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We're truly sorry.
Well, it's sorry that we're each and every morning here on WMDX, doing
the
morning show.
Look, I get it, you know?
It came right out and sat it, which made it very easy for me to understand.
But you know, I didn't expect
it from Medicine Magazine to do basically the same thing, you know?
To reject us, to not invite us to the photo shoot party that they had, I get it.
You know, I'm okay with it.
You know, I always look forward to being invited to these special events, having been a best of Madison winner.
Same with
you,
Gordy.
You're a big winner.
1994, yeah.
But
they don't go back and try to thank everybody that has participated in their little competition, the little tiny competition no one cares about.
So, you know, as far as I'm concerned, I'm okay.
I'm okay with not being invited.
Not
being
invited.
It's okay.
of my wife won.
She came in third place for writer.
So
she got invited, right?
Yeah, no.
No, she didn't get invited either.
Why didn't she get an
invite?
Isn't that crazy?
They're shunning both of you for your past bad deeds.
I
poisoned the pool on this one.
They thought, well, she's going to bring that guy.
Yeah, nobody wants to see him.
Well, into the last time I was there, I went up to the podium
and after three hours
just to
thank
everybody.
No, that's not true.
But we need to go up to the podium.
Here's the thing that really bothers me an awful lot about this is that the
It seemed to think that there is a certain group of people that should be invited and other people who may win, but they're really not as important as the other people who constantly win the contest, you know.
Kind of a private club, I guess.
I think it is an elitist club at Madison Magazine that refuses.
Look, I don't care.
Why do I care?
That's right.
Would I complain?
Of
course not.
I don't
complain about
things like
that.
Why would we complain?
We've won plenty of awards over the years.
Exactly.
Of course not together.
At
this time in our lives, do we really need another award on the wall?
No one
cares.
It's just some junk that they'll throw away when we're gone.
You're right.
Why should we care?
Who cares?
We're in the twilight of our careers.
We don't need any recognition or anything.
That's right.
But I would like an award.
Guys, I mean.
We just got started.
You gotta be around a few years before you can get considered.
I don't think they give awards for producers usually.
Yeah, no, I don't I don't think so
either way
I'd lose I'd lose to pack right loves Parker is on on his game all day every day
By the way, where are they in our studio?
Yeah, what's going on here?
They're
see we we do
see two morning shows civic media has a morning show statewide Right, and then they have the local morning shows like John and Gordy in the morning and and and let me see
here Don Rosen.
Oh Don Rosen.
That's right.
Yeah a few others
Up north?
No, I don't think so.
Way up north.
Way up north.
You know, we bought some more stations up in the UP.
And those
stations stay the same.
We just knew ownership, that's all.
So there are other morning shows.
Anyway, yeah, but Pat's here, but we didn't have a chance to talk to him because he already closed.
Well,
he closed the door
on us
as soon as we
walked by.
He realized, hey, that's fine.
It doesn't matter.
Everybody.
takes their turn shunning us.
We're not scoreboarding anything.
Don't worry.
It's okay.
We understand.
Oh, hey, weather for today.
It's kind of
cool.
Yeah, it is cool.
Change the
subject.
Um, here I thought we were going
to get warmer weather and all of a sudden it's, you know, sweater weather, actually.
Well, the high today is just going to be 72 degrees.
It's nice and clear out there this morning and not humid
at
all.
What does your Samsung WMDX watch have to say about things?
You got a little move.
You're
like Art Kearney in the Honeymooners.
We're on camera.
We had to perform a
little bit.
Check out our
YouTube, Facebook, everything
in between.
649
is the sunset time as well.
Okay.
Very good.
Anything on the dew point?
No need to check that, huh?
Oh, yeah, I'm talking to you.
You
doze
off for a second?
No, I'm looking.
I'm just
staring at me.
No, I'm trying to decipher Catherine's message up there.
It says, I am not.
I have no
idea
what that
means.
Did we play the intro where she said she's sorry?
Oh, yes.
Yes, that's what it was.
Oh, that's it.
She's not sorry.
Wow.
Are you on a different wavelength than I
am?
That's a great insight.
I had no
clue.
You
didn't know what she was.
You said you
were tired today.
I'm really tired.
Are you?
Wow, 80% humidity.
Can we move to afternoon?
Oh
yeah, let's go
to afternoon.
Let's just do that.
Just show up in the afternoon.
Catherine just said yes, so you know what?
Okay, there.
Great, yes.
I don't know which thing she's responding to
exactly,
but okay.
A little bit later on, we've got Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils.
He'll be here in about 20 minutes or so.
It'll be a wild and rollicky
show.
Really?
For this morning.
Yeah, we're going to be talking about Oklahoma Superintendent of Public Schools, Ryan Walters again.
We love Ryan Walters.
He's just a crazy guy.
He does crazy things.
A constant source of new material
for us.
Oh, it is just
outrageous.
I mean, it's so outrageous that, you know, your jaw will drop.
Yeah.
He's a he's a he's a big Christian nationalist.
Okay, and and that's what he's all about That's what he's trying to do in Oklahoma and people are freaking out And his his next big idea is crazy talk I don't know.
Maybe it's too soon that we talk about that.
It's has something to do with Charlie Kirk's turning point USA.
Well, we'll talk with Tim Slecker.
He's from busted pencil He's
actually talking about Ryan
I
know
you listen form light up as soon as we bring up the topic Okay,
and we'll also check in with former US Attorney Jim Santel.
Yeah, seven o'clock hour Yeah, and we'll reveal another key word in our go for the gold green and gold contest coming up.
Yeah, and after seven
I just wanted to you know bring up something that I went through recently a lot of people are going through it.
Yeah,
we got a
lot of
a lot ads, you know, on the social media and and you see these things offers for insurance, you know car insurance, homeowners insurance.
So I went through that recently.
I actually bought into it.
I keep my phone number and email.
Oh, God.
Yeah, I know.
What a big mistake that was.
But I did actually come out ahead on this one.
Used to have GEICO and I just thought the car insurance was way too much.
I have three cars and a young driver.
So I can understand a little bit of cost, but it was just way over the top, so I tried somebody else, and I went back to one of the old insurers, Liberty Mutual, you know, with the bird or...
Liberty, Liberty, Liberty.
Yeah, yeah, and I gotta tell you that there is no comparison between the two.
GEICO is completely online, it is...
AI you don't talk to anybody ever there's no one to negotiate with and Liberty had personalized salespeople that helped you through it asked you what you needed you then could present certain options to them and they would see if they could fit that into the insurance and It is really a fantastic way of doing it and I got an incredible deal.
I saved
Seriously, I saved a thousand dollars.
Wow.
That's how bad Geico was.
And then you had personal people talking to you about your car insurance and homeowners insurance on top of that.
I had Geico for a long time and then I ended up switching when I moved, uh, moved around and then now I'm with Progressive and I've been with that and they have.
people that help you out as well.
And since I've been with them, I don't know, six or seven years now, they've lowered my rate a number of times.
Yeah.
Well, one of the things I never really knew about was that you could tell them how many miles you put on a year.
Right.
And since we're in Madison, everything is like 15, 20 minutes away and not very far.
And I told them what I put in, you know, 14 miles to work.
roundtrip and they said, oh, well that works out to, you know, 600 or 6,000 miles a year.
I said, wow.
And they said, well, we have a special rate for low mileage travel.
And I got a great deal.
I think that was part of the whole package.
Are you setting up an endorsement deal?
Is that where this is going?
You're trying to get an even better deal?
I
think the bird helps.
The bird, the ostrich, whatever.
It's a new, what is that?
Is that what is that?
It's an ostrich.
It's an ostrich.
Yeah, is it really?
Yeah Okay, it's an emu.
It's an emu.
That's what it is.
Yeah.
Oh,
yeah.
Yeah, so They don't need me.
They have an
emu
Now I'm going to start getting paid
Good deal.
But it worked out really well.
And try that.
If you don't put a lot of miles on in a year, tell them.
And you can get a special discount.
And I don't know if that works for every company, but try it.
I think with a little, just ask John.
Consumer advice.
Yeah.
Yeah, every once in a while, it just pops out.
And I apologize to everybody for putting you through that.
I hope I've helped in any way, shape, or form.
Just
ask John.
Okay.
Here it is.
Here's my theme.
Okay.
The saw.
Hammers.
What is this?
I used to give home handyman advice.
I haven't done that lately.
Okay.
Thank God.
All right.
Hey, is it time for Would You Rather?
Or Would You Rather Not Do?
Would You
Rather?
I'd rather not do
it.
We
don't have a
choice.
All right.
Let's get it going on here, right?
I gotta pull up the sheet though.
OK.
All right.
There we go.
That microphone thing is just
hilarious.
I know.
It keeps going up above my head.
All right.
He's got a spring-loaded mic stand.
Look, it just won't.
Co-operate.
It's one of those old sprinklers.
You can't tighten it.
No.
Why can't you tighten it?
I
don't know.
Anything that I try to do, it just doesn't work.
And I haven't tried, though, so.
Can we, like, maybe attach a sandbag
to it to hold it now?
Right on
top.
All right, let's go to the first question.
OK,
let's.
Would you rather have a unicorn horn or a squirrel tail?
Let's be real with ourselves here.
Unicorn horn is the best.
That's what I'm going to go with.
Okay, all
right Yeah, I don't want to deal with this That's kind of bizarre I don't know Let's move
on to the next one.
Yeah, I don't know if I really feeling uncomfortable now.
I am too.
All right.
Let's go to the second question Would you rather would you rather have to wear stilettos to bed?
or have to wear slippers everywhere you go.
We only got a minute.
Let's take the slippers
off right away.
Wake up and they're gone, yeah.
I'm not wearing slippers everywhere I go, although I have.
Yeah, that's
what I do.
The hell were you reading where there were stilettos in bed?
It's just the would you rather pull... I have my ways.
Okay,
we're wondering about your ways.
That's a great explanation.
Okay.
Let's see.
What do we have?
Oh, it's 19 past the hour.
Okay.
When we come back, we will continue with John Peterson, Gordon Young, and Dominic Lee, live from downtown Madison, right over State Street, a block off the Capitol.
Just getting going.
Come right back.
You can ask me what's trending?
What's trending?
You can ask me
what's trending?
What's trending?
Trending.
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Yeah, some good stuff on there.
Check it out.
I just want to bring up, we were
watching Scripps News, right?
I mean, we have it up in the studio here because we can't get any other network.
But I gotta
say, Scripps News does a damn good job.
They're good,
yeah.
And the other day, we were watching it, or just glancing up at it, and Dr. Kristen Lyrely was on.
That's right.
Yeah, she
was on.
They
had her on it.
They were interviewing her about the autism.
Right.
Information released by RFK Junior.
Yeah.
Pretty impressive.
Yeah, really impressive.
Yeah.
So,
uh, that's after her.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Making the rounds.
Scroops press.
Okay.
Well, it is.
I,
I like it.
You don't care about it that much because the, uh, it's just the news.
The
closed captioning covers some of the chiron at the bottom of the screen and it's very frustrating because we don't know what's going on.
We have to read in between
the lines.
Yeah, yeah, between the
lines.
Let's see.
So, yeah, well, you know, we're also going to be talking about some of the bigger stories after seven o'clock because we'll have Tim all the way up to seven and then we've got, jeez,
I can't
tell.
I got so much stuff.
It's just ridiculous.
And tomorrow.
Let's just put it this way.
I'm still planning on it, okay?
We're going to have a special edition of Web Wisdoms tomorrow in the place of idiocracy.
I found so many things, smart people saying smart things online.
Let's face it, you
know, why
do we have to depend on podcasters when everybody out there is their own podcaster?
So as
far as I'm concerned, we're gonna back to back to back to back.
A lot of good stuff.
So it's a special edition.
Okay.
All right.
We'll try to get to that.
Web wisdom.
All
day.
Not all day.
We're going to go 24
seven.
Web
wisdom.
635 to about seven.
Okay.
All right.
Or until we run out of them.
But I don't think we're going to run out.
I can't believe I found so much stuff.
And we ran out of time today to put most of this stuff on.
But yeah.
Okay.
How are we already out of time?
It's 6.25.
We've got an hour and a half to go.
We do.
Can you share some of it with us now?
No,
but I do want to see, we have a little time here.
I want to get to this.
This was a queue up 121, could you?
This is that story about a restoring truth and sanity to American history in our national parks, right?
Let's play this clip and you'll find out more about the National Park story.
During truth and sanity to American history.
Well, he says over the past decade there's been an attempt to rewrite our history.
driven by left-wing ideology instead of truth.
And he wants the parks to focus on what he says instead, the nation's great achievements and not disparage Americans who are either past or living.
He was talking to Park Service people yesterday and they were saying that they're looking at more than a thousand items that employees have reported around the country.
They're also flagging a variety of other topics.
I'll give you some examples.
Signs that address sea level rise and climate change at Cape Hatteras National Seashore is one.
Others that explain how Native Americans were
were still off park land.
And there are even references to the impact of urbanization and agriculture on the Everglades.
There was one park employee who wrote that that could, quote, be seen as disparaging the development of industrial America.
The others I've talked to say that most people don't like it.
They say employees are mostly flagging these signs so as to avoid getting into trouble.
And they think that this is really an attempt to erase uncomfortable parts of the country's history and control intellectual discourse.
Park employees I've talked to, they don't want us to use their names.
They're afraid of being fired.
But one described the Trump administration like this, quote, they want to control the narrative.
If you control the narrative, you control the people.
Over the summer, the Park Service provided these QR codes for visitors to comment on any signs that they thought needed to be changed.
And, hey, I was leaked about.
2200 of these, and I read through them, and there's one visitor who flagged a sign on territorial expansion.
It said Native Americans were, quote, starved into submission to the white man's will.
And the visitor found that that was pretty stark and reductive.
But critics like that were really rare.
Only a tiny percentage of people actually used the QR codes to criticize the signs.
Others said the signs didn't go far enough, and they deplored this whole process.
Some say that these signs are just, some will be edited.
Others will be taken down and probably some will be replaced.
There's a group I was talking to called Save Our Signs and they've asked park visitors to photograph as many of these signs as possible to capture those that may disappear.
So far they've received nearly 8,000 photos and what they say they're trying to do is capture all the work that the park employees have done to explain America's history so that it's not actually erased in this process.
All right, there you go.
Wow, that's interesting.
That was the idea.
And the time period where people can report this stuff, now they're going to act on taking all of the suggestions down.
Again, he did mention that not a lot of people were participating because they don't want to be a part of the censorship program the government has in place.
In fact, it was framed in a way that we must get rid of improper ideology.
If that doesn't scare the daylights out of you, I don't know what will.
All right.
So here's one, a signage for climate change.
It's signage that suggests visitors take a shuttle bus to minimize the carbon footprint has to be taken down.
Really?
That's too much?
That's too much.
That is that improper ideology we were talking
about.
Wow.
Crazy stuff.
29 past the hour, when we return, Dr. Tim Slecker will join us from busted pencils, fully leaded education talk coming up on John and Gordy in the morning.
WMDX.
Money money money.
This is John and Gordy making tons of money Well, you know on the side you know pushing Liberty Mutual insurance
Good for you.
I mean you made a side deal.
Well,
I
slipped it in
there Check us out on the civic media app to give us a call text us if you got any ideas also call us on the old telephone line Yeah, six oh eight eight seven nine eight two five five time once again for busted pencils and Tim Slecker doctors Tim Slecker with us today and boy have we got
breaking news.
Look, we have breaking news, but do you have anything else you want to talk about besides this breaking
news?
Well, I'm wondering about which breaking news you're referring to.
You
know, there's the incident in the South Carolina schools with, you know, a little bit of a, you know, breaking wind.
type of story.
I'm
interested in that.
What's that about?
Let's go over some of the breaking news.
Every morning I get news, education news from a source called K-12 Dive and Higher Education Dive and it brings up
You know, here are some things to pay attention to.
And yesterday, out of NBC News, headline Poop Spray causes 55k in damage at South Carolina School, teaching assistant arrested and charged.
Wow.
Poop
Spray.
okay please explain what what
well i'm you know this is one of the teaching assistant i guess was um i didn't even really know that there were canisters of poop spray um not that he was spraying
poop but poop spray is the the the smell as I was saying you know
the
smell of your grandfather Friday morning after Thanksgiving
when
you walk past the commode yeah um he has an aerosol spray this teaching assistant and um he was spraying it in the school and because
why well I
you know we
Don't know.
I mean, you know to try to try to put it the blame on some of the kids and then you know, like I wasn't me You know who smelt it dealt it types of things.
Yeah But some some kids and teachers had to go for some emergency care for Pulmonary and issues.
Oh my god, and I guess some of the the spray is has penetrated some of the
um, building materials and so
they
have to replace that.
So $55,000 in damage damages and, um, yeah.
Poo spray.
Yeah.
I'm reading the story now.
Some of that was for, uh, damage the air conditioning system.
Yeah.
That's, you know,
I'm thinking about that.
I'm just like, okay, so back to like,
I never even thought about billing my grandfather Friday for air conditioning repairs for the for the damage he caused.
And I was,
I
mean, you know, the hospitalization from walk, I don't know, it's one of these, you go like, really, this is a story.
And I kind of look at this and go,
Thank goodness we had a story like this for a change.
It
has been so
much
pain and drama.
I
know.
It happened in South Carolina.
But the best
part about the story though then is too is it also lays out some other incidents from other people doing fart spray, hoop spray, and you know, hey, good old.
American public education pranking, you know.
Well, I'm the new spokesperson for Poopspray, so I didn't want to bring it up earlier, because I know that I still haven't seen the check.
My first thing, when I read the headline, I thought, oh.
Holy crap, you, you, holy
crap.
You mean, you
mean that, that, you know, the potpourri spray
that is
now in a lot of bathrooms?
I was like, like, wow, somebody got in trouble for trying to cover up.
Because poop spray in my mind meant, you know, covering
up.
Covering it up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So anyway, that.
Yeah, so I read that and then breaking news.
Yeah.
Ryan Walters.
Yes, Ryan Walters.
State Superintendent, Oklahoma.
Yep, Christian Nationalist.
Ryan Walters announced every high school in the state of Oklahoma will establish a turning point USA chapter that's Charlie Kirk's turning point USA a chapter in every school as part of a new partnership initiative Walter said we've seen an enthusiastic response from parents
I doubt that.
This is the guy who was showing porn in Oklahoma High School and it was on the screen behind him as everybody was watching the porn
scene.
You're talking about Walters.
Yes, Ryan Walters.
Yeah.
Well, he makes this announcement, like you said, very profound and what, less than 24 hours.
And by the way,
I'm I'm leaving this position for a golden opportunity So he drops this this kind of a Here's one more thing.
I'm
going to impose And and as I'm leaving now You guys you know deal with this but um
You know when I saw the headline though that says you know Ryan Walters About to announce resignation for a new opportunity.
I was like, oh my god.
No They they tapped him and he's going you know Linda McMahon is going back to suplexing and Ryan Walters was gonna step in.
Yeah.
Yeah, is there any idea where he's going?
Yeah, there was it's some private sector.
Think
it's a teacher freedom alliance.
All
right.
There you go.
Yeah.
He's he's going to be a CEO.
So yeah, CEO and the teacher freedom alliance is the anti union.
You
know, and so I'm not sure how many teacher members are in the teacher freedom alliance.
Yeah.
But he's going to be the CEO.
All right.
Well, let's listen.
I have a cut here for Ryan Walters making the announcement that they're joining Turning Point USA in every school in Oklahoma.
Let's check that out at 193.
Okay.
I'm excited to announce today that every Oklahoma high school will have a Turning Point USA chapter.
We have seen the outpouring from parents, teachers, and students that want to be engaged in a meaningful work going on at Turning Point.
They want
They're young people to be engaged in a process that understands free speech, open engagement, dialogue about American greatness, a dialogue around American values.
We're so excited to partner with Turning Point USA with this initiative.
For far too long, we have seen radical leftists with the teachers union dominate classrooms and put push woke indoctrination on our kids.
I did not
know my parents rights.
They push parents out of the classroom.
They
do lie to our kids about American history.
Well, we're going to continue to do is make sure that our kids understand American greatness, engage in civic dialogue and have that open discussion.
We will continue to do all that we can to make sure Oklahoma students have the best education possible.
That's not true.
But not only that, not only, yes, you say he's leaving that as his legacy.
There are politicians in the state that want to put up statues.
And I just sent that cut to you.
Do you have that up there?
Could we hear that?
Let's listen to this story.
This is unbelievable.
This is Fox News talking about it.
Oklahoma has introduced a bill to put a Charlie Kirk statue at every public university.
At least four other locations are also said to be considering it, including the new College of Florida, which released an AI rendering of their proposed Charlie Kirk Memorial.
It shows him sitting down at a debate table.
And that is the way so many will remember him.
You know, I mentioned this earlier.
I hope that another college that joins this trend is my alma mater Hillsdale College.
We heard from Hillsdale president Dr. Larry Arndt during the memorial service.
On campus, we have what we call the Liberty Walk with statues of some of the other conservative icons, including Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher.
But Tommy, I think that this is an incredible way to remember Charlie's legacy.
Isn't
that a great way to remember Charlie, Tim?
There's
so much in that.
Back to, you know, Ryan Walters, here's the thing, right, the turning point chapter.
You know what?
That is every student's right to create a chapter of an organization that they feel passionate about to establish.
You don't need a government mandate telling students that they
will join this club.
That's kind of not freedom
there.
That's a little bit of an imposition.
I know we're worried about leftist imposition, but here is another form of imposition.
I guess, though, we don't really know that when imposition is imposition and when imposition is freedom.
And maybe that's the big debate we should be having is going
Yeah, I you know again, what for this to me is whatever you want, you know to have the merits or non merits about why you would do this This is Brian Walter saying like he's been doing now.
Look at me.
Yeah, look at
me.
Look at me, you know, it's not about truly
putting forth some kind of it.
It's headlines.
It's, you know, it's like the mini mini me, Donald Trump, where he can't stand to not have something about him being talked about.
Right.
Right.
And so I don't really take anything that he's doing as serious policy that he's trying to implement.
He is looking at any way possible to keep himself in the news.
But it's also a Christian nationalist and this is part of that agenda as well.
And let's face it, you know, they've been doing this for decade after decade after decade saying that there is left wing
propaganda going in to the schools, obviously brainwashing.
This whole thing has been set up so they could set this up.
The opposite, conservative ideals.
That's what they want to put into the schools and then drum out the left wing, supposedly left wing information, which is just normal everyday education.
Yeah.
Um.
Well, you said it's classic.
Hey, guess what?
Convince everybody there's a massive problem.
Yes,
exactly.
And then introduce a solution.
But the first thing was creating this mass hysteria.
of, you know, empowering students to use litter boxes when they are trying to act like they're a furry or something.
And, you know, and the fact that, you know, my God, a student went to the nurse's office and came back a different gender.
Yeah.
You know, extreme left wing indoctrination occurring and then, well,
We've got the solution.
That's right.
Extreme right-wing indoctrination.
Yeah.
What a solution.
I know we're
coming up on a break.
You know what, though?
I love the one politician who pointed out going, so since Ryan Walters has taken over, they are now 50th in
the rankings.
Yes, that's it.
We'll continue the conversation with Dr. Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils after this.
With no more keys.
We're going
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Breaking news.
Let's find out about another fantastic program,
Teaching Civics.
Teaching Civics.
Well, again, an announcement that the education department that
I don't know, we thought was on its way out
is
now going to be doling out millions of dollars to educators who are willing to take on the challenge of
instilling civic values and teaching patriotic education.
So there
is going to
be patriotic education grants.
And as Linda McMahon said, quote, it is imperative to promote an education system that teaches future generations honestly about America's founding principles, political institutions and rich history.
Wow.
End quote.
It's
something about face here.
I mean, they were getting rid of the education.
They were
out the
door.
What the
heck is going on?
They're out the door.
And, um, you know, there, there she is, but saying, Hey, maybe they're, we, maybe we should reconsider because we've got this program.
We, you know, what's, I can't disagree with her quote.
Um, you know, imperative with our education system promote.
future generations to honestly Look at America's founding principles political institutions
would be good
rich history like you go a one girl
You know Well, plus they've got all those American flags in the stock room there.
What are they gonna do with
those if they
shut down the building?
Let's get them out to the classroom.
That's right.
Come on.
But
just as long as it's honest history I mean, that's what we're looking
at.
Yeah, dig a little deeper though and you you see that
behind those words probably the catch word there is honest and honestly and honestly because when you read further it is you know a one-sided view of American greatness and
You know and people are concerned that there's actually the American Historical Association is quite frightened by by this approach because Well, it ain't history
When
went when you promote a story and put it forth as the truth, right?
And you know if you're going to do honest
Inquiry history education and and I will point this out too that left-wing propaganda America stinks America's going to poop and all of that that also is a propaganda story that
Doesn't need to be promoted either.
The fact is though is that when we get into teaching American history, you know conversations like this, that's what happens It's like well your side used to tell your story and now we want our story told and then oh You're out of power.
We want our story told again None of that is history and civics and patriotism that is
warring factions that continue to polarize and separate people into their teams.
Digging honestly would be a unifying approach to actually engaging in this content of civics and American history.
So this is not what they're promoting here.
This, again, is a promotion of
We want our side of our story
taught only.
We've got, we've got Mark on the line.
What do you got for us, Mark?
Well, you know, for American history, let's face it.
Look, it's ironic for Oklahoma, Oklahoma, which actually should be the Indian nations because it was actually supposed to be promised forever to be, you know, that, you know, that's where the Indians were, you know, relocated to is Oklahoma.
And then they'd said, well, we'll just convert this into a state.
So I mean that.
i think i think that history how that was just taken from the native americans they can talk about that part of the park toxic by the puretons because apparently the park toxic got killed some some uh... some kind of kind of prudent actually considered a criminal but these that is a pretext to start a war against the park toxic and they all started like four hundred of them your women and children included i think i thought what james met if you talk civics and talk about the in the constitution where james madison actually said
Hopefully he's pausing that he's hoping that slavery will actually disappear because it'll actually realize what a barbarous practice it actually is.
Are they going to teach that?
I doubt it because they don't want to admit that.
I mean, the fact of the matter is that we, you know, part of a good chunk of the wealth in this nation was created by land that was stolen from Native Americans and land and construction that was done by people that were enslaved and stolen from their homelands in Africa.
But they're not going to ignore the constitutional
convention.
They're going to ignore the debates about the Constitutional Convention, what was said there, both sides of it.
I mean, they won't teach that, though, to say, oh, America's great, and leave it at that.
Donald Trump is great.
Let's leave it at that.
Mark, listen.
I I totally know where you're going but here's the what what happens though when somebody like the american patriotism people
less than a minute
hear your story as saying see there's a woke indoctrinator trying to trying
to
make american history sound horrible and we can't permit that and i'm trying to say is going sides of telling this story is not the way to engage in empowering civic values
right we got to leave it there dr tim slecker thank you for joining us
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Good morning.
Wow.
Sincere as
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Alright.
Okay.
Settle down.
Fantastic.
How outrageous is that?
Alright.
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Go to it.
Over to you.
It's complicated.
My work here is done.
Yes, it is.
All right.
Let's go to CJ.
Oh, yeah.
CJ, what do you have?
By the way,
I'm sad that we don't have Tim to respond to you.
You probably get the typical patriotic left wing.
opinion here on the show, but go ahead.
Do your thing.
What were you... I know
you wanted to talk about... Give us the rest of the story.
Yeah, as a conservative parent, you want to give us your point of view on this.
Go ahead.
Well, yeah, I did want to talk to Mr. Busted Pencils, but I have spoken to them before, and yeah, they've been very nice like you guys are.
Not everybody is, but...
You know, I think it is true.
All we need is the test results that we're failing teaching our kids.
And parents found out what kids were learning during COVID.
And a lot of it, conservative parents and even I'd say middle of the road parents were shocked by some of the stuff that was being taught, allowed, and the social issues.
Um,
what you do
you have any just do you have one
example just any any example of what conservative parents were concerned with when they finally saw what kids were being taught in school from home basically during COVID.
What was the concern that some of the parents had?
Well,
Just one.
Again, the test results, lack of reading, writing, and arithmetic.
But
here,
Oklahoma has been
conservative for
many years and their last in the nation for education.
So how does that work?
Well, I guess, how does it work?
You know, we've had instances, I guess, what bothers me is what some of the left stands up for.
and argues for um and we see it we saw it in Sun Prairie uh you know as simple as the difference biologically there's two genders
yeah
boy that doesn't
have anything to do with education
the gender thing the gender thing doesn't
have anything to do with education what what they're learning in the classrooms what
Example, can you give that the parents objected to when they saw that agenda during COVID?
Well, you know, I also want to okay, I'm
Okay,
you don't have one that's fine,
but what would you like to say about that though?
Well, I guess what really you know, we've had a hundred now a hundred and twenty thousand inquiries
turning point chapters I wanted to point that out to Tim too yeah because kids are starving for what he was selling they're starving for a purpose in their own lives faith family and country baby
That's what his purpose was.
But isn't that what a family is about?
Doesn't
that what family?
That's what kids are starving for.
It's a family
responsibility, isn't it?
I mean, in teacher religion, they can go to school, a church, whatever they want to do, but at the same time, does it have to be taught in schools too?
They have to see the Ten Commandments on a wall.
Can't they just go to church?
Can't the parents...
take responsibility for teaching them the religion that they want their kids to have.
Isn't it more that responsibility than it is the school system's responsibility to teach them another religion?
I don't think the Ten Commandments specifically has to be for a Christian faith.
I mean, read the Ten Commandments.
But it is a
Christian faith thing.
Yeah, it's Moses tablets.
Right.
Bible
We need to get back to You know being competitive just in those three categories before We're worried about the social driven direction of our children, but parents need to be involved.
All
right, but
Let me just say this, and I think you're right, parents need to be involved.
And they are with parent-teacher conferences, with participation and meeting the teachers at schools each and every year.
You have an opportunity to do that.
And you have, of course, school board meetings that you can attend.
You can do all of those things.
That's how a parent stays involved.
That's how I stayed involved.
And I didn't feel like I was being written out once at all.
Do you think as a parent you should be able to go to the school and get the curriculum?
You can
you get the curriculum online The classes are actually described online What the student is going through what their assignments are what assignments they've completed or what assignments they still have not turned in?
Why
is the accusation out there that?
You know, parents aren't involved.
There's counseling that allows people have created
that
argument identified as this and being that and being held back from the parents and doing it in secret.
Why is that accusation?
Oh, you mean,
you mean the reference to a student sex?
No, identity, whatever.
Yeah.
I mean, them, they, all this stuff.
That's
up to that.
That's not
something
you should
fight.
Yeah, that's something you should.
Thanks.
CJ for that that's something I think the school system should not have anything to do with turning the kids in and Trying to not refer to them what they want to be referred to I mean that's you're creating conflicts within the school really their job is to teach the students Not sit there and report on the students and what they want to be called in school and tell the parents about it That's not their
job.
They should be teaching education.
Let's go to dick.
He
He's been waiting on the line.
Good morning, Dick.
What do you got for us?
Real quick, two of my daughters went to Catholic school through sixth grade.
Okay, this back in the 90s, they're both in their 30s now.
And I had a real beef with that school because it was also a polling place.
So I go to take girls to school and there was an election going on and lo and behold, guess what?
Right on the way up the walkway, we vote
You know where I'm going with
yeah,
you know pro life.
Yeah,
and I went right to the office and said what is that about?
Yeah, well I said no no that's totally wrong totally out of bounds This is a polling place right real quickly the situation that called me.
Mm-hmm.
Shouldn't he be thanking him?
He's a guy that probably got him elected
Well,
yeah, everybody's kind of scratching their head, right?
I mean, come on,
you got me
elected.
Well, I mean, what's the deal?
And one more real quickly to the rest of the story, Campbell last night, broke a 10-year record, even with all those Sinclair stations turning him off.
Yeah.
That's true.
A ratings
record.
How'd that happen?
Yeah.
People were really, really curious about, uh, just finding him.
They, they wanted to look him up.
These are people that weren't familiar with Kimmel.
So,
yeah.
Second night out of the box.
All time.
Well, 10 year record.
Yeah.
Very good, Dick.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Thanks, Dick.
Oh, we got some time here.
Let's go to Charles calling in from Milwaukee.
Good morning, Charles.
Go ahead.
We have Charles.
There he is.
was the best... Ever since I've been listening to Devil's Radio slash Civic Media, that was the best take down of CJ.
He didn't answer the questions that you guys asked him.
I worked in MPS for 18 years.
I only left because I had a transplant.
Not once were we teaching kids to hate themselves.
or talking about what sex they wanted to be.
Parents could come in and sit in the classroom to see what was going on.
Another factor that people don't think about is some of the conditions that kids come from.
If you're not getting food at home or you're being cussed out or whatever, and then you got to come to school,
and try to concentrate and learn.
And it also takes the family.
If the family's not helping the kids do their homework or making them sit down and do some reading, taking the cell phone and tablet away, all those things play a factor.
And I hate when CJ calls in and talks like, if now CJ can give me the name of a school that he's walked into and they've been teaching kids that they can be whatever sex they wanna be.
or all this crazy stuff that he talks about or the name of a teacher that's been fired because they were teaching this, then he has a valid point.
But CJ needs to stop calling in repeating stuff if she doesn't have the facts.
I was so excited to hear him get taken down this morning because he did not have an answer.
He started talking about all the chapter's attorney point that they want to form and all the kids.
Well, what they're doing is they're indoctrinating, trying to tell the kids, well, this is what you should think.
American history is what it was.
And if we can face the fact that there was a...
There was a portion of the American people that treated people horribly because of the way they looked, the way they talked.
That's history.
Stop trying to take it away.
But their thing is, if they tell the truth, then they have to, they'll say, kids that they're trying to lie to about history now will come to them and say, well, Grandma and Grandpa, why didn't you guys tell us that Native Americans were treated bad, that blacks were treated
bad?
Right.
I thought we were getting rid of the old guard and we were going into something new, but they are, they are dead set on continuing to keep hate and racism in this country.
And I just don't understand it.
I know.
And I don't understand it either.
And that's the basis for getting rid of DEI is, uh, is to.
promote and keep systemic
racism in place.
Charles, thanks for that call.
It's 19 past.
When we come back, we'll get an update on the weather with WMDX meteorologist Brittany Merlot.
It's all happening on John Agordi,
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We've got a couple of text here if it's up to CJ He'd want to go back to Arabic math.
Let's go back to Roman numerals
CJ has zero facts.
I don't think he was doing that.
He's going off on tangents, right-wing talking points.
That's another text that we got.
We have Brittany Malau standing by here.
Let's get a weather check here as we get into the rest of the day here.
It's looking bright and beautiful here this morning.
Good morning, Brittany.
How are things in Wausau?
Oh, finally the fog is lifting here and I can see the sunshine.
So it's a gorgeous one.
I'm
glad
you guys are having the same morning.
Yes, it's great.
Yeah.
So what can we expect for the rest of the day and the rest of the week?
Nothing but sunshine.
Sun, sun, sun, lots of sun fogging the overnights.
So still some foggy mornings, maybe tomorrow morning.
Then that should start to stop as the winds start to pick up a little bit more.
But I mean, highs today, mid seventies by tomorrow, 80 degrees.
Let me
hold on to the low eighties for the rest of the weekend into next week.
I don't see I was trying to find rain in the forecast.
I don't see any of it until next weekend.
So
that's it.
That is
great.
That is great.
Well,
maybe I'll just put another sealer coat on.
Now's
a good
time to do it.
Now would be the time to do it.
Who would have guessed?
I can't believe that morning rain got you.
I can't even believe it, it was like a 10% chance.
He's
just trying to give you a guilt trip here, so you come down and help him put the next layer of sealer on the stairs.
You know what, I'm
coming down there this weekend.
Do you want me to help you?
Cause I absolutely will.
Why
wouldn't I, actually a good day.
I
would love it.
Come on tomorrow afternoon.
Sure.
Okay,
sure.
Okay, I'll message you later.
All right, all
right.
The weather ruined your deck.
Yeah.
All right, Brittany, thank you very much.
That's fantastic.
You have a great day.
We'll
talk to you
tomorrow.
Maybe
we should go out to State Street and guide these leaf blower guys around.
I was driving home yesterday morning and I saw the leaf blower guy, another one, on another street blowing just a huge amount of leaves.
Oh, you found some.
Oh, we got a lot of them.
And I'm thinking, where is he blowing them to?
Yeah, right.
Yeah,
where
do
they go?
Where do they go with the leaves?
Good question.
He could be going for eight blocks, just blowing the same stack of leaves, right?
And then there's no place to put them.
It was just a question.
Coming in about in about 10 minutes, Jim Santel will join us, former U.S.
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I was listening to a public radio story about autism and the suggestions that a vitamin can help out and the doctor that was talking about it has an autistic child and was just hugely disappointed over that information because she obviously knows that a lot of this is genetic.
It's not
Not something the mother did, but what RFK Jr.
and Trump did were putting guilt trips on moms who now think they might have done something wrong during their pregnancy.
It was a guilt trip, unnecessary guilt trip put on by this administration and RFK Jr.
Let's play a cut from Jill Iroly, Lirely rather, Kristen Lirely.
I'm sorry, what am I thinking?
You gotta make sure.
Superintended of schools.
I'm still on that.
But Dr. Kristen Lirely is an OBG, what is it?
OBGYN.
And she was making comment about this as well.
And she made a really great point.
Let's listen to this.
People who have family members who are taking care of friends with autism They're suffering they want an answer and to give them this false hope and to somehow make it seem like it is their fault that they ended up in this situation is just so Beyond shameful and for the president of the United States to say it in the way that he said it and then to go on and say the pregnant women should just suffer with their pain I mean
You don't want them to have birth control.
You don't want them to have abortions.
You want them to get pregnant, but you don't want them to have the things that they need to be able to navigate their pregnancy safely, including hospitals in rural areas where they can't deliver their babies.
I mean, you've got to be kidding me.
No, not kidding.
That was from Civic Media's Matt Nair on the air.
She made those comments and I think it hit home.
That's amazing.
For me anyway.
Yes.
Just outrageous that they have done this to women.
and all over America, this is completely unnecessary.
And get this, you know, RFK Jr.
wants to bring back placebo testing trials.
Okay.
Yeah.
And this is, it's cruel to do that because we don't necessarily need to do that.
Now we have ways of treating people.
Now we need to just treat the new way of doing it with the old way of doing it, not placebo's.
No one wants to take a placebo.
And, and the other thing about this is that he wants to bring these trials back, but with this new vitamin they have for autism, they don't want trials.
They're going straight to the public.
Their, their trial is just.
giving it to the public and seeing what happens.
That is a contradiction that it just can't be avoided.
It is
29 passed.
Unbelievable.
Yes, it is.
Coming up after we check in with the Midwest Food and Farm Report, Jim Santel will join us.
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Once again, good morning to you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
As always, delighted to be with you, gentlemen.
It's it's strange.
So weird to watch this fiasco unfold before us about former FBI director.
Call me.
You know, the thing is attorneys have looked at the case and they can't
Find anything to prosecute him for.
Is that correct, Jim?
That's the latest.
The latest, of course, is that they're saying we might attempt something in the
next
few hours or days, because one of the, again, spurious attempt to find something here is that he somehow lied when he was testifying before the Congress about the Mueller report and other things and investigations when he was the FBI director.
A couple of things about that.
One is, you know you're in trouble when you are rambling.
to get under the statute of limitations.
You're really looking then for something, right?
Right.
And second, again, I don't even want to entertain this seriously.
There's no perjury here.
Perjury, people think it's a really easy thing.
Well, Jim Santel lied about that.
It's one thing to talk about that over the lunch table.
It's another thing to prove in court beyond a reasonable doubt that you knowingly told someone something that you knew was false and you did it to a particular end.
Perjury cases are very difficult to prosecute, and prosecutors know this.
That's not to say that Jim Comey perjured himself, but just that they're going down a road here that is fraught with danger.
If they do do something here, it might be in the news the next couple of days here.
Also wonder out loud what grand jury would look at this information, whatever it might be.
and say, yes, indeed, there's a crime here.
Many, many problems with this idea.
Yeah, it's falling apart already, but they do want to get in.
What is that timeline that they're working under?
Just a few more days,
right?
Yeah, exactly.
It's a five-year statute of limitations.
The whole idea behind his tattoo is, again, from the time that he, depending upon which particular unfounded criminal allegation
you want to seize upon.
You want to go with mortgage fraud, which is another one that they're alleging everybody is done.
You look at the date of your alleged offense conduct, you add five years to it.
There are some federal charges that have 10-year statutes of limitations, but that's basically it.
So you look at the
date and you say what is five years from that day.
You got to get it under the wire, or the case is dismissed.
You have violated the statute of limitations.
And for that reason, the case cannot go forward.
So that's the reason why it might be news sometime soon.
If they can find a grand jury to indict on something, whatever that would be, let's listen to, see what Pam Bondi tells us all about this.
Nothing there.
And again, just an attempt.
This is taking out the legal sphere.
This is Donald Trump's two things.
One is this is his retribution, which he promised during the course of the campaign.
And it's also, as we can talk about in connection with other stories, the complete abrogation, not just the busting down of the wall between the White House and the Department of Justice, which has existed in Republican and Democratic administrations alike, with the exception of Donald Trump.
everybody in recent years.
This is the Watergate problem.
The reason why we've got this norm, this standard, is because the violations of Richard Nixon asking his attorney general to engage in basically criminal conduct.
But this has always been the norm.
Now, we've got a president openly saying, putting on truth social, Pam, you got to indict more people.
Get these people who are my political enemies.
And the last thing I will say about that, I'll take other questions, obviously, is,
Think about that.
If we were to hear about that in another country, find your continent.
Find your country.
And here's some reporting where the president, the prime minister, is going after his political enemies by charging them and attempting to jail them.
We would identify that as problematic, would we not?
We've
seen that in other places.
That's called an autocracy.
That's a dictatorship.
We still see that around there.
And that's what he is proposing.
in open domain here, right?
Pam, my attorney general, she's got to prosecute some people who have been unkind to me, have been nasty to me, have said some things that I don't like.
And again, it's all wrapped up when our recent First Amendment issues and frankly, again, more generally, president of the United States of America should have no business.
doing these kinds of things should be rule of law independent of any any political analysis.
Now I've got a question about that because the comments he's made in public or published everybody's seen them can they be used in court to throw these cases out that they're bringing because obviously it's retribution and that isn't a legal thing you can do.
Right.
Yeah.
People think that somehow, oh, I post something on Facebook, on Truth Social, on X, that somehow that's outside of the realm of things presented all the time in criminal cases.
Why?
Because this is yours.
These are your words.
This is
just to say
something.
So the technical answer is yes, it can be presented.
And second, again, it does support
The legal term for this would be selective prosecution.
What you are doing is you're saying, I want these people prosecuted again for filling the blank, and I'm not prosecuting or not encouraging.
It's one thing for the president to say, I would like the Attorney General of the Department of Justice to enforce the law of America.
Great.
Thank you for saying that if this president would ever say that.
Others have said it.
It's another thing to say I want John and Gordy and Dom to be prosecuted because they've said nasty things about me.
That's called selective prosecution.
It is a basis upon which federal district court judges and appeals courts can dismiss cases.
The motivation for it is all wrong.
It is contrary to our basic understandings of rule of law.
So he's killing his own cases instantly.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
In other words?
And frankly, every time that he says things even substantively, whether it's, you know, there's nothing there anymore with respect to Jeffrey Epstein.
But anytime he talks about the substance of what he thinks someone has done, now you're almost coming into the area of a witness.
All right, Mr. President, do you know something about what these people have actually done?
Do you know what the Federal Reserve board member, the governor, has actually done with respect to her mortgage?
Please come in and tell us about that.
What independent information do you have, Donald Trump, about this?
All kinds of problems here.
Just stop it.
get out of this and the recommendation, to your point, he undermines the very thing he wants to have accomplished by talking about it in this public domain, talking about it even privately.
I'm loving that.
All right.
Well, but it's again just continuing to deflect from the Epstein files being released.
I mean getting
that off the front pages or off the headlines, isn't it?
I mean that he knows that the media will pick up on even if it's an outrageous claim.
They got a they got a spotlight it and again push the Epstein thing out of the view of the
public.
You know that sex trafficking and they were big against this and run on this for at least 10 years, right?
They're trying to avoid any any issue
with that the first Epstein case came out in 2008.
Yeah 17 years ago.
That's right.
I mean,
it's
unbelievable.
Yeah
And again, any party should be a law and order party, right?
I still am, I'd like to think.
I think we all are law and order.
We want the laws enforced positively, appropriately upon investigation, processes got to be embraced.
Why not just say that?
Again, I know it's too much to ask of this president ever.
But if somebody there in the White House or even somebody in the Department of Justice wanted to give him a speech about law and order,
Just talk about what the basic tenets, the principles are.
You can find those speeches from presidents like the two George Bushes, from Jimmy Carter to Ronald Reagan to Barack Obama to Joe Biden.
They're out there and they have simply talked about these concepts broadly and told America, I'm in favor of the rule of law.
My Department of Justice is enforcing.
Yes.
things involving human trafficking, environmental crimes, commercial crimes, all kinds of things out there.
affirm that and be that kind of a law and order president.
He never will.
He doesn't understand that.
And it's simply about knee-jerk reactions to things he sees.
I don't know, candidly, that he even appreciates the point we just made, that you are affirmatively undermining the very thing you want to accomplish by saying these things in the public domain.
Do not be surprised.
Again, Jack Smith was ready to go.
With all these things that Donald Trump had said about January 6, all these things he had said about those Mar-a-Lago documents, he has got exhibits that are marked.
They're ready to go.
Those cases did not proceed.
Those were going to be principal evidence.
Why?
Because they're statements of the defendant himself.
And that defendant was and arguably still is in the broader sense of things.
Donald Trump, their statements against interest.
Lawyers present those because they're relevant, they're admissible, and they come in to ultimately convict you for the very things that you allegedly have done.
You know, one of the crazy things now is that, you know, no one trusts Cash Patel as the FBI director.
He has no experience whatsoever.
Doesn't even seem interested in the process when he was at the hearings.
It's just a strange thing now that we can't even trust what's going on with the government.
Legally,
Or even HHS, they're posted issues online about diseases and vaccines.
It's all changing.
None of it's real anymore.
It's just based on whatever they think.
medicine should deal with.
It's a very strange thing.
We don't really have a backup anymore.
I know states are getting together to form their own information source and advice and requirements for insurance companies to cover certain vaccinations.
So it's strange how it's just breaking the entire country up into these sections.
isn't it
right and we used to rely upon government for information right you could go online yes it changes that's the nature of science used to be able to go online and depend
that there are experts, as we've often talked, people who knew what they're talking about, animating their supports for this Department of Justice or HHS, Homeland Security, now just the opposite.
The Civil Rights Division inside Maine Justice is no longer enforcing the civil rights laws, but attacking the civil rights of people.
Jim, can you stay with us a couple more minutes?
I will do just that.
Very
good.
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Okay,
do
it.
All
right, yeah, I'm just...
You know, I was just so disappointed in the Supreme Court, you know, their decision to let the president fire, you know, these independent people on these independent boards, they can't, he can't do that.
What is happening with the Supreme Court?
It's becoming so obvious that they are part of the administration, part of a political arm rubber stamping everything he does.
Yeah.
For a long time, I must tell you, gentlemen, I've been on your show for a wonderfully good time, and I used to always say, yes, but it's the Supreme Court.
We have deference to them.
They know what they're talking
about.
I've abandoned that.
And it's just in the past
eight months.
And this is just the latest one.
Again, you hit all the topics right on point here.
These are independent agencies created by the United States Congress.
That's why people of all parties should be outraged by this.
They're independent.
They do not
sit around the table with the president in the cabinet room, just adjacent to the Oval Office.
It is the Federal Trade Commission, the Consumer Product Safety Commission.
It is all of these entities.
And the Supreme Court to an agency has said that while challenges to these firing of board of governors, folks, of commissioners here are still being litigated in the lower court, still not resolved,
Go ahead and get rid of these people.
This is the latest one whose name is Rebecca Slaughter.
That will be a major name, probably in the case the Supreme Court has said we're going to take it up beyond the shadow docket, which is what they did on Monday.
But Rebecca Slaughter, an FTC commissioner, again, Federal Trade Commission, Consumer Product Issues, and I Trust Laws Trade Issues.
You may not see them every day.
Huge, the important decisions made by a five-person commission, and the president fires basically two of them, leaves three, which means the commission can't do its work.
You shut that down as well.
And along the way, you basically are once again violating
the law twice over, firing her to begin with, and the Supreme Court saying, no, no, you've got the authority to do that.
This is not a matter of saying with due respect.
They're wrong about that.
They're simply wrong about that.
And they're overturning, as Elena Kagan says in her very brief and wonderfully well-written two-page dissent.
She says, we're overruling our own precedent from 90 years ago.
I'm talking about it on Saturday.
If on a Thursday morning, your listeners are interested in knowing what it's all about.
It's called Humphreys Executor.
That's the name of the case from 1935.
It says you can't fire FTC commissioners.
Period.
Full stop.
So in other words, the Supreme Court's got to overturn its own precedent.
And Elena Kagan says, not only are you doing that, but she also says, now you've handed full control of all agencies to the president.
Those are her words, not mine.
She's joined by the other two, of course, Sonia Sotomayor and Katan Chibron-Jackson.
He may now remove any member he wishes for any reason, no reason at all, extinguish the agency's bipartisanship and independence,
period.
And
she's right.
That's what's going on in America.
Well, you know, their logic, their reason I actually have the story in front of me and their logic and reason was that these boards had considerable executive power.
and that the government faces greater risk of harm from an order allowing a removed officer to continue exercising the executive power than a wrongfully removed officer faces from being unable to perform her statutory duty.
Crazy stuff.
This is weird logic upside down.
It is
John Sauer, our Solicitor General, your Solicitor General, who is doing backflips to try to explain this.
And, you know, the gymnastics here is interesting.
Kudos, hi, Marks, John, for staying up all night to figure out how these sentences will read.
But, you know, let's pull that back a little bit too.
And I will say, yes, they are executing the law.
That's not the point.
how much they're executing the trade laws that the Congress enacts, and they're doing it independently.
That's the issue, not the nature of what they're doing.
And again, I know that sounds very wonky as well, but that's the response to it.
And I assume that that will be argued when this comes up before the Supreme Court.
He's got it wrong once again.
And this again, for what it's for, John Sauer, also one of the president's former lawyers, he was the one who argued the case about immunity's success.
Good, good for you.
But all of this is just wrong.
And frankly, the Supreme Court embracing the wrongness of all of this.
They are exercising the executive power to even wrongfully remove somebody is okay because the other person has too much executive power according to them.
It's
crazy stuff.
Jim, we need to leave it there.
Thank you so much for joining us.
Always good to talk
to you.
Always a pleasure.
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