Student Loan Forgiveness (Hour 1)

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Student Loan Forgiveness (Hour 1)

John & Gordy · Thu Aug 7, 2025

Kathryn Lake

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92.7 it's John and Gordy sitting in.

For another big day of neocracy I can't wait to get to all the stuff that has happened in just the last 24 damn hours Never a lack of material no

No, there really isn't, sadly.

It just keeps coming.

You know, I wouldn't mind getting to a little medical information, you know, maybe a little tech stuff, going back in time, seeing how tech was back then.

It's actually not much different than today, but it's just larger.

That's all.

Anyway.

More intrusive.

I'd love to, you know, just broaden the spectrum a little bit, but, you know, we're dealing with a guy on the spectrum.

And, you know, we have a deeply troubled individual in the White House, and every day we have to talk about this son of a gun.

I am taught.

I am so tired of this stuff.

Well, let's take a day off.

Every stupid thing this guy does, every

dumb thing he

does, we have to talk about it.

It's the headline each and every day, like the tariffs are kicking in today.

Yeah.

Oh, well, that's the dumbest thing we could possibly do, but let's talk about it all the time.

Okay.

Good morning.

Hey, how's it

going?

I don't know who that was.

That's John Peterson.

Somebody walked in here, sounded pretty much like me, and just walked out.

I have no idea how that happened.

We

got to lock

the

doors.

You sounded civil when you walked in here.

I didn't know it was going to be like that.

You know, a minute in.

Yeah, you're holding back, man.

Well, take a breath.

John?

Who, me?

Yeah,

you.

Oh,

take a

breath.

Good morning.

That's John.

I'm Gordy.

Dom is

in the producer booth.

flipping the switches and pushing the buttons.

And it's a pretty nice start today, although it's muggy already.

You can tell it's going to be

humid today.

Uh, 68 degrees now in highs and mid 80s.

You got new glasses.

I forgot my glasses at home.

Oh, these were in the glove box.

They look, they look fine.

Yeah.

It's my buddy Holly glass.

Okay.

I like them.

Well, thank you.

It's a good look for us.

Well, it used to be a good look.

I Moved on from here.

Okay, but let's try it, you know and by the way it goes with my my black shirt today Okay, black rim glasses.

Mm-hmm.

Wondering you look studious You

look very student.

Yeah, you can always tune in and watch behind the scenes on Facebook

or

YouTube or X are we on X anymore?

I don't know.

Nobody knows.

Nope.

It's now everyone's straying away from X now.

Is that right?

Yeah

But that was voluntary.

Have we voluntarily straight away from X?

Is that

what's happened?

Yes.

Really?

I think everyone, all the shows, kind of voluntarily straight away.

No kidding.

I could be wrong.

No one asked me.

I'd love it to be there.

Oh, well, OK.

Well, that's Tony.

You know, enemy territory, that's where I'd like to just hang out.

A little bit later on, we'll talk to Tim Slucker.

from Busted Pencils, got the latest on education.

And there was an incident involving Linda McMahon that we'll take a look at.

Yeah.

Listen to.

And Jim Santel will join us.

Attorney at law.

So that's what's coming up a little bit later on.

No.

Yeah.

Catherine said FX.

FX.

Oh, okay.

She talking about FX, the channel FX, or is she saying?

Oh, the F is separate from the X, I get it.

You can text them.

A lot of people were watching us on X from what I remember.

Is that right?

Yeah, they were.

Well, I didn't know that.

Okay.

Well, you know, Sam kept us updated on it.

We had a lot of viewers on X.

And maybe we bring it back.

Maybe today I'll...

I'll talk to my

clientele,

investigate.

We'll see what happens, you know.

We do have that cut from London McMahon.

Coming up, we'll play it for Tim Slecker to see what he thinks of the fiasco.

And by the way, the interesting part of it is Scott Walker was interviewing her to her own former governor.

He's

trying to get back in the limelight.

He's

trying to throw his hat in the ring again.

Maybe run for governor

again.

He said he wasn't going to do it.

Yeah, he said he wasn't going to do it.

Maybe, you know, demand will ask him to come back.

But anyway, he managed to throw a few cuts out there at the liberals.

Right.

And then, you know, the response is.

at least from one poster, he says, well, this is just how desperate the liberals and Democrats are.

Oh, really?

Oh, really?

That's desperate?

No, no, we're not that desperate.

We're just throwing sand into the gear mechanisms here.

What's wrong?

What's wrong with protesting, you know?

Free speech, right?

Are they trying to

cancel it?

Is Scott Walker trying to cancel us?

I don't know.

Yeah.

All right So this replaces the national day calendar

I just wonder does Scott have an actual job right now is he still doing the what he was doing before the Head

of that

student organization or whatever it was.

Yes.

Yes.

Yeah, right?

Yeah young Americans

or something.

Yeah.

Okay.

You know, I

can't

believe this.

What's the problem?

What are you?

I forgot my glasses at home.

I left my coffee mug out in the car.

What the hell is going on?

You know, I had a hell of a day yesterday.

I gotta tell you, man, I did not have a good day.

All

the charging stations around my house,

you know, I can't

put a charging station in my house until Middleton approves the Gizmo and

Gadget that I want to add on to my electrical box.

Okay, so I'm waiting and waiting and waiting for my electrician to call me up and say it's a go I'm going to these charging stations all over the place and all of them were taken yesterday Oh, no, so I went all the way downtown here on East Washington Avenue to charge my car.

It's a fast charge, right?

I'm there I'm there and every time I go there to fast charge the company that has the fast chargers Never recognizes my account.

They don't know who I am.

I'm signed up.

I have a charge

on your on your account and And then I can't get it I can't get the charge going and then I get back into the car.

I'm really mad I've got the car.

I've got my phone in my hand.

I'm texting them and and then On my dash it says my battery is low.

Oh Yeah, the 12 volt battery.

Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, well battery the little one that starts the car so Then the whole car just shut down

That's scary.

Well, everybody's car shuts down if the battery dies completely.

You don't

really do anything, right?

So I'm sitting there, yeah, and it's hot, and it's very hot in the car, and I'm there trying to get a hold of the EV center, and I'm thinking, no, this isn't working.

I can't get a charge.

My car battery just died in front of me.

And then I call up my new insurance company, which is another story altogether.

And I call them up and get the towing service.

And it took four hours for the tow truck to get there.

So this is from one to five.

You're just sitting there?

Yes.

No, I was walking around all over the places around the Sylvie, you know.

Oh, you sure?

Yeah.

So I'm there.

I'm there for.

like four hours getting a lot of sun by the way no show prep I am just like you know I'm thinking what the heck I've got two programs to do tomorrow and and finally they they they find out the guy that was originally supposed to come out and told me it was kind of

hung up on a previous toe job.

But he never let anybody know, so I'm sitting in there for four hours.

I should have actually called a few hundred times before that.

But anyway, this other guy comes out, he's fantastic.

This guy knows everything.

He's a great guy.

I gave him, you know, a 10 in the ratings, even though

I

waited

four hours.

He's got a 10 spot.

I thought you meant a $10 bill.

No,

no, no.

So

anyway,

it was just a, you know, so I'm like, I'm extended a little bit here and I'm a little stressed.

So life ain't

treating me good.

So did you ever get the car charged back up again?

Or did he

just have to tow it back to your house?

Well, I thought maybe if he just gave me a jump, yeah, it worked.

I drove to the dealership.

Oh.

and set it off there.

The thing I found out was, and I signed up for Carfax, I believe it is.

And I signed up for that, and I found out there's a recall on my car that hasn't been taken care of yet.

And this recall is for an item that does affect the car battery.

The car battery doesn't get a recharge.

You know how the whole system works together?

It charges the battery all the time.

But it wasn't working, and that's one of the problems.

So it's at the dealership getting taken care of I see so I'm just You know if it isn't one thing it's the other Couple

of glitches in the new space

car.

You'll get it worked out.

No, it's like any other glitch.

It's the damn 12 volt battery It has nothing to do with the big gigantic battery that sits in the center of that car and makes me move

Very good.

Don't egg me on, please.

Don't egg me

on.

Would I do that?

No.

I wouldn't trigger you.

Hey, let's get to, would you rather?

What do you think?

Yeah, that would be a good idea.

Because it's time.

Here we go.

Everybody's strapping.

Try to understand what you're saying here.

There we go.

Okay

first

question would you rather eat a meal this one's gonna be gross Would you rather eat not really gross, but would you rather eat a meal of cow tongue or octopus?

Octopus isn't- people eat octopus, you know?

Well,

yes, Mr. 20- Mr. 22.

We do eat octopus.

Yes, the delicacy is great stuff.

I love octopus.

Yeah, I'd go with octopus, definitely.

Yeah, I think I would go octopus, too.

I also feel like people have cow tongue, too.

I could be wrong there.

Oh, yeah, no,

that's-

Is that

common?

It's probably not healthy.

All right, what else

okay?

All right, I would say cow tongue, but um second question Would you rather live at the

top you said you're gonna go with cow tongue instead of

I want to try I've tried octopus before and I just just I didn't like it.

No, it's just

It doesn't, it sits wrong with me in my stomach.

Almost everything does.

Mac and cheese does.

Alright, second question.

I think I have a dairy issue.

I

think you do.

Alright, second question.

Would you rather live at the top of a tall New York City apartment building or at the top of a mountain secluded away from everyone by yourself?

Little shack, and he's not a shack.

You would go apartment?

Oh, sure.

New York?

Sure.

You would do New York?

Oh, yeah.

That was the choice,

yeah.

Yeah, okay.

They have high speed internet there.

Why would they go onto a mountain

top where

they

don't have any internet at all?

What are you, crazy?

What, you're

Mr. T. Yeah.

You're 22 years old.

You live on tech.

How could you possibly ask that question?

I

feel like it would be nice at the top of a mountain.

You know, I could be away from all the issues.

I can live without any clothes on.

I can walk.

Kind of cold up there on the mountain.

There's a lot of bugs and mosquitoes.

You don't want to

walk around naked.

It's a warm mountain, OK?

It's a warm mountain.

All right, there we go.

That's all we got for Would You Rather For today.

How do you like that?

We used our imaginations in that

one.

You're a bit more creative.

All righty, it is 619 and coming up right around the corner, Professor Dr. Tim Slecker will be joining us for today, talking about education and Linda McMahon.

The incident involving Scott Walker.

Yes, and a little bit later on Jim Santel joins us in our 7 o'clock hour We're just getting going on this Thursday morning.

You're listening to John and Gordy in the morning right here on WM DX

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at 622 partly sunny skies and Temperatures today will go up to the mid-80s We were right before one way there for a moment.

We were talking with Dom about his newfound hobby of

being nude

guys I was kidding okay don't take that serious please I promise I promise I don't maybe every now and then I run around in my apartment like that but other than that no I I'm not gonna go on a top of mountain I'm not

gonna do well you know it

reminds me of the old days

Maze of Mani, they had a nude beach out there.

You went there many times, didn't you, John?

I went there

a couple of times, actually.

I did, yeah.

It's no longer there, apparently.

No, no.

They closed it down.

I was going to ask, where is this at?

If

I'm not mistaken, I think it was actually Scott Walker that managed to close the damn thing, along with the Republican.

No kidding.

Jury-mandered Republicans.

They decided that having one nude beach in the state was one too many.

And I think that's very sad.

I went there with somebody who was in a wheelchair.

Oh, really?

Who wanted to go there.

Oh,

no kidding.

Yeah.

So I helped her fulfill that dream.

Wow.

Yeah.

And so

it

happened to be near Maisamani, near the Wisconsin River,

right?

Yes, it's on the river.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So what was it like wheeling this person down to the beach?

It wasn't it wasn't easy on sand, but you know, I mean, you know what the heck?

It was very interesting.

Everything was fine.

You know, I always wondered how how they know where to go for the beach because the sandbars and everything changes over time.

Even the shoreline even shoreline does.

They didn't have the signs and everything how to get there.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, I don't know why, you know, people want to infringe on other people's rights to attend a nude beach.

I don't get it.

It doesn't make any sense to me, but they managed to do it.

That was a shocking moment in my life.

Here, you know, I haven't finished my story yet.

I was standing in the parking lot for four hours waiting for a tow truck to come.

I take my car to the dealership.

Oh, okay.

Well, let's go with part two.

You know, I was hanging out.

And I was there walking around.

You know, I went to a cargo cafe.

Oh, that's a nice place.

And the brewery right across the street.

Vintage brewery?

Yeah, vintage.

And then this guy walked up to me.

He walked up to me.

He said, well, what brings you out here?

I said, well.

Well, I'm waiting for a tow truck.

He says, I don't believe you.

I didn't expect that answer.

And I said, you know what?

I don't think I care.

It's like an NPC interaction there.

Somebody tried to pick a fight

with

you or something?

Yes,

he actually did.

I think I was infringing on his territory of panhandling.

I don't know.

He didn't panhandle.

I was there.

I said, well, why are you here?

He said, well, why do you think I'm here?

I said, I don't know.

And I don't care, I should leave me alone.

Really?

Yeah.

I mean, I almost got to fighting it out.

Fist of Cuffs?

Yeah.

Oh, hit it when the fist of cuffs come out.

I just told him to leave me alone.

And he didn't.

He just hung out there.

He was just, he was bothering me constantly.

When you said you had a bad day yesterday, I didn't think it was going to be this bad.

It was like the whole rest of your afternoon.

It just tumbles on you when things are going bad.

Man.

That's awful.

Almost had a fight.

Out on East Washington Avenue.

Oh my God.

Wow, we're happy.

The infamous East Side, folks.

Yeah, well.

You know, West Siders and East Siders don't get along for some reason.

He just knew I was from the West

Side.

That's it.

I think you're onto something there.

You better stay where you belong here in the West Side.

So the car is at the dealership and they're going to check it out.

They're going to do the upgrade, whatever you need to be upgraded because they didn't take care of it with a recall.

Right.

Right.

Something like that.

Yeah.

Now it's taken care of.

It's going to be a free job, but I don't know how long it's going to be held up now.

You know, the parts and stuff like that.

So we'll see what happens.

But yeah, I do have the ever dependable hybrid car that I have.

Prius.

Prius.

The speedy little red Prius.

Good.

Because you need, you know, you need transportation.

Eric texted us saying sand in wheelchairs don't mix.

No kidding.

No, it actually worked out.

It actually worked out.

Yeah.

I was kind of surprised, but the whole thing worked out.

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Yeah, John.

Yeah.

Well, you know, it's nice to know that the Brewers are are the best team in the in baseball right now.

Major league baseball.

They won their whole road series.

Yeah.

Six games.

Six.

Oh,

it's just

amazing.

And we were we were there at this at the beginning of those climb to the top.

Well, yeah, they've been a hot team all year round.

But now there are four games ahead of the Cubs.

We're going to talk to Mike Clemens when we fill in with Maggie Dawn today.

Yes,

later on.

We're going to be back on.

They're giving us another two hours this afternoon because, well, we're

We're going to just talk about my day yesterday.

That's all.

That's it.

Two hours.

We've got to push all the information on all the news later on.

Yeah, I can't wait.

That'll be fun.

That's always

a good time.

Oh, yeah, thank

you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So we'll check in with Mike Clemens this afternoon.

I think we might be going to another baseball game.

Oh, yeah, we're working on that.

And we're going to take more listeners to see a Brewers game.

We'll reveal more details as we get a little bit closer.

Yeah, I can't

keep a secret.

I think

I know you

can.

We're going to.

OK, never mind.

629.

When we come back, Tim Slicker will join us from Busted Pencils here on John and Gordy.

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us.

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It is 635 beautiful sunshine in Madison this morning.

Looking good out on State Street.

We'll see some clouds at times and highs in the mid to upper 80s.

You know what you're avoiding here is you're avoiding the dew point.

I was just saying you

are.

You are.

It's

going to be humid.

I may have mentioned the humidity was going to

go up.

We were talking about the

humidity

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It's 90% humidity

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That's what I was trying to say.

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I know we are becoming very uncomfortable.

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I know the students are probably just mostly sleeping in their computer chairs.

Probably.

That's what I'm thinking.

What do you think?

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Oh

So what's on your mind?

I know it's kind of frustrating the whole thing, you know, that's taking place You know you guys in education now have to compete with ice and I think that's a fascinating piece of news lately Yeah, tell us a little bit about this.

Well, you know, it's

Again, it's kind of one of these stories that it's not really, but it was interesting, the headline, all on student loan forgiveness.

Quickly, my daughter this weekend who gets her news feed, I don't check her news feed and I don't censor it.

She's 22, but dad!

What is this?

Ice is getting student loan forgiveness?

What?

That's right.

You know, and my student loan forgiveness was denied.

This is horrible, dad.

They're gonna, I don't know, I just, you know, I thought I was messing around there.

I was like, well, you know, I mean.

Who knows?

It's a good place to start, I guess.

You know, I'm like, you know, student loan forgiveness for you is actually student loan forgiveness for me.

Yeah, that's right.

You know

what?

You know,

if you got to do, if you got to do a couple of years in ICE, I'm okay with that.

Yeah.

So that was ICE's offer,

right?

For new

employees,

like $50,000 and

student

loan forgiveness.

But you know, and

It really did touch a nerve, and it should have if the story actually was true in the sense that it presented it as if, you know, hey, student loan forgiveness is off the tables, except for if you're going to, you know, get in line with this administration because they're going to offer student loans.

It's not really that.

What it is is that ICE, if you work for ICE, you're a federal employee and as a federal employee or a public employee, public employees are eligible for student loan forgiveness.

Right now currently under the public student loan forgiveness program, which is available for all public servants Currently, okay?

What what what was the twist here was is that there's also a potential $50,000 signing bonus with ice That if you get into ice and so the story wraps those together and it then comes across for my

my daughter and who's reading it as, oh my God, they are going to give student loan forgiveness for ICE, but me, who is probably going to work in the national parks as a wildlife coordinator, I'm not allowed to get student loan forgiveness.

Dad, oh my God, this is the worst country in the world.

I want to go to Finland.

Well, you know, your daughter has been pretty outspoken.

since a very young age.

So it's nice to hear that she's angry about the whole thing.

And plus, and you mentioned it as well, that the forest employees were working free for a long

time.

you know but it wasn't we brought this up for our sessions on wednesdays for classes and session because um you know and this is where i think people would have been like oh this is propaganda and you guys would have just went with it i'm saying no we this is an opportunity to to teach that um you know what was the intent of this article because

Underneath there was you know, the truth is public student loan forgiveness is still an option for everybody It is fraught with all kinds of difficulties Is there the possibility that this article was really meant?

to inflame a certain population of people.

And so when we see things like this, it's, you know, this is just simple media literacy.

What does it mean to be able to read and then dig deeper and understand what was the intent of what I read, who wrote it, and what are the truth and the facts there?

And these are things that, you know, we should be teaching all students all the time.

Well, you'd find out.

more if you just

use AI, Tim.

The whole idea of and you brought this up, I thought it was interesting, student loan forgiveness.

They're forgiving

and forgetting

education.

When you brought that up, it

was a

revelation.

Well, I mean, I mean, that always was the part, you know, this is like the Biden administration.

We're getting elected on.

giving student loans and I'm just like right away from me it was just like what a horrible marketing tactic you know it presents people getting college degrees as you know bad people who yes you know your sins are forgiven how dare you go

and learn about things.

But again, how you package these things.

So when it comes across as forgiveness, it was very easy for Trump and people on the right who wanted to position this as a problem.

was is that you know wait a minute these were going to give forgiveness and it sounds like some kind of a handout and that it's going to come out a you taxpayer and how horrible this is and uh again you know

Horrible horrible horrible the reality to even on the the forgiveness and the taxpayer was is that you know we've worked with some student loan experts and There there's no taxpayer hit to canceling Student loan debt student loan debt the interest alone every year that's collected pays for

the funds that went out to give student loans and so the idea that taxpayers would be on the take or uh you know to pay to pay off my daughter who dared go to college to learn about animals it's just nonsense and so we say we cancel a bad

debt that's what it should have been framed as yeah these were bad debts these were predatory loans these were set up to create profit for

the government there's no forgiving anything here it's canceling a predatory loan that goes after a significant population of people who are in a position to be preyed upon because they need the money to go to college so that you know there's a whole other rant for you guys absolutely I

feel it coming on yeah but but here's the thing I mean it doesn't ask

asked the question, then why did Biden's program not make it, not work?

Why was it unconstitutional?

Why does the Supreme Court come down on it when it's already a program for federal employees,

you know?

Well, what they did, though, was that they denied that initial student loan forgiveness that Biden put forward, that everybody was eligible for $10,000 of just

blanket

forgiveness.

It didn't matter what your major was, everybody could qualify for that.

And then students with Pell grants were also eligible for up to 20,000.

That's what was struck down by the Supreme Court.

The public student loan forgiveness program that was implemented in 2007, I think, under the Obama administration.

that has always been in place and that's been put, you know, has continues to operate.

It's a disaster.

It's a mess.

People who go for it typically spend, you know, years.

Oh, wait.

I'm now eligible for my loans to be wiped out, but I have one more payment.

Wow.

Thank

you.

There's the deal.

Right.

Yeah.

We're talking to Dr. Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils, and let's move on

to Linda McMahon.

Should we get to Linda McMahon?

She was being interviewed by Scott Walker at the Young America Foundation's National Conservative Student Conference in DC.

This is yesterday or day before.

And something happened while she was being interviewed, right?

Yes, yeah.

Let's play it

for Tim here.

Okay.

We're going to take this.

The funding will come from the Department of Education.

Apparently

the CCP didn't like that they're cutting into our technology.

We're getting a little feedback in here.

But he had used some staff changes pretty quickly as people understood what his...

working style was and he understood you know them so but this time you know he knew he knew the story he knew how to you know how to make things work how to make things run he had the people coming in that he really wanted to work with him and and then he'd have this little cab

You know, sometimes kids in college take a gap year.

Well, he didn't voluntarily take a gap term.

But I think it turned out to be an incredible thing for him.

Well, there you go.

Circus music underneath the window.

Wow.

Perfect.

That was hacked,

apparently, during the conversation

there.

The

speaker set up.

They needed better circus

music here.

That's what they should have hacked.

They should have hacked it with that.

It was nice and

clear.

Yeah, but that was very weird.

So, yeah.

And then Scott Walker, of course, you know, blame the liberal sport.

But, you know, as usual, Scott Walker is wrong and he's talking to Linda McMahon, two people.

You can't can imagine talking about it.

You know.

education at all.

I mean, Scott Walker brought education to its knees in Wisconsin, defunded everything.

And the man, of course, is taking the department apart.

So

everything too.

Yep.

Well, I can't believe we're already going to take a break here.

Yeah.

Whoa.

We'll continue,

though.

We'll get to more, though.

We'll talk about defunding public broadcast.

Yes, we'll get into that with Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils on Johnny Gordy in the mornings.

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We have sunshine today.

Highs in the mid to upper 80s.

It's going to feel hot.

Very hot.

Very sticky out there.

The two points are rising, even as we speak.

So just, you know, stay

with the air conditioning.

Stay with me.

That's

all.

Okay.

652.

Let's

get

back to Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils.

And we want to talk about PBS and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting has been disbanded.

by the Trump administration.

Now the PBS is suing the Trump administration, arguing the defunding is unconstitutional.

We'll see where

that goes.

That's interesting.

I didn't know that.

Yeah.

And lawsuit echoes similar arguments made by NPR.

you know national public radio another public media organization targeted by defunding efforts so they're fighting back on this but you know it's going to be devastating for some of the smaller public broadcasting stations that may just have to you know shut down right out in the country

you'd think that somewhere along the way tim that uh when you come out and say we're getting rid of woke

that maybe that would sway the judge or at least a decision in all of this.

It's purely political.

It has nothing to do with anything else.

This is censorship.

This is government censorship.

That's what it

is.

Yeah, it's that.

And, you know, it really creates this sense of going like, like, what is it about Mr. Rogers?

and Big Bird that is so offensive to conservatives who for 40 plus years have been fully engaged in trying to get to the point they've finally reached this, you know, this year with with the Trump administration because this isn't

a Trump issue here.

This is a long standing historical battle.

And in fact, we, you know, we covered that.

It was 1968 or 69 when Fred Rogers testified to the Senate

about

why the Corporation for Public Broadcasting needed to be continued to be funded.

And

You know, he did an incredible job.

I take everybody, you know, we played a portion of it on the show, you know, go YouTube and look at look it up.

And, you know, he makes the case of saying, this is the type of programming that is quality.

And when it came at that point, there was a Republican senator who after listening to Fred Rogers talk said, you know what?

what are we doing give him the money my god give him the money a reasonableness but um yeah what is it we frame it as woke and all of a sudden yeah get get rid of it and you know is it out of their uh viewpoints on pbs that are quote you know more uh

I don't know.

Is it left-leaning?

Or is it more liberal democracy supporting?

And that's the question we want to start always trying to dig out.

It's like, what is it about PBS?

And it has always stood as this kind of, I guess in one way, it's an anti-capitalist

corporation, right?

You know, they're not making it on their own.

It's why should the taxpayers fund these liberal woke agenda pushing people, you know, Fred Rogers and Big Bird?

Well, we have that cut in our, in our stack of

stuff and we're looking for it in in our files

here

because I played it it was a really moving moment and the reason why Fred Rogers you know said that it was so important to have public broadcasting in the first place

yeah and

he was

talking to a senator John pastore yeah right and he was going for they were they were trying to go from 20 million dollars down to 10 million dollars and that was what the that was what the

the committee meeting was about.

I'm trying to get that cut over.

And

one of the things that a lot of people forget is that there were a number of programs and public broadcasting that were conservative.

Yeah.

What one of the most popular programs ever on public broadcasting, which is I can't think of right now firing line fire line.

Yeah William F. Buckley.

Yes, exactly.

One of the biggest programs ever in the history of conservative broadcasting.

Right.

It was on public radio TV, public TV.

Yes.

So there it is.

I know this doesn't make any sense, of course.

Again, none of this ever made any sense.

They're attack on it.

But I think anytime that you actually go out and report on the news in an impartial way, it's always liberal and it's always progressive and it's always bad, right?

Yeah, John, that's what it was.

It was just like, okay, you know, the largely the most objective news out there, right?

For some reason, you know,

Objective news is liberal.

Yeah And you know and and and that's just like you know, how do you get to that and I I think again we study History we look at moments like this where you know Fred Rogers shows up speaks eloquently gently Truth and that truth comes across as saying you know if you're listening anybody who hears that says wait a minute

we're going to do away with, you know, this man and the type of programming that he's been bringing, you know, and at this point too, and was it 68, he hadn't even been doing this that long, right?

Yes.

You know, and so you think about that and you say it's quality programming.

And

You know, it just... I don't even

know.

You know, this is going to take a quality programming away from future generations as well.

And I

think that's the huge effect here.

It's a problem.

We know what

it was like and it was great.

It was fantastic.

Great programming.

Kids were brought up on it.

And now it's not going to be like that.

I don't know what parents are going to do.

Well, we have to leave it there.

Tim Slecker, thank you for joining us.

We encourage you to check out Tim and Johnny's

podcast.

Yes.

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Pay attention Saturday.

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