Vaccine Myths (Hour 2)

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Vaccine Myths (Hour 2)

John & Gordy · Mon Sep 29, 2025

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Would you like me to repeat all of that?

No.

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All

right, let's get it.

You know, these studies that CJ and the Mega-Rite present all the time are always polls.

They're not actually studies, they're polls.

And the Rutgers University published a study concluding that Democrats are more prone to violence, just misleading and not supported by the available evidence.

It was a poll conducted in partnership with Rutgers and they found concerns about political violence and it

Depends on who's winning the propaganda wars.

Yeah, okay And that's I think what this poll is all about and the Republicans the magas are always winning this stuff because they have a machine that does this for them The Democrats have never thought about doing anything So anyway, there's widespread concern I get it, but you know what the facts don't support it

Let me see Melissa Hortman shooting at home Josh Shapiro arson at the home Joe Biden the White House U-Haul trailer incident Nancy Pelosi home break-in

Kristin Lyerly

Gretchen

Whitmer kidnapping plot Esther Silas shooting at home Obama Biden Clinton male bombs Clementa Picney shopping at church or shooting at church rather Barack Obama militia bomb plot

Gabby Giffords being shot.

What is all this?

Those are all

Republican.

Attempts on other people all right and mostly Democrats of course The only three that aren't is a Brit Kavanaugh.

Somebody scouted his home, right?

Steve Cole a scolese of course shot at a baseball game And then he came back healthy as heck and still supports no gun laws.

Okay, Donald Trump And that was somebody grabbed an officer's gun

I guess wanted to use it on him.

But again, three incidents, Democrats.

And I didn't even finish the Republican incidents.

Donald Trump at the golf course, Donald Trump shooting at the campaign rally in Butler.

I guess that's about it.

But, you know, it's overwhelming the Republican.

Those are the facts.

And if you want to go by a poll, what people think, then the MAGA is actually winning public opinion.

on all of this, right?

Okay.

All right, now let's get to the big story.

And that is war ravaged Portland.

Oh my God, this is just whoa.

What a situation.

I've been watching all the videos on X. Pretty flowery gardens there.

A lot of people strolling, you know, shopping, not quite seeing the madness there.

In fact, I watched a video of the ice detentions.

center.

And they were like, maybe, maybe two dozen people, you know, kind of wandering around in front of a building.

That's, that's Portland.

Yeah.

Well, it's very peaceful.

It was described as things appear to be peaceful with members of the group mostly standing around while music played in the background.

A couple kicked the soccer ball around the street.

I

know this is the ender sending.

troops in at this point.

They also talked to some of the neighbors at the TV station and they're complaining about nightly noise, tear gas, the pepper balls, get this, one nearby school even relocated because the use of chemicals and munitions went into the school grounds making the area unsafe.

What?

Yeah, so they had like whatever.

Ammo all over the ground it says here Trump said to the governor Tina Kotec Wait a minute.

Am I watching things on television that are different from what's happening?

Who knows what he's watching on TV says my people tell me different They are literally attacking there are fires all over the place

What is he watching?

The governor's response is this is not a military target.

But anyway, it apparently is for Trump.

He posted this.

I am authorizing full force, which means bullets, by the way.

It means death.

It means murder.

It means authorizing our military to use lethal force against American citizens.

That's what it's all about.

Wow.

Stepping it up.

Yeah

stepping it

up, but you know people have a sense of humor on X and Somebody thought well, you know this if if it's really a truly a war-rabed city Portland maybe

There are people there sending letters out.

And this is a take off.

This could have been a big meme, but no one really picked up on it.

It's PBS's Ken Burns series of documentaries.

And this is the source of their parody.

And this is the war ravaged Portland on X. And let me just read the letter.

Here we go.

OK.

My dearest Suzanne I I write from deep in war ravaged Portland We are a city under siege NTF of forces have our city surrounded They are demanding better coffee and more hot yoga classes If reinforcements do not soon arrive I'm afraid we have no choice but to

but deck ourselves in hemp pants and bathe in patchouli.

If all is lost, you'll find me at Whole Foods drinking kabocha.

Forever yours, my darling.

Antifa Sergeant Beauregard Rutledge.

Wow.

Talks at the heartstrings.

It does, man.

Tearing up over.

That was great.

Well, Memphis is next.

You know, that's next on the list.

Of course,

you're having a southern accident.

Portland Watch.

What's up with that?

But it's a silly accident we know on this show.

That's right.

You got it.

You got it partner.

Another

exposter.

They were surprised as anyone like this post.

Oregon, Portland, Oregon, the most dangerous battlefield in America.

You never know when the next farmer's market might pop off.

The smell of artisanal sourdough hangs in the air.

You hear that?

That's the sound of kombucha.

Ready to blow.

Kristin Lyerly

Better roll

the tanks.

God help us.

And here's one.

This is from Mehdi Hassan, by the way.

And this is a serious note.

He wrote, this should be impeachable.

War ravaged Portland.

He's insane and insanely power hungry.

The script is set.

Call an imaginary group, a terror group, and then send in the troops.

And that's true.

Again, Antifa is not a group.

And, of course, Trump wants to make that an international designation that they are a terrorist group.

They don't exist.

Completely unorganized.

I'm sure there's no one out there, no other country out there that wants to follow up on that one.

But our hearts go out to Portland.

Now

here, you know, I wonder what Fred Armisen's gonna do with Portlandia.

Yeah, I think they're coming to Madison sometime soon.

Maybe that I don't know if that shows actually.

Maybe they'll have a point of view on

that.

I mean, perhaps.

I'd like to see that.

Now this is a strange thing.

Federal ice thugs on top of the Broadville, Illinois federal building roof are shooting non-lethal rounds, including pepper balls and tear gas.

Those are the things that they found in the, you know, a school grounds.

in work tour in Portland.

But anyway, they're actually shooting these these things at just the protesters hovering around offense.

They're not even

They're

dangerous to

anybody.

You know, they're on the other side of the fence, but they're shooting from the rooftops at these protesters.

So this is an attack on just protesting the First Amendment right to protest your government.

That's what they're doing.

Now get this on X. Borders are Tom Homan posted this.

You won't believe this.

Would you support, this is his question on X, would you support the National Guard using water cannons for defense tonight against the Antifa rioters at the Ice Broadway facility in Illinois?

What?

Yes or no?

What?

Yes.

Tom Hulman?

He's asking for, it's a poll he's having whether he should be violent or not to protesters.

What?

On X. Oh my god.

Yeah.

And I thought this was kind of interesting.

Nancy Mace, representative Nancy Mace, says Nancy Pelosi should go to prison for orchestrating January 6.

Do you agree with Nancy Mace?

All these ridiculous little polls that these people are running on

X. Well, they'll get their bots to respond, I'm sure.

Oh, yeah.

You know, that just clicks in.

automatically with these polls.

And the other thing too, and we'll probably get to this when we talk about the vaccines, but Obama posted this.

He said Republicans would rather shut down the government than help millions of Americans afford healthcare.

Right.

And again, what's happening is they're saying that the Democrats are insisting on spending more money to allow

immigrants, illegal immigrants to get health care in this country, when that is completely fabricated and made up, they're not getting benefits anyway, but they made this up.

What they're really doing is telling the American public or misguiding them, the American public should know that

The Democrats are trying to save the tax credits for the Affordable Care Act, so people can afford health care.

They're monthly premiums, and if they go up, no one's gonna be able to afford those monthly premiums.

That's what it's all about.

That's why

they want to stop the government.

Yes.

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All right, I've got a two-parter here and we're gonna play part one right now.

This is Charlie Kirk.

Debate with a feminist and I was just so fascinated with this You know I have a background in being a part of the feminist movement way back when yeah, my sister who went to Madison at the age of 16 Joined up with the feminist movement and she made sure that her younger brother.

Yeah, that's you was a feminist as well and I Was brought up that way is anyway.

I thought this was fantastic stuff.

You have to hear this again

This is Charlie Kirk talking to a feminist.

And it is, I think he uses every cliche you could possibly use, every dumb question he could possibly pose to her.

But she had an answer for each and every one of them.

Let's listen to

it.

So I'm a feminist.

My question is about the role of women, though.

What should women's role in public and private life look like?

And what are the material benefits of that?

Can I take it?

I don't want to take this detour, but can we both agree on what a woman is?

Yes.

An adult human female, it's a biological state of being that is also socially experienced.

Can I please elucidate just one example of that social experience?

Yeah, I was gonna answer your question, but

sure go ahead.

Yeah, okay.

So let's say you're a member of a tribe and that in that tribe you have the biological female anatomy and in order to become a woman in that tribe you have to also get a tattoo.

That's a social experience that's mapped on to biological reality.

Can a woman have a prostate?

So as per my definition of woman, I would say that people who have a prostate are biologically male, but they can sometimes

be socially treated as women.

Okay, got it.

So women can have prostitutes, got it.

So you're a feminist that actually isn't just fighting for women, you're also fighting for men.

So, yes, men also experience harms from patriarchy, but I argue... We're

talking about the same feminism, though, just make sure.

Yeah, sure, go ahead.

So, men also experience harm from patriarchal domination, but I would argue that those harms come from that system of domination itself.

Do you think women are happier than they were 40 years ago?

I think that women report more stress and dissatisfaction today, not because they have more rights or because of feminism, but because they're under dual pressure to both excel professionally and also because of the domestic labor in homes that is structured around outdated...

expectations.

So for example, studies like the OECD's Better Life Index show that women's life expectancy, education levels, professional achievements have risen in countries with higher gender inequality.

So I would argue that what you're calling unhappiness is actually visibility, because now we hear women expressing dissatisfaction, whereas in the 50s, we prescribed them Valium and we

lobotomized.

Yeah, that's really rich.

I didn't know women not to complain 50 years ago.

That's funny.

So

I know, hold on a second.

Why

are suicide rates going up more for women?

I think that

encouraging materially women are killing themselves more.

Why is that?

I think that even if both men and women have become unhappier, men's suicide rates have risen as well.

And that's also been exponential.

Can you at least concede that feminism offers only one potential explanation?

There could be also other.

Of course, obviously, but feminism is the glaring thing in front of us where we have fertility rates down.

We have marriage rates down.

We

have unhappiness up.

And we did something in the 1960s out of the universities of Brettie Friedan and Gloria Steinem and all these feminists that basically said, you're trapped in a home, go get a job, freeze your eggs, take birth control.

And all of a sudden women are way unhappier than they were 40 years ago.

And I just have to ask the question, why is that?

Is it working?

And maybe there are biological differences between men and women that we should respect and that deep down a lot of women want to get married and have children.

In fact, we should applaud it and we should support it and we should say it means nothing if you're going to go be a CEO of some

shoe company or be some banker in London?

What matters if you raise children and you have something to pass down long after you're gone?

I think I would bring two points to that.

The first one is just really simple, which is that you can ascribe liberalism all you want as the cause of the unhappiness.

I would argue something else.

I would say that it's certain economic policy that has very little to do with the social acceptance of alternative lifestyles.

I would say that we can recognize that income inequality across a vast swathe of Western countries has increased, which causes all kinds of social ills, a lack of social cohesion, housing price growth doesn't correspond with wage growth, monopolies increase.

they become kind of emboldened to interfere with politics and monopolies don't prioritize social health either.

I think that those offer more compelling reasons for a decline in happiness than an increase in freedoms, because just one more thing, on an intuitive basis, generally speaking, people want more freedom, not less.

The women with kids are not the ones tearing down statues, right?

They're the ones that actually have obligations.

Tearing down statues correspond to some kind of smiles per capita data set that I wasn't

aware of.

I mean, again, it's a

little

bit of a one-liner.

The happy and the grateful.

The happy and the grateful usually don't go burn down Wendy's in their spare time, of which we saw in our country all throughout a single summer.

But as a side note, you would agree objectively, study after study, survey after survey, that the women of the West that are married and have children, especially a lot of children, are four happier than even the ones that earn more money correlated at the same age.

So I also don't think that happiness is a very good metric and neither do you because you think gay people shouldn't just pursue happiness by being gay.

They have other moralistic considerations to be making.

So I don't think smiles per capita is a particularly convincing way to measure whether or not we should encourage women to be autonomous.

I think we should maximize agency within a fair system that has reasonable parameters because it's expedient, it's good for the economy, it's logical, it's the moral thing because if we can't prove the material harms, we shouldn't discourage it.

And also self-reported studies is a really flawed way to do psychology.

It's the week before my university exams right now and I'm standing

here, explaining the basic methodology behind survey collection in sociology, which you don't even think is a real subject, to Charlie Kirk.

If I took one of those surveys right now, I'd check extremely miserable.

But so would a Palestinian child who's been torn to smithereens.

How are we going to measure this?

You

would say extremely

miserable?

We are

out of time.

But we're coming back with UW pediatrics professor Jim Conway talking about vaccinations and much more on John According.

Great debate.

Unbelievable.

Unbelievable.

Yes.

Coming right back.

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Okay, let's get to our guest this morning UW pediatrics professor Jim Conway joins us again.

Jim, good to see you.

Welcome aboard.

Good

morning, guys.

Good to be with you again.

Yeah.

So much to get to here.

There is a lot to get to.

You know, let's just kind of talk briefly about the the debate, Charlie Kirk

and

and a feminist.

Now, I tried to get her name.

I could not find it.

It's on YouTube, but the channel is the special relationship.

It's it's not there that I

was able to find anyway, but she did a fantastic job.

And tomorrow, about the same time, we'll hear the second half of that where he gets trounced and a little analysis by the special relationship host after that as well.

So anyway, that's coming up.

And truly, as Jim, you mentioned, no one is able to think and talk that fast.

Or

process what she's saying that

fast.

Yes, just amazing.

stuff.

Um, now we're going to get to, uh, you know, the, uh, the vaccine issue that, uh, uh, just kind of blew everybody away and is now becoming normalized.

Let me play a, a cut here, Jim, before we start in this, I think this is the best way to start.

Nancy may cut 200.

Let's listen to this.

All that's coming from the left and we have to be honest and tell the truth.

And I mean, you, I mean, I, I don't know if you guys have been on social media this morning, but you've got pregnant women.

recording videos of themselves taking Tylenol, which has now been linked to autism.

And they hate Trump more than they love their babies.

I mean, that to me, it is so insane on where we are today.

Like the Democrat Party has some ownership in this and they need to take responsibility for.

This they're denying science.

They're denying there's violence when they're egging it on and we can't get past that until they recognize their role in it

now I know is but bizarre as that statement is the part that I really wanted to highlight was the fact that now this is a truism that Tylenol Causes autism that is the damage that it's doing to society at this point.

What do you think Jim?

Well, I think that you have to worry about how people are in their echo chambers and trying to find things that mimic what they want it to say You know, I think that what the marker is that people are misunderstanding is that when you look at people that are ill during their pregnancy There's certainly an increased risk that their fetus and their child may turn out to have some medical problems

and things like Tylenol are things that people take when they're ill.

And so what we're talking about really is the difference between association versus causation.

Did these two things just happen to happen around the same time or did one of them actually cause the other?

And what we now know after decades of research is that there really doesn't seem to be any evidence that acetaminophen, Tylenol,

specifically causes any kind of birth defects.

It's really when you unpack it, the other illnesses that people are taking that medication for that likely are at least associated with it.

We're still, you know, struggling to try to understand what these neurodevelopmental problems really are caused by.

I think they're probably multifactorial.

you know, one of the things that we've seen out of the Scandinavian data is that there does seem to be a genetic predisposition in certain families and then something else happens during the pregnancy that potentially sets it off.

But there's no evidence at this point, you know, that taking a particular medication is what did it.

I think everybody that deals with infants and babies and pregnancy, you know, certainly acknowledges that less is more and that everybody wants to minimize anything that mothers are

taking unnecessarily, including both illegal and legal substances.

And so, you know, that's really the key part of this is everything in moderation.

But there's no evidence at this point that that acetaminophen or Tylenol is directly dangerous to either the mother or the baby.

So the illness could be the cause of autism, possible cause of autism, right?

or at least contributing.

And again, people have been trying to figure this out for many, many years.

And when it takes this long to figure something out, it usually means that it's multifactorial, that there's lots of different things that have to come together for these kinds of unfortunate outcomes to happen.

And certainly it's worthwhile both understanding how it happens and also trying to figure out what you can do to help these kids live their best lives.

But trying to scare people around certain things and then potentially making them suffer

whether it's, you know, the migraines or the headaches or the discomfort of the pain or fevers if they get ill, that seems unreasonable and unfair.

Well, it seems like what we're doing now is we're just spreading rumors, rhetoric, just, you know, assumptions that aren't true at all, as we heard from Nancy May saying, you know, that Tylenol causes autism.

I mean, that's probably as simple as it can get on the right, the messaging.

to them, I think is probably what's dominating the discussion, at least from the mega cult that we have out there.

That's how I'm seeing it.

For her to say that, it seems like everybody else on the right might be also thinking that as well.

And it's a detriment to assuming that maybe medicine can do things that is just a normal everyday process in our life provided by doctors.

this kind of discredits everybody, doesn't it, at this point?

Yeah, I mean, I guess I'm not as much of a conspiracy theorist, and I'm not always sure that there's truly nefarious intentions here.

I think a lot of it is truly misinformation.

You know, as Einstein said, everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.

And, you know, I think there's this

Desire to try to simplify things in a way that unfortunately does people a little bit of a disservice Because you know complicated topics are complicated for a reason and when they try to overly simplify it You know, maybe it makes it easy for them to wrap their brains around it, but they're really not

providing useful information for people.

They're just unfortunately scaring people.

Yeah.

Now, I remember RFK Junior recommending taking healthier foods as a way to stave off some of these viruses that are spreading throughout the country now.

And of course, now to fight autism, they have recommended a vitamin.

What's your input on that?

What do you think about that?

Well, I mean good nutrition is always important and I think that it's clear that you know There's a lot of people that don't get adequate and reasonable vitamins.

I mean, that's part of the reason you know during pregnancy You know, I'm not I'm not an obstetrician But you know, it's common to give mothers prenatal vitamins as one of the things you give them just to make sure that they've got all the building blocks To build the best product they can build.

I mean, that's the that's the definition of what a vitamin is It's things that we can't synthesize ourselves that we need to get

from another source to make sure that we've got all the building blocks to keep ourselves healthy.

So I certainly wouldn't disparage the idea of a healthy, well-balanced diet that contains vitamins to be healthy for everybody.

But it's a little bit of a delusion to think that it was widespread enough deficiencies that everybody now needs to take mega doses of a particular vitamin to stave these things off.

That's right.

I mean, they're saying that this vitamin will fight off autism.

Now, is there any kind of basis in fact on that?

I mean, no,

I mean, one of the things we do know is you may have heard of spina bifida and spinal cord defects, you know, and those were found clearly to be related to folate deficiencies.

And so now folic acid, which is a B vitamin is now given routinely to mothers.

And there's a lot of foods that are supplemented globally to make sure that people get enough folic acid so that the spinal cord and neurologic system

Develops properly so that's been known for many many years the idea that though you can start taking mega doses after you're already born and having it somehow repair things Is a little bit of a stretch so you know some of these things are sort of based a little bit in plausibility And then they're sort of taken a little bit to an extreme.

Yep talking with Dr. Jim Conway.

He's UW pediatrics professor and let's get into RFK junior and

bringing back placebo testing, right?

Yeah.

What do we have on that?

I mean, let's queue up, cut 173 here.

All right, let's take a look at that.

This I think is, I don't know, probably a step backward as far as I can see.

Let's listen.

You know, probably the worst example of malevolent malpractice.

has been adding all of these new products to the schedule without doing pre-licensing safety studies.

Oh, in 1986, there were 11 vaccines on the schedule.

Today, a compliant child must take between 69 and 92 vaccines to stay in school in some states.

And now one of them has been safety tested in a pre-licensing placebo control trial.

And that is just malpractice.

So the people who are in charge of that are now gone.

And we're going to bring people onto the ACIP panel, not any vaxxers.

We're bringing people on who are credentialed scientists, who are highly credentialed physicians, who are going to do evidence-based medicine, who are going to be objective, and who are going to follow the science.

and make critical public health determinations for our children based upon the best science.

From what I know, Jim, the placebo trials aren't used as often as they have been in the past.

Is that correct?

Well, yeah, I mean, it's on ethical to do so.

So when you, you know, this is one of those things, when you start out with something that is a completely new phenomenon and a completely new disease and you have no idea what to do,

placebo control makes sense.

In other words, you give something to somebody and you give nothing to another group.

And that's the way you get started.

But as you then start to make progress.

It becomes unethical to give people a placebo.

Let's say you've got leukemia.

We've been treating leukemia for decades.

If you're developing a new treatment for leukemia, are you going to leave somebody with leukemia completely untreated on a placebo while you test a new drug?

Of course not.

You test it against what the standard of care is at that time.

And so as we move forward with new vaccine developments, you give one group of people the pre-existing standard of care, and then you give the other group

What the new thing is that you're trying to see is this an improvement?

Vaccines only have two questions that you have to answer when you're developing them.

Are they safe and are they effective?

And every single vaccine we have are tested in ways that both determine the safety and the efficacy.

Vaccines are tested in far larger groups of people to make sure you're not missing rare side effects because you're essentially giving things to well people.

to keep them well.

And so when you look at drugs, you know, those are tested in 10 or 15,000 people.

When you look in vaccines, they're tested in 70, 100,000, 150,000 people because we're so intent on making sure that they're safe.

So that's just a complete misunderstanding of the scientific method and the scientific process of science and also disparaging, you know, people that have been vetted were really well trained and well established scientists that really understood the scientific method and

And unfortunately, a lot of them were colleagues of mine that were now dismissed.

But that's a complete delusion to think that we haven't been doing these things in an ethical way to define safety and efficacy.

Well, this is bad advice, in other words.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, this is going backwards.

You're right.

By decades to say that we would suddenly start depriving one group of people.

with a placebo, something that's been the standard of care for many, many decades.

Well, Jim, there's even one thing that I noticed is that this vitamin that they're giving for autism now is not going through any of these processes at all.

They're just going to experiment on the public by giving them this vitamin to prevent autism to see if it works.

Isn't that amazing?

Can you hold over the commercial

break

here?

We have a few more questions.

All

right, we're talking with UW-Pniatrix Professor Jim Conway.

We'll come back and we'll have more for you on John

Kathryn Lake

and Courtney.

Try to break

the day just a little bit with all the doom and gloom news at rehab on this program.

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It is 752 beautiful sunshine mid 80s today still in mid 50s this morning.

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In fact, it is this coming Sunday, October 5th.

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the Alzheimer's Association to talk more about that walk.

All right, we're talking to Dr. Jim Conway, UW professor of pediatrics, and we're getting his opinion on the bro-ha-ha over vaccines, you know.

I want to get to Trump's comment about delaying the hepatitis B vaccine.

Let's listen to this cut.

Hepatitis B is sexually transmitted.

There's no reason to give a baby that's almost just born hepatitis B. So I would say, wait till the baby is 12 years old and formed and take hepatitis B. And I think if you do those things, it's going to be a whole difference.

It's going to be a revolution in a positive sense in the country.

There you go.

There you go, our acting doctor and president, Donald Trump, making whatever thing he wants to make up for public absorption.

I don't know, what do you think about something like this?

I mean, this is so dangerous, so ridiculous, and so out of line with actual, you know, the medical community.

It just, what's your input on this thing?

Yeah, I mean, I think we all need to stay in our lane and, you know, this is again a piece of misinformation and a misunderstanding.

I mean, certainly, I think hepatitis B was back many decades ago, you know, associated as a sex, drugs, rock and roll type disease.

But, you know, we have to acknowledge that some of those people then were mothers of childbearing age who then became pregnant and could transmit it and

Before we started vaccinating with hepatitis B, there were about 20,000 kids who had hepatitis B before the age of 10 in the United States.

And the problem with hepatitis B is if you get it as an adult, there's a chance you get it and actually clear it.

If you get it as a baby, you are pretty much committed you're going to have chronic hepatitis B. And so that was one of the most common causes of liver failure and liver cancer.

I mean, that's why we cared so much about it.

Committee was proposing was to make sure that every mother got screened for hepatitis B And then we knew which ones had hepatitis B Which means that we're gonna then have to do a better job with prenatal care and access to medical care And that's one of the biggest problems we have is there's a lot of people that don't get adequate prenatal care and may acquire hepatitis B potentially unbeknownst to themselves at some point during the pregnancy and it's at the time of delivery that it's the big issue so they got to do a better job of making

prenatal care available for everybody if that's an approach that they even want to take.

Yeah all right let's get to I know it it's jaw dropping to think that this is the kind of device that's coming out there you know he wouldn't let other doctors say this he had to come out and say all this stuff himself and it sounds even more ridiculous hearing him say this but I want to play something from our own Dr. Kristen Lirely about

the autism vaccines and so on and so forth.

Let's listen to what she had to say about this.

Kristin Lyerly

People who have family members who are taking care of friends with autism.

They're suffering they want an answer and to give them this false hope and to somehow make it seem like it is their fault that they ended up in this situation is just so Beyond shameful and for the president of the United States to say it in the way that he said it and then to go on and say the pregnant women should just suffer with their pain I mean

You don't want them to have birth control.

You don't want them to have abortions.

You want them to get pregnant, but you don't want them to have the things that they need to be able to navigate their pregnancies safely, including hospitals in rural areas where they can deliver their babies.

I mean, you've got to be kidding

me.

I think that about just about sums it up.

What do you think, Jeff?

Yeah, I couldn't say it any better than that.

I mean, that is all of it, you know, packaged nicely.

Yeah.

Well, thanks for being our guest again.

When we have these problems and I'm sure that RFK junior is not going to stop there.

So the next time there's a report, we have to have you on and talk to you about all of this stuff.

Well, I'm always happy to come back.

You know, it is respiratory vaccine season, so please everybody get your flu vaccine, talk about getting your COVID vaccine.

They should be rolling out pretty quickly in most of the health systems.

And then for those who are eligible, RSV protection is certainly important as well.

So do what you can to keep ourselves and our communities and our families healthy.

All right.

Very good.

Thank you, Jim.

That's Dr. Jim.

Thanks, guys.

Dr. Jim Conway from UW-Pediatrics.

Appreciate him being with us tomorrow on the show.

We'll have Lisa Bernard from the Dane County Humane Society, and we'll check in with Hannah Vann.

She's the senior manager of our Walk to End Alzheimer's, and again, you can go to our website, wmdxradio.com, and sign up for our Walk to End Alzheimer's, which is happening this coming Sunday at Warner Park.

Hope to see you there.

My dear Suzanne.

Maybe that will bring that back tomorrow.

Okay, you know we should end on a high note, huh?

Do we have any good news here?

There must be some.

There's a new breakthrough that could bring holograms to your smartphones.

That sounds like fun, huh?

I need to have my face planted and the smartphone wore off.

Get this a lost iPhone survives two months submerged in a river and it still worked when it was returned to its owner Wow that good news.

That's really good

news.

They cost a lot of money Tom Do you have any good news to share with us either remaining?

I'm talking to my siblings tonight, and we're gonna have a find a time to hang out at one point time

So that's good news, you know, it's yeah Stephanie Miller is coming up next.

We hope you have a wonderful day I know I will talk to you in 22 hours.

Well, thank you.

All right.

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