Sandwich Protests and Harvest Festivities     (Hour 2)

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Sandwich Protests and Harvest Festivities (Hour 2)

John & Gordy · Thu Aug 28, 2025

Kathryn Lake

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John and Gordy.

A fantastic looking morning so far.

And by the way, the sunset is at 738.

Oh, thank you.

In case you needed to mark that down on the calendar for today.

We have to know that.

Yes.

It's bright and sunny now.

We had some clouds earlier.

We had some sprinkles overnight.

Some scattered showers.

Those are out of here now and we'll see a lot of sun.

Some clouds at times high near 73 today.

Dom, how are you doing

so far today?

I'm doing pretty good.

I've been having some stomach problems.

What's the problem?

Ever since I woke up, 4 a.m.

today, it's always an early rise.

It's been hurting.

It's probably from the pound of mac and cheese I had last night, though, maybe.

Potentially.

That was your dinner, mac and cheese.

That's it?

Nothing else?

I gotta be a better

cook.

My Gen-Z or my younger Gen-Z or a 23-year-old takes these little boxes of instant pudding and he mixes it up and he eats the whole thing in one sitting.

They're like four servings.

I told him, there are four servings in a thing.

He said, oh, I know, I didn't have a very good night.

Yeah, well, no kidding.

Coming up in a little while, we're going to talk

to Jim

Santel.

Yeah, I guess you got to learn the hard way.

Jim Santel will join us, attorney-at-law.

Also, Brandy Grayson a little bit later on from Urban Triage.

They have a harvest festival going on.

And she's going to tell us that's happening September 6th.

We'll find out more about that.

And let's see.

What else?

Oh, we've got some brewer tickets to give away.

Yeah.

We're going to do that right now, Dom?

What do you think?

What's your call?

It's my call.

Yeah.

Let's do it.

Let's do it.

I mean, who doesn't

want Brewer's tickets?

Come on.

Do we have any Brewer music?

Do we have any organ music?

Do we have some organ music?

Yeah.

Let me dig

it

out.

Do we have

Take Me Out to the Ball game?

That

would be nice.

Oh,

that would be even better.

We had that.

I know I'm throwing a curveball at you.

See what I did there.

OK.

Wow.

Yeah, Brewer's tickets.

You could

win them.

This

is swinging a miss for me.

We're going to the Brewers game.

It's against Philadelphia.

It is on September 4th.

Yes.

And it's an afternoon game.

If you would like to be going to that game, give us a call right now.

608-879-8255.

It is an afternoon game.

It starts about three o'clock.

And you'll be sitting next to John and Gordy, thanks to Dondren's Distilling.

in Cottage Grove, Downlands distilling, helping you to go to the Brewers game with John and Gordy.

Again, give us a call at 608-879-8255.

Yeah.

Okay?

And if you are selected, you'll be going to that game.

All right.

Okay.

Came across an interesting post on X. This is a post about Justice Roberts.

Chief Justice Roberts says that the rule of law is eroding.

Like we've we like we've never seen before really maybe you know, he should have thought about that when he gave the king all his power Perhaps

Yeah,

I'm giving him total immunity.

Yeah

Yeah, that is just an amazing.

Yeah, he came out and said that.

Say it again.

I'll just quote the thing.

It says, the rule of law is eroding like we've rarely seen.

Maybe he should have thought of that before ruling the president above the law.

You don't get to burn the house down and act shocked.

It's on fire.

So anyway, that's a reaction to his latest comments on that

and

then the other story that I have here is this is one of the big stories There is US espionage on Greenland At least three men close to Trump have been exposed while infiltrating Greenland eight independent sources reveal major US foreign influence campaigns on Greenland most likely

directed from the White House.

Wow.

So that is the big story.

What?

Commentator Brian Krestenstein, he wrote this, after Trump allies were exposed running covert operations in Greenland, the US is a threat to Europe.

I say this as an American who loves America.

Denmark is an ally with the US and a NATO member.

This is a violation of numerous international laws.

Trump is out of control.

Now, Megas

are

so frightened, so frightened.

by what could happen if Russia had access to Greenland, Russia had access to Alaska, Russia had access...

I don't know.

Do they know that Trump is working with Putin on all of this?

It's just wake up guys, you know What one guy wrote this about Brian's comments about you know Trump allies exposed as Colvert operations in Greenland.

He writes cry harder Brian You're quick to call the US as a threat but ignore how Greenland strategic values protect the free world from China and Russia Trump's allies are exposing

Denmark's weak grip on a critical ally.

Your anti-Trump obsession blinds you from real geopolitics.

Wow, okay.

Well,

thanks for opening our

eyes.

I don't think so.

Okay.

All right,

that's one of the big stories we

had this morning.

Hey, let's jump back onto the phones here.

I think Bob is on the phone, calling from McConnell walk.

Bob, good morning.

How you doing?

Good morning.

You ready to go to a brewer game next?

I think that's Thursday, right?

The 4th of September.

It's a three o'clock game.

You want to go with us?

You bet.

We'll

meet you there.

Excellent.

Well,

you are our winner this time.

We're getting around.

And as I mentioned before, John and Gordy will be there.

And it's all thanks to Doundren's Distilling in Cottage Grove.

Bob, hang on the line.

We're going to get a little bit more information from you.

And congratulations from Doundren's

Distilling.

Thanks again, you guys.

Yeah.

All right.

Appreciate

it.

Thanks for listening.

Yep.

Okonomic walk.

Okonomic walk.

Yes.

I love it.

Have you ever been to Okonomic walk?

It's a beautiful little town.

Yeah, it's fantastic.

Yeah.

So, well, the big lake there.

Yes.

Is it

Lake Nashota?

It

might be.

I don't

know.

Look

up Okonomic

Lake.

There's a

couple of them there.

It's so hard to, it's such a long name.

Silver Lake.

That's the big, that's the big

one.

Yeah, that's the big one.

Okay.

All right, let's see here.

The other story, I love this one.

Now we get to listen to Stephen Miller.

Oh boy, how do we have to?

It's a rant.

Oh my God.

As you listen to this cut from Stephen Miller, he's talking about domestic extremist organizations, okay?

Once you listen to this, this is cut 202.

I want you to think about the gun problem that we have in this country, the shootings in Minnesota.

We can't ignore it anymore.

We have to do something about it.

One guy from Doge gets beat up in DC, right?

He got beat up in DC, so what do we do?

We occupy DC.

And here we have a shooting, two kids shot and killed, and there's no call to occupy all Christian schools.

Maybe they should do that, right?

But anyway, think about the gun problem.

When Miller talks about what's happening in this country,

He's really exposing the problem we have with guns.

That's what occurs to me as I'm listening

to

this rant.

Let's listen to it right now.

Here we go.

Democrat Party does not fight for, care about, or represent American citizens.

It is an entity devoted exclusively to the defense of hardened criminals, gang bangers, and illegal alien

killers and terrorists.

The Democrat Party is not a political party.

It is a domestic extremist organization.

Look at Chicago.

They've shut down the police department.

They've handcuffed law enforcement.

And as President Trump says, they have turned the streets of Chicago into a bloody killing field here in Washington, DC, before President Trump

launched the federal law enforcement Liberation in DC gun problem murder on the streets of this town every other day body after body after body gun problem gun problem Washington DC Residents were afraid to go to restaurants.

They were afraid to go into entire neighborhoods gun problem getting car jacked right and left Robbed and beaten.

Yes, that was Washington DC

Now we're two weeks, home beside free.

The safest the city has ever been in its entire history.

Oh,

wow.

And the

Democrats, instead of jumping up and down and saying, thank you, President Trump.

We're occupying the city.

Thank you for saving our lives.

Thank you for saving our cities.

Thank you for scrubbing away all the graffiti, the trash,

the

homeless encampments, the drugies.

Instead of cleaning up the city, instead of thanking him for that, they're saying,

President Trump, how dare you save our lives?

How dare you save our children?

How dare you save our city?

The Democrat Party, Sean, that exists today, it disgusts me.

I do not recognize

that

party, Sean.

Settle down.

He's

got that well rehearsed.

He's been

talking about that for years now.

He's just the

same

person.

Really, really

calm down.

But truly, I mean, he's talking about the gun problem we have in this country.

They're not doing anything about it.

Nothing at all.

You know, I heard a little segment from Tom Hartman just caught the end comment that he made about guns and the problem in this country and why other countries don't have it because they have rules and regulations in place.

But the last thing I heard was that they need to get insurance to have a gun.

Okay.

And I think that was a great way to block.

the crazy people from getting guns, because if you have insurance, you're on the line for it.

You pay, and the insurance company pays, and they're gonna make sure that they're giving that insurance policy to a responsible person.

So I think that might be that one final regulation that prevents the crazy people from getting these guns.

All right, let's go to the phone lines.

Yeah, Dick is on the line with a call here with a comment or a question.

Good morning, Dick.

Good

morning.

Well, to this latest tragedy, how about this, Stephen Miller, instead of thoughts and prayers all the time, how about action and laws?

And I'm going to tell you something.

Here's something else I thought of, and that doesn't make no sense to anybody but me.

But if these legislature people in the Republican side of the aisle, for the most part, both in the House and the Senate, if they were doctors,

They'd all be sued for no practice.

All of them.

Yeah.

Good point.

It is.

It really is.

They're doing

nothing.

Well, they're doing something now, flying flags at half staff now.

Nationwide globally, by the way, because of the shooting.

But that's it, right?

That's the reaction.

That's what they're going to do.

Take the focus off our gun problem and fly the flags at half staff.

That's it.

Nothing wrong with the country that has as you said twice as many guns as we do people.

Yes

Nothing wrong there.

Yeah, no

problem whatsoever.

Yeah

I

think the solution

obviously is more guns and an occupation by a army.

I think that's the real solution to all of this.

Remember in the old days when they were arguing for having guns, carrying guns, they said, well, you never know who's going to have a gun, so it's going to cut down on crime.

Anybody remember those arguments that they made?

I don't think so.

It seems like we're fighting guns with guns at this point.

It's

like the Wild

West

anymore.

All right, let's move on to Bob.

No, Bob is from a kind of work.

He won the tickets.

We have another

call.

I believe we have Kurt.

Kurt is on the line.

Good morning, Kurt.

Go ahead.

Good morning.

I keep brainstorming how we could screw with ISIS head and Trump's head.

I thought of another one.

Pritzker just needs to hire every band out of Louisiana, out of street bands.

Oh, yeah.

And bring them up to the streets in Chicago.

I just tons of bands and parades and silly string and stuff just.

Yes.

Screw with their heads.

Yes.

Yeah, I love this silly string idea.

I do love that.

Yeah.

All

right, Kurt.

Thank you for that call.

When we come back, we'll get an update on the weekend weather for Labor Day holiday with bring with Britney Merleau coming up.

Kathryn Lake

WMDX.

Davey Fritzker down there in Illinois,

the governor.

He really knows how to tell it like it is, and I love what he has to say.

I like his fighting spirit.

And you know, he's got the billions of dollars to fight Trump in courts if he wants to.

He's

been out there pushing.

Yeah.

It is time for us to check in with Brittany Burlow.

Find out what's happening weather-wise around our area and looking ahead to the Labor Day holiday weekend.

Good morning, Brittany.

Brittney Merlot

Good morning guys.

We've got nothing but good news.

How's that?

I like

Brittney Merlot

that great.

Yeah Fantastic because we've had all good news this morning on the program.

Let's keep

Brittney Merlot

the

record going.

No, it's not true

Brittney Merlot

Well, the weather is gonna be fantastic.

It's gonna be partly sunny today Downright comfortable mid 70s.

This is what people sing about right perfect California weather

in

Brittney Merlot

Wisconsin today, but tonight

Just so you know, way up north, just in case people are leaving early for the holiday weekend, it is going to be frigid.

We're talking about a frost advisory already out in Ashland, Iron County, way up north, where they're dropping down to the mid to low 30s tonight.

Now here for us now, upper 40s, so it's still cold.

But yeah, we're getting a pretty chilly

up north.

Brittney Merlot

Otherwise.

Hanging on to those low 70s into tomorrow, Saturday.

We'll get a little boost to the mid 70s on Sunday and into Labor Day.

It turns a little bit more muggy.

I think crazy.

And then we'll be in the upper 70s as we push into next week.

And we hold off on all rain until Wednesday of next week.

Wow.

Great.

Perfect.

Fantastic.

Couldn't be better.

Brittney Merlot

No, it really couldn't.

And, you know, the sun is still warm enough and nice enough to where you still want to dip in the water when it's mid to upper 70s.

So I don't think any plans are going to be ruined for Labor Day.

Well, are you talking to Don because he's going to Noah's Ark at the Wisconsin Dells?

He wants good weather.

Yeah, he wants warm weather.

It's

Brittney Merlot

true.

It's true.

It's going to work out for you.

Oh, man.

It's relieving.

It's relieving.

Thank you, Brittany.

Yay.

Catherine

Lake

has

joined us now.

Yeah.

Catherine, you have a question

for Brittany.

I have an official question for our meteorites.

Hi, Brittany.

Hi, Catherine.

I'm questioning whether or not our seasons are shifting.

Did you do a story about that this week?

Did I see?

Brittney Merlot

Yeah, so I was talking about the fact that La Nina is kind of heading in.

There's a La Nina watch that has been issued, so we're going from an Enzo neutral phase.

Into a La Nina which would change the jet stream a little bit send us a little bit more water weather and cooler temperatures as well Now it's not totally in full force But we are ceiling seeing the cooling of the ocean in the area that it matters So those changes are coming and you can already feel it a little bit.

It's already

fall for sure.

It's not supposed to be what to the 22nd or 20th of

Well,

it seemed like we had an early summer and a hot early summer.

Did we?

Yes, I think

so.

So things are shifting a little bit, maybe not permanently, but

maybe

we'll have an early spring too.

So

way up north, their leaves are already changing.

They are, okay,

Brittney Merlot

they're just getting longer.

Now, does this have something to do with what might happen for hurricane season?

Brittney Merlot

Yes, actually.

If we've shipped into a La Nina before, so if we really do this, it is going to

increase and enhance that hurricane activity for fall down south.

So that is not a good thing if we switch into that.

Well, I think gosh,

we have the NOAA satellites to keep us updated.

Wait, wait, John, did you know how to get the memo?

Oh, wait.

Sorry.

Oh, OK.

Well, anyway, it's

not funny to Brittany.

You notice that?

That's not funny.

Brittney Merlot

They are taking apart so many things, and that's Brittany's world.

It's devastating.

Those are my friends.

Those are my colleagues, you know, doing their jobs.

My world just crumbling.

It's been tough.

Well, well, great.

Make it down

or

a big celebration if you can.

Yeah, that's right.

You're coming to our listener appreciation party, you think?

Brittney Merlot

I am.

Excellent.

That's September 6th.

Yay.

Oh, yes.

Yeah.

Okay.

I need

Brittney Merlot

a place to stay.

I got to spare a bedroom for you, girl.

Wow.

Well, that's not going to entice her.

All right.

Yay!

I'm

in the studio with you.

You're here early.

Yeah.

What

happened?

You're

angry.

I've been laying into you a little bit this

morning.

That's it.

It's about you.

And I wanted to make sure I caught you before you left the building.

Here we go.

It's about me.

It's all about you always.

Oh man.

Okay.

All right.

Okay, I just want to kind of set the record street with this Albrego Garcia situation.

Okay, a lot of people don't know he's been

alleged to have done such and such and such, right?

Alleged.

I just want to set the record straight here.

I looked this up last night.

A judge said this about the accusations against him.

Poor attempts to tie a brago to MS-13, saying the court would have to make so many inferences that the conclusion would border on fanciful.

Including the photograph that was doctored to put a tattoo on his hand.

Right.

It was

just a numbering system to, you know, reference what they meant.

Right.

No, it was also just a doctored photo.

They put it on.

It was a

doctored photo.

That's why they did it.

And then a Bregel Garcia's wife, Jennifer, a U.S.

citizen, filed protective orders against him in 20 and 2021.

This is what she said about that.

She said, I acted out of caution following a disagreement with Kilmer by seeking a civil protective order in case things escalated.

Things did not escalate.

decided not to follow through with the civil court process we are working through the situation privately as a family including going to counseling so none of this is true all these allegations that Pam Bonnie is out there making against Garcia is is false not proven and and they wanted to deport him anyway

he's a poster boy based on the poster boy yes for

fear

Coming up next, we've got the Midwest Food and Farm Report, and then we'll check in with Jim Santel, attorney at law.

Coming up on Johnny Gordy on WMDX.

WMDX, it's John and Courtney in the morning.

Sounds like legal music to me.

Beautiful sunshine across the area and highs today in the low to mid 70s.

Of course, that big Badger game tonight at Camp Randall Stadium as they take on Miami of Ohio, a rare Thursday night game, right not too far away from

this really at

Camp Randall.

It looks like perfect weather for that.

So late night at Camp Randall.

That's really I mean, this is late eight o'clock start.

Yeah, and they have all kinds of traffic restrictions around the stadium

for too dark to see around.

They've got lights, John.

That's why they have lights.

By the way, we want to thank Tom out in Hartford for the great comment.

He says, Brittany is best.

Brittany is the good news.

everything goes better with Brittany.

Thank

you, Tom.

Wow.

That's great stuff.

We're going to ascend that, by the way, to her.

Yes.

That's great news.

And

by the way, I was

thinking of the other lake in Economa Walk.

It was, uh, uh, Lake LaBelle.

LaBelle.

Yeah.

I was, I attended a

overnight camp on Lake LaBelle.

Oh, is that right?

That's a two-week nightmare.

When you were a kid?

Yes.

Oh, boy.

Wow.

It was a cold lake.

First thing in the morning, swim lessons.

That was not a good time for swim lessons.

I hated that.

All right, well, let's get to our guest this morning, Jim Santel from Amicus the Law Review.

You can hear that every Saturday between 9 and 11 o'clock.

And there are so many things that I guess

we really have to get to this time around.

I mean, it never ends, does it, Jim?

As we're saying with such increased frequency on all the broadcasts of civic media, it's a lot.

It's

a lot.

That's the bumpers for these days.

Even after going through and explaining, describing, entertaining questions, those kinds of things, I always pause after I've gone through four or five sentences and suddenly realize convoluted, overwhelming, it's a lot.

And so if you are overwhelmed, you're not alone.

I join you in that sentiment here.

There is just so much going on.

And very little of it is good.

I

went through the whole Braco Garcia situation, you know, where Pam Bonnie's out there.

They're just laying in them all the time, and we're going to deport them.

And none of it has been proven to be true at all.

And the judges are saying, no, no, you can't do this.

This is fanciful stuff.

What are you doing?

And

she's out

there constantly doing this.

They had a press conference yesterday that just went way overboard from Trump.

And then he asked Pam Boddy.

And then she went off the rails again.

So it's crazy stuff.

Exactly.

And at core, it's once again this huge contempt that our president, that our attorney general has for the rule of law and the authority of federal judges to make decisions.

Remember, once again, we've got two cases pending with respect to Abrago Garcia.

There's the criminal case in this indictment that, again, has been reviewed by one of the judges who'll preside over it.

And he has decided to release, he did decide to release Abrago Garcia.

Why?

In part, he's not a risk of flight.

That's important.

Number two,

found pursuant to what you just said in your previous segment, that there just isn't compelling evidence to support the allegations in this indictment.

So no risk of flight, no danger of the community here, and the allegations not sufficiently compelling.

They release him.

And of course, then you've got the other case.

This involves Paula Zinnis.

She's back in the news again.

She's the other federal judge.

She's in Maryland, where Abrigo Garcia's spouse has brought this challenging the immigration status.

Justice has said in a number of different orders, don't you dare now deport him until we get all this adjudicated.

She's now scheduled a hearing down the road.

He's back in custody.

It is just so convoluted, as you say.

And it fundamentally comes from this notion that the administration, the Department of Justice, doesn't care what judges are saying.

As the judges have said, you need to follow the rule of law.

these folks, our elected and appointed representatives, have simply decided that they're not going to do that, that the judges are powerless.

We engage in name calling, which of course my president does on a regular basis, and dismiss all of this as just contrary to our policies.

No, no, there's a process here.

It is afforded every person in the United States.

I mean, if there was ever an argument against weaponizing government, this would be it.

They have picked one person, and they're just going after them.

Right.

Absolutely.

And again, in and out of custody.

Yes.

And again, all in the wake of plainly machinations.

And we forget, we don't forget actually, we always remember that the initial representation by the government was that this was, remember this administrative era, he was deported initially among the 238 to El Salvador by mistake.

And

we had an

assistant United States attorney appears in front of Paul Zinnis and confirms that and she says, okay, right?

You know, get him back here.

And that's the frustration of months of things.

What happens to that assistant United States attorney?

He is suspended.

And then our deputy attorney general fires him for not being a good advocate on behalf of the United States of America.

That's the United States of America in 2025.

Wow.

Thanks for reminding us exactly how that all happened.

That's something else.

Let's get to the federal judge who dismissed these lawsuits against the judges in Maryland, right?

Right.

What is that all about?

I begin with laughter only because it is just frivolous.

It is ridiculous, but it's also serious.

So what happens is

Paula Zinnis and other judges, the same district, are entering orders to basically say that before you can go ahead and deport people.

If there are immigration cases pending, gotta give us some time to figure all this out because there's so many of these cases.

So the judges enter a kind of administrative order saying, do not deport until we can decide whether or not do a process been afforded.

What happens is Pam Bondi decides she doesn't like that by these judges.

And so, and I think it's unprecedented.

and I may be able to find any precedent for it.

She sues all

of the

judges.

Every judge turns around, sues them, and says, knock it off.

Don't do this anymore.

And because, of course, it's in Maryland, can't be tried by a judge in Maryland.

You've got another judge, Tom Cullen.

And he says that the lawsuit is novel, which is giving it a lot, and potentially calamitous.

And it basically says this is frivolous.

He dismisses it.

against all 15 judges along the way.

He takes some important shots and he follows up on what we're talking about right now.

He says, you know, when you're talking about federal judges, he lists them all being left wing liberal activists, radical politically minded rogue, unhinged, outrageous, overzealous,

crooked and worse, he said.

None of this.

None of this is helpful.

And then goes on to say, and here's the language again.

So much about his order that should be written on in every textbook these days.

He says, although some tension between the coordinate branches of government is a hallmark of our constitutional system, this concerted effort, and yes, he's talking about your attorney general and your president by the executive to smear and impugn individual judges

who rule against it is both unprecedented and unfortunate, goes on basically to say, case dismissed, knock it off, don't do this, no basis for doing it, you're done.

And again, not only does he do resolve this, again...

plainly to the dismay of the administration, but tells them along the way, says, you know, you've got all the alternatives.

If you don't like what the judges are doing, you can appeal.

Gosh, there's a novel idea of Pam Bondi, right?

That I think they taught you, maybe in law school, but says, also some other things are out there.

He says, but instead you chose a different and more confrontational path.

The executive decided to sue and in a big way.

case dismissed.

And again, it is a decisive statement by a federal district court judge.

Again, his name is Thomas Cullen.

We should identify and recognize the significant work of federal judges who are the bastions pushing back on some of this.

Cullen, C-U-L-L-E-N.

And he is today, again, my hero, if you will, in terms of trying to put an end to some of this abject.

craziness coming out of the department.

I just love his comment.

I do want

to

get that.

We'll try and find that.

And it seems like these judges are good for them for pushing back, but they're the only ones that are pushing back in the government.

The Congress is completely

out to lunch.

And it's

not Democrats.

We're

talking about Republicans.

They

have control.

There was no oversight on any of these violations of the Constitution.

That's not

going on in Congress.

You've got a Supreme Court that, again, as we've talked before, shadow docket, giving the president authority to do all kinds of things without any description.

Simply go ahead and do it.

Again, you've got some other heroes on the Supreme Court.

There are names are Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan and Katanji Brown Jackson, but they're losing.

They're in the minority.

They're speaking out against this.

That's going on.

There's a little bit of another hint out there that maybe there's some federal grand juries out there.

We don't know about what they're doing.

We shouldn't, but there's

some grand juries out there that apparently in Los Angeles, maybe in the District of Columbia, that are refusing to indict people.

Here's a report coming out of, again, New York Times.

Remember this fellow we talked about, his name is Sean Dunn.

He's the sandwich thrower.

Yes,

yeah.

He's the one.

He's right.

And apparently

the report

is that the grand jury refused to indict him.

Yes,

good for them.

These are the people of the United States of America saying, what are we doing?

We're not going to bring criminal charges for someone who throws a turkey with mayonnaise and lettuce at a at a givenly government official.

That's an abuse of process.

The stories may be out there also pushing back.

I know, you know, the administration saying that it was a big sandwich.

And I'm

not kidding.

It was

a one footer.

It was a foot longer.

Well, OK.

How devastating that was.

I mean, just watching the video, it's almost hilarious that they all went after this guy, and he was running like hell.

After throwing the

sandwich.

And the other pop culture part of it, of course, is I think you know this.

that that image of him with the sandwich in his hand, his arm cocked back about to throw it, that has become a major feature of Washington, D.C.

It's being posted all around Adams, Morgan, other places, and you can get t-shirts, you can get bumper stickers,

you

can get

hoodies with that image of him doing that.

Again,

he's been

fired, of course, by this administration used

for

the Department of Justice, but he's become a pop star icon for doing this, and thankfully the grand jury now

along with that, so it's no, no, no, no, no.

I have to get that, I have to

get that.

That is fantastic.

Hey, by the way, I have a post here on X and this is just laughable.

Chief Justice Robert says the rule of law is eroding like we've rarely seen.

How do you like that,

huh?

Yeah, that's right.

Chief Justice.

Yes.

Right.

John, let's talk about what you did on July 1 of last year when you basically said that the president is immune from prosecution for crimes committed in office.

And oh, by the way, you also gave him the express authority to undermine the rule of law by saying, a president's got to be strong and muscular and virile and got to be able to respond quickly to these things.

And so go ahead and do that.

John, that's what you wrote.

That's what you wrote 14 months ago.

You're bemoaning the fact that the rule of law is falling apart.

No kidding.

Yeah, it's

amazing.

Right?

Yeah.

The book end to that, of course, is just a couple of months ago, you also said, president can't be stopped by going into one federal district court who might say that, oh, by the way,

the

14th Amendment has meaning.

Can't do that either.

So the book end of those, John, of those two opinions, you are responsible for precisely the thing you're complaining about.

Wow.

I know I don't even understand the implications.

I mean the ramifications of the decisions coming out of our Supreme Court.

It's

destroying this country.

They've done it with the Second Amendment.

They've done it all over the damn place, you know.

Money is free speech, everything.

Supreme Court has been destroying this country.

It's not so much the Congress.

Jim,

we need to leave it there.

We appreciate you being with

us.

Yeah.

Talk

to you again

next

week.

Always

a pleasure, gentlemen.

All right.

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John Peterson,

Gordy Young in the morning with

Dom at the Controls.

We got a text from Tom in Hartford, and he had some nice words to say about Brittany Merlo, and then he was asking, when is the listener appreciation party?

Tom, thank you for asking.

It's happening on, let's see, it's happening at Doundrens Distilly, and it's September 6th, right?

Is that right?

I think you got that right, yeah.

And everybody's invited.

That's free and open to the public.

And you're welcome to join us then.

It starts about three o'clock on that date.

Now, there are other things going on next weekend as well.

And now it's time to welcome in Brandi Grayson.

She is the founder and the CEO of Urban Triage.

You can hear her show on WMDX on the weekends here.

And Brandi, good morning to you.

Good morning.

How are you guys doing?

We're doing great.

You've got the ninth annual Urban Triage Harvest Festival going on in Verona, and that's happening next Saturday, right?

Yes, it is.

We're super, super excited.

It's our fourth annual Harvest Festival.

Oh, I'm sorry.

I read

that.

Yeah.

It's okay.

Yeah, it is on the farm at the Farley Center.

That's where Urban Triage grows all our produce, all of our food, and also where we run our hemp programs.

So we're super excited.

Yeah, that sounds great.

Now, it looks like you have a big day lined up there.

You've got

a

band happening.

You've got some activities for the kids.

What

else is going on

then?

I don't know.

Urban Triage is known to do too much.

So our vents are also too much.

Okay.

So we have stilt walkers.

We have airless.

We have jugglers.

We have a magic show.

We have a caramel apple station, popcorn.

We have the balloon, not balloon, but the bubble guy.

He comes and does this huge performance and sets up all these stations.

um with the kids cotton candy a spoken word free food soul food um free wine free beer um it is just going to be a hoot and we have two bands we have two

Um, we have one local band, a deem, um, R and B and jazz.

And then we also have a band coming from Milwaukee.

They're called the cigarette break band and they are also jazz and R and B. Um, so we're super excited.

And we have a golf carts for, um, folks who have, um, just different abilities to move around the farm, um, to, and we have people who serve as our elders.

So we have a reserve area for our elders and folks who will go get your food, your wine and beer.

So you can just hang out and listen to the.

music.

It really is a big community event and everyone is invited and the purpose of our event is to celebrate our harvest, celebrate community and celebrate agriculture.

So please come out and join us located at the Farley Center and the event is from 3 p.m.

to 8 p.m.

3 p.m.

to 8 p.m.

And the Farley Center is at, that's in Verona at 2299 Spring Rose Road.

Is that

right?

Yeah.

Yeah, it is.

It is.

It's about 15, 18 minutes away from Park Street, if just in case people are wondering how far that is.

It really isn't that far.

So please come out and hang out with us.

I guarantee you

a phenomenal time.

Bring your family, bring your partner, bring your grandmother, okay?

Coming out with Urban Triads,

yes.

Sounds

like a

great time.

And again, fourth annual.

So everybody's welcome to join in, free admission

and all kinds of

free food and drink and good times

for the kids too.

Yeah.

Very good.

All

right, Brandy.

You can't lose with free beer.

No.

That's a big trick.

You really can't.

That's going to get some people there.

Excellent.

Thanks for throwing that back in.

Yeah, yeah.

I'm

making.

All right.

And remind everybody when your show can be heard here on WMDX.

Yeah,

I go on every Saturday and Sunday at 11 a.m.

Central time.

All right.

Yeah.

Brandy, thank you so much.

Have fun at the event again.

That's next Saturday at, uh, in Verona at 2299 Spring Rose Road, the fourth annual Urban Triage Harvest Festival.

Sounds like a great time for everybody.

Brandy,

thanks for

joining us.

Yeah.

Thank you guys for having me.

I appreciate you.

All

right.

Appreciate you too.

That's Brandy Grayson.

from Urban Triage.

Man, that sounds like a lot of fun.

Yeah,

a lot

going on.

Yeah, absolutely.

Coming up tomorrow, guess what?

We're gone.

We are out of here, but we have recorded the show through the miracle of modern

technology.

Some

repeats from the past.

We've got

some great interviews tomorrow, and also we're off on Monday, Labor Day Monday, so it'll be a long four-day weekend for John and Gordy and Dom too.

Yeah,

I'm excited.

You're going up to the Dells.

It's the Dells, it's the Dells.

You've never been to the Dells.

No, I'm an Illinois baby.

You know, I was

born in...

Well, keep an open mind when you go

up there.

Oh, no.

What's that supposed to

be?

I heard there's a lot of

mini-golf,

you

know?

You're focused on the mini-golf.

I

mean, yes, there are a number of mini-golf places up there, at least a half a dozen of them.

I would go to some of the other odd attractions if I were you.

There's like 30 water parks.

You have to be able to talk about the Dells and other people.

Go-karts.

Agreed, but there's one mini-golf place.

Yeah.

that has 90 holes.

And I want to go there.

That's insane.

That's going to take four hours.

I'm so excited.

I'm going to burst.

Why go to Noah's Ark?

Yes.

Be sure to go downtown too.

Check out all the shops

there.

Oh, yes.

Oh, definitely.

There's some real

shops there.

Go down the strip there and you'll find a lot of fun.

All right.

Anyway, hey, you know, we talked about socialism and fascism yesterday.

I looked this up.

I just wanted to kind of clarify the socialism often.

involves widespread state or collective ownership of the means of production.

While

fascism, and this is what we're doing right now, fascism features a mixed system where the state directs private businesses toward national goals with state ownership usually limited to essential services or strategic industries rather than the wholesale nationalization.

seen in some other socialist models.

So we are going into a fascist system of government.

Whether you like it or not, it's there.

And by

the way, I looked up these t-shirts that Jim Santel was telling us about

the

sandwich throwing t-shirt freedom.

It is really, truly incredible sandwich protest shirt.

I'm ordering one snack big resist bigly.

Yeah.

All good stuff.

That's going to do it for us for today and for this week, but we will talk to you with a brand new show next Tuesday.

We hope you have a great Labor Day holiday weekend.

Yeah.

Stephanie Miller is next.

Have a great day so

Kathryn Lake

long.

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