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John and Gordy in the morning, along with Dom, our engineer, we're ready to go, aren't we?
We are.
I mean, this is going to be a nice day today, except for a few of the rising dew points.
Right.
Oh, but I think so.
Okay.
And then that'll be very uncomfortable for me, and I'll have to stay home.
You know, I've been invited to go to the Dells with my relatives.
Which relatives?
My sister, my, well, no, my brother-in-law.
So my brother-in-law is here in town.
They're
from Wyoming.
And
they want to go to the Dells and have some fun up there.
And I'm...
Kind of kicking around the idea, though, I have to prepare for two shows tomorrow.
Well, are they in town now?
Yes.
Are they staying at your place?
Yeah.
No, they're not staying at our place.
They have a motel, I would assume.
OK.
Is
it going to be over the weekend?
Like they're just, you're going to the Dells over the weekend?
No,
tomorrow.
Tomorrow, today.
No, we'd be going today, so I, you know, I'd get in the way of my preparations for the two shows that I have to do with Gordy tomorrow.
So, you know, it's like, trying to get this done, you know.
I'd like to go there.
I don't know what we do, you know.
There's so much to do.
Well, there's so much to do, but you know, when you do it, you kind of make a major investment in to do it, right?
I mean, you've got the, you know, the ducks, right?
You got the ducks, you got the boats, you got the boats, you got the water parks, but you got to pay into these things.
It's a major investment.
Zip lines, there's ziplines you
can do.
That's what I want to do.
I want to try the ziplines
for
sure.
Go to
Wilderness for a zipline?
Is that it?
Wilderness
or Chula Vista?
They have zip lines that are open to the public.
You don't have to be staying there.
Well, that's a scary one.
It crosses the river, doesn't
it?
Well,
you got to have a little bit of excitement.
So you could go to the torture museum.
We got to organize a trip.
All our listeners, we have to organize them to go up to see the torture museum in the Dells.
Right.
The Dell screams fun.
And the torture museum is just a stop on the way.
Screams pain.
Screams.
Screams.
Yes.
Well, that would be something to do.
But you can, you know, you can always find something
to do in the Dells.
Yes.
Walk, you know, you got to go downtown though.
It tortures your thing, then, you know, it's there at the Dells.
You know, you can't just go on the strip, either of the original strip or the new strip out by Lake Dalton.
You got to go downtown.
Yes.
You got to
experience the whole definitely
downtown.
But I would take them on a, you know, maybe a duck ride.
Duck rides are shorter than the boat rides.
Boat rides, you're committing for a couple of hours.
Oh, no.
You want to do a duck ride, but if it's crowded, watch out, because you could be waiting for like an hour.
That is not happening.
Okay.
Now there are lots of different duck rides.
I can talk
Dells on this.
We cannot go.
We cannot go because it's going to take too long just to stand in line.
I'm not doing that.
But I have to say they have the fastest go kart track of them.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, sure.
They say they're the fastest.
I believe them.
It's one of the nicest go-car tracks I've ever been.
Do you go to the
one with the Trojan horse?
Because that's the one to go to.
No, I haven't been to that one.
No.
The big horse on the, uh, on the strip
there.
I go to the other side.
Okay.
Well, that's the equalest.
Near
Waiselhaunted House.
I think that's gone now.
That's, yeah, I don't think that's there, but...
Um, yeah, they're all pretty fast.
Yeah.
Is there bumper
cars?
Is there a bumper car there?
I'm assuming there is.
Somewhere
there's bumper cars.
I don't know where they're going.
I love bumper cars.
You mean with the little ducky faces on them?
Come on, man.
Down, down, grow up.
You're 22 now.
I need to get past the 13 year old height measure.
Well, good.
Well, keep us posted.
I think you should make the trip up there though.
I
think you got time.
Well, happy hump day to you on this Wednesday.
A little bit later on, Mike McCabe will rejoin us.
He's been off for a week or two, but he'll be back today.
Yes.
And,
um, whether today, well, guess what?
There isn't officially an air quality alert, but Charlie Shortino was backing off of that.
He goes, it's really actually worse than it was yesterday morning, even though they didn't put an alert day up.
Like, okay, Charlie, well, make up your mind.
Um,
So it could be a little hazy this morning and some smoke out there and right now 58 degrees highs in the mid 80s.
What is your WMDX Samsung watch?
Well,
I have to say about this.
It says it currently at 60, 85 degrees high temperature low tonight, 66.
Yeah.
And if you want to go to the, the more in-depth look at the dew points and humidity.
Got to know the dew point.
You got to live and die by the dew point.
Humidity at 83%.
The dew point is really low right now, 58 degrees, so anything above 70 or 65 is bad, but we're pretty low right
now.
I feel pretty comfortable.
It's gonna
get more humid in the next few days, so just heads up.
Well, you know, I'm trying to work my way through it.
It's been a humid, humid, wet summer.
It's been awful, yeah.
Yeah, it really has.
But, you know, we have a little bit of relief yesterday, today, not bad.
And then it gets worse by the end of the week.
Yeah, 90s by Friday.
You know, with all this rain and everything, I have not gone out to the garden.
that Anne has put in and I went out there yesterday.
It's like a jungle out there.
Holy crap.
Oh, I know.
Wow.
So much
rain.
Yeah.
The grass is growing so fast.
I have to mow it once a week just to try to keep up.
And the weeds are out of control.
Yeah.
Round the house.
Well, what do you have in your garden?
What's in your...
Well, we've got a squash.
plant.
When you put one squash plant in, that's all you'll ever need.
Really?
Yeah.
Oh my god, this is huge.
Butternut squash plant, it's all over the damn garden.
I mean, you know, I can't wait for the squash and the butternut squash, but it's huge.
And I can't imagine, I've never seen it like this before.
Usually, we go through dry spells in the summer.
And then the leaves get
old and crinkly and die off and then the plant kind of sags.
But this thing is like wild.
You know, it's like something out of a little shop of horrors.
Really?
Yeah.
So I took my, my life into my own hands when I entered that garden.
Is that all you have in the garden is just one
spot?
No, we've got a lot, a lot of peppers.
And one of the great things about having those peppers and what you do is you douse them in oil and you put them on the grill and you grill them into nice.
brown.
Yeah.
Cooked and they're just absolutely delicious.
Wow.
I just, I really got to try it.
It seems odd, but it really works out well.
I've got
an invite over there.
Oh, yeah.
Next time you grill out, you know, you guys, you know, 30 years.
Wow.
It's hard to carry away from.
This
is
something
we got to talk about.
Not that I'm bitter or angry.
No, no.
Doesn't matter to
me.
Well, we've been trying to get you out there, but really,
I
must have
missed
the invite in
my mailbox.
Well, you know, you never give us a call back.
You disconnected your phone.
And it seems like you won't go anyplace but outside under your gazebo.
I like my gazebo.
It's nice.
The chipmunks come to visit
me there and rabbits and
squirrels.
It's nice.
It's like a scene out of Bambi.
It's just
like
that.
Yeah, that's just exactly like that.
Okay, all right, let's get to would you rather because that's what we do at this time of the day Dom take it away Let's do it.
Let's do it.
Okay.
All right.
I hope it's a good one today We should get kind of a reverb voice thing.
Yeah,
we need it.
Okay.
Here
we go My god, all right
First question Alright first question, okay, let's lock it in here Would you rather only be able to use one toilet the rest of your life or never be able to use the same toilet twice?
I would use the same toilet for the rest of my life.
I've been doing that and I'm gonna keep the
rest of your life.
That's a commitment.
Wait till they have to replace it.
You have to go out to the junkyard.
Yeah, keep using it there.
It's my toilet.
What would you guys think?
What would you guys say?
We've got to be able to use different toilets because you know
Are you talking just in your house?
Yes, but-
I mean, if you're going out and about, what are you
gonna do?
The other option is never be able to use the same toilet twice.
So if you use your toilet in your house, you'll never be able to use it again.
Yeah, we gotta go with the first one.
It's the dumbest question I've
ever seen in my life.
The thing is, you really can't think too long on this stuff.
Don't overthink it.
It loses.
Okay.
Some of it.
All right.
All
right.
I
guess toilet in the house.
I guess.
Okay.
All right.
Right.
Yes.
All right.
Second question.
Would you rather be able to punch someone once a year with zero consequences whatsoever or Once a month once a month you get a free taco meal from Taco Bell What do
you Well, it's not
related in any way, but this one but I
think I would probably
Probably want to punch somebody.
I mean, that's how desperate I am not to go to Taco Bell.
Yeah, I agree with that.
Yeah, I would probably punch someone.
See, I like Taco Bell, but it never fills you.
I mean, you could eat forever and
feel
horrible later on.
It might
taste good.
Yeah.
And do you stay have really good things to choose from?
And
then all of a sudden
they just pared it down into nothingness.
It's all the same.
Yeah.
Well, it is.
They just wrap it up in different ways.
Well, yeah, three different wrappers.
Yeah.
And then they deep fry it.
Yeah.
And then add supreme at the end of it, thinking it's something.
Exactly.
That's it.
Something
special.
So, right.
But it's not, like I say, it's not bad.
I don't want to discourage people from, you know, going out, taking the kids out to Taco Bell.
It's kind of an event for them.
They outgrow it once they.
They have it three times a week, which may have happened in our family.
Oh, really?
Okay.
Well, they love, you know, they like getting all what the big, the big 10 tacos in a box.
Yeah, that's a thrill.
Yeah.
The more you got to
use the hot sauce though.
Oh, yeah.
Oh,
yeah.
It's ridiculous.
I know.
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Sitting here in the morning, overlooking State Street, a block away from the Capitol in Madison, Wisconsin, and a good morning to everyone, including you, listening on your car radio right now, driving into work, or in the kitchen, making breakfast, or grinding up the beans for your coffee.
You know, I mean, we're here for
you.
That's it.
We are.
Yes, and it's going to be a nice day.
All in all, a little bit of haze out there this morning.
We'll see partly cloudy skies and highs in the mid 80s for today.
You know, I think the big story that we might have to talk about tomorrow is NASA deciding to build a nuke plant on the moon.
Wait, a nuclear power
plant on the moon.
On the moon, yes, yes.
Do we need a lot
of power up on the moon?
I don't know, but I think somebody's somebody's come up with a long extension cord to get that thing Power one of those data centers Put up by a billionaires who need all that energy.
So I guess I don't know what kind of who
This
idea was this.
When would we need a nuclear power plant on the moon?
Don't know.
Maybe a century from now and after that, we won't even need it.
You know, we'll have dilithium crystals powering everything.
You know, dilithium crystals aren't right.
I, dilithium
crystals?
No.
Well, you should watch Star Trek.
Star Trek sometime, yeah.
Dilithium crystals.
The original Star Trek.
Yeah.
It
was a
TV show before it was a movie.
He's not
paying any
attention
to his stuff.
I'm looking it up now.
Oh, OK.
He's
going to
know.
All right.
Dilithium crystals.
Post-quantum cryptography.
What?
OK.
What?
Anyways.
It powers everything in the future.
OK.
In the future.
And they don't need money anymore, either.
Yeah.
Okay, all right.
So
why would they need why whose idea is this really NASA's idea or is this Trump's idea?
Well, you Trump took over NASA.
Oh, that's right.
Another brilliant idea.
And certainly, we'll see how this all turns out having a nuclear power plant on the moon.
Can you imagine having a leak or something like that?
And oh, no, that would be
terrible.
How'd they
go up there to fix it?
Well, they'll need someone up there, like 24-7, just to make sure everything's going right.
They
can't just leave it and ban it, you
know.
You're right.
They gotta have security up there, too.
They do.
They don't want any other aliens going by and stealing the
nuclear power.
God.
It's crazy.
You know, a long time ago, everybody agreed not to weaponize outer space.
Yeah.
And then, of course, Trump came in and he decided to have, what is it?
The Space Force?
Space Force.
Is that still in existence?
It is in existence.
You know, I got a, I have a whole bit on Space Force coming up.
Do you?
I do.
Oh, great.
We'll be hearing the song Space Force.
Which isn't good.
It's not good.
Can't wait.
It's
not catchy.
They got snappy uniforms though.
Oh, they do it does look similar to Star Trek
When you think about it the symbol for Space Force is a ripoff of Star Trek totally.
Yeah, so Okay, yeah, I mentioned this a few
Times before but I think the Democrats should at least take up the mantle of health care for all universal health care in this country We're looking at some cuts from a town hall Mike flood getting getting the heat from his constituents asking for universal healthcare You know I I mean it's just a simple simple thing to get behind
This doesn't require a lot of concentration.
It doesn't require a lot of political information or any experience in politics.
All you have to do is say, should we have health care for all?
Sure.
You know, every other industrialized country in the world has some form of universal health care.
Yes.
Yes.
So Mike Flood brought this up and he asked whether.
Yeah.
Well, he brought it up because he was talking about, you know, healthy people sitting on their couch, not working.
Should they get health care?
And the crowd said yes.
He wasn't expecting that.
I'll get the actualities on these tomorrow, maybe even today if I can.
But it is truly amazing that this is the simple thing to get behind it.
We're not getting behind it.
I don't know what the Democrats are doing, what they're planning, what secret room they're hiding in at this point.
But they really have to get out there and say, this is what we plan.
Now, I'm really happy to see that the Democrats have gotten behind redistricting.
and getting rid of having these separate entities decide how to redistrict.
I mean, that's always been a great idea and the Democrats want to do it.
Once in power, they'll do it nationwide, not individually by state.
We learned a bitter lesson here, not to do that anymore, but now every Democrat is now talking about the possibility of redistricting in Democratic states and one-upping.
Texas and a few other Republican states that want to do this in order to secure the majority even though they don't have any ideas any real plans and destroying the country and we really don't have a USA anymore, but I guess you know
They're they're they're trying to go for all the brass rings in this one.
Well,
yeah, and they're fighting fire with fire.
Finally.
I mean, they got you
know, they said, okay, you know, we don't really like to do this, but you know, we're forced to do this.
Right.
This is not our idea.
They're coming up with it.
We got to counter it.
And fight back.
Yeah.
Finally.
And when
we
finally
went ahead and we had a backbone, we decided to make it an independent agency.
Yeah.
Now we're, uh, no, we're eating our words on that one.
That's not, it's not working out anymore in the day.
You know, the Republicans, they do all these things.
They step out and go out on a limb.
Why, why don't the Democrats do that more often?
What a great question.
Yeah.
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Well, I've got some odds and ends to take care of here.
Okay.
Kind of putting these stories off.
I'm finally going to expose them.
to the public if you haven't heard these already.
It should be shocking to your system.
Thanks for the warning.
France 24, you know, I always watch France TV and France 24 does it in English, which is a big help.
Really?
Because you don't speak
French, so that would be kind of slow down the process.
I think it's a fake language, but you know.
They keep trying to pull a wool over my eyes and I'm not falling for it.
All right, here we go.
So how do you say croissant?
Oh, great.
Here we go.
Julian.
OK, never mind.
Croissant, croissant.
All right.
All right.
Anyway, an 18-year-old Frenchman was detained in charge with being part of a terrorist criminal
enterprise.
Wow.
Really?
That's something.
What?
I made reports of an increase in masculinism.
I'm not kidding.
That's how they have it here.
A belief in the supremacy of men and advocacy of outmoded gender roles among young men.
It is the first time that French anti-terror authorities have launched an investigation into someone for activities linked to the involuntary celibate.
and incels.
Wait, run this by me again.
It's the incel movement.
Okay.
So these are men who have decided in an 18 year old guy, they have this thing, this toxic masculinity thing going, and it's because they've been rejected by women and they have this resentment toward women.
In fact, incels feel they have been rejected by women and have adopted aggressively misogynist views in response.
Originating in Canada, believe it or not, in the 1990s, masculinist ideology has taken off, in part thanks to the internet.
Melissa Blaze, professor of sociology and a specialist in anti-feminist movements, says,
In cell communities, there's something going on that's conducive to mass murder.
Women are dehumanized, labeled as femoids, seen as creatures to be fought.
Dehumanization is a part of mass murder, and that's why Blaze calls it kind of a mass murder situation.
The same approach is being done to immigrants, and the left, the woke.
So again, this is the in-cell movement is very, very strong right now.
In-cell, I've never heard of this before, the in-cell
movement.
Toxic masculinity.
Okay,
yeah.
And guys who feel rejected and feel like the gender roles have gone a little bit too far.
Is that what the man of women?
Yeah,
that's kind of the man of spear philosophy, right?
Yeah.
A bunch of guys.
the Masculinist.
They're out there.
They need a better name.
They've got to workshop that name, the
Masculinist.
Well, okay.
That doesn't roll off the tongue very
well.
The one that does is the incel movement.
Yeah.
All right.
Okay.
So that's
That's something that's taken off in this country as well.
It's part of this masculine thing that so many of these other podcasters on the right have gone into.
So it's not something new.
There's an
extreme version of it, which is the incel movement, but it's pretty much toxic masculinity.
The bottom line on that, but we could go to the phones.
Matt's
on the phone line with us.
What do you got for us, Matt?
Good morning, Matt.
Morning guys.
I want to talk about this in self stuff.
Okay.
I've seen some of that in a friend of mine son Who fell into it and I think it's deeply wrapped in with this digital World of ours and video games.
Mm-hmm.
Oh really
because these what happens to young young boys.
I think is that Video games are kind of an evil trick, right?
It's like you feel like you're entering something fun and amusing
Now you have a lot of social games where you're meeting people through the internet on these games.
You don't know who they are.
And there's all this coded language that's thrown around that kind of bashes women.
And then I think there's also right wing players who take advantage of that space because that's also what fed the Q non people was the video game culture.
Yeah.
Yeah.
and then you have this addiction that arises where, oh well, like my friend's son fell into this.
He had to play the game eight hours a night because his friends were playing it and he had to join them and it was a social thing, it's bullying, you know, why weren't you playing last night?
That kind of nonsense.
But the stuff that boys lose by putting all that time in is they're not out meeting people, they're not learning how to socialize.
And then the pandemic on top of that.
Yeah, there are a lot of like Scott Galloway talks about there are a lot of these young boys becoming grown men now approaching the age of 17 or so whatever who To learn how to talk to girls at that age.
Yeah, it's a little like good luck.
You know the damage is done
I
think we need to get people out more and
was your thing back centers, whatever something away from the Tablets and the TVs and all that stuff
Matt really your friend's son was playing video games like it for eight hours a night Really?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah state up all through the night one.
Yeah, it ruins his schooling Yeah, he's kind of very introverted now at the age of 19.
He's having trouble holding a job
I remember a couple of years ago, I did that as well.
I think it was like four or five years ago.
Yeah.
I mean, I just, I had nothing to do.
It was like you said COVID.
That's, I mean, all I did was- It's a locked in community as well.
When
people get online and play with you, then you kind of have to be there.
They can make their comments.
They can try to influence other people.
Yeah.
It becomes a false friend.
It's kind of a relationship, but it's really not.
You're never going to see these people.
They're not going to help you get a job or go outside or exercise or do positive things.
Yeah.
We're all trying to come out of the COVID situation that we were all put in.
And my sons, one was graduating from college, the other graduated from high school around the COVID time plan.
It just threw everything completely off.
They didn't have graduations.
kind of stay home most of the time unless you got a shot.
Yeah, it was just a mess and these guys socially were stunted by that.
You know, I feel bad about the fact that they couldn't hang out with their friends, go out to
places.
What are the young women that age doing while the guys are gaming for six or eight hours a night?
What are they?
Well,
laughing at the guys.
They're better at forming social Yes, they form them all the time.
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
All right, Matt.
All right.
Thanks, Matt.
Thank you.
Have a good one.
Yeah, you too.
I know my son is online doing this kind of stuff and I mentioned it once or twice before but you know, he had to get together with them and they all met in Las Vegas.
They're from all over the country, one from Canada.
Yeah, they all came down to meet finally.
In
person,
and they partied in Las Vegas for about a week.
And they met online?
Just
met
on video games?
They used to play together all the time online, and they finally got together.
And they just partied.
Yeah.
So it's kind of crazy, isn't
it?
Yeah.
It's a crazy mixed up world.
I can't
imagine that.
Yeah, I know.
So yeah, it's nuts.
And the incel movement is certainly trying to take advantage of something like that.
All right.
How about this?
You know, we know that Trump has rejected the jobs numbers, right?
Yes.
And then he fired somebody.
Yes.
Because he likes to do that once in a while.
Let's hear a cut.
This is cut 13.
And let's listen to his comment on those job numbers.
Well, okay.
So that's the
solution off with their heads.
It's the Alice in Wonderland.
The Red Queen right
well respected statistician just doing her job
just doing her
job
and And then that's because the real job numbers are always changed
for the prior months.
Yeah, they always update things.
And it went from 144,000 jobs created in May to just 19,000,
which is
quite a
drop.
Wow.
And then of course, in June, it was 147,000 jobs created.
But no, that was wrong, a little high.
It was only 14,000 jobs created.
That is a little discrepancy.
I don't think I've
ever read those kind of numbers.
Job creation numbers ever.
Anyway, we don't know what's going on for July, but CNN wrote this.
This is the worst economic jobs report since the end of the pandemic.
So really seriously, fire the person because she's just doing her job.
Maybe there's some satisfaction in firing people.
Maybe that's what it's all about.
Alright, let's get into this.
You just mentioned Scott Galloway.
When we get to a comment from Scott, I'm just going to throw this one.
This is cut 8.
And he is talking about Ghislaine Maxwell and getting off and it's baked in.
They already have made this decision.
Let's listen to his point of view on this and end more.
He talks about more.
I think it's already underway.
I think somebody has communicated to Ghislaine Maxwell in prison that if she exonerates the president, she'll get a pardon by the end of his term.
I think it's already underway.
Which makes it worse though, right?
Correct?
Doesn't
that
make it even more?
I don't know.
I think his base.
I think if she quote-unquote, I mean think about how ridiculous this is.
All of a sudden they've decided they might want to speak to Delaney Maxwell.
That just dawned on the Attorney General's office that maybe
they
should go speak to her.
So it's been, in my opinion, just logic has said, okay, if you provide us with information or credible information or just basically say he had, he was there, but make it believable.
Like he was there, but he never engaged in anything like that.
Before the end of the term, wink, wink, you're going to be back in...
in Long Island or wherever she's from.
I think the fix is already in.
I think someone has already communicated to Tulane Max.
All right, that's it.
The fix is in.
It is.
Yeah.
She's in a different facility now, more like a camp than a prison.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They're working their way
towards that.
They
are working their way toward that.
Absolutely.
Okay.
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Well, let's get to something I mentioned earlier.
We did get the clips, so we're going to talk about it briefly here.
And that is representative of Mike Flood.
He had quite a meeting.
He's a punty little guy with these glasses.
He looks like Dexter, the cartoon show every year from watching.
Dexter?
He
looks like
Dexter.
He's really asking for it.
He's truly clueless at his town hall, and the crowd is not having it.
Now you would think, oh, yeah, those Democrats, they organize, they bust people in, and that's...
why he has these crowds.
That's not true.
I mean,
there doesn't seem to be a lot of dissent in the crowd.
So anyway, Mike is out there talking about, you know, those 28 year old sitting around on the couch.
Well, you got to hear it to believe it.
This is just fun stuff.
Let's listen to it.
It talks about two big changes to the Medicaid program.
One of those changes.
is that if you are able to work and you are able-bodied, you have to work.
If you choose not to work, you do not get pre-healthcare.
You do not get
pre-healthcare.
Good idea.
Okay,
okay.
So here's a question.
Rephrase it.
So here's a question.
Do you think that people...
who are 28 years old, that can work and refuse to work, should get free healthcare.
I don't think that a majority of Nabaskans agree with you.
Oh,
really?
Oh, really?
I don't think you're reading the crowd.
Reading the room
well.
That is just priceless stuff.
It went on for more than an hour.
It was like an hour and a half.
Well, you know, the thing is, you know, healthcare, they're using it as a weapon against the American citizens.
We pay for their healthcare, but they're penalizing us, punishing every American out there that needs healthcare, that has healthcare debt, can't get it off their record.
In fact, Trump made it impossible to take it off their credit record.
It was off, according to Biden, he took it off our credit reports, but
I don't know why, but Trump said, hey, let's put it back on there.
Let's make sure people can't buy houses or cars.
Okay.
What a great idea.
I don't know.
The cult, the cult goes along with this stuff.
There's no explanation for any of it.
All right.
So anyway, a constituent got up there and he says, Hey, you know what?
Why not have universal health care?
Yeah.
Come on.
You know, the next big question.
Let's check that out.
A lot spins talked about Medicaid, healthcare, et cetera.
A lot of countries in the world, Europe, Canada, they have healthcare for the people there.
Outside you, just now you said you don't want to see a lazy 28 year old get healthcare, whatever.
My point is, every working and retired American should be entitled to healthcare.
Would you?
Would you sign on?
Right up a bill for Medicare for All.
We've got Medicare now.
We can start rolling back the age.
Five, ten years at a time.
Would you support that?
We can't afford that.
Yes, you can!
Oh, man.
That's for the big billionaire tax cuts.
We protected Medicaid as the safety net for those who cannot care for themselves, who are vulnerable, for those who are able-bodied and
working.
That's not true.
I will tell you this and I cannot take any credit for it.
President Trump is going to bring down prescription prices because the countries you mentioned have been paying way too little for way too long and we've been subsidized them.
And if we as a country start, I want to pay the same price for the drugs.
that are in London as they are in Lincoln.
And that has not happened for a long time.
We've been subsidizing these foreign governments and our socialized healthcare.
This will get solved by President Trump.
It will mark the biggest change in healthcare spending in 50 years.
And I'm confident that's where we're going.
That's such a huge lie.
First of all, the American public has subsidized the development of drugs at our universities.
And it's gone on to the National Institute of Health after that.
And then it goes to the drug companies to market.
So we've been paying huge prices.
Second, Trump has raised the prices in Europe on drugs to match the high prices we have in this country.
Drug prices really aren't going to go down, and not only that, but all we have to do is, as a country, negotiate drug prices.
All the drug prices.
Now, if we had universal healthcare, we could do that.
We could negotiate.
We would buy in quantity, lowering the price of drugs in this country and worldwide.
That's the solution.
Not whatever Mike Flood was talking about.
It was
convoluted jigsaw puzzle.
It's not a good meeting.
Not a good day for Mike Flood in Nebraska.
OK.
But it's
entertaining.
Yes.
659.
I'd like to see
Mike Flood at the comedy club downstairs.
That'd be a great bookie.
Yeah, I think so.
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We hope you stay with us too on John and Gordy in the morning.
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I'm Peterson.
Gordon Young.
The Stone Age didn't end because of a shortage of stones.
So how do you say croissant in French?
Go f*** yourself.
You
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Here they are.
It's John and Gordon.
Just want to tell you both good luck.
We're all counting on you.
I
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Not a lot is going to change today.
Thank
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It's sunny out there this morning, a little bit of haze out there, but not too bad.
And it's going to get into the mid 80s by later this afternoon.
Right now, low 60s.
It's going to be a good day.
Well, you know, unless you watch a weather forecaster in the morning who panics over the smoke from Canada.
Right.
But, you know, I have been panicking as well.
I don't believe any of the stuff that's going to clear out of here by noon.
Well, Charlie Shortino said there was no air quality alert for Madison this morning.
And yet he also said,
But it's worse than it was yesterday morning when we did have a quality alert.
So try to figure that out.
I don't know.
God.
I can't make up their minds.
Catherine just texted in.
She said, no, the haze is bad.
It is bad.
Capital IS is bad.
OK.
Well, all right.
I don't know.
There you have it.
We'll walk out.
Now we all know.
I'm looking at sunshine here.
But yeah, it is a little hazy in the distance.
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You know, it's fascinating
to see how the administration deals with problems.
And that is, you know, they are coming right out and saying what they plan on doing to their cultists out there.
I mean, Vance is hosting an Epstein strategy talk.
at his house, at the vice presidential residence.
You know,
I just...
Pam Bondi's gonna be there.
So the strategy is,
let's come up with a plan and how to deal with this so the people don't get the information.
I mean, come on.
Why don't you just tell us that you're trying to game the system?
Yeah, let's have
a little conspiracy party.
Not tell us what we want to know.
All right, I got it.
They got to get their ducks in a row,
right?
They really do, and they're coming right out and saying, well, we've got a strategy party, and I'm going
to have
a dinner, and we're going to talk about
what we're
going to do
instead
of just releasing the information, which is very simple to do.
Just do that.
That's all.
Hey, let's go to the phones.
Phone lines are open.
608-879-8255.
Good morning, Dick.
What's on your mind?
Well, this is a situation with taxes.
You know, the president himself
excuse me he's pulling out his political sharpie ready to read off drawly blind
yeah that's
right right and I hear this Democrat I forget who it was I wish I could he was on MSNBC yesterday afternoon saying that basically if we do what they're talking about doing in California New York and such that we're no better than they are and then we should just
uh
okay my question to him would be um
If we lose the midterms, we might as well just back it in.
That's
right.
In my opinion.
That's right.
So is he just saying we're, you know, gonna wait till then and then just take it on the kid, I guess.
Yeah.
But I don't see us going too much further if we don't win the midterms and turn them into a late dot.
That's right.
The Democrats have been thinking like that for a long time, and that is the wrong way to think.
We have to become more offensive.
We can't be on defense all the time.
We just can't do it.
Yeah.
And if they're throwing the rules out the window, you know, we've got to fight back.
We're going to have to fight
back if we're going to lose it
all.
Yeah.
We have to fight back at least.
All right.
Thanks, Dick.
Thanks
for that
call.
Also, there's a discussion about the Fed raising or lowering, rather, the interest rates now.
It's not because he's being forced to do that by Trump.
And it has nothing to do with inflation.
Get this.
It has everything to do with hiring, being so low now.
I just mentioned how many jobs were created, and that was extremely bad, very, very low.
So now the Fed might have to lower the interest rates just to try to...
tweak getting more hiring out there.
So one way or another, it's going
to
happen, I suppose.
The effect of the tariffs is really settling in.
It's really starting to hit now.
And we're talking inflation.
We were talking about incels, toxic masculinity, and Chuckster out in Racine gave us a little text here about the incel discussion.
Maybe David Bowie and Matt the Hoople were ahead of their time with all the young dudes.
Or the song Transcend's Time, and these dudes in some manner have always been around.
The
song does mention the Boogaloo Boys.
Yes, it does.
And that was way back in the 70s.
So yeah, good point, Chuck.
Yeah.
Now we were also
checking in with Mike Flood on his comedy tour at his town halls.
It's off
to a good start.
He really is off to a good start.
He's getting a lot of reaction.
Well, that's what you want from an audience.
You want to, you know, you want to get some reaction.
You want audience
participation and boy has he got it.
And Allie Velsche was in last night on MSNBC and he put a little collage together of some of these town halls.
So
Let's check in on his program.
This is Cut 55.
And this is Ali Velshi on MSNBC, the Town Hall Outrage.
It came as a bit of a surprise to me that Republicans are actually...
hosting town halls after
the
catastrophe that the last bunch were in the midst of the doge cuts.
In fact, back in March, the NRCC, which funds House Republican campaigns, told members to stop doing town halls.
Nebraska Congressman Mike Flood hosted a town hall in Lincoln last night.
It didn't go well.
Your governor, Jim Pillon, and your legislature.
This bill protects Medicaid for the future.
8.4
million dollars a day to illegally detain people how much does it cost for fascism how much do the taxpayers have to pay?
Why are you covering up the Epstein files?
We've had we've had this conversation before In
case you didn't hear they were chanting tax the rich a similar scene occurred last week when Wisconsin Republican Brian Steele hosted a listening session One of the biggest improvements that we have seen is the success in securing
South
East Wisconsin has not been represented by you.
President Trump seems to run South East Wisconsin.
All of this is getting through to Republicans, but they are trying to spin it because anyone who shows up to criticize them doesn't count.
Should this sort of response from voters that we saw last night at that town hall?
Should that worry Republicans?
No, and I think I need to correct one thing that you said
is
you talked about he had a town hall with his constituents.
I wish that were true.
As we know, the Democratic Party buses in a lot of people from outside his district.
Yes, Democrats bust the people in.
Republicans can't keep pretending that their constituents aren't feeling the consequences of their toxic agenda.
But there's no evidence that anyone there was faking
it.
issues enshrined in the law forever but the working class gives us no tax on tips or overtime that only applies to some of us and now we wind up in a situation where we are.
With
all due respect sir.
Check your notes the Republican Party check your notes
now more than ever represents the heart and soul of the working class
Wow the way he was going through his papers to find that that line that now more than ever they represent the working class Wow
So there it is, a great bunch of clips there representing a lot of the town halls out there.
And you know, here in Wisconsin, we protested act 10 way back in about 2011.
And at that time we had millions protesting at the Capitol over, over time.
And it was just huge, huge crowds day after day after day.
And the same excuse was used back then that we bust people in.
We bust people.
The thing is, the Koch brothers had a bus that went through Wisconsin, picking up conservatives so they could come down here and protest at the Capitol.
So we didn't bust them in, they bust them in.
And they said, but we bust people in from Illinois.
Why would we bust people in from Illinois?
Why did
Illinois even care about Act 10 up here in Wisconsin?
They didn't.
So, you know, all this, all this blaming the Democrats for busting people in.
It's such an old argument.
I, it's almost comedic at, at a point, but let's, you know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's
what they lean
on.
I know, I know they really lean on these things outrageously, don't they?
My God.
All right.
Hang
on a second.
I think we have a phone call here.
Got a phone call.
I believe so.
Catherine is on the line this morning.
Good morning, Catherine.
What's up?
Well, your last statement, John.
We lean on, you know, I lean on you to help me understand how I get my brother, your brothers, and CJ to feel safe to say,
Yeah, we were robbed.
We were lied to.
We were wrong, but because we were lied to.
How do we make it a safe atmosphere for the CJs and Eric and your brothers to feel okay saying, you're right, we got screwed.
Sorry.
We shouldn't have voted for him.
That's a good point.
We've tried to do that on this show.
When we've had CJ on, we have a fairly nice discussion.
Last time we'd even talked politics.
And I think
that's one of the ways we can start doing that, but also trying to identify with them and understanding that they have been sold a bill of goods.
They believe all this stuff.
And if we can just keep giving them examples over and over and over again, that maybe we can convince them otherwise.
And that's all we can do, you know, that that's it.
And we're trying
doing
it.
Yeah.
Thanks.
All right.
Thanks, Catherine.
Appreciate it.
Well, and I think one of the other things is the, you know, this Epstein files things is not going away.
They're not going to let this go.
This can't just be pushed off of the headlines.
Like, you know, they've done all the other things that.
that have come along.
So they have to deal with that.
They have to come to some sort of reality about that, that, you know, why is he hiding these files?
Why won't they let these go?
Why won't they get them out there?
So now they're having a strategy session with the vice president and Pam Bondi and Patel.
How are we doing this?
Yeah, I know.
It's
very strange that they keep buying into all this stuff and now they're coming right out and saying, well, we're going to figure out a way to deceive everybody.
Okay.
And we're having a big dinner and we're going to strategize.
Come on.
They're telling you what they're doing.
Yeah.
Um, well, we can only, you know, give you examples here and that's why we play these cuts for you.
You know, we're not
going to,
we're not going to paraphrase.
is anything they're saying.
We're gonna give you
the stuff they're saying.
That's it.
19 past the hour.
Coming up in about 15 minutes, Mike McCabe will join us.
It's been a while since we talked to him.
We'll get him in here shortly.
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They call it
LSD.
Lakeshore
Drive.
Lakeshore Drive.
Beautiful Chicago.
Gorgeous.
I love driving around in Chicago.
I know people think I'm crazy, but I love driving around in Manhattan, too.
No, that's crazy.
I mean, they are really good drivers down in Manhattan.
You
have to be a good driver.
And I was shocked.
I was shocked.
I mean, it was just solid cars.
Yeah.
But because it's solid cars, you can't, if you have to get in the left turn lane,
it
would be normally tough to do or impossible to do, but they have it down.
They slow down, they let you in, they make these moves so you can work with them, so you can work with them.
I mean, it is just, it is magic.
I was just stunned by how good people drive in Manhattan.
Wish we had that here.
Well, traffic is moving smoothly right now across State Street.
Because I'm not out there.
Once they've seen me
out there, they start blocking me up and
turning
in front of me, cutting me off.
That's not good.
I
feel
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Really?
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had a group called Hazy Sunshine.
Oh, I know
all we're ever talking about now is Hazy Sunshine.
Well, I didn't think it was too bad earlier, but it apparently it's it's pretty bad out
there.
We've got Joe and we'll get to Joe in just a few moments, but we've got Brittany Merleau with us right now
with
the latest in weather.
What's going on, Brittany?
Yeah, Brittany, tell us.
Well, you know, Madison, for some reason, just spiked in that wildfire smoke.
You are pretty much the highest in the state.
You've hit unhealthy levels once again.
Wow.
Your AQI is, I know, 151 back in the red level, especially south of you too.
So this morning it is like a thick foggy patchy smoke, kind of nastiness out there in certain areas.
And I worry because today we've got a pressure system moving in and it's going to kick up those winds in the northern part of the state.
But it doesn't look like it's going to be moving too much by Madison area as a temporary high pressure builds in over Milwaukee today.
So my fear is it keeps the wildfire smoke by Milwaukee and Madison
today.
So those chances are there.
But otherwise, this wildfire smoke, it should, I swear, clear on out of here.
This high pressure system is way on the East Coast.
So it's like it is just hanging on to Wisconsin.
It's frustrating, isn't it?
Trying to
kill us.
It really wasn't that bad very early this morning.
So something, the wind must have shifted or something.
This
is Canada's
alternative to tariffs.
They want to smoke us out of Wisconsin.
Seriously, they're up there with a big fan pointing right at us.
Yeah, that's right.
Oh.
OK.
Oh my goodness.
So let's hope that this high pressure system weakens this little temporary one over Milwaukee and then the winds start to kick back up.
If it doesn't, you'll be stuck with a little wildfire smoke today.
for sure by later we are going to see it move because we're looking at drizzle possible late tonight and overnight and then some thunderstorms small ones tomorrow morning should clear by the afternoon temperatures in those mid 80s both today and tomorrow and then we've got more storms moving in possibly midday tomorrow again overnight
Then it turns hot and humid as we go into Friday and Saturday near 90 degrees, feeling like the mid 90s to upper 90s.
And then a cold front hits us on Saturday and into Sunday, sparking more showers and storms and those could be strong with severe.
So we're not looking at, you know, beautiful summer weather.
Unfortunately, I would say Friday is the best
day.
So nightmare.
All right.
And we just found out from Doug at St.
Francis Milwaukee that he says Milwaukee has set up huge fans to blow Canadian smoke toward Madison said good luck.
See
that's
what's going
on.
All right, Brittany,
you can
pass that along to everybody in Milwaukee and their civic media broadcast.
All right.
Thanks a lot.
All
right.
Thank you.
That's Chief Meteorologist Brittany Merlo.
Take care and let's go to the phone lines now.
Joe is online with us.
What do you got for us, Joe?
That meteorologist of yours is one smart person.
I mean of course the Canadians have set up fans This is the way they're saying
I wanted to comment your friend Catherine called with thoughts about how can you open the minds of people like CJ who just don't seem to get it in terms of how they may be harmed by what's going on in this administration.
And I just wanted to offer the fact that RF Kennedy Jr.
has on Tuesday demolished 22 projects totaling 500 million that we're using this MR
mRNA technology for vaccines.
And so, okay, given that out the window, they go.
And he also fired his vaccine recommendation panel.
And some of these vaccines, some were for COVID, some were for other respiratory illnesses, but some of the vaccines were cancer vaccines.
Specifically, they were working on colon cancer, pancreatic cancer, geoblastoma, I mean, really serious cancers that don't have much chance of survival, produce slim.
And there was a guy quoted in this newspaper article.
His name is Mike Ulsterholm.
He's a University of Minnesota expert on infectious diseases and pandemic preparations.
And he said, I don't see a more dangerous decision in public health in my 50 years in the business.
And I would also note that this
mRNA technology.
Was it awarded a Nobel Prize, the people who came up with it in 2023?
Wow,
yes.
Okay, what, you know, he's going, it's like that guy in the movie, you know, you're going the wrong way.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, so, you know, I just hope they would see it for their own benefit if nothing else.
I'm with you on that.
It's crazy.
And especially for everybody over 60, they have to think about this because these are vaccines for
things that are coming up, we need them.
Yes we do.
729, when we come back, Mike McCabe joins us on John and Gordy in the morning.
How did we do in there?
Not too good.
Apparently you're not an American citizen.
That's true.
And according to your boss, you're not a Soviet citizen either.
Well, the boss isn't always right, but he's always the
boss.
Do you never worry?
Would it help?
All right, this is WMDX John and Gordy
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Good.
Eyes are burning a little bit.
Yeah.
Pretty crummy.
Well, I think I might have gotten soap in my eyes in the shower, but I'm going to go ahead and blame it on the haze.
I would.
I would definitely do it.
As I keep getting further and further out of shape.
Look, I love taking
this
walk down Middleton, but you know, with the weather like this, it's not good.
It's not healthy to breathe in the particulate
out there.
Hooped up
too much.
I know.
That's
it.
So here we are, the doomed baby boomers.
You know, I've talked about this on the show so many times.
I'm so disappointed in my generation.
We really had it going, you know, the sexual revolution.
By the way, you had a great list of everything that the 60s and 70s turned out.
That was fantastic in your article.
But anyway, we had all these great movements, you know sexual revolution women's lib Anti-war protests showing you know what we can do if we got together and protested something on the campuses mostly They weren't DEI yet.
They weren't using DEI to break up these protests
And now the baby boomers have turned into billionaires and selfish sons
of God.
But you know, it's
a
horrible representation.
You know, I mean, we work so hard
to see
see the US on our motorcycles, you know, and get out there and be real Americans and just, you know, love peace.
Gordy was part of the hippie peace movement at the time.
Of course,
everybody
was.
Yeah, I know, I know.
You know, in our generation, seemed like it.
That's right.
And some of us like petroleum oil, some of us didn't.
What are you talking
about?
So what's your point?
But my point is now that we have made, we have soured Gen Z, our kids, we have soured them on our generation.
And thank goodness, goodness, maybe this is enough.
to push them and change the US again.
And you talk about it in your article about them now being that the generation we need to count on to
change everything.
Every younger generation sours on older generations.
That's the nature of generations.
And it's why there's always generational change.
And I really wrote this article.
because I've been talking, you know, to a lot of my peers.
I was born at the very tail end of the Baby Boom, so I'm barely a boomer, but I kind of fit in at the very back end of it.
But I talked to all these boomers who are extremely depressed, and they really feel like they've let all the rest of the generations down, and that they've failed, and that, you know.
And I guess I wanted to say, oh, lighten up.
And think about the fact that the Baby Boom Generation brought about the Clean Air Act and the Clean Water Act and Medicaid and Medicare and the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act.
And I go on and on and on.
I probably offered another half dozen or dozen
things
that were the doing of the Baby Boom Generation.
The boomers brought along generational change because people, when they were young in that generation, were feeling like there was too much conformity, that they felt stifled by a society that was so very different than the society we live in today.
So the boomers changed the world.
They dramatically changed America, but the nature of...
That's a big butt, by
the way.
Human nature being what it is,
that brought a pretty powerful backlash and a push to sort of reverse a lot of those changes or a lot of those advances.
And now, yeah, of course, Gen Z, like all younger generations is gonna look at the older generations and say they didn't know what the hell they were doing and we gotta change the world because that's what younger generations do.
But I don't think that that
means that what the Baby Boom generation did was not, if not revolutionary, it was certainly evolutionary because we live in a tremendously different world than America was in the 1940s or 1950s.
And we shouldn't forget that, but we also should make way for generational change.
And I guess my point in the article was that, unfortunately, the forces that are most powerful today want to take us back.
They want to take us back to the 1940s or 50s or the 1920s or the 1890s.
And America is always at its best when it's thinking about tomorrow, when it puts yesterday in the rear view mirror, and it thinks about how should we reinvent ourselves?
That's when America is at its best, is when we're reinventing.
And that's what Gen Z, I think, that's the challenge for Gen Z is to reinvent the world again.
think anew, and that means some old institutions are going to crumble, and they are going to collapse, and old ways are going to go away.
Let's
hope.
Let's hope, because this is a moment that calls out for reinvention, and we ought to be thinking about that, planning for it, fighting for it.
Instead, we're kind of wringing our hands and saying, oh, we've failed, and dug on it.
All of those things that were done made it very different America.
And we're all living in a world that has, you know, is the result of gender equality and greater racial equality and all of those things and Medicaid and Medicare and all those things that were put in place by the baby boom generation.
We take all those things for granted now.
We shouldn't take them for granted, but we should be thinking, okay, what's next?
How do we imagine the modern day equivalent of those things that were all done back in the 60s and 70s?
Well, way back then we had the Jetsons.
And it gave us dreams of what the future could look like.
Well, yes, we have the space
race.
And
yes, we thought
we'd all have flying cars.
We couldn't wait for tomorrow to happen and see the future like that.
But instead, we've been held back.
And I've always said this from the past, at least, in the last three or four decades, I thought the Republicans, because they have this tax cut fever and it hasn't let up one bit,
But these tax cuts are money that could go to improving this country, to update this country, to revitalize this country instead of giving it as tax cuts.
They are a freeloader generation.
The boomers are freeloaders.
They're trying
to have a- Wait a second.
Wait a second.
I think you're painting with too broad a brush there, John.
When
you said the boomers have become billionaires, a handful of boomers have become billionaires.
And they are seeking to actively rig the system to make themselves trillionaires.
And then there's a whole bunch of people who have actually watched their net worth erode.
actual buying power of their net worth has been declining because we've got such grotesque economic inequality at this moment in our country.
And there are boomers who are not well off.
Yes, there are billionaires in that generation and those billionaires want to become trillionaires and they are actively working to make sure that they can do that.
And that's really what brought me to my most recent article that just came out.
this central myth of capitalism that there is this invisible hand that will guide our economy and guide our society in wise ways and you don't need any government intervention.
And of course, that's hogwash.
That is an idea that those billionaires need Americans to embrace.
if they are going to become trillionaires as they wish to become.
I love your line from the ashes, arsonists become the architects.
That's that whole thing about generational change.
The way I put it is arsonists become architects become preservationists, preservationists become arsonists.
What did the Baby Boom generation do?
But rebel against the conformity and the staleness of American society.
And they wanted to burn things down, and a whole lot of things burned.
And then a new construction happened, and a new architecture was created.
And those arsonists became architects.
Then, of course, in more recent times, boomers wanted to preserve all that they had built.
And
they became sort of America's true conservatives.
You know, not the modern day definition of conservatives that you see in the far right.
But they wanted to preserve what they had created, so they became preservationists.
And now, of course, there's a whole lot of people wanting to burn down what was built.
We're talking to Mike McCabe here, and we got a text here.
Mike, are you even going to mention Gen X, of course, the forgotten generation?
Where do they fit into this picture?
Yeah, and I'm right on the cusp.
Yeah, you're right on the edge.
I'm right on the cusp of...
of Baby Boom and Gen X. And so some people, depending on how you define the generation, some people would put me in Gen X. But to me, those lines are blurry at best.
And look, Gen X was part of that construction because that new architecture that the boomers can lay claim to, that continued all the way into the 1970s, almost to the 1980s.
You had the Americans with Disabilities Act.
And then the fight for...
for gender equality, but then also the fight for marriage equality, where people, even up until very recent years, were troubled by the idea of same-sex marriage.
And today, the vast majority of Americans accept it.
They're okay with it.
And of course, marriage equality became the law of the land.
And I have that line in the article that...
gay was no longer a synonym for Mary or
happiness.
Yeah, and it was defined differently, and it ended up being reflected in our laws, but that's a 21st century advance.
So, you know, Gen X was all part of that as well.
And so, yeah, maybe too many people have overlooked Gen X,
because so much of the younger generation's wrath is directed toward the boomers.
But look, for younger generations, the challenge is the same as it was for the Baby Boom generation.
If you don't like what society looks like, reinvent it and take us and break new ground and take us to a new place.
Instead,
I think we've got these retrogressive forces that are trying to take us backwards all the way to the 1890s as they can do it.
We
will continue our conversation with Mike McCabe after this on John and Gordy in the morning.
WMDX,
it's John and Gordy in the morning and a beautiful day in Madison, the capital city, a block away from the capital on State Street.
Visit us sometimes if you
can.
It's hazy out there today, highs in the mid 80s.
752 back for a few more minutes here with Mike McKay.
We've got
a text here from Megan and Sun Prairie.
Boomers may have made some wonderful changes to the world, but they also pulled the ladder up behind them.
That's the issue.
Newer generations can't get a word in edgewise and they've lost all hope and being able to do so.
And, you know, I see that all the time and we're hearing about that all the time that, you know, they did.
many pulled up that ladder behind them and generations now are having a very difficult time buying homes, getting cars, being able to afford an apartment.
It's beyond them.
Even a steady job.
It's the gig economy now.
No question.
The boomers brought about a lot of
social change, a lot of social equality.
Didn't do so well on economic equality.
And I guess I wouldn't say that the boomers all pulled the ladder up behind them, but they allowed the ladder to be pulled up behind them.
A few, at the very top, did the pulling, the billionaire class.
They did the pulling, but the...
Baby boom generation didn't do a good enough job of preventing that and so economic quality It was not one among the boomers great achievements and and and now we have we have really grotesque economic inequality in this country.
That's right You talked about Adam Smith the invisible hand of capitalism boy.
Yeah that invisible hand keeps
keeps giving us all the finger.
Yes it does.
And in relation to the ag bill that is kind of in limbo forever at this point, no one's bringing it up.
I'm surprised that farmers throughout the country aren't angry and bitter about this.
I mean they're losing their labor force because of immigration and now the ag bill is completely
invisible to this administration.
They're a little distracted while they're filing bankruptcy.
People probably haven't heard, but there has been a recent spike in farm bankruptcies
in
this country, a pretty dramatic percentage increase.
And that's on top of what happened over the past several
decades where four million farmers were put out of business
by
changing US agriculture policy.
Four million farmers were put out of business.
We always talk about the 500 farms that were going out of business in Wisconsin.
The thing that
aggravates me, coming from a farming background, is that so often people say, well, farmers just weren't...
weren't farming smart enough, or they couldn't compete, or they kind of blamed the farmers.
When in fact, it was really savage policy that put them out of business.
And I write about the contrast between the US farm economy and the Canadian farm economy.
In Canada, farm bankruptcies are so rare that they don't even...
measure them anymore
because
they don't even have an ongoing statistic for them because they are so exceedingly rare and here it's something of an epidemic and it's because they have a sensible
supply management system that we used to have that kept our farm economy stable and kept those four million farmers in business.
Why did that go away?
Why?
Because big agribusiness wanted it to go away.
They wanted fewer farmers who were operating on a much bigger scale, who were dependent on them for seed, for chemical fertilizers, for chemical pesticides, and they also wanted a glut.
They wanted to subsidize overproduction.
So we went from modulating the food supply to keep farmers in business and keep prices reasonable for consumers.
That's what Canada does to this day.
We
went to a system that still subsidizes.
They marketed it as let's wean farmers from government assistance.
Let's wean them from subsidies.
Farming is as heavily subsidized today as it ever has been, but now they subsidize overproduction because they wanted a glut of corn and soybeans so that they could then
turning some of that into things like fuel and sweeteners,
high fructose corn syrup, right?
Thank
you, Boomer.
Thanks for that.
And so, yeah, they consciously wanted that glut and they also wanted that glut so they could dump cheap food on foreign markets and commandeer their farm economies.
And they put foreign countries,
farm economies on ice and put a whole bunch of people out of business there so that they could take over those markets and become supermarket to the
world.
Well, I have to interject here.
That
was conscious policy.
I'm wondering exactly what the tariff policies are doing as far as, you know, our commodities going over there.
Tariff free are we gonna disrupt their markets?
We've been disrupting their
markets even more so.
Yeah.
Yeah,
I mean they were protecting their markets I don't I don't know if those protections are have con gone down or been taken away through the EU agreement that they have for tariffs I don't know that I can't believe that no one's writing about that right because every every market has to protect their their farmers their their
economies and they rely on them.
We can't let them down.
We can't
let
their
market.
In public policy, we let the Monsanto's of the world, the ADMs, the Cargills, we let them dictate agricultural policy.
And we're now reaping that harvest.
And it's a bitter harvest because we've got four million farmers who've been put out of business.
We still are seeing a surge in farm bankruptcies to this day.
We had a system that yielded an abundance of wholesome food at reasonable prices and kept farmers in business, and we abandoned that system.
Those days are gone.
Oh,
boy.
But
they could come back because they're there in Canada today.
They are.
And
farm suicides are almost non-existent there, and it's a big problem here.
Mike McKay, we got to leave it there.
Thanks for joining us.
Stephanie Miller is coming up next.
It's a problem everybody's ignoring,
and we shouldn't.
We should focus on this.
Just look north.
There we go.
On our next show tomorrow, we'll welcome back Tim Slecker talking about education, also Jim Sandel with Sandel with some attorney advice for us.
Legal stuff.
Legal stuff.
It's all coming up tomorrow.
We hope you have a great day.
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