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Utah Valley University.
He was speaking there debating as he always does.
He does his presentation.
He asked for people to disprove what he's saying.
And I think this was one of those events.
Prove Me Wrong was posted up all over the place.
Right.
And I just want to mention
This about social media a little Disturbed by social media in this case because I was directed to Facebook to watch Charlie Kirk get shot and and I
Didn't think that they would allow those posts to be on Facebook.
I mean, I'm just saying I don't
think I
don't think this is something we all need to see right if you want to see that particular video I guess you could do a deeper search, but not as easily accessible as something like Facebook There's just something wrong now with the ability to not have to screen anything that they post on Facebook at this point
of video they can take it off once they notice it once it's there they can take it off i'm not for censoring i'm for taking brutal yeah videos off uh you don't need to see something like this you can certainly read about it if you want but to see it then yeah it's just
I don't know.
What would you?
Yeah, it just seems that this whole thing seems wrong.
This seems like we would not have seen this maybe 10 not one.
OK, a year or two ago, we would never have seen this on there.
And of course, a lot of people would call that censorship.
I don't think we need to see brutal, bloody killings on Facebook or any of these social media sources or the major ones at least, right?
You can search out on other, you know, darker web.
Sites if you want.
Yeah, I suppose
know if they that they have that kind of control I would say it's it's really hard to as well because I've seen you know I've already seen lots of videos of it get taken down Yeah, so many people repost it and bring it back up.
It's almost impossible for the algorithm to Contain all of those videos.
It's
the hell,
To my great fellow Americans, I am filled with grief and anger at the heinous assassination of Charlie Kirk on a college campus in Utah.
Charlie inspired millions in tonight.
All who knew him and loved him are united in shock and horror.
Charlie was a patriot.
who devoted his life to the cause of open debate.
This is a dark moment for America.
Charlie Kirk traveled the nation joyfully engaging with everyone interested in good faith debate.
For years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world's worst mass murderers and criminals.
This kind
I just want to interrupt here because Charlie Kirk has some interesting friends.
These are white nationalists that he's hung out with, he's had on the show, he's talked to, he spreads that word.
That is part of what Charlie does, to hide that and to portray that something happy and goal-lucky and he goes around talking to people and getting their input.
I think, you know, the fact that he went around trying to disprove other people.
and make fun of them for their answers, for what they believed.
You know, it goes both ways, and this praises a little over the top, but let's continue.
Especially the word joyful.
Yes.
Go ahead.
Radical.
Going after the judges, right?
Yeah.
Who the hell is going after the judges, Trump?
Trump goes after the judges.
He vilifies them.
They dox the judges and his wife and everybody else in the family.
He's promoting this.
Yeah.
And he's acting like, well, you know, the left is doing this.
He's blaming the left right away.
No one knows who the killer is yet.
To our country, radical left political violence has hurt too many innocent people and taken too many lives.
Tonight, they ask all Americans to commit themselves to the American values for which Charlie Kirk lived and died.
Charlie was the best of America and the monster who attacked him was
attacking our whole country.
An assassin tried to silence him with a bullet, but he failed because together we will ensure that his voice, his message, and his legacy will live on for countless generations to come.
Today, because of this heinous act, Charlie's voice has become bigger and grander than ever before, and it's not even close.
I live like a capitalist every single day, Shank.
I live as a
Okay, just pause it here, pause it here.
I want you to play the next cut, not that that kind of runs into this cut that I definitely want to play, and that is cut 68.
Hold on to that just a moment here.
I want to say something first.
Look, it's a horrible thing that happened.
We don't want to silence people this way, obviously.
It's a tragedy even for anybody on the right, especially a guy like Charlie Kirk.
No one deserves anything like this.
This is horrific.
This is not free speech.
This is the worst way you could...
certainly deal with the opposition.
We don't want to see things like this happening.
I mentioned to Tim Slecker how I think a lot of
A lot of the people on the right wanted to actually promote stuff like this, that their lives were in danger if they spoke on campus.
They suggested this.
And if you suggest something like that, it's going to make somebody think, hey, maybe I should try something like this.
Shoot somebody.
We don't know who the shooter is.
We don't know if they're from the left, the right.
We don't know who they are.
To assume this and to say this is a misdirection play.
And I think it's just, you know, using it for their
political advantage, period.
Now, I want you to get an idea of what Charlie Kirk does talk about, what he does say.
Let's listen to this
track.
It begs the question when you see a black pilot you wonder you say I hope they are qualified.
If I'm dealing with somebody in customer service who's a moronic black woman I don't I wonder is she there because of her her excellence.
Or is she there because affirmative action almost creates thought patterns that are not necessarily.
No one really cares when it's HR managers.
No one cared when it was, you know, just kind of paper shufflers or even engineers.
But now when it's like, wait, wait, hold on a second.
You're going to remove my appendix and you're a black lesbian.
Wow.
on the
good morning.
Hey, good morning, guys.
You know, I...
Hate that he was killed.
I'm not a fan of guns.
I killed anybody that yeah, I'm sorry for his family his kids He spewed hate there was nothing positive about this guy except for he spewed hate He denigrated people of color people that didn't look like him I I'm concerned about
Where is the outrage for the kids that were shot at school yesterday?
the right never seems to be outraged by kids being killed whether it's kids in inner cities whether it's kids that are at school Whether it's kids that have gotten a hold of a loaded gun playing with it and it goes off
Where is the out?
I'm on Facebook and I'm like wow I got friends that were oh Charlie Kirk Yes, I feel sorry for him, but not one of them said But three kids were shot at a school today Well, they went to go learn not spewing hate like this guy did every day These were innocent kids that were gunned down and hopefully they won't die
No outrage about that from the right.
The president, he spews hate.
Every single day had the nerve to say the things he said.
Yes, I like this guy was just this humble, great guy.
This guy spewed hate every single day.
He should not have died for it.
Charles.
But he was no champion of the American people.
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I think it's worth to have a cost of unfortunately some gun deaths every single year so that we can have
the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights.
That is a prudent deal.
It is rational.
Nobody talks like this.
They live in a complete, alternate universe.
So then how do you reduce?
Very simple.
People say, oh, Charlie, how do you stop school shootings?
I don't know.
That's it.
I can't stand the word empathy, actually.
I think empathy is a made up new age term that does a lot of damage, but...
Don't know.
I mean he he pretty much predicted.
Yeah What would happen?
Right?
And it's just it's it's shocking in fact this last discussion that he had just before he was shot.
Yes It was all about guns
The question from an audience member, do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?
And Kirk says too many.
The same audience member went on to say the numbers five and proceeded to ask if Kirk knows how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years.
Kirk said, counting or not counting gang violence?
The actual answer is 5,700.
So,
I have this cut from Nancy Mace who has asked a question about this congressperson Nancy Mace.
Let's listen to cut 65 I believe.
Let's let's hear
it.
I'm gonna say this.
Democrats own what happened today.
I am devastated.
My kids have called panicking.
They probably all the kids of every conservative in the country called panicking.
Just because you speak your mind on an issue doesn't mean you get shot.
By that logic, do Republicans own the shooting of the two Democratic lawmakers in Minnesota?
Isn't this on both
sides?
Are you kidding me?
No, I'm asking
a serious question.
We don't know what condition Charlie Kirk is in right now.
Some raging leftist lunatic put a bullet through his neck and you want to talk about Republicans right now?
No.
No,
I'm asking you.
No, not
at all.
You said
the Democrats.
No, this is
on,
Democrats own this.
Democrats own this.
Is there a problem
with political violence across the
spectrum?
Yeah, we're talking about Charlie Kirk right now.
Listen.
Trump gets hit in the ear.
Charlie gets shot dead.
They came after Kavanaugh with a rifle to his neighborhood.
They went after Musk's cars.
They just shot two Jews outside the embassy.
Think about it.
Scalise got shot, barely survived.
It's happening.
You got trans shooters.
You got riots and LA.
They are at war with us.
Whether we want to accept it or not, they are at war with us.
And what are we going to do about it?
How much political violence are we going to tolerate?
And that's the question we're just going to have to ask ourselves.
Now, Charlie would want us to put as much pressure on these people as possible.
Dana nailed it.
This is unacceptable.
and has to stop.
And it has to stop now.
And everybody's accountable.
And we're watching what they're saying on television.
And who's saying what?
The politicians, the media, and all these rats out there.
This can never happen again.
It ends now, Greg's right again.
This is a turning point.
And we know which direction we're going.
If they could just say the same thing after school shooting, they'd have more credibility.
I'm sorry, I don't believe any of this crap.
Many a son put out a list by the way the man who he put out a list of the shootings from the right Okay, the man who targeted and killed Democratic seat representative Melissa Hortman Was a Trump supporter the man who targeted the home of Democrat governor Josh Shapiro for a Trump supporter the men who wanted to hang
Pence were Trump supporters.
The man who targeted and killed the son of Obama appointed District Judge Esther Salas was a Trump supporter.
The man who tried to kidnap Nancy Pelosi and assaulted her husband was
a
The men who were convicted trying to kidnap Democratic Governor Gretchen Whitmer were Trump supporters.
The man who sent pipe bombs to the homes of Obama and Biden was a Trump supporter.
There's no equivalent or even similar list of Obama or Biden supporters who have carried out similar murders, attempted murders or violent acts.
That's according to Mehdi Hasan who put a list.
Yeah.
Well, that's, that's
It does.
Yeah.
And then we had Scott Ross who we have to have on this show as a guest with a Wisconsin political commentator.
He found a post from.
Derek Van Orden, while Democrats all, at all levels, condemn, are publicly condemning the political violence, Van Orden is threatening political violence.
So it's just one thing after the next year.
It's back and forth.
Unfortunately, we're really not getting to the actual problem, and that's called guns.
Political
Yeah.
And they haven't even found the man who shot Charlie Kirk.
No.
And but they're jumping to the conclusion that somebody on the left, you know, it doesn't.
The thing is that violence like this is going to happen because people are instigating this violence.
How many times have you heard Trump go after Democrats and liberals and woke?
Anytime they say woke, they're talking liberals and they want to get rid of woke.
which means they want to get rid of liberals.
This is getting dangerously out of control.
us.
Yes, we have Jim Santel standing by here.
It is 735.
highs today in the mid-70s, right now 56 degrees.
Before we get to Jim, let's... Mark has been waiting patiently on the phones here.
Mark, go ahead with your comment and we need you to keep it a little short here.
We have Jim waiting for us, but go ahead, please.
Not a problem, brother.
Charlie Kirk actually didn't mind school shootings at all and thought that was just the price we have to pay for it.
Considering the Second Amendment is how we secure liberties, I mean that our liberties are
established by governments to secure these rights, you know, governments are instituted among men.
The preamble to the Constitution includes both the general welfare and domestic tranquility in it.
And these guys have for a long time, Charlie Kirk and his conservative minions and full thinkers, they're protesting the things that they're protesting in the Confederacy, the doctrines of natural liberty, human equality, and the social contract.
They do not believe there's a social contract out there.
And the shooting of Charlie Kirk was unacceptable, but for these people to say, well, it's declaring war against us.
I mean, for God's sake, they got what Alex Jones talking about this, the guy who denied Sandy Hook happened.
For the love of, you know, we did have to declare war on conservatives over the shooting of the people in Minneapolis or any other, you know, the Giffords was in Arizona, we got shot.
that we didn't declare a war then against conservatives because that was a conservative shot her.
I mean, that Gabby Giffords, a symmetric warfare that they're practicing against us is, is it, and we can't use, hate using word war, but we, it's got to be a war of words.
It can't be a word of war of bullets.
Yeah.
All right.
Thanks guys.
Thanks, Mark.
Thank you, Mark.
I forgot about you.
Gabby Giffords.
Yeah.
That, that was another horrible.
Yeah.
Example.
I don't want to list examples.
We just
got to get rid of these damn weapons.
And let's talk to Jim Santel this morning and find out what your input is, what your thoughts are on all of this.
Yeah,
Good morning, gentlemen, to your listeners, another profoundly sobering day in the life of America and the history of our nation.
We know we know
Frankly what the solutions to this are offer a couple of things I happen to be there serving as a president the board of directors or a group called wave it is an a Nonpartisan non political group that advocates for rational reasonable balance and legal and constitutional conditions on the possession and use of firearms We know going back to 2008 the first time in our nation's history that in a case called Heller
Antonin Scalia said for the first time in our history that there is a constitutional right to possess weapons individually in the home for self-defense purposes.
We never interpreted the Second Amendment that way before until 2008.
It was reaffirmed just a few years ago in another case called Bruin.
Again, another Supreme Court justice writing for the majority.
Said that you can also take those weapons out into the street and you've got a constitutional right That's the law in America and yes We embrace the rule of law even on a day when we have had this these horrific events plural yesterday We know what the statistics are we can all cite them and we condemn with absolute clarity Yes, and without condition everything that happened yesterday as to Charlie clerk at Utah Valley University and the students at Evergreen High School the many others it is all
unacceptable, it is all tragic.
And here's the point of all that.
In 418 days from today, you know this well, 418 days from today, we go to the polls and we elect the 120th Congress of the United States of America.
That includes 435 members of the House of Representatives that includes the third of the United States Senate.
If you go to the polls and you elect people who are committed to making a difference and changing what happened in America, you can do it.
Why?
Because we know what works.
We know that if you get rid of assault weapons in America, that happened back in the 90s.
We know that the incidents of these kinds of things happen.
We know that if you do the gun show loophole and create universal background checks, we know that that works.
We know that safe gun storage works.
We know that extreme risk protection orders.
work.
I can go on.
Wave and others talk about these things all the time.
How do we know that they work?
Because in those states, those states in the country that have enacted these kinds of things, they have got a dramatically, dramatically, statistically lower incidence of yes, school shootings and mass shootings and individual shootings of the sort that we are once again talking about America.
America, you know what works.
go to the polls in 418 days from today and elect people who in their first hours and the 120th Congress on January 2nd of 2027 will introduce legislation and pass it and change America so that we can begin to address these issues.
We know what happens.
We know it works to respond to it, and we've got it within our purview to make a change here, so that Charlie Kirk's and the Evergreen High School and all of the others that we can talk about, 309 mass shootings in America just since January 1 of this year alone, mass shootings for more people shot.
We can change that.
And when people look back on the history of this time and they're going to ask whether it's children, grandchildren,
What did you do?
The answer is we knew what we could do.
It's effectively like solving a serious medical issue.
We've got the solution to it.
The question of history will be, why didn't you act?
Why didn't you stop to do this?
And the answer is, Americans have it within their purview to do just that.
We've always had it within our purview.
418 days from now, you go to the polls and not single issue voters, but people who, again, are rational, reasonable people who will say, yes, indeed, we can enact these things.
We can make a safer nation where the Charlie Kirk's of the future are not assassinated, where the children at Evergreen High School are not shot.
We can do this.
And let's do it.
Let's make it happen.
So you had up a group called Wave and you're looking at the best ways to control firearms in some way shape or form.
You know, the right has complained about this kind of control, even though they say guns are a right that we have, constitutional right that we have, but we also have a constitutional right to vote.
And they made us jump through hoops.
one hoop after the next just to cast a ballot.
That's okay.
But we can't put a hoop up, one hoop up for owning a gun, which drives me crazy.
Now here's a point.
RFK Jr.
came up with another gun violence excuse, SSRIs.
And that's a class of medications used to treat mental health conditions like depression and anxiety.
While magas blame mental health for shootings,
And the need for treatment, RFK Junior is now saying that the treatment and those drugs are turning people into shooters.
So you can't even use the drugs nowadays, and you can't treat people with mental conditions because the drugs are creating shooters too.
There's no way out of this
Exactly.
And to those points, that is the solutions that are out there.
Again, here's your civics lesson, which I am always inclined to do with the two of you and all of your listeners.
I talked about Heller back in 2008 through and in 2015.
In both of those cases, you know who told us
that your right to carry firearms is conditional.
It can be restricted and can be limited by the government.
I know
And he says that, you know what, there's nothing about our decisions.
And yes, Clarence Thomas and others recite the same thing in Bruin three years ago.
There is nothing about the right under the Second Amendment, and it is there.
Yes, we can debate whether or not it really is there, but that is part of our constitutional law today.
You have a personal right.
to own weapons.
You do not have an unconditional right.
And so when people say, Jim, I've got gun rights, yes, you do.
Absolutely.
And there's also a prerogative.
And I would offer an obligation of government to restrict those based upon all sorts of things, including
places and times of manufacturer, sale, distribution, use, possession, all those kinds of things.
And Antonin Scalia and the United States Supreme Court have said that your right to own and possess and use weapons in America is conditioned.
It is restricted by all of those things.
There is nothing about the list I gave before that is unconstitutional.
You can do all of those things tomorrow within the ambit of the constitutional law.
do it.
It's just that simple.
Thanks for taking my call.
Sure.
Bad day in America.
You know, and I've heard some of your callers, they sure don't know Charlie Kirk.
The man preached about
God and country, faith, and the love of his fellow human beings.
And
he called people to the microphone, front of the line, like you guys do sometimes, people that disagree with you.
And I met him twice, proudly.
I heard someone say that he loves school she rings or whatever.
He spoke the truth about the black community.
Only 20% of kids born in the Black community have a father or two parents in the home today compared to probably 25, 30 years ago, which it used to be 80%.
He cared about the Black community.
He wanted kids to have both parents in the home because he saw the destruction of the family structure and he preached
Um, he loved to have people dispute, uh, or question his beliefs, but they don't, they don't believe you shouldn't believe that this man preached hate because if you hear him
He's trying to, whether you agree with him or disagree with him, he treated people with respect.
think,
What he said was, if they're getting extra points.
Let's
Well, I tell you what, he didn't do what he believes.
didn't believe in violence.
He didn't believe that it's okay.
I think we should keep the Second Amendment legal, legal gun owners and law abiding citizens.
Well, I tell you what, it's not going to change.
All right.
Legal gun ownership should be allowed in this country.
It should change.
People that are evil, it's the person that pulled the trigger guys.
Yeah.
It's not the gun.
been a
All right.
Oh, no, CJ, we gotta go.
We've got our guest here.
I want to mention this too, Jim.
You're part of a group that is looking at ways to make gun safety better in this country.
Your group is WAVE.
Has there ever been talk about maybe getting an insurance policy in place?
to require insurance.
And Jim will
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A couple of texts here that we want to get to.
Pete from Winniconny says, good morning, guys.
First, my condolences to the people grieving, Mr. Kirk, today.
While scrolling through the reactions last night and this morning, I was struck by how quickly conservatives went from bots and prayers to the left did this with no proof.
Another one from Darren.
Why are we letting him lie and put these false facts out there?
He was talking about CJ.
Because I want to hear from CJ.
CJ's explaining is too much this early morning.
According to somebody.
No, no name there.
But anyway, that's some of the input there.
I asked Jim about, you know, some requirement maybe to have insurance.
If you're going to buy a gun, have insurance for it and have the insurance companies decide whether you qualified enough to buy a gun.
What do you think, Jim?
Jim Santel.
I will get back to that.
There are two kinds of insurance that are out there and it's not mandated necessarily, but part of our discussion is of course about the gun industry itself and I know it's a broader issue and it also raises lots of commercial issues as well, but significant as well that in 2025, just a few months ago, the United States Supreme Court in a unanimous decision, Smith and Wesson is sued.
by the Mexican government, by Mexico.
The name of the case is Smith & Wesson versus Estados Unidos Mexicanos.
And in the end, the Supreme Court and the reason why Mexico brings the lawsuit
is to
OK, we're going after the weapons manufacturers and the Supreme Court comes back and says you lose Mexico.
And the reason is, of course, something that we are thoughtful about as we think about all these issues on this somber, horrific morning once again.
We have the protection of waffle commerce in arms act passed by the United States Congress a number of years ago.
And it says that domestic firearm manufacturers cannot be sued.
And the basis for that is the shield that has been provided by by the Congress for manufacturers.
And so Mexico loses.
And again, it's the other reason why suits generally against against manufacturers of
of firearms fail because the Congress has provided a shield
not exist from any other companies and manufacturers out there and it's just an observation as we think again about the kinds of things that that that are out there and so that's one perspective you know there are two categories of insurance generally property coverage for the firearms themselves against loss or damage and liability coverage for instance that occur during the firearms use and
Some of the policies out there do incorporate that.
You know, different varieties out there.
Yes.
The notion is, of course, we're providing insurance to prevent this horrific thing that will happen.
Let's get to the core issues, which
I said
had
There was a horrible situation where a number of people died due to gun violence.
It was a mass shooting.
And then they put
laws into effects, you know, because they had inconsistent state laws, they put those in effects, they put in registration, they put in all kinds of background checks, and the gun depths, you know, went way down.
And, you know, Austria, I mean,
What is it going to take?
When is it going to happen that the United States wakes up?
This can be done.
It can happen.
It happened in Australia.
There's other places around the world that don't have near the level of gun violence that we have.
other piece of this, again, liability insurance for legal liability always does not cover intentional or illegal acts.
Insurance companies do not want to be insuring people who are engaging in intentional illegal acts, including obviously homicides and attempted homicides of the sort we saw yesterday.
touched on it right away into the fact that, you know, the second amendment was misinterpreted in the first place.
thanks to Justice Scalia, seeing something that no one else ever saw in the Second Amendment.
In fact, it almost seems like the Second Amendment doesn't really apply anymore because we don't have some of the, I guess, the laws that were needed back when the country first started, right?
So I don't
long.
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