When the chips are down and democracy's back is up against the wall, two radio veterans step up to the microphone to right the wrongs, standing for truth, justice, and just because.
To say what needs to be said, it's John and Gordy on 92.7 WMDX.
Mdx 92.7 John and Gordy in the morning and it is a Regular actually a pretty nice morning.
Yeah, we've had pretty boring weather and I'm loving every second of it.
I mean this is fantastic weather,
isn't right?
Yeah, happy Monday.
Yeah, yeah
It's good.
It's nice.
Happy Monday.
Happy Monday.
It's nice.
It's nice.
Not a happy Monday.
No, I mean, we're
just lucky to be here again.
Each and every day we're lucky to be a country.
My God, this thing is just a disaster.
What an S show.
I am, I'm, I'm sorry.
This is just beyond my comprehension.
I've never seen anything like this.
And, you
know, these guys out there, those Megas,
There's got to be a point at which they say, this has got to be the line that I can't step over.
Yeah, I'm not
yet.
Apparently not.
Yeah.
All right.
Yeah.
Wow.
You're coming in hot this morning.
Well, you and I were talking about the Packer game and that
got me
started.
Oh,
I know.
That got
me started.
What a game that was
last night.
What a great game.
I watched the whole thing.
Oh, that's fantastic.
To walk away disappointed at the end of 11-15 when I'm ready to pass out.
What?
You mean you don't like tie scores?
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
You
spent all
that time watching a damn game and they cut
it off as a tie score.
Yeah, and then it's the end of the game.
You know, it's all hugs and kisses between the teams.
Oh, that was a battle.
We
both lost, but we both won.
It's like, oh, come on.
Give me a break.
That's BS.
It is BS.
Why don't they just have the two quarterbacks come out and arm wrestle or something for the final point or just do something.
Just do flip a coin.
I don't care.
Rock paper scissors.
That's what I'm saying.
Rock paper scissors.
But what a game, though.
I mean, nine lead changes just back and forth all night long.
40-40.
Yeah.
Well, you know, it's tough playing.
That was the
final.
It's tough playing Dallas because they have that that
one star out of American flag on their helmets.
What can you do?
They're
the America's team.
Oh yeah, Lone Star State.
Oh yeah, it's not from the flag, it's from their flag.
That's right.
Oh well.
But yeah, it was a great game except the ending.
And as I mentioned, you spend all that time watching a damn game all that time.
You go into overtime, you've got hopes.
And then they stop the game because they made some arbitrary rules saying, well, just one overtime, that's it.
Yeah, that's all.
Why?
That's all you get.
All the people
that
drove to the stadium to see this game, and they all got stung.
I mean, this is a huge disappointment.
I hate these rules.
These ridiculous, stupid rules.
Play until you win.
That's why you play the game.
Okay.
Right.
Yes.
Okay.
I'm done.
I don't know.
You know,
this
football thing has got me angry.
Should we go to the phones?
Matt is on the line for Middleton.
I blame Trump for this.
Okay, Matt, go ahead.
Good morning, Matt.
Morning, guys.
Yes, it is Trump's fault.
Steve?
I blame him for everything.
But I had to call, though.
Happy Monday.
I think we need to let the government shut down.
Screw these, Magga.
Let it, let it.
People voted to have it all burn and crash.
Let it burn and crash.
They need to learn the lesson.
Let the farmers go bankrupt.
Why do farmers get socialism while the rest of us get rugged capitalism?
Lift yourself up by your bootstraps.
Republicans are always messing the farmers up and then giving them bailouts with the socialism.
Why
should only left-leaning Democrats
get fired to lose their livelihood while we bail out farmers, who voted to have it all burned down.
They voted for this.
This is their thing.
Oh, they didn't see it coming.
They didn't believe he'd do something like this.
Oh,
yeah, all the excuses.
Sorry about that, right, Matt?
I mean, this is it.
We're giving them all the money.
We're giving them the tariff money that we have put tariffs in to prevent these.
imports of food and exports of food.
This
is ridiculous.
I don't even know what are we doing?
$20 billion, Argentina.
What do
I care what happens in Argentina?
People are really, really stupid.
I'm pissed.
Me too.
Me too.
I'm done.
Okay
We're gonna have a great
day see the Republicans only they have the house they have the Senate they have the White House they have Supreme Court they have all the power and now they're blaming the Democrats Okay, really right
and not only that but it's fun to hear Trump say you know what if there's a shutdown yeah, I'm firing everybody That I think should not be paid
you know they do have to pay some of these people to stay on all the people that aren't going to stay on because they got to keep the government running a little bit all those people they're not just going to get laid off or you know put off for a few months or weeks or days
They're fired completely.
This is his threat.
This
is
what he's holding over the Democrats.
No, he's holding it over Americans.
And these are people with jobs and families and bills to pay, and he wants to fire them permanently because that's how he negotiates with the Democrats.
This is brutal stuff.
Yeah, it is.
All right, so anyway,
what are we talking
about?
All right.
Well, do you have a good weekend?
I
went to Portobello Friday night just because.
No kidding.
Yeah.
Beautiful place.
I haven't been there in 20 or 30 years.
I mean, it was so great to go there.
And the rumor is that they're shutting down, right?
Well, yeah.
Yeah, for a big apartment.
I asked the server about that.
I don't know what's the deal with them shutting down.
Oh, no, that's just a rumor.
Yeah.
Like really?
Okay.
They're at the mercy of the city.
I guess, but yeah, no, they're just saying, they were very tight lipped about it.
They weren't going to say anything.
I think, I think you just got to keep Portobello open.
Oh man.
This will bring a lot of business support about
just talking about the fact that they might go away.
There's the courtyard.
Were you in the courtyard or
were you inside?
Well actually, the courtyard.
all set up, but nobody was out there.
And actually, they'd taken the chairs
in, and it
wasn't that late.
I don't know why they didn't have the courtyard going.
Maybe they just didn't have enough servers.
But
there's an ambiance inside
Portobello.
Oh, man.
It's unbelievable.
That is
unbelievable.
I
mean, it's
like stepping into a time zone.
I
know.
It doesn't
exist any words.
It was out there maybe 50 years ago.
I know.
It's such a beautiful place.
It is.
What?
OK.
We had a call, but we lost the call.
All right.
Anyway.
So that's what I did.
What did you have, an Italian dish of some sort?
I just had some appetizers, and then I was drinking heavily.
I passed out at the table, they had to haul me out.
No, it is.
That's why we don't go out to dinner.
I always have to carry monsters.
Some things never change.
So now, and then Saturday night, I was driving, you know, because I live downtown, so I'm driving around a little bit.
All these people dressed in banana suits.
I
mean, really?
I mean a couple
of hundred of them, at least.
Yeah.
Trust in banana suits.
I'm like, what is going on?
Yeah.
And Dom, you saw some of this too, right?
I
went to the stuff all of Saturday night, and they
were
also just there, just walking around.
And I was like, did I miss a... Students, mainly.
Yeah.
And I
was wondering, what's going on?
I need to know,
what is going on?
We looked it up this morning, and the banana bar crawl is what it's called.
And it's a nationwide, it's like a promotional thing.
So these different bars sign up to
And then they offered discounts if you're dressed in the banana suit Wow, but they hand out the banana and so they were like identical banana suits I kind
of regret getting rid of my banana costume now you had a banana I did have a banana costume.
I thought what an unusual It's like a crescent moon, right?
And which I also liked, but the banana costume, I guess, was fine, you know, with the Savannah bananas.
Oh, sure.
You would
think that would be the costume to wear there as
well.
Yes, yeah.
Well, it was just very weird to see all these.
Everybody's
walking around.
I wish I had seen
that.
I'll have to drive around town
a little bit more.
Well, apparently there's another one coming up in November.
November 9th, I think,
yeah.
Remind me of this.
I have to go.
I'll buy, I might buy a banana suit and join.
Yeah, that's how awesome it was.
Yeah, I think you buy the tickets
online.
And all the, I don't know, a dozen or so bars that were involved in the promotion.
yeah so it was a good deal you walk around you get you know free drinks or whatever i'm surprised you know discount drinks
they wouldn't have something like uh the cow costume right right those became very big very popular and they're still very
popular oddly
Yeah, and that dinosaur suit.
I don't know if you guys know it's like this big dinosaur suit Everyone wears everyone buys it.
It's just a big onesie.
Really?
Yeah, maybe I'll buy it now I'll bring it in but
it's giant.
It's
huge.
Yes.
Yeah, I mean it goes way over your head right near walk around it Maybe you yeah, you might know what I'm talking about.
Yeah, I think I've seen one of those.
Yeah, they're popular.
Yeah Tom, did you have a good weekend?
I did, man.
I had my anniversary with my girlfriend, my three-year anniversary.
Wow.
Three years.
Really?
Three years, yes.
You
started going out with it when you were 15.
What?
No.
When I was eight or 19.
Okay.
Yeah, it was really fun.
We went to the melting pot.
It was good.
We ate some raw food.
It was great.
Okay.
Yeah.
Do we have time for raw food?
That's always nice to have raw food.
Do we have time for would you rather?
I think we do.
Yes we do.
Alright.
Alright, let's get this out of the way.
First question.
Would you rather
read the book or watch the movie?
That's anything.
You'd rather
read the book or watch the movie?
I like the movie version.
I agree.
I'll go with that, too.
I think I would, yeah.
I think that's an easy
one.
Cross the board.
Never
been a big book reader.
Okay, that's one reason to see the movie, but... Um, alright.
Second question.
Would you rather show up to a job interview with stained pants or pit stains?
Good
question, isn't it?
That's just they're both terrible.
No win question.
I think I would
do pit stains.
Yeah, I suppose so.
Might as well look nervous for the interview.
Right!
Yeah, that's a good thinking.
Yeah, okay.
That's all I got.
That's it?
You don't have a bonus question because we all agreed on the first two?
You should have a bonus question.
Which one?
Okay, what?
No, he's making it up.
Yeah,
Portabellier stuffed olive, I don't know.
What?
Okay, all right.
All right.
By the way, I'm looking into seeing the movie one battle after another.
where I think we're going to set up a time on Tuesday for the family to go out and see this.
I've been reading so many really incredible reviews about this movie.
It's almost like we
went
out in some civil war.
I haven't heard anything about this.
I know.
What's the name of it?
I didn't know anything about it either until like yesterday or the day before I read a review on it and say, well, it's the best movie out there.
It's a moment in time that is similar to what's going on right now.
So it's something I think we should probably, you
know, plan
on seeing sometime.
What's it called
again?
It's called One Battle, another, after another, one battle after another, one battle after another.
So I don't even
know the title.
But I'm
going to go see this damn movie.
There you go.
Yeah, yeah.
19 past the hour, we're just getting going on a Monday morning.
Next up, the fabulous farm babe, Pam Yonkey, going to preview the World Dairy Expo, right here on John and Gordy in the morning.
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Let's check in with Pam Yankee, the fabulous farm babe.
Good morning, Pam.
Morning guys,
how are you after a
beautiful weekend in Wisconsin?
Yeah, it was fantastic.
Did you stay up late last night to watch the Packer game and did a tie?
I did.
Me
too.
Yeah, yeah, it's...
I knew it was going to be a tough Monday just by virtual when that game was.
And then the more I tried to sleep with one eye open, I knew it was just getting worse.
So yeah.
The only
thing I've got good this week is the World Dairy Expo.
That'll keep me hopping.
So
I'll
regain my momentum.
We had a little discussion on this program, this rule, this arbitrary rule of just stopping the game after one overtime.
What do you think about something like that?
You spend all this time, all this effort, and then they have this weird rule that just stops the game at a tie?
Yeah.
Personally, you gave her the vintage, too.
Remember, I think it was George Carlin, sudden death, and remember that
big he used to do
about...
sudden death versus going home and
all that
kind of thing.
I'm more of a sudden death person myself.
Let's keep scratching and crawling until there's nothing left of us.
That's
right.
Wow.
I love that
attitude.
All
right.
All right.
Well, let's
get to
the World Dairy Expo.
This
is another thing, sudden death.
The World Dairy Expo.
I don't know why that relates.
But anyway, this is really, this is a huge event and you
gave us a little insight into this.
Wow, I didn't know this much stuff went into the rural
area.
It's
huge.
This is fantastic.
Could fill us in a little bit.
I mean, the fact that these exhibitors who show up for this have to pay so much money.
Well, sure.
You know, I thought to myself when I was visiting with these folks as their cattle, they were arriving.
Must have been Friday last week and.
I was talking with this guy from upstate New York that brought 14 animals in two semis.
And it took
him 18
hours to come from the Finger Lake area of New York and get the cattle.
Now, he had to make a stop because these cows are all about routine.
So they had to make a stop at Ohio to milk the cows.
The semis.
those semis are built with vacuum lines so all they basically do is take the milker in the semi and they can melt the cows while they're in the semi and I said well now how do you do that I mean do you have a generator on the semi no he said we go to an RV waste side where they've got
power, and also that's where they can dump the milk when they get done milking them because they can't obviously,
they're not
going to carry that along with them.
And I thought to myself, can you imagine a family that's pulling up in an RV and you're next to a semi load of cows with this old, odd pulsating noise coming from within.
You know, so, but you know, it took him 18 hours to get here.
And the part that really shocked me, I actually had to ask him a couple times, he did the same thing last year, he's been
exhibiting since about, I want to say 2017, maybe earlier.
Last year for him, his staff and everything $90,000 just for the opportunity to show at World Dairy Expo.
His hotel bill, he's kind of got a wee bit of a stick crossways with Dane Coney and Madison.
His hotel bill alone for him and his staff $15,000.
What?
Oh,
man.
Yep.
What
does he get out of this?
What does he get out of this?
Well,
the goal is that your animals are going to do so well that the genetics that you have will be sought after and that you will regain some of your money back that way.
But I mean, that's on a wing and a prayer.
I mean, you are in the ring with these elite animals from all across North America.
So, you know, it's kind of like catching magic at a bottle.
You hope you
got it.
But you're still out that money regardless.
And the other part I thought was interesting is now there's it's gotten so expensive and the staff is so difficult to find.
You just don't have farm kids that are fit and cattle and taken care of things.
So now this particular barn, they were cooking the meals in the barn right next to the animals.
They bring their own refrigerator.
They bring crock-pots that put my tailgating to shame.
And they make meals.
for all of their staff and I'm not talking pizzas they had brisket when I looked in the refrigerator it was like brisket something you'd see
in a
downtown madison restaurant and they they want to feed they want to feed those kids and those helpers very very well so that they stick with them and don't get tempted
to go next aisle over and work with somebody else.
But yeah, $90,000 was his tab last year, and he said he's not sure he's going to be able to get by that cheap this year.
Yeah.
Well, I know there's the Badger Dairy Club.
They sell their famous grilled cheese sandwich out there.
That's a big event.
Correct.
And Kirschner's premium ice cream out of Barron County.
They're pretty big now, too.
What's the story on that?
So tonight is the World Dairy Expo Dairy Product Contest.
They're going to recognize the winners.
One of them, as you pointed out, is up in Chatec, Kirschner's Super Premium Ice Cream.
They were the grand champion in the ice cream gelatos, etc.
And then another
Turtle Lake Cheese Company, Lake Shuman Cheese.
They won with a vanilla marscapone.
That sounds so good.
Marscapone is a cheese, but it's a dessert cheese.
And I just can't imagine with Madagascar.
Vanilla.
So
yeah, they're going to be recognized tonight.
The contest concluded a couple weeks back tonight.
They get their awards at World Dairy Expo.
OK, now I have one more thing.
I know
less than a
minute imported cattle come in and they have to have a passport.
The cattle have.
Yeah, cattle have to have a passport.
You bet.
And you sit in line with them.
You and your RV are along with them waiting for the border patrol
to go through all their
paperwork before you get through.
Oh,
man.
All right.
OK, Pam.
Well, I have.
at the World Jury Expo.
I know it's going to be a busy week for you.
Thank you for joining
us.
Absolutely,
yes.
Good deal.
All right, man.
I mean, check it out.
All the effort they put in, I want to go to this.
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I am the most overrated and most over... over decorated.
And currently, currently I am the most over berated actress.
Who likes football of my generation?
It's embarrassing and it's terrifying to put the target on your forehead and it sets you up for all sorts of attacks and armies of brown shirts and bots and worse and and The only way you can do it is to feel you have to you have to you don't have an option you have to stand up speak up If we live through this precarious moment
If his catastrophic instinct to retaliate doesn't lead us to nuclear winter, we will have much to thank this president for, because he will have woken us up to how fragile freedom really is.
That's Meryl Streep responding to Donald Trump, who called her overrated, and a good
response there.
WMDX 92.7 John according in the morning when you hear
Trump trash other individuals, all the comedians.
There isn't a funny comedian out there,
to
him.
And that's only because they have criticized him and his ego can't handle that.
And now actresses and actors are all either bad or good, depending on whether they agree with him or not.
There's something wrong with the person, okay?
Yes.
Really, CJ.
My friend, uh, my, uh, Milwaukee friend, uh, who is a MAGA.
Come on, you guys.
I mean, think about it.
There's something mentally disturbed up there.
I mean, he is not all there.
Right.
So come on.
Yeah.
People can disagree with you.
It's not an insult.
It's not a personal attack.
It's just they don't like you.
Okay.
It's a personality clash.
Let's put it that way.
Yeah.
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No problems going to be nice and warm high in the mid 80s.
Lots of sunshine right now.
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Let's go to the phones.
Catherine is on the line this morning.
Good morning, Catherine.
I didn't think you'd have time for me.
You guys have already taken like nine calls.
It's crazy.
Good
morning.
Friday, Monday.
I'm just so grateful to hear that.
I saw that Meryl Streep cut.
I knew immediately what you were playing.
You know what I took away from it?
I'm taking back the word woke.
Go ahead, call me woke.
Yes, I am.
I am woke.
Because like you were saying, John, debate is gone.
There's no more Republicans and Democrats working together debating the very meritous sides of a discussion.
That's gone now.
It's only a one-sided conversation.
And she's right.
Well, thank you, Donald Trump.
You woke me.
And I'm going to use that word all the time
now.
Let's find a find a way to kind of work that into the show.
Mm-hmm.
All right.
We're gonna.
Thank you.
We'll try and do that.
All right.
Yeah.
Oh,
thanks.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's a good idea.
We're
wide awake now.
Yes.
We're all woke.
We're all woke.
Are you a woke this morning?
Yeah.
Maybe we could slip down.
Are you woke?
I think so.
Yeah.
Hey, Charles is on the line.
Let's go back to the phones.
Good
morning, Charles.
What do you got for us today?
Hey, hey, good morning guys.
So let's see we got we got war ravage ravage Portland Charles
we got that coming up a little after seven
o'clock Then then we got
We got Americans acting a plump fool at the Ryder Cup.
That was something.
And then you got Margie Taylor Green letting everybody know that she's not suicidal.
Yeah.
Circus is in town.
Yes.
Yes.
Are we winning yet?
I don't know.
Good question.
And I'm with Matt, the first caller.
We don't need to bail out the farmers.
I'll keep saying that.
You guys were stupid enough to vote for him the first time and he screwed you and you got lucky with bailouts.
And he screwed you the second time.
How stupid can you be to keep voting for somebody that is only concerned about their own pockets and the other rich people?
It's like a gambler losing at the table and turning to the guy next to him.
Can you pay for this?
Hey, hey, good show so far, guys.
Thank you.
All right,
Charles.
Thanks.
Appreciate that.
608-879-8255.
All right,
let's get to some of this farmer talk here.
You know, Trump is killing big ag now.
Farmers can't sell their stuff, and they're losing connections internationally.
So let's listen to cut 211 here, and I think it's self-explanatory.
Let's check it out.
That alongside, of course, the President's effort to realign America around American products and making all of these new deals, we are at a point where we're looking at the harvest, where we're looking at our soybean, corn, wheat, sorghum, cotton farmers who are facing very, very difficult times.
We are currently in conversations here at the White House across the government on a farmer aid package.
In our current programming right now, we've got about 13
billion dollars moving out under ECAP, which is our old farmer payment system based on losses from last year and the year before.
So this would be in addition to that in partnership with our colleagues on the Hill.
We should have an announcement very soon, perhaps in the next couple of
weeks.
I want to take our money.
We're doing well because of tariffs.
We're doing unbelievable.
We're making more money than we ever have made.
And by the way, we're going to take some of that tariff money that we've made just to get off the sub
for a second we're going to take some of that tariff money that we made we're going to give it to our farmers who are for a little while going to be hurt until it kicks in the tariffs kick into their benefit so we're going to make sure that our farmers are in great shape because we're taking in a lot of money
so he doesn't really get it right he's got the tariffs that are causing
this shortage and this difficulty for the farmers and now he's going to use it to help bail them out.
By the way, it doesn't always bail everybody out.
Right.
A lot of these farmers will go under because of this, the smaller woods and big corporations will probably get most of the money like the last bail out.
We have gone through this before and for some reason they voted him in anyway.
You know, they can gamble and we end up paying the debt what they lose.
Yeah.
And I'm a big supporter of farmers.
I mean, that's why we have Pam Yankee on the show.
Sure.
Because
we want to support them more than anything here in the dairy state.
We've got to have that.
And I wish that we could connect somehow.
You know, the woke with farmers, please, you know, we want you to provide a field to table.
We want you to provide all this, this food for us.
And even that is almost impossible to provide now because the funding isn't there to help facilitate bringing farm food to local communities.
It's just ended.
Yeah,
it's
hard
enough to be a farmer, you know,
even without all
this stuff going on.
I mean, these small family farms and even the bigger ones, they're all struggling.
And it's all because of what Trump has done again to
them.
Yeah.
And, you know, a lot of these farms are going out of business.
When I was doing the census, driving through the countryside, there were so many farmhouses, just abandoned farmhouses.
Yeah.
And the fields are now part of somebody else's.
We got
a
text here from Corey in Watertown.
Trump is going to bail out the farmers with tariff money until the tariffs kick in.
Say that a couple of times and let that sink in if you're going to bail them out with the money until the money kicks in.
Yeah.
Round and
round it goes.
And supposedly the money was paying off the debt.
Yeah.
The national debt only because, you know, all of these tax cuts.
So now that's not happening.
This is a very well thought out plan here and we got a shutdown happening in a couple of days.
Okay now you know this is idiocracy and we like to you know go back in time as well to relive some of the more dangerous and ridiculous moments of our life and and I want to go back a little bit I want to get the British take on what happened at the UN and Trump.
All right, so this is a little bit of coverage here.
This is 198 Let's listen to this perspective.
All right, let's listen
Donald Trump came with a message to the UN about where it's going wrong and to tell its member countries what they need to change
All I got from the United Nations was an escalator that on the way up stopped right in the middle If the first lady wasn't in great shape, she would have fallen
and then a teleprompter that didn't work.
These are the two things I got from the United Nations, a bad escalator and a bad teleprompter.
He singled out Sadiq Khan, the mayor of London for criticism.
I look at London where you have a terrible mayor, terrible, terrible
mayor.
Don't say it, don't
say it.
It's been so changed, so changed.
Don't go there.
Now they want to go to Sharia
law.
But you're in a different country.
You can't do that.
Mr. Khan has said he's not going to dignify these picketed comments with a response.
The other great threat facing the world, according to President Trump, is not climate change, but attempts to halt it with renewable energy.
Global warming, he said, is a hoax.
It's the greatest con job ever perpetrated on the world in my opinion.
Donald Trump came here seven years ago and bragged about his achievements in office and the people listening to him actually
laughed at him.
It was a humiliating moment for him.
But things have changed so much.
Nobody dares do that now.
So even as they listen to him, lecture them on how they should be running their own countries with these fixations on climate change and on immigration, he was still applauded at the end of it because everybody knows they have to treat Donald Trump much more carefully now.
He's a madman.
That's why.
Now bear with me on this.
We know that the follow-ups were done by his staff on the elevator and the teleprompter.
All right, we know that.
But for some reason, no one else is telling him that.
So let's go to cut 209 here, cut 209 and listen and listen to this.
Okay.
And Trump demanding an investigation into what he is calling quote,
triple sabotage during his visit to the United Nations.
In a social media post he wrote in part, a real disgrace took place at the UN yesterday, not one, not two.
but three very sinister events.
Your staff.
The sinister events he is referencing involve a stopped escalator, a broken teleprompter and audio issues.
John, these are petty grievances, but it really underscores President Trump's broader complaints about the United Nations and its capacity to solve some of the world's most intractable global conflicts.
And we heard that in the president's speech.
President taking to social media to lay out in great detail what had happened here.
unable to just let it go and move on, because honestly, this wasn't a coincidence.
This was triple sabotage at the UN president, then demanding an immediate investigation.
Oh, okay.
Investigation.
Yes, amazing.
Q of 207, though.
But some guy online knows a little bit more, and this is a web wisdom.
Telling the truth finally listen
it appears the UN has discovered who the culprit was that stopped the escalator at the UN Right as Donald Trump had stepped foot on it and it turns out to be Trump's own videographer He apparently inadvertently set off a safety mechanism on the escalator that forced it to shut down and stop He was traveling backwards up the escalator trying to take a video
of Trump and the First Lady going up and arriving to the UN and he somehow triggered the safety mechanism.
The UN went and looked at the central processing unit of the escalator and it indicated that this mechanism had been triggered.
This mechanism is
designed to
stop people or things from getting caught
under the
escalator and forced into the gears.
Trump was furious about this happening and the White House called for a thorough investigation and for whoever was responsible to be fired.
And it turns out to be
one of their own.
And he was also extremely furious about the teleprompter not working properly and went on a tirade about that.
And it turns out.
It's
ancient strange.
Even
the regular public knows what
happened.
Right.
We're coming right back with more of Idiocracy.
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It's Mission Impossible here on this show as we try to make sense of the Trump administration.
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We're going to talk vaccinations and medical stuff, get the latest on... Well, all the
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I guess public health a little bit.
Yeah, we'll talk about Tylenol.
Is it good or
not?
Gee, I don't really wonder.
Anyway, you know, we're also talking off the air here about Mission Impossible.
I was watching both
of the last two movies, and that is Mission Impossible, the final reckoning.
I love them.
I mean, the first movie was really fantastic.
We loved that.
And then we found out on Prime, where you can watch movies that are still at the theater, but pay a subscription price.
We paid $6.99, which I thought was a good deal for both of us.
So we decided to watch both movies and see how
Came together and it was really really cool, but there was a scene in the movie where they were showing all these IDs that Ethan Hunt
who, by the way, is the character in Mission Impossible.
And they were showing all these IDs, but the one that stood out was the one where Ethan Hunt is from Madison, Wisconsin.
That's what his ID says.
That's right.
You froze it and took a picture of it.
I took a picture of it.
Yes.
Of his ID.
I can't believe it.
All these years, I didn't
know that's where he was from.
He was
from here.
Wow, born 1964, August
18th.
There it is.
Ethan
Hunt,
Madisonian.
Who knew?
I didn't know that.
All right.
Little things you find out.
Oh, we have CJ on the line.
Hey, CJ, what's going on?
Happy Monday, CJ.
Happy Monday, gentlemen.
Thank you for taking my call.
You bet.
As I hear you talk about...
You know President Trump at the UN.
Yeah, he told them the truth.
It was it was Perfect Because they needed to hear it.
They do have so much potential and as far as James Comey, that's gonna be the first because he deserves to be charged Lied to the FISA court three times Knows that he lied to the FISA court
And you guys obviously have not read the John Durham report.
It's well worth it.
You'll learn so much about the truth of where all that lies came from, who paid for it, the Hillary Clinton campaign.
It was a discredited report.
Including the President Obama.
The Durham report was discredited.
I mean, it was nothing.
It was a nothing burger.
Well,
James Comey says,
bring it on.
Yeah, let's go to court.
Let's go to have a trial because truth.
Because when he found the seashells on the, uh, the shoreline 86, 47, he just happened to find that.
Didn't he?
That's right.
Then, you know, 86 is a, a very popular, uh, term used in the restaurant business.
So maybe he was just, you know,
The
same I don't like I
don't like the crab.
You know, that's Well, you
know what we got trouble have to testify They go to court most trusted institutions.
Yeah Well, he's making him.
He's making the Obama administration.
Yeah, but is the way through the Biden administration
is me making every trusted institution not trusted at this point
No, I don't believe so.
I believe he is.
Just like the UN, he told them the truth.
Well, here's my point on this.
The UN has done nothing to stop the wars.
All right.
Well, he hasn't either.
He was going to stop the war in Ukraine immediately, and he has not done that.
So I wouldn't talk about that.
I wouldn't open that can of worms.
But here's the question.
I am opening that can of worms because it's the truth.
How
has the UN done to stop any of those wars?
Absolutely nothing
well
has has trumped on anything here the truth guys
and by the way Trump said that none of these These shootings none of this unrest would ever happen if he became president and how is that going for?
How's it turned out
well you guys are the party of assassination so you tell me oh we are
Oh,
why do you say that?
Why do you say that that information?
Did you ever look up that study?
Because yes, I study your party has no problem with violence political violence.
All
right.
Well, I think your party does look at the study.
I know.
Is that
the study that Trump took
down?
University Rutgers University.
So, yeah, you guys,
you know, I'm just telling you the truth.
I know we are.
I know you are.
And we'll look up that Rutgers University study.
All
right.
I gave you the information.
You obviously didn't look it up.
Did you send the information?
I don't remember
seeing that.
And whoever discredited the John Durham report,
the John Durham report went nowhere.
It was nothing.
You obviously didn't read it guys.
It's a great read.
Well, I don't read things that are
discredited right away.
I don't have time for that.
You know, I didn't care about it.
It was a partisan witch hunt anyway, the Durham report.
So I didn't care.
659, we've got news straight ahead and an update on the weather.
Also, we'll check in with Brittany Merlot in our next hour.
It was like looking at a Michael Gabelman study, you know?
And you can't put too much on that either.
Also, we'll talk to UWP Actrix Professor Jim Conway.
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It's a beautiful morning.
First of all, you guys put on a good show, and I think that goes without saying.
I love your show.
I listen all the time.
You have a pretty fun show.
I listen to it most of the time, you know.
Keep up the good work.
Now it's disgusting.
It's a ploy.
God, I love you.
Get the hell off the
stage.
Nice work, everyone.
Sharp broadcasts.
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Good morning, John and Gordy.
Good morning, John and Gordy.
Good morning, John and Gordy.
Good morning.
And we'd like to thank the person who does most of the work on this show, and that is Donald Trump providing us tons of material.
Thank you very much.
Thank
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I know.
There's a lot of paperwork involved in this.
I don't know that, but I'd take care of it all.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
All right, let's get... You know, these studies that CJ and in the Megarite...
present all the time
are
always polls.
They're not actually studies, they're polls.
And the Rutgers University published a study concluding that Democrats are more prone to violence, just misleading and not supported by the available evidence.
It was a poll conducted in partnership with Rutgers and they found concerns about political violence and it
Depends on who's winning the propaganda wars.
Yeah, okay And that's I think what this poll is all about and the Republicans the magas are always winning this stuff because they have a machine that does this for them The Democrats have never thought about doing anything like so Anyway, there's widespread concern.
I get it.
But you know what?
The facts don't support it
Let me see Melissa Hortman shooting at home Josh Shapiro arson at the home Joe Biden the White House U-Haul trailer incident Nancy Pelosi home break-in
Gretchen
Whitmer kidnapping plot Esther Silas shooting at home Obama Biden Clinton male bombs Clementa Picney shopping at church or shooting at church rather
Barack Obama militia bomb plot Gabby Giffords being shot.
What is all this?
Republican
Attempts on other people all right and mostly Democrats of course The only three that aren't is a Brit Kavanaugh.
Somebody scouted his home, right Steve Cole a scolese of course
shot Yeah,
they had a baseball game and then he came back healthy as heck and still supports no gun laws.
Okay, Donald Trump And that was somebody grabbed an officer's gun
I guess wanted to use it on him.
But again, three incidents, Democrats.
And I didn't even finish the Republican incidents.
Donald Trump at the golf course, Donald Trump shooting at the campaign rally in Butler.
I guess that's about it.
But, you know, it's overwhelming the Republican.
Those are the facts.
And if you want to go by a poll, what people think, then the MAGA is actually winning.
public opinion on all of this.
All right, now let's get to the big story and that is war ravaged Portland.
Oh my God, this is just
whoa.
What a situation.
I've
been watching all the videos on X.
pretty flowery gardens there.
A lot of people strolling, you
know,
shopping, not quite seeing the madness there.
In fact, I watched a video of the ice detention center and they were like, maybe, maybe.
two dozen people, you know, kind of wandering around in front
of the building.
Yeah.
That's, that's Portland.
Yeah.
Well, it's very
peaceful.
It was described as things appear to be peaceful with members of the group, mostly standing around while music played in the background.
A couple kicked the soccer ball around the street.
I
know this is the, and they're sending troops in at this point.
My they.
They also talked to some of the neighbors, this TV station, and they're complaining about nightly noise, tear gas, the pepper balls, get this, one nearby school even relocated because the use of chemicals and munitions went into the school grounds, making the area unsafe.
What?
Yeah, so they had like whatever.
Ammo all over the ground.
It says here, Trump said to the governor, Tina Kotek,
Wait a minute.
Am I watching things on television that are different from what's happening?
Who knows what he's watching on TV says my people tell me different They are literally attacking there are fires all over the place.
What is he watching?
The governor's response is this is not a military target But anyway, it apparently is for Trump.
He posted this I am authorizing full force, which means
Bullets by the way.
It means death.
It means murder.
It means Authorizing our military to use lethal force against American citizens.
That's what it's all about Wow Stepping it up.
Yeah
stepping it
up, but you know people have a sense of humor on X and Somebody thought well, you know this if if it's really a truly a war rabid city Portland maybe
There are people there sending letters out.
And this is a take off.
This could have been a big meme, but no one really picked up on it.
It's PBS's Ken Burns series of documentaries.
And this is the source of their parody.
And this is the war ravaged Portland on X. And let me just read the letter.
Here we go.
OK.
My dearest Suzanne I I write from deep in war ravaged Portland We are a city under siege The NTF of forces have our city surrounded They are demanding better coffee and more hot yoga classes If reinforcements do not soon arrive I'm afraid we have no choice but to
but deck ourselves in hemp pants and bathe in patchouli.
If all is lost, you'll find me at Whole Foods drinking kabocha.
Forever yours, my darling.
Antifa Sergeant Beauregard Rutledge.
Wow.
It does, man.
Tearing up over it.
That was great.
Well, Memphis is next.
You know, that's next on the list.
Of course, you're
having a southern accident.
What's up with that?
It's the only accent we know on this show.
That's right.
You got it.
You got it, partner.
Another
exposter.
They were surprised as anyone like this post.
Oregon, Portland, Oregon, the most dangerous battlefield in America.
You never know where the next farmer's market might pop off.
The smell of artisanal sourdough hangs in the air.
You hear that?
That's the sound of kumbucha.
Ready to blow.
Better roll the
tanks.
God help us.
And here's one.
This is from Mehdi Hassan, by the way.
And this is a serious note.
He wrote, this should be impeachable.
War ravaged Portland.
He's insane and insanely power hungry.
The script is set.
Call an imaginary group, a terror group, and then send in the troops.
And that's true.
Again, Antifa is not a group.
And of course, Trump wants to make that an international designation that they are a terrorist group.
They don't exist.
Completely unorganized.
I'm sure there's no one out there, no other country out there that wants to follow up on that
one.
But our hearts go out to Portland.
Yeah.
You
know, I wonder what Fred Armisen's gonna do with Portlandia.
Yeah, Portlandia.
I think they're coming to Madison sometime soon.
Maybe that, I don't know if that shows actually.
Maybe they'll have a point of view on that.
Perhaps.
I'd like to see that.
Now this is a strange thing.
federal ice thugs on top of the Broadville, Illinois federal building roof are shooting non-lethal rounds, including pepper balls and tear gas.
Those are the things that they found in, you know, a school grounds in Warthorne, Portland.
But anyway, they're actually shooting these these things at just the protesters hovering around a fence.
They're not even a
danger to
anybody.
You
know, they're on the other side of the fence, but they're shooting from the rooftops at these protesters.
So this is an attack on just protesting the First Amendment right to protest your government.
That's what they're doing.
Now get this on X. Borders are Tom Homan posted this.
You won't believe this.
Would you support, this is his question on X, would you support the National Guard using water cannons for defense tonight against the Antifa rioters at the Ice Broadway facility in Illinois?
What?
Yes or no?
What?
Yes.
Tom Hulman.
He's asking for it's a poll.
He's having whether he should be violent or not to protesters.
What?
On X. Oh my God.
Yeah.
And I thought this was kind of interesting.
Nancy Mace, representative Nancy Mace, says Nancy Pelosi should go to prison for orchestrating January 6.
Do you agree with Nancy Mace?
All these ridiculous little polls that these people are running
on X.
Well, and they'll get their bots to respond, I'm sure.
Oh, yeah.
You know, that
just clicks in
automatically with these polls.
And the other thing too, and we'll probably get to this when we talk about the vaccines, but Obama posted this.
He said Republicans would rather shut down the government than help millions of Americans afford health care.
Right.
And again, what's happening is they're saying that the Democrats are insisting on spending more money to allow
Immigrants illegal immigrants to get health care in this country when that is completely fabricated and made up They're not getting benefits anyway, but they made this up what they're really doing is telling the American public or miss misguiding them then the American public should know that
The Democrats are trying to save the tax credits for the Affordable Care Act so people can afford health care, their monthly premiums, and if they go up, no one's going to be able to afford those monthly premiums.
That's what it's all
about.
That's why
they want to
stop the government.
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I've got a two-parter here, and we're going to play part one right now.
This is Charlie Kirk.
Debate with a feminist and I was just so fascinated with this You know I have a background of being a part of the feminist movement way back when yeah, my sister who went to Madison at the age of 16 Joined up with a feminist movement and she made sure that her younger brother.
Yeah, that's you
was a feminist as well, and I was brought up that way.
Anyway, I thought this was fantastic stuff.
You have to hear this.
Again, this is Charlie Kirk talking to a feminist, and it is, I think, he uses every cliche you could possibly use, every dumb question he could possibly pose to her, but she had an answer for each and every one of them.
Let's listen to it.
So I'm a feminist.
My question is about the role of women, though.
What should women's role in public and private life look like?
And what are the material benefits of that?
Can I take it?
I don't really want to take this detour, but can we both agree on what a woman is?
Yes.
An adult human female, it's a biological state of being that is also socially experienced.
Can I please elucidate just one example of that social experience?
Yeah, I was going to answer your question,
but sure, go ahead.
Yeah, OK, OK.
So let's say you're a member of a tribe, and in that tribe you have the biological female
anatomy and in order to become a woman in that tribe you have to also get a tattoo.
That's a social experience that's mapped on to biological reality.
Can a woman have a prostate?
So as per my definition of woman, I would say that people who have a prostate are biologically male but they can sometimes be socially treated as women.
Okay, got it.
So women can have prostates, got it.
Okay.
No.
So you're a feminist that actually isn't just fighting for women, you're also fighting for men.
So, yes, men also experience harms from patriarchy, but I argue... We're
talking about the same feminism, though, just make sure.
Yeah, sure, go ahead.
So, men also experience harm from patriarchal domination, but I would argue that those harms come from that system of domination itself.
Do you think women are happier than they were 40 years ago?
I think that women report more stress and dissatisfaction today, not because they have more rights or because of feminism, but because they're under dual pressure to both excel professionally and also because of the domestic labour in homes that is structured around outdated
expectations.
So for example, studies like the OECD's Better Life Index show that women's life expectancy, education levels, professional achievements have risen in countries with higher gender inequality.
So I would argue that what you're calling unhappiness is actually visibility, because now we hear women expressing dissatisfaction, whereas in the 50s, we prescribed them Valium and we
lobotomized.
Yeah, that's really rich.
I didn't know women not to complain 50 years ago.
That's funny.
So,
hold on a second.
Why
are suicide rates going up more for women?
I think that encouraged- You're not
complaining.
Materially women are killing themselves more.
Why is that?
I think that even if both men, both men and women have become unhappier, men's suicide rates have risen as well, and that's also been exponential.
Can you at least concede that feminism offers only one potential explanation?
There could be also other explanations.
Of course, obviously, but feminism is the glaring thing in front of us, where we have fertility rates down, we have marriage rates down,
we
have unhappiness up, and we did something in the 1960s out of the universities of Brettie Friedan and Gloria Steinem and all these feminists that basically said, you're trapped in a home, go get a job, freeze your eggs, take
control and all of a sudden women are way unhappier than they were 40 years ago and I just have to ask the question why is that is it working and maybe there are biological differences between men and women that we should respect and that deep down a lot of women want to get married and have children in fact we should applaud it and we should support it and we should say it means nothing if you're gonna go be a CEO of some shoe company or be some banker in London what matters if you raise children and you have something to pass down long after you're gone.
I think I would bring two points to that the first one is just really simple which
is that you can ascribe liberalism all you want as the cause of the unhappiness.
I would argue something else.
I would say that it's certain economic policy that has very little to do with the social acceptance of alternative lifestyles.
I would say that we can recognize that income inequality across a vast swathe of Western countries has increased, which causes all kinds of social ills, a lack of social cohesion, housing price growth doesn't correspond with wage growth, monopolies increasingly become kind of emboldened to interfere with politics and monopolies don't prioritize social health either.
I think that those offer more compelling reasons for a decline in happiness than an increase in freedoms, because just one more thing, on an intuitive basis,
Generally speaking, people want more freedom, not less.
The women with kids are not the ones tearing down statues, right?
They're the ones that actually have obligations.
Tearing down statues correspond to some kind of smiles per capita dataset that I wasn't
aware of.
Again, it's a little
bit of
a minor.
The happy and the grateful.
The happy and the grateful usually don't go burn down Wendy's in their spare time, of which we saw in our country all throughout a single summer.
But as a side note, you would agree objectively, study after study, survey after survey, that the women of the West that are married and have children, especially a lot of children, are four happier than even the ones that earn more money correlated at the same age.
So I also don't think that happiness is a very good metric, and neither do you, because you think gay people shouldn't just pursue happiness by being gay.
They have other moralistic considerations to be making.
So I don't think Smiles per capita is a particularly convincing way to measure whether or not we should encourage women to be autonomous.
I think we should maximize agency within a fair system that has reasonable parameters because it's expedient, it's good for the economy, it's logical, it's the moral thing, because if we can't prove the material harms, we shouldn't discourage it.
And also self-reported studies is a really flawed way to do psychology.
It's the week before my university exams right now, and I'm standing here explaining the basic methodology
behind survey collection and sociology, which you don't even think is a real subject to Charlie Kirk.
If I took one of those surveys right now, I'd check extremely miserable.
But so would a Palestinian child who's been torn to smithereens.
How are we going to measure it?
You would say extremely miserable?
We are out of
time.
But we're coming back with UW Pediatrics Professor Jim Conway talking about vaccinations and much more
on John Accordi.
Great
debate.
Yes.
Unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
Yes.
Coming right back.
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Jim, good to see you.
Welcome aboard.
Good morning guys.
Good to be with you again.
Yeah so much to get to here
There is a lot to get to you know, let's just kind of talk briefly about the the debate Charlie Kirk
and
And a feminist now I tried to get her name.
I could not find it.
It's on YouTube but the channel is the special relationship It's it's not there that I
was able to find anyway but she did a fantastic job and tomorrow about the same time we'll hear the second half of that where he gets trounced and a little analysis by the special relationship host after that as well.
So anyway that's coming up and truly as Jim you mentioned no one is able to think and talk that fast or
process what she's saying that fast.
Yes, just amazing stuff.
Now we're going to get to the vaccine issue that just kind of blew everybody away and is now becoming normalized.
Let me play a cut here, Jim, before we start.
And this, I think this is the best way to start.
Nancy May cut 200.
Let's listen to this.
All that's coming from the left.
And we have to be honest and tell the truth.
I don't know if you guys have been on social media this morning, but you've got pregnant women recording videos of themselves taking Tylenol, which has now been linked to autism.
And they hate Trump more than they love their babies.
To me, it is so insane on where we are today.
The Democrat Party has some ownership in this, and they need to take responsibility for
This they're denying science.
They're denying there's violence when they're egging it on and we can't get past that until they recognize their role in it
now I know is but bizarre as that statement is the part that I really wanted to highlight was the fact that now this is a truism that Tylenol Causes autism that is the damage that it's doing to society at this point.
What do you think Jim?
Well, I think that you have to worry about how people are in their echo chambers and trying to find things that mimic what they want it to say You know, I think that what the marker is that people are misunderstanding is that when you look at people that are ill during their pregnancy There's certainly an increased risk that their fetus and their child may turn out to have some medical problems
and you know things like Tylenol are things that people take when they're ill.
And so what we're talking about really is the difference between association versus causation.
Did these two things just happen to happen around the same time or did one of them actually cause the other?
And what we now know, you know, after decades of research is that there really doesn't seem to be any evidence that is acetaminophen Tylenol.
specifically causes any kind of birth defects.
It's really when you unpack it, the other illnesses that people are taking that medication for that likely are at least associated with it.
We're still, you know, struggling to try to understand what these neurodevelopmental problems really are caused by.
I think they're probably multifactorial.
you know, one of the things that we've seen out of the Scandinavian data is that there does seem to be a genetic predisposition in certain families and then something else happens during the pregnancy that potentially sets it off.
But there's no evidence at this point, you know, that taking a particular medication is what did it.
I think everybody that deals with infants and babies and pregnancy, you know, certainly acknowledges that less is more and that everybody wants to minimize anything that mothers are
taking unnecessarily, including both illegal and legal substances.
And so, you know, that's really the key part of this is everything in moderation.
But there's no evidence at this point that that acetaminophen or Tylenol is directly dangerous to either the mother or the baby.
So the illness could be the cause of autism, possible cause of autism, right?
or at least contributing.
And again, people have been trying to figure this out for many, many years.
And when it takes this long to figure something out, it usually means that it's multifactorial, that there's lots of different things that have to come together for these kinds of unfortunate outcomes to happen.
And certainly it's worthwhile both understanding how it happens and also trying to figure out what you can do to help these kids live their best lives, but trying to scare people around certain things and then potentially making them suffer
whether it's, you know, the migraines or the headaches or the discomfort of the pain or fevers if they get ill, that that seems unreasonable and unfair.
Well, it seems like what we're doing now is we're just spreading rumors, rhetoric, just, you know, assumptions that aren't true at all.
As we heard from Nancy May saying, you know, that Tylenol causes autism.
I mean, that's probably as simple as it can get on the right.
The messaging
to them, I think, is probably what's dominating the discussion, at least from the mega cult that we have out there.
That's how I'm seeing it.
For her to say that, it seems like everybody else on the right might be also thinking that as well.
And it's a detriment to assuming that maybe medicine can do things that
you know, is just a normal everyday process in our life, provided by doctors.
This kind of discredits everybody, doesn't it, at this point?
Yeah, I mean, I guess I'm not as much of a conspiracy theorist, and I'm not always sure that there's truly nefarious intentions here.
I think a lot of it is truly misinformation.
You
know, as Einstein said, everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.
And, you know, I think there's this
Desire to try to simplify things in a way that unfortunately does people a little bit of a disservice Because you know complicated topics are complicated for a reason and when they try to overly simplify it You know, maybe it makes it easy for them to wrap their brains around it, but they're really not
providing useful information for people.
They're just, you know, so unfortunately scaring people.
Yeah.
Now, I remember RFK Junior recommending taking healthier foods as a way to stave off some of these viruses that are spreading throughout the country now.
And of course, now to fight autism, they have recommended a vitamin.
What's your input on that?
What do you think about that?
Well, I mean good nutrition is always important and I think that it's clear that you know There's a lot of people that don't get adequate and reasonable vitamins.
I mean, that's part of the reason you know during pregnancy You know, I'm not I'm not an obstetrician But you know, it's common to give mothers prenatal vitamins as one of the things you give them just to make sure that they've got all the building blocks To build the best product they can build.
I mean, that's the that's the definition of what a vitamin is
It's
things that we can't synthesize ourselves that we need to get
from another source to make sure that we've got all the building blocks to keep ourselves healthy.
So I certainly wouldn't disparage the idea of a healthy, well-balanced diet that contains vitamins to be healthy for everybody.
But it's a little bit of a delusion to think that it was widespread enough deficiencies that everybody now needs to take mega doses of a particular vitamin to stave these things off.
That's right.
I mean, they're saying that this vitamin will fight off autism.
Now, is there any kind of basis in fact on that?
No, I mean, one of the things we do know is you may have heard of spina bifida and spinal cord defects, you know, and those were found clearly to be related to folate deficiencies.
And so now folic acid, which is a B vitamin, is now given routinely to mothers.
And there's a lot of foods that are supplemented globally to make sure that people get enough folic acid so that the spinal cord and neurologic system develops properly.
So that's been known for many, many years.
The idea that though you can
start taking mega doses after you're already born and having it somehow repair things is a little bit of a stretch.
So, you know, some of these things are sort of based a little bit in plausibility, and then they're sort of taken a little bit to an extreme.
Yep.
Talking with Dr. Jim Conway, he's UW pediatrics professor, and let's get into RFK Junior and bringing back placebo testing, right?
Yeah.
What do we have on that?
I mean,
let's queue up, cut 173 here.
All right, let's take a look at that.
This I think is, I don't know, probably a step backward as far as I can see.
Let's listen.
You know, probably the worst example of malevolent malpractice has been adding all of these new products to the schedule without doing pre-licensing safety studies.
Oh, in 1986, there were 11 vaccines on the schedule.
Today, a compliant child must take between 69 and 92 vaccines to stay in school in some states.
And not one of them has been safety tested in a pre-licensing placebo control trial.
And that is just malpractice.
So the people who are in charge of that are now gone.
And we're going to bring people onto the ACIP panel, not anti-vaxxers.
We're bringing people on who are credentialed scientists, who are highly credentialed physicians, who are going to do evidence-based medicine, who are going to be objective, and who are going to follow the science and make critical public health determinations for our children based upon the best science.
From what I know, Jim, the placebo trials aren't used as often as they have been in the past.
Is that correct?
Well, yeah, I mean, it's unethical to do so.
So when you, you know, this is one of those things, when you start out with something that is a completely new phenomenon and a completely new disease and you have no idea what to do, placebo control makes sense.
In other words, you give something
to somebody and you give nothing to another group.
And that's the way you get started.
But as you then start to make progress, it becomes unethical to give people a placebo.
Let's say you've got leukemia.
We've been treating leukemia for decades.
If you're developing a new treatment for leukemia, are you going to leave somebody with leukemia completely untreated on a placebo while you test a new drug?
Of course not.
You test it against what the standard of care is at that time.
And so as we move forward with new vaccine developments, you give
one group of people, the pre-existing standard of care, and then you give the other group what the new thing is that you're trying to see is this an improvement.
Vaccines only have two questions that you have to answer when you're developing them.
Are they safe and are they effective?
And every single vaccine we have are tested in ways that both determine the safety and the efficacy.
Vaccines are tested in far larger groups of people to make sure you're not missing rare side effects because you're essentially giving things to well people.
to keep them well.
And so when you look at drugs, you know, those are tested in 10 or 15,000 people.
When you look in vaccines, they're tested in 70, 100,000, 150,000 people because we're so intent on making sure that they're safe.
So that's just a complete misunderstanding of the scientific method and the scientific process of science and also disparaging, you know, people that have been vetted were really well trained and well established scientists that really understood the scientific method and
And unfortunately, a lot of them were colleagues of mine that were now dismissed.
But that's a complete delusion to think that we haven't been doing these things in an ethical way to define safety and efficacy.
This is bad advice, in other words.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, this is going backwards.
You're right.
By decades to say that we would suddenly start depriving one group of people.
with a placebo, something that's been the standard of care for many, many decades.
Well, Jim, there's even one thing that I noticed is that this vitamin that they're giving for autism now is not going through any of these processes at all.
They're just going to experiment on the public by giving them this vitamin to prevent autism to see if it works.
Isn't that amazing?
Can you hold over the commercial
break
here?
We have a few more questions.
All right, we're talking with UW-Pediatrics professor Jim Conway.
We'll come back and we'll have more for you on John and
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All right, we're talking to Dr. Jim Conway, a UW professor of pediatrics, and we're getting his opinion on the bro-ha-ha over vaccines, you know.
I want to get to Trump's comment about delaying the hepatitis B vaccine.
Let's listen to this cut.
Hepatitis B is sexually transmitted.
There's no reason to give a baby that's almost just born hepatitis B. So I would say, wait till the baby is 12 years old and formed and take hepatitis B. And I think if you do those things, it's going to be a whole difference.
It's going to be a revolution in a positive sense in the country.
There you go.
There you go, our acting doctor and president, Donald Trump, making whatever thing he wants to make up for public absorption.
I don't know.
What do you think about something like this?
I mean, this is so dangerous, so ridiculous, and so out of line with actual medical community.
What's your input on this thing?
Yeah, I mean I think we all need to stay in our lane and you know this is again a piece of misinformation and a misunderstanding.
I mean certainly I think hepatitis B was back many decades ago you know associated as a sex drugs rock and roll type disease but you know we have to acknowledge that some of those people then were mothers of childbearing age who then became pregnant and could transmit it and
Before we started vaccinating with hepatitis B, there were about 20,000 kids who had hepatitis B before the age of 10 in the United States.
And the problem with hepatitis B is if you get it as an adult, there's a chance you get it and actually clear it.
If you get it as a baby, you are pretty much committed you're going to have chronic hepatitis B. And so that was one of the most common causes of liver failure and liver cancer.
I mean, that's why we cared so much about it.
Committee was proposing was to make sure that every mother got screened for hepatitis B And then we knew which ones had hepatitis B Which means that we're gonna then have to do a better job with prenatal care and access to medical care And that's one of the biggest problems we have is there's a lot of people that don't get adequate prenatal care and may acquire hepatitis B potentially unbeknownst to themselves at some point during the pregnancy and it's at the time of delivery that it's the big issue so they got to do a better job of making
prenatal care available for everybody if that's an approach that they even want to take.
Yeah all right let's get to I know it it's jaw dropping to think that this is the kind of device that's coming out there you know he wouldn't let other doctors say this he had to come out and say all this stuff himself and it sounds even more ridiculous hearing him say this but I want to play something from our own Dr. Kristen Lirely about
the autism vaccines and so on and so forth.
Let's listen to what she had to say about this.
People who have family members who are taking care of friends with autism.
They're suffering they want an answer and to give them this false hope and to somehow make it seem like it is their fault that they ended up in this situation is just so Beyond shameful and for the president of the United States to say it in the way that he said it and then to go on and say the pregnant women should just suffer with their pain I mean
You don't want them to have birth control.
You don't want them to have abortions.
You want them to get pregnant, but you don't want them to have the things that they need to be able to navigate their pregnancies safely, including hospitals in rural areas where they can deliver their babies.
I mean, you've got to be kidding
me.
I think that about just about sums it up.
What do you think,
Jeff?
Yeah, I couldn't say it any better than that.
I mean, that is all of it, you know, packaged nicely.
Yeah.
Well, thanks for being our guest again.
When we have these problems and I'm sure that RFK junior is not going to stop there.
So
the next time there's a report, we have to have you on and talk to you about all of this stuff.
Well, I'm always happy to come back.
You know, it is respiratory vaccine season, so please everybody get your flu vaccine and talk about getting your COVID vaccine.
They should be rolling out pretty quickly in most of the health systems.
And then for those who are eligible, RSV protection is certainly important as well.
So do what you can to keep ourselves and our communities and our families healthy.
All right.
Very good.
Thank you, Jim.
That's Dr. Jim.
Thanks, guys.
Dr. Jim Conway from UW-Pediatrics.
Appreciate him being with us tomorrow on the show.
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My dear Suzanne.
Maybe that will bring that back tomorrow.
Done with the Southern
Act.
Okay.
You know, we should end on a high note, huh?
Do we have any good news here?
There must be something.
There's a new breakthrough that could bring holograms to your smartphones.
That sounds like fun, huh?
I need to have my face planted and the smartphone wore off.
Get this, a lost iPhone survives two months submerged in a river and it's still worked.
when it was returned to its owner.
Wow.
Isn't that good news?
That's really good news.
They cost a lot of money.
Tom, do you have any good news to share with us?
I'm going to
talk to my siblings tonight, and we're going to have a fun time to hang out at one point in time.
So that's good news.
All right.
Stephanie Miller is coming up next.
We hope you have a wonderful day.
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Talk to you in 22 hours.
Well, thank you.
All right.
So
long.
As we
were saying, let the sun shine.
