The THC Debate (Hour 2)

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The THC Debate (Hour 2)

John & Gordy · Tue Sep 30, 2025

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Find Bruce and things up right just in time for winter because I don't

know so we can't see them in winter.

When was the last time we've seen like a leaf blower?

I mean,

I don't know.

I could not tell you

the last time we I think they picked a different block to start off early in the morning.

I think so.

Yeah, they work their way up.

Maybe.

Maybe they only do it once a week now.

I don't

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We're the cleanest town in the world.

Not really.

I'm serious.

You know, we talked to

The doctor yesterday about vaccines and and what the administration is doing and all the the fake Treatments now that they're recommending yeah, yeah, this is just outrageous.

So the FDA Commissioner comes out and says I don't think autism is genetic Really?

Well, I I'm glad to hear your opinion

Can we get to that story in just a moment?

I'm not

getting to the story.

I'm just telling you what the headline is.

Okay You know, I mean it's done it was it's dumb enough just

the way it is.

That's all we need to know

We don't need to know any more

than that.

This is what the administration is cranking out

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Anyway, this is the big story for today.

Trump has signed a little notice, National Security Directive, different from executive orders.

This is a big deal.

Identifying anti-Christian and anti-American views as indicators of radical left violence.

of

it.

It's called National Security Presidential Memorandum 7, or if you want to make that into an acronym, NSPM 7.

That's what it's called.

That just rolls off the tongue.

That's how they'll refer to it.

Here's the quote.

This is the first time in American history that there is an all-of-government effort to dismantle left-wing terrorism.

Because they don't have enough on the right.

They don't have a network over there.

The Joint Terrorism Task Force will disrupt any individual or groups that foment political violence, including before they result in violent political acts.

Again, it's preemptive.

before they result in political acts.

They're targeting pre-crime.

In a reference to Minority Report, I have a little clip here, yeah, it's 231, clip 231, this is from Minority Report, just to kind of give you an idea of what it's gonna sound like in the back rooms of the White House.

I'm sure you all understand the legalistic drawback to pre-crime methodology.

Here we go again.

But let's not kid ourselves.

We are arresting individuals who have broken no law.

But they will.

You ever get any false positives?

Someone intends to kill his boss or his wife, but they never go through with it.

How do the pre-cogs tell the difference?

Pre-cogs are to see what you intend to do.

Only what you will do.

That's right.

And the pre-cogs are like people with autism on the spectrum, and they can tell.

They know.

Not completely,

though.

The

movie proves that.

Anyway, it's a great movie, by the way.

You've got to see that.

Trump's NSPM7 labels common beliefs as terrorism indicators.

I'm not kidding.

I've got a list here that can sense dangerous liberals.

This is what they're looking for.

Anti-Americanism.

Check yourself at the door on this one.

anti-capitalism, anti-Christianity, support for the overthrow of the United States government, which I think is already happening.

I'm not sure.

Extremism on migration.

I think we have that going on right now.

Extremism on race.

Well, we're seeing that on the

right.

See, these are all right wink things.

Extremism.

On gender, we're seeing that on the right.

This is all left-wing stuff, though.

Hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family.

Again, now, these are the characteristics they're gonna look for to stop you, to interrogate you, to lock you up.

This is the final nail in the coffin to this country.

This is it right here Hostility toward those who hold traditional American views on the family.

What

how would you know

that?

You know, I've got a family myself I don't know you know a lot of these people don't have families like my mega friend in Milwaukee But you know you can spot all this stuff hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion and finally

hostility toward those who hold traditional American views on morality.

So they're...

That's a big

list.

They're going to be the morality police in this country and they're going to stop you and interrogate you and lock you up in a FEMA camp someplace and you'll be, well, maybe housed right next to our broadcast booth.

So Trump is going to sign this thing today.

He signed it.

He already signed it.

Oh, he signed it a little while back.

Yeah, no one noticed it.

No ceremony or no, this one.

No, no, this with the big pen and this is going on.

This is

while they go after and Tifa the network and Tifa in our country.

Okay,

which doesn't exist at all.

And it was a surprise to every Democrat out there any liberal any progressive any pro-democracy individual.

None of us knew we had this network.

Damn, had we known.

We got assault memberships, you know, made a little, a little.

Money on this

thing.

Anyway, a pre-crime endeavor prevented attacks before they happened, not just about thwarting violent actors.

It's about chilling free speech and association, according to one attorney.

It allows the attorney general to recommend formal designation of domestic terrorism organizations.

So if you fund a certain

group, if you donate to a certain group, like Wisconsin Democracy Campaign.

Oh, okay.

They might consider them, you

know.

Really?

Yeah.

One of these terrorist organizations.

It stretches to organizations seen as supporting progressive causes, suggesting the scope could well include mainstream nonprofit advocacy.

And that's us.

Wait a minute.

Hold on here a second.

Whoa.

Time out.

Oh my God.

So

anyway, that's the

big story.

There's

a

pretty

big one.

We might all be looking over our shoulder very, very soon.

Wow.

I don't know.

I don't know how to top that

one.

But you know, in just a little while, we're going to have part two of Charlie Kirk.

debating with a feminist and this all took place at Cambridge Union and she did a fantastic job.

You can always find this at the YouTube channel, the special relationship.

I have not looked at other discussions there, but this one stood out for me and I split it up because it was about nine minutes long.

But you get to hear part two

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How about listening to a little cut here from a guy we haven't heard from in a long time.

It's

Keith Olberman.

Yeah, he was talking about Trump's worst 96 hours.

So there's a cut to 15.

Let's listen.

After perhaps the worst 96 hours of his presidency, the worst 96 hours of the worst presidency of all time, the most fail in the shortest span,

last

96 hours.

The UN speech, sounding like an escapee from a psych ward.

His Tylenol news conference, sounding like an escapee from a psych ward who's been living on the street for a month.

His suggestion, NATO countries shoot down Russian jets.

His sudden embrace of Ukraine.

MAGA rage about Ukraine.

The cover of a London right wing daily.

this picture in 72 point type with the word deranged below it.

The ice shooting in Dallas, his idiot simpering vice president, pretending the victims were agents when they were detainees.

His ice chief not denying, then denying, he took $50,000 in a paper bag.

His paranoia over the stopped teleprompter at the UN that was his White House staff's fault.

His paranoia over the stopped escalator at the UN that was his own vanity videographers fault.

This desire to arrest the escalator and arrest James Comey, the election of Adalita Grihalva to Congress, and the fact that she'll be the last representative needed to force a vote on releasing the Trump Epstein files, his self-humiliation at the Kirk Memorial, ABC reinstating Kimmel, Kimmel then shoving him in a locker using only a monologue, Kimmel then getting a record six million viewers, and 22 more million online in his first 20 hours, the fact that Kimmel

and ABC and Bob Iger and Disney and America told Trump to shove his threats.

And that's just since Sunday night.

Wow,

Keith Oberman.

Yeah.

Wow.

That's quite the list.

And you know, busy over three more years of that, three more

years

of 96 hours.

Oh my gosh, yeah.

Pete Hicks at the meeting with all the generals this

morning.

Actually, live coverage.

Interesting.

OK, 19 past the hour.

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That's coming up on John and Gordy.

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All right, we got to get to our cut here.

This is cut 214, the Charlie Kirk debate with a feminist and she's defending working women in the US.

Let's go with it.

The women in the West have it the best in the world and yet they're way unhappier than women in Sub-Saharan Africa.

There's something phenomenally wrong here.

Because the women of Sub-Saharan Africa have something that a lot of women in the West do not have.

The women in the West have cats and they have good jobs.

And the women of Sub-Saharan Africa, they have a belief in the divine and they have kids.

And maybe there's a biological undercurrent that is keeping a lot of women from realizing their full potential.

And so without reading your phone and just like, you know, connecting...

I'm not really reading my

phone.

Well, it's fine.

Sure.

Then you can answer without it.

Fair enough.

Would you agree that it's a good thing that more women get married and have children in the West?

I would ask you would you say that a Subzaharan African woman who's experienced female genital mutilation and checks extremely happy in a survey and I also would check extremely happy in a survey.

Who do you think would be objectively more happy even if they both check the same answer?

Okay, so I fully if you want to talk about how Islam mistreats women we could talk all day long like I'm all for that We should shut off Muslim immigration to the UK right we totally agree

I think that all religious fundamentalism is bad and if you take that logic we should also not allow evangelical

Christians

What would your example, because I have 50, of a single Christian country that you would say mistreats women, right?

America.

Oh, really?

Yes.

We had a female woman vice president.

We had a female vice president, a female speaker of the house.

Women earn more than men in America.

In Rwanda, female representation in government, out.

Outseeds like supersedes the UK by quite a lot.

Did women get treated better in Rwanda?

I'm making a simple observation which is which is objectively true regardless the women of the West are miserable and they're miserable for a reason because we've told them to suppress how they are made by God and Pursue something else and get a bunch of trinkets and get a bunch of promotions and they end up like guys 38 years old with a big flat in London and they're miserable

We should tell them to stop freezing their eggs and start finding their partner earlier and have lots of babies.

Okay, I think I'd bring two just final points to this.

First one is just really intuitive, right?

Which is that if you actually care about women's happiness, then the solution is to structurally support them.

That means universal childcare, shared legally enforceable parents will leave.

And in Nordic countries where women have high workforce participation and also some state support, they report higher life satisfaction than in more conservative countries, including America.

So if your metric is happiness, it's also

matters.

So our satisfaction service bullshit are not because you told me...

I'm out.

Do

you acknowledge satisfaction surveys or not?

You just told me that they're BS.

Do you think they're objective?

Are we going to use that as data?

I don't think that it's the only sole data set, but it is.

You told me there's

a flawed and you self report.

OK, by the macro self self satisfaction data.

I am correct.

And you are right.

When you have paid family leave, you are happier.

I'm actually a proponent of that.

At Turning Point USA, we pay for six months when somebody has a child.

I think there's a lot of agreement we can have on that.

We need to encourage having more children.

I think the Hungarian child policy is phenomenal.

We should look at that.

Because the greatest thing that is plaguing the West is we're not having enough kids.

And it's not just bad because we won't have a future.

It's also bad because the present is awfully miserable for too many women as

well.

OK.

In which case, I think we get... Do I start bringing this to a close, please?

Okay, I think just one final thing which is in which case we get to a really interesting argument about what parts of womanhood can be demarcated to the social, and what kinds of womanhood can be demarcated to biological.

So for example, my anatomy is demarcated to the biological.

But the fact that I might potentially be a better nurturer than a man, I would demarcate that to the social, you might demarcate that to the biological, in which case we have differing moral scales of value.

I would ask why we should necessarily prioritize your moral scale of value, which prioritizes things like the birth rate, when in actual fact there are various other moral scales of value.

And if you yourself are a free market American, why is it the case?

that you would not, like the previous speaker noted, extend personal freedoms towards all spheres, including a private sphere.

I

believe in absolute

truth claims,

and it's absolutely wrong and bad when a society stops having kids to replace their own population, and then you have to import the third world and you become the third world.

It's bad.

I disagree, but thank

you.

Okay, thank you.

That right there was absolute perfection.

That student just gave a textbook lesson in how to handle a bad faith actor.

The what is a woman question isn't a genuine inquiry.

It's a rhetorical trap designed to make his opponent look foolish and extreme.

But she didn't fall for it.

Her answer was calm, nuanced and intellectually honest and it completely diffused his attack.

And what was Kirk's response when he's gotcha failed?

A complete meltdown into pure condescension.

He couldn't win the intellectual argument, so he resorted to a pathetic, misogynistic rant about miserable career women with cats who need to stop freezing their eggs and have babies.

It was a total mask off moment.

He didn't just lose the debate, he exposed a raw contempt at the heart of his entire worldview.

Interesting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So it's Charlie Kirk and then.

Great job.

Great job.

Explosing

Charlie Kirk for what he really is.

It is 29 minutes past the hour.

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And when we come back, Hannah Vann will give us an update on the walk to end Alzheimer's.

We're part of that walk.

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Beautiful day out there in the capital city, Madison.

We're overlooking State Street.

No leaf blower guy this morning yet.

Right.

Or no sidewalk buffer out there yet.

No.

Yeah.

Well.

It's a beautiful day, though.

Nonetheless, 76 degrees to start things up, but temperatures are climbing already.

We'll get into the low 80s later this afternoon with plenty of sunshine mixed in with a few clouds along the way.

Time now for us to say hello to Hannah Van.

She is with the Walk to End Alzheimer's and we'll get an update.

Things are happening this weekend at Warner Park.

It's Sunday and we've got a WMDX team and we'll be out there walking along with a lot of other people.

Hannah, welcome back to the show.

Good to have you with us.

Yes, thank you so much for having me, especially like you said this week leading up to the walk.

Yes.

So what do people need to know about Alzheimer's?

A lot of the research has progressed a bit and there's always something new to update.

What can you tell us about the fight against Alzheimer's?

What's the latest?

Yeah, what's the latest?

I love that.

So in the past four years, we are truly in what we call the era of treatment.

So we are making moves in the way of research.

And that is happening because of events like the Walk to End Alzheimer's, those fundraising efforts, our advocacy efforts, all things of that sort.

But right now there are two treatments available for people in the early stages of an Alzheimer's diagnosis.

They are available via an IV infusion and they are there to help slow the progression.

of the disease.

So we are still out here this Sunday.

We are going to be walking because we ultimately of course want to find a cure to this ugly disease.

So those fundraising dollars that are being raised are helping locally families but also helping us get to that ultimate cure.

Some of the statistics are just amazing though.

Currently more than 6 million Americans are living with Alzheimer's and over 11 million family and friends provide their unpaid care.

Um, for the walk for, uh, to end Alzheimer's, uh, there's something like 600 communities nationwide participating.

I mean, this is an amazing effort.

Uh, we were out there last year, uh, walking with everybody and it was, it was really, uh, quite a community gathering.

Um, and tell us what people can expect if they come out to the, uh, out to Warner park on Sunday.

Yeah, absolutely.

So Madison is, yes, one of actually 627 walks that happened across the nation this fall.

And so our walk, as you said, is this Sunday at Warner Park.

We gather outside of the rainbow shelter behind the Mallard Stadium.

And we're hoping to have 1,100 walkers.

Many of those are made up by family caregivers, professional caregivers, and just those impacted by Alzheimer's or another form of dementia.

So the event will open at 8.30.

We invite you to come join us, explore some of our vendor tables.

We've got a kid zone.

There's a beautiful playground.

And then at 10 a.m.

we host our opening ceremony.

And that is when we share the latest in research.

We talk briefly about our advocacy efforts, where the dollars are going.

And then we also spotlight some people right here in Dane County living with Alzheimer's disease, their caregivers and so on.

One thing that's unique about our walk is

everybody gets a pinwheel flower.

And the color of their flower represents their connection to the disease.

So at the end of the ceremony, there's a beautiful display of all these flowers just waving in the wind.

And hopefully, like I said, hopefully we'll have roughly 1,100 of those being held high.

fighting for that cure.

Well you have like written materials for those who are participating in this to kind of know a little bit about Alzheimer's, what people can do to prevent Alzheimer's or at least hold it off for as long as you possibly can at this point.

I think that's where our research is at this point, right?

Yeah, absolutely.

We talk a lot.

So within outside of our event and fundraising, you know, we want to make sure that families know that the Alzheimer's Association is here in this community and we are ready to help.

We can offer one-on-one care consults.

We've got over 13 different support groups locally, so we'll match you to make sure you are in the right one.

But we are here to help through every step of the way, along with other partnered agencies like the ADRC and so on.

All right.

And we've got our

team together ready to walk on Sunday and we'll have a WMDX booth there as well.

You can go to WMDXradio.com and actually sign up right there to donate or be a part of the walk.

And Hannah, anything else you want to add about this Sunday?

No, super excited.

Bring the sunshine and I can't wait to see you all.

Yeah, you can even register right at the event.

So anytime between 830 and 10 a.m.

You can register and show support as we walk to find a cure.

All right.

Hannah Van, thank you so much.

We'll see you on Sunday.

Looking forward to it.

That's good.

Thank you.

All right.

Very good.

That's Hannah Van with the Walk to End Alzheimer's.

Yeah,

a lot of progress taking place, treating Alzheimer's, you know,

making it less aggressive

than it

is.

And this is a fun day, actually.

It's a good community gathering, and last year it was just tremendous to see all the people out there and go for a nice walk around Warner Park.

So, hope you can join us.

Well, let's go to the phone lines.

We have CJ.

What have you got for us today, CJ?

Good morning, gentlemen.

How are you today?

Good, good.

Doing okay.

Good, thank you.

Well, I heard you play the clip at Charlie Kirk.

I just want to reiterate that 125,000 requests for new chapters, the wildfire spread.

Why do you think that is?

Why do you think people want to have a chapter in

their

spree?

I think people are looking for a connection of family, faith, and country.

Did that debate enlighten anybody?

Did it tell them maybe that they're on the wrong path thinking that they might get those kind of qualities?

I think it's quite obvious that people are realizing I go to church every Saturday, Sunday, and it is packed.

That's good.

That's good.

But we don't need religion in schools.

We don't need religion shoved in our face in our politics.

All we need is to go to church on Sunday if we want.

Well, we don't need it driven out either.

We've seen where that's got.

Well, we're not driving it out.

You know people look I think it's a family responsibility if conservatives and magas want Everybody else to toe the line instead of using their own Responsibility to teach their children about religion.

I find that to be problematic I think they're bad parents relying on schools and other sources like maybe

you know, turning point USA to teach religion to our kids.

I think, you know, it's a parent's responsibility.

It's a personal matter.

It's not something public like

this.

Well, we found out that people were relying on school to teach them things and what they were teaching them,

not

religion, that most families don't want school teaching them.

Okay.

Well, they have a choice.

No, they have a choice.

They don't even

have to teach

their children.

anything, and that's a great parent by the way.

I enjoyed them.

You know, and can I just say one thing?

Okay.

Because I always hear this gentleman from Milwaukee call after I call.

Charles,

you

know.

The white privilege stuff.

But listen to him.

Everything he says has to do leads up with race.

What he teaches his children, what he teaches

everything that he talks about he leads

with race but isn't that no

I don't I

do not see that and I think Charlie Charlie Kirk uses race

constantly.

He brings it up.

He sees color.

He does not go by merit.

He always wonders if a black pilot has those qualifications or was she an affirmative action hire?

I think that sees color.

I don't think that goes by merit.

No, CJ, I got to take a

break from Milwaukee sees color.

No, right off the bat.

Well, we see is

that we haven't gotten rid of systemic racism.

CJ, we have not gotten rid of it.

Now I want to get to something.

Oh, we have Charles on the line.

All right, let's go to Charles right away.

CJ was right.

Okay.

Yeah, Charles respond to what CJ said.

Good morning.

It's perfect timing.

It is.

CJ, I would just like to let you know I'm a 53 year old black man.

I actually live in O'Connor, Milwaukee.

My wife is white.

I have a biracial son.

My, my daughter-in-law is white.

I have two biracial granddaughters, but I'm not fooled.

I'm a black man living in America and it is about race.

That's right.

Absolutely.

They can say whatever he wants to say.

I'm not a hateful man.

I am one of the nicest people you will probably ever meet.

I agree.

Anybody will tell you that, but I'm not fooled.

That to think that there is not racism in this country there is And i'm not gonna fool myself i don't talk my i don't talk to my kids about hate i talk to my kids about reality we have reality talks Because they they've experienced racism So so being white you can you can say oh well they're always talking about a race well yeah because it still affects us today

It does.

It really does affect us today.

Charles, thank you.

Thanks for responding.

You know, again, it is so ridiculous to accuse people of DEI.

DEI is just another racist way of saying we want systemic racism to exist and be a part of our American society.

And it's just wrong.

It's always been wrong.

Zach from Sun Prairie says, oh, that's rich.

CJ thinks racism isn't real as a white man.

And CJ had the privilege to ignore racism.

but black people have to live it every day.

That's right.

Another great point.

It is.

It is.

It's just outrageous that we... I don't know why we let DEI become illegal in this country.

I don't know how that happened.

You know, if I were a corporation, I'd tell the administration to go, you know, F themselves only because it's my choice.

What I want to do, I can do.

And here's the thing.

you've experienced is probably throughout your life too.

Way back when, when we applied for work and we didn't get the job, did we sit there and say, well, gee, I wonder who got that job and were they qualified?

We accepted the fact that we weren't taken for that job.

I am not the person hiring me.

I don't know what their qualifications are.

I don't know what they're looking for, for their business.

They have all the control in the world over what they do in their business.

Not me.

And I can't suppose that the other person got it because of DEI.

That's, it's, it's not my place to say that.

And this is a whole new construct by this administration, DEI.

It's, it's totally made up and.

Corporations have the option of hiring who they want.

And by the way, you're sitting across from the guy who's hiring you.

A lot of times, a lot of times, it has something to do with personality conflicts.

They see you as somebody, well, I don't want that guy representing

our company.

It's a personality conflict.

You know, that's a D.I.

They have an option to do what they want to do.

We have an option to walk on and apply for work someplace else.

That's what it's all about.

We don't blame anybody for DEI, and that's what this administration is doing.

It's a crutch.

All right, 748.

When we come back, we'll talk to Jesse Christensen about some new laws that they're trying to pass

upon

cannabis and THC and everything else.

We'll get that update from Jesse.

When we come back, stay with us.

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All right, our special guest, Jesse Christensen, from Cannabis DNP, and

you've been on

the show once before, and it was a fantastic discussion.

use science in order to bring us some of the products that you have and we have of course something going on at the state legislative level that is trying to ban some of the products that you produce and so many other competitors as well.

I mean this is a huge market in the in the state at this point and

you and all the others have been accused of exploiting a loophole.

It really wasn't a loophole or anything.

It was just, you know, expanding the business.

No one really looked at it as exploitation or anything like that.

You're just creating a product out there.

Why don't we play the cut here from the legislature?

This is Linda Brill Sheboygan, and she came up with this legislation.

This is Channel 3000 covering the story.

Let's listen.

What was it again?

Sorry.

174.

Okay.

Here we go.

At the State Capitol, Republican lawmakers are moving to close a THC loophole by redefining legal hemp.

Right now, hemp-derived products like Delta 8 and THCA, which experts say can have psychoactive effects, are legal.

The proposed bill would stop those products from hitting the market.

Businesses built under the current law could be forced to shut down.

But the bill's lead author argues the industry should have known better.

This market was created because of a loophole, and that was a chance that businesses took

when they open their business.

It would completely handicap an industry that is generating incomes, jobs, rental spaces.

It's foolish.

That was Book Bartels, who's preparing to open a dispensary in Madison.

He says lawmakers should focus on regulation instead of a ban.

He says that outlawing hemp-derived THC could fuel a black market surge.

The bill is still in its early stages and is currently circulating for cosponsorship.

All right, Jesse, what do you think about something like that?

So yeah.

When I listened to this the first time around, it was very confusing to me for the fact that Delta A products, THCA products from the hemp industry has been very beneficial for a lot of the consumers, a lot of the retailers and a lot of the farmers that are being hit right now with unknown tariffs and looking for payouts to help keep them afloat.

This industry is needed.

In 2018, 2022, we had advisory referendums asking Wisconsin voters if we wanted a legalized program, and each time our votes increased, saying that there was more yeas than nays, and that took up

more

than half of Wisconsin.

So the voters are speaking, but nobody's really listening.

When they're talking about that, these could be dangerous.

Some can be.

Regulation would be an idea to run as opposed to what's going on right now, but we need to do it smart.

We need to do it with information and evidence and not just isolated events.

When I was reading the article, they brought up the gateway theory, which has been out of the science lexicon for since about 2010.

It started in the 1950s, 1970s, but science has backed up the fact that that is not a...

real thing.

A drag net 67.

Yeah.

So when I hear people using terminology like that, I can understand that they're using fear and fear is a very strong emotion.

Fear will help push an agenda and make people vote against what they want.

It's very strong.

The other thing too is these isolated incidences such as the one that was quoted in Stoughton at the pizzeria using THC infused dough and oil for dough.

They got about 85 people sick There was no charges pressed.

They just mocked it up as an accident

But you can happen it can happen, but it was an isolated event it happened in a shared kitchen So instead of using isolated events to go for a broad ban on things that would drive people back to a black market or unregulated prop products Regulation would be the step to go if that's the avenue we're gonna take because then we can actually benefit from

uh... packaging labeling dosing uh... extraction processes things that are safer for our community as opposed to driving it back to the black market or driving people to other states like we did in the past

now you mentioned that uh... the public is

On board with regulating this, making it safer for everybody.

Is there an effort by any of the politicians to get a better bill as opposed to just opposing it or making it illegal and putting all these businesses out of business?

There's people in the capital that are positing a new bill.

For me to speak on that is kind of out of my realm.

If you want more information on things of that nature, the Wisconsin Cannabis Activists are a wonderful organization.

They know all things

politics, all

things cannabis.

That would be your reference to use if you wanted more information on what bills are actually in the capital at the moment.

I just can't speak on that part.

All right.

Well, Jesse, it's good to have you in and check in with you every once in a while.

And again, your business is...

Cannabis DMP, Laffy Taffies, I also go by Dr. Merce.

Okay.

Yeah, Therapeutic Taffies, Daytime, Nighttime, different profiles, and they're absolutely amazing.

And you can find your business online at?

CannabisDNP.com.

D is in doctor and is a nurse.

P is in practitioner.

Very good.

It's always good to hear from you.

Always happy to be here.

All right, Jesse.

Thanks for stopping by.

Thank

you.

Tomorrow on the show, Mike McCabe will join us.

That's going to do it for us for today.

Stephanie Miller is coming up next, John.

Have a great day.

Well, I will

listening to Stephanie Miller.

You'll have more of these cuts that you can't wait to hear from the administration.

So long.

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