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We're truly sorry.
Well, it's sorry that we're each and every morning here on WMDX doing
the
morning show.
Look, I get it.
You know?
Yeah.
It came right out and sat it, which made it very easy for me to understand.
But you
know, I didn't expect it
from Madison Magazine to do basically the same thing, you know, to reject us, to not invite us to the photo shoot party that they had.
I get it.
You know, I'm okay with it.
You know, I always look forward to being invited to these special events, having been a Best of Madison winner.
Same
with you,
Gordy.
You're a
big winner.
1994, yeah.
But they don't go back and try to thank everybody that has participated in their little competition, the little tiny competition no one cares about.
So, you know, as far as I'm concerned, I'm okay.
I'm okay with not being
invited.
Not
being invited.
It's okay.
You
know, my wife won.
Yeah.
a third place for writer and and
so she got invited yeah no no she didn't get invited why did she get an invite an invite
isn't that crazy
they're stunning both of you for your past bad days
I
poisoned the pool on this one.
They thought, well, she's going to bring that guy.
Yeah, nobody wants to see him.
Well, into the last time I was there, I went up to the podium
after three hours
just
to thank
everybody.
No, that's not true.
But we need to go up to the podium.
Here's the thing that really bothers me an awful lot about this is that the
It seemed to think that there is a certain group of people that should be invited and other people who may win, but they're really not as important as the other people who constantly win the contest, you know.
Kind of a private club, I guess.
I think it is an elitist club at Madison Magazine that refuses.
Look, I don't care.
Why, why do I care?
That's right.
Would I complain?
Of course not.
I don't
complain about
things like
that.
Why would we complain?
We've won plenty of awards over the years.
Exactly.
Of course not together.
At this time.
In our lives, do we really need another award on the wall?
No
one cares.
It's just some junk that they'll throw away when we're gone
Yeah, you're right.
Why should we care?
We're in the twilight of our careers.
We don't need any recognition or anything.
That's right, but I would like an award
I
don't think they give awards for producers usually.
Yeah, no, I don't I don't think so
either way
I'd lose I'd lose to pack right loves Parker is on on his game all day every day
By the way, where are they in our studio down the bar?
Yeah, what's going on here?
They're
see we we do
see two morning shows civic media has a morning show statewide Right, and then they have the local morning shows like John and Gordy in the morning and and and let me see
here.
I'm rosen.
Oh Don Rosen.
That's right.
Yeah a few others
Up north?
No, I don't think.
Way up north.
Way up north.
You know, we bought some more stations up, you know, up in the UP.
And those
stations stay the same.
Yeah.
Just new ownership, that's all.
Yeah.
So there are other morning shows.
Yeah.
Anyway, yeah, but Pat's here, but we didn't have a chance to talk to him because he already closed.
Well, he closed the door on us.
Yeah.
As soon as
we walked by.
He realized, hey, that's fine.
It doesn't matter.
Everybody.
takes their turn shunning
us
we're not scoreboarding anything don't worry it's okay we understand oh hey weather for today it's kind of cool
yeah it
is cool change the subject
Um, here I thought we were going to get warmer weather and all of a sudden it's, you know, sweater weather, actually.
Well, the high today is just going to be 72 degrees.
It's nice and clear out there this morning and not humid
at
all.
What does your Samsung WMDX watch have to say about things?
You got a little move.
You're
like Art Carney in the Honeymooners.
We're on camera.
We had a perform
a little bit Check out our YouTube Facebook
in between 649
is the sunset
time as well.
Okay Very good anything on the dew point.
No, but no no need to check that, huh?
Yeah, I'm talking to you.
You
doze
off for a second?
No,
I'm looking.
I'm
just staring at
me.
No, I'm trying to decipher Catherine's message up there.
It says, I am not.
I have no
idea
what that
means.
Did we play the intro where she said she's sorry?
Oh, yes.
Yes, that's what it was.
Oh, she's not sorry.
Wow.
Are you on a different wavelength than I am?
That's a great insight.
I had no
clue.
You
didn't know what she was.
You
said you
were tired today.
I'm really tired.
Are you?
Yeah.
Wow, 80% humidity.
Can we move to afternoon?
Oh
yeah, let's go
to afternoon.
Let's just do that.
Just show up in the afternoon.
Catherine just said yes, so you know.
Okay, there.
Great, yes.
Okay, don't know which thing she's responding to
exactly,
but okay.
A little bit later on, we've got Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils.
He'll be here in about 20 minutes or so.
It'll be a wild and rollicky
show, really, for this morning.
Yeah, we're gonna be talking about Oklahoma Superintendent of Public Schools, Ryan Walters again.
We love Ryan Walters.
He's just a crazy guy.
He does crazy things.
A constant source of new material
for us.
Oh, it is, just
outrageous.
I mean, it's so outrageous that your jaw will drop.
He's a he's a he's a big Christian nationalist.
Ah, okay
And that's what he's all about.
That's what he's trying to do in Oklahoma.
And people are freaking out.
A lot of people are freaking out.
And his next big idea is crazy talk.
I don't know.
Maybe it's too soon that we talk about that.
It has something to do with Charlie Kirk's Turning Point USA.
Well, we'll talk with Tim Slecker.
He's from Busted Pencils.
He loves
actually talking about Ryan
Wolf.
I
know it.
Listen for him light up as soon as we bring up the topic.
Okay.
And we'll also check in with former U.S.
Attorney Jim Santel.
Yeah, seven o'clock hour.
Yeah.
And we'll reveal another key word in our go for the gold, green and gold contest coming up.
Yeah.
And after seven.
I just wanted to, you know, bring up something that I went through recently.
A lot of people are going through it.
We got a
lot of
a lot ads, you know, on the social media and and you see these things offers for insurance, you know car insurance, homeowners insurance.
So I went through that recently.
I actually bought into it and I kept my phone number and email.
Oh, God.
Yeah, I know.
What a big mistake that was.
But I did actually come out ahead on this one.
Used to have Geico and I just thought the car insurance was way too much.
I have three cars and a young driver.
So I can understand a little bit of cost, but it was just way over the top.
So I tried somebody else and I went back to one of the old insurers, Liberty Mutual, you know, with the bird or
Liberty, Liberty, Liberty.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, and I got to tell you that there is no comparison between the two.
Geico is completely online.
It is.
AI, you don't talk to anybody ever.
There's no one to negotiate with.
And Liberty had personalized salespeople that helped you through it, asked you what you needed.
You then could present certain options to them and they would see if they could fit that into the insurance.
And it is really a fantastic way of doing it.
And I got an incredible deal.
I saved, seriously, I saved $1,000.
That's how bad Geico was.
And then you had personal people talking to you about your car insurance and homeowners insurance on top of that.
I had Geico for a long time and then I ended up switching when I moved around and now I'm with Progressive.
people that help you out as well.
And since I've been with them, I don't know, six or seven years now, they've lowered my rate a number of times.
Well, one of the things I never really knew about was that you could tell them how many miles you put on a year.
And since we're in Madison, everything is like 15, 20 minutes away and not very far.
And I told them what I put in, 14 miles to work.
round trip and they said, oh, well that works out to, you know, 600 or 6,000 miles a year.
I said, wow.
And they said, well, we have a special rate for low mileage travel.
And I got a great deal.
I think that was part of the whole
package.
Are you setting up an endorsement deal?
Is that where this is going?
You're trying to get an even better deal?
I
think the bird helps.
The bird, the ostrich,
whatever.
It's a new, what is that?
Is that what is that an ostrich?
It's an ostrich.
Yeah, is it really?
Yeah Okay, it's an emu.
It's an emu.
That's what it is.
Yeah.
Oh,
yeah.
Yeah, so They don't need me they have an emu But
oh
Now I'm going to start getting paid
Good
deal.
But it worked out really well.
And try that.
If you don't put a lot of miles on in a year, tell them.
And you can get a special discount.
And I don't know if that works for every company, but try it.
I think with a little, just ask John.
Consumer advice.
Yeah.
Yeah, every once in a while it just pops out.
And I apologize to everybody for putting you through that.
I hope I've helped in any way, shape, or form.
Just
ask
John.
Okay.
There's my theme.
Okay.
The saw.
Hammers.
What is this?
I used to give home advice
to
home handyman advice.
I haven't done that lately.
Okay.
Thank God.
All right.
Hey, is it time for would you rather?
Would you rather not do would you
rather?
I'd
rather not do
it.
We don't
have
a choice.
Alright.
Let's get it going on here, right?
I gotta pull off the sheet though.
Okay.
Alright.
There we go.
That microphone thing is just
hilarious.
I know, it keeps going up above my head.
Alright.
He's got a spring-loaded mic stand.
It just won't cooperate.
It's one of those old spring-loaded mic stands.
Why can't you tighten it?
I
don't know.
Anything that I try to do, it just doesn't work.
And I haven't tried, though, so... Can we, like, maybe attach a sandbag to
it to hold it
now?
Right on
top.
Alright, let's go to the first question.
Would you rather have a unicorn horn or a squirrel tail?
Let's be real with ourselves here.
Unicorn horn is the best.
That's what I'm gonna go with.
Okay.
Alright,
um... Sure.
Yeah, I don't want to deal with this.
This sounds kind of bizarre.
I think you'll
lose either way.
I don't know.
Let's move on
to the next one.
Yeah, I don't know if I really feeling uncomfortable now.
I am too.
All right, let's go to the second question.
Would you rather, would you rather have to wear stilettos to bed or have to wear slippers everywhere you go?
We only got a minute.
Stilettos, take
them off right away.
Wake up and they're gone, yeah.
Yeah, I'm not wearing slippers everywhere I go, although I have.
Yeah, that's what I do.
The hell were you reading where there were stilettos in bed?
It's just a would you rather pull?
I have my ways.
Okay,
we're
wondering about your ways.
That's a great explanation.
Okay, let's see.
What do we have?
Oh, it's 19 past the hour.
Okay.
When we come back, we will continue with John Peterson, Gordon Young, and Dominic Lee, live from downtown Madison, right over State Street, a block off the Capitol.
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Yeah,
yeah.
Fully-ledded education talk.
Great podcast that they do on Civic Media Radio Network on the weekends.
Yeah, some good stuff on there.
Check it out.
Um, I just want to bring up, uh, we were watching Scripps news, right?
I mean, we have it up in the studio here because we can't get any other network,
but I got to say
Scripps news does a damn good job.
They're good.
And the other day we were watching it and, uh, or just glancing up at it and, uh, Dr. Kristen Lyrely was on.
That's right.
Yeah, she
was on.
They
had her on it.
They were interviewing her about the, uh, autism.
Right.
Information released by RFK Junior.
Yeah.
Pretty impressive.
Yeah, really impressive.
So
that's after her.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Making the rounds.
Scrooge press.
Well, it is.
I like
it.
You don't care about it that much because it's just the news.
The
closed captioning covers some of the chiron at the bottom of the screen and it's very frustrating because we don't know what's going on.
We have to read in between
the lines.
Yeah, between the lines.
Let's see.
So, yeah.
Well, you know, we're also going to be talking about some of the bigger stories after seven o'clock because we'll have Tim all the way up to seven.
And then we've got, geez.
Jim
Santel.
I got so much stuff.
It's just ridiculous.
And tomorrow, let's just put it this way.
I'm still planning on it.
OK.
We're going to have a special edition of Web Wisdoms tomorrow.
Oh.
in the place of idiocracy.
I found so many things, smart people seeing smart things online.
Let's face it, you
know, why
do we have to depend on podcasters when everybody out there is their own podcaster?
So as
far as I'm concerned, we're gonna back to back to back to back.
A lot of good stuff.
So it's a special edition.
Okay.
All right.
We'll try to get to that.
Web wisdoms
all day.
Not all day.
We're
going to go 24
seven, six, 35 to about seven.
Okay.
All right.
Or until we run out of them, but I don't think we're going to run out.
I, I can't believe I found so much stuff.
Um, and we ran out of time today to put most of this stuff on, uh, but
yeah.
How are we already out of time?
It's six 25.
We've got an hour and a half to go.
We
do.
Can you share some of it with us now?
No,
no, but I do want to see we have a little time here.
I want to get to this.
This was a queue up 121, could you?
This is that story about a restoring truth and sanity to American history in our national parks, right?
Here's let's play this clip and you'll find out more about the national park story.
during truth and sanity to American history.
Well, he says over the past decade, there's been an attempt to rewrite our history.
driven by left-wing ideology instead of truth.
And he wants the parks to focus on what he says instead, the nation's great achievements and not disparage Americans who are either past or living.
He was talking to Park Service people yesterday and they were saying that they're looking at more than a thousand items that employees have reported around the country.
They're also flagging a variety of other topics.
I'll give you some examples.
Signs that address sea level rise and climate change at Cape Hatteras National Seashore is one.
Others that explain how Native Americans were
worst off park land.
And there are even references to the impact of urbanization and agriculture on the Everglades.
There was one park employee who wrote that that could, quote, be seen as disparaging the development of industrial America.
The others I've talked to say that most people don't like it.
They say employees are mostly flagging these signs so as to avoid getting into trouble.
And they think that this is really an attempt to erase uncomfortable parts of the country's history and control intellectual discourse.
Park employees I've talked to, they don't want us to use their names.
They're afraid of being fired.
But one described the Trump administration like this, quote, they want to control the narrative.
If you control the narrative, you control the people.
Over the summer, the Park Service provided these QR codes for visitors to comment on any signs that they thought needed to be changed.
And I was leaked about.
2200 of these, and I read through them, and there's one visitor who flagged a sign on territorial expansion.
It said Native Americans were, quote, starved into submission to the white man's will.
And the visitor found that that was pretty stark and reductive.
But critics like that were really rare.
Only a tiny percentage of people actually used the QR codes to criticize the signs.
Others said the signs didn't go far enough, and they deplored this whole process.
Some say that these signs are just, some will be edited.
Others will be taken down and probably some will be replaced.
There's a group I was talking to called Save Our Signs and they've asked park visitors to photograph as many of these signs as possible to capture those that may disappear.
So far they've received nearly 8,000 photos and what they say they're trying to do is capture all the work that the park employees have done to explain America's history so that it's not actually erased in this process.
Alright, there you go.
That was the idea.
They've ended the...
the time period where
people
can report this stuff, now they're going to act on taking all of the suggestions down.
Again, you know, he did mention that not a lot of people were participating because they don't want to be a part of the censorship program that government has in place.
In fact, it was framed in a way that we must get rid of improper ideology.
If that doesn't scare the daylights out, I don't know what will.
All right.
So here's one, a signage for climate change.
It's signage that suggests visitors take a shuttle bus to minimize the carbon footprint has to be taken down.
Really?
That's too much?
That's too much.
That is that improper ideology we were talking
about.
Wow.
Crazy stuff.
29 past the hour.
When we return, Dr. Tim Slecker will join us from Busted Pencils, fully leaded education talk coming up on John and Gordy in the morning.
WMDX.
Money money money.
This is John and Gordy making tons of money Well, you know on the side you know pushing Liberty Mutual insurance
Good for you.
I mean you made a side deal.
Well, I slipped it in there All
right, then check us out on the civic media app to give us a call text us if you got any ideas also call us on the old telephone line Yeah, six oh eight eight seven nine eight two five five time once again for busted pencils and Tim Slecker doctors Tim Slecker with us today and boy have we got
breaking news.
You're like, we have breaking news, but do you have anything else you want to talk about besides
this breaking news?
Well, I'm wondering about which breaking news you're referring to.
You know,
there's the incident in the South Carolina schools with, you know, a little bit of a, you know, breaking wind type of story.
I'm interested in that.
Yeah.
What's that about?
Well, let's go over some of the breaking news.
All right.
Well, I mean, you know, I, I, well, every morning I, um, I get news, uh, education news from, um, a source called K 12 dive and higher education dive.
And it brings up, you know, here are some things to pay attention to.
And yesterday, um, out of NBC news, um, headline poop.
Spray causes 55k in damage at South Carolina school Teaching assistant arrested and charged wow poop spray Well, you know this is one of the teaching assistant, I guess was I didn't even
really know that there were canisters of poop spray.
Not that he was spraying poop, but poop spray is the smell.
As I was saying, you know,
the
smell of your grandfather Friday morning after Thanksgiving,
when
you walk past the commode, he has an aerosol spray, this teaching assistant, and he was spraying it in the school.
and because why
well I
you know we I don't know I mean you know to try to try to put it the blame on some of the kids and then you know like I wasn't me it was you know who smelt it dealt it types of things yeah um but some some kids and teachers um
I
had to go for some emergency care for um
Pulmonary and issues oh my god, and I guess some of the the spray is has penetrated some of the Building materials and so they have to replace that so fifty five thousand dollars in damage damages and
Yeah.
Poo spray.
Yeah,
I'm reading the story now.
Some of that was for damage through air conditioning system.
Yeah.
You know, I'm thinking about that.
I'm just like, okay, so back to like, I never even thought about billing my grandfather Friday for air conditioning repairs
for
the damage he caused.
I was, I mean, you know, the hospitalization from walking out.
I don't know.
It's one of these, you go, like, really, this is a story.
And I kind of look at this and go.
Thank goodness we had a story like this for a change.
Yeah.
It has been so much pain and drama.
Well, I, you know, I know what happened in South Carolina.
Yeah, South Carolina.
Lawrence.
The best part about the story, though, then is, too, is that it also lays out some some other incidents from other people doing fart spray, hoop spray.
And, you know, hey, good old.
American public education pranking, you know.
Well, I'm the new spokesperson for Poopspray.
So I didn't want to bring it up earlier because I know that I still haven't seen the check.
Wow.
And you know, my first thing when we move on to this, when I read the headline, I thought, oh,
Holy crap, you, you, holy crap.
You
mean that, that, you know, the potpourri spray
that is
now in a lot of bathrooms.
I was like, like, wow, somebody got in trouble for trying to cover up.
Because poop spray in my mind meant, you know, covering up.
Covering it up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So anyway, that.
Yes, I read that.
And then breaking news, Ryan Walters.
Yes, Ryan Walters.
State Superintendent, Oklahoma.
Yep, Christian Nationalist.
Ryan Walters announced every high school in the state of Oklahoma will establish a turning point USA chapter that's Charlie Kirk's turning point USA a chapter in every school as part of a new partnership initiative.
Walter said we've seen an enthusiastic response from parents
I doubt that.
This is the guy who was showing porn in Oklahoma high school and it was on the screen behind him as everybody
was watching the porn series.
You're talking about Walters.
Yes, Ryan Walters.
Yeah,
okay.
Yeah.
So.
Well, he makes, you know, he makes this announcement, like you said, very profound and what, less than 24 hours.
And by the way,
I'm I'm leaving this position for a golden opportunity So he drops this this kind of a Here's one more thing.
I'm
going to impose And and as I'm leaving now You guys you know deal with this but um
You know when I saw the headline though that says you know Ryan Walters About to announce resignation for a new opportunity.
I was like, oh my god.
No They they tapped him and he's going you know Linda McMahon is going back to suplexing and Ryan Walters was gonna step in.
Yeah.
Yeah, is there any idea where he's going?
Yeah, there was.
It's some private sector think.
It's a teacher
freedom alliance.
All
right.
There you go.
Yeah.
He's
he's going to be a CEO.
Yeah, CEO.
And the teacher freedom alliance is the anti union.
You
know, and so I'm not sure how many teacher members are in the teacher freedom alliance.
Yeah.
But he's going to be the CEO.
All right.
Well, let's listen.
I have a cut here for Ryan Walters making the announcement that they're joining Turning Point USA in every school in Oklahoma.
Let's check that out.
193.
Okay.
I'm excited to announce today that every Oklahoma high school will have a Turning Point USA chapter.
We have seen the outpouring from parents, teachers and students that want to be engaged in a meaningful work going on at Turning Point.
They want
They're young people to be engaged in a process that understands free speech, open engagement, dialogue about American greatness, a dialogue around American values.
We're so excited to partner with Turning Point USA with this initiative.
For far too long, we have seen radical leftists with the teachers union dominate classrooms and put push woke indoctrination on our
kids.
I did not
know they fight parents rights.
They push parents out of the classroom.
They do lie to our kids about American history.
Well, we're going to continue to do is make sure that our kids understand American greatness, engage in civic dialogue and have that open discussion.
We will continue to do all that we can to make sure Oklahoma students have the best education possible.
That's not true.
But not only that, not only, as you say, he's leaving that as his legacy.
There are politicians in the state that want to put up statues and I just sent that cut to you.
Do you have that up there?
Could we hear that?
Let's listen to this story.
This is unbelievable.
This is Fox News talking about it.
Okay
Oklahoma has introduced a bill to put a Charlie Kirk statue at every public university.
At least four other locations are also said to be considering it, including the new College of Florida, which released an AI rendering of their proposed Charlie Kirk Memorial.
It shows him sitting down at a debate table.
And that is the way so many will remember him.
You know, I mentioned this earlier.
I hope that another college that joins this trend is my alma mater Hillsdale College.
We heard from Hillsdale president Dr. Larry Arndt during the memorial service.
On campus, we have what we call the Liberty Walk with statues of some of the other conservative icons, including Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher.
But Tommy, I think that this is an incredible way to remember Charlie's legacy.
Isn't
that a great way to remember Charlie, Tim?
There's so much in that.
Back to, you know, Ryan Walters, here's the thing, right, the turning point chapter.
You know what?
That is every student's right to create a chapter of an organization that they feel passionate about to establish.
You don't need a government mandate telling students that they will
join this club, that's kind of not freedom
there.
That's a little bit of an imposition.
I know we're worried about leftist imposition, but here is another form of imposition.
I guess, though, we don't really know that when imposition is imposition and when imposition is freedom.
And maybe that's the big debate we should be having is going.
Yeah, I, you know, again, what for this to me is whatever you want, you know, to have the merits or non merits about why you would do this.
This is Brian Walter saying like he's been doing now.
Look at me.
Yeah, look
at me.
Look at me.
You know, it's not about truly putting forth some kind of it.
It's headlines.
It's, you know, it's like the mini mini me Donald Trump where he
Can't stand to not have something about him being talked about
right
right
And so I don't really take anything that he's doing as serious policy that he's trying to implement.
He is looking at any way possible to keep himself in the news.
But it's also
a Christian nationalist and this is part of that agenda as well.
And let's face it, you know, they've been doing this for decade after decade after decade saying that there is left wing
propaganda going in to the schools obviously brainwashing this whole thing has been set up so they could set this up the opposite conservative ideals that's what they want to put into the schools and then drum out the left-wing supposedly left-wing information which is just normal everyday education
yeah um well and you said it's
It's classic.
Hey, guess what?
Convince everybody there's a massive problem.
Yes,
exactly.
And then introduce a solution.
But the first thing was creating this mass hysteria of empowering students to use litter boxes when they are trying to act like they're a furry or something.
And the fact that, you know, my God, a student went to the nurse's office and came back a different gender.
Yeah.
You know, extreme left wing indoctrination occurring and then, well.
We've got the solution.
That's right extreme right-wing indoctrination
Yeah, what a solution.
I know we're coming up on a break.
You know what though?
I love the one politician wants to point it out going so since Ryan Walters has taken over they are now fiftieth
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Breaking news.
Let's find out about another fantastic
program.
Teaching subjects.
Teaching Civics, well again an announcement that the education department that I don't know we thought was on its way out
is
now going to be doling out millions of dollars to educators who are willing to take on the challenge of
instilling civic values and teaching patriotic education.
So there
is going to
be patriotic education grants.
And as Linda McMahon said, quote, it is imperative to promote an education system that teaches future generations honestly about America's founding principles, political institutions, and rich history.
Wow.
End
quote.
Sounds
like
they're about face here.
I mean, they were getting rid of the education.
They were out the door.
What the heck is going on?
They're out the door and, um, you know, there, there she is, but saying, Hey, maybe they're, we, maybe we should reconsider because we've got this program.
Uh, we, you know, and, and what's, I can't disagree with her quote.
You know imperative we our education system promote future generations to honestly Look at America's founding principles political institutions
that would be good
rich history like you go a one girl
Well, plus they've got all those American flags in the stock room there.
What are they going
to do with those if they
shut down the
building?
Let's get them out to the classroom.
That's right.
Come on.
But
just as long as
it's
honest history, I
mean, that's what we're looking at.
Yeah.
Dig a little deeper, though.
And you see that behind those words, probably the catch word there is honest and honestly and honestly.
Because when you read further, it is
you know a one-sided view of American greatness and You know and people are concerned.
There's actually the American Historical Association is quite frightened by by this approach because Well, it ain't history When went when you promote a story
and put it forth as the truth.
And, you know, if you're going to do honest inquiry, history, education, and I will point this out too, that left-wing propaganda, America stinks, America's going to poop and all of that, that also is a propaganda story that
Doesn't need to be promoted either
the
fact is though is that when we get into teaching American history You know conversations like this.
That's what happens It's like well your side used to tell your story and now we want our story told and then oh You're out of power.
We want our story told again
None of that is history and civics and patriotism That is warring factions that continue to polarize and separate people into their teams digging honestly would be a unifying approach to actually engaging in this content of civics and American history So
This is not what they're promoting here.
This, again, is a promotion of, we want our side of our story taught
only.
We've
got, we've got Mark on the line.
What do you got for us, Mark?
Well, you know, for American history, let's face it.
Look, it's ironic for Oklahoma, Oklahoma, which actually should be the Indian nations because it was actually supposed to be promised forever to be, you know, that, you know, that's where the Indians were, you know.
relocated to his oklahoma and then they said well we'll just convert this into a state so i mean that they're going to teach that history how that was just taken from the native americans they're going to talk about the father the pottoxic by the piertons because apparently the pottoxic uh killed some some uh... some kind of guy that she was actually considered a criminal but they use that as a pretext to start a war against the pottoxics and they all slaughtered like four hundred of them women and children included
are they going to talk about James, if they're going to talk civics, they're going to talk about the, in the Constitution, where James Madison actually said, hopefully he's pausing that he's hoping that slavery will actually disappear because they'll actually realize what a barbarous practice it actually is.
Are they going to teach that?
I doubt it because they don't, they don't want to admit that.
I mean, the fact of the matter is that we, you know, part of a good chunk of the wealth in this nation was created by, you know, land that was stolen from Native Americans and land that we, and
construction that was done by people that were enslaved and stolen from their homelands in Africa.
But they're not going to ignore the Constitutional Convention.
They're going to ignore the debates about the Constitutional Convention, what was said there, both sides of it.
They won't teach that.
They'll say, well, America's great and leave it at that.
Donald Trump is great.
Let's leave it at that.
Mark, listen.
I totally know where you're going, but here's what happens, though, when somebody like the American patriotism people,
they
hear your story as saying, see, there's a woke indoctrinator trying to make American history sound horrible.
And we can't permit that.
And I'm trying to say is going sides of telling this story is not the way to engage in.
empowering civic values.
Right.
We got to leave it there.
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