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Good morning, John and Gordy.
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Good morning, John and Gordy.
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Text us or voice notice or just give us a call and we'd love to have you participate in the program this morning John and Gordy We have Matt Rothschild in for Gordy this morning Catherine will be with us tomorrow morning We're We're in a point here where I was gonna put this whole thing together on Tom Tiffany.
He's trying to act like Trump now
which is just a miserable failure, but I wanted to point that out.
But I have all these stories.
We'll do that again, maybe tomorrow morning.
We can always put that off.
It's not important.
He's just running for governor.
But
you got
Yeah, we have plenty of time.
We were talking about protesting, the effectiveness of protesting.
And I also want to get into something that's really big, that Trump is.
It's like the ace, you know, he's playing it, you know, this is this is the big card.
And we'll get to that in just a moment.
But I do want to finish our discussion on the protests because you brought up a few things that I did not know.
And I'm kind of curious about.
And that is what Frank
France does, they bring the entire economy to a halt, which I think is probably a better protest than just getting out there in the streets.
Now, I think the best protests are the big protests, the No Kings protests.
I mean, when you get these giant protests together, those other protests, I think, are just fantastic.
Those work and those inspire.
Yeah, there are gonna be two million, three million people across the country.
But really stopping the economy is just one of the great ideas.
I am not aware of that.
I think that would be a fantastic way to get our point across because a lot of states now are thinking maybe we don't need to pay the federal government the money we owe them.
And we're going to support our own state and our own people if you're not going to fund it anymore and you're going to cut off all our resources.
So I'm thinking, isn't this a way to go?
Isn't this a better alternative?
Yeah, I think there are a lot of creative, nonviolent ways to resist.
I mean, right now, air traffic controllers calling in sick, for instance.
That's a good way to resist.
And then, you know, Todd Alba often has Trivielson on his show, and Trivielson has done a lot of work in opposing authoritarianism in Eastern Europe.
And he's got a lot of tactics that can be employed.
Wow.
Gene Sharp is a professor at Harvard or used to be at Harvard who has
lots of books out on non-violence, like 150 ways to resist non-violence and oppose authoritarianism.
So it's time to study a little bit, get creative, and find ways that we can, not alone but with other people, usually with
thousands, hundreds of thousands and millions can resist this authoritarianism that's coming down on our heads right now.
absolutely.
And thanks to that text, Larry.
Yeah.
And we also need
We need clerical voices, voices from people of faith.
As Larry is one, I know him well.
And he's been a leader in this.
And there are a lot of people in Wisconsin of faith that are speaking out more and more and across the country.
And so we need those of us who have a microphone or have a platform to stand up and
and yell at the top of our voices, actually, that, look, this is not normal.
Look, we're about to lose our democracy here.
Look, these are things to do, even if Trump invokes the Insurrection Act, that history isn't static.
He's not going to be around forever.
We can't despair.
We've got to act intelligently and creatively and nonviolently to preserve our democracy.
Right.
My wife handed me a picture of, again.
I gotta tell you, Portland's creative.
They are very creative.
I saw a picture where there were ice agents standing out in the street and the protesters were standing next to them dressed in costumes.
which is just a great way to protest.
You know, it brings attention to it.
It's nonviolent and they're not doing it.
They're not blocking anybody.
They're not touching anybody.
They're just standing there in these crazy costumes, you know, animal costumes, superhero costumes, whatever.
And they're just standing there and that's a great way to protest.
Another protest was the ice fishing.
People brought along fishing poles with donuts dangling from the fishing poles and they called it ice fishing in Portland.
Yeah, the donuts were for cops and ice folks who like donuts.
That's the stereotype of police officers that they always are going to the donut shop.
So on the hook is a donut.
So they have fake rods with
a line out there with a donut at the end of the line, ice fishing.
great.
That's old hippy
Yeah, I mean it's now in its 16th year.
It happens in June every June here in Madison.
It's a worldwide thing.
Yeah worldwide thing to oppose the use of fossil fuels and to Salute body positivity.
So that's something that happens every every year in June here in Madison and elsewhere around the
country in the world.
That's right.
And in another hippie kind of action.
And there were some funny memes on Facebook.
ICE goes to Portland and forms a band, you know.
I just want to just find another way for everybody to protest this government what's happening in this government because we've got something really big here happening now and it was put together in a memorandum.
It's NSPM and that stands for National Security Presidential Memorandum 7.
I don't know what 6, 5, 4.
Yeah,
we might have to look at those.
We got to
But anyway, this is the first time in American history that there is a all-of-government effort to dismantle left-wing terrorism according to the administration.
The Joint Terrorism Task Force will disrupt any individual or groups that foment political violence, including before they result in violent political acts.
It's a minority report thing, right?
Trump and his NSPM seven labels are going by indicators and this is how they're going to identify people who are part of This movement this leftist movement that has to be taken down.
It's a network and I Look, I didn't get the memo.
I wasn't told we had a network What about you?
Matt, have you been told about the left network that is out there of antifas?
Well, this is just this did not get the coverage it deserved.
This was a memorandum that came out on September 25th.
It's entitled countering domestic terrorism and organized political violence.
This is where Trump makes
an outrageous accusation that the assassination against him attempts against him and Charlie Kirk weren't isolated incidents did not emerge organically, but it was the culmination of sophisticated campaigns of
targeted intimidation, radicalization, threats, and violence coming from the left.
So this is the way they set it up.
And then, yeah, they're using these joint terrorism task force to coordinate and supervise a comprehensive national strategy to, and I'm quoting here, investigate, prosecute, and disrupt entities and individuals engaged in acts of political violence and intimidation
designed to suppress lawful political activity or obstruct the rule of law and They're having the joint terrorism task force along with local law enforcement to go after and I'm quoting again institutional and individual funders and officers and employees of organizations that are responsible for sponsor or otherwise aid in a bet
the principal actors engaging in criminal conduct.
Well, that is really broad language.
How are they going to define responsible for sponsor or otherwise aid in a bet?
any employee of any organization?
Yeah, they may come after you in civic media.
For
Well, yeah, I know.
We're
that.
And Tom's in
I'm scared right now.
I'm shivering in my boots
Campaign.
I was there for almost...
10 years.
They might go
Or the Progressive Magazine, where I worked for 32 years, or the Nation Magazine, where John Nichols worked.
Yes.
And, and it's not a hypothetical.
I think it's, this kind of repression is coming down.
Well, we've got three more years of this stuff, a little over three more years for them to actually roll out all of this stuff as they, as they have been doing it without, without any kind of pushback.
This is just the most amazing
I mean, we are trying to push back.
I think the governor in Illinois is doing a damn good job of that.
I am very happy with what the mayor is finally doing in Chicago as well.
I'm also happy that Mark Pokan, our congressman here in Madison, is fighting back.
especially on this memorandum.
I just saw something on Facebook that he's speaking out against this September 25th national security memorandum and circulating a letter among other legislators in Congress that they've got to oppose this crackdown that's coming.
Yeah I mean I wrote something for the Reconvobulation Area.
Dan Schaefer posted it on this very subject and I said these are
not only the blueprints for a police state, these are the marching orders for a police state.
And what does anti-Christianity mean?
Are they going to go after Annie Laurie Gaylor from the Freedom from Religion Foundation here in Madison?
That
Yeah.
And we're trying to get them as guests on the show.
Extremism on race, extremism on gender, hostility toward those who hold traditional American views on family.
I mean, these are debates you can have in a family or discussion in a group or at a college.
You can have these discussions.
It shouldn't be an indicator that you're a troublemaker and that you should be arrested or interrogated.
Hostility towards those who hold traditional American.
values on religion, hostility toward those who hold traditional American values on morality.
It's crazy stuff.
I mean, these are such general terms that they could stop anybody and hold anybody up.
Yeah, and how are you defining extremism on migration, race, and gender?
How are you defining hostility towards those who hold tradition?
And hostility is protected under the First Amendment.
We can express our hostility nonviolently.
That's guaranteed, or used to be guaranteed, under the First Amendment of the Constitution.
You know, this is what Trump is doing.
He's going after anyone who, uh, uh, he doesn't like ideologically.
That
Oh, Mr. Farnes will save a place for me.
It's Madtown.
It's John and Gordy in the morning, Matt Rothschild filling in for Gordy today, and Darmath the controls and our special guest in the studio right now, it's Connor Kaloya, owner of the Ford Madison Football Club, right?
That's correct.
All right, and it's a women's football club.
And it's not football, it's soccer.
Soccer, yeah, it's totally confusing.
Yeah, so, forward Madison Football Club is our men's club, just down the block at Breeze Stevens Field here in Madison, but we're excited to be announcing the ringing women's soccer to Madison in 2026.
So, pre-professional women's soccer coming in 2026.
Forward Madison has, you know, been around since 2019.
It's amazing how the community has embraced the club.
Average over 4,000 fans per game, our last home game this weekend down at Bree's Stevens Field.
But really excited to be bringing women's soccer here to Madison.
That's a subject close to my heart because I coached my daughter when she was super young in soccer and I played soccer in high school.
I love soccer and it's a great sport.
So congratulations and what did it take to get this to happen?
Yeah, it's something, you know,
Since we launched the men's side forward in 2019, we knew when we launched that team, we wanted to bring women's soccer here.
And over the last 10, 15 years, pro soccer and soccer at the spectator level in the US has really evolved quickly.
If you look back 15 years ago, there's maybe...
40, 50 pro teams in the U.S.
Now there's about 150 on the men's side.
There's 23 women's pro teams and that's quickly growing.
So we've wanted to do this for a long time.
The game continues to evolve.
We didn't want to be on the sidelines any longer and really excited to have women's soccer here.
We'll launch with a pre-professional team next May in play at Breeze.
And then I think as the women's game continues to grow, we hope to grow with it.
Can I ask you a question that's been bothering me a long time?
I could see it building up How come the United States doesn't have a better men's soccer?
Oh, man, how much time do we have?
No, it's it's it's frustrating and on the women's side with the best The best in the world the best soccer in the world on the women's side is played here in the US.
That's why we're so excited to get in the women's women's side You know without it
It's structural, right?
I think the talent, and I'll try not to go too deep into Iran here, but the talent is obviously here in the U.S.
in any sport, right?
The population base, and we're the best in the world in pretty much every other sport.
But what
I hear is, you know, the best athletes are going to football, basketball, and baseball.
Yeah, and unfortunately, the soccer system in the U.S., the way that it's structured is there are a lot of barriers to entry for kids to get in.
The way that the business has been built, essentially at the youth level,
Unfortunately, the kids that are playing at the higher levels are the ones that can afford it.
And there are a lot of barriers to entry.
And that's something that long-term and locally, and with our youth club here, we recently started a youth club.
We've given away $90,000 in scholarships this year.
We need to work to lower those barriers of entry.
We need to get more kids playing the game.
And the US should be at the top of the world in soccer.
I know we haven't played it as long in some other countries.
But we definitely have the talent here.
We just need to build that infrastructure and system to develop that talent.
My kids took soccer in high school and in middle school as well.
But I always thought that there wasn't a good talent pool for coaches.
They weren't really that dedicated.
They didn't know too much about soccer.
At least it seemed to me.
And I thought maybe my kids weren't really inspired to keep playing the sport at all.
And I think that was the big problem that I had with soccer.
They just didn't teach them to be a part of it.
There was something missing.
I don't know what it is.
Do you have any idea why we just don't have the right kind of talent pool, helping kids in schools?
Yeah, I think in so many ways it's still a developing sport.
Um, you know, it's, it's, if you look at pro soccer in the U S, uh, at least stable pro soccer has been here for 30 years.
Uh, you look back, uh, you know, I was watching NHL opening night last night.
Some of those teams have been around for a hundred years.
Packers been around for over a hundred years.
So, um, in a lot of ways, if you compare it to other sports, it's relatively new in.
That newness means that it's developing in a lot of ways.
And not just from a player perspective, but from a referee perspective, absolutely something we need to continue to do as a sport is grow that pool and grow the coaching pool.
And there has been a lot of growth in the last 10 years on the coaching education side of things, but that...
needs to continue to develop.
And it's big in Dane
County.
I mean soccer for young girls and guys is big.
I mean, Redden is a huge soccer field where there are a lot of tournaments all the time and their leagues, their higher level leagues than just the casual leagues too.
So it's still a booming thing here in Dane County, isn't
it?
Yeah, it's growing rapidly, one of the fastest growing youth sports.
As you see a shift in youth sports post pandemic, more than 20,000 kids here in Dane County in the region playing soccer.
So, you know, we see great potentials.
We look to the next 5, 10, 20 years.
It's absolutely going to continue to grow with the World Cup, especially coming next year.
I think that'll get more eyes on the game coming to the US.
But it's continued to develop.
And it's our job as the pro team and down to be a part of that development and support that development and really lead in that.
Yeah, you don't.
As a person who makes their living, owns a business, and takes it seriously, tries to win, it seems a little odd that your business is growing due to this essentially kind of like a... TV show and Apple TV.
Yeah, a skit of a football, American football coach making it soccer.
But yeah, I think, welcome to Wrexham, Ryan Reynolds' story, Ted Lasso.
the World Cup next year.
Those who are all getting the casual fan and hopefully, you know, getting their eyes towards soccer.
So those are all good things.
We'll take it.
We'll take it for sure.
Well,
congratulations on bringing the team here, bringing women's soccer to Bree Stevens.
I hope you packed the stadium.
Yeah, we're excited.
The earlier reception has been great.
We're over 700 season ticket deposits.
Great corporate support.
And we don't kick a ball for 10 months.
So we're working with the community right now to develop the brand of the team.
We've been doing focus groups and meetings.
Appreciate you guys having me on and look
forward to keeping in touch.
Yes, guys.
Good
morning.
You know, my wife.
Here we are again.
My wife saw Leonard Cohen in Milwaukee in one of his last concerts.
Said it was the best, one of the best concerts she ever saw.
Well, that
Yeah, he had to tour at 73 or whatever he
Yes, that's why he kept
Touring is because he had to make some of that money back something to live on and retire on So he didn't retire.
Yeah sad story outrageous to lose every dollar that you have Wow, I mean he was so incredibly successful through the years and just one of the one of the great poets of all time absolutely This is John according on wimdx 19.7.
Ah, we are here in the radio stations still yeah
Trump hasn't taken us out and put us in a FEMA camp or whatever, a detention center.
But if we do make it there, we'll have portable broadcast equipment with us.
Our special guests each and every Wednesday morning is Mike McCabe from Substack.
And how are you doing, Mike?
Good.
Good morning, guys.
Hey, you had a book signing last night here in Madison.
How'd that go?
I did.
It went well.
And it was live streamed.
So got got some additional audience aside from
what we had in the tavern.
It was at Managua Brewing Company's Madison Taproom.
So it was... That's not a big place.
It's not a big place.
So it was kind of an intimate setting and hoisted a few brews and talked about the book, but also talked a lot about politics and whatever else was on people's minds.
And the book is Miracles Along County Q. It is.
It's a good book.
I read it myself.
I really enjoyed it.
You know, you're talking about cultivating hope a lot.
That's one of the things you talk about.
And how do you do that in this particularly dark time?
Well, I think a big part of what we have to keep in mind as we go through all of this is that prior generations experienced this kind of stuff before.
And people have
have gone through this and found light at the end of the tunnel.
And that's such an incredibly important thing to keep in mind when it seems so dark.
And for many people, it seems hopeless.
We're not encountering something that hasn't been encountered before.
And we'll get through this.
It won't last forever.
And I think one of the really important things is for us to not succumb to the hate that we see around us.
We're constantly being invited or even compelled to be at each other's throats.
And we have to leave the door open for people who have fled civil society to come back to civil society.
who have embraced hate to give up hate and to come back to community.
That door has to be left open.
That's such a crucial piece of this as well.
You know, they don't seem impressed by the left, their attempts to try to get a message across, to try to come across and work across the aisle a little bit.
They seem very content with occupation and military occupation, thinking that they are.
gaining some kind of security.
One of the questions I got at last night's book signing was how do you tell people politely that I told you so?
Now that grocery prices keep going up, the price of housing keeps going up, and the tariff seemed to be wrecking the economy, and nothing seems to be working well here.
How do you how do you tell people I told you so and
what was your answer there?
And I said I don't think it makes any sense to say I told you so It doesn't get you anywhere and I went even farther than that I said, you know, I I've traveled paths in life that have made it possible for me to have literally thousands of conversations with Trump supporters and and my conclusion is that it makes no sense to
to go into those conversations with the intent of changing their minds.
They have to evaluate and they have to deal with all of what's happening and the fallout of the decisions that are being made for themselves.
They have to sort through that and they're gonna have to come to a different form of thinking on their own.
So the best
thing I could do
is show them some empathy.
You know show that I understand the struggles that they're going through ask some questions prompt them to to think and to continue to think through these things But always leave that door open for them to come back to civil society and I you know they they went there in the first place they took this detour toward authoritarianism because
things weren't working for them they were frustrated as hell they were thinking this just is not working and and my way of life is now seriously threatened i want to blow stuff up i want to i want big change and i want it now right but when they i think with time they'll come to realize but that's not getting me the change that i was hoping for and
And I think there will be a time where more and more people look at the soybean farmers.
They can't sell to China right now.
They backed Trump big time.
And yet now they're in a position where they can't sell to their biggest markets.
And it's killing them.
And they'll realize, wow, I want to change.
This isn't what I had in mind.
And there will be opportunities for them to continue to reflect and make up their own minds that this isn't what they want or need.
And we can't have so alienated them.
By calling them stupid by saying you're idiots and all of that kind of stuff We can't have so alienated them that they are not willing to come back to the the broader American community again and and rejoin civil society.
Well, I'm not gonna apologize for having idiocracy on this station We point out some of the inconsistencies and we hope that I think
along the lines of what you're saying, we hope that some of these things connect.
And when they hear something they didn't know or maybe object to because of what they've been told on their side of the aisle, maybe it conflicts with what they're also being told on that side of the aisle
about
Hey John, far be it from me to tell people how to run a radio show.
This isn't my business, but what I can say,
is that when I've had the most success in conversations with Trump supporters, it's been when I was able to find something in common with them, whether it was the kind of work they do, hey, that's what my dad used to do, or something about their lives, where they're from, where they've got family, when I could find some sort of common ground, that personal connection,
helped immeasurably.
And so often those conversations would end with them saying, you know, I don't agree with a lot of what you said, but you seem like a decent guy.
Right there is a little crack in the cement wall that's been built between
us.
Yeah, I think that's really important, Mike.
to make, I think we need to resist saying, you know, all Trump supporters are all Republicans and making these really broad generalizations.
Now, on the one hand, if
a type of Trump supporter who has a Nazi tattoo on their bicep, I'm
not
going to spend a lot of time with that person because that person wants to kill me.
But there are so many other people who voted for Trump who don't have Nazi tattoos on their arms or not flying Confederate flags on the back of their pickup truck.
A lot of people
recognized that the system was rigged, as you're saying Mike, that it's not working for them.
They were either going to be for Bernie or for Trump.
I've heard that from so many people, Matt, where people said, I could go Bernie or I could go Trump.
Right.
And not in the middle.
And a lot of people... It's just that
they're sick of politicians and sick
of politics as usual.
Exactly.
Now, people who think left to right, who think about liberal and conservative, that makes no sense to them.
How could you support either Bernie or Trump?
They're on opposite ends of the spectrum.
You're
area again.
Exactly.
They're thinking who's on top and rigging the system and controlling us and it got us under their thumbs and we're here being screwed over and we want change.
The other thing I said last night at Minakwa Brewing Taproom was my experience is limited.
But it is thousands of conversations with Trump supporters.
And one of the things I said is that is that I have yet to meet two who are exactly alike.
Every Trump supporter I've met is unique.
And they've gone through many different doors to reach him.
They came for very different reasons.
And they don't all have Nazi tattoos.
And some of them are just working.
Working people are farmers or whatever and they and and they're they're seeing a way of life Vanish before their eyes and they're scared to death about what their kids are gonna do for a living and how they're gonna make it in the world and And yeah, so many of them said I could go Bernie or I could go Trump and and so if they could go Bernie If that if he had been an option for them and they could go that way, I'm not gonna close the door to them.
I'm not gonna say
You're hopeless.
I don't want to talk to you anymore because I could see them making quite a movement, moving quite a distance away from Trump eventually when they decide, no, this isn't working for me.
it.
It's not working.
We're
All the promises, all the things that were miraculously going to get better haven't gotten better.
Making it more personal or putting it on a personal level is a mercury Taylor green
who recently came out with an incredible comment.
I don't have it with me today, but she is saying, let's negotiate this healthcare deal about the ACA and restoring those tax credits because, and then she brought in her family.
She was saying her family can't afford healthcare.
They need these tax credits.
That was her reason for saying, let's stop this shutdown and agree to at least put these
elements in place because it's affecting my family.
And she brought up family members, making the argument better than most Democrats have made so far.
They have never brought up their family members.
They just say, well, we need to restore these tax credits.
Bring in your family.
Tell us why.
Right?
And so many people, when I bring up Marjorie Taylor Greene, they'll say, she can't be sincere.
because they haven't agreed with anything she's ever said or done before, doesn't mean that you can't be open to the possibility that you might agree with her on something at some point in the future.
You gotta leave that door open.
You absolutely have to leave that door open because she'll experience things too, whether it's her own family or people that she's talking with in her home state.
She'll realize, hey, this isn't working for folks.
And maybe we need to pivot a little bit here.
And I'm one of those people who I never have agreed with Marjorie Taylor Greene on much of anything.
But when I heard those recent comments, I thought there is at least a hopeful sign.
That's right.
And she broke with Trump on Epstein, too.
That's
correct.
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right?
October 18th.
Check out where the protest is nearest to you.
There'll be a big protest here in Madison.
Great protest planned all across the state and all across the country.
We need to show Trump.
that he's not going to be allowed to impose martial law on us.
And if he tries, that the people are going to resist.
And we've got a few topics here.
I want to bring up first the idea of having opposing views on the show.
And that's why I enjoy talking to CJ and getting his point of view where he's at, finding out what
The right is actually thinking and why they think the way they think.
I'm fascinated by it.
I'm absolutely crazy about it.
CJ Texas saying that Bernie indoors, uh, mom Donnie, and that is true.
Uh, he did.
Um, but again, you know,
We got to hear different points of views.
That's the whole thing.
And I wish we had, you know, more, uh, Megas listening to the show and calling in and, uh, giving us their point of view and trying to at least find out if there's any kind of connection whatsoever between what we can agree on, what we can't agree on.
Okay.
Now we have Lee out in, I believe it's cottage Grove, the Grove.
Uh, it's driving me nuts.
He says that she's not speaking out, Marjorie Taylor green, uh, up on these issues until.
directly impacts her and that's the problem with American voters.
Some care about everybody and some only care about themselves and how it affects them and that's pretty much how it goes.
Yeah I mean until it really hits home a lot of people aren't going to change their mind because they're we're in such different camps right now and to to get out of that
a very tribal way of looking at things is important.
you.
A book club reached out to me, a member of a book club reached out to me and said, our book club wants to read your book.
But when we do, it would be great if you would come and
meet with us so that we could discuss it with you and ask questions.
And I said happy to, and I was assuming that they were referring to my novel, which came out very recently.
And he also thought that it was my novel.
And so we set up a time, give them enough time to read the book, and then I would meet with them.
He gets back to me and he said, I'm really sorry about this, but actually, the club wants to read an earlier book of yours on screwing America.
And I said, well, that's five years old.
And he said, yeah, but people who've read it said that it speaks to the current moment so well.
And it's so relevant to what we're going through right now that we want to highlight.
And I said, great, let's do it.
And they read the book.
And then we had a wonderful discussion.
This book club is on the larger side.
It's probably 25 people.
Some of them will be five or six.
members, but this was a relatively large book club as book clubs go.
I had a wonderful conversation about the here and now, what's going on in our country, and what that book says about so many of these struggles.
And what does it say?
How does it relate?
Well, you know, I really was writing about experiences in 2018 and 2019, and of course, you know,
Trump was president at that time in his first term in office.
And I was just really writing about all the people I had encountered, ordinary folks from around Wisconsin and the struggles that they are experiencing.
And those struggles, if anything, have only intensified.
And people have grown even more desperate.
over time, but basically mapped out how I think common working class Americans have been screwed over and how we might unscrew the country.
And I hadn't really thought about the book for a while.
I was busy writing a novel and then getting it published.
And so it was interesting taking that trip.
back down that memory lane.
I think there is a lot that is applicable, and the thing is, is that if anything, the threats have intensified, and the conditions that led to a second Trump presidency
have intensified.
Well, what piece of advice do you have for us then to unscrew us?
Perfect.
Oh, the book goes through many chapters of various dimensions of American life from how we deal with technology, how we deal with the new media landscape, what we should be doing with schooling, education, how we need to attack economic inequality,
how we have to deal with the rural urban divide and the many other divisions in our society.
So yeah, it's a multi-dimensional problem.
And so there need to be multi-dimensional solutions to it.
Chapter after chapter sort of takes each dimension and tries to spell out what.
what we might be able to do.
Book Club liked it so much and loved the conversation so much, then they decided to read my novel next.
So I got a two for one deal out of that book club.
You're getting royalties, John.
I'm actually going to be speaking tomorrow to the participatory learning and teaching organization.
Where is that?
For short, known as Play-Doh.
giving a talk titled Beyond Politics, and they have a place called University Woods Arts and Education Center out at Oakwood Village Complex on Mineral Point Road, and that's at 1.30 tomorrow.
It is a free talk, and I will be selling and signing books afterwards.
Free parking, no need to register, so guests are welcome.
how to get there.
Yeah, if anybody wants to
come and join the conversation in person, you know, tomorrow at 1.30.
Matt,
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