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Decoding the Generation Gap: Guns, Free Speech and Streaming Wars (Hour 2)
John & Gordy · Wed Sep 24, 2025
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Very good.
Over to you, John Peterson.
Yeah.
The complaint now is that he didn't say, I'm sorry.
Somebody help me please.
This is going to fill the media for the next three days.
Can we just move on?
So I don't know if you heard this earlier this morning, but I brought up that superintendent of public schools in Oklahoma wants to put Turning Point USA in every public school in the state.
So there you go.
In Oklahoma.
Any complaints?
Any any complaints from mega out there, please give us a call and tell us that you disagree with something like that.
Oh And I'm I'm looking at a story about Derek van Orden He he is a proposal where if anybody complains about Charlie Kirk, you know or is criticizing Charlie Kirk they will prompt him to
pull funding from their district or their business or their school, wherever it is that person works.
That funding, if they were getting federal funding, is withdrawn.
He will starve the death out of those communities because if anybody uses that First Amendment right of free speech, he is going to penalize and punish them.
That's what the Republicans do.
It's all punishment and penalize.
you know, and he, he's specifically talking about a school teacher who got very upset, you know, and she spoke her onions on social media.
And it's Krista Lasecki, and she said this, black,
Why were so many people glossing over his comments questioning whether black pilots were qualified and saying some gun deaths were worth accepting in exchange for the Second Amendment rights?
She posted this on Facebook.
The post saying that Kirk spewed hate and that those who agreed with his views on guns can't be upset that he died.
Now he did say people die and that's the...
price of the Second Amendment.
He did.
Yes, he did say that.
I think that should be the first line in all our arguments against guns first and the fact that no one deserves to be shot obviously and see I'm doing the oldest qualifier.
But you know, the thing is that he eventually, you know, was one of those people that we had to sacrifice to keep our Second Amendment rights.
And that's never a good thing.
It's not a good thing to say that first.
And then, you know, becoming a victim himself is the irony of it.
And it's all uncalled for if we could just do something about guns in this country and the Republicans, the Megas refused to solve any of this.
Now, they're obviously very upset about Charlie Kirk's death and everybody is.
But the other thing is we don't get upset about.
Mass shootings in public schools where children are killed 20 We don't get real upset about that We don't worry about the family and how they're gonna accept that or brothers and sisters are gonna miss their brother or sister We don't talk about that.
We talk about a pundit We talk about a politician a person who has a podcast we put them above everybody else That's the upsetting thing for me.
That's what I don't understand.
I don't get it
Everybody's life is worth it.
Just one life is worth it.
If we could just save that person, that one person, seriously, why can't we do it?
We should be able to do it in this country.
That's what's upsetting for me and I think this teacher who spoke her onions, got this out of her system, nothing wrong with that.
She has every right to say that and it's not horrific either.
It wasn't put in a horrific way.
So thank you.
Derek Van Orden for punishing us for speaking our First Amendment rights.
We know where you're coming from because you've got a president who wants to be a dictator.
Got it.
Thank you, Doug.
I think the first step was obviously to
Malls not build them anymore Special escalator fast reaction task force.
I love that Thanks, Doug being on top of that follow it.
All right.
Okay.
Keep us updated.
All right.
Let's get to some of the treatments for autism Trump's FDA is approving
a supplement.
It's an extreme version of a vitamin, and it is meant to help those with autism, a certain kind of autism, and it should improve their ability to communicate.
It says here the Trump FDA issued an official notice saying that it was approving the tablet from Le Coravin.
a fulinic acid supplement as a treatment for autism.
Lecavorin, that's it, Lecavorin is a form of vitamin B used in the 1950s.
Of course, that's where RFK Junior is getting all this information from the 1950s.
The director of the University of Chicago Medicine Neurodevelopmental Clinic warned the supplement
should not be given universally and is not a cure, but it has the possibility of helping.
Ungoing clinical trials have shown it may help children with autism who struggle with communication.
Kennedy touted it as an exciting therapy that may benefit large numbers of children.
Nope, don't give it to large numbers of children, they're saying.
The research is still in its early stages explaining there's still
at the 10 yard line in regards to this, but if it helps, it'll help a little and I think that's, that's enough.
And I'm sure that, you know, people that have this particular kind of autism have already been informed of this kind of treatment anyway, but it's out there now and they made a big deal about it.
Okay.
Got it.
Good enough.
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And of course, for the COVID injection for over just five years, 38,742 deaths associated with COVID injection, that's over 8,000 per year.
But wait for it.
Those are just the facts.
I know VAERS and VAERS, it doesn't prove causation.
It doesn't prove causation.
But it should be causing
positions and federal health officials to ask the questions.
And God bless President Trump and RFK Jr.
for asking the questions and starting to use their positions, their platform to give parents informed consent.
Thing is, people don't usually take ivermectum to kill parasites in their bodies.
So not a lot of people use ivermectum.
So the death rate is very low for that for humans.
Animals, not people.
The reason such a low death count is, of course, they don't take those pills.
And by the way, causation, there's no
correlation there, you know?
The deaths aren't really correlated with what I'm talking about, but you know, you can take the numbers for what they are, just numbers that I'm spewing forth mindlessly as I always do.
That's Ron Johnson for you.
Boy, why do we pay this guy?
Who?
He beat Russ Feingold of all
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morning.
Hey, good morning, guys.
I guess that's up to me.
Yeah.
All right.
I think
All right.
Yeah.
Right, right.
Seriously.
Yeah.
Well, I think I got this.
Maybe today won't be as pretty as maybe we wanted, but by tomorrow, into the weekend, and even in next week, we're looking at a ton of sunshine.
Nothing, no rain at all.
The only chance we have is maybe tonight, a spotty sprinkle.
Otherwise, we're dry, we're looking good.
Highs today, little cooler, 70 degrees, more clouds and sunshine, and then tomorrow, bright and beautiful, 75.
By Friday, we hit 80.
the low 80s into the weekend.
And next week, you guys, gosh, summer again.
It's
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No, you know, he's weaponized the FCC which he can't do and the FCC doesn't have that kind of power So now he's out there blabbing away and this is what he wrote.
I can't believe ABC fake news gave Jimmy Kimmel his job back
The White House was told by ABC that a show was canceled.
Something happened between then and now because his audience is gone and his talent was never there.
And I want to say to the CJs and my mega friend in Milwaukee, when every comedian isn't funny, you really got to question the person criticizing the comedians.
I think there's a real problem there, okay?
Not every one of them is not funny.
And plus his show was not canceled.
It was suspended.
It was suspended.
That was the wording.
So he says, why would they want someone back who does so poorly, who's not funny and who puts the network in jeopardy?
Really?
By playing 99% positive Democrat garbage.
He is yet another arm of the DNC.
And to the best of my knowledge, that would be a major illegal campaign contribution to these people.
This is the president of the damn country.
He says, I think we're going to test ABC out of this.
Is that it?
We're
for
us?
to frag me and the president, wouldn't you?
But yesterday on the world stage too, he was quite interesting, wasn't he?
Yeah, he's back on the side of Ukraine.
At least for a day.
But who knows?
But here's what I came up with that I truly think about this guy, the more I've thought about it.
He did not really want this job at all.
And he's so haggard and beat down looking, he looks like a
Haggard and beat down price fighter to me.
Coming down the steps the other night when he got to New York, it took him a half hour to get off the plane.
The only reason this guy ran for president is to stay out of prison.
He has no interest in governing.
It's obvious.
None.
He's truly embarrassing though yesterday.
Give
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Mike.
Well, that was when I shared, but credit goes to the bulwark.
okay.
Yeah, I shared it on Substack and also wrote an article that sort of related to that article, but if people don't know the bulwark, it's a heck of a good site.
It is, do you subscribe to it?
Well, on Substack, yeah.
Yeah,
Um, you, you actually, uh, pointed out a interview that was on PBS about Tyler Robinson, uh, the shooter and, uh, and you alleged alleged that's right.
Alleged shooter.
We don't know for sure, but, um, all right.
Anyway, this was an interview with a, um, a podcaster who knows this.
This group of individuals who hangs out on lines and as a gamer as well and his name is Let's see here.
I just dropped that out of my it is Ryan Broderick and Let's let's play a little piece of that before we get into the discussion about coming first for Jimmy Kimmel and some of the other points of Of your posts here.
Let's go to it
Amidst all this, we're seeing so much of an attempt to pin the blame on left-wing ideology or right-wing ideology.
Is that the right way to think about or talk about these online subcultures?
I don't believe so.
I think the thing to really focus on here is that Tyler Robinson is of a generation that has grown up in America where there have always been school shootings, always been spree shootings.
And many young people, many young extremists that we've seen come out of the woodwork over the last few years since the pandemic see
public violence as a path towards fame towards glory another way to go viral and they talk about this on platforms like discord and websites like 4chan this is common knowledge for young people and so of course there is the knee jerk reaction to blame this on anti fascists or leftists or trans communities or right-wing commentators but this is a larger problem a much more politically complex problem and it's one that is very ingrained in american society
in the 21st century at this
point.
All right, that is writer and podcaster Ryan Broderick.
Thank you so much for being
All right.
And, you know, we talked about it when you were last in here.
And I said, and I promised that I would talk to my Gen Z sons about this and get their point of view because one of them is a gamer and knows all about this.
And his point of view was very similar to this, that it's almost an apolitical group of people.
And what they do is they just focus on one thing or one thing that might, you know, cause them to do something as dramatic or as drastic as what happened to Kirk.
And the thing here is that we really have to kind of put this in perspective that he mentioned, this is a generation that grew up with school shootings and that kind of trauma that's taken place for them.
And they go through the drills to kind of, you know,
bring that point home.
Each and every week or month, how many times public schools actually go through these drills, I don't know, but I think this is what we should be looking at.
This is what we should be talking about, not laying blame on the right or the left, but it's a different generation.
Yeah, and one of the things that I think people need to appreciate is that for as long as there have been kids, kids have wanted to communicate in ways that
that older people can't understand.
They develop their own lingo.
They have their own code.
And when they talk to older people, they speak in one way, and then they code switch when they talk to their peers.
And they use words in ways that warp the meaning of, the traditional meaning of those words.
And so when we're listening to some of this chatter or reading some of this chatter, we're leaping to all kinds of conclusions.
and assigning motives and deciding what ideology this person has or what ideology that person has.
And I think a lot of these kids online know that older people are jumping to conclusions and they're playing us for fools.
And we just have to be aware of that.
And that's what journalism should be all about is being cautious enough.
to keep digging for facts, keep looking for corroboration, keep looking for more sources that can confirm what other sources say so that we can really get to the truth.
And
I think this digital world that we live in, everybody just throws stuff out there.
And it's taken by some people as gospel, it's rejected by other people as fake news.
And that's just such a sick impulse.
that gets us nowhere good.
Yeah, I heard Catherine call in when I was driving in and she was talking about interpretation of words and context.
And of course, that's so important.
And what Jimmy Kimmel said that got him in so much hot water was pretty darn innocuous, but people read all kinds of meaning into those words.
Well, you know, I want to share with you some far more provocative words.
right
So I don't care that he's dead.
He's not a hero.
He's a scumbag.
He shouldn't be celebrated Cue all the people who are gonna say never let McCabe on the air again.
Yeah, but those aren't my words I'm quoting someone
I'm quoting the actual words that came out of a man's mouth.
That was Charlie Kirk talking about George Floyd.
That's what Charlie Kirk said in public on the air about George Floyd.
I don't care that he's dead, he's not a hero, he's a scumbag, he shouldn't be celebrated.
Now
if I
hadn't added that context,
if I hadn't
said that I'm quoting someone talking about someone else,
people would have undoubtedly jumped to all conclusions about what I was talking about.
would have assigned me motives and said, this is what McCabe believes.
It's so important for us.
That's why journalism matters.
And when we demonize the media to the extent that our society has, we're...
We're shooting ourselves in the foot because we're leaving ourselves vulnerable to the propagandists who just fill the airwaves and fill online spaces with a bunch of lies and hearsay and a bunch of garbage, and we consume
Well, you know, a lot of times we think the mega is a little out of touch, a little behind.
They want a simpler life, a simpler explanation for things.
And I think this may be a little more complicated, and that is this new generation, the gaming generation, where they have their own language, their own interpretation, and we're trying to interpret it with our old ways of thinking.
And that's the big problem.
And they did jump on board, as I mentioned in the earlier conversation I had with Catherine.
that they saw this open door and they just flooded that door with whatever they could come up with to blame the left for making it seem like it was a right winger who did the shooting.
And
we never really did that.
We also, we have to cut each other some slack because we all
are in such different information ecosystems.
And what one person is hearing about and learning about is so vastly different.
We don't all have the same information to go on.
We don't all have the same facts that we can use to make judgments.
And I just had an online exchange with my best friend from high school.
And he became a trumpet over the years.
And he defended the firing of Jimmy Kimmel.
and said, hey, if an employee is bad for business, an employer has every right to fire that employee.
And I said, but that's not what happened here.
In this case, the government coerced an employer to get rid of an employee to advance a government agenda.
part.
No, he was completely unaware.
He had no idea that what Brendan Carr had said, the FCC chairman had said,
Because in his information ecosystem, that was never reported.
It was never shared.
He had no idea.
And he said, if the government had anything to do with this, I'm against it.
And I mentioned what Brennan Card said.
I quoted him and I said, this is what the FCC chair said.
And that's a pretty obvious threat.
It is.
And look, the government shouldn't be coercing employers to get rid of employees.
because he had earlier said that Jimmy Kimmel had gloated when Tucker Carlson got let go by Fox News.
I said, the difference there is that Fox News got rid of Tucker Carlson because Tucker Carlson said things on the air that caused a private company to sue Fox, and Fox lost almost three quarters of a billion dollars in a settlement because of that, and they let Tucker Carlson go.
Fox made that call.
They weren't coerced by the government to make...
to make that firing.
And he just said, agreed.
So the thing is, is that I can't really blame him.
He had no idea that the FCC played any role in this.
And and Brendan Carr, Trump's appointee, his chair of the FCC, had any role to play in this whatsoever.
So.
You know, that's that's where we have these so these totally different information ecosystems and they are not serving us well
well
Yeah, and at the same time the right wing jumped on board and just trashed Disney
on all of that.
So they had to make some kind of move, and even if it wasn't called for, they did something.
And we jumped on board and started disconnecting.
Well, of course, they lost billions of dollars in disconnections.
And then on top of that, last night, I tuned into Hulu to watch my network television shows, MSNBC.
And there was a warning up there saying that your rate is going to increase, your subscription to Hulu, plus
is increasing.
What a thing to happen right after this whole discussion, while people were dumping and cutting the cord from Disney, they raised their rates.
What a thing to do.
Yeah, they bowed down because they were afraid of losing money.
They were afraid of losing these multi-billion dollar mergers.
Yes.
Not getting them approved by the FCC.
But then it turned around and they were losing, they could lose billions of dollars in lost subscriptions.
Exactly.
You know, it all came down to money.
Rock on hard place.
It wasn't principle.
It wasn't courage.
It was just money.
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Yeah, local authors showcase.
Yeah.
Like I said, off the air, some of the area's finest authors, and then they invited me too.
All right,
Yeah, it's an opportunity for people to come and meet and chat with authors, but also books will be for sale and you can pick up a copy and get it signed.
Excellent.
Yeah.
Yeah, my wife
and
There's so much quality programming over in the UK.
It's amazing that somebody would just decide to find a local radio show in the US, but that's great.
That is fantastic.
When I lived in West Africa, we used to use a shortwave radio to get the BBC.
Oh, yeah.
And we loved this weekend show called Jolly Good Show.
It was kind of a comedy show.
on BBC and listen to it every week.
it was something we had to have back then, wasn't it?
That was our only option at the time when we lived there as far as getting something like BBC.
Well, I put it together, you know, it was in one of those Helicrafters, I believe.
Wow.
Oh,
Yeah.
You know, gotta be over half of the audience has no idea what we're talking about.
Shortwave radio.
Right?
is.
I don't know how it works, but we have...
one yes that's exactly right and the darndest things would come in over the air yeah jolly good show
yeah yeah well you know a lot of people you know were disconnecting I went on the air ranted said I'm disconnecting I haven't been able to do it because I can't decide what I'm going to do but you know they're joking now well now that you're disconnected what do you think Kimmel's back on here right yeah what do we do about
something like
get all the TV channels.
When you think about Disney Plus or Hulu or these streaming services, one of the things that's good about them is you can subscribe and unsubscribe so easily.
Yes.
So I imagine...
that when the decision was made to pull Jimmy Kimmel's show, a whole bunch of people just went in and did the one click and unsubscribed.
No penalty.
And you can just resubscribe at any point in time.
Exactly.
We kind of watch a streaming service while there's something on there that we want to watch, and then we unsubscribe for a while and pick it back up if there's something more that suits us.
permanently subscribed to any of them.
I'm reminded of what the studios, the television and movie studios, what they did was they had all of these shows, all these shows archived.
And what they did was they put them on a DVD and Blu-ray, right?
And then the strange thing was they gave up the Blu-ray DVD market completely.
It was huge.
I mean, it was gigantic and they decided to keep all of this stuff to themselves and stream it.
And they gave it an incredible market where people could buy all of this stuff and fund the studios, give them some money so they can continue to do original programming.
See, I mean, it came back to bite
lost to have a player somewhere
We got all
except for
Yeah, well, I'm just a big believer in having multiple sources.
So I have an online subscription to the New York Times.
I listen to NPR, I watch PBS NewsHour, I have a subscription to the local paper.
So I listen to radio, I do get a little bit on television, but I've never been a cable news guy.
I've never gotten into CNN or MSNBC.
For me, what's important is just having multiple sources, having lots of different angles on a story and lots of different takes.
then I go out of my way also, I've read George Will for years and years and years and David Brooks and people who are more conservative.
I look for some liberal voices.
Like I said, I think the bulwark is excellent.
It's a good source.
That's Mike McCabe.
Join us next Wednesday and check out his substack articles.
Tomorrow on the show, we'll talk to Tim Slecker about education, also Jim Santel, former U.S.
Attorney.
That'll do it for us.
Yes.
Stephanie Miller is coming up next.
John, have a good day.
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