Dom said you've got him booked for Monday.
So that might be an interesting
conversation.
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, I want to find out more.
I want the inside scoop and Steve is down there,
right?
He's still in Chicago.
He's
not on the air, of course, because they didn't like that he was talking about Trump so much.
Oh, yeah.
Well, I would have a big problem with that.
You know, we talk about him all the time, sadly.
You know, this whole thing in Chicago is unwinding in a very uncomfortable way for, I think, the entire nation.
At least, I think the entire nation should be on the edge of their chair with what's going on in Chicago.
Oddly, isn't it?
Geez, I mean, this takes me back to the 60s, you know?
Seriously.
Charlie was there with me last night.
We took some photos and got some audio.
There'll
be stories about it.
You'll hear about the hands-off Chicago.
We had one here last night in Madison.
And one
of the signs said,
we love our fibs.
And that's fair.
But they just want to make sure they know we've got your back.
Yeah, oh, definitely, definitely.
But this isn't really talked about very much.
And I'm a little surprised.
I brought it up maybe just a few times myself, not enough.
But I think the president has a paranoia problem.
It's a mental disorder of some sort.
No one talks about this, but he is so paranoid about everything, and he's been that way for years, and we just go along with it.
We think, well, let's just...
Trump being Trump we never really think about it, but it's it's a serious serious problem now because he thinks everybody's out to get him he thinks all the cities are burning down and and being destroyed by Liberal mayors and the governors.
It's crazy talk.
I mean, this is truly crazy talk now Malcolm Nance has made a few appearances and Stephanie Miller show and he's a great guest on that show
But while back, he wanted to give us a few talking points and refer to Donald Trump as Mad King Donald.
And he hasn't used that since.
He's like me.
And I come up with these great nicknames.
I just said, I can't do nicknames.
I can't call people names.
But anyway, he came up with that.
And I thought, that's a great name.
And I was going to use it.
And I didn't use it either, like him.
But it's true.
He's a madman.
We have to start at least dealing with that.
He's seeing things that aren't there.
He's seeing fires and cars burning and protesters that are out of control.
He's seeing all this stuff that does not exist.
I saw a little clip of Christine Nomada building top, I believe in Chicago, and she was
scanning the area, you know, you could and the cameraman was there scanning
the area
with her, you know and and and and we're looking down and we're looking down at this madness in Chicago and there's flowers there's three or four people trees and a million around people walking with their dogs.
There's nothing going on.
And is this the one where the guy was dressed in some kind of costume?
Unicorns.
Yeah.
And I'm just thinking there is nothing there and she's scanning.
Oh.
which is taking control.
This is insane.
Well, I
gotta push back on you.
Slow down now.
So you're saying all this is Donald Trump's vision.
He's seeing, he's saying.
He's paranoid.
He
believes he's paranoid.
You're basing that on what he says, but what
is he being
told?
What is he being shown?
You know what I mean?
He's not going to Chicago and looking at burning cars.
That's not happening.
He's
being told, right?
So it's.
Project 2025.
I'm almost ready to let Donald Trump off some of the hooks
to
remind us that he is just a
Well,
no, we've said that he really is just kind of the puppet in front of all of us and he knows how to fill the space and just talk about nothing really in specific But you know and then he goes after everybody he hates and that's his full-time job while everything is being run behind him right through Russell vote who is taking controls of everything he has the purse strings he has a
He knows Project 2025 inside out.
And they are doing the whole thing.
And you know, the insurrection act, you know.
Everything that's going on right now is an insurrection.
They're wearing the word out.
everything is an insurrection, not just to wear the word out because of January 6 insurrection.
They're trying to, you know, defang that completely.
But they also want to do something with the insurrection act.
Well
said.
They're trying to defang it because of that's really well said.
Yeah.
So then they're going to go and
they're going to go and occupy all these cities and states.
So they are actually going to do this.
And I, I, you know, maybe we just don't want to admit that as, uh, as, as people who are on the left, but it's a reality.
I called it initially that he was a dictator.
I mean, once you're a dictator, you are a dictator.
There's no going back.
No halfway.
No matter how far you are into the dictatorship.
You know, all the things he wants to do.
Initially, that's the dictator.
And then he starts down that road and I called it.
But I really think this time he is pitting cities against cities, states against states.
This is a civil war.
We are going to experience a civil war.
in this country.
And a whole bunch of states are going to be involved in this.
And it's going to be truly ugly.
And I really wanted to avoid something like this, you know, as John Peterson, who has control over the entire United
States.
I wish this wasn't happening.
And, you know, we talked about this yesterday, Catherine, that I want to keep our sons and daughters out of harm's way on all of this.
And that's my motivation.
I can't stand seeing this happen again.
Gordy and I are, you know, went through this whole thing in the 60s and 70s.
It was a nightmare, truly a nightmare.
It was tense.
Was there a split country then?
Like this?
No.
No, there wasn't.
Not quite like this.
No.
Well, no, the president didn't take these kinds of actions close.
You know, they didn't call the National Guard out.
Few students were shot, definitely.
But, uh,
it
wasn't, it wasn't like this.
It wasn't a takeover of cities who were named liberal cities controlled by liberal mayors and liberal governors.
It wasn't like that.
This is purely political.
John Peterson.
Blood pressure.
I feel you.
Okay.
All right.
I just had to get done.
I get you.
All right.
This is WMDX.
I'm John Peterson.
Catherine Lake filling in for Gordy this morning.
We've got more coming up.
You can ask me what's trending.
What's trending?
You can ask me what's trending.
Well, yeah.
What's trending?
What?
What's trending?
Yeah, we're getting texts right now and I'm on to say hi
to Mark.
in Prairie to Sack, who said, deranged, demented, deluded, Donald.
Good name.
I like that.
He also said when Franco brought back King Juan Carlos, he was still a dictator, like you were talking about earlier.
And Gordie Young from Chicago, because he's there protesting.
He has a nerve to text him that I'm not doing my damn job.
Swilling in for him because I should be doing time checks and weather and things.
Sitting in awe of you instead of doing my job.
Sorry, Gordy.
Go to sleep, would you?
Jeez Louise, it's 43 degrees currently in Madison.
We're expecting beautiful weather today, up to 67.
Beautiful fall weather.
Perfect
temperature.
The rest of the week looking really nice to 71 tomorrow, Saturday 66.
Clear skies on Saturday, Sunday 68.
And no rain expected, probably till middle of next week.
Yeah.
Nice.
43 right now in Madison.
Just beautiful.
It's fantastic.
You know, it was such a nice day yesterday, then I managed to reattach the rear view mirror on our Highlander.
It fell off.
It fell off or?
You know, it's inside the car.
And, you know, the River Amir fell off.
It came unglued off the windshield.
I find it really weird that they glue these things
on.
But it could.
Yeah, first of all, yeah.
But that it could also unglued.
Yeah.
Well, it just fell off.
The heat or something like that.
I don't know why.
I mean, this was like maybe.
I'm
crying foul, aren't you?
Come
on.
I feel like there's always something with your cars.
There's always something.
Well, this happened like...
Two months ago, we don't use the Highlander very often.
It's 2006, but it's gorgeous.
I mean, it's really well taken care of.
Six miles to the gallon.
No, it's a hybrid
too.
We get about 22 miles.
That's not great.
Let me tell you.
But the mirror came off and everybody's been bothering me to put it back on.
And before it gets too cold, before the surface area doesn't take the epoxy very well, I had to put it on and I did.
I managed to get it on, although it was a little crooked.
It's just a little piece of steel that you glue onto the windshield.
And then the mirror slides over it and attaches that way.
Now, it's an adjustable mirror, so it doesn't matter whether the base of it is a little
skewer.
But it
looks awesome, I'm sure.
Well, I did it right this time.
This is the second time I'm doing it.
And it's one of those things where sometimes it does
break off again and that's fine.
That's
fine.
Just gives me something else to do besides putting in my charging station as well, which by the way is next week.
Really?
Yes, next week Tuesday.
Doesn't time fly when you're waiting for things to happen?
I know and they're putting speed bumps in front of my house.
On Monday, because they heard me talking about how much I hate speed bumps.
Well, they also heard you talking about how much you like to speed.
They want to slow your butt
down.
Fair
enough.
Maybe that's what happened.
And can I ask you a question?
I don't know what you have on your agenda.
I'm just going to take over here.
Squirrels, squirrels, they're suicidal around here.
I have never seen so many squirrels diving for my tires as I have this year in Madison.
Diving for your tires at your home?
Yes, with no on the streets leading to and from my home, with, with not in mouth.
They all like, wait in the side of the road.
Here she comes.
Let's try now.
Oh no.
And I'm slamming on the brakes now.
Of
course, I obey the 25.
Now, nay, 20 mile an hour speed limits
in my neighborhood.
Why do you do that?
Just doing it to irritate people.
To avoid squirrels.
There are so many dead squirrels on the road.
As many deer
as there are on 94, there are
squirrels on the streets of Minnesota.
I feel bad for them, you know?
As much as I hate the damn squirrels and as much I know that my dog hates the damn squirrels.
Hates or loves?
Power hates them and wants them all out of our yard.
So he's chasing, she's
chasing them.
Yeah.
Up and out, up the tree, over you go.
Mostly, and a lot of times she imagines that they're up in the trees.
You know, and they love, you know, jumping from one tree to the next, and she follows
them.
Trying to hurt them
from the branches?
Yes.
And I keep telling her, you can't climb the tree.
She's like, you know,
up on the tree.
Almost there.
Almost there.
Next time, Papa.
Can't hug it and climb it.
Maybe that's the next thing for border collies.
They learn quickly
for this border collie Are they allowed at the farmers markets and the no not the farmers market the night market?
They are right.
I don't know you got to bring power to the night market Yeah, I want to meet her
Wow, okay.
That's a lot to ask.
I know that sounds like a great big
request
a Big ask here, but that would be that and would have to handle that one.
I know
No.
Has the dog been off your property?
No.
That's the real question.
The thing is, she is very excitable.
Yes.
And she'll try to hurt the entire city.
When there are a lot of people around, she can't handle the excitement.
And if there are other dogs around, she can't handle having other dogs around.
She's she just gets overexcited.
We need some CBD for this pop.
I think
actually we have that
you
do.
Yes, we do.
Does it
work against her
to sleep?
Well, we don't put her to sleep necessarily, but we call we calm her down Why don't you pick some CBD out there for the squirrels there?
Yeah, we could do that sure
it's chewy Well,
you know Sunrise is at 704 and sunset tonight is at 624 all
right
all right 629 right now all right Well, this is John and Gordy with Catherine like our guest give us a call tell us what you think text us We want to hear from you
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WMDX 92.7
it's John and Gordy and Katherine Lake filling in for Gordy this morning Dom at the controls we've got so much to get to oh my gosh just a moment Tim Slecker from busted pencils but first Gordy is out there reminding you how to
unbelievable
how to do his part
go to sleep you're in shit
Chicago to protest.
I get it.
So go protest
phone number.
What is the phone number?
What's your producer's name?
6 0 8 6 8 8 6 8
8.
Yeah.
No, no.
Yeah.
6 8 8.
6 8 8.
That's what
it is.
Okay.
9 0 9 8
9 0.
That's not our phone number.
That is absolutely not our phone number.
That's probably the phone number to get to you in the studio or something.
That is not what Gordy says.
Something eight seven nine talkers.
You guys are looking at me.
I know like I asked people What's the phone number
somebody knows it Anyway,
he
said we're supposed to tell the time.
Oh, that's right.
Okay, so the time is 6 36 and what was that temperature?
Oh, yeah, it's 43 degrees
By the way did the weather I want to talk about Don
yeah
Don Kluge and Wild Rose.
He says Catherine Lake morning DJ soothing female
intelligence.
Okay.
Yeah.
I'm going to stop talking now.
Thanks,
Don.
Thanks, Don.
Oh, but now she's frozen.
Frozen up.
All right.
We got to get, uh, we got to continue the show here as much as Gordy would like to help us and do the show for us from his home.
Uh, you know, show up next time.
From
his tent in Chicago's Grant Park.
Yes.
Uh, we've got, uh, Tim Slacker here from Busted Pencils.
Welcome.
Yeah, man
doctor Tim and a special, you know Catherine here.
I mean, you know, here's a There is no morning Thursday appearance of Tim Slicker on the John and Gordy show without Catherine Lake
No, that's true.
No, I mean, I'm serious.
She is the person who actually saw something in busted pencils and was like, I need you guys, uh, to do more with civic media.
And so there I am so happy to see Catherine here because there is no.
Busted pencils without Catherine Lake.
Well, there's no busted pencils without Tim and Johnny, of course, to Johnny Lupinacci, your partner in
crime.
And you guys are not just, you know, advocates for teachers.
You are teachers and you teach teachers.
You're
a
doctor of education,
if you're gonna say.
They've got a slogan.
They
do.
Yeah.
What is
it?
We're educated educators talking education.
I just love that.
I
just love when you guys say that.
Well, you know, you're talking to some big book publishers here now, Tim, so... Oh,
for
God's sake!
Keep that under wraps for a little bit.
You know, we'll bring that out.
You were saying, I mean, yeah, great show yesterday that dropped.
Yes, absolutely.
Mike Bigley, Western Rural Wisconsin, the group Lift Offs.
We have had...
a few representatives from them um on the show uh talking different times and what they're doing in rural wisconsin is just something that every public school should be looking at because um this is one of those places where they say well that would never happen here uh you know rural schools underfunded all of the you know rural schools you know well actually you know might be in
in the market for, you know, a book on writing cursive or something like
that.
But we get back to that.
I mean,
they're fully engaged with AI, working with Ashley Furniture up there.
You know, looking at apprenticeships and really digging deep into the student engagement issue.
And they've done something remarkable, which is...
we're going to break down the structures of traditional schooling, which we all know everybody points out and says, you know, I wish school wasn't so darn boring.
Why do we sit in rows?
Why do we do?
And Mike Bagley and his team at liftoffs, they're pushing the boundaries on that.
And though I think what you were, John, concerned about though, he recently was in China.
Yes.
as a guest of Ashley Furniture to see what's happening there.
And boy, there's a lot happening in China.
Tell me, tell
me.
They're way beyond the US at this point.
Oh boy.
It's just shocking stuff.
700,000 smart robotic companies are in China.
700,000.
The US, according to Mike Bigley, 600.
What?
Smart robotic companies.
They have 700,000.
And guess what?
They're training their children.
Okay, so come on, Dr. Tim, help
me
out.
Is this a...
Well, I mean, so Michael pointed out a lot of startups and things like that.
But what he was saying is that the push forward on kind of saying like wanting to somehow claim the future is that China is all in and we hear a lot about this.
And we're really talking about, yeah, robotics, artificial intelligence.
the need for America to not lose the AI challenge that we're up against.
I don't want to use the word war.
I hate that word.
But Mike makes us go, well, crap.
We may have already lost.
Yeah.
Well,
you know, the
interesting thing that Mike brought up, I think, was the different aspects of the use of AI.
You know, we always, you know, we talk about it in the classroom or we talk about, you know, making stuff up or, you know, books and book covers and in our websites.
But there are all these other different angles to use AI for.
And he brought all of that up.
And it was just, you know, amazing that we're kind of focusing
Our focus is very small at this point in this country, but in China it is expanded dramatically, right?
It's expanded dramatically and you know people are saying it so he went to see a bunch of businesses.
What's that have to do with education?
What you just pointed out though John is is that all of those different uses that are being explored there to
that starting in China's education system, though, too, is embedding that knowledge for a diversified workforce within AI, looking at that.
And so realizing what implications would that then have on schooling is to realize that the...
Total you know like what do you want to say plethora of different ways?
AI is in business in industry and in ways We don't even know yet the way it's going to be deployed that commitment to entrepreneurship and creativity Which a lot of people go China?
Entrepreneurship and creativity.
I thought they were communists
Well,
they
do
they do tend
to they
are they do tend to rob us a little bit.
Yeah our
creativity
Yeah, but they're but they are really really capitalist
Yeah, it's yeah, it's an interesting communism.
It is a very strange one, isn't
it?
You know, it was just amazing too that we're kind of limited here in this country.
One of the points was that they use open source programming instead of, you know, locked in certain specific programs that we use in our schools.
They have open source programming, which means you can share it with anybody.
We should talk to our CEO about that.
Sage Weill, who owns Civic Media, is an open source kind of guy.
As
far as
my research on him when I first was applying for this job,
that
was one of the things that he was passionate about, I believe.
I'm putting
words
totally in his mouth.
But open source is a good thing,
is
it not?
Yeah.
Well, yeah, I don't know.
That's where, yeah, Sage being on would be great because my limited understanding from that standpoint, though, is that actually, when we're talking about education in AI and those things that open source can create some problems with, you know, danger and data sharing and things like that, that we're
trying to put in schools, you know, lots of guardrails around our kids.
And that's not a bad thing to be thinking about.
Oh, yeah, some
guardrails, yeah.
Yeah, you know, and, and again, you know, the data that goes out there, we see this, you know, so a school district makes a commitment with a, you know, an AI provider or something like that.
The question is, so when a kid starts typing into, you know, a school,
Portal that deals with AI what's happening to that that data that the kids are putting in to that AI and you know some places will
give you, well, you know, it should be okay.
But I see more and more companies actually stepping up and saying, like, look, what we're going to do is you'll have access to AI, but it'll be with an enclosed type of guarded system that the data and the usage will stay kind of in this school district bubble.
Yeah.
You know, and so, yeah, is that then limiting our students because they're not in an open source?
I, you know, good question.
Yeah, that's a good
question.
I think, though, what Mike, and yeah, I think the statistics he brings back are a bit frightening.
Yeah.
But, you know, back to the school issue is that, you know, he's out there as a superintendent of a school district, you know, in Wisconsin.
and seeing the educational implications and really coming back and this is where you know hats off lots of awesomeness is to point out that they're going and bringing back to rural Wisconsin cutting edge not just the technology but cutting edge ways of educating the kids up there.
That really pushes us in a direction that kind of says, wait, they've moved.
And we contrasted that.
We had interviewed the head of the Alpha School to our learning from Austin, Texas, and what they were doing for $40,000 a year tuition and wondering, why does it always have to be so much money for something like that?
Well, Mike Bigley and what they're doing up there is that at a public school system, they're kind of creating their own sense of alpha school, which is digging deep into engagement and using AI tools to actually move kids into those critical thinking areas and not spending inordinate wasteful time on lecturing kids about.
knowledge and actually giving them access to knowledge and putting them in critical thinking problem-solving situations and just blowing up the school day.
And that's why we really want to continue to focus a lot of the work that we're, you know, busted pencils, the liftoffs team because, you know, what a model, model for Wisconsin to be thinking about, you know, everybody's cutting edge, cutting edge, where's cutting edge happening?
Well, hey.
right there rural wisconsin season number four is the area um man
You know, and I put this out there for everybody on Civic Media, all the hosts.
Start bringing some of these people from liftoffs on to talk about what they're doing up there because it's great stuff.
It really does sound great and everybody should check yesterday's podcast.
And I big thumbs up to Ashley Furniture too for doing something like this with the community.
Dr. Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils is with us.
I'm Catherine in with John Peterson, but Infra Gordy, who is still in Chicago in a tent in Grant Park protesting.
That's right.
Yes.
Yep.
He's glamping.
Yeah, he's glamping.
You stick around for a minute, Tim.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, we gotta definitely come back.
We've got so much more.
Okay.
Welcome to the age of stoop
We're fighting that.
We're trying to change that.
This is WMDX 92.7 dump.
You know, we're working on it here on the show, but every once in a while we do sound kind of stupid because we've got idiocracy all
the time
here.
But anyway, we're talking to Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils right now and we were also talking about liftoffs and Mike Bigley who recently
went to China, but he also had a great lesson for us as well.
And I think that is, and this is a great message for Gen Z, and that
is
learning.
They're actually teaching the passion of learning, but relearning is one of the big things they're focusing on as well, right?
Yeah, right.
Well, you know, because it's like,
Goal, you know, is preparation for jobs.
And so, you know, you typically say, what are the jobs then that kids are going to occupy and you prepare them for those jobs?
Well, you know, we've we've always known that, you know, when you're talking about a kindergartner who's 12 years away, maybe 15 to 18 years away from working, that was never really a good way.
Most of those jobs disappeared.
Well, now that we
is that the jobs of today truly are, some of them are gone, truly tomorrow.
And so how does an education system prepare?
Well, you have to prepare people for a work positioning that is going to be constantly changing.
And with that, then, is a commitment to learning how to learn.
And John, what you pointed out when Mike says this commitment to relearning, which really says,
Hey, guess what?
In the future, the most prepared people are going to be those ones who are capable of learning things again over and in new ways to be ready.
And so being adaptable and committed to realizing that, you know, the future is going to be exciting.
um, unknown and the last thing you want to do is kind of get situated in the, I know what I need to know now and I'm good.
That's
like
the radio business for goodness sakes.
We're all digital now when we're all over the
state.
We're relearning this
right now as
we speak.
Like, uh, Mike, uh, provided he said that everybody right now basically has 27 relearns.
That's the current rate, right?
27 now.
I don't know where they came up with the number, but that's a fan.
Fantastic number, but it's gonna even get worse or bigger the number will get bigger in the future as well.
So Yeah, it's kind
of
interesting
I was thinking though too.
I mean, you know talking about re-learning and the implications I mean who knew yes
that the John and Gordy could become children's authors.
At this stage in our life.
Are you kidding me?
And illustrators, I mean, you must have relearned something.
That's right.
I was learning AI and it was, it was Gemini and I accidentally tripped into Gemini.
2.5, I think.
And it came up with a book.
Let's play a little piece of the John and Gordy, Let's Go Back to Cursive Handbook.
You have
a
commercial?
John and Gordy's Let's Go Back to Cursive Handbook.
John and Gordy lived in a world of quick clicks and tapping thumbs.
Everyone typed, and nobody knew how to read the beautiful, secret script of their grandparents.
It's a tragedy, Gordy.
John sighed, running his finger over a faded, loopy letter S. The letters no longer hold hands.
Gordy, ever the man of action, pushed a stack of crisp, blank notebooks toward John.
Then we'll teach them, John.
We'll show them how the letters connect, like a long, beautiful train.
And so, their journey began.
You know, okay, all right.
You know the biggest the best picture I think in that book was where he was writing the ease On
the
board where it all connected.
It was just
beautiful It was just like like a wave of ease The black book okay, so I I think this is great because you know it you say you stumbled into it I did yeah, but but but you know the ability to
put together something like that and you know if somehow if you civic media could make a link to the the book it'd be funny because it's it's not bad and you know what you guys are trying to do so you had a concept you had an idea talking about cursive writing and situating it and you know it wasn't like it was just a you had an idea an
assistant
Yeah.
An assistant.
And you get to explore the potential of going, OK, what would happen?
And I think it's cool and fun that you did that.
AI needs a little help with their images and how they portray people.
John and Gordy look like, I don't know, actors from Hollywood and this thing.
Hey, do you
want to take one second to
let
Mark has called in?
It's been very patient sitting on the phone with us for at least 20 minutes.
Mark, you got a minute here.
How are
you?
thank you so much out there uh... after his first looking to china for innovation in china was innovating ideas centuries before the west was i mean i guess the self-cleaning plow was one of them
description
printing but looking to other nations is for for thought i mean hamilton in one of his federalist papers on the judiciary said this is before you knew what you know much about japan at all is that we could turn to japan for a judicial ideas for a supreme court to discuss
And the only problem, I hear you saying critical thinking.
I wonder if we need to come up with another phrase for that, because otherwise we're going to freak out the mega, say, because that's not too close to critical race theory, because critical
thinking.
There
you go.
Good thoughts, Mark.
Thank you so much
for the call.
6-0-8-7-9.
Talk 8-2-5-5.
Yeah, we have a link to John and Gordy's Let's Go Back to Curse of Mistake that we made.
We jump on bandwagons every once in a while, and it's the wrong one.
Dr. Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils.
Hear them on Saturdays.
Thanks, Dr. Tim.
Hey, appreciate it.
And I'm going to go out and roll with my ease.
It's so easy, and it's
so cool.
All right, we'll talk to you later.
John and Gordy.
It's a beautiful morning.
First of all, you guys put on a good show and I think that goes without saying.
I love your show.
I listen all the time.
You have a pretty fun show.
I listen to it most of the time, you know.
Keep up the good work.
Now
it's disgusting.
It's a ploy.
God, I love you.
Get the hell off the stage.
Nice work, everyone.
Sharp broadcasts.
Really good.
Good morning, John and Gordy.
Good morning, John and Gordy.
Good morning, John and Gordy.
Well, thank you.
Thank you.
John and Gordy in the morning, and of course, uh, Catherine Lake is in for Gordy this morning, and it's great to have her side of the story, her opinions, her strong positions that she has taken on the show this morning.
It's 706.
It's 43 degrees.
This keeps Gordy happy.
Our phone number is 608-879-8255-879-TALK.
I
know, I just completely lied.
I know.
I hope people start calling it.
I hope it's your phone number at home.
Please, no.
No, I have one thing that's serious to talk about.
You remember, of course, December's abundant life shooting, and there is still one child in the hospital.
If you can believe it, he was shot multiple times.
His name is Samuel Gardunio Martinez.
Garduno Martinez, and he was shot multiple times.
He's still at American Family Children's Hospital.
They have a GoFundMe going.
So look for that if you could.
Sammy, S-A-M-Y, Garduno Martinez here in Madison, still in hospital and looking for a little help with a GoFundMe.
That's right.
With the
hospital bills, yeah.
Alright and You know there's a lot of talk and a lot of praise for the administration negotiating a deal with Hamas and Israel helping that Negotiation along and there is a peace deal or release of prisoners all of that But I got to tell you I Don't know it infuriates me.
I mean we have let this go on for so damn long two years
Right three.
It's it's it's just out Gaza is is flattened.
Yeah People are starving to death They're being shot for trying to get food and we're sitting here celebrating this something that took way too long to happen.
Yeah, and it was it was a Number of people who were involved
It's their fault, and it took too long, and it's frustrating for me to watch this celebration, even though it is a great time to celebrate that.
It's frustrating because it took so long, and it's so many people, and they're still suffering.
Beside the point and I have these discussions with my kids at home all the time, you know, they're Gen Zers and they're just you know besides themselves They really can't understand the political process
process
that's involved in
this history No,
the history of trying to negotiate and trying to do something with Israel the money that we give them maybe
putting strings on it.
They don't understand why we don't put strings on that.
But it is frustrating.
It's key that
you're saying that they don't understand because they're so young.
They're so young they haven't seen even the number of years that you have watching this come and go.
But I like that.
I like they have a fresh look at this and they're driven.
And I like that energy.
That's fantastic.
What energy they have.
I'm just looking at a really dumb, there is a right wing poster on X rapid response 47 and they posted a video of one of the people at this big meeting yesterday about taking down the left wing network that
None of us have ever heard of, you know, isn't it strange?
Didn't you get the
memo?
Didn't
you get the secret handshake?
I never got it.
No, I asked Matt yesterday.
He didn't get it either.
He didn't have
the handshake either?
We're not aware of a left-wing network.
I would join it, maybe.
I'd like to be asked.
You know, all of a sudden, I asked my mega friend this yesterday.
I said,
Isn't it strange after eight months suddenly we have this left-wing network that suddenly there are networks of Antifa all over the country?
How is that?
Eight months.
That's
all it took.
Where were they during the Biden administration?
Where were they during Obama and the first term for Trump?
I don't understand it.
All of a sudden it's there and and for some reason the magas
except the fact that this all happened in just eight months.
These networks and the threat on the U.S.
and everything, it's not real.
This isn't real, folks.
It's made up.
That's why it hasn't been here before.
None of us have heard of a left-wing network ever, and I'm just frustrated by that.
Okay, take a breath.
Take a breath.
Okay.
Take a breath.
I have kind of a sad story, and I hope I don't break down while I'm reading this.
No.
Because I did when I first read this.
I did.
Oh, boy.
And you know, I'm against all, you know, what's going on in this country because I'm very concerned with my sons, you know.
And I get concerned about a lot of little things, big things too during COVID.
When a lot of people were dying because they were taking advice of the Trump administration
and
all the Megas at that point wanted to take Ivermectin, all of this stuff.
And we lost all of these baby boomers who were believing all of this stuff.
And I thought all of the baby boomers who went through all of these times,
in the 60s and 70s, the great resurgence of rock and roll, they gave up their lives for this orange person.
We're missing so much history with their loss.
And that's one of the things.
And then this story.
cropped up yesterday for me.
The Hollywood Bowl in Los Angeles glowed with emotion last night when Mickey Dolan's legendary voice of the monkeys stopped his concert mid-performance to invite a young fan, 10-year-old Daniel Carter onto the stage.
Okay, I'm already a little misty.
Daniel held up a simple cardboard sign, his hands trembling with the words, my brother.
is no longer here, but your music makes me
feel... Your music makes me feel...
Makes me feel he's still with me.
Did he get taken by
ice?
Yeah, Dolan's immediately paused, walked him up on the stage.
And the audience erupted with applause as Daniel tears streaming down his face, climbed the steps to the stage.
Mickey embraced him gently, then led him to the microphone with a signature warmth.
Dolan began strumming an acoustic guitar and softly sang Daydream Believer.
Anyway, that is amazing.
That's one of those great stories.
Yeah.
You know,
yeah, you can't top that.
Can't top that.
Yeah.
And by the end of the song, Mickey wrapped his arms around Daniel when whispered, he's with you.
And tonight he's with all of us too.
That's lovely.
That's lovely.
Yeah, that's going on around the world.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's
happening.
But we miss these people.
Yeah.
And that's what I'm getting at.
Yeah.
All these people that we lost during COVID, they had so many stories to tell so much history to pass along to their kids.
and be there for those people at this monkey's concert.
Monkey's concert.
The whole thing, you know.
I know, who would have guessed,
right?
I thought Mickey Dolan's had it in him to be so on the nose.
Wow.
Boy, that's just one of those times.
John Peterson, Catherine Lake is in for Gordy Young right now.
Hi, 608-879-TALK, 8255 if you'd like to join in.
You've got some stuff going on.
You've got some anger you want to get out.
I do.
You want to do it now?
I've been doing it all morning, actually.
I could get to the ball of flaming cheese, but...
Passage from last hour.
I know.
If
you missed that, sorry.
Well, I didn't get to that.
There's so many stories.
Now you're witnessing how many stories I actually never get to understand.
I'm also witnessing how it's hard
to get elements in.
I
sympathize with you, Gordy.
I know.
Me too.
Well, anyway, Congressman represented...
Tiffany Tom Tiffany and I've been calling him something like you were looking for it there just for a mini Trump Tiffany.
That's what I'm calling mini Trump Tiffany It doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, but it's close.
You need to be meaner.
Yeah, I can't I can't do that, but mini tough Mini Trump Tiffany is what I like to call him now
He is out there running for governor and he is pathetic.
He is just one of the worst representatives we ever had in Congress.
He was terrible in the state legislature.
He
destroyed the environment in this state.
He allowed sand mining pits to be put in near grade schools.
And all the silica is in the air and they're inhaling this.
It's very unhealthy.
He made sure that little towns couldn't be reimbursed for all the road construction after these giant trucks are in and out all day long wearing their roads out.
Doing the mining, holy smokes.
They didn't have to pay for road construction and and repair.
So he is really he's really just an horrible person and I'm gonna be governor and I'm gonna prove it.
Yeah, it's American values making it clear He will not stand for straight boys and girls bathrooms.
I am telling you this is this is hit his damn platform
This
is something we've been just dying to do here.
Let's listen to cut 87.
Okay, this is just outrageous
Sir, there are other types of sanctuaries as well.
Restrooms for women and girls, locker rooms for women and girls should be safe spaces for them.
But I read an awful story about a young gal who's an athlete in Wisconsin and she and her P.E.
class, her female P.E.
class were forced to stand there while a young male student just ogled them.
I mean, this kid was definitely not any type of gender questioning or transitioning or anything like that.
He was just a boy, a young boy.
And I thought of you because I know you're a girl dad.
And I'm wondering if this is an issue in Wisconsin to the degree that it is because I hear about it all around the Beltway.
I hear about it in Virginia.
Obviously that that horrific case in Loudoun County.
Is that an issue for midterms in Wisconsin still?
No.
It is, it was in the November election and we have a governor that stands with boys being able to go in a girl's bathroom.
By the way, the Democrats are going to have a knock down drag out primary.
It'll be really interesting to see where all of them stand as they race to the left.
But I can make just one thing clear.
If
I'm elected as the governor of the state of Wisconsin, girls will be going in girls' bathrooms, not boys.
Oh, great.
That's pretty clear.
Pretty simple.
Pretty simple.
As it always is with you, sir.
have such great principles and always stick to them.
It's great to have you on today, Congressman.
Thanks for
joining us.
Always keep it nice and
simple.
Yeah, real simple.
OK.
Now, Tiffany is not aware, of course, that the gerrymandered Republicans and the legislature have been in control for the last 14 years.
But let's listen to this.
This is cut 88 now.
Tom Tiffany.
But under Democrat leadership in Madison, that dream is slipping away.
Farms are disappearing.
Factories are shutting down.
And our children's educational results have fallen behind Mississippi.
behind Mississippi.
I'm Tom Tiffany and I'm running for governor because I love our state.
I see where we are headed and I know we can do better.
You know we can do better.
I will freeze property taxes, protect our farmland from communist China, and I'll preserve our Wisconsin values, just like my mom does with her pickles.
Girl sports will stay for girls.
Moms will be moms, not inseminated persons.
Madison politics may smell like the barn, but I know how to clean up the bowl.
Okay too long Democrats that's
enough of that He's blaming the Democrats for all of this stuff that Republicans have been in charge for the last 14 years Tom you were in the legislature for some of that time.
This is ridiculous
If we're in that bad a shape blame the Republicans for it and we want to put you a Republican in charge of the entire state
I am just I think you've made your case.
I'm just going to decide myself I can't understand why he is doing this You know if there's a voter out there right now that has heard any of this and thought wow I got a vote for that guy.
I don't know what you're thinking
six eight eight seven
nine
talk Let us know John Peterson take your medicine now back
I did my best, it wasn't much I couldn't feel, so I tried to touch I've told the truth, I didn't come to fool you
And even though it all went wrong I'll stand before the Lord of song with nothing
WMDX, 92.7.
It's John and Gordy, Catherine, and Lakefilling in for Gordy today.
And, you know, I just, I just, I want to protect everybody out there from going through what we did in the 60s and 70s.
And I'm just, I'm just truly concerned about our youth today.
My sons, of course, Gen Z and, and everyone out there.
I don't want to, I don't want to see anybody hurt or go through this.
and we're being forced into it by
a madman, a
complete madman.
The man is paranoid as hell.
He thinks all these things are going on.
And in this woman who was at their little round table the other day yesterday Said this I want to focus on what is happening in Portland at the ice facility.
I've been covering this for the past four months This is nothing short of a sustained attack on the United States.
That's kind of stuff.
He's hearing Wow, that's that's what he thinks is going on from these crazy people This is the president of the United States relying on
Here say yeah, and it's just driving me absolutely crazy and a really I I'm just concerned.
I want people to be safe I don't want them to be hurt in these protests and that's
Well, thank goodness so far here.
We have had nothing but nice quiet peaceful protest
And somebody did text in earlier reminding us that the No Kings protest is coming up and we're having one here in Madison.
There's going to be in Milwaukee and of course in Chicago on October 18th.
No Kings 2.0, they're calling it.
Also, I just got to update something
I
said earlier, if you don't mind.
final victim of December's abundant life shooting, who I said is still in hospital, is no longer in hospital.
I got this from Rob Thomas at the city cast, CapTimes.
And so the good news is that...
And yesterday afternoon, he was released, but the GoFundMe is still in place.
I looked it up and they are very nearly at their goal.
They have a goal of 170,000
and
they're 154.
So if you look up GoFundMe with Garduno's family, that's spelled G-A-R-D-U-N-O, and Sammy spelled S-A-M-Y, Sammy Garduno, hyphen Martinez.
So if you're interested and able to help support.
for their hospital bills.
That would be terrific.
Very definitely.
And it's sad that we have to do something like this instead of having
universal health care.
Hospital bills.
Yeah.
No.
Right?
I
mean, we put people through hell in this country.
We
do.
I want to get to one more cut from Tom Tiffany.
All right.
This is cut 89.
And it's this reckless spending by the governor.
Let's listen.
You want to make Wisconsin a shining star in America again.
What are your plans?
Wisconsin is a great state with wonderful people, but we're lacking leadership at this point.
You look at our state, the next governor is going to be left with a $2 billion structural deficit.
Our energy costs are now the second highest in the Midwest, used to be among the lowest.
We are now ranked, Maria, in the bottom 10.
States in America in order to start a business so it's clear that Wisconsin is headed in the wrong direction We just need real leadership
to make that Tom first of all the governor signs off on the budget sent to him by the Republicans if we have a debt it's because of the Republicans and I think that maybe the Republicans are at fault for everything else that you are so unhappy with
They're the ones in charge.
Damn it.
What the hell?
What kind of campaign is he running?
He's running the state down, and he's running down the Republicans while he's doing it.
Well, he's not saying that.
He's throwing them under the bus.
He doesn't say it that way.
I know,
but he's blaming Democrats for everything the Republicans are responsible for.
Yes.
That's crazy
stuff.
Okay, why don't we go to the phone lines?
We've got CJ on the line.
What do
you got, CJ?
Good morning to you both.
Hey, you know, I couldn't wait.
I came in late on the Mickey Dolan story.
Yeah.
Oh, you did.
I was excited to hear about You know the peace plan Hmm Yes, yes that you criticize every day is solving another war as your president We're finding out just how corrupt he was spying on senators and
You know causing wars he watched the war We watched Afghanistan.
Yeah,
and you're worried about this guy after he solved wars seven of them going on eight.
No, he didn't
bring His home and
yes,
you they
waited they waited quite a long time
And I'm sure that there's some kind of deal about Gaza there.
It's true liberal.
Yeah,
what a true liberal What then I'm not
happy.
I got it.
Yeah because
Your sanctuary cities and your president led in 20 million and They're hiding them in the cities with criminals.
We had no
idea that was happening either.
Okay Well, he's solving it.
I know you're taking people who have never Committed a crime in this city or any of these cities who have businesses established businesses for 20 to 30 years and they're taking them out of the country
They're taking people who don't deserve this, who have played by the rules, who have visas, who have been going to their court cases in order to, you know, re-up, do whatever they need to do to stay in this country.
And we're taking them and we're throwing them out.
That isn't what this country is all about and never has been.
Not just throwing them out, locking them up, breaking up families.
That's right.
All kinds of good stuff.
Yeah.
John Peterson, go take your medicine.
I understand.
Yeah, I know we've
got Jim Santel
coming up in just
a few moments.
We're going to talk law and what's going on in this country in the courts
and what's
going to happen in Chicago.
Solve it.
Solve it.
You can't sing along.
What are you doing?
What is this from?
This is a theme to Murder One.
Oh.
It was a great law TV show.
Is it on now?
Oh, no.
Oh, no.
A lot of time ago.
A lot of time ago.
The bald guy.
He used to be, they knew him as a bald guy.
They had a whole bunch of bits on Saturday Night Live taken off on him.
But anyway, this is John and Gordy in the morning.
Catherine Lake filling in for Gordy.
We've got Dom taking the phone calls and at the controls.
And right now is time once again for Jim Santel, Amicus, a law review.
You can hear that on Saturdays.
between 9 and 11 o'clock.
And Jim, you know, this is the most ridiculous, crazy time I have ever seen when it comes to law.
We've got a president who does nothing but go to court.
And Jim is
a former
U.S.
attorney, so you have a really intimate knowledge of how this is not normal time.
Yes.
It's just not normal.
But John Catherine, good to be with you again this morning as always on Thursdays.
I begin so many of my discussions, both public and private, by saying, it's a lot.
And that's my way of saying, you know what?
You're not crazy.
I don't know that any one person, you're not crazy, right?
Exactly.
You cannot possibly digest all this, keep it all straight.
And the events, obviously, as I was
I'm planning to join you this morning, just going on, just to make certain that something else hadn't happened in the last 12 minutes.
I know.
I know.
It overtakes, right?
It's crazy, isn't it?
That's
the issue.
I know.
It is.
It is.
It's a lot.
That's my new catchphrase.
That's my bumper sticker now.
It's a lot.
Well, and
how do you discern between it's a lot of dog whistles versus it's a lot of, oh, oh, oh, oh, this is serious.
Pay attention to this one.
This is the one they're trying to swing by you.
Exactly, and you in your previous segment obviously with somebody who wants to be our next governor, there are an awful lot of dog whistles there about issues that are not significant, they're not animating America or Wisconsin or municipalities around our state.
And then there are things that are hugely important.
And when they're all put in the same plane and thrown together in the same bucket, right?
And
we
talk about them as if one is just like the other.
Catherine, that's exactly the problem with understanding all this today.
And it takes a lot of work to get through it.
It takes wonderful broadcasts like this one, just put it all out.
And
it makes certain that people know what's going on.
Well, that's what we're trying to do here.
And we're all trying to figure out what's going to happen in Chicago with the invasion of the National Guard from Texas trying to get in.
And of course, you know, J.B.
Pritzker trying to save his state from this invasion.
And the mayor, of course, Brendan...
I can't remember his last name.
Brendan Johnson.
Johnson.
Also, you know, making his voice known that, you know, they're not going to put up with this either.
Now, what's happening?
This is going to court today, right?
It is.
It is,
right?
This is, and again, I think it's important, John Catherine.
that the people know about the names of the judges, not because you're going to be doing anything retaliatory or in any direction, but just so you know that the great majority of them are the guardrails out there and they are doing things to keep us safe and secure.
We'll see what April Perry does.
That's the name of the district court judge, P-E-R-R-Y.
She is going to be having a hearing.
She initially entertained this matter about the propriety of the presidents using the National Guard.
in response to protests and immigration issues there in Chicago.
Early in the week, she said, you know what, I'm going to decide today.
Schedule this on, we'll do this on Thursday.
And so big news today, we're coming out of the Dirksen building there in downtown Chicago, what she does.
My guess is she will issue an order fairly quickly and then probably follow up with something in writing, which we can all digest.
But this is big.
And it also comes, of course, in the wake of a parallel, not a universe, very much the same universe in Portland, Oregon.
Oh, yeah.
And there you've got another federal district judge, right?
Her name is Karen Imergat, I-M-M-E-R-G-U-T.
We should know again about the judges who are doing
doing the work to protect the Constitution and our basic, basic liberties and rights in America.
And what she said was, back on Saturday, again, judges work 24 hours a day, as do all of you at Civic Media
as well, right?
Yes, yes.
The reality is that she comes forward and she says, you know what, you can't be doing this.
It's an overreach.
It is not consistent with any of the attempted authorities that the president is attempting to invoke here.
And what happens, fascinating.
It shows what this administration is all about.
She says, okay, so nobody from the Portland, nobody from the Oregon National Guard can be doing this in Portland.
Somebody in the White House on Sunday morning, I assume, Sunday afternoon says, well, she didn't use those magic words.
What about National Guard from other states, like, for example, California and Texas?
I think that's got Stephen Miller written all over it.
Doesn't that sound like something you
would do?
And she finds out about it.
Of course, she went back into court.
Sunday night, this past Sunday night, she has a telephone call, a hearing, formal hearing Sunday night, and she says, you must be joking.
And she basically,
She basically says, you plainly are misinterpreting the intent of my order from 12 hours ago, saying you can't come into Portland with a National Guard.
And she then issues a directive saying, there is no National Guard from any state, any universe, any galaxy out there that can come in and invade here in Portland.
And she bemoans the fact.
that the Department of Justice lawyers are playing this kind of semantic game with her.
And we'll see what they do in Chicago today.
A lot of eyes and ears on that, as you say, as Texas and others have got their National Guard ready to go.
Now, is there a reason why
They were allowed to come up there.
The judge allowed this to happen, right, initially.
And this is the same judge that's taking the case today.
Yes, what she said was, again, here's the other problem, apropos of our discussion before about this happening so quickly.
She gets presented with this, of course, and she says, what are the facts?
I need to have some facts here.
And she does postpone this a bit, a couple of days here, based from Monday to today.
And she says lawyers write your briefs which presumably they filed by 11 o'clock 12 o'clock last night
And what she says in the meantime is, I'm not going to prevent you from doing anything, although it would be wise government, wise if you don't do anything before Thursday, basically saying, I'm not officially telling you you're enjoying from bringing the Texas folks in, but let's be decent about this.
And again, my guess is there will be some fireworks about this today in the federal court, maybe on that issue, but also just generally on this notion.
that somehow there is rebellion afoot in Chicago, and there is insurrection afoot in Chicago, and we need to do this.
That's the larger issue.
And judges can and do make findings.
Judge Emmergut made that finding.
She said, look at Portland.
Our crime statistics are down.
You walk around the city.
This is not going on, Mr. President.
And judges can, in fact, make factual findings based upon the real life on the ground facts and then make determinations.
into the law, which is what Judge Emmergut did, presumably what the judge now in Chicago will do sometime today.
Well, you know, the thing that scares the daylights out of me is that we have
two national guards.
We've got a Chicago or Illinois National Guard, and then we've got the Texas National Guard, and they're going to clash.
And I asked you off the air.
Now, if you could just clarify on the air about what can happen here, can the governor of Illinois demand that the National Guard of Illinois prevent the Texas National Guard from entering the city?
Is that a possibility?
And will that, will that be some kind of civil war?
Right the great questions of our time remember that time Oh say about ten months ago when we didn't have to answer ask these kinds of questions Because we could not possibly envision different life that our federal government would put this in place, right?
And so that is that's not just a rhetorical question a JB Pritzker obviously as you have reported and talked about a great length He is not going to take this and he like Gavin Newsom and Newsom and others around the country saying no mr.
President, you cannot do this.
You do not have the lawful authority.
Judges are supporting that notion that you don't have the lawful authority.
The concern and the reason why you're forced to ask that all-important, horrific question.
Horrific question, right?
Not just rhetorical on a Thursday morning is that we don't know, we don't know if this White House and they have their track record is not to follow, not to follow what federal judges say.
We've got the Attorney General, we've got people like Tom Homan who has his own problems these days.
We've got the President of the United States of America saying judges, who are they?
They don't have power, right?
And under those circumstances, the specter that you raised, John,
about things happening on Michigan Avenue and, and in Kenzie and South Side of Chicago, where I went to school many years ago in Hyde Park.
We don't know.
We
just
don't know.
And, and when one authority comes up against another, both legitimate, both legitimate, but one right and one plainly unmistakably not proceeding on the facts.
That's America in 2025.
And
this could be the plan, you know, to start something major in this country, right?
The insurrection
act.
A, possible.
B, it's also possible.
And I heard this, read this something yesterday, credible news source saying that it seems like the tide of judges making erroneous or not helpful, not
correct decisions.
It's starting to flow back.
We're starting to see enough pushback in that arena, judicial.
Am I crazy?
No, I think you're absolutely right.
And I have to wonder if John Roberts, again, among other five members of the Supreme Court who basically permitted this
president to do all sorts of things as he looks out his window there in Washington, DC.
I wonder if he is part of that, that gosh, maybe we have let this go too far as he starts the new term where things like tariffs on the docket, other major issues related to the power of the presidency.
Let's not forget, he put this in motion.
John Roberts, the history when it's written, he was the one who on July 1st said we need a powerful, muscular, adept, speedy, non-feeble.
presidency and Donald Trump, although he probably did not even read the opinion from a year ago, has done just that.
And who gave him permission to do it?
It's the United States Supreme Court and this chief justice.
You wonder if one day he wakes up and says, gee, my legacy, he's a great believer.
in the supremacy, the power of the presidency, but you'll wonder if, as Catherine has just said, if somehow he's beginning to think, I've unleashed something, this is too much.
Yeah, I think there's even talk of doing away with the judiciary completely on the right.
Right, right.
And Donald Trump...
blindly with he's got this Supreme Court where you know, you do have the lower federal district court judges and everything from These issues we're talking about something as important as firing in a federal trade commissioner commissioner, which a commission commissioner that's saying that twice in a row here
It's the Federal Trade Commissioner.
Gotcha.
And her name is Slaughter.
And she's in front of the Supreme Court now because the lower court said, no, no, you've got no power to do this.
It's very clear.
And you just don't have the authority to do this, Mr. President.
Supreme Court is taking that up.
And why do you take that up?
Because what you're going to overturn, the lower courts, very well written opinions based upon the Constitution, the law.
That's coming out of our Supreme Court probably in the next few months or so.
All right.
All these
kinds of things.
And it is, again, we've learned for the days of less acrimony and this kind of disruption.
Talking
with Jim Santel, you recognize that voice from Amicus, a law review Saturdays at 11.
Saturdays at 9, sorry, 2-11.
You got to hear that, John Peterson.
That's right.
And we've got more.
We'll talk about what's coming up on the docket for the Supreme Court.
John and Gordy in the morning Catherine Lake filling in for Gordy and we've got uh We've got Dom taking the phone calls this morning as well and of course our guest Jim Santel But
before we get there you have to let me do Gordy's job
Oh, that's right.
We have to do the weather and the time.
It's a
solid show here.
It's 7.52 in the morning.
It's 45 degrees currently.
It's going to be beautiful.
The whole week, we're not going to see rain probably again until next week, mid-week, but 60s and 70s all week.
Just perfect fall weather.
Thank you for letting me.
See,
yeah, but no one cares when they listen to a podcast.
You know, when they're podcasting.
You're
right.
You know,
it doesn't matter.
You're right.
Right.
So anyway.
I just want to know, Jim Santel, who does Amicus a Law Review on Saturday mornings at 9.
How do you choose what you're going to talk about on Saturday morning when you have been flooded Monday through Friday?
Absolutely.
So I know this is radio, but for those who are watching on StreamYard, here is my
from this week.
Here is the stack of news
items.
And yes, I know
I'm
on trees here as well.
But it
reams and reams of paper.
And that's through Wednesday, regrettably, right?
And it really is, Catherine, as you said, there is just so much.
And unfortunately, things end up on the cutting room floor as they do for any broadcast, right?
You got to make determinations about what you can address and what you can't.
And hopefully you'll
get some breather at some point.
We don't seem to be having a lot of that these days, but it is, once again, it is a lot.
And it is a challenge.
And to your listeners who sometimes, whether listening to me, you, others, I think, my gosh, how can I possibly keep this straight?
We get that.
We understand it.
Perching nobody, whether you're a lawyer, a judge, nobody can keep track of all of this, the timing of it, and also the ferocity.
of the issues themselves.
They're hugely important.
And complicated.
Yeah, we've got a caller.
Let's talk to Charles.
Charles from Milwaukee.
Hey, good
morning, guys.
I am always amazed when conservatives call into the show and complain about the immigrants that are just coming to America to try to live a better life.
And
how their criminals, when the biggest criminal in the world pardoned 1,500 criminals, and I'm sure a good portion of those criminals that he pardoned are out here running rough shot and getting their jollies off of rounding up family.
Wearing masks.
Yes, right.
Wearing masks that are just here.
trying to, trying to make a living for them
or have been making a living for 20 to 30 years.
Yes.
Yeah.
And then they're, they're rounding up mothers and fathers and not, and not carrying anything about, well, what about the kids that are at school?
What's going to happen when they come home and there's no mom and there's no dad there.
It's unfathomable.
Even.
Even worse than that is just stopping traffic.
They stopped a woman in a truck that had a symbol, I think the flag of Mexico on it, and they stopped it.
They surrounded her truck, dragged her out.
She's an American citizen.
Didn't ask and just said we don't need a warrant.
You know you hear the same comments over and over in these videos We don't need a warrant and you know these people are asking for so it's just it this is happening to American citizens all the time
And that's wrong and no one's stopping it.
And I called on this a long time ago, take the masks off, make these people at least accountable for what they're doing out there and they're unaccountable right now and they can do anything they want.
Now, let's get back to Jim Santel and what's going on in the Supreme Court.
Good luck.
Let's
get, let's get
on topic again.
I appreciate that Charles.
Thank you.
And Catherine the weather was the last happy thing we talked about in this segment and so we're glad we got that out there for our listeners, right?
It's going to be a pleasant fall weekend and now Jim Santel is going to tell
you about
some not happy things.
Supreme Court back in business again, never went out of business as you know well, but their official new term started on Monday.
They already argued three, six different cases, including one.
Just yesterday coming out of Chicago, again, not the issues related to demonstrations and immigration issues.
But this one has to do with what is election day?
And there, an attempt to try to capture all the votes.
Illinois has a law that basically says, if you've got absentee ballots that come in, they're postmarked in time, but you don't count them right away.
You can still count them 14 days after the election.
We want all those votes to count.
Gosh, there's a novel idea, right?
And so some folks come along, we know who they are, and they file a lawsuit saying, no, no, that's in violation of the federal statute and elections clause, the Constitution.
Election day is the only day on which you can count those votes.
You don't do it, those votes don't count.
And yesterday, the Supreme Court entertaining that argument.
We'll find out about that in June.
The other big one in the area of just basic understandings about our Constitution, this one's got me very concerned.
It's gonna be argued next Wednesday.
So again, listeners can listen.
I'm in this, this is Louise.
versus Calais, C-L-L-A-I-S.
You may recall this.
We talked about this in this show a while back.
This was the Supreme Court case where they dropped, kicked it from the previous term.
This was the question of line drawing in Louisiana, and much like we've had here in Wisconsin, and is it constitutional to create a couple of majority black districts?
And there's an allegation that the Voting Rights Act in section two, which is the key portion of the Voting Rights Act since the 1960s, may be unconstitutional because this is in violation of the Equal Protection Act.
clause of the 14th Amendment.
It's a crazy, absolutely absurd proposition, but the Supreme Court's going to entertain that
argument
next Wednesday.
And again, those are just two of the cases.
They did, by the way, again, to drain on the good and happy fall weather report.
They did entertain this argument also in another case just earlier this week on conversion therapy coming out of Colorado.
And the question is whether or not a therapist there who maintains that the ban on conversion therapy, 20 different states, including variation here in Wisconsin, whether that inhibits her ability to exercise her
religious liberties and her free speech rights by virtue of engagement with her clients.
And that's on the docket now.
And we'll see what
the Supreme Court says.
Good luck with that on Saturday with the Amicus Law Review.
That's a lot to do.
Thanks, John.
This was fun.
I'm never doing it again.
OK.
Well, I'm glad you enjoyed yourself today.
It's such a downer day for me.
And I'm going through all this stuff.
And so many things are happening.
It is truly a fire hose of misinformation.
All right.
Gordy's back tomorrow.
Yes.
All right.
Thanks, John.
And thank you, Jim, for joining us.
There's a
Johnny
Gordy
show.
