Like a fine wine aged to perfection, until the bottle shatters against the rocks of history, two ancient warriors of radio broadcasting take to the airwaves of Madison for anyone brave enough to listen to the unvarnished truth, or something like that.
It's John and Gordy in the morning on 92.7 WMDX.
And a good morning, WMDX.
92.7, it's John and Gordy sitting in for another big day of neocracy.
I can't wait to get to all the stuff that has happened in just the last 24 damn hours.
Never a lack of material.
No.
No, there really isn't, sadly.
It just keeps coming.
You know, I wouldn't mind getting to a little medical information, you know, maybe a little tech stuff.
Going back in time, seeing how tech was back then.
It's actually not much different than today, but it's just larger.
That's all.
Anyway.
More intrusive.
I'd love to, you know, just broaden the spectrum a little bit, but, you know, we're dealing with a guy on the spectrum.
And, you know, we have a deeply troubled individual in the White House, and every day we have to talk about this son of a gun.
I am taught.
I am so tired of this stuff.
Well, let's take a day off.
Every stupid thing this guy does, every
dumb thing he
does, we have to talk about it.
It's the headline each and every day, like the tariffs are kicking in today.
Yeah.
Oh, well, that's the dumbest thing we could possibly do, but let's talk about it all the time.
Okay.
Good morning.
Hey, how's it going?
I don't know who that was.
That's John Peterson.
Somebody walked in here, sounded pretty much like me, and just walked out.
I have no idea how that happened.
We
got to lock
the doors.
You sounded civil when you walked in here.
I didn't know it was going to be like that.
You know, a minute in.
Yeah, you're holding back, man.
Well, take a breath.
John?
Who,
me?
Yeah, you.
Oh, take a
breath.
Good morning.
That's John.
I'm Gordy.
Dom
is in the producer booth.
flipping the switches and pushing the buttons.
And it's a pretty nice start today, although it's muggy already.
You can tell it's going to be
humid today.
Uh, 68 degrees now in highs and mid 80s.
You got new glasses.
I forgot
my glasses at home.
Oh, these were in the glove box.
They look, they look fine.
Yeah.
It's my buddy Holly glass.
Okay.
I like them.
Well, thank you.
It's a good look for us.
Well, it used to be a good look.
I Moved on from here.
Okay, but let's try it, you know and by the way it goes with my my black shirt today, okay?
Black rim glasses and you're wondering you look studious
You look very
studious.
Yeah, you can always tune in and watch behind the scenes on Facebook or YouTube or X are we on X anymore?
I
don't
know.
Nobody knows.
Nope.
It's now everyone's straying away from X now.
Is that right?
Yeah
But that was voluntary.
Have we voluntarily straight away from X?
Is that
what's happened?
Yes.
Really?
I think everyone, all the shows kind of voluntarily straight away.
No kidding.
I could be
wrong.
No one asked me.
We didn't hear anything about it.
I'd love it to be there.
Oh, well, okay.
Well, that's Tony.
You know, enemy territory.
That's where I'd like to just
hang out.
A little bit later on, we'll talk to Tim Slucker.
from Busted Pencils, got the latest on education.
And there was an incident involving Linda McMahon that we'll take a look at.
Yeah.
Listen to.
And Jim Santel will join us, attorney at law.
So that's what's coming up a little bit later on.
No.
Yeah.
Catherine said FX.
FX.
Oh, okay.
She talking about FX, the channel FX, or is she saying?
Oh, they are separate from the X, I get it.
You can text a lot of people who are watching us on X from what I remember.
Is that right?
Yeah, they were.
Well, I didn't know that.
Well, you know, Sam kept us updated on it.
We had a lot of viewers on X.
And maybe we bring it back.
Maybe today I'll...
I'll talk to my clientele, investigate, yeah.
We'll see what happens, you know.
We do have that cut from London McMahon coming up.
We'll play it for Tim Slecker to see what he thinks of the fiasco.
And by the way, the interesting part of it is Scott Walker was interviewing her to her own former governor.
Oh, he's
trying to get back in the limelight.
Oh, yeah.
He's trying
to throw his hat in the ring again.
No.
Maybe
run for governor again.
He said he wasn't going to do it.
Yeah, he said he wasn't going to do it.
Maybe, you know, demand will ask him to come back.
But anyway, he managed to throw a few cuts out there at the liberals.
Right.
And then, you know, the response is.
at least from one poster, he says, well, this is just how desperate the liberals and Democrats are.
Oh, really?
Oh, really?
That's desperate?
No, no, we're not that desperate.
We're just throwing sand into the gear mechanisms here.
What's
wrong?
What's wrong with protesting, you know?
Free
speech, right?
Are they trying to
cancel it?
Is Scott Walker trying to cancel us?
I don't know.
Yeah.
All right So this replaces the national day calendar go
ahead I just wonder does Scott have an actual job right now is he still doing the what he was doing before the
Head of that
student organization or whatever it was.
Yes.
Yeah, right?
Yeah young Americans
or
something.
Yeah.
Okay.
You know, I can't
believe
this.
What's the problem?
What are you?
I forgot my glasses at home.
I left my coffee mug out in the car.
What the hell is going on?
You know, I had a hell of a day yesterday.
I got to tell you, man.
I did not have a good day.
All
the charging stations around my house,
you know, I can't
put a charging station in my house until Middleton approves the Gizmo and
Gadget that I want to add on to my electrical box Okay, so I'm waiting and waiting and waiting for my electrician to call me up and say it's a go I'm going to these charging stations all over the place and all of them were taken yesterday.
Oh, no So I went all the way downtown here on East Washington Avenue to charge my car.
It's a fast charge, right?
I'm there I'm there and every time I go there to fast charge the company that has the fast chargers Never recognizes my account.
They don't know who I am.
I'm signed up.
I have a charge
on your on your account and And then I can't get it I can't get the charge going and then I get back into the car.
I'm really mad I've got the car.
I've got my phone in my hand.
I'm texting them and and then On my dash it says my battery is low.
Oh Yeah, the 12 volt battery.
Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, well battery the little one that starts the car so Then the whole car just shut down
That's scary.
Well, everybody's car shuts down if the battery dies completely.
You can't
really do anything, right?
You were just sitting in the parking lot there?
Yeah, and it's hot.
And it's very hot in the car.
And I'm there trying to get a hold of the EV center.
And I'm thinking, no, this isn't working.
I can't get a charge.
My car battery just died in front of me.
And then I call up my new insurance company, which is another story altogether.
And I call them up and get the towing service.
And it took four hours for the tow truck to get there.
So this is from one to five.
You're just sitting there?
Yes.
No, I was walking around all over the places around the Sylvie, you know.
Oh, you sure?
Yeah.
So I'm there.
I'm there for.
like four hours getting a lot of sun by the way no show prep I am just like you know I'm thinking what the heck I've got two programs to do tomorrow and and finally they they they find out the guy that was originally supposed to come out and told me it was kind of
hung up on a previous toe job.
But he never let anybody know, so I'm sitting in there for four hours.
I should have actually called a few hundred times
before
that.
But anyway, this other guy comes out, he's fantastic.
This guy knows everything.
He's a great guy.
I gave him, you know, a 10 in the ratings, even though
I waited
four
hours.
He's
got a 10 spot.
I thought you meant a $10 bill.
No, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
and set it off there.
The thing I found out was, and I signed up for Carfax, I believe it is.
And I signed up for that, and I found out there's a recall on my car that hasn't been taken care of yet.
And this recall is for an item that does affect the car battery.
The car battery doesn't get a recharge.
You know how the whole system works together?
It charges the battery all the time.
But it wasn't working, and that's one of the problems.
So it's at the dealership getting taken care of I see so I'm just You know if it isn't one thing it's the other
Couple of glitches in the new space car.
You'll get it worked out.
No, it's like any other glitch.
It's the damn 12 volt battery It has nothing to do with the big gigantic battery that sits in the center of that car and makes me move
Very good.
Don't egg me on, please don't egg me
on.
Would I do that?
No.
I wouldn't trigger you.
Hey, let's get to would you rather.
That
would be a good idea.
Yeah, that would be a
good
idea.
Because it's time.
Here we go.
Everybody's strapping.
Try to understand what you're saying here
at the
first.
There we go.
That one is a little harder.
Understand.
First one, you know, clear.
All right.
Well, you think it's clear?
I think it's funny every time I hear.
All right, go ahead.
OK, first question.
Would you rather eat a meal?
This one's going to be gross.
Would you rather not really gross, but would you rather eat a meal of cow tongue or octopus?
Octopus isn't- people eat octopus, you know?
Well,
yes, Mr. 20- Mr. 22.
We do eat octopus.
Yes, the delicacy is great stuff.
I love octopus.
Yeah, I'd go with octopus.
Yeah,
definitely.
Yeah, I think I would go octopus too.
I also feel like people have cow tongue too.
I could be wrong there.
Oh yeah, no, that's- Is that
common?
It's probably not healthy.
Alright, what else
you okay?
Alright, I would say cow tongue, but um second question Would you rather live at the
top you said you're gonna go with cow tongue instead of
I want to try I've tried octopus before and I've just just I didn't like it.
No, it's just
It doesn't, it sits wrong with me in my stomach.
Almost everything does.
Mac and cheese does.
Alright, second question.
I think I have a dairy issue.
I think you do.
Alright, second question.
Would you rather live at the top of a tall New York City apartment building or at the top of a mountain secluded away from everyone by yourself?
Little shack.
It's
not a shack.
You would go apartment?
Oh, sure.
New York?
Sure.
You would do New York?
Oh, yeah.
That was the choice, yeah.
Yeah, okay.
They have high-speed internet there.
Why would I go onto a
mountain top
where they don't
have any internet at all?
What are you, crazy?
You're 22 years old.
You live on tech.
How could you possibly ask that
question?
I feel like it would be nice at the top of a mountain, you know?
I could be away from all the issues.
I can live without any clothes on.
I can walk.
Kind of cold up there on the mountain.
There's a lot of bugs and mosquitoes.
You don't
want to walk around naked in the woods.
It's a warm mountain, okay?
It's a warm mountain.
Alright, there we go.
That's all we got for Would You Rather For Today.
How do you like that when you start imaginations in that
one?
You're a bit more creative, you
know?
All righty, it is 619 and coming up right around the corner, Professor Dr. Tim Slecker will be joining us for today, talking about education and Linda McMahon.
The incident involving Scott Walker.
Yes, and a little bit later on Jim Santel joins us in our 7 o'clock hour We're just getting going on this Thursday morning.
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It's 622.
partly sunny skies and temperatures today will go up to the mid-80s.
We were right before we went away there for a moment.
We were talking with Dom about his newfound hobby of being nude.
Yeah, I like to be a nude out in the middle of the
woods sometimes.
Guys, I was kidding, okay?
Don't take that serious, please.
Oh, really?
I promise, I promise, I don't.
Maybe every now and then I run around in my apartment like that, but other than that, no, I'm not going to go on a top of a mountain, I'm not going
to do that.
Well, you know...
Reminds me of the old days, Mesa Mani.
They had a nude beach out there.
Yeah.
You went there many times, didn't you, John?
I went there a couple of times,
actually.
I did.
Yeah.
It's no longer there, apparently.
No, no.
They closed it down.
I was going to ask, where is this at?
If
I'm not mistaken, I think it was actually Scott Walker that managed to close the damn thing, along with the Republican, jury-mandered Republicans.
They decided that having one nude beach in the state was one too many.
And I think that's very sad.
I went there with somebody who was in a wheelchair.
Oh, really wanted to go there.
Oh, no kidding.
Yeah.
So I, uh, I helped her fulfill that dream.
Wow.
Yeah.
And so
it
happened to be near Mesa Mani near the Wisconsin River.
Yes, it's on the river.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So what was it like wheeling this person down to the beach?
It wasn't, it wasn't easy on sand, but, uh, you know, I mean,
You know what the heck?
It was very
interesting.
Everything was fine.
You know, I always wondered how they know where to go for the beach because the sandbars and everything changes over time.
Even the shoreline does.
But they have signs and everything, how to get there.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, I don't know why, you know, people want to infringe on other people's rights to attend a nude beach.
I don't get it.
It doesn't make any sense to me, but...
They managed to do it.
That was a shocking moment in my life.
Here, I haven't finished my story
yet.
I was
standing in the parking lot for four hours waiting for a tow truck to come.
I
take my car to the dealership.
Oh, okay.
Well, let's go with part
two.
I was hanging out.
I was there walking around.
I went to a cargo cafe.
Oh, that's a nice place.
And the brewery right across the street.
Vintage brewing?
Yeah, vintage.
And then this guy walked up to me.
He walked up to me.
He said, well, what brings you out here?
Well, well, I'm waiting for a tow truck.
He says, I don't believe you.
I didn't expect that answer.
And I said, you know what?
I don't think I care.
It's like an NPC interaction there.
Somebody tried to pick a fight
with you or something?
Yes, he
actually did.
I think I was infringing on his territory of panhandling.
I don't
know.
He didn't panhandle.
I was there.
I
said, well, why are you here?
He said, well, why do you think I'm here?
I said, I don't know.
And I don't care.
I said, leave me alone.
Really?
Yeah.
I mean, I almost got to fighting it.
Fist of Cuffs?
Yeah.
Oh, I hit it when the fist of cuffs come up.
I just told him to leave me alone.
And he did.
He just hung out there.
He was just, he was bothering me constantly.
When you said you had a bad day yesterday, I didn't think it was going to be this bad.
It was like the whole rest of your afternoon.
It just tumbles on you when things are going bad.
Man, that's awful.
Almost had a fight.
Out
on East Washington
Avenue.
Oh my God.
Wow, we're happy.
The infamous East Side folks.
Yeah, well.
You know, West Siders and East Siders don't get along for some reason.
He just knew I was
from the West Side.
That's it.
I think you're under something there.
You better stay where you belong here in the West Side.
But the cars, so the car is at the dealership and that's, they're going to check it out.
They're going to do the upgrade, whatever you need to be upgraded because they didn't take care of it with the recall.
Right.
Right.
Something like that.
Yeah.
Now it's taken care of.
It's going to be a free job, but I don't know how long it's going to be held up now.
You know, the parts and stuff like that.
So we'll see what happens.
But yeah, I do have the ever dependable hybrid car that I have.
Prius.
Prius.
The speedy little red Prius.
Good.
Because you need, you know, you need transportation.
Eric texted us saying sand and wheelchairs don't mix.
No kidding.
No, it actually worked out.
It actually worked out.
Yeah.
I was kind of surprised, but the whole thing worked out.
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Yeah, John.
Yeah.
Well, you know, it's nice to know that the Brewers are are the best team in the in baseball right now.
Major League Baseball.
They won their whole World Road series.
Yeah.
Six games.
Six.
Oh,
it's just
amazing.
And we were we were there at this at the beginning of those
climb to the top.
Well, yeah, they've been a hot team all year round.
But now there are four games ahead of the Cubs.
We're going to talk to Mike Clemens when we fill in with Maggie Dawn today later
on the city.
They're giving us another two hours this afternoon because, well, we're
We're going to just talk about my day yesterday.
That's all.
That's it.
Two hours.
We've got to push all the information on all the news later on.
Yeah, I can't
wait.
That'll
be fun.
That's always a good time pulling in from making.
Yeah.
Yes.
So we'll check in with Mike Clemens this afternoon.
I think we might be going to another baseball game,
right?
Oh, yeah.
We're working on that.
And we're going to take more listeners
to
see a Brewers game.
And we'll reveal more details as we get a little bit closer.
Yeah, I can't keep a
secret.
I think
I know you
can.
We're going to never mind.
629.
When we come back, Tim Slecker will join us from Busted Pencils here on John and Gordy.
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We'll see some clouds at times and highs in the mid to upper 80s.
You know, what
you're avoiding
here is you're avoiding the dew point.
I was
just saying, you are, you are, it's
going to be humid.
I may have mentioned the humidity was going to go up.
We were talking about the humidity possibly going up and now here it's going up.
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That's what I was trying to say.
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what's on your mind?
I know it's
kind of frustrating the whole thing, you know, that's taking place You know you guys in education now have to compete with ice and I think that's a fascinating piece of news lately Yeah, tell us a little bit about this
Well, you know it's Again, it's it's kind of one of the these stories that it's it's not not really but
it was interesting the headline um you know all on student loan forgiveness uh quickly my my daughter this weekend um who you know gets her news feed i don't i don't i don't check her news feed
and
i don't don't censor it she's she's 22 but uh dad what what is this ice is getting
student loan forgiveness
that's right
you know and and my student loan forgiveness was was denied this is horrible dad they're gonna make I just you know I thought I was messing around there I was like well you know I mean
Who knows?
It's a good place to start, I guess.
You know, I'm like, you know, student loan forgiveness for you is actually student loan forgiveness for me.
Yeah, that's
right.
You
know what?
You know,
if you got to do, if you got to do a couple of years in ICE, I'm okay with that.
Yeah.
So that was ICE's
offer,
right?
For
new employees,
like $50,000 and student loan forgiveness.
Yeah.
Student loan forgiveness.
Yeah.
But, you know, and it really did touch a nerve and it should have if the story actually was true in the sense that it presented it as if, you know, hey, student loan forgiveness is off the tables except for if you're going to, you know,
get in line with this administration because
they're
going to offer student loans.
And it's not really that.
What it is is that ICE, if you work for ICE, you're a federal employee and as a federal employee or a public employee, public employees are eligible for student loan forgiveness.
right now, currently, under the Public Student Loan Forgiveness Program, which is available for all public servants currently.
Okay.
What was the twist here was is that there's also a potential $50,000 signing bonus with ICE that if you get into ICE.
And so the story wraps those together and it then comes across for my
my daughter and who's reading it as, oh my God, they are going to give student loan forgiveness for ICE, but me, who is probably going to work in the national parks as a wildlife coordinator.
I'm not allowed to get student loan forgiveness.
Dad, oh my God, this is the worst country in the world.
I want to go to Finland.
Well, you know, your daughter has been pretty outspoken since a very young age.
Yes.
So it's nice to hear that she's angry about the whole thing.
And plus, and you mentioned it as well, that the forest employees were working free for a long time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
you know but it wasn't we brought this up for our sessions on wednesdays for classes and session because um you know and this is where i think people would have been like oh this is propaganda and you guys would have just went with it i'm saying no we this is an opportunity to to teach that um you know what was the intent of this article because
Underneath there was you know, the truth is public student loan forgiveness is still an option for everybody It is fraught with all kinds of difficulties Is there the possibility that this article was really meant?
to inflame a certain population of people um and so when we see things like this it's you know this is just simple media literacy yeah what does it mean to be able to read and then dig deeper and understand what was the intent of what i read who wrote it and what are the truth and the facts there and these are things that you know we should be teaching all students all the time well you'd find out
more if you just use
AI, Tim.
I mean, the whole idea of, and you brought this up, I thought it was interesting, student loan forgiveness.
They're forgiving
you for getting an
education.
When you brought that up, it
was a
revelation.
Well, I mean, I mean, that always was the part, you know, this is like the Biden administration.
We're getting elected on.
giving student loans and just like right away from me it was just like what a horrible marketing tactic you know it presents people getting college degrees as you know bad people who yes you know your sins are forgiven how dare you go
and learn
about
things.
But again, how you package these things.
So when it comes across as forgiveness, it was very easy for Trump and people on the right who wanted to position this as a problem.
was is that, you know, wait a minute, these were going to give forgiveness and it sounds like some kind of a handout and that it's going to come out a you taxpayer and how horrible this is.
And again, you know, horrible, horrible, horrible.
The reality to even on the forgiveness and the taxpayer was is that, you know, we've worked with some student loan experts and
there there's no taxpayer hit to canceling student loan debt student loan debt the interest alone every year that's collected pays for the funds that went out to give student loans and so the idea that taxpayers would be
on the take or uh you know to pay to pay off my daughter who dared go to college to learn about animals it's just nonsense and so we say we cancel a bad debt that's what it should have been framed as yeah these were bad debts these were predatory loans these were set up to create profit for
the government there's no forgiving anything here it's canceling a predatory loan that goes after a significant population of people who are in a position to be preyed upon because they need the money to go to college so that you know there's a whole other rant for you guys absolutely I
feel it coming on yeah but but here's the thing I mean it doesn't ask
ask the question then why did biden's program not make it not work why was it unconstitutional why does the supreme court come down on it when it's already a program for for federal employees
you know well and remember what what they did though was is that they denied that initial student loan forgiveness that biden put forward that everybody was eligible for ten thousand dollars um of for of just
blanket
forgiveness
It didn't matter what your major was, everybody could qualify for that.
And then students with Pell grants were also eligible for up to 20,000.
That's what was struck down by the Supreme Court.
The public student loan forgiveness program that was implemented in 2007, I think, under the Obama administration.
that has always been in place and that that's been put, you know, has continues to operate.
It's a disaster.
It's a mess.
People who go for it typically spend, you know, years.
Oh, wait, I've I'm now eligible for my loans to be wiped out, but I have one more payment.
Wow.
Thank
you.
There's the deal.
Right.
Yeah.
We're talking to Dr. Tim Slecker.
from Busted Pencils, and let's move on to Linda McMahon.
Should we get to Linda McMahon?
She was being interviewed by Scott Walker at the Young America Foundation's National Conservative Student Conference in DC.
Was this yesterday or day before?
And something happened while she was being interviewed, right?
Yes, yeah.
Let's
play it for Tim here.
Yeah.
OK.
We're going to take this.
The funding will come from the Department of Education.
Apparently
the CCP didn't like that they're cutting into our technology.
We're getting a little feedback in here.
But he had to do some staff changes pretty quickly as people understood what his...
working style was and he understood you know them so but this time you know he knew he knew the story he knew how to uh you know how to make things work how to make things run he had the people coming in that he really wanted to work with him and um and then he'd have this little gap you know sometimes kids in college take a gap year well he he he didn't voluntarily take a gap term but i think it turned out to be an incredible thing for him
well there you go circus music underneath the window
wow
Yeah, she was hacked, apparently,
during the conversation there.
The speaker set up.
They needed better circus
music
here.
That's what they should have hacked it with that.
It was nice and
clear, but yeah.
That was very
weird.
And
then
Scott Walker, of course, you know, blame the liberal sport.
But, you know, as usual, Scott Walker is wrong and he's talking to Linda McMahon, two people you can't can imagine talking about it.
You know, education at all.
I mean, Scott Walker brought education to its knees in Wisconsin, defunded everything.
And Linda McMahon, of course, is taking the department apart.
So everything
too.
Yep.
Well,
I can't
believe we're already going to take a break here.
Yeah.
Well, we'll continue to more though.
Let's
talk about defunding public broadcasts.
Yes, we'll get into that with Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils on John and Gordy in the mornings.
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Yeah, we have sunshine today highs in the mid to upper 80s.
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The two points are rising even as we speak.
So just you know, stay with your steering me that's all.
Yeah.
Okay 652 let's get back to Tim Slecker from busted pencils and We want to talk about PBS and the corporation for couple for public broadcasting.
Yeah has been disbanded by the Trump administration now the PBS is suing the Trump administration arguing the defunding is unconstitutional
We'll see where that goes.
That's interesting.
I didn't know that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And lawsuit echoes similar arguments made by NPR.
you know national public radio another public media organization targeted by defunding efforts so they're fighting back on this but you know it's going to be devastating for some of the smaller public broadcasting stations that may just have to you know shut down right out in the country
you'd think that somewhere along the way tim that uh when you come out and say we're getting rid of woke
that
maybe
that would sway the judge or at least a decision in all of this.
It's purely political.
It has nothing to do with anything else.
This is censorship.
This is government censorship.
That's what it is.
Yeah, it's that.
And, you know, it really creates this sense of going like, like, what is it about
Mr. Rogers and Big Bird that is so offensive to conservatives who for 40 plus years have been fully engaged in trying to get to the point they've finally reached this you know this year with with the Trump administration because this isn't
a Trump issue here this is a long-standing historical battle and in fact we you know we covered that um it was 1968 or 69 when Fred Rogers testified
to
the Senate
about
why
The corporation for public broadcasting needed to be continued to be funded and you know, he did an incredible job I take everybody, you know, we played portion a portion of it on the show, you know go YouTube and look at look it up and You know, he makes the case of saying this is the type of programming that is quality and When it came at that point
there was a Republican senator who after listening to Fred Rogers talk said, you know what?
What are we doing?
Give him the money.
My God, give him the money.
A reasonableness.
But yeah, what is it?
We frame it as woke and all of a sudden, yeah, get, get rid of it.
And, you know, is it out of their viewpoints on PBS that are quote, you know, more
I don't know.
Is it left-leaning?
Is it or is it more liberal democracy supporting?
And you know, that's the question we want to start always trying to dig out.
It's like, what is it about PBS?
And it has always stood as this kind of, I guess in one way, it's an anti-capitalist
corporation, right?
You
know, they're not making it on their own.
It's why should the taxpayers fund these liberal woke agenda pushing people, you know, Fred Rogers and Big Bird?
Well, we have that cut in our in our stack of
stuff somewhere.
And we're looking for it in in our files
here
because I played it.
It was a really moving moment and the reason why Fred Rogers, you know, said that it was so important to have public broadcasting in the first place.
Yeah.
And he was talking to Senator John Pastore.
Yeah.
Right.
And he was going for they were they were trying to go from $20 million down to $10 million.
And that was what the that was what the
the committee meeting was about.
I'm trying to get that cut over.
And
one of the things that a lot of people forget is that there were a number of programs on public broadcasting that were conservative.
Yeah.
What one
of the most
popular programs ever on public broadcasting, which is I can't think of right now firing line fire line.
Yeah, it was William F. Buckley.
Yes, exactly.
One of
the biggest programs ever in the history of conservative broadcasting.
Right.
It was
on
public radio
TV, public TV.
Yes.
So there it is.
I
know this
doesn't make any sense, of course.
Again, none of this ever made any sense.
They're attack on it.
But I think anytime that you actually go out and report on the news in an impartial way, it's always liberal and it's always progressive and it's always bad, right?
Yeah,
John, that's what it was.
It was just like, okay, you know, the largely the most objective news out there, right?
For some reason, you know,
Objective news is liberal.
Yeah
You
know and and and that's just like how do you get to that and I I think again, we study History we look at moments like this where you know Fred Rogers shows up speaks eloquently gently Truth and that truth comes across as saying, you know, if you're listening anybody who hears that says wait a minute
we're going to do away with, you know, this man and the type of programming that he's been bringing, you know, and at this point too, and was it 68, he hadn't even been doing this that long,
right?
Yes.
You know, and so you think about that and you say it's quality programming and
You know, it just...
I don't even know.
You know, this is going to take a quality programming away from future generations as well.
And I think that's the huge effect here.
It's a problem.
We know what it was
like and it was great.
It was fantastic, great programming.
Kids were brought up on it.
And now it's not going to be like that.
I don't know what parents are going to do.
Well, we have to leave it there.
Tim Slecker, thank you for joining us.
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It's a beautiful morning.
First of all, you guys put on a good show, and I think that goes without saying.
I love your show.
I listen all the time.
You have a pretty fun show.
I listen to it most of the time, you know.
Keep up the good work.
No, it's disgusting.
It's
a ploy.
God, I love you.
Get the hell off the stage.
Nice work, everyone.
Sharp broadcast.
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Boy, oh boy.
You know, we got some crazy stuff today.
We do, I guess, too.
We're seeing sunshine this morning, a few early morning clouds, and we'll see a mix of both through the day.
Highest getting into the mid to upper 80s, and the heat is on again today.
What was that?
I think that was a bird running into the window.
I don't know what that was.
That scared me.
Really?
I thought that was a, I don't know, a garbage truck?
Sounded like a garbage truck, was it?
Yeah, it was kind of a loud noise.
I don't know.
Might want to open up your blinds there and see what's going on out there.
Where were we?
Okay, seven minutes past the hour, hot and humid today and yeah, 85 for a high at least.
Yeah.
Okay.
And coming up in about a half hour, we'll talk to attorney Jim Santel.
See what's on his mind.
Lots of legal issues, of course, always going on.
We've got to ask Jim about his guest yesterday.
He had talked to another attorney on the air.
He was filling in for
Maggie.
All
they do is talk about lawn.
Attorney stuff.
Well,
there's a
lot of it to talk about that's why he was on Maggie's show Okay, but anyway, he had a great guest and they were talking about how to make Traffic safety better in the state
And it was just a fascinating program, and I don't know if you had seen an article recently about how the city has cameras at every intersection and they're taking photos of everybody's car and license plates and stuff like that.
I guess in order to expedite, well, just make it better to recognize people's cars in case there's an incident where they need to track down something.
They have at least a database.
of license plates and cars.
So anyway, I thought, well, this is an intrusion.
This is really not something good.
And how about facial recognition?
Are
those cameras taking pictures of people inside their cars?
Anyway, I guess Jim Santel thought that this was a possible problem as well.
And his guest was an attorney having to do with traffic safety and laws like that.
He explained the whole thing and it was just fascinating stuff.
And I'm going to have Jim Santel tell us that story about that particular law about, you know, taking pictures of everybody's vehicles.
It's actually really a great idea.
I'm just completely sold on it.
And I didn't know the angle at which they would take.
Remember, laws are usually, you know, very punitive.
These are laws that are not so punitive and they're more or less.
a lesson in life.
You know very small penalties, but a lesson in life where you actually improve your driving skills only because you know that there's you know, it could be worse
Okay, well, it's also it has to do with the traffic flow to you know at all these intersections because they can tell where traffic is back That's true.
I hope some to time out the lights and all that kind of stuff, but so we'll talk to Jim
Yeah, yeah, it was a fascinating discussion plus.
He's got other legal issues
that he
wants to deal with like, you know the legislature
in Texas, leaving
the
state to prevent a quorum down
there so they can't redistrict right away.
Right.
And we'll have Jim on in about half hour.
We're going to be filling it for Maggie Dawn this afternoon from four until six.
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All right, Trump again is calling the Epstein scandal.
Yeah.
a hoax.
Oh, by
the
dam.
What a surprise.
What a
surprise.
By the
dams.
What?
Oh,
OK.
They've been promising to release this stuff for at least three or four years.
They were
nailing Biden and everybody for
not
releasing the information.
And now it's just a hoax by the dam.
Honestly,
God,
seriously.
They
cost
anybody to believe that.
You know, well, they've got the CJ's and in my mega friend in Milwaukee who believe that stuff hook
line
and sinker.
I don't think.
Well,
let's disprove something
here.
Now, this is something I don't back at all.
I want immigrants in this country.
I want the people who are here now to get permanent status and then become citizens.
That's my point of view.
I think we should have reform, obviously.
But this is an interesting reveal by Bill O'Reilly, Papa Bear.
Bill O'Reilly.
So Colbert used to call him.
Where's he been?
Excuse me?
He's been out there broadcasting.
I
don't think he should be.
And it has nothing to do with his ideas.
It has more to do with his delivery.
And you'll find out in just a moment
why.
But anyway, he revealed data showing Biden deported more.
immigrants, then Trump did in the same first six months.
Well, listen to this.
This is a bill or this cut twelve cut twelve.
Bill O'Reilly.
OK.
And let's see here in
the same
six months last year compared to this year.
OK, that's that's what he's comparing.
You shouldn't see plus first six months of twenty four.
Biden deported for ten four hundred ten thousand.
And, uh, for six months twenty-five, Trump two thirty-nine.
Now what?
That's it.
Yeah.
All right.
Okay.
So, I mean, you could eat his little, uh, yeah.
Well, here's a little tepid on this information, I think, anyway.
It proves two things.
First, it's the actual problem of reporting that we're never getting from the major media on any of this stuff.
Biden's numbers don't lie about deporting in the last six months.
Again, the numbers are
this in the first part of 2024 for the first six months 410,000 immigrants deported and they had their rights by the way okay they weren't violated uh trump violated the rights but only had 239,000 so from 410,000 on biden
and Trump 239,000 with the military, with the Marines, with quotas, going after everybody, even citizens, even people with green cards, everybody who is here legally, he's thrown out.
And it's only 239,000 compared to 410,000 people with rights who did get their day in court with Biden.
All right.
That's for six months.
Those are the numbers.
Yeah.
Well, not, no.
Again, Biden 2024, the first six months of last year compared to the first six months of this year.
Wow.
Yeah.
That's quite the
difference.
No Legally everybody had their rights their day in court right they got to
process
That's great stuff, you know, but again, I don't agree with any of these deportations I think what we need to do is has is have immigration reform mm-hmm, and we've had a plan
we had a plan and
then Trump
I mean, the thing here is, it was obvious he made the call, right?
He
made the call to Mike Johnson and says, don't pass this thing.
It's going to be our big issue for the election.
Right.
Came right out and said it.
Right.
And yet the media has a hard time reminding everybody of this each and every time we talk about it.
And I don't know why we have a problem with this.
It's ridiculous.
Yeah.
What?
We have a call.
Yes.
Mark is on the line with a comment or a question.
Good morning, Mark.
How are you doing?
Well, I'm doing okay, but it occurs to me that cruelty is the entire point for the Trump administration, and maybe for all these magas that are supporting this nonsense, because wasn't it Jesse Waters that said he got all excited when he was seeing people, you know, rounded
up?
Yes.
You know, shipped off unmasked.
I mean, that reminds me of
you know how excited people got you know that the people that took pleasure out of PNC and people during during prior to World War II people getting loaded up in cattle cars and sent off to the concentration camps to become death camps I mean it is just do these people need Viagra anymore because they get all it probably provides them some kind of excitement to see people rounded up like this and being abused like this I mean I just perhaps I'm being unjust but I'm getting
pretty angry about this fact that a lot of our ancestors came over under very similar circumstances that these people are coming over with with desperate economic conditions you know the people that came from scandinavia you're doing the first you know the first part of the uh... twentieth century
i
think
a lot of them
were escaping you know economic problems there that they are uh... were so very similar to what was happening right now and they weren't they weren't uh... looked upon like this and it is just
Beyond me that people we are not accepting these people these people are working hard.
They're taking that grabbing these people off their jobs for I
know I know
I know it
is just that you bring up a really good point We're kind of getting off the subject of why these people are here What drove them to come to the US?
You know the beacon of freedom in the in the world and and we're forgetting about that by all this other these other side Attractions right mark
Yeah, it is just sad.
I mean, these people are coming here to work.
I mean, they're not living off, you know, they're taking people off to job sites.
And our food is rotting out in the field because these people aren't there to do it.
And it is just beyond me that people are supporting this nonsense of deporting them all, worshiping Donald Trump.
What how many convictions of felony convictions does he have?
Yeah, 34 34 of them.
It's
indicated to be a sexual assaulter.
Yeah,
I mean the guy they admire
All right.
Well, thanks, Mark.
I appreciate it.
I want to get to this.
Homeland Security posted an image on X from Wednesday's upcoming episode of South Park.
Here's a preview of that episode.
This is Cut 62.
Let's listen to it here.
Comedy Central released a short preview for the episode that will air on Wednesday, August 6th, that includes a group of masked armed men in black cars marked with ice storming the streets.
The preview also shows that the hit Comedy Central series will continue to mock Trump with a shot of the president at a banquet with Satan.
When Mr. Mackie loses his job, he desperately tries to find a new way to make a living.
In the preview, the character is shown in the back of an ice raid truck.
The episode even drew condemnation from the White House, which issued a statement claiming, just like the creators of South Park, the left has no
authentic or original content, which is why their popularity continues to hit record lows.
This show hasn't been relevant for over 20 years and is hanging on by a thread with uninspired ideas in a desperate attempt for attention.
That must be it, yes.
Again, Homeland Security posted an image on X from that upcoming episode of South Park to promote themselves.
The pick is used by ICE on an ICE raid to promote themselves and recruit
to their site.
They had a
link at the picture
that they
posted on X, a link to their immigration and customs enforcement website.
So you could volunteer to be an ICE agent based on the South Park image of all things.
This is insanity.
So anyway, South
Park reacted to it on X by saying, wait, so we are relevant.
Now we heard that they aren't relevant, but now they
are relevant because
they're being used by ICE to recruit
agents.
Amazing stuff.
Unbelievable.
Yeah.
Oh my god.
The whole world is upside down.
Okay.
Nineteen passed the hour.
When we return, we'll check in with Brittany Merlot, get an update on the weather, and much more of John and Gordy right around the corner on WMDX Madison.
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What do you got for us today, Brittany?
Some good news.
The dew points will be plummeting in the humidity level.
No.
That's not
happening.
I wish.
That's fall.
Pretty soon.
A couple of weeks, but not today.
All right.
Thanks
for
that.
Appreciate those temperatures those dew points on the rise, but cleaner fresher air all across the state really finally,
okay
Finally, yeah, so breathing nice highs today will reach the upper 80s I'm thinking about 88 degrees or so with the dew points probably at about 66 to 67 degrees So
it's
gonna be pretty sticky feeling like the low 90s this afternoon mostly sunny
Not bad, so sunny summery.
But then, of course, showers and storms start to spark.
I think they're possible after four o'clock, but more likely hitting Madison area probably around eight p.m.
to
maybe midnight or so.
Okay.
A few of them could linger in the morning, but I don't think it's gonna be by you guys.
I think it's gonna be further off to the east.
But heads up, it's possible.
And then tomorrow's still extremely hot.
Very humid, dew points into the 70s, temperatures hitting 90.
It's going to be feeling like near 100 both tomorrow and Saturday.
You got even longer than most of the state.
I don't have to deal with that long.
You do, though.
Oh,
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Thanks
a lot.
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Thank you.
Rub it in a
little bit.
I
got it.
I got
it.
You could always come up north on Sunday.
Then we could
zipline finally.
We should put up our own
ziplines.
And the storms will just push us.
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It'll be great.
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Hey, we got Dick on the phone here.
Let's
go to
Dick.
Got a couple of minutes here.
Dick.
Good morning.
What do you got on your mind?
Well, a quick observation.
Um, we have a president who, uh, you know, his whole purpose in life is a grievance campaign and going after political
opponents.
You have a vice president now who has a task force to deal with his personal problems.
And then time magazine comes along and puts, uh, Speaker Johnson on the cover and apparently they're saying,
and he's saying
It's all about him.
Yeah.
And who's done him wrong in the past?
Well, it's it's stuff he's imagining, Dick.
I mean, he's he's definitely got a he's got a he's got he's got paranoid personality disorder and a serious case of it.
He thinks everybody's out to get him and he's out to get even with them with the power of the government.
These small little things he's dealing with is just outrageous.
He's micromanaging the entire U.S.
economy and global economy at that.
Yeah, it's crazy.
I mean, you know, we're under the power of a madman.
All right.
Dick, thank you for that
call.
I
want to go on record a scene.
Okay,
thank you.
I mean, write that down right
now.
Okay.
All right.
Yeah.
All right, let's get to RFK Jr.
He is trying to kill all seniors in this country.
You know, do away with them right away.
Yeah, he's canceling the $500 million in funding for mRNA vaccines.
And they helped us live.
They helped us live.
Yeah.
So, I mean, now he's saying that none of that stuff really worked.
It's going to impact 22 projects being led by a major pharmaceutical company, including Pfizer and Moderna for vaccines against the bird flu of all things too.
This puts the U.S.
in a more dangerous position, it says here, to respond to any potential future pandemic.
We're weakening our frontline defense against fast-moving pathogens, a huge strategic failure that will be measured in lives lost during
the time of crisis and that is from the physicians union.
So this is, uh, this is a big deal.
And this, I mean, I hate to think that I'm going to be affected by the fact that I can't get a vaccine because of RFK juniors paranoia.
Yeah.
Again, this is another paranoid personality disorder.
Yeah.
What
is going on?
I don't
know.
The White House is filled with that.
Yeah.
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let's
uh let's go to amicus a law review jim santel is with us you filled in for uh uh maggie dawn maggie dawn yesterday afternoon and we listened to some of that program but it was a fantastic guest that you had on there uh we'll be filling in this this afternoon as well
from four to six
but we uh we have uh legal opinions that aren't really legal after all so
There's
a lot that's go for what it's worth just to make you feel better.
Yeah.
Turns out there's a lot of things going on in America that aren't legal also.
So, you know, join the group of people who, right?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
And if we're seeing on CNN this morning, it says, Vance visits Indiana to talk about redistricting with GOP leaders there.
This is happening all over.
doing it
everywhere,
nationally.
That's what they're trying for.
Where do you think this stands?
Yeah, not only to Greg Abbott and folks in Texas, he says, you know, I'm looking around the map and Missouri looks like a good candidate, Indiana, all those sort of things.
And so, you know, it is entirely possible that the great story and who knows, well, many great stories and great, not in terms of wonderful, but compelling, yeah, of the next 15 months before the election may well be.
redistricting going on in the nation.
We did this aga here in Wisconsin, other places again until the next cens
talking about line drawing in states around the country, not only, not only Republican states, but also Democratic states.
We've got Kathy Hochel from New York who's saying, maybe we should do that in New York.
You've got, obviously, J.B.
Pritzker just to the south of us here in Illinois.
Gavin Newsome, perhaps most notoriously out there talking about that in California.
This can very easily spread, obviously.
Nobody, nobody behaving well now, but we've got this situation where people are talking about fighting fire with fire and it could well take over the country.
Legislatures, states around the country.
changing their lines, and again, the timing of this probably could not be worse.
You change lines now and you redistrict, imagine doing that now in Wisconsin, and suddenly you've got new districts, you've got new categories of candidates out there, and voters are once again told you're no longer in this district or another, and all this has got to be set long before November, of course, so people can file their papers, can campaign.
We are doing this once again in America and we'll see how this spreads, but it is a fascinating and frankly terrifying movement in the wrong
direction creating creating chaos I mean it's
just
every I can't imagine what it'll be like if they if more
and
more states keep doing this or wanting to do this It's just gonna be a little nightmare
The other aspect of this that I found notable, my former boss, a fellow named Eric Holder, who used to be the attorney general, you were calling the Barack Obama administration, has spent all the time since his departure from office doing what?
Campaigning against gerrymandering, right?
Talking about how terrible it is.
Democrats and Republicans alike.
when Eric Holder, as he did a couple of days ago, comes out and says, you know what?
That entire initiative that I've been putting together and advancing for the past many years, I'm going to go in the opposite direction now.
I'm going to support gerrymandering because there's something greater that is at stake, which is the future of democracy.
Oh my.
And again, I admire him tremendously.
That took a lot of thought, I'm sure, on his part and underscores again.
the notion that reasonable, sensible people on both sides of the political aisle are now looking at this and thinking we've got to respond in some way to preserve our nation.
And that includes Eric Holder, who may be advocating now for changing lines in the next 12 to 15 months.
Wow.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I saw an interview with the representative Jasmine Crockett.
She was talking about the Democrats leaving Texas.
And the thing here is that she mentioned, and she's from Texas, that the Trump administration with their famous magic marker had redrawn the districts themselves.
And they sent it to the Republicans in Texas to do that kind of gerrymandering.
They already came up with the districts.
And that is from the president of the United States calling the shots on redistricting in Texas, which is stunning, absolutely stunning.
Isn't it?
It is.
And there's a completely silly aspect of this.
The serious one, of course, is...
This is, again, we've got this thing in America called federalism, which is we've got a federal government, and it kind of takes care of things on the federal side.
And then we have state governments, right?
And the notion is that the state governments and states do have states' rights, and they take care of their own management.
Here you've got just the opposite.
You've got the White House, apparently, with lots of time in its hand.
And this is the silly thing, taking out its Sharpie.
Remember the President's use of that Sharpie to re-describe the path of a hurricane very publicly a few years ago?
Completely wrong.
We're doing it again, this time with even more seriousness, and saying, this is what you should do, the Republicans in Texas saying, oh, okay, what is this?
Let's take a look at this, have a hearing, and what have the Democrats stayed in Texas?
This would have gotten a vote, Monday, Tuesday of this week, and maybe Thursday in the Senate here.
This could be the new law in Texas.
Whenever this gets resolved, you've got Greg Abba threatening not only litigation, but also arrests and all kinds of things, ordering the vacation, meaning vacating those seats, declaring them empty.
This is a fight, and this has been generated by the White House.
You're a good point.
Well, you know, Abbott is forgetting, though, that it's in the Texas Constitution the ability to at least leave the state or not provide a quorum.
It's guaranteed in their Constitution.
right and they and they've done this twice before and nothing's happened this is all just smoke and mirrors you know arresting them and and taking out their seats it's it can't happen it's not allowable but they're at least getting some press on it and it's all a lie
Right.
And again, yesterday on Maggie's Doe, we spent a little time talking about the history.
It goes back into the 19th century and there's some very notable events when members of the House and the Senate there ran away from Texas.
That's a big thing to do.
And they basically deprived the legislature of its quorum, which is once again going on now.
It had to do with, again, some equally crazy legislation and other things way back in the late 1800s involving establishing
war powers for the governor.
Okay.
We don't want to pass that, right?
And other things as late as the 20th century.
Also, we're leaving because we want to do this.
There is a precedent.
There is there is basis for doing it.
And we're at it again.
Meantime, what about education?
What about environment?
What about commerce?
What about all kinds of other things that the states can in fact
should be doing health care, all kinds of things.
Now we're playing these games now because we've got some political focus
here.
Keeping focus is very difficult for this administration because they're all over the map.
We've got Pam Bondi, the AG going out there, going after Obama now for supposedly encouraging that investigation on Russia's involvement in Trump's election, which is just insane.
Obviously, it was his department, well, not even his department, you know, the AG and you had the FBI and you have everybody involved in this investigation.
A report came out and said, yes, they were involved.
Everything, I don't know.
I guess encouraging, you know, getting to the bottom of Russia and interfering in our elections was something that is now termed bad or illegal or unconstitutional and they're going after them criminally for this.
All right.
And both of your points are spot on.
One is we've got some of the history.
This administration is not good with calendaring things, right?
Trying to figure out, wait, who is responsible when people talk about Barack Obama not responding sufficiently to 9-11?
Not quite good in terms of who is in the White House at the time, that sort of thing.
Here's another one of those.
And this was obviously in the wake of the 2000 election.
It was Donald Trump's Department of Justice under the Deputy Attorney General who initiated this investigation a year later.
Again, Bob Mueller reports that, yeah, there wasn't conspiracy in a criminal sense, but there was certainly parallelism between the campaign in Russia.
And most important, the point you just made, which is easily eight, nine, 10 instances of my president engaging in other crimes called obstruction of justice.
and trying to stop this investigation.
An awful lot of people think he was successful in doing that by not permitting the disclosure of things that would have shown the very collusion to the conspiracy that Bob Mueller found was not there.
In the end, for what it's worth, as I often do, it's an equal opportunity view of what happened here.
The Democrats did not pursue that on impeachment.
He was never charged with any of that.
The statute has now run.
But again, it underscores that the report is still there.
And the report indicates clearly that Donald Trump in 2017, the first months of his presidency, engaged in crimes in office.
And the notion now that we turn that around and say, well, wait a minute, this is all about things that Barack Obama, maybe Hillary Clinton, maybe probably Jim Comey is marched in there somehow.
This is ridiculous.
It makes no sense, as you said in your prior segment.
Let's just call it a conspiracy.
Let's call it a hoax.
And the question is, what is the conspiracy?
What is that?
Who's doing what?
Tell me that.
Don't just use these words and the answer is this administration just uses those words with the idea that well, nobody will look more closely as you do as we do and ask those questions.
It's simply drawing that attention.
by the language that is incendiary.
And that's what she's doing once again.
Talking with Jim Santel, attorney and host of Amicus, a law review.
Jim, I want to, speaking of crimes in office, what about this get together about Epstein and all the files?
So they were
going to have a little get
together with the vice president and Pam Bondi and.
And then they called it
off.
When they discovered it was happening, and then, of course, Trump came out there and said, what are you talking about?
I've never heard of this.
Yeah.
Right.
So where are we?
It's just more and more common, right?
Yeah.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Who knows, right?
Again, this is the latest just silliness related to this issue.
And again, we underscore the notion that this is tragic, right, for many, many people, including the victims.
Yes.
including, frankly, the justice system.
There is a man who committed suicide in prison.
That is a tragedy.
You've got another person who is in prison for 20 years.
It's all tragic, all around.
Nothing good to come of this.
And how dare you?
How dare you, Mr. President, pursue this in some way that would suggest that you can get political gain out of it.
And the same with Pambadi and other people out there.
Yeah.
Well, we want to get to something you talked about yesterday on Maggie Dawn's show.
You had a guest on Fantastic Guest.
And I want to get to one topic that you were talking about recently in the news about cameras and taking pictures of cars and license plates.
I want to get to that.
It was a fascinating discussion.
All right.
We'll do that right after we do this.
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All right.
All
right, Jim.
The name of the game here is chaos.
This country is an absolute chaos.
Today was the big day that all the tariffs took effect.
The big tariffs took effect.
And of course, there's a court case that took place recently arguing that
Trump does not have the power to raise tariffs or do anything that he's doing currently right now.
I gotta ask you, what could possibly, I know it'll go to the Supreme Court, but seriously, the rest of the world is going to be sitting there paying these tariffs when in fact it may be determined to be illegal for the president to do something like this.
What can happen at this
point?
Again, I think your invocation of the word chaos is of anything understated, right?
Dramatically.
And if you are any of these foreign leaders and you find yourself having to take a look at what the federal circuit, which is one of the appeals courts in the United States of America.
entertain and how they responded to this recent oral argument, all of them looking at the government's lawyers, yes, our lawyers, meaning your lawyers and the Department of Justice, all of them, all the judges saying, where is the authority for this?
And there's a statute that the president has invoked that has nothing to do with tariffs, and that's not the justification.
And it's highly likely, again, that this federal circuit is going to say, you've got no authority.
All of this, all of this is wrong.
And what do we do then, as
you
say, if we've got right, right?
And do you have it does do all of these countries then?
seek the rescission of this.
That's a good
refund.
Exactly.
And file your form with the Federal Circuit Clerk of Court and they'll reimburse you for any damages done.
It is silly to talk that way, but it's also dramatically serious.
And you'd like to think in the end, I'll go, though, again, we've all stopped predicting normalcy when it comes to our Supreme Court.
but that on something this fundamental, it's in the Constitution, Article 1, as you have said.
It's
the legislature that decides these things.
You'd like to think that whether it's Amy Coney Barrett or John Robertson, and some cobbled together majority of the court would say, no, this is too much.
This is too far.
You can't do this.
And again,
would
that happen?
I highly like this.
We'll go up to the Supreme Court.
Again, timing, depending upon how quickly they could act quickly on it, they probably won't.
Do we get an opinion in June of next year on this, on that issue?
I
know chaos
chaos in and out of the courts.
Well, you know just delaying it that long and it creates the chaos continue to flood the courts with more legal action and while you know we're discussing the fact that he doesn't have the power to do this the official government website deleted or
removed sections nine and ten of the Constitution, which deals with the power of the Congress doing these things instead of the president.
And they're gone.
And I guess the White House is saying, oh, this is just a glitch that we're having on the website that takes out section nine and ten of the Constitution.
And I love this legal scholar.
Lawrence Tribe wrote this literally erasing two key parts of the Constitution.
Right.
This is like the Grinch, right?
I'm going to take away your presence and remove the, I'm going to remove reality, right?
And so thankfully, old people like me, I still have as do you.
And I know Dom does as well.
He's got it right there in his right hand.
You've got your paper copies of the Constitution.
Right.
And you can still go to the bookstore right there down the street from you there at the UW Madison bookstore.
And you can still buy real, complete copies of it.
And don't have to go on the internet.
And maybe that's where I headed now.
And maybe we send those to the president, to the attorney general and say, oh, wait, look, I've got a real version here.
Maybe that's our latest initiative.
We got to pick them up right after the show.
We can type that stuff back in.
Let's talk very quickly about the the attorney you talked to yesterday about public safety and that's auto safety.
Tell us a little bit about your discussion about the cameras being used to take photos of license plates and cars.
Sure.
This is Sandy Pendleton.
He's an attorney, another one of us who are moving around loose and doing some good things out there.
And on
these
days, not necessarily mine.
But he has made reckless driving a part of his focus.
And he identifies, obviously, the nature of the problem, which we have all seen in Milwaukee, beyond other cities in Wisconsin, identifies both technological and regulatory ways of addressing the issue.
The tech piece is cameras.
And again, you think, gee, another George Orwell
everybody looking at us and it's not that what it does is and it's been effective in those states that have done it.
It's not facial recognition.
We're not using any of this to to put you in prison for for four and five years.
What we are in fact doing is identifying your car so that we can ensure that the laws are enforced and we are safer out there on the streets.
Jim, we have to leave it there.
We appreciate it.
You can always listen to Jim on Saturday.
Yeah.
on Amicus, a law review on the Civic Media Radio Network.
We'll talk to you again soon, Jim.
Thank you.
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Yep, so many things to get to.
Yes.
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