Canine Conundrum (Hour 2)

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Canine Conundrum (Hour 2)

John & Gordy · Tue Oct 7, 2025

Kathryn Lake

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fear the Reaper a song obviously redone in parody form that was retweeted by Trump and the lyrics now the time has come here the power is gone Russell is the Reaper he wields the pen the power in the brain here comes the Reaper Dems you are babies here comes the Reaper gonna tie your hands here comes the Reaper well

it's

always a very positive message

Why are Trump fans and vote pushing death and violence on their people?

I don't understand.

What a weird message.

Strange.

Okay.

All

right.

Well,

we got a text here.

Oh, yeah.

Trump was ringing the bell in that rather odd AI video.

Trump should remember the bell tolls for thee as well.

Need

more cowbell.

Good point, man.

More cowbell.

It was sounding great, but...

I could have used a little more cowbell.

Yeah, there you go.

Yeah.

Seven minutes past the hour.

It's a cloudy start this morning.

We had some rain earlier.

It looks like most of that's out of here.

We'll see some sunshine mixed in with the clouds and highs around 65 today, right now, 53 degrees.

All right, we got another

text from Scott.

Democrats in Congress should start a bill where we remove Antifa monuments from the United States.

to show how ridiculous this whole thing is.

Let's name some Antifa monuments to remove.

This whole fabrication that every protester is now Antifa is absolutely absurd and so stupid, but you know, it's actually working.

All the magas are talking about the protesters now as Antifa, which is pathetic.

But I don't know where are the Democrats on this one?

We really have to stop that.

And so much for wishful thinking.

You know, target ridiculous, you know, it's don't fear the Reaper, a parody song.

Well, now Benny Johnson, he's a right wing.

Podcaster and he has found a way to get clicks for his website because now he's going after Netflix the cartoon characters Who are coming out as transgender in this cartoon that was canceled but?

two years ago, kids don't care, and if they did, parents need to answer some questions.

The kids really don't care about transgender, whether they come out or not, whether they're in the cartoons, whether they're a character in the cartoons, they just don't

care.

It doesn't matter to

them.

It really does not.

But anyway, Benny Johnson wants to boycott Netflix so much for free speech, right?

Congressman...

Tim Bershet, this guy's crazy as hell.

He came up against Netflix too and the executives.

Really?

He was talking to a lot of these executives in Congress about all of this, this sexualized transgender show with young kids as viewers.

Let's listen to this is Tim Bershet at these hearings.

This is unbelievable stuff.

Enjoy.

Would

you be in favor of?

the Netflix leadership being asked to sort of testify over this, around sexual

ideology.

Every time we're on, I always say I'm going to do something that makes news.

Here's what I want to do on this one, because the First Amendment and all that.

All that stuff.

Let's get on it.

I'm going to follow up with my folks after we get off and we'll call them and say, which committee?

can may be brought in front of is who I think what we have to look at who regulates the FCC and then since it's cable does that count I don't know I don't know enough about it but yeah

yeah

they need to be brought

in we need to find out

what their agenda is and why they're pushing this stuff because from what I understand that little cartoon is apparently the number one rated

cartoon they have on their show.

I haven't seen it.

It looks kind of like claymation or something.

No,

no, it's not.

You know, I said something about it and immediately immediately the left pounded on me and said something about, oh, you're just upset because it's a racial family.

You know, and and I know some gay folks and they are getting a little more ticked off about the transgender situation.

Oh, they are getting lumped in.

That's not their fight.

I don't think that's their fight.

They need to pull off all that garbage.

And because, you know, they got their win, they got their marriage thing going.

And nobody cares.

Everybody's looking for a fight.

And nobody.

I live in East Tennessee and nobody cares.

Nobody cares.

And yeah, so

I live your

own dad gum life.

Just I always tell people, don't put it in my face and don't tax me.

And that's all I care about.

Right.

That right there is recruiting.

That is grooming.

That is

That is the worst of the worst because they're taking young minds and they know they can do that.

So in what happens to those young minds, they're introduced to transgender individuals and that's not a good thing, I guess, somewhere.

According to him.

Of course, he doesn't want it in his face.

As long as it's not in his face and he's not taxed, he's okay with it, except now he's not okay with it.

This grooming thing that they keep coming back to, that's all they think about.

In response to that, here's a response from one of the individuals.

This is pure political theater, Netflix showcasing trans characters, isn't evil, it's representation and inclusion, non indoctrination, dragging private companies to Congress for diversity in programming is an overreach of government power and a waste of taxpayer money.

Thank you.

There you

go.

Thank you very, very much.

Hey, let's go to the phones.

Joe is on the line.

All right.

Good morning, Joe.

Go ahead.

Well, I did, I did want to indicate that, uh, you know, every, um, conventional system comes with an off switch.

So if you really

don't, there you go.

They don't have to watch it, you know, and if you're a good parent, you won't have the kids watching it.

Yes, it's remarkable.

There's an

off button.

There is a solution.

I

did.

You mentioned Tim Burchett, the Tennessee Congressman, and it was ringing a few little bells.

And I just wanted to add to the picture that Tennessee Congressman Tim Burchett believes that extraterrestrial beings may inhabit five or six underwater bases off the US coast.

In a discussion with UFO researcher, now get this name, Red Panda Koala.

Oh, I don't

know.

He mentioned that Navy personnel site high speed underwater crash that can, that exceed conventional submarines.

And he said these entities could have been remained hidden in the oceans for thousands of years.

So

that's Tim Gershed.

So let's take advice from

Tim and his

underwater alien bases.

Well, what is that red panda?

What was the last

one?

Koala.

Koala.

This guy,

it

sounds like this guy is looking for a little hug or love.

Yeah, yeah.

The alien entities,

you know,

are just getting him a little spooked.

But,

you know, I highly recommend an off switch.

You can always go to an off

switch.

Good point.

Thanks

for

that reminder.

Appreciate that call.

6-0-8-8-7-9-8-2-5-5.

Well,

you know, while we're teaching kids about transgender individuals, Stephen Miller would like to teach kids about how to love America.

Now, this is grooming as well as far as I could see.

This is cut 72.

Cut 72.

72.

Children will be taught to love America.

Children will be taught to be patriots.

Children will be taught civic values for schools that want federal taxpayer funding.

So as we close the Department of Education and we provide funding to states, we are going to make sure that these funds are not being used to promote communist ideology.

For any nation to be successful, it cannot teach its children to hate themselves and to hate their country.

So these are a few of the areas in which President Trump has fought the cancerous communist woke culture that was destroying this country where we led to believe that men were women, that women were men, the racial discrimination was good, that merit was bad, and that safety and physical security mattered less than the feelings of liberal ideologues.

Okay, well, you know, it really came out hard against the liberal left.

in that statement.

And all I can say, you know, if we're communists and we're trying to destroy the country and we're all terrorists, I just want to say that Stephen Miller sounds just like a Nazi.

Okay.

That's

Nazi talk right there.

So yeah, there

we go.

Back atcha.

I just can't stand him.

Let's go to Dick on the line.

I need a break.

Okay.

Good morning, Dick.

What do you got for us?

Good morning.

Real quick.

I think you guys should be ashamed of what you did to CJ before you got his talking points yesterday.

Really?

Yeah.

I thought you were fair journalists until that, but off topic, but onto Miller.

Yes.

This supposed interview that CNN did with the president.

That's some scary stuff because it's done all by a text back and forth and he's given.

How do you know who's behind that?

phone texting back.

You don't.

Right.

So it's not an interview in any sense of my, you know, I tell my kids, I very rarely text people.

There's a lot left out of the equation, especially if you're the president and you're talking to a reporter about something, you know, you don't have voice and play, you don't have a lot of things in a text, but you truly have nothing when you don't know who's texting you.

It was probably Miller

that

was texting back the messages to CNN.

I know.

Yeah, I had that same kind of suspicion as well.

You know, he's he's the guy that's out front right now.

Yes.

Yeah.

He's the spokesperson

seems.

Yeah.

Could be.

All right, Dick.

Good theory.

We'll look up on that.

We'll try to find more if we can.

All right, let's go to a question to Caroline Levitt here.

This is cut 71.

Levitt really thinks nothing is wrong with having military occupation.

Let's listen.

If

the courts allow you to ultimately send in the National Cardinal to Chicago and Portland.

Do Democrats not have reason to be concerned that there are long-term plans by this administration to keep U.S.

military or the National Guard in American cities like what we're seeing here in Washington?

Why should they be concerned about the federal government offering help to make their cities a safer place?

They should be concerned about this.

They should be concerned about the fact that people in their cities right now are being gunned down every single night.

In the president, all he's trying to do is fix it.

And there has been a complete smear campaign by the Democrats and the media, quite frankly.

I was reading political playbook this morning, one of the most inside the Beltway newsletters you can find.

And you guys are framing this like the president wants to take over the American cities with the military.

He does.

The

president wants to help these local leaders who have been completely ineffective in securing their own cities.

Well, okay, I I don't think she understands how uncomfortable people feel having the military on their sidewalks and streets of their cities and towns

Well, the president isn't really supposed to send in the military unless it's an emergency and there's a national, you know, exactly lisha that's called for You know all the governors don't want the military coming in and

You know, they can call up the National Guard if there's really an emergency.

They can do it in, you know, in their states.

It's this weird thing.

They think that they have the solution to stopping crime altogether.

You know, we've got Tom Tiffany running for governor and he's angry about a crime that took place outside of fraternity here in Madison saying we've got to take control of this.

Seriously, if he's governor, we're not gonna have that happen anymore.

There's no crime whatsoever in the state if he becomes governor.

What are they talking about?

They're just outrageous and Tom Tiffany is trying to be the next Trump.

I call him mini-Trump Tiffany because he is jumping on this bandwagon

of fear.

Coming back with more of John and Gordy on WMDX.

Kathryn Lake

There's no way out of this.

No way.

We're trapped in our own country and and the big orange blob is hanging out

in the White House 722 We have cloudy skies this morning.

We'll see sunshine along the way cool temperatures all day mid 60s this afternoon right now 54 degrees Brittany Merleau is on vacation.

I'm going to step in here and it's time for Uncle Gordy's weather trivia.

Oh, yes

Every ready for this.

Yes.

All right, John.

Wow.

Dom, here's the question.

Here's the trivia question for today.

From the

former weatherman.

That's right.

20 years in the weather business.

And this is what I came up with.

Trivia.

At any given time, any moment in time, how many storms are in progress on the planet Earth?

Is it 1800?

18,000?

180,000.

Any moment in time, how many thunderstorms are happening right now?

180,000.

All over the

earth.

I'm just gonna say that before I forget the options.

I'm thinking 18, right?

1800?

1800, yeah.

18,000.

18,000.

18,000.

That's your answer.

That's my answer.

What was your answer?

180,000.

in any

moment

in time.

I'm Mr.

Doom and Gloom.

180,000 storms going on

all at once.

The answer is 1,800 storms are in progress right now across the planet Earth.

So you got

it right, Tom.

Yeah.

Oh, I said 18,000.

Oh,

well, then you got it wrong.

OK.

OK.

Just 1,800?

Yeah.

And every year, get this, throughout the world, every year, 16 million.

I don't know if that adds up 16 million 16 million

I

think that adds

the

whole year well if you if 1800 any moment in time so you got to translate it okay

that's our weather trivia

question for today look

to the link solder

all right 725 coming up in about 10 minutes here we're gonna talk to Liz Johnston from Serenity Pet Spa

Stopping

by that's right.

You're taking the calls, right?

Dom all the the list of monuments commemorating Antifa

Making a list, right?

Oh, yeah, I really don't have too many but We want to go after Let me see that mouse by the way.

Oh, yeah, the mouse.

Oh trying to scroll up a little bit there, but we know we need a system where

We can both get to the scrolling device here so we can check out the messages.

Never mind.

Where

are

we going to get seafood after Trump kills all the fishermen?

It's from Doug in St.

Francis.

Thank you for that.

And maybe... Maybe they aren't alien, but...

Atlantian.

Yeah, yeah.

Maybe they're just living under there and they've always

been there.

That's right.

Okay.

Prince Namer.

Tim, if they're so worried about murders in big cities, why not fund more police instead of sending in the military?

Which is something we've been complaining about on this show for what?

Three decades now, right?

We've been talking

about it.

Yes.

And she said, Drumpf was offering help to cities.

Ah, he is doing it at gunpoint.

That's right.

Now let's uh you know speaking of that uh Trump is okay with using the insurrection act and this is cut 73 which is kind of a shocking thing and it sounds kind of flippant so I think he wants to do this and there's a reason why they're talking about insurrection all the time everything they talk about is insurrection

yeah

not protests insurrection which is the wrong word anyway let's listen to what Trump had to say

Well, I'd do it if it was necessary.

So far it hasn't been necessary, but we have an insurrection act for a reason.

If I had to enact it, I'd do that.

If people were being killed and courts were holding us up or governors or mayors were holding us up, sure, I'd do that.

I mean, I want to make sure that people aren't killed.

We have to make sure that our cities are safe.

All right, see we have to

make sure we have

to

and I

think they're I think he's working up to it.

I

think so

all the cities

all the liberal areas

Yeah, and and Steve Steven Miller.

That's something on this.

Let's listen to this is Scott 75 again Stephen Miller wrapping it all up talking about insurrections and court judges.

Let's listen

No, it's simply a factually accurate statement that when a judge

assumes for him or herself the powers that have been relegated or delegated by the Constitution to the President that that is a form of a legal insurrection.

And we have seen...

No,

we have seen over the last nine months a ongoing legal insurrection.

in which district court judges, as they class in many cases, have issued, which might have been overturned so much, have issued rulings that are flagrantly unlawful and unconstitutional.

And it is an insurrection against the laws and constitution of the United States.

And we need to have district courts in this country that see themselves as being under the laws and constitution and not being able to take for themselves powers that are reserved solely for the president.

One more

question.

He's actually referring to the Supreme Court decision where they actually came out and said that these judges are acting like executives, taking some of the executive power away from the president, which is just a weird way of describing anything.

I can't believe the Supreme Court justices are judges and they're coming out against all the other judges in the country.

Every one of them in the country, they're going after.

Now, a judge had blocked the Trump administration.

And Tim Miller was, Stephen Miller rather, was talking about that.

And this is, in Miller's response to this judge's decisions was claiming that judiciary is shielding terrorism and that he should be dismantled, or this should be dismantled, the judicial system.

Really, I'm not getting.

And the next day, the judge that put this block on the Trump administration, her home blew up.

In a fiery blaze.

Oh, yeah, that was unbelievable.

Yeah, there's video on that.

Yeah, that's huge.

Amazing, right?

Yes.

What a fire.

I mean, it was engulfed.

So they're attacking judges now, perhaps.

We don't know.

It might have been a gas leak, but

we'll find out.

And the judge's husband broke both of his legs jumping out the window.

That's right.

Yes.

OK, coming back with Liz Johnson from Serenity Pet Spa, next.

WMDX 92.7.

It's gone and gory in the morning.

It is 735.

We've got cloudy skies downtown over State Street, and we'll see the clouds breaking up for sunshine highs today, getting into the mid sixties.

right now, 54 degrees.

Tomorrow on the show, Mike McCabe will join us.

I'm going to be gone for a day or two tomorrow.

That's right, you're

not going to be

here.

That's why I said I'm going to be gone because I'm not going to be here.

Thanks for

letting me know,

right?

Right on the spot.

No need to worry, John.

Matt Rothschild will be filling in tomorrow.

And then Catherine will be filling in on Thursday.

Thursday.

So everything's all set.

We got a text here.

Stephen Miller reminds me of Barney Fife, weak, stupid, but just enough to be dangerous.

Thank you.

Thank you.

That's a good comment.

Absolutely

true.

Yes.

All right.

Very good.

And.

And

since Antifa is simply an acronym for anti-fascists and their troops in World War II, we're fighting the fascists by definition.

Anti-fascists are the Republicans proposing to tear down monuments honoring World War II heroes.

There you go.

Well, it's taking it one step

further, Mark.

Thank you.

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It is 7.36 and it's time for us to welcome in Liz Johnston from Serenity Pet Spies.

Good morning, Liz.

Good morning, guys.

Good to have you with us.

Good to be

here.

Yes.

And Serenity Pet Spies with three locations around Madison.

They are internationally award-winning grooming salon.

And what's on your mind this time of year for pets?

What kind of surprises have you seen so far?

We've been talking about, John's pets are all, they're shedding their fur.

Yes, they're doing that.

We talked a little bit about this last time.

Yeah, they're doing that

shed, getting ready for the winter coat.

Now it's really kicking in.

Is there anything you can offer for suggestions?

Well, I feel like all the

dogs are confused this year because it was like 80 degrees last week.

So

nobody really knows what's happening.

The

top's still off my Jeep.

I don't know where we are.

Is it going to be a double shedding?

It

might be a little bit of a weird season.

Yeah.

But I feel like this spring was kind of the same way.

Like I couldn't decide when it wanted to get warmer, colder, what was going on.

So

is there anything you could do or should do for your pet to make them more comfortable or just let it happen and brush them off every day?

Yeah.

I mean, and I wouldn't necessarily even brush every day.

Really just getting a consistent schedule of getting it all out in a bath, like, you know, about once a month, once every six weeks, something like

that.

We're losing some of that warm weather here.

So if you're doing it outside, you know, with a hose, that's something you could certainly try.

But I got a question for you.

We want to brush our border collie.

And she's not really a fan of being brushed.

I bought a brush with the little nubs on the end of it.

Oh, yeah, that's her use.

One of those.

That's her use.

Now, let me just describe it.

It's just like the short.

Brush with the sharp pin like needles on it.

It's but they don't have pin like needles on it You just have a little nubs on it.

Is that effective?

No So the issue the

issue is

so they started putting those pins on it

rather than just selling a higher quality brush.

So your higher quality brushes, when you touch the end of the pins that are quote unquote sharp, they don't scrape.

Like you can brush your own hand with them.

So like we sell some in

our

salon that's like, you can brush your own hand with it and it doesn't hurt.

So it was like they solved the cheap like rugged, you know, jagged pin problem that was cutting dogs by putting a ball on it instead of just getting a polished end.

and a softer brush pat.

But yeah, those balls on the end, it just makes it so that the pins can't get through to the base of the coat as well.

No.

You're being treated by the technology.

My

favorites are the ones with like that on one side that look like a human hairbrush and like the bristle on the other

side.

I hate those.

I hate those brushes.

They're completely useless.

I have no idea why they're so... I know.

I feel the same exact way.

But here's the thing, you know, with those kinds of brushes, you mentioned, you know, the pin-like brushes, but they polish the ends on it so they don't scratch.

Yeah, the higher quality ones are not as scratchy.

They're more of a polished end.

So they're not breaking and damaging coat and skin.

And then they also, they're just a little softer pad.

So

like

the padding has more flexibility that it's actually on.

And so it's softer when you're brushing the dogs.

So like a higher quality, it's like, yeah, you're going to spend a little more on a brush, but it's also going to last you longer.

Those

like cheap brushes at the common pet store, they die within like a couple uses.

So these ones are made for groomers.

So they're used to getting a beating.

So

they're used to brushing, you know, 15 some odd dogs a day.

So they'll last you years at home.

Does

that help you at all having the owners of these pets brushing their dogs on a regular basis?

And then when they take them into your spa, that it's easier to maybe clean them up, get them ready for winter?

Yes and no.

It kind of depends if they're good at the brushing.

And it's also, it's a reason why we require rotation because it's like once you get past that like two months without a bath,

it

doesn't matter how much brushing you're doing at home.

That dog is dirty.

It's full of dandered.

code isn't coming out anymore and it just, it needs to get in to get a good bath.

You've scared me right there.

I am

so,

my dog is so bad.

Oh man.

Now I know you have a lot of regular customers that you've had for years probably.

Yes.

Oh, I was just looking at one the other day and I was like, wait, how old are

you?

I've been

doing this to you since you were a puppy.

I think she's like 10.

And I was

like, how'd you get so old little girl?

You

know, literally

attached to him.

So what do you recommend as far as how often people should bring in their dogs for

grooming?

Most dogs every four to six weeks.

Yeah, at least

for like a bath, nail trims, those nails grow fast.

There's some people that go the eight weeks and for a lot of dogs, it's fine for if they're like a short haircut or a short hair dog.

But I find just to keep the nails done, the ears clean.

a check like overall their spot check on health because we can see lumps and bumps and things that you can't find.

It's just some of our best are just they come in like regularly in a perfect world.

Everyone just comes and visits me once a month on a rotating schedule and everything's easy and the dogs are always clean and the owners never have to brush them at home at all.

That's my perfect world.

As far as temperament of dogs, which are the easiest ones and which are the more difficult ones?

I don't want to generalize.

But really the ones that come in every

the more often they come the more used to it They're thinking like you know think of like your toddler going to a new environment versus somewhere that they see every week They see their same friends.

They know the people so they're better behaved because they understand what's happening So so yeah, but no, it's not really it's not really dog.

There's not like a certain breed.

That's good.

Okay

other, there really isn't.

It's just, it's, are they on a consistent schedule?

Are they a well mannered dog?

Are they a well bred dog?

So they have a good kind of mental head on their shoulders, raised well as a puppy, started grooming as a puppy.

So they're used to the process.

Those are going to be the best.

Is there a certain type of dog that isn't, that doesn't shed that much, but still it's not a super short hair.

Is there something sort of in between that you can get?

I mean, you have

your like low shedding dogs, any of your, the poodles, obviously.

are great, Portuguese water dogs are great, Spanish water dogs, Otterhounds, there's a lot of purebred, low shedding or no shedding dogs out there other than getting a doodle that can have a lot of health issues.

I'm gonna make a lot of enemies with that phrase.

They

are

wonderful

dogs, but

they are

not

free of health

issues.

I'm looking for a dog.

He's looking for a dog, but one that he doesn't have to take care of at all.

Oh, yeah.

No, just get like a really, really short, short, short-haired dog.

Yeah, because that's the thing the trade-off you don't want shedding you're gonna have a lot of hair to cut off

and it

doesn't if it doesn't

fall out Yeah, yeah, what

kind of

dog do you have you have to

15

dogs?

Okay, whoa,

okay?

We have acreage and we run around and we do things okay, yeah

It's fine.

Luckily

I don't have

a grooming salon because grooming would get really

expensive.

All right, Serenity Pet Spa, $15.

All kinds of breeds.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, because I have my grooming competition dogs.

So because of how many competitions I go to and

they

are a year, I have two for each class that I compete in.

So

that's six dogs right there.

And then

I

breed collies.

So I have my collies that I breed and show and I have like seven, seven of those.

So between retirement age down to like three months old.

You have kennels for all these dogs.

They all sleep.

Yeah.

We have like

kennel runs.

We have like, I

have

12 foot runs and they pretty much are in there, you know, during the day.

And then they run on a big acreage.

all day when I'm home and

do you understand the psychology of Border Collies at all?

Yeah, yeah

John needs to

have a

conference with you.

You

would never own one.

They're too smart.

It's dangerous.

Smart dogs are dangerous.

I like

my regular colleagues that are kind of pretty and dumb.

Like they're just like sweet and happy to be with

you and do whatever you

want.

Those like smart dogs are like, you're stupid.

Like they look at you like you're dumb.

My poodle does that sometimes.

Poodles are

like as

smart as I want to get.

The

first one owned me because I wasn't prepared.

Now I'm a little more prepared.

Okay.

Serenity Pet Spa, three locations.

Yes.

So we have East Park.

That's our East Side off American Parkway.

We have our original store, Nodana Road.

And then we have our new location.

We call it Middleton.

It is far west.

It's on a junction road.

So.

Okay.

You're out at the far west.

Yes.

I'm nowhere.

I don't, I don't think this skin, but, but no, I was

saying

like, um, holidays are, we are only like seven weeks from Thanksgiving.

Um, if you don't have a holiday appointment for your dog, you better be calling your rumor because it's getting real scary.

Okay.

And you can go to serenity pets, um, Madison.

Yeah,

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was going to challenge you to taking my border collie in, because I'm really afraid I'm a scared.

Keep

saying.

Keep saying.

I am a scared, and this would be a test.

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All right.

Always good to see you, Liz.

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See you next time we're out.

That's Liz Johnson from Serenity Pet Spons.

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Thank you, Liz.

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And again, phone lines are open.

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All right.

Well,

let's get to something kind of fun.

Yeah,

I don't

know.

There is a debate.

going on.

The guy is, he's a podcaster, Parker get a job.

You can tell that his parents were telling him to do something other than just talking on the internet.

Parker get a job, but he, he, he's a lefty and he talks to righties all the time.

And I just thought this conversation is so frustrating and so ridiculous that you just have to listen to it.

Okay.

All right.

So let's put it on.

Cut 56 here.

And he supports science, by the way.

He doesn't.

He said the climate was going to start cooling in science just doesn't know it yet.

He said that windmills are causing whales to die and numbers never seen before.

He said that Tylenol usage during pregnancy causes autism, which there's no evidence indicating any of those things.

That's a health issue that has nothing to do with science.

That does have to do with science.

What is science?

Health and science is not the same thing.

What is good for your health is not the same as science.

He was denying the science about what

is healthy for Americans?

So, yes, when I was talking about his stance on health, it was related to him denying science.

I do have to clarify that first.

None of that stuff.

None of that stuff is correlating to science.

Yes, it

is.

It's just an

opinion.

What is science?

It's not a health issue.

You said something about Tylenol, and then you said something about windmills.

What does that have to do with science?

What is science to you?

Are there scientific studies on health outcomes?

health outcomes rely on studies for medication, what is causing something, and what is going to be helpful for someone.

That has nothing to do with windmills or what the reason why we need for climate change.

That has climate change.

None of that has anything to do with science.

That has something to do with climate.

Yeah.

Climate science has nothing to do with science.

I totally agree.

Climate science.

So so now we're changing the subject again.

So we was talking about climate change or climate windmills or whatever it was.

And now we're talking about climate science.

OK, so yeah, the climate is how something to do with the weather.

It has something to do with it.

Climate weather are

different.

And the seasons and things of

things of

that

kind.

Climate does not have to do with just

the science.

So again, we just want to add, we just want to know if you even know what science is.

I know.

OK, so you and Ross.

The process in which we use to expand our

world.

That's Parker again, trying to tell a guy that there is science involved in just about everything we have.

Medicine, climate, whatever.

OK, we'll come back and wrap things up

after this.

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the sun allows.

Oh, yes.

Well, we're positive, positive.

Music

here as we close

off the

program.

Right.

752.

Yeah.

And, uh, Stephanie Miller is coming up next.

Let's get to a few texts here.

Okay.

We've got your, uh, neighbors who wanted

to chime

in.

Yeah.

Uh, know that Steven Goebbels Miller.

Yeah.

Of

course,

it's starting to shift all over the place here.

Was still riding the school bus at 17.

Oh, is that right?

Who rides the bus?

They're senior year.

No friends, maybe?

Hmm.

Creep.

Steven Miller.

Yeah, I did not know that.

Okay.

And of course, that last cut that you heard, Matt chimed in and said, haha, science is an opinion.

Sums up the mega nicely.

I know it is incredible.

What a frustrating interview that must have been.

All right.

So let's get to, uh, let's get to, uh, Kat Abou and, uh, she

is an

Illinois congressional candidate and married to onion CEO Ben Collins.

All right.

And she talked to Jen Psaki the other night about the violence and brutality of ICE at their facility in Chicago.

I want to get this on right away because it's a couple of days old.

Um, so it's freshness date is, is arrived.

This is what Gen Z.

is all about.

And I tell you, just listening to her is very energizing for me.

Let's listen.

Chicago has long been one of Donald Trump's favorite targets.

At this point, it is frankly difficult to keep track of all of the ways he is trying to intimidate that city.

I mean, just today, the Trump administration announced that it plans to claw back $2.1 billion in federal funding for Chicago's desperately needed

infrastructure projects.

In the early morning hours on Tuesday, agents repelled from Blackhawk helicopters and reportedly broke down people's doors, pulling men, women and children, some of whom were naked, out of their apartments, separating families.

Those families' belongings, everything from shoes to toys to food, were ransacked and thrown into piles in the building's hallway.

Democratic Congressional candidate Kato Gazzale has been taking part in those protests and was thrown to the ground by ICE agents herself.

You can see it right on the video there.

Earlier today, she spoke at a press conference outside of the Broadview facility.

Can you just describe how the situation there has escalated over the past couple of weeks?

This facility is where anyone that is abducted in the Chicago area probably ends up.

They're held in inhumane conditions.

Every single week we have seen one-sided escalation from ice.

We come with songs and chants and signs.

They come with tear gas and pepper bullets and flashbangs.

They have started abducting protesters into the facility.

They have started arresting press for doing their job.

I have watched them target press multiple times.

They tell families that are trying to deliver medication to their loved ones to leave before shooting them with pepper balls.

They have tried to drive vehicles through protesters multiple times.

This is a war zone, except it's a one-sided war.

It is ICE agents in masks.

We don't know who these men are.

We don't know what they're allowed to do.

We don't even know what agency many of them work for.

And they are just allowed to brutalize anyone that they want.

All the things I just described don't compare to what is actually happening in that facility.

Yeah, I think Christine Ohm should have consequences.

I think she should be tried at the Hague.

What we are seeing from her operation are crimes against humanity.

They should

What I really want to stress to people is that none of this is normal.

It is not normal to have masked men repelled down from helicopters into apartment buildings to arrest families in the middle of the night.

That

is not normal.

Today we were corralled into a free speech zone and I'm not a big fan of that term because it implies there are areas in the US that are non free speech zones, mainly everywhere else.

It is ISIS responsibility.

to respect and uphold our rights.

It is not on us to accommodate them.

And it's not on us to accommodate Kristi Noem's racist fascist agenda.

Canada because I'll never hold back.

I really appreciate you taking the time tonight

and

speaking out so forcefully about such an important issue.

That is really good stuff.

It was on Jen Psaki showing MSNBC.

Wow.

Yeah.

Yeah, and that's Gen Z energized as hell and more power to him.

It's not going well in Chicago.

And yeah,

it's driving

trucks through crowds.

And the thing is, you know, when when we see the conflicts on the street between the protesters and ICE agents

or the

National Guard, it's really it's really not the protesters who are causing this.

They're not.

attacking these individuals, it's the guard and it is the ICE agents who are trying to push these people around.

And when you push people around, they have a tendency to maybe just push back a little

bit or whatever.

And then suddenly if somebody does fall or something like that, then the agents swarm around them and arrest them.

And that's my observation.

That's where I see all of this.

The conflict is really caused by the government and the ICE agents and the National Guard because they're just pushing people back and sometimes they fall, sometimes they are not being able to be pushed back because there are people behind them and it just gets to be a scuffle, a mess, and then people get arrested falsely.

It's

just... Pepper spray and rubber bullets.

And then of

course...

the attempt by the administration now to portray everything as Antifa.

And again, we're looking for the Antifa statues and monuments around the nation that were put up in the last two centuries.

Don, what do you have to say?

I gotta say, I'm just as nervous.

I live really close to Chicago and I don't even want to go to that city now because of this stuff.

And

it's scary to me.

I'm sure it's scary to everyone, but whenever I have to go home, it's scary.

That's right.

That's right.

It goes.

And I just want to say to Troy, you know, we can't pull this thing up on our computer in front of us.

We really are curious.

We're going to click on that.

We're going to find out what that is.

We will look into that and probably talk about it tomorrow.

I'd appreciate it.

That's going to do it for us for today.

Mike McCabe will join us tomorrow.

I'm going to be off Matt Rothschild.

We'll be sitting in and I'll be back on Friday.

Katherine's going to be here on Thursday.

Filling in well watch

the sparks fly Because we have Mike McCabe who used to be a head of the democracy camp right Wisconsin democracy campaign and Ross child used to be as well

Yeah,

so we'll see if

they agree in anything.

Have some fun.

All right Stephanie Miller's next so

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