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It's John Peterson, Gordy Young in the morning here.
Good morning.
And it's a promising day, I think, in the weather forecast.
Things are looking pretty good.
And if anybody is curious, sunset tonight at 7.50, all right?
7.50.
And
sunrise is just about four minutes away.
Can't wait.
Yep.
Well, it's a little dark out there right now.
We must
have
overcast skies.
I don't know, but
I'm just guessing.
A few early morning clouds, a little bit of fog.
60 degrees.
60, yeah.
Looking for high in the mid-upper 70s.
Yeah.
Is that what your watch is saying?
Even in the WMDX official?
Weather watch?
Well, that's the only watch you're wearing, yes.
Stop wearing all the other watches that you
have.
I did.
Watch collector like what what a horrible dilemma that turned out to be for a while anyway, you know, I love collecting the Marvel universe
watches Yeah,
you have oh, yeah, and I've got some old DC watches out there and I've got a howdy-doody watch which was just wonderful I just love that thing looking at a puppet on my watch.
Yeah, but
Don't wear any of them.
All the batteries are dead in.
They're sitting in a box now, sadly.
Luckily those little cells don't leak like regular batteries
do.
Right.
Well,
I'm keeping my fingers crossed on that one.
Well, if you want another watch, I do have a Cars Watch, like from the movie Cars.
Oh, you do?
Yeah.
So if you want to add another to your collection.
No.
No.
No.
OK.
You don't.
I know, I'm done
with that.
I'm
done with that.
I have a Bart Simpson watch.
What are you doing?
Yeah.
From Fox.
I have Simpsons watches.
Yeah.
Well, this is...
I think you got
me
one.
Oh, could be.
From The
Simpsons.
Could be.
When we were at 47.
Yes.
Yeah.
That was a long time ago.
Yeah.
You know, Channel 47...
Next year in June.
They're celebrating 40 years on here.
Oh, they are
inviting you or me
Celebrate a
midnight movie
show.
Well, I'm talking with a couple of people from the early days and we're gonna try and figure out some kind of reunion.
Yeah.
Oh, that'd be good Yeah, but you remember that was that the first day that
Channel 47 went on the air, June 6th, 1986.
That's the day that you and I met.
A very, you know, big anniversary there.
So 40 years ago.
That is something.
Isn't that something?
Wow.
You know, I still have, remember when we were doing the show on WMAD and Sun Prairie?
Yeah.
We had a promotion about Get a Life.
Oh, right.
Chris
Elliott.
Chris Elliott show.
We had a promotion with that?
Yes, yes.
We had a promotion with
that.
I don't
remember that.
Uh, sadly we didn't interview
Chris
Elliott, but we gave away Chris Elliott bathrobes.
Bathrobes.
That's
right.
I still have that one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I do too.
I still have
it.
I won't get rid
of it.
No way.
That was such a great show.
Yeah.
That guy was
so lazy and I have to keep that robe.
Yeah.
And, and tiny little alarm clocks.
They were little blocks.
I don't remember a tiny handheld block and you could just set the timer and it had him.
The second hand was a him on a bike going
around and around in the face of this clock.
He rode a bike.
He.
Yeah, I remember the Terry cloth robe.
Yeah, just a white, real cheap, thin Terry cloth.
No, no, it had embroidery.
Get a life.
Get a life logo.
Yeah.
Right
on
the chest.
It was
wonderful.
Yeah.
Okay, a little bit later on, we're gonna talk with Jim Santel, attorney at law.
I always assume there are a few things that are bubbling up when it comes to legal situations in this country.
Yeah, well,
we'll talk about the Supreme Court, what is it, the shadow docket?
The shadow docket, yes.
Sounds very mysterious.
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I hear it's up for a Pulitzer.
I think so, yes.
Some really great articles there, OK.
And let's see.
What else is going on?
I don't know.
Madison Night Market.
Oh, that's right.
I knew there was something else that's going on tonight.
The Madison Night Market will be there from five to nine during part of that time.
Anyway, you know, we got to get to get better early.
So get up early in the morning.
So may not stay all the way till nine o'clock, but we'll try.
We'll try to do that.
It
should be nice
weather for the night market tonight.
And there's, John, I didn't know if you knew this, but every night market has a theme.
We were three or four months into this, and I didn't know there was a theme for every night market.
After five years, they finally told us there's a theme to this whole thing.
Well, tonight's theme is Wisconsin history.
So I think we should dig out the tricornered hats with the white powdered wigs, and get the muskets out.
It's always a party when we get the muskets out.
Last
time.
I don't know.
Target practice didn't go well.
So, Dom, do you have a powdered wig
and a tricorder hat and a musket?
I can go to like one of the Halloween stores and get one for like five bucks as soon as I leave here and then I'll have one too.
Right.
I think your costume tonight will be enough.
Are
you
gonna wear that damn thing?
The
bucky guy?
The bucky guy.
The
mascot,
yeah.
Yeah, it looks it's a onesie.
It's a full it has a badger face.
You can't even see my face, you know everything's covered so Okay, it's well.
Did you steal it?
I mean
this is something
we're gonna have to worry
about We've got a felon over here Well wear it if you dare.
Yeah, I'll wear it.
I'll wear it.
Okay.
Well, that'll be something and we'll also be debuting the new WM DX
T-shirts will have a few of those that will be given away.
That's a tonight's Madison Night Market.
I'm watching
Ice and Police throw down a civilian on the streets near the National Mall.
He says, I am not a criminal.
Right.
You know, a lot of us will probably be saying that and not too distant future us.
So,
you know, just keep that line in mind next time.
I am not a criminal.
We
all get thrown to the ground by police.
Oh my God.
Parading police in our streets.
Military.
This is crazy, right?
Out of control.
Yeah.
Okay, let's
get to it.
Well, Catherine says you guys are part of Wisconsin
history.
Okay, does he mean that in a good way or you guys are history?
Okay, would you rather have the would you rather thing going on or would you rather not do the thing today Tom?
Sounds like we're doing a thing.
Okay, let's do it
There we go
Would
you rather have an anvil drop on your head Or be born on North Sentinel Island you guys know what that is.
No, it's basically just in
inhabited place I mean it's habited but it's by you know cannibals
oh yeah
yes and you're not allowed to go there it's it's very dangerous they have like spears and everything and
yeah my
god I wouldn't recommend going there in general I would say look it up anyone that's listening look up North Sentinel Island wow very interesting all right but would you rather
choice I mean you're talking
yeah what it would
That's a horrible choice, but you can live you could live there hypothetically if you know they they take you in, you
know Okay, you know
or I will drop on your head.
Well.
I don't want an envelope That already happened when I was a kid Explains a lot.
No, I'd go with the island I guess
yeah, I think I would do the island too I would always want to go there, too It's it looks doesn't look fun, but it looks interesting to go to
okay.
All right second question Would you rather have
Okay, so a door appears at your apartment slash house, right?
A door, a random door appears.
Would you rather open it or just leave it closed and never touch it?
It just appears magically?
Yes.
It's like the, it's like Monsters, Inc.
You know when those random doors come in?
And it could be another
world.
It could be another world.
Or it could be, you know, certain death.
It could be.
Yeah.
Well, hell, I don't know what the
hell.
You would open it?
Yeah, sure.
Gordy, would you open it?
I think I would I think it would I would reason that you know the door has appeared for that reason to be open
Otherwise
why would a door just show up out of
random?
Yeah, you persuaded me.
Yeah, I think I would do it too.
It could be art Paul art Paul Schlosser world back there By the way, we got to play the theme song we
do Johnny Gordy theme
song
from our own to see him tonight.
It's gonna
I'm worried about his shirt right now.
I see that.
Yeah, okay, but yeah, Art Paul will be there.
And I guess he has an issue with you with me.
Why
doesn't have an issue with you.
You're the one that promised him some money for his song.
He did a custom made song for us.
We all want to help Art Paul, right?
Of course.
Well, sure.
He's out there
all the time.
He's not just playing the music.
He needs a little bit of an income
out there in the streets.
I agree.
Yeah.
Well, let's figure that out.
It's past the hat.
I mean, come
on.
We
have been
talking about that for at least a couple of months.
Three days.
We need to interview him, you know?
We got to bring him in for an interview, right?
Well, we've had him in for an interview
and, you know, we should have him
back.
We should have him back.
His
CD sales go through the roof every time he appears on the show.
He's got a number of CDs and some great songs really.
No,
they are really good
songs.
He's a good song.
Happy birthday.
Happy birthday to you.
Happy birthday.
Happy birthday.
Happy birthday to you.
See if you can dial that
up.
I just love that song.
The only song he does in a Liverpool
accent.
It's perfect.
It's 19 minutes past the hour.
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Jan and Gordy in the morning.
Is this a threat or is this a warning?
Jan and Gordy in the morning.
Who will be their guest?
What will they be performing?
Jan and Gordy in the morning.
Are they funny or are they boring?
Jan and Gordy in the morning.
Will you be awake?
Oh, will you be snoring?
Jan and Gordy in the morning.
The radio's on.
Are you ignoring?
There
we
are,
obviously.
Don't worry, MDX, 22.7, with Art Paul Schlosser.
And if you come to the Madison Night Market tonight, you're likely to see him
right across the street from
us.
Booth is right in front of the.
At
the beginning of the 200 block on
State Street.
Yes,
it is.
Should be a beautiful night for that.
And again, we're historical garb tonight.
Celebrating Wisconsin history night, I think something like
that.
Well, you know, we could go as Tea Party members.
Remember that?
They're the ones who wore the tri.
Cornered hats right I forgot about the tea party tea party.
Yeah, that's in last law.
Well that was Another sign of genius on the right, you know protesting
health
care for people in this country Okay, yeah that meant a lot hmm
That hurricane is getting a little closer.
Yeah, North Carolina.
A lot of people are evacuating the area.
This is still part of the vacation summer season, and
this
is cutting into their state's income.
They're saying now that
it's starting to move away from North Carolina.
The latest, so maybe that's some good news for those folks.
If you've ever been to North Carolina, you've ever been down?
I
don't think so.
No,
no,
you won't catch me there.
It's beautiful area.
It is gorgeous.
Oh, well, that's nice to know.
I'll never see it.
You know, that's kind of sad.
Well, you know, I rarely go south of the Chitter curtain.
That's true.
Yeah, let alone the Mason Dixon line.
Yeah,
when
was last time you were in Illinois?
Uh, it's been a while.
You know, I've been meaning to go down there because of your little expedition down there, checking out the pot shops.
You're, you're
a report on
that.
I know
it has really spread up here, hasn't it?
I mean, it's not legal, but everything is legal.
I don't even understand what's going on in that industry.
They're even starting to get out into the country.
I've noticed.
I've
noticed some billboards up around Sock City and Portage.
So these dispensaries are popping up everywhere now.
There's quite a few of them.
Don, we should send you up and down State Street to just count the dispensaries now.
There's probably, yeah, there's
probably at
least.
I've lost count.
I don't know.
I know an Oshkosh back when I was in college.
There
was one down every block.
I mean, there was so many.
Yeah, all over the place.
And yeah, it's every city now.
That's crazy, isn't it?
It is.
And it's not legal.
I mean,
well, it's legal.
It's legal, but
POT is not legal in the state, and they refuse to even make medical marijuana legal.
Right.
And remember, they wanted to, the small government Republicans wanted to make the Republican Party responsible for all the dispensaries.
Right?
Yes.
They didn't they didn't trust the private market to do that.
Yeah.
The invisible hand of the private market.
Now there's a there's a dispensary also now on Johnson, you know, heading out from town.
Oh, OK.
That it's near Bernie's Rock Shop.
Yes.
And it's it claims it's the only legal mushroom dispensary.
Oh.
Shop.
Yeah.
So,
Simon.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I just heard a story on that.
Apparently, RFK Jr.
is a big fan of taking acid.
Well, that explains a lot, doesn't it?
He's skeptical of vaccines, but boy, you know, pop one of those wild
mushrooms.
Sure, do some mushrooms, some LSD.
Why not?
Unbelievable
lord.
Well, they want to they want to find out if it's you know a benefit to post traumatic stress I understand all that they yeah, yeah, it's been on and off.
Well micro
dosing is the newest thing I think in that
arena.
Yeah, micro coin for him
With the micro dosing there's no psychedelic experience
I've
heard you just feel good.
That's what
I
hear
too.
You just feel.
I thought maybe you had another
insight into all of that.
No.
I don't, I don't know.
I don't know.
God, I feel like we just, there's a light bulb over my head that being
the third degree here.
Well, you know, here's the thing.
Back then, way back when marijuana was, you know, kind of popular, you know, in the early 70s.
Right.
And still very illegal.
Yeah.
Way back when, as I
recall, the big thing was the carburetors and the bongs.
You know, you really couldn't wait to get to the head shop and buy a really cool looking bong or carburetor.
Fancy glass carburetors whenever I pass by I always see those like glass.
Yeah, interesting Yeah, very
nice.
I know I would be afraid to get back into that just because of the paraphernalia that looks so cool now.
Yeah, well just keep in mind there.
It's all very expensive Those glass blown bongs and things like that.
I remember I went into one of those smoke shops and I mentioned marijuana just
in passing and they freaked out.
Did they?
Yeah, they freaked out.
Said, sir, if you, you cannot buy any of these items.
Oh, okay.
Because I, I apparently.
Tipped my hand and said I might be smoking pot and they cannot dispense this to people who smoke marijuana.
It was for tobacco only.
Okay.
And because.
Well, that was a while back.
Well, I was about three years ago.
Okay.
There it is.
Okay,
fellas, it was sounding great, but... Yeah, okay.
All right, let's hear that song and we'll be back with idiocracy.
That's coming up.
Stay
with us.
As the 21st century began, human evolution was at a turning point, a dumbing down, until humanity was incapable of solving even its most basic problems.
What an idiot.
The inner machinations of my mind are an enigma.
What?
What
the f***
is going
on around here?
Holy s***.
Idiocracy.
For the smartest guy in the
world you're pretty dumb sometimes.
Dumb all the time and that's why we feature idiocracy on this program.
WMDX.
John and Gordy in the morning.
Fantastic day 60 degrees.
I like waking up to that stuff.
Yeah it's gonna
be pretty nice all day long high near 75 this afternoon.
Maybe a couple of sprinkles here or there but
No big deal, little bit of fog out there.
Gary had my problem.
What's that?
Johnny Garty, I'm unable to find your listener poll anywhere on the app.
What do you mean, okay.
Or anywhere on wmdxradio.com.
Yeah, that's where you go, wmdxradio.
He was there, he didn't see it.
I had that problem.
I have, I guess we talked about it a little bit yesterday.
I have the, what is it, the version?
I don't know.
The Android, the cell phone version of it, it is.
It seems the mobile.
The mobile, there it is.
Mobile version.
You guys, you're horrible at it.
What, reading your mind?
Yes.
The mobile version of it on my laptop, and I wasn't able to find it until I scrolled all the way almost to the bottom.
Really?
Yeah, it was just one story.
It shouldn't work like that.
I know it should work like that.
I don't know what's happening.
But anyway, see if that helps, Gary.
Keep scrolling.
Scroll all the way to the bottom, apparently, on some sites.
Yeah, because it will be there.
Yeah.
OK.
And we'll have to put some kind of gold scrolling around it like Trump would.
Like Trump in the White House.
Yeah, so people can notice.
OK.
Make it real tacky looking, OK?
OK.
We can do that.
Yeah.
All right.
And then, uh, what do we have a few other responses here?
Uh, remember the squeeze bottle power hitters?
Now I never had one of those.
So we're talking about smoking marijuana.
Yeah.
And Doug says he micro doses the John and Gordon show.
That's the best way to take it in.
Yeah.
Just a little bits and pieces.
Um, okay.
What do we got?
We got an idiocracy.
We don't have Tim Slacker today, by the way.
Right.
Yes.
Busted
pencils.
Yeah.
He's not with
us today.
He's not with us.
Took a break.
Took a week break.
Yeah, he's taking the day off.
Taking the day off.
Well-deserved day off.
Well,
you got to prepare for school.
Well, that's it.
It's back to school
time, so
he's busy.
That's what I wanted to ask him.
What is it that we're going to do now that we don't have a Department of Education?
What are we doing?
Does anybody have access to anything anymore?
I don't know.
Any kind of funding whatsoever?
School lunches, gone, history?
I know it.
I just
keep taking the money away, yeah.
Yeah.
I think I want to get to this cut because I think it says a lot about the concern and
the work that Trump is doing in the White House, you know, to keep us safe and protect us from all sources of enemies, all right?
I
think this is one of those things where it's just, we've never played this cut.
I always try to at least document this by playing it.
So here we go, this series.
The question was, nothing unsettling about Trump's answer here?
Let's listen.
To cut, whoa, I'm sorry, cut 118.
Thanks.
I just picked this random story.
Go ahead.
Cut.
Reporting that the Russians have hacked into some computer systems that manage U.S.
federal court documents.
I wonder if you've seen this reporting and if you plan to bring it up with Putin when you see him later in the
week?
I guess I could.
Are you surprised, you know?
Are you surprised they hack in?
That's what they do.
They're good at it.
We're good at it.
We're actually better at it, but no, I have heard about it.
I've heard about
it.
Yeah, that was it.
Okay.
He's
not going to do a thing about it.
Hey, you know, everybody does it.
Yeah, that's all the big governments are known to have done that.
Hacking in.
He seems so complacent.
Yeah.
Right.
Hey, do you have that other cut that I just sent you up there?
Because we were talking about pot marijuana.
It's not legal in the state, but boy, you can get it everywhere.
Yeah.
And somebody
Texted us and told us that our friend and and in great politician Stephen Miller.
Oh said something about this recently about the hippies.
Let's check this
out
They have no one that they are sending to school in the city.
They have no jobs in the city.
They have no connections to this community at all.
But they're the ones who've been advocating for the one percent, the criminals, the killers, the rapists, the drug dealers.
And I'm glad they're here today because me, Pete, and the vice president all are going to leave here and, inspired by them, we're going to add thousands more resources to this city to get the criminals and the gang members out of here.
We're going to dismantle those networks and we're going to prove that a city
can serve for the law-abiding citizens who live there.
You're not going to let the communists destroy a great American city, let alone the nation's capital.
And let's just also address one other thing.
All these demonstrators that you've seen out here in recent days, all of these elderly white hippies, they're not
part of this thing and they never
happened.
And by the way, most of the citizens who live in Washington, DC, are black.
This is not a city that has had...
any safety for its black citizens for generations.
And President Trump is the one who is fixing that with the support of the Metropolitan Police
Department.
All right.
All right.
It's a little hard to hear.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But, you know, elderly white hippies.
Yes.
That's where we are.
That's, uh, they're there to protect the citizens from elderly white hippies.
Why not pick them as, as the enemy at this point?
It's so dangerous.
It just it
It's so wild to even think that with all these humvees and the soldiers and the occupation of DC that people are feeling safer and they can go out to dinner now.
Oh,
sure.
Sit out on the sidewalk and enjoy.
It's a parade of tanks.
The drones flying by to make sure they're eating the right things.
Yeah, I'm sure it's doing
great for the tourist industry.
Visiting all.
Wow.
DC and seeing all the sites.
Yeah, it's just impossible to even imagine this happening and it is happening in spades and all the red states are sending their National Guard there.
They don't need them.
They're just sending them there.
This is just a show.
All it is is a show.
No, it's just a show.
Performance art.
This is what it's all about.
All right.
Well, let's get to the AI chatbots, okay?
Clogging up the social media.
Yeah, what's the deal with that?
Yeah, it's a big deal AI powered bots also known as AI chatbots are virtual assistants They are computer programs designed to simulate
human conversation and perform tasks through natural language processing.
This is almost a description of Dom and what he does here.
Can I get replaced by
an
AI?
Well,
I
don't know.
These AI chatbots are now used to flood social media, giving the impression that a lot of Americans support this flood of misinformation and lies.
So, I mean, I have a cut here.
This is cut 119, let's say, let's hear.
It's pro-democracies mega-cult slayer.
And he's out there definitely taking shots at the mega.
And this is an interesting comment.
Let's see.
Tearing through an ex-platform, drowning in 470 million bot accounts that are running reality like a chainsaw through wet paper.
And the network reads like a robes gallery.
Cap turd, 89%.
Benny Johnson, 85%.
Laura Loomer, 85%.
Real Alex Jones, 82%.
All stitched together by retweet chains and reply overlaps.
The GNN pegs at 87% bot length.
Now, random trolling, its automation, its scale, lining up perfectly with NBC and Futurism's reporting on 400-plus AI-driven bots embedded in the Trump Epstein disinfo nexus.
There you go.
So that's kind of a summary of what you can expect out there.
It seems like they're being promoted an awful lot.
You get a lot of that in X and other social media accounts, but it's actually just chat box repeating something and amplifying the message.
Rolling it out there again.
Now here's one thoughtful response.
Catered has descended into spam level nonsensical one-line tweets.
one of the chat boxes and an interesting influencer.
He said, I blocked this account a while ago when it began looking like a bot.
Benny Johnson has become like spam as well.
He wouldn't survive without Russian support.
Now he got like a half million dollars.
Do you remember the influencers, the right wing, podcasters were getting paid by Russian television?
you know, repeat a lot of their programming, a lot of their points.
So they got caught and I didn't see a lot of people on the right complain about that.
You would think
they would.
You know say something
something at 60 minutes where they say, you know Kamala they cut something out, you know But but when you have a half million dollar Podcaster paid by Russia to repeat Russian lines and Russian points of view and nothing happens on the right No one says anything at all.
We didn't hear from CJ.
We didn't
hear from my mega friend in Milwaukee
No,
sir,
they
didn't mind they didn't care boy you leave something out you
edit something differently on 60 minutes and man oh man the world is falling apart
all right
okay now this is this might be good news for some people uh apparently software is now in the verge of extinction what growing worries that artificial intelligence tools could soon disrupt the world's biggest software businesses are sparking a sell-off across the sector uh 30 30 percent plunge
As a matter of fact, fears are growing that incumbent software makers may be at risk of heightened competition.
If AI tools now allow applications to be made more quickly and at much lower cost, investors fear that AI is going to eat software for lunch and that market is going to fall apart.
So there you go.
We might not see as much software
out there anymore.
Just a lot
of AI is replacing everything.
You know, I've noticed that I've used
I've used Google in my searches and they use AI now.
And so it comes up with all these different points and facts.
And it's interesting because it really saves me a lot of time.
I put something in it and it gives me three or four bullet points.
And I know that they're true.
I mean, you
really
have to research a lot of this stuff to make sure it's true.
But they're actually things that I know about already.
And that's my fact checking.
And it's always pretty accurate.
It's good to know.
Yeah, I like that stuff.
Okay, do we have time for anything else?
No,
we don't.
We have, but we do have time for me to tell you about this.
Oh,
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There's an indoor, well, there's an outdoor playground with the kids and I believe we'll have a food truck or two.
Yes.
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A few people will show up.
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It's gonna be great.
It's gonna
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The X, John and Gordy in the morning, little... Devo?
Well, little Devo in the morning doesn't hurt, does it?
I watched a documentary on Devo last night, and it was a lot of fun to watch.
I just stayed up late.
Where
did you find
it?
I just, I don't know, I can't remember whether it's Hulu or Netflix.
It was just one of the selections and choices, and I had to watch it.
They were incredibly creative.
We're an artsy group.
Yeah, very talented.
Yeah.
And it was their movements on stage that they just loved.
It was just perfect.
Well, and their costumes.
Yeah.
The flower pots on their head, right?
Yes.
And then they had the fake hair, which was designed after John Fitzgerald Kennedy.
JFK.
That's what I'm trying
to
say.
But it was like plastic.
I mean, it was obviously plastic hair.
It was very shiny plastic hair.
Yes.
And then Reagan was elected and everybody
thought
that their hair was actually Reagan's hair.
Right.
They said, nope, nope, nope, nope.
JFK.
JFK.
That's it.
OK.
It is 6.54, kind of cloudy this morning.
And.
Looks like we'll see a good deal of sunshine later today highs in the mid 70s, but still some early morning clouds currently 60 degrees Okay,
all right.
Well, let's get Let's talk about Greenland.
Can we talk about Greenland?
Greenland you have something.
Did you know I was
just gonna mention Jim Santel is gonna join
us
in our next hour.
All right
attorney at law.
Yeah, it looks like Greenland.
What's going on there takeover of Greenland?
That idea hit a snag here.
Oh, no.
I thought it was a whole done deal.
Well, Trump is currently working on his despotic authoritarian takeover of the U.S.
So he doesn't really have time for Greenland at this point.
Too bad for Greenland.
Yeah.
Oh, I know.
But, you know, they were looking forward to it.
I'm sure.
Charlie Kirk is out there, you know, picking up the mantle on this thing and he's still talking about it.
So let's listen to Charlie.
This is cut 131.
You see he wants to see he wants to her medically seal the entire Western Hemisphere and part of this though the Greenland component
Not just the oil, not just the rubies, not just the gold, not just the rare earth minerals.
It's location.
If you are really worried about Russia and if you want to be able to have hemispheric dominance also against China, you know, we have a major air base in Greenland already.
I think it's a space force base and an air force base.
The move needs to be allow the people of Greenland to first use personal autonomy and agency
to disconnect from their Danish masters.
Whatever process it is, we want to engage in popular solvers.
And then allow Greenland the opportunity to be part of the United States of America no different than either Puerto Rico or Guam.
And the argument needs to be made to the people of Greenland.
You will be wealthier, you'll be richer, and you will be protected.
Right.
Okay.
You know, I'm sure they're watching what's going on in D.C.
and thinking, yeah, we want to be a part of the United States at this point, don't we?
Wouldn't that be great?
That's not a big promotional item.
Oh, man.
Wow.
What
a... I know.
It's just going crazy.
I know.
Just beyond... Right?
I can't...
You know, it just leaves you speechless.
I
just, I can't believe what's
happening.
They don't think that anybody is watching what's going on in the US, right?
You know, the military takeover of every city in this country.
The takeover of the government.
You know, now, Chuck Grassley is the enemy of Trump.
Because Chuck Grassley is holding up some of the nominations that Trump wants to put in place in judgeships and he's not allowing it in the Senate because Trump is threatening green energy.
He, Chuck is out there, you know, I mean.
The whole Midwest is dependent on green energy.
We've got a lot of wind farms.
It's a great wind farm country down there.
Chuck is out there fighting for green energy.
He's going to hold up the nominations until they go back on repealing the rebates and the help.
and the money going to green energy jobs.
Like biofuels and things like that, huh?
Yes.
Wow.
Well, good for Chuck Grassley
for
finally putting his foot down on stuff.
What the heck?
How long did it take?
Wow.
Way too long.
All right.
Now, I thought this was really interesting.
I've been holding on to this for a while.
It's from the on Wisconsin magazine that we
still
get because my kids went to the UW.
This is something right here.
Don't get it.
The UW has deployed four state of the art AI
Recycling assistance.
Wait, you know what?
Detroit?
No,
the UW has deployed
four
state-of-the-art AI recycling assistants.
What are recycling assistants?
They are garbage cans.
The picture here shows four of them.
They're all across the campus, dubbed
Oscars.
I don't know
why they're
dubbed Oscars.
The devices combine waste bins with interactive digital displays designed to make waste sorting an engaging and educational experience.
And somewhere, Sesame Street's Oscar, the Grouch, is smiling.
Now, I gotta say that
these
are...
These are waste containers, and there's a monitor to help you figure out where you're going to throw your garbage, and it's an educational experience all at the same time.
You never knew that throwing something away could be so interesting.
So much fun.
Does it have a picture of the thing?
It does.
Oh, it's true.
Yeah, it's just not very exciting.
It's just, you know, four garbage containers with a monitor above it.
With
a big monitor above to guide you through the process.
OK.
All right.
Well, that showbiz.
659.
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And you know, Jim Santel coming up in our seven o'clock hour on John and Gordy in the morning, live from downtown Madison, runoff State Street, WMDS.
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It's John Peterson, Gordy Young, along with Dominic Lee, our producer, and things are still looking cloudy in downtown Madison.
Yeah.
State Street here at 60 degrees.
Hopefully we'll see some sunshine in the mix and highs in the mid-70s today.
Yeah, I didn't bring this up, but a few days ago I went and saw the Fantastic Four.
Oh, the new movie.
Yeah, yeah.
have been the previous versions of the Fantastic Four, and they haven't been spectacular or fantastic for that matter.
But this one finally hit the mark for me.
This is very much like reading the old Fantastic Four comics in the mid-60s, which I just sold, by the way.
It was a fun movie.
It's done in a retro style.
You know, the way we visualized the future would be someday.
The rocket ships look.
really cool you know their automobiles look really cool the way we wish they'd looked yeah back then but anyways it was a fun movie really well done I thought my kids were a little less overwhelmed by it I thought it was a good movie they thought well it could be a little more exciting
We saw it in one of the theaters at the Marcus Theater, and I have to tell you this.
This is really surreal, and I think I was on an acid trip at the time, but I wasn't sure.
Why do you say that?
They have the previews, right?
Sure.
After the previews, Greg Marcus comes on.
He's the president and chief executive officer of the Marcus Corporation.
Sure.
And he always introduces, you know,
everyone
to the theater and to the next movie.
And this time he was with Spital Tap.
He was with each member of Spinal Tap.
They were out there.
Really?
Greg Marcus is standing between these old rocksters.
No
kidding.
I'm
telling you, man,
it
was very, very surreal looking.
And they had this bit going.
It was really funny the way these guys would roll off of Greg Marcus's comments.
Really?
Wow.
Well, Spinal Tap, the new movie, at the beginning and the end, what is it?
I can't remember the name of it.
That's coming out any day.
Yeah, right?
Sometime soon.
Yeah.
It's wild.
But seeing Greg Marcus.
Now I want to go see a movie because I want to see that.
Yeah, it's supposed to come out September 12th.
That's the release date for Spinal Tap.
The
end continues.
Yes.
Okay.
I mean, that is a
classic
piece of film.
Wow.
Greg saved that one.
You know, I'm trying to get Greg Marcus to be a guest on Pete Schwab, but we're going to be filling in for Pete next Monday and Tuesday.
That's right.
Yeah, we've got this time.
It's really going to happen.
We were told
earlier this week.
Well, there was a mix up on the dates, but yes, we're going to be there Monday and Tuesday.
Yeah, we'll be doing the morning show and then the evening show.
for two days.
Yeah, don't expect much the next morning.
No, that's not true.
That's not
true.
Okay.
But
yeah, we're trying to get Greg Marcus to be a guest on this show because he has done so much for movies in the state and in the Midwest actually.
There's
got theaters all over.
And we've
got, we've got some great guests lined up for Monday and Tuesday.
We have a UFO expert.
We've talked to him before, Greg Sisko.
Yes.
And you know, there's this object coming in through our solar system.
It's like three and a half miles.
Longer and they nobody knows what it is and they've been tracking it for quite some time and it doesn't It doesn't look like any other space object out there.
So we're gonna go a wedge.
Yeah, it's it's it's odd Whatever it is.
So they're gonna talk.
He's gonna talk about that and then there's some other some other thing going on in UFO land
and
we've
got a guest Talking about ghosts.
Yeah, love that love that top.
Yeah Well, you're gonna
Tell your story about when you saw a ghost when you were a kid.
Frightened you and changed your life.
It
did, changed my life completely.
Maybe why you are the way you are, but yeah, I don't know.
So we've got those.
I'm a
believer is another
way of
describing it.
I
believe that
stuff.
We'll just get into some of the other topics here because I know we have Jim Centell at 735, so stay here for that.
Smithsonian Whitewashing.
Oh boy.
Yeah.
I've got a cut here that I think you should be interested in.
It's from Douglas Brinkley.
You're familiar with him?
Yes.
He's the historian and professor of history at Rice University.
All right.
And he says, yeah, they're going to whitewash history.
The president complained that they currently focus too much on how bad slavery was.
Well, you think?
Okay.
And lack.
optimism about the country's achievements.
You know, the thing here is, when you look at all these events of history, of the United States, how we came out of those events is, I think, the achievement, isn't it?
Okay, right?
I mean, we
solved the problem of slavery.
Had all these great changes in the country that took place and they are marked there in the Smithsonian
all the museums Yes,
and these are accomplishments of the United States.
These are achievements But but for some reason because it doesn't say this is an achievement or isn't some kind of you know television show whatever Trump has not noticed that so anyway, this is Douglas Brinkley talking about all of this.
Let's check it out
at Rice University, Douglas Brinkley.
Doug, you know, I haven't been to the Smithsonian recently, so I'm not quite sure what it's like in there, what the exhibits are like.
Have you been in the past couple years?
Yes, I'm there all the time.
And in fact, you know, I'm afraid what President Trump's trying to do is whitewash history.
He's really aiming to undo slavery.
He doesn't want us to follow the timeline of our country.
And that happened.
If you go to Smithsonian and look at black American history, you'll see things that how do you object?
to, you know, Chuck Berry's Red Cadillac or Harriet Tubman's hymn book or, you know, Romaine Bearden, The Great Painters, you know, works on the Great Migration.
I don't know what the beef is, except there seems to be a not liking of true black history.
And it seems to be aimed at the Biden and Obama administrations to the degree that Joe Biden had signed an executive order saving as a national monument, Springfield, Illinois, where you had the
of the lynching and the riot of 1908 or.
putting a spotlight on Tulsa riot of 1921, just the decimation of the black community there, or dealing with lynchings that took place in the south of black people.
It seems to me President Trump wants to whitewash all of that in some kind of patriotic fervor as he bangs his drum marching to America 250 on July 4th.
I wonder when Donald Trump talks about not having any celebration of success.
in that statement saying
the
Smithsonian doesn't celebrate anything other than the bad stuff.
Do you get that sense when you go there?
Is there a celebration of the successes of this country?
Oh, it's a monument really towards black entrepreneurship and black greatness.
I mean, you study and look at Muhammad Ali, he was the greatest.
And there he is at the Smithsonian.
You take a look at, you know, the story of a newspaper like the Chicago Defender that was able to advertise what was going on, not just in Chicago, but around American race relations and promote the great singers of, say, Bronzeville, Chicago, South Side, people like
Sam Cook, Nat King Cole, Quincy Jones, Diana Washington.
The list is long.
I'm a Hala Jackson.
So that's what they're doing.
It's largely celebratory, but you can't just skip the slavery part of it because it's painful.
They do a TikTok timeline.
You walk through on the first floor and understand how black American history has had a different variation than white American history and it's educational and it's very best.
And by the way, President Trump should go to some.
He should go visit incredible civil rights museums in cities like Memphis and Birmingham, Montgomery.
Everybody's come to grips with this.
What President Trump's suggesting is some retro, go back to a kind of a time of segregation thinking.
And that's not, we're too advanced for that.
And it's not helpful, and particularly not doing it like that on Truth Social, instead of having an honest dialogue with the good professional.
Curators and in the director of the Smithsonian in a in an honest way if you want to upgrade certain aspects of black history Tuskegee Airmen or Buffalo soldiers go for it You're president it's America 250 but you don't have to be as demeaning as he is because it makes all of America look bad
Yeah, why it makes me want to go now.
I know I know where they completely change it.
It was kind of interesting to
we
brought up the African-American Museum
and
that is something that
Uh, we talked about yesterday.
Right.
Yeah.
Losing some funding too.
Yes.
Right?
Yeah.
No, it's uh, Smithsonian is a wonderful place.
And uh, it's a shame to see it have to go through this.
It's really, it really is.
This is something that we shouldn't have to experience.
It seems like, it seems like Trump just can't get his hands off of anything at all.
He just can't.
stop from meddling,
just
taking
over.
Micromanaging.
Making everything different in his image, which is really sick.
But I don't know.
Okay.
Well, we talked over, it was Mike McCabe,
wasn't it?
Mike McCabe was talking
about
this.
He actually brought up
the
American American Museum.
Yes.
Yeah.
So, I mean, it was almost hearing exactly what he was describing.
Exactly.
From Douglas Brinkley, the professor at Rice University, just
just laid it out there for us.
Now I've got something that my sons, they're Gen Zers, and they saw me recording this and they said, oh yeah, that's cat.
It's cat abu.
Now that's short for her longer name, Abu Azalala, or something like that.
No
one can really say it, so they just call her Cat Abu, and she's an influencer in a podcaster.
And she goes after James Carville on Pierce Morgan's show, and she said, it's time for the Dems to throw out the outdated old playbook.
The old
senior
hippies out there, right?
So let's check out this little cut of Cat Abu.
I think
part of the reason we're in this mess is because of Democrats like James Carville that have been pushing an old playbook that is outdated.
And I was really interested to hear Mr. Carville's names that he mentioned and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who is packing stadiums in red states, by the way.
Like, regardless of what you think about her, that should be something that Democrats
would want to latch onto, that she didn't even pop up in those names is kind of ludicrous to me.
And it's time for Democrats to recognize that the old playbook is thrown out the window.
We need people in power that understand the right, that also understand messaging, and they're not ashamed of their views.
There you
go.
Right.
Yeah, I mean we really need fresh blood in the Democratic party.
I am so tired of this You know the interviews of some of these the old politicians out there still throwing their two cents and it's fine I guess okay, but
I don't
want to really hear your plans for the future I want new people in there.
Yeah new blood about time boy
We really need it.
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19 minutes past the hour.
We'll come back with Check of the Weather with Brittany Merleau next on WMDX.
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Text us and voice notice as well and just call up the show and throw your two cents in.
Why don't we go to Kurt right now and hear what Kurt has to say.
Kurt's on the phone.
Good morning, Kurt.
Good morning, guys.
I'll be quick.
When Arby has him on as a guest, I cringe.
And if you actually pay attention,
to car abilities talking, you think you're instantly in a Saturday night live
sketch.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I agree with you.
It's
sometimes it's,
yeah, I know it.
I don't want to hear his point of view.
Uh, yeah.
All right.
Appreciate it.
And your texts as well.
Yeah.
Good by the way, Curt mentioned that there's 100,000 photographs at the museum, not to mention databases.
What?
Trump is forcing Google to delete their databases.
Talk about them Smithsonian.
This is
an
ongoing temper tantrum of the orange blob and I appreciate that.
Curt is so true.
Okay.
All
right.
Let's check weather now with our WMDX meteorologist, Brittany Merlo.
Good morning, Brittany.
How are you?
Good morning, guys.
How's it going over there?
Oh,
good.
You know, the WMDX weather window can only do so much.
We
need the details.
We need to dig deep into this.
Tell us what's
going on in the weather.
The window is pretty accurate.
It's hard to see the future through it.
So we're going to see what we can see.
But I see sunshine, a lot of it coming through later today.
And just another comfortable day, 78 degrees, probably hitting for highs.
Or patchy fog again tonight.
It's fog season.
It is the season, I suppose.
And then tomorrow, still staying sunny, nice and summery, highs in those low 80s, high pressure system still in place.
And then we've got a cold front that is going to be marching through the state.
So a lot of us are going to be cloudy tomorrow.
Eventually you'll get there.
And then by Saturday morning, maybe a few sprinkles in the forecast, but really nothing too crazy at the moment.
But it does drop our temperatures.
It will get breezy.
It's going to feel like that, you know, those fall cold, crisp breeze.
That's what's going to be happening.
Great.
Both.
Saturday, Sunday, even into Monday, dropping temperatures to the mid-70s on Saturday, and then my favorite part is 60s.
On Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday.
The
coolest day.
Yeah,
the coolest day is going to be on Monday mid sixties.
We're looking at for highs.
Nice.
That is so refreshing.
So nice.
You know, we have gone through the hottest.
Well, really humid too.
And just a lot of uncomfortable all this.
And now we're getting the cool weather back again.
Boy, we we welcome it.
Welcome it.
Yeah, it's still
cloudy here in downtown Madison right now and still I guess some patchy fog here and there.
But
it'll brighten up overcast at the moment.
Yeah.
I know.
And spog in places
too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I know we talked about the WMDX weather window, but you know, it's never wrong.
As you mentioned, and it doesn't require batteries.
There's no downtime.
True.
It's new and improved by the way.
Of
course it
is.
Warping has been taken care of.
How's the maintenance?
How often do you have to replace it?
Really, you don't have to.
There's no fading.
Uh, it works right out of the box.
Uh, you know, it features the exclusive John and Gordy touch and feel hot or cold temperature surface.
Yeah.
Which changes with the weather.
Last time I heard about it.
So we're
trying to market a little bit.
Yeah.
And we came out with a deluxe version with the extra rugged tempered glass, uh, for those on the go.
Okay.
Yeah, available soon at our website.
At the store.
Where are you coming up with this stuff?
Yeah.
We're workshopping it still.
Yeah.
We've got a few bugs here.
Does it let bugs in?
Well, that's
it.
We've got to work on that.
All right.
Well,
thanks
for
putting up with the weather window ad that I just mentioned.
Brittany, thank you so much.
It's my only ad lib
here on the show.
That's Brittany Merlot, our WMDX chief meteorologist.
All
right.
We have Jim Santel coming up shortly.
We do.
He's up to speed on what's happening legally.
Alright, then in the various courts throughout the land.
Let's hear about some
dumb people here, okay?
I've got cut 163.
I really want to get into this.
This is from the mini philosophy.
It puts out stuff all the time.
This, I thought was interesting, 163.
Let's listen.
Okay.
About 25 years ago, the psychologist David Dunning and Justin Kruger ran a series of experiments to reveal something strange.
People who know the least often have the most confidence in their abilities.
This has come to be known as the Dunning-Kruger effect.
In short, if you're incompetent, you lack the skills you need to recognise your own competence.
And so you overestimate your abilities.
You think you're great when you're not.
But what's less commonly known is the opposites known as the reverse Dunning-Kruger effect.
This is when you become truly competent, it's when you research, you study and you put in the hard hours and you become acutely aware of how little you know.
Socrates was said to be the wisest man in Greece because he recognised just how little he knew.
If you speak to any expert or professor in their field, you'll notice how nuanced and uncertain their language is, whereas those who know very little are often very confident in what they say.
You see this every day in online debates where the loudest voices are often the least informed and people with real knowledge hedge their statements, they qualify their terms and admit uncertainty.
Bertrand Russell once said that the trouble with the world is that the stupid are so cocksure and the intelligent are so full of doubt.
The danger is that modern society risks rewarding confidence rather than competence.
We mistake the loudest voices for the best voices.
But of course, confidence is not competence.
And if somebody is walking confidently and loudly towards a cliff's edge, it's better to follow somebody who knows where they're going.
There you go.
Great stuff,
isn't
it?
Yeah.
Who was that again?
That's a mini philosophy.
Post stuff every once in a while, and I thought they kind of
hit the mark for Trump.
Yeah, absolutely.
It's 29 minutes past the hour.
We're going to check in with the Midwest Food and Farm Report.
And when we come back, Attorney Jim Santel will join us, taking your calls and questions, too, if you want to get in on it.
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Coming back with more of John and Gordy after
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Bit.
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This is John and Gordy Overlooking State Street a block away from the Capitol on a beautiful morning.
I mean it's a little overcast, but you know, it's gonna be a great day today We just heard from Brittany Merleau on that.
Mm-hmm and a great weekend coming up cool temperatures again
Autumn is sliding in slowly.
Yeah, and it's going to be beautiful tonight, too, for the Madison Night Market.
And we'll be in our booth right across the streets in front of the Overture.
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In fact,
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And you can find out more there.
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Not only that, but the
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I didn't know that.
Nobody told me, led by your own Dominic Lee.
John was looking at me the entire time, and I knew he was going to say something like that.
Well, great.
Have fun.
Can't wait for
that.
Don't expect it.
Oh, let's let's welcome in attorney Jim Santel to our proceedings here this morning.
Good morning,
Jim.
How are you, John Gordy?
Good to be with you.
I've checked my calendar.
I'm not line dancing tonight.
Although if my calendar opens up, you never know, you wouldn't want to see that.
But you are possibly coming to our listener appreciation party.
That's
possible.
Okay.
Absolutely.
It is on my calendar.
And once again,
Again, I'll look forward to badly handling the brats and the hot dogs and getting the potato salad and the coleslaw ready to go for everybody.
Well, yeah, we'll have a couple of food trucker too there, and maybe you can help out
with
them, but yeah, that's
happening.
You don't want lawyers coming anywhere near public food.
Really?
That's okay.
That's what I've heard.
No attorneys near
food.
Okay.
Well, there are
always threatening a lawsuit if the food isn't good.
It's so intimidating.
Well, let's talk about
the Manhattan federal judge again blocking the request to release the grand jury transcripts.
This is a common thing now, and I guess as we all know, grand jury transcripts aren't usually released to the public.
That's exactly right.
This is actually the third judge if your listeners are thinking wait, haven't we heard this before the answers?
Yes, you have twice before the government in various investigations South, Florida other places have asked judges federal judges and remember the grand jury is a court system.
It's not a Department of Justice entity.
They've asked the
federal trial judges to release these grand jury transcripts.
You got it just right.
I know all your listeners know.
I know Dom knows.
Rule six, the federal rule is a criminal procedure.
We know the release of grand jury information.
We got to have a very good reason for doing it.
Some investigation.
You're doing something else.
And just because America is fascinated by all this and that there are those people who think that QAnon is somehow going to be revealed in this.
That's not a sufficient basis to overcome grand jury secrecy.
Judge pretty much lets the government have it once again and says that there are no special circumstances.
He says, interestingly, here's what he's sending off to the world.
He says the transcript, which apparently is about 17 pages or 70 pages, so hails in comparison.
to the investigation information materials in the hands of the Department of Justice.
Wow.
That's basically saying not here.
Look at 950 Pennsylvania Avenue.
That's Pam Bondi's office.
Go and talk to her if you want to see things.
That's the judge sending America.
back to the Department of Justice.
And once again, Donald Trump and Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche, maybe not Donald Trump, but all these people should know better, you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong.
And beyond that, grand jury transcripts are not going, if there's anything to reveal here, doubt there is candidly, but if there's anything to reveal, it's not going to be in grand from the very grand jury transcripts and very start when the president said, I'm directing Pam Bondi to release all that.
Maybe somebody whispered in his ear and said, Mr. President, that's not where anything interesting is going to be.
Again, another attempt by him to send the shiny object down the street.
So we all scamper after it only, only to find that there's no there there.
This is just the latest story.
Yeah, how is Pam Bond going to respond to something like this now that he actually threw it into her court?
And
now you've got people on Capitol Hill, you've got some of these top Republicans saying that it is tomorrow, tomorrow morning, tomorrow afternoon, when the Department of Justice is going to release all these materials.
I've been found in your reporting that she has said that, but the expectation tomorrow is, and again, I'm sure all the conspirators out there and the people are coming up with wild theories about how this is going to reveal all kinds of things about America, which it won't.
just waiting now with bated breath.
If it doesn't happen tomorrow, it makes it all the worse, right?
We just can't get rid of this, this tragic, horrific story.
And again, it's because Donald Trump has made it that.
Thank you once again, Mr. President.
Yeah.
Well, Congress wants to see everything from this, the entire Epstein files and and unredacted, right?
They wanted everything so they can tell
what's going on instead of getting redacted files.
This reminds me of Nixon, you know, releasing the Watergate tapes, but they were edited that 18 minute gap.
And then, you know, he released the transcripts and those had all kinds of redactions to it.
So, you know, it seems like we're going down this road again many years
later.
And if that is what happens here, you know, again, we're going to go down this road again.
If that is what happens and likely.
Appropriately, any good government, huh?
I don't know if the Department of Justice falls in that category these days, but any good officials there would, in fact, would do this.
They would redact the names identifying information for victims.
There could be some marginal security interests out there we don't know.
But as soon as that's done, as soon as they're ending those black marks or pages redacted, you know once again that that's because
We have not yet not, and I believe this, but the mantra will be, see, we still don't have everything.
We're demanding the release of everything.
Nothing wrong with Congress in camera without releasing this, seeing everything as long as they don't turn around and speak to CNN or Fox News and say, this is what I've got.
They can look at this as long as the privacy interests are contained there and there's no disclosure.
But then again, at some point, Congress becomes responsible then for the possession and the privacy and the status of all these documents.
Oh my goodness, when is this going to end, right?
Yeah.
All right.
Well,
why don't
we get to the Cosplay Colombo, the Department of Justice's Ed Martin.
Tell us, explain this one.
My God.
Again,
your listeners are probably thinking, wait, Ed Martin, I've heard that name before too.
And yes, he was the, for a brief time, he was the acting U.S.
Attorney in the District of Columbia.
didn't go well for him, and eventually he had to withdraw the nomination there the president did.
So they brought him kind of across the street of main justice.
So when you fail in one Senate appointment, in one presidential appointment, what you do is you get a high level job inside the Department of Justice that apparently doesn't need Senate confirmation.
So he's been in charge of this group that's trying to figure out how the Department of Justice has been weaponized, remember this, against Republicans.
And so he's in charge of that group.
In that connection, he and his office, which again, is an office I do not recognize at all, part of the mantra of this administration as well.
He is now pursuing various people, including Adam Schiff in California and LaTisha James, who again, listeners will recall, she is the attorney general.
state of New York.
She is the one who got that hundreds of millions of dollars civil judgment against him for fraud.
She's been, she's shut down all kinds of his operations.
She has been one of his principal litigation adversaries.
So now it's time for Ed Martin to come in on behalf of the president and go after the president's adversaries, including Leticia James.
He shows up, he shows up in this comical
way in front of her home, apparently, or a townhouse in Manhattan, I think it is.
And there's this exchange.
And again, so many things wrong with that in terms of policy and practice.
You don't have leadership doing investigations.
Reason why Todd Blanche never should have spoken to Ghislaine Maxwell.
He's showing what is the point of standing there other than to, again, just get the attention of the media in an embarrassing way.
The back news backstory on this is that apparently this may have even been too much for Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche who said, Ed, what are you doing?
Are you in Manhattan running around in front of Letitia James?
How's you stalking Letitia James?
No, come back to Washington.
If you want to open up the file, investigate that.
Again, there's no there there, but this is what we do now.
This is Donald Trump's retribution.
Let's all say it together, as he said in the campaign.
I'm going to go after the people who are going after me.
Here we have it with a capital R.
Well, you know, it's so funny.
He wore the trench coat, you know, the
Colombo trench coat.
He's
outside walking around.
He's with some other guy.
I don't know who it is who wanted to find out if, uh, if they call them, uh, stoops, uh, the stairways up to their apartments.
Are
those stoops?
Then they call them stoops
here.
I never grew up.
I never saw stoops, but is that a stoop?
Yeah.
That was an amazing conversation.
If that's the level of the investigation, how we describe cement and stone when it comes to Manhattan townhouses, you know this isn't going to go well.
Again, the only saving grace is they're so wildly incompetent that they will never be able to get anything done.
But again, I assume it's relatively warm in summer in Manhattan.
You're showing up in a trench coat.
to ascend what kind of a signal?
Well, yeah, you're invoking Colombo.
Of course, repeatedly said, if I'm old enough to remember, I'm confused about that.
Just one thing bothers me about that, right?
And so if Ed Martin is following those footsteps, don't look for anything serious to come out of this.
But for the fact, once again, here's a serious point, my friends, and that is this.
We've always said the prosecution isn't the point.
The investigation is the punishment, right?
You put anybody through these hoops, they've got to produce documents, they've got to provide information, the investigation of all these people, including people who cannot afford it with lawyers.
That's the punishment.
And that's what Donald Trump and his minions do these days.
On behalf, apparently, of the people of the United States of America, really, Mr. President, really, I'm Madam Attorney General, an abuse, absolutely an abuse of the Department of Justice.
Well, in the old days, people just walked around in suits.
and
did their business when
they worked for government.
Now it's cosplay for everybody, you know?
I mean, everybody's dressing up like something, their idea of what that department should look like.
Right, Pam Bondi?
We have Kristi Noel.
Caroline Labott.
Yeah, yeah.
It's
unbelievable what's going on with this administration.
What a bunch of incompetence.
All right.
Talking with attorney Jim Santel.
And what about Jim?
Anything from the Supreme Court this week, or are they taking a break?
Is the
shadow
docket turned
off for the time being?
Yes, we'd like to take just a few days and not hear from the Supreme Court.
I never thought we'd be saying that, but it's nice when they're not grabbing the news items, headlines rather.
They don't appear to be in that category.
But interestingly, what we've got is this is the season
when justices go out to these judicial conferences.
And our, our justice, her name is Amy Cooney, Barry Cheese from the Seventh Circuit, just visiting in Chicago this past week.
That's a very interesting thing to say about the judiciary, obviously defending the role of the Supreme
Court.
Significantly, you know, she again, she appears in front of this is not, it's not a non-public event, but it's basically lawyers and judges getting together and conferencing in Chicago.
They do that once a year.
It's a seven circuit judicial conference.
And of course, the reason
her presence is so significant is she is the one who wrote this major decision at the end of this term once again giving Donald Trump pretty much what he wanted on the national injunctions and so lots of attention there will be talking about it more on Saturday but you've got other justices including Elena Kagan going out to California and talking about how bad it is that the
the shadow dock and continues to show
up.
All right, we're going to talk about Texas redistricting
in just a few moments.
Stay with us.
We'll have more with Jim Santel on John and Gordy in the morning after this.
WMDX,
John and Gordy.
It is 752, back with Jim Santel for a couple of more minutes.
Talking law.
Yeah.
What's your favorite theme song for law shows?
Jim, we just heard Perry Mason there.
Yeah, it's it's hard.
You've played it already.
It's hard to get get beyond that.
That in the name Dick Wolf pops off the end of all those law and order shows as the boom boom, right?
And right.
It's just I don't know what that means exactly.
I don't know that's music necessarily, but
it does grab your attention.
You should bring a little sound box with that on it.
You know, there you go.
Every time you make a point.
Yeah.
Right.
Everywhere I go
on the street, people approach me and before I talk to them, I play some theme
music.
So, yeah.
Got to work on
that.
Yeah.
I'm sure the technology is there.
Might as well use it.
Let's take a look at the redistricting stuff.
You know, I worked with the census at one time and they call it the decennial.
And that means 10 years.
So if you go five years, it's not decennial anymore, and you really can't redistrict at that point either.
So I don't know why this is so confusing to some people in the government, but they can't do this.
They shouldn't be able to do this, right,
Jim?
should not because, again, because of your good work with the census, what do we know?
Again, it doesn't always come out timely.
There's always challenges.
But we take a look at America.
It's in the Constitution, believe it or not.
James Madison wrote it in, as you know, got to count people in America every 10 years.
And among other good reasons that we're doing that is it enables us to draw lines for Congress, right?
And even internal to states enables you to tell where your population is.
And
draw lines based upon well, and that's the point.
What do you base it on?
And typically it's been things like, well, I've got a river here, a mountain there, maybe some major metropolitan areas, but you don't do this gerrymandering, which comes, believe it or not, out of a founding father named Eldridge Gary, way too much information there.
But the bottom line is that we've got it happening again in Texas.
And the reason for doing it in this five year period and not the 10 year period is because Donald Trump
I got out of Sharpie, apparently, once again, and said, hey, let's take a look at some of those maps.
We'll figure out a way to redistribute some population and we'll also probably get rid of some Democrats along the way, probably resulting in five, count him, five new seats in the House of Representatives based upon the
political composition of these new districts.
And it's causing, again, nationwide impact because people are saying, gosh, this is just the most brazen form of politicization of what should be a non-political process.
You're effectively disenfranchising people by doing it.
Democrats have done it as well.
Just to be very clear on this, an equal opportunity thing to do.
It has passed the House.
in the Texas legislature in Austin.
Apparently today, maybe tomorrow, the Senate will pass it as well.
Five redrawn districts, five redrawn areas there.
And Greg Abbott, the governor has promised he's going to sign it.
And then we got him with the election coming up November of next year with all these different districts there.
And basically removing, if you will, by virtue of what they've done, major congresspeople like Al Green, others out there who will have to figure out where they land
and all of
this
based
upon where they live.
And
what do you think about Governor Gavin Newsom's response to that and trying to do the same kind of thing in California?
Well, they passed that bill.
Well,
it's
a little bit more complicated there and right.
He is turning back and saying, you know what?
We've got five.
I can meet your five if we're playing poker.
I can meet your five and raise you, maybe one or two.
The change there, the difference in California is that you do have
While refreshing is this, you've got an independent commission that's drawn these lines.
Not to say it's perfect, not to say it's some partisan, but you've got by design.
people are not going to be political.
And so in order to do this, you've got to basically remove that nonpartisan status.
Again, the legislature doing that and saying, let's go to the people and have them endorse this.
There's a bit of a campaign underway now about whether or not this referendum there in California will pass, presumably it will.
But you've also got people there in California saying, you know what?
We're lying down with wolves here.
We're jumping in the hole along with the Republicans.
This is not what we are about.
Even my former boss.
Eric Holder out there as a champion to bring gerrymandering to a close is now saying, let's do it.
We have to preserve democracy.
Trump is going to play this way.
We need to respond again, legally, lawfully, but doing something that's not probably in the best interest long term, cross the board of Americans voting.
next year.
Well, you know, I always find myself shouting at the TV when I hear a Democrat describe all of this and, uh, and yeah, well, you know, Democratic states also gerrymander.
The answer to all of that is that, yes, they do gerrymander, but Democrats want to get rid of gerrymandering.
The other party does not want to get rid of it.
That's the defining moment.
We have to bring that often.
You know, they say, oh, but your state is gerrymandered like Illinois.
Well, yes.
but they want to get rid of it.
We want to change the system so it's fair.
They don't.
Okay, and I think fighting fire with fire in this case is more than called for.
It's
legal.
We'll see what happens.
Next couple of days, very interesting in Texas and then beyond.
Yes, absolutely.
Jim, we got to leave it there.
Thanks for joining us.
That's always a pleasure.
Jim Santel, you can listen to him on the Civic Media Radio Network Saturday mornings at nine o'clock.
Jim, and that trench coat looks great.
I mean, if you're going to be doing investigations, I guess.
Yeah.
Got to
wear
this.
I'm going to see if I've got one from my dad's wardrobe from about
30 years
ago,
and
maybe
I
can pull it out.
I'll show up next Thursday with just that on.
All right.
Like McGruff.
You look like McGruff.
There you go.
All right.
Thank you, Jim.
That's going to do it for us.
Coming up tomorrow, Savannah Tome Olson will join us with the news update.
Also rocker with the maxing preview and Pam Yankee.
It's all coming up tomorrow and more chances to win Brewer tickets to free ticket Friday for brewers.
Stephanie Miller's next.
That's it for us.
Well, we're gonna have more idiocracy too.
Oh, yeah.
Cancel that
all coming up.
Hey, we'll see you at Madison Night Market tonight.
Definitely with a new t-shirt downtown State Street.
Join us.
See you there.
We were saying, yeah.
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