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Yeah.
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October 30th.
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Okay.
You know what they're leading up to.
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That's John Peterson talking there.
I'm Gordie Young and Dominic Lee is in the producer box.
Good morning, Tom.
How are you?
Good morning.
What a crazy start, John.
I was not expecting you to go all out like that.
No, I wasn't either.
Shooting from the hip again.
Yeah,
I'm doing
good though.
Thank
you.
Yeah,
you're doing all right.
You doing any line dancing last night?
No, you're gonna ask that every single day.
Yeah, he says he's giving it up.
I swear I am.
For a week.
Yeah, no one takes picture of me out in the wild, me doing it.
He can talk big while his girlfriend is out of town.
Yeah, sure.
But once she gets back, it's line dancing all over again.
I'm nervous.
Okay.
A little bit later on, we're going to talk to Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils.
He'll be joining us, fully-ledded education talk.
And Jim Santel, attorney at law.
Yeah.
We'll talk about the legalities of whatever's going on today and yesterday in Trump world.
It's
insane, it really
is.
Some guy was in this country for like 20 years, here legally, by the way, and he's been held for a long period of time.
Can't remember how many hot 100 days solitary confinement now they're going to ship them out He's done nothing wrong.
He's been here legally again and they decided he runs a small news service and he was reporting on immigration and and the tactics being used and they decided to silence them and Hold them up and then now ship them out for no reason.
Where was he working?
I believe in Florida, but I didn't mention that because I'm not really
sure.
So that's happening, and that is a horrific example of what's going on in this country, and I guess the attempts to silence the
media.
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Practice drills and so yeah, I'm just I haven't
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I have a big complaint again.
What?
I'm just, I'm just stacking them up this morning.
And you can blame Elon for this.
This was a big innovation.
Man is a genius.
What did he do?
Well, he wanted to hide the door handles on his cars.
You know where I'm going with it?
They're well hidden.
Like this morning, I went out to my car.
It's dark out there.
I don't know why the light wasn't shining in the parking area, but it wasn't.
And I'm like,
jabbing the door with my hand, trying to find the door handle, because you have to push one side of the handle in, in order to the other side to spring out.
Oh, God.
I am not a big fan of these door handles at all.
You
don't like the space car door
handles?
They're awful.
And, you know, they came up with this idea for Tesla.
And they did it because it cuts down on the friction.
As you drive.
Oh, sure it costs is
Too much fraction.
I'm sure that's a big factor.
It's a huge factor when we're driving to work.
Those door handles stick out a little bit.
That really slows you down a lot.
I know.
I keep thinking about that.
So it really doesn't make any sense in the practical world at all.
And in the practical world, it's tough to push the damn door handle in.
Sometimes you push it in.
You don't realize the car is locked.
And then you have to.
push it in on the other side, which detects the fob in your pocket, and then it allows the door handle to open.
Yeah, I'm just done with this.
I'm done with this.
And you know what?
I am not the only one, and this is
the
point of what I'm talking about here.
China has these fantastic EVs.
They have decided to abandon these ridiculous flush-mount door handles
that you have to
push in and out.
And they thought, you know, it's ridiculous to think how much, you know, surface area you're saving from friction.
You know, they also can't comprehend what the point is.
So they're getting rid of it.
Yes.
Please.
Oh my God.
You know, now, well, I've got the car now and there's nothing I can do.
I
never realized door handles were that big
of a
deal for people.
They
aren't and I remember when we went to the brewers game you you drove me I tried to open the door and I couldn't figure it out It took me like two attempts.
Yeah, I just I gave
up Yeah, and we went to a movie the other day.
Yeah My wife and I and my older son once I didn't go
But so we get out of the car and we're walking to the theater and then we notice that Cole is not there.
He's the 26 year old.
We look back.
You left him in the car?
And we're standing there waiting for him.
I wonder what the hell, because he does this, he really does stuff like this.
You know, what is he doing?
You know, we're standing and standing there.
And it's the child block.
He couldn't get out.
The trail lock was on.
I don't know how.
I don't know where the trail lock is.
I didn't know it was on and he couldn't get out of the car.
That's sad.
Yeah, yeah, that's that's weird.
So you went back and got him or just leave him in there.
Well, this is crazy.
I went up there and I opened the door very easily.
No problem.
But he can't open the door.
Wow.
And he's angry.
He's really don't don't don't you know, you know, it's not.
No, I have no idea.
I didn't even know where the child lock
is, you know.
So anyway, that's that space car is really got the space.
I
mean, they really worked out all the bugs on the thing.
It's
been a while since I've been able to charge the car at my house.
In fact, it's never been able to charge at my house.
I thought you had
the charger
all
set
up.
Ready to go.
It's coming.
Actually, in the 14th of this month, the electrician is going to install my at-home charger where I'm saving a ton of money.
It's $2,000 to install the damn charger at the house.
Wow.
Yeah.
It's a little pricey.
$600 for the device itself.
So I'm saving money.
Hand over fist.
I don't have to buy gasoline anymore.
That's great.
Oh,
good.
Well, thanks for the update.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Anytime.
How the windshield wipers are they working?
OK.
No, they're working fine.
OK.
They
sense the rain.
Yeah, I know.
Yeah.
How do they do in snow?
Do they sense the snow?
I don't know
what's going to happen with that.
OK.
By
the way,
it'll probably prevent the door handles from moving.
Maybe.
Do you watch the Cubs game yesterday or is your wife
watching
Cubs?
No, no.
Okay.
Cubs and the Padres, they're all tied up at one game apiece in the wild card
playoff.
Wow.
Riggly.
Geez.
So last game.
I got goosebumps.
Yeah.
This deciding game is this afternoon, later this afternoon.
Oh,
really?
And this will decide who
moves on, who moves on to take on the Brewers Saturday.
So what is what is a wild card round?
What does that even mean?
Oh gosh, I'm I don't know There's they're
okay.
Well is your teams on on the bubble
Yes.
And they get to play each other.
And then the one that wins moves on into the playoffs into the playoffs.
And
that's happening
in
the National League and in the American League.
Even I know that.
And I don't know anything about sports.
Yeah.
It's not a big fan of baseball.
So
today we'll be deciding game between the Cubs and the Padres to
take on the Brewers.
Whoever wins today.
I got my fingers crossed the Cubs win.
Yeah.
Because it's going to be a piece around my house.
Yeah.
Wow.
All right.
Oh good.
That's a little update on.
on the Cubs and
the
Brewers.
That's what happens, right?
Oh,
yeah.
I think it'd be great if the Cubs win, then it'll be the Cubs taking on the Brewers
in Milwaukee on Saturday.
Unbelievable.
Starting
with
the playoffs
there.
Imagine that.
Yeah.
It's 18 minutes past the hour.
Tim Slecker will be joining us in about 15 minutes.
Yeah.
And of course, in our seven o'clock hour, we'll fire up the go for the green and gold text win contest.
Got that happening today and tomorrow is the last day.
Yeah.
So,
you know, just a few moments we're going to get into, you know, this thing about health care, you know, health care for illegal immigrants.
JD Vance came out and kind of got into the details a little bit more about that.
There aren't a lot of illegal immigrants getting health care.
In fact, none.
But there are reasons why some
who are legal immigrants are getting some health care, but that's a very, very small percentage.
And they're throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
That's what they're basically doing.
Just to get these, the small percentage, they want to throw it all out
for everybody.
All right.
We'll get started with that in just a moment.
It is coming up on 20 minutes past the hour.
We're just getting going on this Thursday morning.
It's John Peterson, Gordy Young and Dominic Lee coming right back.
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Slowly but surely, you know, technology marches on.
It's gonna be a beautiful day, mostly sunny skies, highs and low 80s.
Right now, 54 degrees, John.
Do you have your WMDX Samsung watch fired up yet?
I do, yes.
Check out the sunrise time for us.
Yeah,
sunrise 656.
Okay.
Just wait till it passes the seven o'clock mark, right?
And then we'll celebrate.
Uh, Sunset is at 6 36.
Oh,
okay.
Just in case, you know, there
you go.
Write that
down.
You want to start that evening party outside.
Okay.
Good enough.
Set off the fireworks that you didn't set off during July 4th because you were depressed about current administration.
People still set off fireworks.
I mean, it's pretty much a year round thing.
It is it is you never know what kids they find them and they yeah, you know they want to shoot them off
mark Texted it and he said in the words of Alfredie Newman.
Yeah, what me worry Trump is probably pissed over these stuff.
He said years ago.
Maybe that's that's why he's acting like Donald one channeling George the
third
Yeah, Trump said years ago that any president that couldn't you know avoid a shutdown when you know That's on him.
Yeah, that every president should be able to figure that out That's coming back to
haunt it really is you know everything was so perfect You know if he were president it would be perfect,
but
he's proving to be an absolute incompetent.
He hasn't been able to end the wars
And he's found out that Putin doesn't agree with him on a lot of things.
We kind of knew that, you know, as everyday citizens out here walking around the sidewalks of our great cities.
We knew that for some reason, but he didn't know.
What can you do?
All right, let's get to J.D.
Vance kind of clearing things up about their objection.
to giving healthcare to illegal immigrants.
Now, they're not getting healthcare, okay?
They're legal and they get a small percentage of the healthcare benefits that Americans do, but it's a very, very small percentage.
I want you to listen to the very first thing he mentions as an outrage.
We shouldn't be giving these illegal immigrants, well, you won't believe what he's about to say.
Check it out.
This is a Democrat talking point.
They say we're not actually trying to give health care benefits to illegal aliens.
And here's why it's not true.
There are two Biden era programs that explicitly gave the taxpayer health care money to illegal aliens that we turned off when President Trump took over in January.
My hero number one is there's a lot of emergency health care at hospitals that are provided to illegal aliens.
That was funded by the federal government.
We turned off that funding because of course we want America.
citizens to benefit from those hospital services, not to be taxed, and then to have those hospital services go to illegal aliens.
Okay.
Sorry.
So if an illegal alien is is in a traffic accident, the serious one, they're battling injured bleeding.
Yes, they can't go to the emergency room and no one can treat them.
Yeah.
Um, you know, for some reason, it just
Strikes me as something wrong.
Yeah, you know, I mean there's something horribly insensitive about that Yeah, I mean that's what they're there for that's the whole
point we have emergency
yes, and it doesn't matter who's Who's in in need of the emergency room you take care of them?
That's the whole point now if we're gonna turn people away who are seriously ill
or have been in an accident, that is just unconscionable.
I can't even wrap my
head around that at all.
I really can't.
So that's his big complaint.
Wrong.
Let's check that one off.
Let's continue with the cut.
The second of which is that the Biden administration gave mass parole to millions upon millions of illegal aliens, and then they simultaneously made those parolees eligible for healthcare benefits funded by taxpayers.
In the one big, beautiful bill, President Trump and Congressional Republicans
turned off that money to healthcare funding for illegal aliens, the Democrats want to turn it back on.
And in their initial proposal, the first thing that they put out to reopen the government, they actually turned that money for healthcare benefits for illegal aliens back on.
So it's not something that we made up.
It's not a talking point.
It is in the text of the bill that they initially gave to us to reopen the government.
It's preposterous for them to run away from it now.
But look, let's set that all to the side.
Let's open up the government.
Let's negotiate.
Okay, let's just stop it.
I
just want to get to the point here, undocumented immigrants, currently the law bars undocumented immigrants from receiving most healthcare benefits.
Only notable exceptions can go to the emergency room for treatment.
This is not healthcare coverage, but by the way, when they take care of these immigrants who are going to the emergency room, the hospitals are reimbursed by the federal government, but it is not.
part of an insurance package.
They aren't insured.
It's not a right that they have.
They go there, the government reimburses the hospital.
It's a reimbursement, not an insurance coverage.
We got a text here that says there must be an ER doctor out there listening who would say no way they would turn anyone away.
They
don't, but they can't.
Yeah.
The Hippocratic Oath.
Right, right.
So immigrants are lawfully present in this country and they face a five-year waiting period for Medicaid and CHIP, which is gone now with the big bad bill.
So there are just a little nuances about all of this.
Of course you notice that JD events did not talk about the supplemental
Tax credits that are given on the ACA, which is the main major point for tens of thousands of Americans who are going to lose their health care because they can't afford the monthly premium.
That's the point.
He didn't cover that.
Mm-hmm.
There you have it.
He did that purposely.
Yeah.
It is 29 past the hour.
When we come back, we will talk to Dr. Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils.
It's all about education.
Next on John and Gordy on WMDX.
Beware of the blob, it creeps and leaps and glides and slides across the floor.
Right through the door and all around the wall.
A splotch, a blotch.
Be careful of the blob.
WMDX 92.7, that's the new nickname for Trump on the show.
A blob.
A little blob, yes.
He's got to start working out, you know.
Pete Hankseth is on a roll here.
He wants everybody to be fit and trim and no beards, a whole shooting match.
Macho men, that's what he wants.
And, and Trump is, you know, the commander in chief.
He's got an example.
The presidential
fitness thing.
You
don't remember the Kennedy years?
That's why I'm fit today.
Thanks to John F. Kennedy.
There you
go.
All right.
It is 635.
And it's a cool start this morning.
54 degrees highs in the low 80s.
Time for us to welcome in Dr. Tim Sleckers.
We do every Thursday morning.
Tim, good to have you with us.
Yes.
Good, good morning.
Yeah, I just completed my 25.
sets of 25 push-ups.
Oh, you know, ready to go.
I was going to say, you look pumped this morning.
Yeah,
I forgot to shave my beard, though.
I've been thinking really hard about making sure that I have the right mental attitude that, you know, now that we have a department of war, that means that's true.
You know,
well, you have to be very manly in the department for it's one of the requirements,
you know, none, none of this, um, you know,
men wearing dresses.
I think that's, yeah, no, none of that
fuzzy stuff.
No, no, you know, looking back
here, I just, just a note here.
The presidential physical fitness fitness test was actually started by Dwight Eisenhower.
Yeah.
1956 and then discontinued by Barack Obama in 2012 and then reinstated by Trump in 2017.
Yes, he brought it back.
Yeah, I mean, come on.
You can't you can tell by
looking at him.
I know.
I know.
Okay.
You know, when you consider golf a physical fitness thing, you got problems, man.
Look what it does to you.
This guy is blot moving around the grassy greens of his golf course.
Yikes.
Okay.
Well, hey, let's get to some educational stuff here.
And, uh, and I think this is a, uh, a case in point.
This is the best example we have of conservative education and that's, and it's in Florida.
Where else would it be?
We're talking about the new college that was taken over to the liberal arts college that was taken over by, uh, uh, uh, DeSantis and, uh, it's not going well.
So fill us in.
This is a great story.
You brought the store attention here
Yeah, well, you know, we this has been going on for a while and I did was saying before that, you know, remember Christopher Rufo You know, this was the the the guy I he's gone silent.
I don't know.
I guess maybe he's plotting his next
Yeah,
takeover of something but he really led the charge on this because he had been putting out and saying like hey look these colleges again, you know
really indoctrinating students.
There's woke policies.
There's no education happening.
He
came out against CRT.
He started that whole thing that doesn't even exist in K through 12.
Then he went on to the new school.
Just to set this up.
New College is part of Florida's public higher education system like states have.
So like the University of Wisconsin system, schools, those are public higher education institutions.
And what does that mean?
Well, tax money goes to fund those schools.
And so they targeted New College because New College had its own kind of an identity.
It was a liberal arts
college.
And so, you know, they, there was a special school where students who went there really had a sense of, you know, more of studying the humanities, the arts, more of a trendy or progressive type of school.
And
They targeted that school as an identity, you know the school of you know incredible identity of woke indoctrination was occurring there in so many ways and so this Rufo using DeSantis They actually did a full takeover of the college Got rid of most of the administrators there and installed their own administrators Because this was going to be the shining example of what a
not a conservative bastion of intellectual freedom was going to look like and You know prior let's just set this up prior to the takeover Florida spends about because remember taxpayers help fund public higher education about $10,000 a student Well now that we're a year in new college
The state, the taxpayers of Florida are now funding $140,000 a student.
wait it was it was ten thousand dollars per student a year and now it's a hundred and thirty how much hundred and forty thousand
thirty hundred thirty four
thousand dollars per student i think that's an increase that's it seems like it yeah inflation or what and
with that money the the graduation rate is declining what um which which is interesting so conservatives have all
been very much on the you can't fund away problems
that's right you know
like you know geez these kids are failing they're not graduating and all you Democrats want is more money to fix the problem well 134 thousand dollars a student
And the graduation rate is declining.
And maybe on top of that, more and more students are not choosing to go to the new college.
So enrollment is down.
I don't know.
Is this what you consider a success?
Well,
I wouldn't.
No, it seems like they got some big problems academically.
Well,
I
mean, you know, they're not teaching wokeness anymore.
Well, I'm sure that the legislature in Florida is a little angry.
I mean, spending big bucks on this.
This is not a good thing for them, especially, you know, at that cost $134,000 per student.
Holy jeez.
And set that straight to what that that that's not the tuition that students are being asked to pay to go there, right?
This is the funding support from the state of Florida tax, you know taxpayer money to support the students and so the idea that that amount of money is being
Put forth and really what's happening is saying like we need this money to kind of Keep the support of the the college so that it keeps going now if you read this this is the potential We're talking about an article that was in on in inside higher education I'm kind of looking at this and going oh and so the solution now is to Take the college and make it private
Was that the plan all along?
Yeah.
Was, you know, again, to do away with public higher education, you know, did we create a disaster so that we could now say, look, we're telling you, public higher education doesn't work.
It needs to become private.
Yeah.
I'm reading here, it says 20% of the ranking criteria, according to them,
is broadly suffering from negative reputation among their peers, whose leaders take issue with the conservative agenda the Santas has imposed on colleges and universities.
It says here, this guy has changed the ideology of higher education to say, we're teaching how to think, not what to think.
And we're being peer reviewed by people who think that's absolutely horrendous.
No, not us.
Wow, it's I mean, so this is Yeah, here's an example and going so that you know, I put this out to anybody is this what you would like to see public higher education becoming With the government that entangled into the identities the politics the curriculum Because this is what you get and so hot
Higher education is supposed to be in this form of what we say, you know independent academic freedom Because the pursuit the teaching the the the whole idea of becoming educated is supposed to be free from government intrusion Last I checked that was a very strong conservative principle Freedom from
government intrusion
And it saves money, you know, without government requirements and things like that.
Well, that didn't work out either.
And then of course, you know, they're accusing DeSantis of the, of making this his own project and he's term limited.
So once he's gone, this is in the lap of the legislature at that point, paying these huge, huge tuition, well, not tuition, but costs per student, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
talking with
Dr. Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils, and we want to move on to another topic that you wanted to mention here, Tim.
I'm having fun talking about this failure by Ron
DeSantis.
Well,
they're calling that a Ponzi scheme, almost.
I mean, they're
likening it to that.
now.
Are they?
Yes.
All right.
Hang on.
Let me go back here.
It's it's they're saying students keep leaving so they have to recruit bigger and bigger cohorts of students and then they say the biggest class ever because they had to backfill all the students who have left.
So yeah, that strategy is not really working.
No, it's not
working.
Well, and yeah, they're they're spending a lot of money recruiting.
The other thing what what they really did was, you know, again, this was a private
Or not private but but a liberal arts college, you
know
a more it's got a trendy type of focus and one of the other things they did is, you know, let's bring in, you know
a lot of men's athletics changed
the flavor of the
college.
Well, that costs a lot of money.
And it doesn't necessarily attract a lot of students because it's kind of like, you want to come play football at new college?
Why?
But the thing is, they could have just started their own.
College and I didn't have to take over a college right take an existing one
Well remember what this was early on too was is that they were trying to say is that this was going to be the the Hillsdale of the south?
Yes,
that's right.
Yes,
you know
this was going to be the Hillsdale College of the south and You know I said maybe though that is the the intentions to take it private and then make it truly You know the the Hillsdale of the south whatever that means.
It's you know, it's it's a mess
It's, to me, it really is.
This is truly, I believe, government intrusion in higher education should be, and going back to a very conservative principle, we should actually all be saying that actually was a pretty good idea to try to keep government intrusion out of the process of what it means to be educating the public.
They're not giving up on meddling with private colleges either.
I believe that
Trump is now requiring a lot of these private colleges to sign an agreement in order to get federal funding at this point.
They just sent this out.
It's a new executive order.
Well, actually, you know, there's the other story.
And if you guys are following that, you know, we've been talking about Harvard, right?
You
know,
Harvard has been the and so it looks like for Harvard potentially to get the money that they're saying there is a deal brewing with another $500 million payout.
I know we're coming to commercial for what?
Well, maybe that's something
else
we should be talking
about.
And we will continue that conversation with Dr. Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils with John and Gordie after
this.
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And it talks.
Yeah.
So what's what is going on with Harvard and their funding?
Well, so so Harvard in to get their funding.
given back to them, um, that, you know, all of the federal funding and grants like that, um, Trump is, is getting, you know, he's the deal maker and, uh, looks like they're very close to a deal, um, with a $500 million Harvard will, um, create trade schools.
Wow.
Yeah.
Trade schools.
Trade schools.
Yes, and I'm actually so what to you know, according to the president and these are his quotes.
He's like, I guess we reached a deal with Harvard today.
So we'll see.
What you have to do is paper it, right?
Linda and quote is what Trump said to Linda McMahon paper.
Yeah, you got to pay for it.
And, you know, because they are
Again, quote, quote, close to finalizing it.
All right.
And it is what they would say the president is describing it as a series of trade schools that would be run by Harvard.
Wow.
So you'd have a
Harvard education being a welder.
Yeah.
Well, or carpenter.
Yeah.
He he said.
They'll be teaching people how to do AI and lots of other things engines lots of things Lots of things Yeah, that's
pretty broad
There's there's so much so you know Harvard is I yeah, you know, it's so I'm a
Harvard educated welder.
Or carpenter.
You were talking
off the air about being an Harvard educated
carpenter.
Yeah, just thinking about what this is going to do on the construction site.
So the tradespeople are going to be showing up in their Harvard sweatshirt, kind of creating a.
All this clicking that's going to now be happening, you know, it's like, there goes a Harvard guy.
And you'd
be
asking the wood, you know, what do you prefer to
be?
Yeah, yeah, well you can you can tell right there that crown molding was done by a Harvard You know and then with that, you know, so the cost of construction, you know, we have 30% of our trades people are Harvard educated
Yeah, I don't know what this that well, but here it is.
You know, this is This kind of you know, Trump saying like look I want you guys to give me $500 million and we'll set up trade schools and if you do what I'm telling you we'll give you your money back So again, you know, what is this this idea of leveraging a deal?
But yeah, I mean, you know, we should put out some feelers to see if we can get the Secretary of Education on to see how the papering is going.
Yeah, that's a
great term.
I never thought
about that.
Is there like a wallpapering event that is going to mark the conclusion or the finality of this deal?
You know, maybe it's a wallpapering of the West Wing.
Yes.
Maybe by, you know, in fact, the Interior Design Trade School
put together by Harvard, we can bring in the Harvard-educated interior design students to paper something.
Well, they've got all that gold now in the Oval Office, and now they get the Harvard designers in there.
That's right.
And they can upgrade the
gold leaf on the paper work.
Yeah, gold leaf wallpaper.
Yeah.
Yeah, those are things.
I gotta I gotta wonder now too that you know parents right there thinking you know boy my my kid was gonna go to the government trade school but you know how do you you know think of the industry now of preparing trades people students to get accepted into the Harvard trade schools you know the the entrance exams and and things that are there you know
Boy, what an opportunity for some people to really say, you know, if you want to get into the Harvard Carpent School of Carpentry, you need to come and do pre-Harvard work with us.
Oh, yes, yes.
Because we can get you ready for their high admissions standards that is going to.
So a carpenter
with like 20 years experience would go on to get a degree at Harvard.
and be a better carpenter after they leave.
I mean, just a
thought is just incredible.
I would love to hear from the trades people running lots of different trade schools.
In fact, I know here in Pennsylvania, the union actually for carpenters has an incredible program of education for
that that trade and I should ask them and go like are you guys threatened now by the Harvard School of Carpentry?
We gotta leave it
there.
Find out for us.
Let's
talk about it next
time.
Love
to hear more of this.
That's Dr. Tim Slecker, fully-ledded education talk on busted pencils.
Check it out on the Civic Media.
website.
Thank you, Tim.
Talk to you next Thursday.
Thanks,
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Yeah, I want to let you everybody know that the tax credits rebates.
for EVs will be continued by a few of the automakers.
Yes, they're going to pay for it themselves.
They're going to
include the $7,500 tax credit that
the federal government was throwing in.
Well, that's not happening anymore.
That's so, yeah, that expired.
So the automakers, some of the automakers are going to continue providing that.
In other words, a discount of $7,500.
Fantastic.
Now I bought mine used and that was a $4,000 rebate and I picked up on it.
Yeah, that's huge.
That's why that's why I did it.
Yeah, and I am so glad I did.
It's my first modern
car.
You saved all that money and then you realized, well, you needed that money anyway to set up the electric charger.
Yeah.
I got another $10,000 to go, I guess.
Big surprises on the horizon for me.
OK.
Oh, boy.
OK.
I'll tell you what, you know, we get so much news and information.
This is a fire hose of BS coming from the administration.
So I tell you what, let's turn on the old teletype and
see if that thing has taken
some news stories
for us.
OK.
All right.
Ooh.
That's
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Well, it's a crab cake.
Yeah.
Do we have an intro for
that?
I thought we'd
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This is official now, Gordy.
We got an official intro.
From the busy world capital, from the remote Himalayas, from the four corners of the earth, here is the latest news brought into your own living room, as swiftly as it can be reported.
I'm not gonna read it as fast as I can but Remember when Elon raged about Tesla boycotts.
Oh, man.
He was so angry about that.
Yeah, which by the way you should continue doing Well Elon wants everybody to cancel Netflix he told 226 million supposed followers I suppose because I got that notification do and I'm not following that bit
Anyway, he wants to cancel Netflix because he thinks it's for the health of your kids if you can imagine something so stupid as, well, thanks for looking out for our kids.
You know, for some reason, Alan doesn't seem to be taking care of his own kids.
Well, what's what's the problem with Netflix and kids?
What?
Well, there's a connection.
There's a cartoon on there and he objects to it because it's pushing the woke ideology.
So here is an example of that woke ideology in a cartoon.
And I put this on on recording here and just let's let's listen to what he is objecting to.
All right.
Listen to this.
It's
not the park.
It's.
It's me.
I'm trans, Norma.
And everyone at school knows, and everyone at home knows.
And being here, it's like a whole new place.
I can just be Barney, and I can choose if and when I tell people.
I've never been happier.
And that's saying something when I spent today chased by terrifying zombie mascots.
Pugsley reminded me how important it is to live your life without apology.
So I think I gotta give living here a shot, don't you?
You don't need my permission.
There you go.
That's very objectionable, isn't it?
Can you imagine that just coming out?
Wow.
Why would you have your kids watch something like that?
Followers, we're posting messages like, send a message loud and clear.
We don't fund woke garbage.
The simple solution, I think, and this is just me, be a parent.
Don't let them watch this.
I don't know.
They're always trying to foist their parenthood off on some business or school.
School should report that my kid wants to be referred to something else.
No, why don't you talk to them yourself?
What is wrong with these parents?
These are bad parents, by the way, when they start complaining about this kind of stuff.
And by the way, this boycott is based on a cartoon that was canceled years ago.
So, uh, Netflix
has
not seen massive subscription cancellations at all.
So anyway, that's, uh, you know, oh, by the way, and just a little note here, Elon Musk is suffering from mass exodus of employees across all five of his companies.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
So maybe people don't like him so much.
Hmm.
So,
uh, yeah, it's,
uh,
you got some more stories.
Okay.
Oh my
God.
It's good.
Iron pose of story.
It just never ends.
Well, Sheldon Whitehouse was out there and he was talking about the ACA, the Klaus Skyrocketing on the ACA.
So let's listen to this.
This was something he revealed on Alden with Chris Hayes last night.
So let's check it out.
I want to just show just so people get a sense of this.
This is Kaiser Family Foundation running the numbers on some of this stuff.
I mean, we're talking about
real, real huge increases.
So if this expires, which again, is the current position of the Republican leadership, and this would happen, open enrollment's happening right now, right?
So this is gonna, this is at the doorstep, is my understanding.
Yeah, people are getting these notices right now.
This is a right now thing.
This isn't, let's negotiate this next January.
This is happening now, and that's why.
We're forcing this battle now so that they have to look at this now.
And I went to the Senate floor a few days ago to talk about one individual, Rudd Islander, a retired mental health counselor.
Her monthly premium is gonna go up $477 monthly.
They just like cutting healthcare.
It's like a fetish with them and they're getting over it now when they're faced with this immediate consequence.
That's right.
We were talking about this for ages here in the program about how much the ACA costs are going to go up per month for everybody who is on it, including my own family.
So this is devastating stuff.
And this takes a lot of money out of the economy, spending money that families could certainly use, I guess, for other things, like maybe buying a new EV.
And then putting a charging station in.
If they get city approval and all this other stuff that I've gone through, the hell I have gone through with this.
Okay, I don't want to get sidetracked at all.
This
is turning into your personal gripe session.
This is therapy for me and I need you to get some kind of degree, maybe a Harvard degree, a tech school degree from
Harvard.
Yeah, I'll be your
therapist.
Alright, let's get to another store.
Oh,
oh, let's see.
Catherine's
online here.
Oh, we've got Catherine online.
Okay.
All right.
Good morning, Catherine.
I'm sorry to stop you down.
You got another story you want to get to, but I wanted to comment on that last one with the $400 more per month, which would break me.
Yeah.
I'm in the camp where that's like, wow.
Oh my gosh, if that happened to me, that would be, you know, it's a four grand a year.
I mean, that's real money.
But here's the thing, the people who are making the rules to them, that's not real money.
They're like an extra 400 bucks.
Yeah, we're going to get it out of them.
Of course we are.
That's right.
They can do that.
They don't understand.
We're all not making three, four, five hundred thousand dollars a year, let alone a billion.
Right.
Yes.
And like, uh, and like, uh, Sheldon Whitehouse said, uh, they've got a fetish about cutting healthcare for everybody in the country.
Yeah.
And no one can figure it out.
I mean, I would think that maybe that would slow the economy down dramatically and make the administration look really bad.
Just just a thought.
Okay.
All right.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They gotta finish
about it because it's Obamacare in their mind.
Still they're
still trying to
get back at Obama and they don't know that the ACA
is Obamacare for many of them.
Right.
Right.
All right.
I forgot.
Okay.
Okay.
Let's go.
I knew we had some more stories.
Well, it
got jammed there for a minute.
It's got that
ribbon is old.
As WPR's own Charlie Carpenter has written, Trump's domestic deployments raised the specter that the U.S.
troops could be faced with a moral dilemma of whether to obey or disobey orders that are contrary to their oath to uphold the Constitution.
This is that big speech to the generals and admirals, right?
So a disaster.
And Charlie...
found in a recent survey of US troops, most of them are aware of their legal obligation to disobey unlawful orders and are committed to doing so.
But you know what?
They are on the right side of this.
Let's check out cut 21.
This is cut 21.
Trump's saying that he's immune, but... How do you think that the Supreme Court's ruling
that benefited you on presidential immunity would apply to former President Barack Obama and what you're accusing him of doing.
It probably helped him a lot.
Probably helped him a lot.
The immunity really.
But it doesn't help the people around him at all.
Trump said something that actually
The people who work for him now should remember.
He said that the people who work for Obama, they're not protected by the immunity decision.
Well, all you people who are getting those jobs right now, working for Donald Trump, whether you be the lowliest ICE agent or Stephen Miller himself, you better watch it because you don't have immunity.
That's George Conway.
And it's true, deploying troops to U.S.
cities to suppress protests or assist in immigration raids would further politicize the military and undermine.
public confidence in it as an institution.
So that's what's at stake.
Okay, got more, more stories.
We'll keep that
teletype running.
Okay, it's 19 past the hour.
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Yeah, just before we do, I want to mention the car companies that are still providing is $7,500 discount on their new vehicles that would be General Motors, Hyundai.
and Ford.
They're all offering the $7,500 discount in order to sell down their existing EV inventory, and that's it for EVs.
You won't see another one
on the road before they're made
illegal.
That's right.
They'll
probably be made
illegal.
Who knows?
We've got a whole bunch of other stories, but let's get to the phones right now.
We want to hear from Dick.
Good morning, Dick.
Go ahead.
Good morning.
Can we return just for a second to the Führer's loyalty speech the other day, or I'd call it.
Oh, sure.
Yeah.
Okay.
And how the media is covering it is just discussing in that.
Okay.
One of these generals that was on a retired on MSNBC, he said, I have a friend who was there.
He was still in obviously.
And he said he's very anal type guy and he always takes real notes, this type of thing.
And this guy said that 10 minutes into that rambling, whatever it was, he quit taking notes.
He said there was so incoherent, so crazy.
So babbling that he said it wasn't even worthy and you tie nothing together.
I guess my point is here.
I'll come again.
They scrutinized every single thing about Biden and this guy pulls that.
Yeah.
During that speech and there's maybe over 24 hours and then it's back to normal.
Right.
He
doesn't like nothing normal about that speech.
He
doesn't like the stealth look of battleships.
Background.
I didn't notice it until it was pointed out.
Yeah.
I'm one of the shows nationally yesterday.
What was that?
They said the background was exactly like the beginning of Pat.
Oh, the flag and the flags on either side and everything.
Oh, wow.
No kidding.
Yeah.
I'd like to check that out.
I would not be surprised.
Oh, boy.
All right, thanks a lot.
We got a texture from Doug back with us here.
And he said,
Well, no.
Now you got to roll up here.
You got to roll up.
Look at that in a moment.
There he goes.
This is all over the place.
So far, Trump has not put troops outside every cracker barrel.
That's probably next.
Wait, you dug for party that afternoon?
That's probably
true.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, we're waiting for them to march down State Street.
We've got a good view when they're ready to go.
That's right.
That's right Jobs boy the jobs numbers are not looking good private sector jobs for medium and small businesses Minus 32,000 jobs.
They lost
they lost a few jobs is cut number 22 The job losses continue.
Let's let's listen
And let's just review what we got because, as Rick said, very disappointing.
It was a weak number.
So this is...
Private sector jobs total comes in negative thirty two thousand and that was a surprise because economists were looking for an increase of fifty one thousand.
It's the biggest monthly drop since March twenty twenty three.
Also the revision was not good.
August was revised down sharply.
The month now showing as you can see actually can't see but August goes down to negative three thousand compared to the initial read of fifty four thousand.
There's the August revision.
So two week months in a row.
So if you look, you know, private sector payrolls have now dropped in three of the last four months, according to ADP.
And if you look beneath the surface, you can see where the job losses were.
Small and medium-sized businesses saw bigger declines than large businesses, which actually saw job growth.
But guys, if you take the report...
And you compare it, you know, some people say, oh, it's not really correlated with the government jobs report.
Well, the reason I think that people are paying attention to it today is, first of all, we're not going to likely get that government jobs report on Friday.
But also look at the correlation.
I mean, the direction.
It's in the right mode.
They dip at the same time.
They rise at the same time.
I think it gives you a good sense, at the very least, of the trend on job growth.
So
you've got kind of an idea here that things are not going well economically.
I know my mega friend in Milwaukee bragged, oh, 50,000 jobs.
See, that's not too bad after all.
Well, it's adjusted to minus 3,000 now.
3,000 or 30,000.
3000 for August for August August.
It's 32,000 for September.
Oh boy.
Minus 32,000 might make a friend of Milwaukee.
I wonder
where
that's going to be readjusted to maybe
50
or $60,000
jobs rather people.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
Um, we don't have that much time.
So.
That's
it.
Let's shut down the teletype, please.
Is the teletype still running?
Where is that teletype?
Okay, well, there it is.
Okay, now shut it out.
Close the door on the teletype room.
It is 29
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Jim, good morning.
So
yeah.
Good morning, gentlemen.
Good to be with you once again.
Yes.
Yeah.
So many things going on.
I just want to throw this into the mix right away.
We don't have to really talk about it, but the eighth circuit will hear arguments.
You think this would be embarrassing for far-right groups, but it's a far-right group and they're looking to renew its challenge to a pro-voting Minnesota law that seeks to combat election misinformation, voter intimidation, and harassment.
They want to challenge that.
They want, they want that.
They want harassment, intimidation, and misinformation.
That's what they're, they're trying to protect that.
Protect that.
Right.
Exactly.
And for what it's worth, just geographically, the A-Circuit, the kind of the bread basket states just to the west of us here in Wisconsin, a great number of them.
The A-Circuit is also this appellate circuit, again one of many right before the Supreme Court, that not too long ago said that the only people who can bring lawsuits under the Voting Rights Act
is an apartment justice.
And that has never been the law.
And the great majority of cases brought under the Voting Rights Act have been by private individuals.
Supreme Court, interestingly, told them that's a bridge too far, even for us.
And so, knock that off.
But still, the Ace Circuit, once again, in the news for...
doing, again, entertaining this challenge here.
That's crazy.
All right, well, let's get to something different.
We haven't talked about the shutdown very much on this program, but you experienced a shutdown during the Obama-Holder era.
And tell us about that experience.
Yeah, what was that like?
Yeah.
Sure, same kind of thing, and I recall very, very well.
Again, a couple of observations just about the impact of this.
It plainly doesn't, it's not a total government shutdown, right?
I mean, because you're still getting social security checks, the postal services still out there.
And even for the Department of Justice, it was not a total shutdown.
Why?
Because you still had to do basic law enforcement, still had to be in court.
But, but required that I sit down with a staff and it lasted a long time.
a long period of time and send them home and say, you know what, not only am I sending you home, you are forbidden from working.
You know, good conscientious civil servants often sort of sneak in and try to say, well, I got this thing coming up.
I got to do that.
The direction, of course, is no, you are shutting things down.
And my first point about this is that that's the consequence of doing this.
It's not just some headline on the evening talk shows.
You are having a significant compromise in the literal
Practical trappings of the operations of government across the board.
I can speak to the Department of Justice that that had had on
our capacity to prosecute cases, to litigate cases.
We had to get extensions of time and other things.
People should know that it does have, it affects the trappings of government.
And here's the other one that may sound less significant.
But we've always talked in this program about the importance of civil servants, right?
These are people who are not political.
They come to work every day.
And I still remember very well exactly where I was, the tears in their eyes when I said to them,
Go home, and oh by the way, you're not going to get paid.
when you're home.
Eventually, yes, the Congress did restore funds, but people have a great pride in their jobs.
They're proud to work
for the
government.
And again, the larger point is, how dare you, Congress?
You know, Shakespeare pocks on both your houses.
Can you imagine if, whether it's in civic media or you name your corporation, your nonprofit, and the chief executive said, you know what, board of directors, we just didn't get around to putting together a budget.
So we're shutting down tomorrow, sending everybody home.
We're not doing
or operation together.
In what other entity and what other institutional framework would that be acceptable?
And yet the United States government, eh, we do this routinely.
We simply say, we're going to shut down these major operations.
Where is, again, it should be outrage on many things.
Where is the outrage of people?
And I put Democrats and Republicans and independents all in the same boat on this.
You have an obligation of the Constitution to keep the government running.
These continuing resolutions do not do it.
Shame on you, Congress, for not doing your job.
Yeah.
Don't these shutdowns go back to, what was the first one?
Was it Clinton and Gingrich?
Yes, it was right.
Exactly.
And again, it was novel at that time and people asking again, what were the consequences?
It was a big deal lasted for a long period of time.
There have been up to the edge shutdowns.
There have been shutdowns that have lasted hours or so.
Friday night comes and goes and there's no agreement.
Then by Monday morning, we're back in business.
The one that I recall was weeks on end.
And again, this one, for example, it shutters completely.
Department of Education, which I know our president will be
thrilled about.
Commerce department, labor department, state department is shuttered.
National parks for what it's worth.
Yeah, you can go there.
Parking lots are closed and visiting centers, museums, all of that.
So good luck with at Yellowstone and the bears that may wander into your trafficway, right?
I don't
mean that in a bad sense at all, but it just underscores the crazy sense of all of this.
We're back again.
We cannot figure out in 2025 how to keep our government running a basic function, put together a budget, and make it happen.
I know that's easier said than done, but it's outrageous, once again, the United States of America living and breathing or not living and breathing like this.
Well, it gives the Democrats, though, a chance to try to negotiate a deal and continue something that is egregiously wrong about taking away the tax credits.
on the ACA.
If we didn't have this stop, we wouldn't be able to negotiate trying to get that back before it's gone.
So I don't know.
I'm conflicted on that.
I agree with you entirely.
There are things that can come.
My point is Congress, you need to address those issues.
fight about it, not in the violent sense, and get it done before we shut this down.
It's all about
timing.
Why are we doing this now after, again, when quite literally the rooms are dark and the functions are falling apart?
Agree entirely.
There should be drag out disagreements about the budget.
This is a time.
Budget says we know defined substance, right?
There are codifications of policy, and that's exactly what you just said, John, that you've got to have that kind of advocacy.
And yet we're doing it now, again, not at the 11th hour, at the 13th
hour, right?
That's the problem, yeah.
Well, tell us about what's going on with the tariffs.
We know that the Supreme Court is going to take a look at that.
Trump does not have the power to create these tariffs.
And I think somewhere along the way, Trump is asking the Supreme Court to give him that power.
Absolutely.
This once again is.
this notion established by the Chief Justice that we've got this all-powerful executive.
We know he did that on July 1, 2024, right?
And another decision in late June of this year that really gives him a huge amount of power.
and that of course is immunity decision but the larger point of that that order was president can pretty much needs to be muscular needs to be deaf needs to be moving quickly and making decisions and doing things cannot wait around for things like oh i don't know deliberation and thought and judgment and all those kinds of good things needs to move quickly and with great force
That's what the commission was from the United States Supreme Court.
So I very seldom these days are defending my president, but he was told, he was told by the Supreme Court he can do these things, including tariffs.
What's the problem there?
Well, you got two courts.
You got the court of international trade.
You got the federal circuit.
both of which they're experts.
These are not people like me who would come in and pontificate about these kinds of things.
These are folks who do trade day in and day out.
The courts, they're very sophisticated and both of them said, number one, hey, let's look at the Constitution.
Turns out that James Madison, George Mason, others said, yeah, that's an article one thing.
The legislature establishes those.
It's quite clear.
And number two, this particular law that the president says gets him around that.
It's only for emergencies.
It's for in times of invasion.
It's times of true shutdowns of the nation.
If you've got to have a president to act, that doesn't apply here.
That's what the courts have said in compelling language.
All the Supreme Court needed to do was nothing.
just leave those decisions as they are and tell the president he can't do this anymore.
Instead, what they do, we'll hear that case as well.
Bring that up.
What are we going to do?
Are we going to amend the Constitution once again, John, and give the president more power?
More power?
That's what's on the docket, in part, coming up in four days.
Yeah, these are self-created amendments.
They're just making this stuff up as they go along.
And plus, saying that he has these kind of powers diminishes what the legislature can do.
And they're giving all of that up.
Now, does that create a precedent later on when another administration comes in and tries to do things and tries to send all that power back to the legislature?
Or a new legislature says,
That's our power.
We're going to challenge the president.
All of these cases will probably reappear in the court somehow, somewhere along the way.
They will.
And that's the other piece of this.
The Supreme Court, again, back in Business House of Monday.
They, interestingly, have decided to hear about 30-some cases, which is about half of their docket.
Normally, they'll add more cases to it.
The speculation is, yes, they're anticipating all of these emergency applications, all these shadow docket cases, including this great power that's been given to the president, everything from capacity to stop foreign aid, to stop aid to academic institutions, to fire people, shutdown agencies across the board, all those things we've talked about.
in various ways may populate eventually this coming term.
In the meantime, however, that's the law of the land.
And I think your question about where is the legislature is the all-important one.
These are things.
These are policy decisions, once again, that the legislature should be making.
And the president, again, saying yes or no,
But we have abandoned that.
And again, with the exception of things like trying to keep the government afloat here with the stopgap measures on a budget.
And again, with the exception of that terrible big bill that the Congress passed, where are they?
Where are they?
They were envisioned to be, as you just said, the big boys on the block, and they're not president.
You bet.
And again, a future president can invoke what the Supreme Court has said and said, what's good for the goose, good for the gander, good for President Trump, good for a future president.
I don't need to follow.
I don't need to defer to the Congress.
I can just issue executive orders and the Supreme Court is let me do it.
Let them do in the past.
Let me do it now once again.
You bet, president.
You're talking with Jim Santel, former U.S.
Attorney, host of Amicus, a law review.
Jim, what else is the Supreme Court likely to take up here?
You mentioned a few of those cases.
Anything else on that docket that they are likely to?
Yes.
They take a look at what they like to look at.
As you know, religion has been a big issue in the past because this past term there's a case involving a prisoner who had his dreadlocks cut.
by his jailers and he invokes a statute that provides for religious liberties.
They may get into that as well.
Many, many other cases.
There's a campaign finance case there that's pending.
There is two cases in the LGBTQIA area.
One is transgender women in sports.
Yes, that's in the docket.
How about conversion therapy, right?
Roundly disposed by all medical authorities.
What's that all about?
about all of that on the Supreme Court docket coming up.
No, I think the 2026 will be just as much, if not greater, in terms of its import come June of 2026 than 2025 has been.
Jim, can you stay with us?
I will
do just that.
All right.
We will continue with Jim Santel on John and Gordy in the morning.
Be right back after this.
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Okay,
back for a few more minutes
with.
Jim Santel?
That's right.
Amicus, a long review.
You can hear that on Saturday, 9 to 11 o'clock.
And I have a big question here.
And that is, I think a lot of people notice this, that the federal courts are way more articulate, way more concerned about the Constitution than any of the rulings that we've read about on the Supreme Court.
Am I correct in assuming that?
I think you don't even have to assume.
All you need to do is look at the
record on
these
things.
They're writing these tomes.
They're 50, they're 70, they're 100 pages long.
And they're doing some of this very quickly, which again, some of the justices have said, well, the reason why we have to just issue these one sentence orders is we have to move quickly.
That's what's going on here.
Well, I'm sorry, there is still a thing called the all nighter, even for Supreme Court justices.
And these are important cases.
Again, you don't have to take any of them.
But if you do, the American people deserve more.
And you're absolutely right.
Take a look at any one of these.
Many district court, the trial judges, the appeals courts are also writing things that, again, should be taught in the civics classes, high schools, colleges, law schools.
They're these tomes that affirm across partisan values.
And again, it's judges who are appointed by Republican presidents and Democratic presidents.
They're all like writing these small little constitutional statements.
They're wonderful.
And then they get up to the Supreme Court and they hit this wall and you get a one or two sentence or one or two paragraph response that says, well, we're going to not do that while the underlying litigation is going on.
So Mr. President, go ahead.
and do
what
you want.
A whole lot more articulate at the lower court level.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Let's talk about William Young.
You brought this up during the break here.
Tell us about that.
Yeah.
What's this case?
He's a federal district court judge.
We saw him before.
He was the one who was chastised by a couple of Supreme Court justices for not following precedent when, in fact, the president was a one sentence
order with respect to some funding issues.
He's sort of apologized.
This is the same fellow that got former Justice Breyer coming to his defense and saying, no, when you're not giving judges direction.
So he's been in the news before.
Now he's taken the lead once again.
161 pages,
John and Gordy, you can read.
Wow.
So Dom will read that for you and get back
to
you.
OK, that's not going to happen.
Thanks,
Gene.
Do that.
No, it is going to happen, right?
So, 161 pages.
Basically what he says is that the deportation of pro-Palestinian students is in violation of the Constitution, denying their free speech rights.
He finds that the government, mainly Donald Trump, has been deporting pro-Palestinian advocates
for the purpose of shutting them down, sending them overseas, getting them out of here so they're no longer talking.
And he begins his order, many, many wonderful things in this.
He begins an order by describing a threat that he received as a district court judge.
The threat says, Trump has pardons and tanks.
What do you have?
Oh
my God.
That's a threat that came into the federal.
And that's how he starts all of this.
And he goes on to say, alone I have nothing but my sense of duty.
Together we, the people of the United States, you and me, have our magnificent constitution.
And goes on to explain why he had ruled as he has ruled against Christie.
No, I'm against Marco Rubio for doing this.
Finding as a matter of fact that they, there are several agents, acted in concert to misuse the sweeping powers of their offices to target non-citizen pro-Palestinians for deportation, primarily on account of their First Amendment speech.
And then this other language here, what did they, how did they do it?
They did so, he says, in order to strike fear, chilling into similarly situated non-citizens goes on.
And the effect of these targeted deportations is to chill freedom of speech, talks about the Trump brand, and then maybe in the most compelling stuff at the very end of this, he says this, he says, I fear President Trump believes the American people are so divided that today they will not stand up, fight for and defend our most precious constitutional values, so long as they are lulled into thinking that their own personal interests are not affected.
Is he correct?
Wow.
That's how he finishes his order.
Wow.
161 pages.
Again, Don will report on all of that tomorrow morning.
Could you give that we want to hear it in our headphones?
Well, here's the thing about that.
Is this guy applying for a Supreme Court justice job when there's a Democratic president?
I would put him in there.
This is great
stuff.
Yeah.
And for what it's worth, we shouldn't have to talk about who appointed you, but this is a Ronald Reagan.
pointy this is
a
yeah right and and again you've got this across the board you shouldn't have to talk about that
at all we
always do that
The the national media does have pointed by Obama, pointed by Jimmy Carter, pointed by Ronald Reagan, should have to do it.
And the rule is here, what we were seeing is judges across the board, almost with unanimity, are writing these kinds of things.
We talked about, remember this Judge Wilkinson in the fourth circuit when he had the Abrego Garcia case in front
of him.
He
talked about how, you know, we got to respect each other.
And he said, that's not going on.
Mr. President, do better.
Same kind of thing coming out of young.
Yeah.
The Supreme Court does not respect anybody else.
any of the federal judges at all, continually contradict them.
Jim, we got to leave it there.
You can listen to Jim's great show, Amicus, a law review every Saturday on the Civic Media Radio Network.
Just when I was getting really angry.
You were just getting warmed
up.
Jim, thank you.
It's good to be with you gentlemen as always.
Talk to you again next Thursday.
Coming up on tomorrow's show, we'll have a Maxing preview with Rocker, of course, looking ahead to all kinds of great music happening around the area.
Savannah Tome Olsen will check in from the news department and Pam Yankee with an update on the world.
Derry Expo going on at the Alliance Center.
And we'll see how show sounds from the detention camp that we're going to
tomorrow.
Okay, that's gonna do it for us.
Stephanie Miller's next.
Have a great
day.
