When the chips are down and democracy's back is up against the wall, two radio veterans step up to the microphone to right the wrongs, standing for truth, justice and just because.
Hey, are they ready to go yet?
It's John and Gordy on 92.7 WMDX.
Yeah,
it's
a little dark yet.
Yeah, I think we're losing the sunrise time.
Are we?
Yeah.
Good morning.
Hey, rise and
shine.
Shake a leg up and down.
Good morning.
What?
Wow, you really got it down, man.
547 is sunrise, but look at outside.
Wow.
I know.
It looks a
little cloudy this morning.
It does.
You know what it is?
It's that Canadian smoke.
It is.
We have another Smoke Alert advisory today, and the Canadian wildfires are continuing, and it's mainly over Minnesota and Wisconsin that will have this haze.
But otherwise, today should be mostly sunny and much cooler.
Wasn't it nice last night?
Oh, it
was great last night, wasn't it?
Finally.
Cool, and open the windows.
Man, it's beautiful this
morning.
WMT X Samsung watch weather Yeah indicates that there is a severe weather alert for air quality.
Oh, oh, they bumped it up.
Yes severe Until Thursday at noon.
We'll see what happens in noon That must have just happened because when I was watching Charlie Shortino this morning over there at the big one five Yeah, he said it was just an advisory so no
No, it says right here.
Really?
Unhealthy at 158,
whatever that is.
Don't go outside
too.
Very
bad, humidity 81%, dew point 55, so that's kind of down there.
That's good.
And
the wind, hardly any, visibility three miles in case you want to take a look outside the upper floor windows of your towering apartment building.
It's
looking good over State Street this morning.
Block off the Capitol.
It does look good.
It should be a nice day all in all, except for the smoke and the haze and the advisory.
If you have any breathing problems at all, just hunker down.
It's a severe advisory.
It's
a severe one, my friends.
I just want to walk again.
I can't go outside.
I got
into the walking around downtown Middleton, and I did that almost every day.
I had fun doing it.
I could drop off my car, put it at the charging station and walk back home.
I mean, I had this whole thing planned out.
My life was set.
And
then this threw everything off.
Now, when you go to the charging station, do you have to use your credit card or something?
That's how it works.
They have a
tap system you just tap your card on.
I see, yeah.
Yeah.
But the thing is you have to sign up for each one of the different kind of charging stations that are out there.
Yeah, I'm there.
I've only found three of them.
I'm signed up for all of them.
I do not have an adapter for the Tesla charging station
though.
I
have to buy one of those.
I think it's like 150 bucks.
Wow.
Yeah, that's a bunch.
I know it's starting to get really expensive.
I'm dealing with trying to get a charging station at home.
Right.
And this has turned into some kind of nightmare that never ends.
Well, you're getting a lot of advice from different areas.
I am, right?
I am.
I had the electrician take a look at it and he said, no, no, we can't put it in here.
It's a hundred amp.
And I said, what about this device that they have that regulates the amperage?
Oh, that's nice.
I'll run that by the city of Middleton.
And I went to the city of Middleton yesterday to check and see where the hell the progress is on that.
What'd they say?
They
have some good answers for you.
The city
electrician was not in, they're never in.
But here's the thing, the person said you really should be calling M-G-N-E.
We don't set the standards, you know?
I mean, they're the ones that are worried about their electrical boxes.
Okay.
So, yeah.
I waited two weeks to get this kind of answer.
So now I called up MGE and I had to leave a message because no one answers the phone there.
So I left a specific message about this.
They expect their call back today, and they say they get back the next day.
You
gotta go to MG&E itself, like the actual plant, maybe go to their front desk and talk about it or something.
You could
try that.
I have faith in answering machines.
They'll probably get back.
They were very specific about...
Definitely getting back the next day.
Well, good.
So we'll see what happens.
So probably call at 730 and it'll be live on the air.
I'll be taking that call.
Good.
We can all listen in.
Yeah.
Good morning to you, John Peterson.
Well, good morning to you, Gordy Young.
Okay.
And good morning to our producer, Boris
McIntosh.
Wait, no.
Throwback hold it.
Dominic Lee.
There
we go.
Oh, yeah.
You sent a full
government name there.
All right.
I don't know.
Why do I have a problem with your name?
I don't know.
It's just Lee.
It's not very... What?
Three letters, you know.
Dom Lee.
There we go.
Dom Lee.
It
rings later.
Dom Lee.
Yeah.
That's what we should call it.
Dom Lee.
Put the accent on the first.
Dom Lee.
Yeah.
Maybe I'll remember that.
My middle name starts with a J too.
My middle name starts with a J. So DJ.
Some people call me DJ sometimes.
Oh, let's call you DJ.
Oh, that's cool.
DJ Lee.
That's kind of cool.
He wants
to be a DJ.
Oh,
well, all right.
Yeah?
See,
that's good.
Practicing
already
here.
It's all good.
All right.
So right now, 61 degrees, the high today in the mid-70s.
Beautiful.
Beautiful.
Not so muggy, not so, you know, not so, you know, well, what are you, whatever.
Nightmarish.
Not so nightmarish, that's what I was going for.
Not so steamy and sticky.
You remember steamy and sticky, they had a great juggling act out in Vegas for years.
They were at the Tropicana and I loved to see their act.
No, I remember the, I think they had a porn film named that.
You would
go
there first.
I mean, that's what
I thought too.
Yeah, okay a little bit later on in the program Tim Slecker will join us in about 25 minutes and talking about education and then Jim Santel in our next hour
Mm-hmm.
Yeah,
yeah good caught up on whatever is going on legally well Supreme Court and everything else
So we were off yesterday, although we did have the Sugar River Pizza Party, and that was a lot of fun.
We did.
Went to the Wisconsin Department of Corrections, and kind of behind the scenes there, got a little tour of the place.
That's right.
Lindsey snuck us in, by the way.
They didn't know we were there.
It's interesting because the...
Well, they did let us know about a couple of things.
They do a lot of work from home.
They do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
In fact, that's the way it's been since the pandemic.
They only come in, you know, a couple of times a week.
And then a lot of times working from home.
So, right.
So it was great to bring the Sugar River pizza in and we had a good time and met some of the folks there.
Yeah, that was kind
of fun.
I loved it.
It was a great
conversation.
There was a lot of variety of pizza, too, from what I noticed.
Yes, that was really, really great.
I did the veggie
pizza.
It was excellent.
I had that going on.
I had the Canadian
ham.
It was really cool.
You know, we found out, I asked, you know, we're sitting around talking, and I said, you know, here's a stupid question, but you know, that's what I specialize in.
Yes, you
asked them once.
And I said, you know, do they still make license plates in the correctional institutions?
That was a good question.
Well, I don't know.
Apparently, they haven't done that for 20 years.
But they did talk about what they do make.
which I found fascinating.
You know those big wooden signs that you see at the places where you pull off the interstate, the welcoming centers, or whatever
they're called,
the rest areas, those big beautiful signs
that are wooden.
They teach the folks how to do that.
Wood burning.
Wood burning, yeah, that's a big thing.
There are a few people remember that.
Do people still wood burn?
I don't
know.
Boy, I got a lot of burns from that.
But they also do a lot of farming,
which I
didn't really realize.
And they use some of that for their facilities in the
kitchens.
Yes.
Yeah,
they have
cooking.
Yeah.
They help people get back into the swing of things.
Right.
Helping them get jobs.
Exactly.
So anyway, thanks to our friends from Sugar River Pizza and also Wisconsin Department of Corrections.
Good times there.
Yeah.
And also, you know, the reason why we had off, we went to the Brewer game.
On Tuesday night, yes.
Yes, Tuesday night.
What a fantastic evening.
Wow.
Well, Brewer fans.
They just blew
those cubs out.
Yeah.
You know, last night
it cubs one and
it's still now.
Yeah.
Brewer's leading by just one
game.
That's it.
Yeah.
That's it.
And by the way, tomorrow we're going to be checking with our sports chief, Mike Clements.
Yeah, he's going to be with us tomorrow.
He's going to have Mike in here.
By the way, I just want to say hello to Linda, who I sat next to for most of the game.
And
she
was fantastic.
Crazy wild person.
Yeah.
She was our winner.
Yeah.
Her brother less.
Yeah.
And they had a good time.
Boy, the seats are great up there.
The club level seats.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And by the way, we'll be giving away more Brewers tickets tomorrow on Free Ticket Friday.
We're on the third base side.
Yeah.
Beautiful.
Should I tell the story?
Yeah, sure.
Why not?
Do we
have time for that?
You know, I like to take at least a half hour when I tell my story.
We have time.
We have time.
We
can squeeze
it in here.
All right.
Well, you know, everybody dreams of finally getting that foul ball.
Oh, yeah.
Right.
Hit toward you.
Yeah.
So yeah, you guys had already left.
Left
early because it was starting to look like a blowout.
So.
So
one of the Brewer players hit
a
foul ball
and
it went sky high.
It
just went way up and I'm sitting, I'm standing, I'm standing and I've got a beer in one hand and nothing in the other hand.
And that ball is just going higher and higher and then it starts dropping and it is dropping exactly right.
toward me.
The only person that ball is going to, I'm just freaking out.
I'm thinking, wow, this is
it.
This is
it.
This is why
we go to the game, you know?
And I raised my hand up and I'm thinking, this is going to be a one-handed catch.
It's going to be, because I got the beer, I don't know where to put it.
And Anne wasn't paying attention
to
me.
Of course not.
She
never paid attention to
me.
She's mad.
So I reached up
and
that ball hit my hand right in the palm.
You know, I guess age prevents my fingers from collapsing around the ball.
Oh,
no.
Fast enough.
Oh, no.
And the ball went trailing down my arm into my seat.
Into your seat.
There you go.
See?
Yeah.
So you got the ball?
No,
I didn't get the ball.
The guy behind me grabbed the ball from my seat.
Oh, man.
Yeah, it's almost like he was grabbing my ass, but he grabbed the ball instead and he kept it.
Oh, nice.
Kept the ball.
I mean I could have turned around and made a big scene.
I could have really gotten angry about it.
We could have had a fist fight out there.
The cameras would have been on us.
We would have made the Jumbotron fight.
It was to me like you didn't even care.
Like when it went behind you and you grabbed it and you're like whatever.
I
did not care at all.
Yeah, I don't know.
About
30s.
But
I didn't care.
It's a Brewer baseball.
What am I going to do with it?
I don't
know.
So that was your big chance.
And I
didn't really care about the ball.
I really had a good chance of getting that.
And if I
had just two hands, I would have gotten that ball.
It dropped.
I mean, there was no speed on it.
It was not hard to catch.
And I could have caught that ball easily.
Well, it's too bad that your wife, Ann, wasn't paying attention.
Because she could have grabbed the beer.
You could have grabbed the ball with two hands.
And then everything would have been great.
So I blame Ann.
Oh, yeah, maybe when I get home
Well, I wouldn't stop by the house and
Okay, all right, I won't Why would I anyway?
It's
19 minutes past the hour.
Oh,
okay, sure.
See if you have the courage.
19 minutes past the hour.
When we come back, we're going to talk about our brand new mic stands we have in the studio.
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We're gonna talk about these brand new, you know, they've been improving the studio.
They have been a little bit here and there, and we finally got these mic stands that we've been waiting for.
There's a reason for improving the studio, and that is that Gen Zers are checking out social media.
I think somewhere around 65, 67% get their information from social media, and only 17% of Gen Zers get their news and information.
from the radio.
So we're slickening up the studio here in order to make our podcast look professional.
Slickening.
And you can check out these mic stands at John and Gordy in the morning on YouTube or 92.7 WMDX Facebook page as well.
Yeah.
And then our own
Facebook page.
They're pretty cool.
We're still learning how they work exactly.
They're a little different, but we've got them adjusted.
Yeah.
Should be okay.
Um,
let's set it.
Wow.
It's a pretty nice review of these mic stands that are almost impossible to adjust.
Well, what do you think, John?
Oh,
how
are you adjusting?
I'm not adjusting to them very much.
Usually.
Well, it's the first day with them.
So a
lot of times you can adjust the mic stand up or down.
They do not do that.
So we still can't stand and do the program standing.
Well,
Maybe we don't know how to adjust correctly.
We haven't read the manual about maybe there's some secret buttons.
A little
close to the desk.
But I can't reach underneath.
Nothing's ever good enough for
you.
Why can't we just get along?
But we can actually move the arm.
I'm looking at this from a positive point of view.
Problem solving.
kind of mood, and I think all we have to do is just move the post around so we can bring the armature a different way instead of from the front to the back.
Dom, what do you think?
I mean, I... Honestly.
No one knows.
Listen,
I don't have... You're driving to work.
No one gives a damn.
But I've never seen Mike Stans like this before
in my life.
I don't have a problem, you know what I mean?
I have a nice Mike Stans right here.
I feel... I know you're rubbing it in.
I do, yeah.
I know you're
swinging that thing around in there.
I know.
This is
day one.
Um, yeah.
No,
I mean, we'll get used.
I mean, I'm sure there's a way to position this.
Yes, it'll work out fine.
I think I think you're right there.
I think it just they're just backwards.
OK.
All right, well, we'll talk to our engineering crew and I'm sure they'll be happy to oblige.
I think they'll stop buying about six months so we can talk to them.
OK,
really?
Oh, my
coffee's way over here.
Look how I have to go around the mic.
OK, you're going to be
able to reach it.
OK.
The other
thing, the other
problem is this.
What?
Okay, the thing that holds the microphone is on a swivel.
Why is that?
And we can't tighten the
swivel.
We
can't tighten
the swivel.
Okay.
I think in a couple of weeks, once we, you know, you guys start figuring it out, there'll be a way to tighten it.
I know there is.
I know there is.
I'm sure they'll put
a little toolkit right here on the desk.
But you know, it's an improvement and I don't want to complain about them.
This is
technology.
And I just think they're positioned in the wrong way and we can bring them around.
And it'll all be fine.
And John won't have to complain to each and every morning about something
else to complain about.
Like the charging stations and Doug pipes in here from St.
Francis.
Yeah, you know, you were saying how you can't get the charging station hooked up to your house and all that.
He says have stay have sage install a charging station at WMDX.
and charging at work.
Why not?
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
Okay, thank you, Doug, for that.
And we were mentioning tomorrow, Mike Clemens will join us.
We went to the Cubs Brewers game on Tuesday night.
We had a fun time there.
And he's our Civic Media Sports Reporter.
He's our chief.
No, he's not chief.
Okay.
Really?
Okay.
He's our
sports reporter for Civic Media.
Okay.
Yeah.
And
we
haven't talked to him in quite a while.
We had him on once or twice before, but it's been a while.
So
it's good to catch up with Mike Clements.
Right.
And then Rocker is taking a break tomorrow because he was all over at Wood Fest this past weekend.
He's still resting from that.
He is still resting from that.
Yeah.
That's a big, big event for him.
In fact, that's his biggest event of the year, I'm sure, getting ready for that.
So when is Mike coming in?
735
or so?
Is
he gonna take the
place of
Rocker?
752.
Last segment.
So
we'll have more of Idiocracy to report.
We've got so many stories.
It's just absolutely ridiculous.
That's
right.
What can you do?
By the way, Dr. Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils is coming up in just a few moments.
And we'll be talking more about AI because
it is
really kind of sweeping the education community.
The other thing is that Linda McMahon, the head of the Department of Education, has put out a list of what they're going to do, what they expect from AI in the schools.
Oh, really?
Yeah,
it's a big
deal now.
They've actually determined that this is what they're going to do.
This is the plan
for AI
in the schools.
And
Tim and Johnny have been talking about this for a long time.
Now we're
going to know for sure.
Excellent.
Very good.
Yeah, from this administration.
From Linda McMahon.
Well, we'll find out more.
She knows wrestling, but really, come on.
Department of Ed,
I can't think of anything
more
opposite.
Oh, God.
Well, we'll talk to Tim Slecker coming up in just a few minutes after the Midwest Farm and Food Report.
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We have Dr. Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils with us this morning.
And I don't know if you noticed, but we have actual mic stands here.
Yeah.
We had a bunch of books that were from the WMDX library.
And they're back in their bookshelves.
You know, they're happy and content back in the back
there.
No, actually, I think Trump banned those books, so we
had to donate that
to the bonfire.
That's
right.
You know, when you have...
Now, books such as you guys have so controversial attached directly to the microphones.
Right.
Oh, you know that what's actually happening there is that ideology is bleeding out into the airwaves.
Yes.
Yes.
You know, you're right.
Yeah.
A lot of DEI.
And we spread that.
Now, now we've been
Updated with these new like
we're still we're still getting used to
any news to them.
They're not real adjustable, but anyway They're fine.
You know
the big news
here We're gonna talk about AI in your latest podcast talk about that and it's an edict from Linda McMahon who really supports it a one-sauce yes She wants to spread that a one-sauce around all of the colleges and all the K through 12 schools because that's that's
That's what it's all about now, AI.
She expects everybody now to use AI instead of their heads, their brains.
You know, this is probably her plan all along.
But anyway, before we get to that, let's talk about what's happened in the courts.
In regards to this, it looks like these lawsuits that Trump had initiated against the colleges are paying off for him, right?
Yeah.
Truly paying off, I think.
You know, two more.
you know the first for sure confirm brown brown is going to pay out you know how much fifty fifty million dollars to restore federal funding sounding you know very similar to what Columbia had to do you know
Looking deeper into this Probably you'll see that you know some of the restoration of funding it could potentially look like well They paid 50 million they got more back in funding, but it still doesn't do away with the fact I mean what are why are they paying out so much anything you know and right now you know
There's the potential it looks like you know lots of higher education sources.
I know those are biased DEI sources, but Point pointing out that Harvard is about ready to fork over a half a billion Wow get the Trumpster to maybe
you know, leave them alone for a little bit.
Yeah, this is a college.
Everybody's watching this thing wind out.
And if this happens, this is going to be super disappointing for everyone in this country.
Well, it seems like Harvard had said, no, we're not going to do anything.
We're not paying any of that thing.
And what changed their minds?
Yeah, just
what's the thinking
behind this?
I don't know.
You know, you start to hear people say, you know, like, look.
We're just paying him so we can move on and do the work we're supposed to be doing I guess I get that from the standpoint of you know Okay, this is just a hassle if we pay him he'll go away I But somebody you know Harvard first of all if you have a half a bill available
to make somebody go away, I bet you probably then have enough resources to continue to stand up for and push back on this because as both of you guys were saying, this was the one model that was giving a lot of higher education hope that there would be some type of principled resistance that was meaningful.
If this 500 million is what's going to be used so that they can, quote, get back to normal, I think what happens here is that the normal is what is being ushered in, which is pay to play.
So to stay in business, there's going to be some form of a payout required.
Now it will come in the form of some type of violation and in lieu of admitting guilt, you're paying out money, but it's disturbing to see the kind of, as you say, the acquiescence of...
very powerful institutions, right?
Very deep pocketed.
And so, you know, think about some of the small, you know, privates that have, you know, more of a history in their local communities.
They don't have big resources, deep pockets.
They've been doing the work that they've been doing over the years.
And
what does that tell them about, you know, hey, if this focus comes on to you guys, you're, you're kind of out on your own, no resources typically for, you know, a small part.
And again, all the state public institutions, community colleges without deep resources, this really starts to push at
Do we have an independent education system committed towards research, thought, balancing viewpoints and things like that?
Because this is the concern.
We talked about this.
Is this similar to what Victor Orban was doing in Hungary or had done?
And I checked.
Well, I'm sorry, John, but I've stopped using my brain, too.
Check the AI.
I checked the AI.
And, you know, it's comparing Trump's actions in the US with Orban's Hungary.
Yeah, so both urban and Trump employee institutional pressure to control university governance and funding targeting perceived ideological Opponents DEI programs use of legal and executive mechanisms to reshape academic Academy So Yeah, is is the or what we seeing here this kind of a roadmap.
I don't know but I do
Kind of like, you know, as we say, well, maybe we'll pivot to again back to Linda McMahon and her A1 sauce, but in an inside higher education report dealing with the, you know, looks like Harvard's about ready to put over a half billion.
Education Secretary Linda McMahon called this a roadmap for elite universities that wish to regain the confidence of the American public.
Wow.
So regain the confidence.
You know, everything they do
is
to regain confidence in whatever it is they're trying to destroy,
right?
Voting.
Money
grab.
University is whatever it is.
We can regain confidence in the fact that we have taken them over and made them bend the knee.
That is what it's all about here.
Well, I'm just wondering, too, with this dismantling of the Department of Education, basically, how much of this is actually affecting this school year that's just about to start?
Is it trickled down to where there's a lack of funding for this coming fall?
Is the federal government just throwing it back to the states?
Oh, it's up to you to figure out how to fund your elementary schools and high schools.
Yes and
yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Looking at because even if it's not directly impacting quote this year's budget people are making projections out and knowing that you know if it's gonna start next fall You know you're still gonna have to make cuts that are gonna Be something that you can you know keep the ship floating I guess with you know a few few holes, but how do you keep moving?
It's you know, I just read a thing that too with
Special education right now there, you know, hey federal government were States We think you should ask for waivers to be allowed to disregard Special education rules because those special education rules are a real problem for you implementing special education programming so
Do away with the rules will give you money So that you can then use that money to implement and see one of the things with the rules on special education was to guarantee that those students get the resources they're supposed to so yeah, it's it's a
What do you want to say, a poop show?
Yeah.
Well, I can tell you with having a couple of special ed grandkids that have struggled all the way.
One of them is 14 years old and one of them is eight years old.
That special ed just gets pushed to the shop ever since the pandemic.
They're the last in line to get funding they're the last in line to get you know more teachers There's always
they're
always looking for new teachers and assistants And this is just another you know well push it down to the end of the road because nobody you know They don't get they don't get anything
you know they get as
little as possible to just get by It's aggravating it's it's you know, it's really frustrating for the parents
You know, everybody involved.
And for the kids.
And
for the kids, yes, especially the kids.
You know,
yeah.
And too, it's always wrapped up in, you know, as this one, you know, ask for a waiver.
We'll give you more money so that you can do what you know is best.
I think a lot of leaders in schools are saying, OK,
We do want to do that.
But, you know, what the longer term picture is, is to say, okay, what is the overall big budget implications across all of this?
And could some school districts say, okay, yeah, we're going to do away with these waivers to get money that was supposed to go for special education, but now without the waivers, we don't have to put it there.
And we're going to use it to balance out our budget.
because of all the other cuts that have been implemented.
So you start asking this question, kind of a broader philosophical question, which is, do we value our children in this country and stack up the evidence from the point of view of what we're starting to see?
And the answer seems to be coming across
Well, not your children.
Right.
Right.
Exactly.
You know, Matt Middleton texted us.
He says, if your goal is a failed state run by religious fanatics, it helps to have an uneducated public with media control by the party and authoritarian-led countries don't do well.
Just saying.
And he's pretty right on that.
You know, a while back, Tim, I had a little history on universities.
According to the book, The Bright Ages, faculty and students united against outside political interference is baked into the core of modern...
universities.
In fact, it quite literally is why we have institutions called universities.
Right.
It's really interesting.
Yeah, something to ponder here.
We'll come back with Dr. Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils on John and Gordy in the Morning.
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Ain't you heard of my school?
It's his number one in the state.
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He's true to Trump University online classes.
That's what he's promising, right?
That's what he wants everybody to do.
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You know, and now, Tim, Trump has decreed that everybody can now push their religion on their fellow workers in their businesses.
Yeah, you can actually confront them and try to get them to change their religion.
It's religious freedom in the workplace, in the federal government.
In federal government offices.
Yeah.
And, you know, it just seems to like...
coincide with what's going on about how they're pushing these universities to told their line the way they want things to run and I again I don't know what's behind you know the settlement packages but if they start acquiescing you know some of the control and in hiring teachers DEI teachers from the conservative side of the aisle all of that stuff is really really not gonna work out real well
for our confidence in our public universities or private universities, right?
Well, you don't believe in the roadmap?
I'm sorry.
Maybe I should look at the details
of the
roadmap.
So
one of those old kind of
roadmaps you fold up and you can't fold it back together.
Yeah,
we have GPS now.
We don't read
the roadmaps
anymore.
But, you know, it's so weird because, you know, here we have Linda McMahon, you know, now putting out her advancing artificial intelligence education for American youth.
Her plan.
Her plan.
This is the
person who a month ago said it was A1 sauce.
How much confidence can we have in
our school systems anymore?
Oh my goodness.
I know.
You know, and Johnny and I, yeah, talked about.
this, it actually came across, and you're referring more deeply to the actual plan, but the quote, the Dear Colleague letter, which was released on July 22nd from the Department of Education about, you know, how to use AI in classrooms in K-12 in college.
And we pointed out that, you know what, this is probably the first Dear Colleague letter that, you know, at face
value, we're like, okay, this, this isn't bad stuff, you know, and you're going to give money to schools that are well, you know, that are going to do some of the good things that we think AI can do.
It comes in, we have to look at everything from the bigger picture of going, okay, so why the emphasis here and why not create funding for other things that are very beneficial for students or why the defunding in ways that harm special education students, but yet money available to push.
And I'll use the word push and again, I I really believe in the power of AI and education But you know, why is the money here?
But maybe the other question here is this going like does a dear colleague letter from a department that is in the midst of dismantling itself
matter.
Good
question, boy.
That's why they don't want educated people.
They'll ask questions like that, tough ones.
Good question.
You know, it's something you wonder about because it's like, wait, Linda McMahon, you were hired to dismantle the Department of Education.
Why are you putting out?
You know kind of advice letters and We're gonna have money and are do you really have money to give in grants because what happens when you're closed?
Do we get the money?
It's it's it's confusing
Well, the other thing, too, is this AI can be influenced by whoever's created the AI, whoever has control over it.
They can make it sound any way they want, and then slipping that into the schools with this kind of administration that really wants to dictate what we think and say, I don't know.
I'm more skeptical of AI at this point now
than
ever
before.
Well, one of the good developments over
the past six months though is the the fallout between the the the two you know boys on the playground uh elon and uh donald you know not liking each other anymore we were we kind of speculated about this boy what if those two were really getting along still right now
and now you're
talking about it go i wonder if the dear colleague letter would would actually ban all access to ai except groc
Yes.
And now, John, you
start
to really worry about going, OK, wait a minute, they're mandating.
And people might look at me and say, well, that would be silly.
Actually, really?
Because when it comes to what we call the so-called science of reading,
There is mandated by federal and state law that schools have to use a specific curriculum by specific people who release it, and that if you use anything else, you'll actually face penalties.
So the idea of that type of coercion, it's there.
It is there.
Well, we have to leave it there.
And Dr. Tim Slecker, thank you for joining us.
You can always check out Busted Pencils on Civic Media Radio Network.
Great podcasts.
Tim, good to talk to you.
Thank you.
Talk
to
you next time.
And in our next hour, Attorney Jim Santel will join us on John and Gordy in the morning.
And then we'll talk about the church key.
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You know, it looks like I'm just gonna have to put off my little run.
What do you mean?
In
downtown Middleton today, you know, I was gonna do my best Sylvester Stallone.
Really?
You know, I was gonna get up on the steps of City Hall, about three or four steps.
It's
not exactly
like Philadelphia.
No, but you know, I'm thinking, you know, it was an effort.
It's, you know, it's consciously something I'm trying to do.
Yeah.
But you know, because of the
Severe smoke warning now.
I'm just gonna have to put it off another month.
I guess so just stay home a month
again
a month next month Okay, it's it's a few hours away.
Mmm.
So we have we have this text I thought people at Harvard are smart if they blend if they bend the knee and fork over
half billion Trump is truly just come back for more.
That's right.
He's going to come back
for more.
He'll come back for more, sir.
Why wouldn't he?
He
will get mad at whatever they're going to do next and ask for more.
Demand it.
That's what it's really all about.
Now, let's get into the church key real quick here because we've been getting text on this.
yes
they stay open they had announced you know we had the big announcement on monday that's right we had a
hundred
thousand
calls
Lamenting
full wash of the
key and all of the other clubs that have closed down and suddenly because of us the listener reaction They decided to stay open right?
That's all because of us because of
us.
Yes.
Yeah, I think cheese there
might the public panic Think that way too.
I've never seen more text on the text line before and then that then that day
well, and apparently they had shut down to remodel
to sell the place, right?
They were going to upgrade.
Is that what they're
doing?
That's what I read.
Yeah, but now they're just going to finish up the remodeling and reopen because they got all this public reaction.
So they discovered, hey, we still have some fans out there.
Just get them back in here and we'll be OK.
Not only that, they want to reopen
by August 28 for the first
UW Badger football.
Oh, well, they're making big plans, man.
This is this is it.
So thank you everybody for reacting and keeping the church key
bar and grill open.
Right.
Very good.
10 minutes past the hour.
Hey, let's open up the phone line.
608-879-8255.
Dick is on the phone this morning.
What do you got for us, Dick?
Good morning.
Well, real quick on the church key, I always had a little problem with the fact that
Uh, real good friend of ours father.
His visitation was there back in the early seventies.
It was a funeral home.
That's right.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, it was.
Yeah.
But, um, to the excuse of the day, Trump with the Epstein thing.
Yeah.
Um, you know, just one little word was so out of line and nobody picked up on it except the late night people when he was asked about, you know, had he been to that, uh, Errol Flynn Island or whatever they called it.
Yeah.
Right.
He said, no.
I hadn't had the pleasure.
Right.
I don't know who said it, but Colbert, I think that it was classic.
He goes, well, I haven't had the pleasure of dining with Jeffrey Dahmer either.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Why didn't somebody pick up on it and say pleasure?
Excuse me.
Yeah,
a little, yeah, a little
Freudian slip.
Yeah, I'd say that's all.
Thank you for pointing that out.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Appreciate that.
Again, 608-879-8255.
All right.
Coming up in a little while, we'll talk to Jim Santel in our next half hour, attorney-at-law.
Yeah.
Now let's get to gerrymandering.
You know, Texas is deciding to gerrymander now.
Yeah.
in the middle of the decade where people don't normally gerrymander because they want to pick up about five seats in the house and keep their majority there.
Yeah, just let's do that and we've got the majority
again.
It's not so much an agenda and people supporting that agenda and saying, hey, you guys got some great ideas and we're going to compete.
But no, instead, they're just going to do it the easy way and that is to gerrymander.
No, like they did here in this state.
Of course, in this state, the Republicans
insist they did not gerrymander.
Did you know that?
No, I
didn't
know that.
It's
not a gerrymandered map at all.
But I did see an interview with one of the Democrats in Texas last night that they were thinking about doing the same thing that Wisconsin Democrats did actually leave the state so they don't have enough votes to have a vote.
Yes, a quorum.
A quorum, right.
So that's in the works too.
Okay, let's play something from one of the representatives from Texas.
guy we play off a lot on this program.
It's James Taylorico.
Okay.
And he's had this.
Oh, what?
The voice note?
We got a voice note from from.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, let's do that.
That's what we're talking about.
Yes.
Let's
go to that.
Hello guys.
I wanted to bring your attention to one James Taylorico in Texas.
He's a liberal pastor.
Democratic legislator down there, and he might turn Texas blue.
And I love that he's flipping the argument and he's taking it to this abuse of the Christian faith that the Christian nationalists and MAGA are doing.
So, yeah, look into him.
He's a rising star.
Thanks, guys.
All right.
Thank
you.
That's Matt Middleton.
Let's listen to Gavin Newsom's comment about that.
He's the first guy that reacted to this whole idea of German rain
in Texas.
We're trying to play by one set of rules and these folks on the other side of play by.
completely different set of rules.
So much so that the president of the United States called Greg Abbott and told him, in essence, find five additional seats so he can rig the election next year and maintain the power and authority with the House of Representatives, which de facto amounts to no power, no authority, complete capitulation so Trump can continue to run rough shot over our rights and liberties.
We're trying to play by one set of rules, and these folks on the other side have played by a completely different set of rules.
So much so that the President of the United States called Greg Abbott and told him, in essence,
to find...
Now, here's
the thing.
There's a little problem with California maybe trying to do the same thing.
When
Newsom's plan faces an independent commission...
in the golden state that has maintained authority over redistricting since 2011.
So they've got an independent commission doing the redistricting.
So they have to convince them to go back in the middle of the decade
to
redistrict.
So it comes a little...
It's independent, so they don't have to do it.
In fact, they would rather not do it because it's independent.
They're trying to maintain some separation between the influence of politics in doing the redistricting.
Yeah, Gavin Newsom is really starting to speak out quite a lot.
He's got his own podcast now, and he's got guests coming in and really going.
In fact, here's a cut of him a few days ago talking about how Democrats have got to get out there, got to spite back.
So let's listen to that.
I'm sick and tired of being on our heels, got to be on our toes.
It's not about, you know, fighting back.
It's about leaning forward and it's about setting the tone and tenor.
I'm sick of this party needs to wake up.
These guys aren't screwing around.
And I say this not in literal sense, but they're assassins when it comes to the way they weaponize grievance and the way they play politics.
Enough.
I mean, what more damn evidence do we need?
I mean, they've rolled back the last half century.
In real time, that's just six months.
Can you imagine this guy having an additional 42 months with no system of checks and balances, no oversight?
I mean, seriously.
The hell else more evidence do you need?
This is an existential moment.
And so Democrats, if we want to have a party, if we want to be functioning, not just as a party, but as a democracy, if we want a system of checks and balances, we believe in the rule law.
If you believe in popular sovereignty, this is not about popular sovereignty.
This guy wants to wire.
He tried to break this democracy, try to light it on fire on January 6th.
He just made a call to the governor of Texas saying, in this case, not find me the votes, but find me new seats to rig the game.
If we want to still be in this game, we need to disabuse ourselves, disenthrall ourselves.
of the status quo in the past.
We have got to enter a new mindset and we've got to get back on this playing field and we've got to do with the kind of vigor that our kids and grandkids deserve, that liberty and freedom deserves this moment.
The founding fathers deserve, the principles that define the best of Roman and public and Greek democracy.
That's on the line unless we stand the line and stand guard of this democracy and that means we got to go on offense.
No more defense, go on offense, fight fire with fire.
So you ask me, am I in?
I'm all in.
You ask me, am I committed?
I'm all in, committed and resolved.
And so this is not a bluff.
This is a moment to be held to a higher level of accountability.
Oh yeah, that's Gavin Newsom in
California.
He's fired up.
Yeah.
Well, there's a lot of talk about what the Democrats can do, the positions they should take, and,
you
know, I'm getting bored with it all.
You know, it seems pretty obvious what you should do, and that is to tell the truth, and make a plan.
We've been talking about on this program for a long time.
Promise universal health care.
Get rid of all these little things that, by the way, by the way, they're being weaponized now.
They're taking healthcare away from people to punish them, to make them do what they want for this particular administration.
That's the bad part of using healthcare as a weapon against the public.
So if we get universal healthcare, they can't do that anymore, period.
But at the same time, let's face it, by the end of this four year term, we're not gonna have the government we knew for the last two centuries, right?
I mean, it's gonna be gone.
So what we need to do is promise how to rebuild it.
Not sustain what we had and go back to what we had, but rebuild government and reconstruct it.
And if we came up with a plan of doing just that, and I think that's important as well, that should be our agenda.
Universal healthcare and restructuring the government to become more efficient and better serve the public at a lower cost and giving public government programs
the initiative that they need in order to solve our
problems.
Let's see, we've got a call on the line, but we don't have time for it, but hang on the line there, 608-879-8255.
We'll get to that in a moment.
And coming up in our next half, our Jim Santel, attorney at law, will be with us.
But you're right, John.
I mean, the Democrats have got to do something and they've got to get together and maybe have a convention or something where they...
Get all the they need youth all the leaders and the up-and-coming leaders.
Yeah, they do need they need new ideas They need new ideas and
I've got an idea on that and we'll
we'll we'll get to that in just a few moments for that coming up on John and Gordy in the morning here on WM DX Madison
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Emergency, emergency.
Tapman speaking.
Warning all of you to brace yourselves for big news.
Okay,
Brittany
Merlot
has joined us now.
What
is the big news?
Does this
have anything to do with the air quality?
Brittany, tell us, what's going on?
I don't even know.
Can you hear me through this cloud of smoke?
I don't know.
It's
awful.
I can't even see you guys.
No, tell us what's happening.
This is not healthy.
This is very, very unhealthy.
Oh my gosh.
We're in an air quality alert, right?
We've seen this for a couple of days now, but it is so thick.
Across the state, we're all in that red level, about approaching 200 AQI, but up in Green Bay, Door County, Northeast, Northwoods, they're in the purple, very unhealthy levels.
I'm seeing pictures right now where you can't even see very far.
No kidding.
Thick of smoke.
Wow.
Yeah.
That's
incredible.
Well,
I have
a severe alert on my Samsung official weather watch.
It's looking bad.
It's looking bad.
Okay.
So
my weather window is definitely saying that, too.
So people that have breathing issues should just
wait.
We gave her a
weather window.
Yes.
Okay.
So we have that this is going to expire at noon But I really think that a lot of this smoke is gonna kind of linger through the evening should be out here probably eight or nine o'clock completely I hope fingers crossed because I had enough of this but the DNR Wisconsin DNR has mobilized some of our Personnel and trucks and stuff and they are going they're already in California Canada stuff like that.
So they're helping out in different areas, but
Yeah, that was it, right?
We still have to read this in today.
So I'm kind of near a prior fryer.
I've got that set up in my house.
That's helping me.
All right.
You go outside.
Pretty rough.
Okay.
Well,
other than that.
But what happens to the next
few days here, we
must have
good news.
Yes.
Good weather
on the way very, very comfortable.
So comfortable highs today.
75 degrees.
We're still looking at mid 70s tomorrow.
Upper 70s on Saturday and flirting with 80 degrees on Sunday.
And once this wildfire smoke is gone, there's nothing but sunshine.
All day, today, tomorrow, and all weekend.
No rain in the forecast, nothing like that.
So we're good to go with all our outdoor plans.
Yeah.
Excellent.
See, you know, maybe
Trump was right.
You know, with all the smoke now, how are those solar panels going to work?
We're going to be out
of energy
pretty soon.
But
the windmills will pick up the slacks.
The windmills, yeah.
Right?
And
they're grinding out the flour.
That's great
stuff.
Flour and the grain will be fine.
All right.
All right, Brittany, thank you very much.
You have a good day.
We'll talk to you again tomorrow.
You too.
It's Brittany Merlot, our civic media meteorologist, doing a great job.
OK, before I get to my solution to the problem the Democrats have, let's go to the phones.
Ah, yes.
We've got Mark on the line.
Mark, what do you got for us?
Good morning.
when i had the dog out for his walk this morning and listen to Tim and the attack on education i mean there's nothing new conservative governments to go after educators i mean that's that's why they went up for socrates because he was they said while he was corrupting youth by making them question their government and uh... thinking rather freely uh... yeah it is it is just uh... with trump doing this stuff is the attack on education attack attack on democracy itself and it's nothing with nothing less than that because these guys
do not believe in democracy and we have to confront them any pp any any of these people republicans and democrats that matter that are not criticizing donald trump for doing this stuff telling the university's all the anti-semitism what about the anti-semitism in this country that they kept this country from accepting jewics escape the fascists in europe you know back up prior to world war two i mean in the in the anti-semitism has been going on for
thousands of you know a couple thousand years apparently when the Romans you know it just you know sacked Jerusalem and and caused the first diaspora that it is just beyond me that we don't recognize that and for that they're not criticizing Jews necessarily criticizing the the Israeli government which is a whole separate thing
yeah
well we're
looking at we're looking at them weaponizing anti-semitism
Yeah.
They're just saying that in order to attack the universities.
This is an anti-Semitism.
This is just protesting.
There may be a few people out there who are saying some really bad things, but we can't.
paint everybody with that paintbrush, and that's what they're doing, and then they're going after the funding to these colleges in order to make them count out to their line.
And it's just being used as a weapon.
That's all it's being used for.
It's not anti-Semitism in any kind of movement whatsoever.
All right.
Let's remember that Trump never did kind of criticize.
He said, oh, there's good people on both sides where the guys are saying.
Oh,
yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Jews shall not replace us well.
Yeah,
that's what the Nazis did and and Trump doesn't care and the Nazis
support Trump Yeah, so there's a reason for that as well.
Thanks mark
appreciate the mark.
Thank you for that call All right, it is 729 when we come back.
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WMDX John DeGorte in the morning and it's a smoke filled morning.
So it is.
We're bumping into each other.
We can't see the car in front of
us.
Yes, it's hazy, but it's much cooler out there and highs in the mid-70s today and we will see some hazy sunshine through the day.
Yeah, that's a group, isn't
it?
Hazy sunshine?
Hazy sunshine.
They were big back
in the 70s.
They toured the East Coast a lot.
I played a lot of college campuses.
Don't hear much from them anymore.
Let's see, should we go to the phones first?
We've
got Jim Santel standing by here,
attorney
at law, but we have a call here from CJ.
Good morning, CJ.
What do you got for us this morning?
How you doing?
Good morning, gentlemen.
Thank you for taking my call.
And Mr. Canole, thank you for taking my call too.
Yeah, you know, I you talk about the Democrats problem.
I don't think they have a problem I want them to keep doing what they're doing Going that further left road We see it with anti-semitic statements the colleges
out there the
mayor running in New York.
Yeah The globalization of antipodata and
I think it's just beautiful.
You guys keep going.
I love it.
Well, I say to you guys not to keep going get out of the way We're coming and no one's gonna like your agenda Especially after everything takes hold.
You know the tariffs.
It's so much fun to watch you Yeah, you guys are welcoming the tariffs
paying higher
taxes for
the
goods that you're gonna be buying at the store
Yeah, amazing.
We're complaining about
inflation a little while ago and now you're ready to pay more money
because we're gonna pay taxes.
Well, they're tariffs basically.
It's a value added tax, you know, that's what it's called, a value added tax in the European countries.
Go ahead.
You know what I say?
Buy American guys.
Oh, that's it.
Yes.
Then you don't have to pay the tariff, right?
Well, that's
true.
Every time you look at those labels, when you go to buy a new car, you know what?
And now the European Union, you make fun of the tariff.
We're going to be able to sell Cadillacs now.
Well, that's a great fit.
Good Cadillacs.
That's a great fit in
Europe.
I'm sure I still love them over in Europe.
And
you
guys keep going loud.
You know, CJ, I can't wait till we have Tennessee olive oil.
You know, for some reason it just... All right, CJ, thanks
a
lot.
We got to get to our guest Jim Santel here, but I appreciate the call.
Jim, welcome to the program.
We got so much going on legally and...
I think tomorrow marks a big day in the Wisconsin Supreme Court.
Let's talk about
that.
Yes, tell us about it.
Absolutely.
Ann Walsh Bradley, who's been on the bench since 1995, 30 years, a tremendous tenure on the Wisconsin Supreme Court.
She is concluding her work officially today, and Susan Crawford gets sworn in tomorrow as
the next newest Chief Justice, not the Chief, but the Justice of the Supreme Court.
She joins a bench that is for demographic purposes, we should account.
It has six women and one man.
And diverse as we know from terms of perspective, the departure of Ann Walsh Bradley as much as the continuing judges, justices,
And the arrival of Crawford, all significant, but Ann Walsh Bradley has been an icon in this state for entire tenure, major decisions, and is also one of those people on the bench, whether it's the circuit court and appeals court.
Wisconsin Supreme Court, she is a good person.
She's a serious person, but she is also a good person in terms of always asking, what is the right thing to do?
How do we analyze this in a way that makes sense under the law?
What are the facts?
And regardless of where you come from, what your perspective is on life, whether it's politically, partisan views,
That's the kind of person you want on the bench.
Somebody who applies the rule of law, and she has been just that.
We celebrate her today.
She is going to, obviously, she's going to continue to be a part of our community, just not on the Wisconsin Supreme Court, effective tomorrow.
Yeah, well, one of the big races next year, of course, we'll be talking about the next Supreme Court race.
And it's not so much I want to see more liberals on the bench.
I just can't understand...
What's your name?
Rebecca Bradley.
I've never seen anybody more partisan, more unqualified to be on the bench than Rebecca Bradley.
Hard to say.
I mean, we had some bad people, Gableman, who lost his license.
He was on there at one time.
So, you know, this is going to be a great race to check out, especially against Rebecca Bradley, who is very partisan.
Prior to being on the bench, we knew all about her.
She really hated the gay community.
She really hated liberals and Democrats in editorials that she wrote for the university newspaper.
I mean, all of these things
things are documented and she has actually done that on the bench.
She's been very partisan called, who was it, Governor Evers, I believe, a tyrant for asking people to stay home during a pandemic.
Right, right.
And those issues, to all of that, to that list, you add that last point, John, which is language, right?
When we look to judges,
Again, we anticipate, as I said with Ann Walsh Bradley, that they're going to be doing their jobs.
It means something when judges speak as they do.
And they set the tone for the state, they set the tone for the country.
And you can disagree, as our United States Supreme Court does, as justices on the Wisconsin Supreme Court do on a regular basis.
And you can write about your disagreements and explain those.
The ad hominem attacks the nature of the language and the the ways in which he describes the behavior of government officials, other members of the bench.
All of that is beyond what you would anticipate from any justice on the bench at all.
Yeah, it is shocking almost just to hear her describe the race that let's listen to.
This this cut this is oh, I don't exactly have that.
I'm sorry Anyway, I had a cut for from Rebecca Bradley.
I Kind of lost the number on that one.
But anyway, let's move on to Some of the other things do you want to talk about here?
There's a lot going on actually so let us know what's happening.
Mm-hmm Sure, I think that you know as we think maybe this is maybe this is all judges morning.
Maybe that's what yeah, right?
Yep
I believe, and I think most people looking at this believe this to be, once again, a very self-focused move.
Got our president through the Treasury Department.
Think about that to begin with.
It was imposing sanctions upon the Brazilian.
Yes, I didn't get that wrong.
He's in Brazil.
He's presiding over the trial, the criminal trial of Jair Bolsonaro.
What was he charged with by a charging authority?
They're in a foreign country over which we've got no jurisdiction, right?
What was he charged with?
He was trying to put together a plot.
And the initial indication is an awful lot of evidence just to support his attempt, again, to stay in office.
This was in 2022.
And that matter going to trial in front of this particular judge in Brazil.
By the way, that issue, that subject, should sound familiar, right?
And because of that, my president has always endeared himself to Bolsonaro again, no longer in the position of leadership there.
And just the past day or so is now through his Treasury Department, sanctioning this judge for his what?
His handling of the case involving Bolsonaro.
Could you imagine if, name your country.
Name your country, name the head of any country out there whether it's France, North Korea, Australia, you name a Thailand who would be sanctioning a judge in America because of the way that she or he is handling a criminal case in our jurisdiction.
Yes,
yes.
It's stunning.
And of course, again, it's just a part of this general attack on the judiciary everywhere and anywhere.
but it is stunning once again.
It's also imposing, speaking about tariffs as you were just doing, we basically have it in for Brazil these days, and that was his subject matter just a day or so.
But this judicial matter, again, it is stunning to use our government to try to impact legitimate judicial actions of another nation.
And that's what my president is doing this week.
Yeah, that's crazy.
Talking to attorney Jim Santel at 744.
Jim, what do you think about, you know, closer to home here?
This whole brouhaha about the Epstein files, and she wanted to go.
Justine Maxwell wanted to go to the Supreme Court.
Did that get knocked down?
Have they decided they're going to hear something on this case?
I
didn't check my newsfeed just this morning, which could always change overnight.
But she's seeking review.
She's filed all sorts of things, including a petition for habeas corpus, which basically means just release me.
I like to think I would hope that those kinds of things are going nowhere.
The greater concern there, Gordy, is this entire undertaking with the deputy attorney general who's sitting down with her last week and telepathy.
It is extraordinary, first of all, that the second in command, he's responsible for administering the Department of Justice, that he is the one who personally is doing this, all kinds of reasons why you don't want that to happen.
You want an agent to do it if you decide to do it at all.
But ask ourselves, what is the end game here?
Mr. Epstein himself has killed himself.
He is no longer here.
She has been convicted that it can be under review.
There are no further cases to investigate here.
We know who the victims are.
We hope that they're getting the support and the assistance that they need from the federal government, from the state government, everything out there.
What is the end game here in terms of law enforcement?
What is
the case that you want to bring that has not yet been addressed here?
And the answer is none.
And so one asks once again, what is the Department of Justice doing?
Are you doing gets back to this notion that this was a fellow who is the former lead counsel of my president during the course of that trial in front of Judge Mershan, 34 counts of violations of New York law.
He has an attorney-client relationship.
It continues to this day with the president.
Those never go away.
Everyone has to look at that and say the motivation for this is because the president looks to him and says I trust you although Mr. Blanche was not successful in getting a and again a an acquittal there But I trust you go down there find something for me to seize upon This is doing the president's own personal bidding to accomplish
and it just, again, he's dangling pardons out there.
Perhaps there's a way of doing what, encouraging her to say something that's going to affect this case.
There's so many questions.
What are we doing here?
Is the ultimate one?
And the answer is nothing law enforcement
related.
There is one thing though, you know, the tariffs are going to go into effect, the threatened tariffs anyway, tomorrow, but you know, there is a hearing, I believe, appeals court hearing today in regards to Trump overstepping his authority to put any tariffs at all in place.
So, wow, you know, after all of this.
Exactly.
And again, we look at that thing we call the Constitution.
And among many, many other things, it gives to the legislature, right?
It's article one.
There is pages and pages of lists of things that only the Congress can do or does initiate and then pursues and perhaps gets the imprimatur of the president at some point.
But this is one of them, those kinds of things.
Exactly.
And
we've got judges out there repeatedly in this area and others saying,
government can do these kinds of things, yes, but it's got to be the right branch of government.
It can't just be the judiciary doesn't do this and it's got to be the right branch.
It's the legislature.
That's what the judges are saying.
Well, we're going to talk about how he's destroying the judicial branch in just a few moments with Bovi.
We'll get more from Jim Santel in just a few moments.
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That's right.
All right, Jim, let's talk about, I think I have the name,
Emil Bovee, right?
I think that's right.
Yes, we know who we're talking about, right?
Emil Bovee.
Again, I hear various things.
Maybe that's one of those things that we should confirm because he is now going to be
Judge Beauvais and he is going to be on the third Circuit Court of Appeals confirmed by our United States Senate, not surprisingly.
just this past weekend, so he will be on there, a lifetime tenure.
He is 44 years old.
That's very young as all your listeners know well, which means he will be on the bench probably for decades.
He's
scary looking
to me.
There may be other judge assignments as well, but he is confirmed now.
This is the fellow who is responsible for all these
either directly or indirectly, all these firings of former prosecutors, those who prosecuted with Jack Smith, the cases against Donald Trump, those who prosecuted the January 6th insurrectionists.
And it comes from Emil Beauvais' pen and hand.
He is also the one who very notoriously will not use the word, but told a group of people, we now have more confirmation of this inside the department,
When it comes to responding to federal judges who are telling you what to do, you can simply tell them F you.
That's
right.
That's right.
Right.
This is that fellow.
And it'd be interesting as a litigant.
I'd not be me.
Others out there in the third circuit.
If the judge now from the bench looks at an appellant appellate lawyer and says, we need to have you do this, your client.
What is your response among the alternatives now?
We've got what?
Emil Beauvais at least had suggested to the Department of Justice lawyers when it comes to handling the governments, the nations, the public's business.
We don't care about judges to tell them we don't, we're not going to follow what you do.
That's the kind of person who is now going to be on the second highest court just below the United States Supreme Court, one of about 11 or 12 of them, but still a position of tremendous responsibility for decades to come.
Yeah.
Okay.
Why,
it's just
insane to put somebody on who gave that kind of advice to the attorneys, you know, FU.
I
just, I'm stunned.
I don't know why, why aren't we all stunned?
Why isn't CJ stunned?
Why isn't anybody stunned at that?
You know, we're all stunned, aren't
we?
And we talked about this a bit when Adam Schiff during the course of Beauvais's confirmation hearing asked him about those not public reports, but reports from whistleblowers.
Now we've got at least two, maybe three people confirming the same thing.
He said, did you do this?
Recall what now Judge Beauvais said, I don't recall if I said that.
Well, and again, good Adam Schiff, former assistant US attorney, former prosecutor, did not let him get away with that and said, you don't recall.
conversation about how we handle controversies in court.
And this particular matter, you don't recall saying that just weeks ago.
And the answer was, I don't recall.
Yeah.
Which is basically an affirmation that you said that.
I remember.
And it's a way to avoid perjury.
Well, I
said a number of times, I remember him also saying, recall what?
Well,
I said, I
said what?
Right.
And
then of
course, you know, it's just that you mean, you're going to make me say this all over again.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I know.
This is the kind of thing that again, none of us did this.
But when we're in the fourth grade and mom and dad caught us doing something bad with friends or even inside the home, the initial look was what?
No, not me.
It was the dog.
It was my sister.
It was my brother.
I don't remember.
What are you talking about?
We should not, we maybe expect that of fourth graders, but we don't expect that of someone and the federal appeals court of the United States of America.
Right.
Unbelievable.
Are we expecting the Supreme Court to have some other issue on the shadow docket for Trump?
He has an incredible record so far of getting approval.
Anything else coming
up?
He absolutely does.
I was doing some inventory on this.
Do you know that during the course of the
Bush and Obama era, that's 16 years, two terms each, right?
On behalf of the government, the Solicitor General, again, very different administrations, asked for emergency relief, a whopping eight times, eight times, four of those granted.
In Donald Trump's first term, he asked for it 40 different times.
And by my count, we're up to 20 right now.
And so again, the issue is not only the shadow docket,
But also the emergency nature, the urgency, what to fire people to basically go after the, again, as you indicated before, go after the courts in this land to do all these things to stop government from happening that has been going on for decades, if not generations.
And the urgency, apparently the Supreme Court also identifying and saying that only, yes, indeed, we've got to stop this terrible thing from happening that's been going on for all this period of time.
And then also,
will grant you what you want absent any description about why it is going to do just that.
That combination is, again, not the rule of law that we understand in America.
Right.
Well, and then it makes the liberal justices sound like they're just whining and complaining all the time because
the,
you know, the right doesn't have to say anything at all.
Yeah.
Jim,
we have to leave it there.
They run out of things to
say.
Yeah.
And we've run out of time.
Jim Santel, thank you for joining us.
Always a pleasure.
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