BS and a Bean-sized Man (Hour 1)

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BS and a Bean-sized Man (Hour 1)

John & Gordy · Wed Sep 3, 2025

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That's right another beautiful beautiful dam in a rain overnight certainly wmdx 92.7 John and Gordy in the morning.

Yeah streets are a little bit damp this morning We had some showers a couple hours ago It looks like those are clearing out and maybe we'll still see a sprinkler a shower here or there today.

Really?

Yeah

No, you don't think so.

Well, maybe I'm

here the

weather man You kind of get a feel for this and now I'll defer to you.

Yeah.

Well, I just look at my phone like everybody else

You don't really need any TV weather people anymore.

Just get a phone.

He's on

the

internet.

This is something right here.

He's turned his back.

Well, let's see be whether people do a fine job.

Yes, they

do,

especially during breaking weather.

You know, tornadoes.

It's good now that they can

look right down at their phone and get the immediate weather forecast as opposed to just making it up until they get off the air to check and see if they were right.

That's it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So here it is Wednesday, September 3rd.

And it's 62 degrees currently.

Temperatures are going to stay in the low to mid sixties through the day.

Hmm.

Yeah.

And we still have a chance.

You might want to grab the umbrella or the jacket.

Because we still might see a shower here and there.

Although I haven't checked the radar yet, so I don't know.

It's up to you.

You've got a phone?

Look at it.

I

don't know.

You know what?

I think I'm going to do that.

Grab

my

phone as you were looking over here.

And let's see here.

I'm going to check the radar because that is the most accurate indicator.

Then when you get a moment, check the sunrise and sunset numbers.

People need to know this stuff.

It looks to me like we're in real deep trouble.

Oh,

really?

Oh, that's the wrong state.

Wisconsin is what you want.

You're looking at Minnesota.

There's a whole band of storms moving through, but we're going to get clipped by one of them.

And it looks like it could be in an hour.

Really?

OK.

That's us right there.

Yeah, I see that.

There's that one

right there.

Yeah.

That's a mean-looking cell.

Is

it?

Yeah.

OK.

If you say so.

Well, it was a frowny face on it.

You know, what did

you do?

Okay.

Um, all right.

So yeah, a little bit later on, Matt Rothschild is going to be here.

Okay.

Sunset.

Oh, at 728 tonight.

So just market on your calendars.

What about sunrise?

Well, it doesn't matter.

Oh, no, it's 624.

Okay.

So we still have that to look forward

to.

A few minutes.

Did I mention Matt Rothschild will be here?

We're still rocked out down.

Yeah.

Somehow we're still logged out

here.

I know.

I know.

We'll have to wait

until after

this.

I had to

steal the keyboard and then I didn't want

to get it.

Oh, OK.

Well, here you should have just said

something.

Oh, don't.

OK.

OK.

A wireless keyboard here.

OK.

All right.

Now you can get to it.

OK.

Yes.

Let's see.

And Mike McCabe will be here as well a little

bit

later on.

Yes.

He's got a new sub stack.

Blog he does talk to him.

He doesn't know about that and That's that's all I have.

Oh, no, we've got a

inaccuracy

of course usual, right?

We've got a few stories and

then we've got news stories coming up, too a little after seven o'clock and You know, we do have Matt coming in here Matt Rothschild.

He's going to be in here at about 52 That's 652.

Okay

And and we'll ask him a few questions the current questions about what's going on in the world I did have a question that I wanted to ask about Scott Walker being load off the John Doe to Problem that he had you know

Scott

Walker was one of the most corrupt politicians the state has ever seen And he didn't want to solve any of the state's problems.

He just wanted to solidify the Republican agenda

In the state and he did that you know, they

got rid

of unions and they did everything they could to squeeze our educational system in the state So they lost a lot of funding during that time and then of course Scott as he was Certainly running for office.

He had an extra little Wi-Fi unit installed in his office.

Oh, that's right.

I remember that.

Yeah Didn't know anything about it

Oh What was he using it for private

me

didn't know what it was being used for

he didn't

know nothing.

He knew nothing.

It was It

was all it was

Get all choked up Wow.

Yeah, I know I mean, it's you know something wrong there.

It's a traumatic thing for me and then of course John Doe was Scott Walker's campaign was

working in cahoots with independent contributors and you can't do that you can't do that you it'd be a quid pro quo you don't know what they're funding your campaign for and you'll find out of course and

And in the Supreme Court, this is what it is, what it's about.

That's why I want to ask them about the Supreme Court let him off.

They said, oh, let this thing go.

I mean, this was a, this is major.

This, this was a huge deal.

And

they let Scott Walker go.

They threw out the case at the Supreme Court level of the state.

And that was it.

And

we were

just all stunned that that happened.

And if you want to know how a court can be absolutely political, that was the first huge example, in my opinion, just how political these people are.

The big thing that was talked about in Matt's book is that...

A number of those justices should have recused themselves

and

then that gets into the whole idea of recusals Which then the Republican justices said oh, we don't need

to recuse ourselves.

We're upstanding justices.

We don't need to recuse ourselves.

We don't let politics get in the way of our decision, man.

It is just truly amazing stuff.

Anyway, we'll talk to Matt, Matt Ross child about that.

Good.

We'll get to that a little bit later

on.

Uh, we've got an early morning phone call here.

So eight, eight, seven, nine, eight, two, five.

This is a different

map.

This is out in Middleton.

Okay.

What's going on, man?

Good morning, Matt.

Morning, guys.

Um,

Thanks for what you do, as always.

You're welcome.

I'm just curious what you think people will look at the MAGA movement as in like 10 years when we're all broke.

Yeah.

Because apparently, because it seems to me it's the elite, the captain's industry basically saw that China took what they learned from us.

They have a long term plan.

They're beating us economically now.

And Trump just destroyed the relationship with India, who's the largest population on

earth.

They are furious.

Yeah, for taking credit of isolationism.

They're going to

somehow bring jobs back or something.

But it seems like the people at the top basically gave up on competing and kind of said, well, we're just going to take what we can now.

We're going to enrich ourselves, screw the public, screw the American people.

You know fools like DJ will just keep drinking the Kool-Aid But it's really quite scary and

yeah Well, I

just wonder how far it's gonna go before we can stop it You know

well a lot of people are gonna wake up when the whole things comes crashing down I mean this is a situation that he's setting us up on I mean this is all going to fall apart

And we're just wondering when.

And a lot of people have predicted it would happen a lot sooner.

In fact, like it would happen now, but

it

hasn't for some reason because we have a very resilient economy.

And it's still holding up, but this is all going to fall down.

Then we'll have to put it all back together.

Yes.

Yes in a different way because we don't want to support, you know, the way things were.

I don't know.

You know, we're caught between a rock and a hard place on this one and the Democrats are going to have to certainly come up with an agenda.

I mean, I can't believe we're still saying this.

You know, we should have had that agenda and should be working on it for the next four years.

I mean,

Trump ran for office for four damn years.

We still have not gotten that message on the Democratic side of the aisle.

So, it's anybody's guess, but we'll look back on this, man.

I think that was your original question.

How will we look at this?

And it'll be a great error in history.

It'll be America becoming just another country, basically.

Well,

yeah,

yeah.

We've kind of dashed the idea.

Nothing special about it.

You're right, exactly.

We used to be the beacon of freedom in this world, and we have taken freedom and stepped on it, crushed it, and killed it.

Can I say one last thing?

Yeah, go ahead.

The great irony of this is that Trump railed against third world countries that he called shithole countries.

Well, he's actually making us a third world country.

And you're doing it very quickly.

Yes.

Yes.

That's true.

That's very

true.

All right, man.

Thank you for your call.

Thank you.

Thanks.

Appreciate it.

If you go to wmdxradio.com, you can check out our latest poll.

The question is, and I think you'll find

it

interesting, John.

Would you support a motorized vehicle-free state street downtown Madison, your route?

Well, the numbers have been changing overnight.

Oh, okay.

It's

good that we're getting a reaction on this.

Leading the way is no, we need to allow buses and delivery trucks, but no other autos.

And that's kind of the way it is now.

Yeah,

that's that's what's happening

now.

Yeah, that's a good way leading the way.

But there are other options there.

Yes, I only want feet and bikes and scooters and other personal mobility devices on State Street, no buses or delivery trucks.

You got to have the delivery trucks.

I mean, I don't know how you get around because there's no alleys in back of some of those.

Yeah, there are.

So and then the other option, nope, we should allow all traffic on State Street and that's not going

to know.

And no one's no

one's.

Nobody is voted for that.

Yeah, do we have time for would you rather yes, and first

we push it off?

Yeah, we still have time.

All right.

We

have

mark up there.

We do have mark you guys want to go to mark?

Yeah Mark's up early.

This is such an important feature.

Good

morning, Mark.

Yeah, good morning.

And let's not forget emergency vehicles, you know, the need access, you don't know on State Street without any

barge to contend with because uh... delay there but getting back to scott walker let's remember scott walker is running his campaign you know even though he didn't realize it you know from supposedly didn't realize it from the secret server in his government

office

twenty and send it he said uh... what is what it would keep gilks is it is one of his campaign guys for sending emails to one of the people sent the archer you know blocking information about the old on street garage collapse

which to this day, I can't understand why his opponents didn't use that against him.

I mean, that killed the kid for goodness sake.

I know.

It was outrageous, wasn't it?

They just did one thing after the next and they got away with it all.

If you don't maintain infrastructure, both physical and social infrastructure, you're going to fall apart.

And Walker, Wisconsin was just a prelude to Trump and America, because both of them just care about themselves.

And look at Scott Walker now, he's making good change, working for the New Hitler Youth.

Yes, exactly.

And we don't see much of him.

He pops up occasionally thinking he's going to be relevant at some point in time.

Hopefully he's done.

His appearances on TV, all he does is just support what's going on.

He has nothing new to say, which is kind of a surprising thing.

But he was the original Trump.

For us here in the state, we saw a lot of this with the Walker administration.

Thanks,

Mark.

Thank you, Mark, for that call.

When we come back, it'll be Would You Rather?

with Dominic Lee at the controls.

It's John Peterson and Gordon Young on a Wednesday morning.

WMDX coming right back.

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John and Gordy in the morning and we were talking about Scott Walker and we were talking about the failures of Scott Walker and we were also talking a little bit about looking back on the mega movement under Trump and what that would be like and Lynn out in Golden Valley suggests the mega will stay in five years.

All the failure is because of the pushback.

against the Trumpster.

He didn't get enough

cooperation.

He just didn't

get enough support.

I'll keep

that advice.

That's true.

I truly think that will be it, you know.

Well, put that in the time capsule and we'll open it up in five years if we're all still around.

Yeah.

Okay, let's get to, would you rather... Let's do it.

...starring dominically... Let's do it.

Go.

Hit it.

All

right.

Kinda snappy music.

Kinda.

Keyword.

Alright.

First question.

Alright.

Would you rather know a set of upcoming winning lottery numbers, right?

Yeah.

But not knowing what day they're announced.

Or would you know what day a nuclear holocaust would happen?

Wow, so would you want to know pretty much the last day on earth or you know upcoming winning lottery numbers?

But not knowing what day they are announced

Well, I would go with the lottery numbers because I don't you know There's nothing I can do about the nuclear thing if that's really happening But

if you figured it out if you know it would happen what day?

Yeah, and live your life like the last week and go to the craziest places You can enjoy life that last week knowing it'll be the last day

Okay, right?

It'd be hard to

enjoy anything knowing that.

That's true.

I hate to say that, but... Alright, you changed me out.

I'm doing a

lot

here.

I'll be

the Debbie Downer here

around here.

Well, you wouldn't know where it was going to happen though.

That's true.

You only know when it's going to happen, so, you know, why worry about it?

Yeah, but if it was a nuclear holocaust, it would destroy the whole world, right?

You think?

Yeah, probably.

That pretty close, but maybe.

Alright, second question.

Would you rather...

Eat a man-sized bean or a bean-sized man.

And you only have 24 hours to eat.

Whatever.

I'm not a cannibal.

Man, this one's out there.

Wow.

Where do

you

come up with these?

I

don't...

I can't... You search the internet.

I gotta keep my secrets

hidden.

I gotta keep my secrets hidden.

I can't... I can't... I can't say.

Well, that's amazing.

I don't

know.

I think, you know, a

bean-sized man would be, you know, because it's the size of a bean.

Yeah,

it's one bite.

One bite.

Done and over.

Yeah.

I don't know.

That seems crazy

to me.

Gordy, what do you say?

Yeah, I'm not going to eat a man.

What?

A man-sized bean or

a bean-sized man?

Beans.

I guess you could put off the

man size bean for a long period of time just kind of spread it out yeah five or so that's what I would go see just like that I was matching myself being

a

cyclops out on the seventh voyage of Sinbad

what was your choice sir I would probably say bean size man over and done with you know it is it's a small little bean it'll take a second there you go

Very weird question

today.

I

had

a really horrible experience yesterday.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

What happened?

Well, I finally went to the gas station to get some gas for my cars.

We did not buy any gas in August.

And

that's something that's nice to have an EV here.

But anyway, I got the gas.

Then I found out, as I was putting gas in the car, that my membership for Costco ran out.

I missed the deadline.

They allowed me to put the gas in the car and then I renewed my membership.

I got an executive club

membership.

So then I left there and then I'm driving on University Avenue.

And this woman was there's an entrance to the belt line off of University Avenue near Costco.

And it's

a big loop.

Yes, it is.

And this woman is in this newer Honda van.

And she was going she was going so slow that there was no centrifugal force whatsoever going around this loop.

And so, you know, this guy in front of me and and myself, we just sped past this person as soon as we had a chance in the belt line.

And I looked over and she is in this car.

She didn't speed up by the way, once you got on the belt line, she's got a phone, a white phone in front of her face.

She's holding the phone up in front of her face, talking into the phone.

Now this is a newer van.

So I can't imagine why she's not using Bluetooth first, right?

But okay, we speed ahead.

Then there's this big backup on the belt line.

So I thought, well, I'm going to get off from mineral point road.

So I do that, but I end up oddly, I don't know how this happened.

I ended up behind her again.

This

woman with the phone in front of her face.

So we...

our side-by-side on mineral point, Rye, or road, going down to Gammon, and she's beside me, and she's still talking into this phone right in front of her face.

And then we're sitting at a light, and the sky in front of me doesn't notice the light has changed, and there's no cars in front of him anymore.

And this woman who has the phone in

her

face, she went forward and pulled in front of this guy.

So now I'm behind her again.

Only this time, you know, I got a guy who's not paying attention, and the woman with the phone in front of her face, and that's my day.

You know?

See, that's what happens on Mineral Point.

I think that's happened

to me a few times, too, there.

It always happens.

We can't blame the road.

I'm blaming the road.

So so and my wife said Well, you know what?

This is one of those times where you probably where you're going at the store She'll be the manager of the store when you have a problem in the store and she'll come out and say oh, that's you Yeah, and that would be one of those curb your enthusiasm moments,

right?

Would be But nobody got into an accident.

No

Did you honk your horn at any point and yell at her?

I never did.

No,

I was just stunned that she kept getting ahead of me.

I may hold a

phone up in front

of my

face from now on if it works.

Okay.

Coming up, it's the Midwest Food and Farm Report, and then we'll be back with Idiocracy next.

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It is.

weather today, some clouds, maybe some sprinkles, temperatures staying in the low to mid sixties all day long.

So I told my horror story of being next to somebody whose face was planted on their phone as they were driving their new Honda van.

I don't understand

why they're not using Bluetooth.

Right.

I mean, then I, you know, I just, I could write it off, but, you know, having somebody who isn't paying attention always.

I don't know, somehow beating me out on the line.

I don't get it.

It's just, you know, weird.

Anyway, we had a response here and you can't, you can't beep the horn because God knows what you'll do then.

Oh, right.

You don't want to freak them out too much.

No, you don't want to

do that.

Right.

You know, I could get out of the car, road rage thing, but I wouldn't do that.

And then Mark also says, I don't really like to enhance free on my cell phone when I'm driving, but Bluetooth is the way to go.

But I still see people driving and texting at the same time.

Don't do that.

I did find out, finally, that you can hear the stories.

If you find a story and you're driving and you've got a green light, you don't want to keep reading.

Obviously, you want to drive.

But you can listen to the story very easily in the browser like Edge.

Oh, really?

At the bottom right, there's

a little

tiny speaker and all you have to do is press that.

or a microphone, and you can hear the story and it reads it to you.

I thought, I asked him, I said, you know, there's gotta be a way.

I can make up a lot of time if I can just listen to these stories without trying to read while I'm driving, you know, show prep stuff.

And he showed me the way.

So

there it is.

Who showed you the way?

My son,

my older son,

yeah,

26

year old, Jen Zier.

I know he's up right now.

He

hasn't gone to bed yet, yeah.

Is that

Brett or Cole?

That's Cole.

Okay, Cole is the older one.

Does he listen?

Is he listening right now?

I don't know.

No?

No.

It's not like they're gonna listen to their dad at extra time on the radio.

They hear me all day long.

And I'm not any different there than I am here.

Really?

Yeah.

Okay, yeah, there's no to two Petersons here.

There's just one guy.

I swear

a little bit more at home Only to be compatible with them they do a lot I never stopped him, you know, I thought this is their age This must be what they're talking about at school.

So I'm not gonna stop them from swearing you can't say that word around here, you know, I never I never did that

I was traumatized when I was a little kid.

Really?

Yeah.

Your parents

were allowed?

I

was out in the backyard and we had a fence up between the neighbor and us.

And I said, you know, I said, I think the F word, you know, I had discovered it.

Yeah.

Didn't know what it meant, but I used it.

And then this guy pokes his head up above the fence, but that's my neighbor.

I heard that.

I could tell your parents and I'm like, I'm like traumatized for the rest of my life.

I'm still thinking about it

today.

I think I laid one on

me.

All right.

What were you when that

happened?

I

have a five

or six.

That explains a lot.

Yeah.

Well, freedom of speech and everything.

You know, one of the weird things that Neil does, my dad had to go bite this big plat.

of bricks, because, you know, we didn't have just grills, you know, with covers on it and pellet grills and all that.

We had, they had to build a brick fireplace.

A barbecue pit.

Yeah, barbecue pit.

Yeah, sure.

And it was just, you know, you couldn't cover it, so everything had to burn on one side.

So we were burning on the other side.

Never you

couldn't grill on the

inside

really haven't

seen those no pictures Wow, but that's that's what did so we had these giant brick grills Barbecue pits what a nightmare I still still can't

get over there still

traumatized

Just in huge bricks, you know, I remember he had he invited a friend over to help him with that I thought why?

Why doesn't he do it himself?

Because they're heavy bricks.

Yes.

Hey, this is idiocracy.

It is.

Yes, it is.

There's a lot of it.

Why don't we get into that?

Okay.

All right, here we go.

It's very

familiar

right here.

As the 21st century began, human evolution was at a turning point, a dumbing down, until humanity was incapable of solving even its most basic problems.

At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be

considered a rational thought.

Just when I think you couldn't possibly be any dumber, you go and do something like this.

We can duck and cover.

There's a fallout shelter right there.

There's no way.

to survive

this, you idiot!

Idiocracy!

For the smartest guy in the world, you're pretty dumb sometimes.

All right, well, got some dumb stuff here.

You know, isn't it amazing how Trump's image pops up in your head when you think about dumb things that are being said and a lot of BS that's being thrown around,

right?

I know, there's a lot of it,

yeah.

His image comes up.

Instead of adding new words to our dictionary, let's just add Trump's picture.

to line and what they would call BS in the dictionary.

One of these days, we've got to say the S-word.

We've got to say the S-word.

I'm determined.

This is my cause in life.

Say

the S-word on the radio.

This is your childhood coming back to you now.

See, this is why you want a curse on the air.

That's exactly right.

My neighbor is

listening over the fence.

Yes.

Traumatized you for life.

So anyway, there's this guy.

He wrote a book called BS.

I'm fully spelled out, of course.

Author and philosopher Harry Frankfurt explained this in 1986 about lying and BS.

This is really a fascinating stuff.

Let's listen.

The essence of bullshit is that the person who produces doesn't really care whether what he's saying is true or false.

He's not engaged in the enterprise of conveying information or deceiving people.

He's engaged in the enterprise of manipulating opinions, manipulating attitudes and feelings, and he will say whatever he thinks will be effective in that respect, regardless of whether it's true or false.

He's not interested in telling the truth, nor is he interested in lying or in conveying falsehood.

The whole question of whether something is true or false is a matter of total indifference to him.

We live in a marketing society.

We live in a society in which everybody is trying to sell something, trying to sell a product or a person or a policy or a program.

In the enterprise of trying to sell things, one is trying to get people to buy them.

And that means manipulating or at least affecting their beliefs, affecting their attitudes, affecting their feelings.

There's so much of this that it has become normal.

We tend to tolerate it without much resistance or resentment because bulls***

encourages and normalizes, if that's a word, makes people accept as normal in difference to the truth.

It undermines our general feeling that truth is important and that it warrants respect and concern.

Part of the reason why there's so much bullshit because we suppose, or at least many of us do, that it's the duty of a citizen, of a good citizen, to have opinions about everything.

The result is, if you feel you have to have an opinion about everything, that you're gonna have lots of opinions that are nothing more than bullshit.

There you go.

So that's a little summary of his entire book called BS.

But fully spelled out.

Oh, absolutely.

And of course, he was saying that back in 1986, you'd almost think he was saying it today, right?

Just an amazing thing.

And it might be a book to read one of these days, or at least listen to.

How about this?

We were warning about this and we thought that perhaps the administration would get the clue that when we have these ICE agents out there with masks on and no particular uniform or no ability to show paperwork or anything like that, it would get abused.

Somebody would pick up on it who isn't an ICE agent and they'd start doing something about it.

And we thought, well, the administration would say, well, we got to clear up this mess and make sure this doesn't happen.

Well, they never did that.

So two men in Texas allegedly impersonated police officers and attempted to gain access to a Texas home.

And that happened last week.

The suspects were wearing bulletproof vests, ski masks, and badges around their necks at the time of the incident, just like masked ICE and police agents.

They were fatally shot, by the way, by the residents.

Yeah.

Yeah, they were very well.

saw the masks and they thought what an odd thing that the police officers would be wearing masks so they armed themselves and they shot these two individuals.

Now we knew that this was a you know a dangerous

precedent now having masks agents like this and they can't keep doing it so this is what happened and can you imagine this possibly happening to actual ice agents to actual people who are at the door with their masks on trying to get in or at least trying to gain entry or asked to come in then there's going to be another incident very similar to this now these guys are at least lucky enough that these were actually

burglars trying to get into their home impersonating police officers, but it could happen the other way around.

Right.

And that's, uh,

that's the

danger of all of this, not taking care of the problems as they

arise.

Yeah.

They absolutely should have to identify themselves and, and it should be obvious.

Well, that's, that's it.

I mean, they should be wearing uniforms or,

you know, exactly.

So we were just waiting for something like this to happen, but

we

don't have time for the next story.

We don't.

Well, that's okay.

Okay.

You know, one of these days we're going to get to this is the story.

I'm going to hang over everybody's head for a long

time.

Oh, no.

This is an

AI dating story.

OK.

Yeah.

AI dating, despite dating apps and social media advice, romantic connections can be hard to make, enter artificial intelligence.

Oh, boy.

And this is a report I got from NPR.

And it was a local reporter there and they tried AI.

and it turned out that it didn't, well, work out as well as she thought.

No

kidding.

Yeah, so we'll get to that story one of these days.

You know, I gotta say that the economy... We got a minute here, but

you can't, you know, you don't wanna go there.

It's a

little bit longer than a minute.

All right.

But I do wanna say that, you know, the economy is not doing well, okay?

Not doing well.

And we've

got...

Well, are there new numbers out or something?

Yeah, there are numbers

out.

But they're fake numbers.

But no, they're real numbers, but they're being played down by the Trump administration.

And now Trump has lost complete control of the global economy because, you know, Putin and China and all

the other... India, yeah.

Yeah.

They're all getting together.

North Korea.

Yes.

I know it.

They were all together.

They all met.

And then they had a marching parade thing.

Yes.

Did you see military

parade?

Yeah.

Okay.

Coming back, we'll welcome Matt Rothschild into the John and Gordy studios here at WMDX.

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John Peterson Gordy young in the morning with Dom at the controls

Looks like we've got a

few clouds out there to start the day.

We had some showers overnight, maybe in for a few sprinkles along the way today and highs in the low to mid 60s right now.

And

you know, we keep people up to date on when it's going to be sunset at 726 this afternoon.

We only do

that because

we hope we make it.

to that point.

We don't be optimistic.

I mean, come on.

I know, but I'm

not I'm not quite sure anymore.

Now that we have the war department in charge of everything.

Geez, you know, Trump

blowing a boat out of the water, international waters yesterday.

That is, uh, that's a mind bender right there.

Well, they have positively identified that as being a drug cartel boat.

I'm sure that must be, my God, I, I hope so.

Well, yeah.

Oh yeah.

That was quite the video.

Oh, hey, let's see.

We have

Matt Rothschild in the studio as our guest this morning.

This is

fantastic.

Have you in here, Matt?

Hey guys.

Pleasure to be here with you.

Yeah.

Well, you know, I picked up your book.

We have a bookshelf over here.

We used to have a stack of books that used to be our mic stand.

Your book was not one of them.

So there your book is 12 ways to save democracy in Wisconsin.

Sadly, of course, you should have actually said the USA because we could use those 12 ways.

But I was paging through it and I got to the section of recusals.

And in there, you mentioned the John

to investigation that was tossed out by our wonderful partisan Republican Supreme Court and it just it put up red flags.

That was one of the most incredible moments when they said, you know, they just threw that case

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out.

Yeah, it was crazy.

So it's just a little background.

This

was in

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2015.

There was a special prosecutor appointed.

He was called the John Doe to prosecutor.

He was looking into whether Scott Walker had violated our campaign finance laws during the recall elections.

What Walker was doing was he's going around Wisconsin and going around the country, sitting on the laps of some of the richest people that he could find in urging them to contribute not to his recall election campaign, not to the Republican Party of Wisconsin, but to some outside.

groups, Wisconsin manufacturers and commerce

and

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Wisconsin club for growth.

And there was a statute on the books at the time in Wisconsin that said, if you are a candidate for office, you cannot coordinate your activities with outside groups.

So it looked like, wow, this guy's just blatantly violating the law.

Wisconsin Supreme Court then dominated by arch conservatives, took a different approach.

Yes, they did.

They gave Scott Walker a get out of jail free card by saying,

Look, the First Amendment of the United States prohibits the state of Wisconsin from banning coordination between candidates and outside issue advocacy groups.

You know, these groups that say, uh, call, uh, the Democratic candidate for governor and tell him to stop being such a scoundrel, which means don't vote for the Democratic candidate, but they don't use the magic words, vote for or vote against.

Well.

The U.S.

Supreme Court, even in its worst decisions, including Citizens United, has never said that it's okay to coordinate with issue advocacy groups.

In fact, they were really explicit that coordinating with any outside group is just like giving a donation to that candidate.

For a reason.

Yeah, because it's

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corruption.

It gives the appearance of blatant corruption.

But the Wisconsin Supreme Court said,

No, we're going to look at this a different way.

That is the dominant conservatives on it.

And so they threw out the John Doe to prosecution.

They fired the prosecutor and they let Scott Walker walk.

It was

unbelievable.

It was stunning.

Absolutely stunning.

And, you know, Rebecca Bradley, Justice Rebecca Bradley, who isn't running again because she knows she's not going to win it.

We came out and said it was a First Amendment issue.

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Oh, yeah.

And the irony is that even

you know, no one could find any, Shirley Abramson in a great dissent, said there's no case whatsoever that I could find that this violates the First Amendment coming from the U.S.

Supreme Court.

But Rebecca Bradley, who we call the Bad Bradley,

was on the court and

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thank God she's not running again.

Good riddance to Rebecca Bradley.

You know, she just invented this out of whole cloth.

Yeah, it was crazy stuff and I had a little story, you know,

uh... in radio we were always uh... taking pizza for lunches once a week we'd take a pizza and have a lunch and we went to uh... surely abrahamsen i used to call her that and uh... and we have pizza and she was one of the nicest people in the world and she was really done

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bad uh... by the republicans

she really was and she

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was chief justice highly respected cheerleaders and

And then they changed the way that you will appoint or elect Chief Justice.

And they stripped her of her Chief Justice title, and so she was a justice.

But she was a tremendous jurist.

She was.

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And often on a short list for U.S.

Supreme Court when there was a Democratic president.

Absolutely.

Now, I want to get into the topic of recusals, because that is the other big issue that came out.

during this uh... john doe two thing that i want to get into and uh... uh... can you explain a little bit about the recusal process in summary only because we're gonna have you back after the break is that okay

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yeah i mean recusal means uh... getting off uh... the court uh... not sitting on a case when you have a conflict of interest yeah and two of the republican justices gableman and processor

Had benefited by more than a million dollars of expenditures by the very outside groups Yeah, that the John Doe to prosecutor was investigating Wisconsin Club for growth in Wisconsin manufacturers and commerce So they had a blatant conflict of interest here and they should have gotten off the case They were requested to do so by I believe the League of Women Voters and they refused to do so even with that conflict of interest They stayed on they wanted to give Walker this you know get out of jail free card

And they did.

Yes,

they did.

It is so amazing how corrupt the conservative Supreme Court was in this state.

And it's so nice to see something where it's a little more balanced.

We have seen votes go either way with the new liberal justices on the court.

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Yeah, they were a terrible embarrassment that the Republican dominated.

And

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David Prosser

did not have a good

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record.

No, nor the choking incident against the good Bradley.

It wasn't a good one either.

No, that was a bad

moment too.

We're going to come back with more current issues.

We'll talk to Matt Rothschild in just a few moments.

It's John Peterson, Gordy Young on WMDX, coming right back after the news.

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